
Yves Blondeel (yves.blondeel@fundp.ac.be) wrote:

> klopfens@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) wrote:

>> Where are the cablecos?  Is there a site that is updating them as 
they 
>> come online?

> There is a European site -- from a cable magazine; not an operator.

> Inside Cable Magazine (United Kingdom)
> http://scitsc.wlv.ac.uk/university/sles/sm/incable.html

> If you find other cable TV web servers, would you please post them 
to
> this group?

CableLabs is http://www.cablelabs.com/

Also there are mailing lists- telecomreg and cablereg. Info about 
these
and other telecom mailing lists is in:

http://www.ipps.lsa.umich.edu/telecom-docs/maillists.html


David Moon              moon@gdc.com
General Datacomm, Inc.  ATTMail:  !dmoon
Middlebury, CT 06762

------------------------------

From: mshimazu@aol.com (MSHIMAZU)
Subject: Re: Cable Industry WWW Sites?
Date: 19 Dec 1994 16:55:03 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


In article <telecom14.447.5@eecs.nwu.edu>, klopfens@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
(Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:

>> The telephone industry is already well represented with company WWW
>> sites.  The only cable television site I am aware of is Cable Labs.

Could you post that site in this group, please?

Many thanks,

Michael Shimazu

------------------------------

From: RANDY@MPA15AB.mv-oc.Unisys.COM
Date: 19 Dec 1994 02:27:00 GMT   
Subject: Re: DMS-100 vs 5ESS


> Here are some things I have found since I got cut to a DMS-100:

> 1. Any line that is not POTS can flash and get stutter dial tone; 
this
> parks the first connection and will ring you back if you hangup.

I really miss that since moving from GTE (GTD-5) to Pac Bell (5ESS).
It was a very handy way to "transfer" a call when I was on the phone
but needed to move to a different room.  When I had a roommate, it was
a nice way for either of us to "transfer" the call to the other, or to
the answering machine.


Randall Gellens      randy@mv-oc.unisys.com
(714) 380-6350       fax (714) 380-5912
Mail Stop MV 237     Net**2 656-6350

------------------------------

From: weigl@sargas.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Subject: Re: Telecom in Africa
Date: 19 Dec 1994 13:50:40 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)


In article <telecom14.451.2@eecs.nwu.edu>, Jennings 
<pp000539@interramp.
com> writes:

> Anyone doing telecom in Africa?  Where / what is the definitive
> authority on telecom matters in Africa? Could anyone give a specific
> reference? What I mean is where are the switches, what kind are
> they, how much microwave / satellite traffic is there. Is there any
> innovative approaches being taken ... fixed cellular (maby 150 MHz) 
for
> the last mile ... solar powered, helicopter dropped terminals ... 
would
> be very interested in discussing these with anyone else interested 
in
> these kinds of things in Africa or elsewhere.  

The first point of contact could here be the ITU, international
Telecommunication Union, Place des Nations, Geneva, Switzerland.


Konrad Weigl   INRIA B.P. 93
F-06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex
France

------------------------------

From: jlundgre@kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Telecom in Africa
Date: 20 Dec 1994 05:57:35 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


I've heard that the telephone system in Kenya is really old and in
poor shape.  Lots of noise on the lines that makes it difficult to use
a modem over there.  The Kenyans implemented a network using Fido, so
they kind of have internet.

One thing to remember is that the junk of yesteryear from the U.S.
often ends up in foreign countries as state of the art equipment,
compared to what they used to have.  So their telecom systems may not
be that bad, especially in bigger cities.


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs
Rancho Santiago Community College District
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706 
jlundgre@pop.rancho.cc.ca.us\jlundgr@eis.calstate.edu 

------------------------------

From: batsiaan@hacktic.nl (bas van der horst)
Subject: Re: New Phone Numbers
Date: 19 Dec 1994 23:27:40 GMT
Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses


diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel) writes:

> The German business magazine "Witschaftswoche" reports that the 
German
> secretary of Post and Telecommunications has to decide about a new
> telephone numbering plan. This is a prerequisite for the 
introduction
> of competition in the German telephone market (planed for 1/1/98).

In the Netherlands, a new numbering plan is announced for 10-10-1995.
Every phone number will consist of ten digits; area-codes will make up
three or four digits. This will mean that most people (especially
outside the largest cities) will get a new phone number. The reasons
are similar to these mentioned for Germany: PTT Telecom will make room
for competition + pan-European codes.

