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Please kill that guy

 Gielda, Stephen steve@cotse.com
 210 Park Ave #308
 Worcester, MA 01609
 US
 1-309-405-4188

Serious offer
Extra payment if you cut his balls off and put his house on fire
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Please kill that guy

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Russell Miller <rmiller@duskglow.com> wrote in 
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> I did notice that every one came from the same server and had the same
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From: Henry@mymail.com (Henry)
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Subject: $$$ Make some money for Valentines Day $$$
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I found this in a news group and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through

news groups, just like you are now and came across a message just like this, that said you

could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00!!!

So I thought yeah right, this must be a scam!!! But like most of us, I was curious, so I kept

reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the

message. You then place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6 and post the

message in at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands). No catch, that was it.

So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I

figured, what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? So I invested the measly

$6.00!!! Guess what? Within 7
days I started getting money in the mail!!! I was shocked!!! I figured it would end soon, but

the money just kept coming in!!! In my first week, I had made about $25.00. By the end of the

second week, I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!! In the third week, I had over $10,000.00

and it is still growing!!! This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over

$42,000.00 and it is still coming in rapidly!!! It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps!!! I

have spent more than that on the Lottery!!!

Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works!!! Also, make sure you print

a copy of this message now. So you can get the information off of of it as you need it. I

promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money

than you thought possible by doing something so easy!!!

Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully!!! (Print it out or download it.) Follow the

simple directions and watch the money come in!!! It's easy!!! It's legal!!! Your investment is

only $6.00 (plus
postage).

IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off!!! It is not illegal!!! ? It is almost entirely risk free and

it really works!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive

extraordinary dividends!!!

Please note: Follow these directions EXACTLY, and $60,000.00 or more can be yours in 20 to 90

days!!! This program remains successful because of the honesty and the integrity of the

participants!!! Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.

You will now become part of the mail order business. In this business your product is not solid

or tangible, it is a service. You are in the business of developing mailing lists. Many large

corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from a

mailing list is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be

included on your mailing list!!!


Here are the 4 easy steps to success:

Step 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper.

PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST

Now get 6 U.S. dollar bills and place ONE inside each of the 6 pieces of paper so the bills

will not be seen through the envelopes (to prevent mail theft). Next, place one paper in each

of the 6 envelopes and seal them, you should now have 6 sealed envelopes. Each with a piece of

paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!!! YOU ARE REQUESTING A LEGITIMATE SERVICE AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR

IT!!!

Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspect of it

all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Postal Service and they confirmed that it is indeed

legal!!!



Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:




J.J. Maxey
355 N. Manila Ave.
Fresno, CA 93727
USA

Kyle Pate
P.o. Box 2046
Great Falls, MT 59403-2046
USA

G.H.L.
1600 N Thorntree Rd
Muncie, IN  47304-9710
USA

G. Skillen
32 Ebor Drive
Tates Avenue
Belfast, BT12 6NR
Northern Ireland


M. Motut
2377 Anora Dr.
Abbotsford, BC v2s 5p3
Canada


B.Jason
4610 Dorchester Road
Niagara Falls, Ontario
L2E 6N6
Canada



Step 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6

becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add your name as number 6 on the list.

Step 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this message as close to what you see as

possible. Now, post your amended message to at least 200 news groups. I think there are close

to 24,000 groups!!! All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make!!! This is perfectly legal!! If you have any doubts, refer to Title18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of

the postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and whenever you need money,

you can use it
again.  Please remember that this program remains successful because of the honesty and the

integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions!!!

Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so

many others have received will come your way!!!

Note: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on your computer or

hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This verifies that you are truly providing a

service. Also, it might be a good Idea to wrap the $1 bills in dark paper to reduce the risk of

mail theft.

So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be

reimbursed for their participation as a list developer with one dollar each. Your name will

move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position, you will be

receiving thousands of dollars in cash!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00!!! ($1.00 for each

of the first six people listed above).

Send it now, add your own name to the list and your in business!!!

DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO A NEWS GROUP!!!

Step 1: You do not need to re-type this entire message to do your own posting. Simply put your

cursor at the beginning of this message and drag your cursor to the bottom of this message and

select copy from the edit menu. This will copy the entire message into the computer memory.

Step 2: Open a blank note pad file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the

edit menu select paste. This will paste a copy of the message into notepad so that you can add

your name to the list.

Step 3: Save your new notepad file as a txt file. If you want to do your posting in a different

setting, you'll always have this file to go back to.

Step 4: Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various news groups (on-line

forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions, etc.)

Step 5: Visit these message boards and post this message as a new message by highlighting the

text of this message from your notepad and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the

subject, this will be
the header that everybody sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular

group. Click the post message button. You've done your first one! Congratulations!!! All You

have to do is jump to
different news groups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30

seconds for each news group!

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!!!! (But you have to post a minimum of 200).

That's it!!! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days!!! You may

eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you

wish to stay  anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.

JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT!!!

Now the why part. Out of 200 postings, say you receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So

then you made $5.00 with your name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who sent you

$1.00 make the minimum 200 postings, each with your name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to

each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for you. Now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM

posts with your name at #4 and only 5 replies each, you will bring in an additional $125.00!!!!

Now, those 125 persons
turn around and post the minimum 200 with your name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, you

will make an additional $625.00!!! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post

a minimum 200 messages with your name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just

made you $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 news groups, If

just 5 more reply you will receive $15,625.00!!! All with an original investment of only

$6.00!!! Amazing isn't it!!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest

posting in the news groups and send out another $6.00 to the names on the list, putting your

name at number 6 again.

You must realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and

reading these messages every day!!! Just like you are now!!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see

if it really works? I'm glad I did!!! People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no

one sends you the money?" So what!!! What are the chances of that happening, when there are

tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and news groups

everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every

day!!!

REMEMBER PLAY HONESTLY AND FAIRLY AND THIS WILL REALLY WORK!!!

--comments/feedback(please post your feedback/experiences here)---

Not bad for 1 hr's work....made me around $5320 in roughly 35 days - Anthony M Texas

Hello, I rcvd 269 bucks in the post in 2 weeks. Dan Miami, FL

I had to wait around 10 days before I had any results - $13,450 as of 3rd Jan 2003 to date(14th

Feb 2003).Am going to re-post it again for more money!! - Del from Alberta - Canada

Only received around $588 in the post the last 2 months since I started the program but I'd

posted to approx. 100 newsgroups - James P Manchester UK

cool....didn't expect much out of this "scam" initially but I have pay my credit card bill -

Mustafa , Jordan

I have received money from people all over the world...here in China it is very good money and

I buy new computer last month - Zhong Wen ...Guangxi CHina

For $6,I made $246 in 2 weeks --ROMEO2326 little rock,AR US of A

Hey, just dropping a line to say that after posting to well over 820 newsgroups on google and

my ISP newsgroup server over a period of 4 � months ,I've raked in $54280 . Mucho dinero

baby!!!! Peace, Drew Dallas TX








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Henry@mymail.com (Henry) wrote in message news:<769323812804@news.cogeco.ca>...
> I found this in a news group and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through
> 
> news groups, just like you are now and came across a message just like this, that said you
> 
> could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00!!!
> 
> So I thought yeah right, this must be a scam!!! But like most of us, I was curious, so I kept
> 
> reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the
> 
> message. You then place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6 and post the
> 
> message in at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands). No catch, that was it.
> 
> So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I
> 
> figured, what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? So I invested the measly
> 
> $6.00!!! Guess what? Within 7
> days I started getting money in the mail!!! I was shocked!!! I figured it would end soon, but
> 
> the money just kept coming in!!! In my first week, I had made about $25.00. By the end of the
> 
> second week, I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!! In the third week, I had over $10,000.00
> 
> and it is still growing!!! This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over
> 
> $42,000.00 and it is still coming in rapidly!!! It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps!!! I
> 
> have spent more than that on the Lottery!!!
> 
> Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works!!! Also, make sure you print
> 
> a copy of this message now. So you can get the information off of of it as you need it. I
> 
> promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money
> 
> than you thought possible by doing something so easy!!!
> 
> Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully!!! (Print it out or download it.) Follow the
> 
> simple directions and watch the money come in!!! It's easy!!! It's legal!!! Your investment is
> 
> only $6.00 (plus
> postage).
> 
> IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off!!! It is not illegal!!! ? It is almost entirely risk free and
> 
> it really works!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive
> 
> extraordinary dividends!!!
> 
> Please note: Follow these directions EXACTLY, and $60,000.00 or more can be yours in 20 to 90
> 
> days!!! This program remains successful because of the honesty and the integrity of the
> 
> participants!!! Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.
> 
> You will now become part of the mail order business. In this business your product is not solid
> 
> or tangible, it is a service. You are in the business of developing mailing lists. Many large
> 
> corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from a
> 
> mailing list is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be
> 
> included on your mailing list!!!
> 
> 
> Here are the 4 easy steps to success:
> 
> Step 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper.
> 
> PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST
> 
> Now get 6 U.S. dollar bills and place ONE inside each of the 6 pieces of paper so the bills
> 
> will not be seen through the envelopes (to prevent mail theft). Next, place one paper in each
> 
> of the 6 envelopes and seal them, you should now have 6 sealed envelopes. Each with a piece of
> 
> paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill.
> 
> THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!!! YOU ARE REQUESTING A LEGITIMATE SERVICE AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR
> 
> IT!!!
> 
> Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspect of it
> 
> all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Postal Service and they confirmed that it is indeed
> 
> legal!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> J.J. Maxey
> 355 N. Manila Ave.
> Fresno, CA 93727
> USA
> 
> Kyle Pate
> P.o. Box 2046
> Great Falls, MT 59403-2046
> USA
> 
> G.H.L.
> 1600 N Thorntree Rd
> Muncie, IN  47304-9710
> USA
> 
> G. Skillen
> 32 Ebor Drive
> Tates Avenue
> Belfast, BT12 6NR
> Northern Ireland
> 
> 
> M. Motut
> 2377 Anora Dr.
> Abbotsford, BC v2s 5p3
> Canada
> 
> 
> B.Jason
> 4610 Dorchester Road
> Niagara Falls, Ontario
> L2E 6N6
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
> Step 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6
> 
> becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add your name as number 6 on the list.
> 
> Step 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this message as close to what you see as
> 
> possible. Now, post your amended message to at least 200 news groups. I think there are close
> 
> to 24,000 groups!!! All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
> make!!! This is perfectly legal!! If you have any doubts, refer to Title18 sec. 1302 & 1341 of
> 
> the postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and whenever you need money,
> 
> you can use it
> again.  Please remember that this program remains successful because of the honesty and the
> 
> integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions!!!
> 
> Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so
> 
> many others have received will come your way!!!
> 
> Note: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on your computer or
> 
> hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This verifies that you are truly providing a
> 
> service. Also, it might be a good Idea to wrap the $1 bills in dark paper to reduce the risk of
> 
> mail theft.
> 
> So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be
> 
> reimbursed for their participation as a list developer with one dollar each. Your name will
> 
> move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position, you will be
> 
> receiving thousands of dollars in cash!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00!!! ($1.00 for each
> 
> of the first six people listed above).
> 
> Send it now, add your own name to the list and your in business!!!
> 
> DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO A NEWS GROUP!!!
> 
> Step 1: You do not need to re-type this entire message to do your own posting. Simply put your
> 
> cursor at the beginning of this message and drag your cursor to the bottom of this message and
> 
> select copy from the edit menu. This will copy the entire message into the computer memory.
> 
> Step 2: Open a blank note pad file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the
> 
> edit menu select paste. This will paste a copy of the message into notepad so that you can add
> 
> your name to the list.
> 
> Step 3: Save your new notepad file as a txt file. If you want to do your posting in a different
> 
> setting, you'll always have this file to go back to.
> 
> Step 4: Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various news groups (on-line
> 
> forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions, etc.)
> 
> Step 5: Visit these message boards and post this message as a new message by highlighting the
> 
> text of this message from your notepad and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the
> 
> subject, this will be
> the header that everybody sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular
> 
> group. Click the post message button. You've done your first one! Congratulations!!! All You
> 
> have to do is jump to
> different news groups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30
> 
> seconds for each news group!
> 
> REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
> MAKE!!!! (But you have to post a minimum of 200).
> 
> That's it!!! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days!!! You may
> 
> eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you
> 
> wish to stay  anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.
> 
> JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT!!!
> 
> Now the why part. Out of 200 postings, say you receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So
> 
> then you made $5.00 with your name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who sent you
> 
> $1.00 make the minimum 200 postings, each with your name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to
> 
> each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for you. Now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM
> 
> posts with your name at #4 and only 5 replies each, you will bring in an additional $125.00!!!!
> 
> Now, those 125 persons
> turn around and post the minimum 200 with your name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, you
> 
> will make an additional $625.00!!! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post
> 
> a minimum 200 messages with your name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just
> 
> made you $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 news groups, If
> 
> just 5 more reply you will receive $15,625.00!!! All with an original investment of only
> 
> $6.00!!! Amazing isn't it!!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
> 
> posting in the news groups and send out another $6.00 to the names on the list, putting your
> 
> name at number 6 again.
> 
> You must realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and
> 
> reading these messages every day!!! Just like you are now!!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see
> 
> if it really works? I'm glad I did!!! People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no
> 
> one sends you the money?" So what!!! What are the chances of that happening, when there are
> 
> tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and news groups
> 
> everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every
> 
> day!!!
> 
> REMEMBER PLAY HONESTLY AND FAIRLY AND THIS WILL REALLY WORK!!!
> 
> --comments/feedback(please post your feedback/experiences here)---
> 
> Not bad for 1 hr's work....made me around $5320 in roughly 35 days - Anthony M Texas
> 
> Hello, I rcvd 269 bucks in the post in 2 weeks. Dan Miami, FL
> 
> I had to wait around 10 days before I had any results - $13,450 as of 3rd Jan 2003 to date(14th
> 
> Feb 2003).Am going to re-post it again for more money!! - Del from Alberta - Canada
> 
> Only received around $588 in the post the last 2 months since I started the program but I'd
> 
> posted to approx. 100 newsgroups - James P Manchester UK
> 
> cool....didn't expect much out of this "scam" initially but I have pay my credit card bill -
> 
> Mustafa , Jordan
> 
> I have received money from people all over the world...here in China it is very good money and
> 
> I buy new computer last month - Zhong Wen ...Guangxi CHina
> 
> For $6,I made $246 in 2 weeks --ROMEO2326 little rock,AR US of A
> 
> Hey, just dropping a line to say that after posting to well over 820 newsgroups on google and
> 
> my ISP newsgroup server over a period of 4 � months ,I've raked in $54280 . Mucho dinero
> 
> baby!!!! Peace, Drew Dallas TX
> 
forward contracts
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --This Message Has Been Posted Using A Trial Version Of Message Poster 2003--
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Would you like to reach millions of customers for only the cost of bandwidth?
> You can post messages like this to thousands of newsgroups with a simple to
> use software application called Message Poster 2003.  For more details on
> this extremely affordable software, visit:
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HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE!
I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while
back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and
came across an article similar to this that said you could make
thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of
$6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this must be a scam,but like most of
us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send
$1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You
then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands)
No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few
people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to
lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly
$6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in
the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money
just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end
of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third
week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my
fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's
still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I
have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this
works and most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print
a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it
as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions
exactly, that you will start making more money than you thought
possible by doing something so easy!
Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out or
download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come
in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus
postage)
IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of
the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive
extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or
more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful
because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please
continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You
will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your
product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the
business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4
easy steps to success:
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper; PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. Now get 6 US $1.00
bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill
will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next,
place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should
now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the
above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are
doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most
of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal
aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office
(1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the
6 envelopes to the following addresses:
Mailing Adresses 
R. Overton 
P.O. Box 18818 
So. Lake Tahoe, CA 96151 
KEVIN LEE 
8377 APT. I MONTGOMERY RUN RD. 
ELLICOTT CITY MD 21043 
Stephanie Hicks 
1283 Evening Canyon 
Henderson NV 89014 
Ross Wilson 
202 Belmont Dr. 
Thibodaux, LA 70301 
Richard Horman
1731 Frost Ave.
Maplewood, MN 55109
Mike Hanggi
       1679 Ross lane
       ST Paul, MN 55110 