> CEPT has made several suggestions for an Europe-wide numbering plan
> (introducing "3" as the European country code). 

A European emergency code "112" is also mentioned.


Bas van der Horst
Diemen, The Netherlands
batsiaan@dds.nl

------------------------------

Subject: Re: MCI and the Future of the Internet
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:43:11 EST
From: mrs@tinac.com (Mike Schenk)
Organization: TINA Consortium, Red Bank, New Jersey


In <telecom14.435.7@eecs.nwu.edu> rapme@netcom.com (RAPME) writes:

> WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 1994 DEC 2 (NB) -- By Kennedy Maize.  

> I have seen the future of the Internet and its name is MCI.  The
> Washington-based long-distance carrier recently gave reporters a 
tour
> of its new Net offering, including the online shopping mall it plans
> to begin rolling out in January. As one MCI executive told 
Newsbytes,
> "We are going into cyberspace commercial real estate."

> For most of its brief, 25-year history, the Internet has been a
> government project. Access has been free, which is to say, 
subsidized
> by the taxpayers through Defense Department and National Science
> Foundation appropriations.

What a blatant lie this is! Maybe RAPME should do some more research
into the Internet. Yes, the Internet started with Arpanet and the US
backbone of the Internet has been a government project. But the
Internet is much bigger than the US backbone. Sometime ago the US
backbone indeed was the major foundation of the Internet but these
times are long gone.

In fact the Internet would not be what it is today if organizations in
the rest of the world would not have spent millions of dollars on
it.  Today, the Internet community wouldn't really care if the US
backbone collapsed except for the fact that we wouldn't be able to
send email to people in the US and wouldn't be able to access machines
in the US, but that's it.

The Internet is not a government project and has never been a
government project. Stating that it is, is a blatant lie and shows
that the person who is talking doesn't know anything about the
Internet.


Mike

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:02 EST
From: Proctor & Associates <0003991080@mcimail.com>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted With Phone Test Device


philmon@netcom.com (Greg Philmon) wrote:
 
> I've seen devices that allow you to bypass the local exchange and
> perform phone testing within your office.
 
> That is, they have two or more RJ11 jacks, each assigned a two or
> three digit phone number.  You can plug in a standard analog phone 
and
> call any other port.
 
> The device handles dial tone and ring generation, as well as busy
> signals, etc.  Some even allow you to adjust the line quality.
 
> What are these things called?  Where can I go to get more info and
> perhaps purchase one?  How much do they cost (ballpark)?
 
These are called Telephone Demonstrators, and Proctor & Associates
makes them.  We also make telephone test equipment, that test the
phones to telephone industry specs.
 
The demonstrators range in price from $260 to $685.  The least
expensive model is a two line device, and the highest priced model
simulates Caller ID, Centrex and custom calling features.
 
Contact Proctor at 206-881-7000 or 3991080@mcimail.com for more info.
 
 
Paul Cook                     206-881-7000
Proctor & Associates     MCI Mail 399-1080
15050 NE 36th St.        fax: 206-885-3282
Redmond, WA  98052-5378  3991080@mcimail.com

------------------------------

From: dave@westmark.com (Dave Levenson)
Subject: Re: Digital Cellular and Fraud Prevention
Organization: Westmark, Inc.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:24:45 GMT


Jason Hillyard (upsetter@mcl.ucsb.edu) writes:

> Now suppose someone managed to get hold of a very fresh MIN, ESN, 
SSD,
> and COUNT, and were capable of programming all of this into a phone.
> They may be able to clone a phone for a short time, depending on
> whether the original phone is used and whether the service provider 
is
> keeping track of COUNT.

How does this work for roamer service?  Does the current COUNT value
for every subscriber have to be known by every service provider in the
country all the time?  If I place two calls from Newark Airport, New
Jersey, then turn my pocket cellular set off, board an airliner, and
two hours later step off the plane in Chicago and place two more
calls, and then ...  how does the Chicago system know the correct
value for my COUNT and how does it communciate its own updates to that
value back to the home system?


Dave Levenson  Internet: dave@westmark.com
Westmark, Inc.  UUCP: uunet!westmark!dave
Stirling, NJ, USA Voice: 908 647 0900  Fax: 908 647 6857

------------------------------

End of TELECOM Digest V14 #458
******************************

                                                   



@FROM   :telecom@delta.eecs.nwu.edu                                   
(Continued from last message)
Subject: Re: Cable Industry WWW Sites?
Date: 19 Dec 1994 19:43:03 GMT
Organization: General DataComm, Inc.