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list.
STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at
least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All
you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title
18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws.
Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money,
you can use it again, and again.
PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the
honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully
adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of
integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others
have received will come your way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you,
either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you.
This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might
be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of
mail theft.)
So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed,
six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List
Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list
geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will
be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for
only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send
it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!
---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ Step 1)
You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting.
Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your
cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit
menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will
paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name
to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to
go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste
from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that
everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a
particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your
first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to
different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it
will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within
days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large
amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you
can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.
**JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**
Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a
very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the
letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the
MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now
those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5
replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125
persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and
only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK,
now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that
just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this
message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons
per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original
investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the
list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out
another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you
realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the
internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!!
So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so...
People have said, "e;what if the plan is played out and no one sends
you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when
there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are
joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give
it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with
thousands of those joining the actual internet.
Remember: play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work.


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Subject: $$$ Make some real money $$$$
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This is so unbelievable see for yourself Do not bid, just copy this
letter, follow the instructions and away you go!!

DO NOT DISMISS THIS UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS AT LEAST ONCE!!
Get just 5 of your friends to do this and when they do the same you
will see your FREE earnings roll in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am about to
give you an opportunity that comes around once in a lifetime.

This program is BRAND NEW! Started on 24 of February 2004, ground,
ground, ground floor is where you are RIGHT NOW. Basically, I just
took something that has already shown huge success and removed the
only flaw.... okay...

I know it works and I spare you any attempt of persuasion for it will
forever remain unnecessary here. In fact if at any point you don't
want to try this...don't ...by all means don't!

No one will miss you... your absence will insure that it will go on
longer which means more money in the long run anyway. So follow the
steps...get the cash...or don't...NO CRITICS PLEASE...I don't even
have enough time to count the money I have already made let alone
listen to you critique anything...so ...now that that's clear.... if
your still in need of guaranteed cash in 24 hours all you got to lose
is a couple minutes of wasted time. But believe me.. Everyday for the
rest of your life... So you know the 5 to 20,000 dollar letter. The
one you see on every board around the net. Well here is something that
is going to have equal or greater success.... in less time...with no
investment...no complication and no confusion. This is completely free
to you so you'd be a fool to not at least give it a shot. Get an email
account.... I assume you already have one...

1. Go to http://www.webik.com/?rid=general69
2. Sign up for an account. Its totally free and they will fund you $1
instantly into your account just for signing up.

3. Take that $1 and use it as follows. Click on the send money tab.

4. Enter the email address in the number one position.

(1) andy@howard99.fsnet.co.uk
(2) paul_beattie@msn.com
(3) tddillard_sr@hotmail.com
(4) cfireflame@aol.com
(5) rockingrhoda@aol.com 
(6) simonharris121@aol.com



>> Send the $1 to the first name with an attached note or separate
email saying ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST.

>> Then send an email to the number six position saying THANKS,
I'VE JOINED. This section is important since this is what makes this
legal.

5. Copy/ paste this letter into a word processor.

6. Take the #1 name off

7. Move the email address in #2 and #3 UP ONE POSITON making them now
#1 and #2 and so on

8. Put your WEBIK email address in the #6 position.

9. Log on to GOOGLE or YAHOO and type in moneymaking message board or
business opportunity boards... Etc. Post the new copy of the letter
with your name in the 3 spot to at least 200 boards. You need 200 for
this thing to work.

10. When you have had 5 e-mails saying I've joined, sit back and
relax.

11. As the matrix progresses, 5 e-mails in position 6, 25 from 5, 125
from 4, 625 from 3, 3,125 from 2 you eventually have 15,625 people
sending you a dollar into your account from all over the world! It is
fantastic!!!!
DO THIS NOW AS IT COSTS YOU NOTHING!!!!!!!! EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST 5
FRIENDS TO JOIN AND MAKE A FORTUNE!!!!

http://www.webik.com/?rid=general69


WEBIK THE NEW PAYPAL!!


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13 Apr 2004 01:48:47 -0700 Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

> The questions about Iraq for the Bush administration is how many
> countries will it be broken into? Will it be just three countries of
> Kurds, and Shias and Suuni? Or will there be more than 3 smaller
> countries? And who will get the oil wealth?
>
> What Bush and Bremer and the Iraq Council should be figuring out is
> where to draw the new geography lines of 3 new countries of Kurds,
> Shias and Suuni.
>
> But imagine how simple, easy and neat and clean this whole entire
> episode would have been if the world had installed a M.A.D. Fleet
> around 1993. The Fleet would have been parked near Iraq and as soon as
> a single airplane of the fleet had been fired upon by Iraq would have
> caused a chain of events that was not up for debate. That a regime
> change would have been demanded by the M.A.D. Fleet and once SH was
> out then the UN is demanded to take over the transition of government.
> If the world had established a M.A.D. Fleet by 1993, it would have
> been mandatory under Clinton to have regime changed Iraq and once the
> fighting was over with and ended, the M.A.D. Fleet troops would have
> departed for the next world hotspot-- NorthKorea. And the messy
> aftermath of regime change falls solely on the UN.
>
> But even if the world had a M.A.D. Fleet by 1993 and used it and
> forced to regime change SH of Iraq by 1995, I doubt that the UN in its
> rebuilding of Iraq as a nation could have done any better than the US
> attempt from 2003-2004. I doubt the UN if in charge of Iraq nation
> building could have avoided a disintegration of Iraq into 3 or 4 or
> more tinier countries. I kind of think that Iraq is a country that can
> be held together as one only by a brutal dictatorship, otherwise it
> falls into such violence that it splits apart into many tinier
> countries.
>
> So, under Bush it really does not matter if the USA leaves tomorrow or
> June 30, 2004 or 2006 because Iraq is destined to split into several
> tinier countries.
>
> I often use the analogy that you cannot have a toddler learn to ride a
> 2 wheel bicycle without the toddler using those extra 2 training
> wheels first. That Iraq is not a place that can transition from its
> past history and its population mix into a democracy. Sort of like
> asking the Palestinians and Israelis to stop fighting and hating one
> another and live happily in one country under democracy which is like
> asking the Kurds, Shias and Suunis to stay one country.
>
> So, what Bush and Bremer et al should be figuring out now is how to
> divide Iraq into at least 3 smaller new countries so the USA soldiers
> can all go home and the Iraqis control their country once again.
>
> What Bush admin should be doing right now is to divide Iraq into 3 or
> more smaller countries and then have the Kurds guard their borders and
> the Shias theirs and the Suunis theirs.
>
> This is the most sensible action because that is what will happen when
> the USA leaves anyway.
>
> Archimedes Plutonium
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
> of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
> www.archimedesplutonium.com
> www.iw.net/~a_plutonium

When I search Google under the _author_ Archimedes Plutonium search this
post is displayed.

But when I search Google under just the name: Archimedes Plutonium this
post never appears. So I am wondering whether it is a mechanical problem
at Google or whether some person has found a means and method of making
posts disappear from Google searchengine.



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From: <thisisme@cotse.net>
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Subject: Re: How to reduce SPAM?
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
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Kevin Jones wrote:

> <thisisme@cotse.net> wrote in message
> 
news:dGhpc2lzbWU=.6a5b887aa89e1da250cdbfc4b61b9394@1083435714.nulluser.com.
..
> > 1x2willows wrote:
> >
> > > <thisisme@cotse.net> wrote
> > > > 1X2Willows wrote:
> > > > > <thisisme@cotse.net> wrote
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I have often wondered about those
> > > > > > god-like creatures, the ones who
> > > > > > have it in their power to cancel
> > > > > > posts. Who are they? Do they obey
> > > > > > any higher master? Or can they
> > > > > > just arbitrarily cancel posts
> > > > > > at will?
> > > > >
> > > > > Everybody on Usenet has it in their power to cancel posts.
> > > > > Everybody on Usenet can just arbitrarily cancel posts at will.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doing so will leave a digital record, though.
> > > > > - a record to see for Usenet Admins worldwide --- whoever they 
are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Depending on the 'right- or wrongfulness' of the "foreign 
cancel",
> > > > > those Admins will take action or not. That's how it works.
> > > >
> > > > I admit I don't know how to do a "foreign cancel".
> > > > Perhaps I will look into it sometime.
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.   ;)
> > >
> > > > But the main thing I'm curious about now is, how
> > > > do the "Admins" decide to take action (do they
> > > > use Robert's rules of order?
> > >
> > > I'd say "completely arbitrarily"; based on ego.
> >
> > Well, there has to be some procedure.
> > Even if the decision to act is
> > arbitrary, there has to be some
> > definite procedure by which the
> > action is carried out. Computers
> > arent psychic, you know.
> >
> > > > do they have a corporation with common shares?)
> > >
> > > prolly unlikely
> > >
> > > > and, what kinds of "action"s are they empowered to take.
> > >
> > > see to it, that the Internet account of the 'foreign cancelling'
> > > offender is being revoked; for example.
> >
> > If they can do that, it makes it that much
> > worse for them. They go around arbitrarily
> > "seeing to it" that some people's accounts
> > get cancelled, and others' do not.
>
> Umm! AFAIK, they don't usually cancel an account - that's down to 
individual
> ISPs for violation of TOS - *unless* it involves heavy Usenet abuse. In 
most
> cases admins - if they do a cancel at all (and they're rare) are more 
likely
> to cancel a particular post: mass spamming of multiple ngs is one likely
> cause.