Yves Blondeel (yves.blondeel@fundp.ac.be) wrote:

> klopfens@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) wrote:

>> Where are the cablecos?  Is there a site that is updating them as 
they 
>> come online?

> There is a European site -- from a cable magazine; not an operator.

> Inside Cable Magazine (United Kingdom)
> http://scitsc.wlv.ac.uk/university/sles/sm/incable.html

> If you find other cable TV web servers, would you please post them 
to
> this group?

CableLabs is http://www.cablelabs.com/

Also there are mailing lists- telecomreg and cablereg. Info about 
these
and other telecom mailing lists is in:

http://www.ipps.lsa.umich.edu/telecom-docs/maillists.html


David Moon              moon@gdc.com
General Datacomm, Inc.  ATTMail:  !dmoon
Middlebury, CT 06762

------------------------------

From: mshimazu@aol.com (MSHIMAZU)
Subject: Re: Cable Industry WWW Sites?
Date: 19 Dec 1994 16:55:03 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


In article <telecom14.447.5@eecs.nwu.edu>, klopfens@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
(Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:

>> The telephone industry is already well represented with company WWW
>> sites.  The only cable television site I am aware of is Cable Labs.

Could you post that site in this group, please?

Many thanks,

Michael Shimazu

------------------------------

From: RANDY@MPA15AB.mv-oc.Unisys.COM
Date: 19 Dec 1994 02:27:00 GMT   
Subject: Re: DMS-100 vs 5ESS


> Here are some things I have found since I got cut to a DMS-100:

> 1. Any line that is not POTS can flash and get stutter dial tone; 
this
> parks the first connection and will ring you back if you hangup.

I really miss that since moving from GTE (GTD-5) to Pac Bell (5ESS).
It was a very handy way to "transfer" a call when I was on the phone
but needed to move to a different room.  When I had a roommate, it was
a nice way for either of us to "transfer" the call to the other, or to
the answering machine.


Randall Gellens      randy@mv-oc.unisys.com
(714) 380-6350       fax (714) 380-5912
Mail Stop MV 237     Net**2 656-6350

------------------------------

From: weigl@sargas.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Subject: Re: Telecom in Africa
Date: 19 Dec 1994 13:50:40 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)


In article <telecom14.451.2@eecs.nwu.edu>, Jennings 
<pp000539@interramp.
com> writes:

> Anyone doing telecom in Africa?  Where / what is the definitive
> authority on telecom matters in Africa? Could anyone give a specific
> reference? What I mean is where are the switches, what kind are
> they, how much microwave / satellite traffic is there. Is there any
> innovative approaches being taken ... fixed cellular (maby 150 MHz) 
for
> the last mile ... solar powered, helicopter dropped terminals ... 
would
> be very interested in discussing these with anyone else interested 
in
> these kinds of things in Africa or elsewhere.  

The first point of contact could here be the ITU, international
Telecommunication Union, Place des Nations, Geneva, Switzerland.


Konrad Weigl   INRIA B.P. 93
F-06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex
France

------------------------------

From: jlundgre@kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Telecom in Africa
Date: 20 Dec 1994 05:57:35 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


I've heard that the telephone system in Kenya is really old and in
poor shape.  Lots of noise on the lines that makes it difficult to use
a modem over there.  The Kenyans implemented a network using Fido, so
they kind of have internet.

One thing to remember is that the junk of yesteryear from the U.S.
often ends up in foreign countries as state of the art equipment,
compared to what they used to have.  So their telecom systems may not
be that bad, especially in bigger cities.


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs
Rancho Santiago Community College District
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706 
jlundgre@pop.rancho.cc.ca.us\jlundgr@eis.calstate.edu 

------------------------------

From: batsiaan@hacktic.nl (bas van der horst)
Subject: Re: New Phone Numbers
Date: 19 Dec 1994 23:27:40 GMT
Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses


diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel) writes:

> The German business magazine "Witschaftswoche" reports that the 
German
> secretary of Post and Telecommunications has to decide about a new
> telephone numbering plan. This is a prerequisite for the 
introduction
> of competition in the German telephone market (planed for 1/1/98).

In the Netherlands, a new numbering plan is announced for 10-10-1995.
Every phone number will consist of ten digits; area-codes will make up
three or four digits. This will mean that most people (especially
outside the largest cities) will get a new phone number. The reasons
are similar to these mentioned for Germany: PTT Telecom will make room
for competition + pan-European codes.