They don't *usually* cancel an account
means they do sometimes cancel an account,
right? Imagine a murderer saying "I don't
*usually* kill people".

> See:
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cancel-faq/part1/
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cancel-faq/part2/
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cancel-faq/part3/
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cancel-faq/appendix/

Ah yes. Thank you. I shall study them
verrry carefully.

> > The problem, you see, is that if you control
> > a thing you are responsible for that thing.
> > Legally and otherwise.
>
> Actually no one controls Usenet in that sense. The servers are not owned 
by
> any one group or company.

I do not assert that anybody controls
Usenet "in that sense". But the
messages do not simply go "through Usenet".
The messages go through some group of
individual servers which *are* owned
and controlled by some person or
organization.

Sorry about all the emphasis in the last
paragraph. I hape it made things more
clear and not less.

> > > > I'm concerned about the following kinds of scenarios:
> > > >
> > > > 1. If the Admins have positive authority to cancel posts:
> > > >
> > > > If they fail to cancel a post that injures
> > > > Alice, how do they avoid being sued by Alice?
> > >
> > > beats me --- but I think they feel quite safe because they
> > > are virtually untouchable [punpun].
> > > Then again... the ones I know have gotten their job because
> > > their record is mostly impeccable. - even for 'druid' standards.
> >
> > They are not untouchable. Let's
> > say Google displays a Usenet post
> > on their website that injures Connie.
> > Connie can file a john doe lawsuit
> > and subpoena Google, asking them
> > to reveal their editorial policies
> > regarding usenet posts. If they don't
> > it's contempt of court (and could expose
> > them to direct liability). Connie could
> > start from there and find out the
> > editorial policies of all the servers
> > that Google has ever connected to.
> > And so on and so forth.
>
> Umm! To quote:
>
> Network  news articles resemble mail messages but are broad-
> cast to potentially-large audiences, using a flooding  algo-
> rithm  that  propagates one copy to each interested host (or
> groups thereof), typically stores only one  copy  per  host,
> and  does  not require any central administration or system-
> atic registration of interested users.

First off, I'd like to know what you're quoting.

> Consequently, Google have no editorial 
> policies - nor does anyone - above
> agreeing to accept articles from a
> particular ng. 

If they don't accept *all* of the articles from a
particular newsgroup then they *do* have an editorial
policy.

> The individual articles in
> that ng are the responsibility 
> of the poster, and not Google's. 
> Furthermore,
> such editing of Usenet posts would 
> itself constitute abuse, which would
> render Google liable for UDP or Usenet Death Penalty:
>
> "Originally, the UDP referred to auto-cancellation of all
> messages from a certain site as a final solution to too much abuse.  As
> Usenet terms tend to change over time, the meaning mutated into meaning
> to refer to the aliasing out 

I would be most grateful if you
could explain the term "aliasing out".

> of a certain site by many major sites, thus
> "shunning" them off of Usenet.  This latter method is now more commonly
> called a "passive UDP", and is widely accepted as being only the decision
> of the sites involved; the former has 
> been renamed to "active UDP", and is
> much more controversial."
>
> That said, the news admin is responsible for the day to day 
administration
> of the news area - but not for content. Cancelling posts based on 
content is
> *illegal* unless it fits into specifically understood abuse - at least
> that's the theory. So if Google had an editorial policy and chose which
> posts it would allow, it would be acting illegally and could be sued.

When you say "illegally" there, are you saying that 
they would be violating some federal or state law,
or would they be violating some signed contract?
Please specify.

I would also like to note that there is
probably a judgement call to be made in
terms of what is "specifically understood"
abuse and what is "content" that might be
controversial.

> In short, the whole system works exactly in the opposite way to your
> hypothesis.
>
> Actually you'd be better off addressing the whole topic to
> news.admin.net-abuse

OK

> > > > 2. If the "Admins" only take action against
> > > > those who (in the Admins' minds) abuse their
> > > > right to cancel posts:
> > > >
> > > > If they do take action against Alice who
> > > > (in their minds) is abusing her cancel
> > > > authority, and it turns out that Alice
> > > > was actually preventing Bob from being
> > > > injured by a post, then how do they
> > > > keep from being sued by Bob?
>
> Whether Alice was intending to 
> prevent harm is irrelevant - you're not
> allowed to cancel based on content, 
> because that is breaking the law. 

Huh? What law is Alice violating by 
cancelling posts that would harm Bob?
I think you must be referring to a
private agreement or contract, in
which case I can't imagine a judge
failing to declare such a contract 
null and void if it requires Alice
to stand by and watch Bob getting
injured (let's say they are married,
just to make this more interesting).

> The
> question is whether Alice was abusing her cancel authority - and since 
she
> is cancelling based on content, she is also in breach of the law, and can
> thus be sued or prosecuted, whichever is applicable. In addition, her
> cancels would be cancelled, and the cancelled posts resurrected. Bob 
would
> have to take legal action against the original poster - he is, as far as 
I
> am aware, unable to take action against the servers storing the post.

Your awareness is in need of expansion, then.

I am not a lawyer. I do not even see email sent to this address, due to 
past DOS attacks. If you wish to respond, do so through this newsgroup.




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Just letting everyone know about www.ProfilesByte.com, a brand new site to let you know what 'they' don't want you to know.
By going their, they offer you a program that will then give you access to what the Government has been keeping from you over these past four years.
Normally, this type of information would simply be on the website, but because of the upcoming election, we would have been shut down too quick.
By it being in the application that you run, it is legal and they can not do anything about it.
Please, do us all a favor and make your choice on who the new president should be. We simply want to make sure that you get the information you deserve.
Keep in mind, when visiting the site, you will be prompted for the program. It is free, and you are more then welcome to tell others about it.

Thank You,
ProfilesByte Staff.







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From: abuse@data-fortress.com (Wade Peacock)
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Data Fortress' Abuse Department would like it to been known that it
terminated services to DW Ventures on March 29, 2004.

Thank You,

Wade Peacock
Abuse Administrator
Data Fortress Technologies Ltd.
http://www.data-fortress.com
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AUP Info: http://www.data-fortress.com/aup/


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https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=SXZNWQ3QECGK2


Play by the rules, this doesn't cost anything but your time, and if
everyone plays fair, everyone WINS!!

FOLLOWING ARE SOME NOTES FROM THE PAYPAL SITE WHICH YOU MAY FIND
HELPFUL:

PayPal lets you pay anyone with an e-mail address and is the world's
No.1 online payment service - it's accepted on over 3 million eBay T
auctions and thousands and thousands of online shops. You can also use
PayPal to pay your friends - example; it's a convenient way to split
the phone bill with your roommate, send cash to your kids in
college,or send cash to someone in another country. Better yet, you
can also earn $5.00 while you do it. Each time someone signs up for an
account and completes the Refer-a-Friend requirements, we'll give you
a FIVE DOLLAR BONUS! When you send money through PayPal, you can fund
your payments with your credit card or checking account. You won't
have to worry about your privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting
information safe. Making a purchase with PayPal is more secure than
mailing a check or giving your credit card number to a stranger.
That's why over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to
move money. Signing up for a PayPal Account is easy. It takes only a
couple of minutes, and if you complete the bonus requirements PayPal
will automatically add $5.00 to your account balance.

To learn more about PayPal visit the web site at
https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=SXZNWQ3QECGK2


"Best of the Web" - Forbes "Using the service is actually safer than a
check or money order"- Wall Street Journal

"PayPal can play a major role in your life. You can use it to pay for
stuff at auction sites, settle dinner debts with friends or nudge your
cousin to repay that he borrowed at the family reunion. P.S. Does this
sound too good? Well maybe to some skeptics it is. But it actually
works, and is worth the few minutes of your time now. P.S.S. If You
Decide to Join in on this Venture, Please Return a blank email to the
third person on the list (No.3) with "Thanks, I've Joined" in the
subject line. This Helps everyone keep track of their progress. You
Will Not be added to any other Email Lists. P.S.S.S. The letter is not
written by PayPal, and it's creator is not an employee or contracted
by PayPal to send out this letter. This is a totally independent SPAM
FREE and LEGAL method of earning extra money.
***************************************************


Thank you & good luck in your ventures 


P.S.> If you need any help signing up for Paypal please let me know,
as I have used Paypal for at least 4 years now. I use their service
quite often for ebay auction purposes, just about everyday! There
great!! Havenat had any problems with them yet!! It's real easy to
sign up!! Email me if you are having trouble. Thanks and have fun!!

Sincerely, YOURS


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From: avstrak@aol.com (NO BS MONEY MAKER)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse
Subject: NEED EXTRA CASH?
Date: 24 Jun 2004 11:31:01 -0700
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If you want to make thousands of dollars with in 20 to 60 days you
should do this, it works seriously and it is legal, okay this is what
you have to do, STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper write the
following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST."
Now get 6 us 1dollar bills and place ONE inside EACH of the six pieces
of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent
thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal
them. MAKE SURE THERE ARE ENOUGH STAMPS ON YOUR ENVELOPES. You should
now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the
above phrase your name and address and a $1.00 bill. What you are
doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most
of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal
aspects of it all. So, I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office
(1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!!!!! Mail
the six envelopes to the following addresses. #1) Matt Snodgrass 2115
S.Osage Bartlesville,Ok.74003 #2) Mike Gordon 204 South Maple St.
Winchester,KY.40391 #3) Jeff Waldrop 39-A Lucy Rd. Laurel,MS.39443 #4)
Brian Thompson 15 Briggs Pond Wy. Sharon, MA 02067 #5) Ian McAnsh 615
Lake Medlock Drive Alpharetta, GA 30022 #6) Kart Espaldon 123 Ave. V
APT 1 Brooklyn, NY 11223 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list
that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4,
etc�) and add YOUR name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change
anything you need to but try to keep this article as original as
possible. Now post your amended article to at least 200 news groups. (
I think there are 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember,
the more you post , the more money you make!** EVERYBODY AROUND THE
WORLD CAN DO THIS BUT REMEMBER TO PUT ENOUGH STAMPS ON YOUR
ENVELOPES!!!!**DIRECTIONS: HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS STEP 1: You do
not need to retype this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply
put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor
to the bottom of this document, and select "copy" from the edit menu.
This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory. STEP 2:
Open a blank notepad file and place your cursor at the top of the
blank page. From the edit menu, select "paste." This will paste the
copy of the letter into notepad so you can add your name to the list.
STEP 3: Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings , you'll always have this file to
come back to. STEP 4: Use Netscape and Internet Explorer and try
searching for various news groups (on-line forums, message boards,
chat sites, discussions.) STEP 5: Visit these message boards and post
this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter
and selecting "paste" from the edit menu. Fill in the subject, this
will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list
of postings in a particular group, click the post message button.
You're done with the first one! CONGRATULATIONS,�THAT'S IT! All you
have to do is jump to different news groups and post away, after you
get the hang of it, it will take 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN (MESSAGE BOARDS ETC.) THE
MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200.
That's it!


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From: bphcorp@bullet-proofhosting.com.ni (BPHCORP)
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Subject: We Do NOT SUPPORT SPAMERS
Date: 24 Jun 2004 17:22:11 -0700
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BPH Corp does not in any way support illegal Spam. I would appreciate
it if before you put us on one of your lists that you take the time to
look at our site. www.bullet-proofhosting.com.ni

Please note that not one of our IP address has ever sent any type of
spam of any kind ever.

You should also consider that we have clients who host with us that
are local to our country . Why on earth would anyone want to hurt a
3rd world country business. Just because they host on one of our
servers.

from our site
Read my site . I cannot change what the
previous owners have done or posted. I can only move forward . Read
the
links provided
http://www.bullet-proofhosting.com.ni/rules.html
5 . NO bulk mailing or spaming off the server under any circumstances.
(POP3, SMTP, Sendmail, etc.)
http://www.bullet-proofhosting.com.ni/spam.html
You will note we also post your site in the link
http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=152

Also on the home page it is quit visible the Can Spam regulations.