> CEPT has made several suggestions for an Europe-wide numbering plan
> (introducing "3" as the European country code). 

A European emergency code "112" is also mentioned.


Bas van der Horst
Diemen, The Netherlands
batsiaan@dds.nl

------------------------------

Subject: Re: MCI and the Future of the Internet
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:43:11 EST
From: mrs@tinac.com (Mike Schenk)
Organization: TINA Consortium, Red Bank, New Jersey


In <telecom14.435.7@eecs.nwu.edu> rapme@netcom.com (RAPME) writes:

> WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 1994 DEC 2 (NB) -- By Kennedy Maize.  

> I have seen the future of the Internet and its name is MCI.  The
> Washington-based long-distance carrier recently gave reporters a 
tour
> of its new Net offering, including the online shopping mall it plans
> to begin rolling out in January. As one MCI executive told 
Newsbytes,
> "We are going into cyberspace commercial real estate."

> For most of its brief, 25-year history, the Internet has been a
> government project. Access has been free, which is to say, 
subsidized
> by the taxpayers through Defense Department and National Science
> Foundation appropriations.

What a blatant lie this is! Maybe RAPME should do some more research
into the Internet. Yes, the Internet started with Arpanet and the US
backbone of the Internet has been a government project. But the
Internet is much bigger than the US backbone. Sometime ago the US
backbone indeed was the major foundation of the Internet but these
times are long gone.

In fact the Internet would not be what it is today if organizations in
the rest of the world would not have spent millions of dollars on
it.  Today, the Internet community wouldn't really care if the US
backbone collapsed except for the fact that we wouldn't be able to
send email to people in the US and wouldn't be able to access machines
in the US, but that's it.

The Internet is not a government project and has never been a
government project. Stating that it is, is a blatant lie and shows
that the person who is talking doesn't know anything about the
Internet.


Mike

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:02 EST
From: Proctor & Associates <0003991080@mcimail.com>
Subject: Re: Help Wanted With Phone Test Device


philmon@netcom.com (Greg Philmon) wrote:
 
> I've seen devices that allow you to bypass the local exchange and
> perform phone testing within your office.
 
> That is, they have two or more RJ11 jacks, each assigned a two or
> three digit phone number.  You can plug in a standard analog phone 
and
> call any other port.
 
> The device handles dial tone and ring generation, as well as busy
> signals, etc.  Some even allow you to adjust the line quality.
 
> What are these things called?  Where can I go to get more info and
> perhaps purchase one?  How much do they cost (ballpark)?
 
These are called Telephone Demonstrators, and Proctor & Associates
makes them.  We also make telephone test equipment, that test the
phones to telephone industry specs.
 
The demonstrators range in price from $260 to $685.  The least
expensive model is a two line device, and the highest priced model
simulates Caller ID, Centrex and custom calling features.
 
Contact Proctor at 206-881-7000 or 3991080@mcimail.com for more info.
 
 
Paul Cook                     206-881-7000
Proctor & Associates     MCI Mail 399-1080
15050 NE 36th St.        fax: 206-885-3282
Redmond, WA  98052-5378  3991080@mcimail.com

------------------------------

From: dave@westmark.com (Dave Levenson)
Subject: Re: Digital Cellular and Fraud Prevention
Organization: Westmark, Inc.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:24:45 GMT


Jason Hillyard (upsetter@mcl.ucsb.edu) writes:

> Now suppose someone managed to get hold of a very fresh MIN, ESN, 
SSD,
> and COUNT, and were capable of programming all of this into a phone.
> They may be able to clone a phone for a short time, depending on
> whether the original phone is used and whether the service provider 
is
> keeping track of COUNT.

How does this work for roamer service?  Does the current COUNT value
for every subscriber have to be known by every service provider in the
country all the time?  If I place two calls from Newark Airport, New
Jersey, then turn my pocket cellular set off, board an airliner, and
two hours later step off the plane in Chicago and place two more
calls, and then ...  how does the Chicago system know the correct
value for my COUNT and how does it communciate its own updates to that
value back to the home system?


Dave Levenson  Internet: dave@westmark.com
Westmark, Inc.  UUCP: uunet!westmark!dave
Stirling, NJ, USA Voice: 908 647 0900  Fax: 908 647 6857

------------------------------

End of TELECOM Digest V14 #458
******************************

                                                   