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From: "cashgenerator" <omniman12@yahoo.com>
Subject: !!!! MAKE $$$$$$ ON THE INTERNET EASILY
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Getting Started!!

If you're not already a user of PayPal, the very first thing you need
to do is go to PayPal and sign up. It takes two minutes
and Pay Pal will deposit $5.00 in your account just for becoming a
member. That makes this program's total cost $0!!! Follow
this link to open your PayPal account:

<https://www.paypal.com>

Now log into your PayPal account, and send the PayPal account of the
person listed in Position 1 $5.00 PayPal will ask you to
select type. (Select "service" and put "$5.00 donation" for
subject.) When person in Position 1 receives notification of your
payment, you can simply copy this page and change the names in
position #1 & #2 & #3 as instructed. Remember, only the person
in Position 1 on the list gets your $5.00 donation. Send them a
donation then remove #1PayPal account from the list. Move the
other two accounts up & add your Paypal account to #3 position. After
you have retyped the names in the new order,
IMMEDIATELY send the revised message to as many people as possible.
PROMOTE! PROMOTE! The more you promote the Program, the
more you will receive in donations!! That's all there is to it.
When your name reaches Position 1 (usually in less than a week) it
will be your turn to receive the cash. $5.00 will be sent
to your PayPal account by people just like you who are willing to send
$5.00 donation and receive up to $20,000 in less than
two weeks. Because there are only (3) names on the list you can
anticipate 80% of your cash within two weeks.

Anytime you find yourself short on cash just take out your $5.00
donation program and send it to 50 prospects. Imagine if you
sent it to 100 or even more. Most people spend more than $5 on the
lottery every week with no real hope of ever winning.
THIS PROGRAM WORKS - JUST TRY IT

POSITION # 1 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: omniman12@yahoo.com
POSITION # 2 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: hsca101@hotmail.com
POSITION # 3 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: damncool4@emailaccount.com

Integrity and honesty make this plan work.
Participants who actively promote this program will average between $8000
and
$12000 and receive the donations within two weeks.
This is not a chain letter. You are simply making a donation of $5.00
to another person. The Program does not violate title
18 section 1302 of the Postal and lottery code.
Remember -TIME is of the essence. YOU can choose to live
Paycheck-to-Paycheck or live FREE from FINANCIAL BONDAGE. Become a
part of the donation program and help people help people.
This program is about helping each other!
Success is a journey - Not a destination!
Start Your Journey TODAY!!!!







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From: bphcorp@bullet-proofhosting.com.ni (BPHCORP)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse
Subject: http://spews.org/html/S3103.html/Nobilex
Date: 25 Jun 2004 10:32:40 -0700
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To whom it may concern . On Spew.org you have listed that the only way
to be listed is if you support , supply or send Spam. Bphcorp does not
support SPAM and you have also Listed Nobilex.com as well in your
registry. Nobilex does not support spam . It is an ISP located in
Nicaragua and hosting company for Nicaragua. If you claim is correct
then why have you posted Noblex.com on your list? Please remove ASAP.
Your actions also effect others . Please be diligent in your research
before hurting others.


Best Regards

BPHCORP on Behalf Of NOBILEX.com


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From: abuse@rackforce.com (Abuse@rackforce.com)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse
Subject: Help needed LARTing / screaming for something to be done.
Date: 28 Jun 2004 12:06:55 -0700
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I received a complaint about spamvertised child porn due to the fact
that one of our customers was hosting the billing for the site. I took
immediate action, and contacted (via email) the abuse admins for the
various systems involved.

I got upset with the amount of time it was taking to get something
done.

Now I'm asking for the admin community to help me do something about
this problem. It's totally unacceptable that nothing has been done.
I've phoned, I've screamed, I've made "assistants" look at the site...
nothing is being done.

Please LART / Phone the president of the companies involved both
spammer and provider. Call the FBI, call your congress person...
whatever it takes


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From: "Sovereign Sockpuppet�" <sovereign@sock.puppet>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse
Subject: Recommended domain hosting services
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:02:01 -0400
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a reputable domain hosting service?
Trying to find someone that isn't stuffed into block lists.

TIA




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From: Wm James <wrjames.remove@spamreaper.com>
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:02:01 -0400, "Sovereign Sockpuppet�"
<sovereign@sock.puppet> wrote:

>Does anyone have any recommendations for a reputable domain hosting service?
>Trying to find someone that isn't stuffed into block lists.
>
>TIA
>

Don't expect too many answers posted to usenet. It would only attract
spammers to attack the good providers anyone here mentions.  I suggest
tracert anything you consider and make sure it isn't downstream of
verio, above.net, savvis, or even uunet. Google the upstreams and see
if they have a record. Then chek the block lists.

Note that a lot of references in .sightings or here doesn't
necessarily mean they are spam friendly, just that they have had a lot
f spammers sign up. If they boot them all and address complaints
quickly, they may be very white hat but still have a lot of reference
to them as the spammer's host in the archives.  A high number in
sightings is usually a bad sign, but not necessarily always indicative
of a spamhost.

Good luck

William R.James



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"Sovereign Sockpuppet�" <sovereign@sock.puppet> wrote in
news:10e5atk59aiec4@news.supernews.com: 

> Does anyone have any recommendations for a reputable domain hosting
> service? Trying to find someone that isn't stuffed into block lists.

That would depend largely on your specific requirements. We do domain hosting 
at competitive prices here.

-- 
Tired of spam in your mailbox?
Come to http://www.spamblocked.com
 . . . 
Who is Brad Jesness? http://www.wilhelp.com/bj_faq/



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The Open Sourceror's Apprentice: 

> We do domain hosting at competitive prices here.

Just as long as you consent to accepting viruses in your emails on 
a daily basis!

Titjens (aka apprentice, aka morely dotes) is NANAE's chief 
scammer.


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From: "Sovereign Sockpuppet�" <sovereign@sock.puppet>
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Subject: Re: Recommended domain hosting services
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:38:49 -0400
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"Wm James" <wrjames.remove@spamreaper.com> wrote in message
news:cil5e0tqueuif83gkhkjsqh408bvqsatud@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:02:01 -0400, "Sovereign Sockpuppet�"
> <sovereign@sock.puppet> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any recommendations for a reputable domain hosting
service?
> >Trying to find someone that isn't stuffed into block lists.
> >
> >TIA
> >
>
> Don't expect too many answers posted to usenet. It would only attract
> spammers to attack the good providers anyone here mentions.  I suggest
> tracert anything you consider and make sure it isn't downstream of
> verio, above.net, savvis, or even uunet. Google the upstreams and see
> if they have a record. Then chek the block lists.

Excellent advice.  Thank you.

> Note that a lot of references in .sightings or here doesn't
> necessarily mean they are spam friendly, just that they have had a lot
> f spammers sign up. If they boot them all and address complaints
> quickly, they may be very white hat but still have a lot of reference
> to them as the spammer's host in the archives.  A high number in
> sightings is usually a bad sign, but not necessarily always indicative
> of a spamhost.

Yeah, I spent some time researching nan-as but considering that even the
white hat guys are going to have spammers sign it's pretty tough to use that
NG for a compass of a host's abusive (or lack thereof) proclivities.

> Good luck
>
> William R.James
>




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From: nanae@spam-trap.net (Lee Smallbone)
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"Sovereign Sockpuppet�" <sovereign@sock.puppet> wrote in message news:<10e5atk59aiec4@news.supernews.com>...
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a reputable domain hosting service?
> Trying to find someone that isn't stuffed into block lists.
> 
> TIA

We (tinw) use widge.net for our DNS. It's fast, secure, helpful
(requests are answered by humans) and very reasonably priced. I'm not
widge, btw.

Lee.
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www.spam-trap.net


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Just after my win2k machine boots...
I open a dosbox and do tracert -a

I notice that there is a connection established to
akamai.com

Any body know whats going on here?

  TCP    pegasus:1033           80.67.74.119:http      ESTABLISHED

...
...

 10    40 ms    50 ms    50 ms  eq-nap-sjc.netarch.akamai.com
[206.223.116.102]
 11    40 ms    50 ms    50 ms  80.67.74.119

Two boots in a row same thing...




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From: fmf_kawasaki85@yahoo.com (motoman)
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Subject: make $300,000 in 5 months seriously this is no joke!!
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if your the low class kind of people or just want more money, you
shoould do this. if you want to do this e-mail me at
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From: emailprabhjot@rediffmail.com (Prabhjot bawa)
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Please have a look at a unique way to boost your monthly income, 
that I stumbled across from a fellow, more experienced, eBayer.
Made �93 this week already, there's no stopping it now ! 
Unbelievable but TRUE 




After you've read this, think about it, and come back and read it
again.
Remember that 30% of readers are taking part. Then ask yourself - "Can
I afford not to give this a go?"
How to Turn �3 into �10,000 in 30 Days with PayPal!

" I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY
CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT."
Dear Friend,
My name is Prabhjot Bawa . I had no idea a week ago whether what I am
about to reveal to you was actually going to work, but I had read the
testimonies from others to say that it has, and for no other reason
than I believe that it may, I decided to do exactly what the gentleman
who sent me this did, and who knows...it may just work. ( Money has
started coming in now , �93 this week so far ! -- LOOKING GOOD ! )
What did it say in that email? What were those simple instructions
that made me feel like having a go??? Well, if you'll read on, all
will be revealed! (Sit down with a cup of tea, cos this does take some
reading, but I believe it is worth it!)
Kind Regards,
Prabhjot Bawa. 


"I turned �3 into �14,706 within the first 30 days of operating the
business plan that I am about to reveal to you free of charge. If you
decide to take action on the following instructions, I will personally
GUARANTEE that you will enjoy a similar return!"

Please do not be sceptical about this program. At least think about it
for a few days. Otherwise you will be throwing away over �10,000 in
cash!
THE OUTLINE

Let me assure you that this is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, a
perfectly legal moneymaking enterprise. It does not require you to
sell anything. It does not require you to speak to your friends,
family or anybody else (unless you want to). In fact, you do not need
to come into contact with any people what-so-ever. Anyone with a pulse
can become successful and make their fortune with this system.
If you believe that 'every dog has his day', then follow the simple
step-by-step plan exactly as it is set out below. If you do this and
this alone, I GUARANTEE that within the next 30 days you will receive
over �10,000 in cash via your PayPal account. I know that this must
sound like an outrageous claim, particularly if you've never had
possession of this sort of money before, but believe me, this business
works like nothing else you may have seen before in your life! By
following the simple 3-step
plan set out below, within a few short weeks your life will be
transformed beyond all recognition! Please do not allow your initial
scepticism to deprive you of certain financial success.

If you decide not to take advantage of this life-changing opportunity,
I would like you to know that I sincerely respect your decision and I
understand that you will have your reasons. I therefore wish you the
very best of luck for the future. I am able to say this with absolute
sincerity because, as you will see, if you decide to work this plan, I
will not receive any financial compensation from you whatsoever. After
all, I am sharing this system with you for free. However, remember
life is short. Your maximum risk is �3! There really is nothing at at
stake here.

Nobody has ever said that you can't have the financial freedom to do
what you want to do, when you want to do it. But you must first pay
the price. The price here is action; it's as simple as that!

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST, FASTEST & EASIEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE -
PERIOD!


Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single penny for this
lucrative business project. You will not be asked to buy anything or
sacrifice your free time. You will make some fast and easy cash, using
just a copy of this email and the simplest and most popular Internet
payment system in existence!
You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programs
such as 20/20 and Oprah Winfrey, or you may have read about it in the
Wall Street Journal. If not, here it is below - revealed to you in
step-by-step detail.

This program is by no means new. It has been in existence in many
forms for at least ten years. But in the early days, it required a lot
more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a few hundred pounds.
However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the outlay is now
virtually ZERO! On top of that, the entire process is FASTER, EASIER,
and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!

If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one
along with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earn
serious money online that you've ever seen so far in the history of
the Internet! This program works no matter what country you are in, or
what currency you use.

It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. And you certainly
won't need any special knowledge or talent. You won't need to run a
website, or make phone calls, or make photocopies, or send out letters
through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc. The only things you
will need are:

* An email address
* A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least �3 deposited in
it
* 30 minutes of your time

This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there is
absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you will
stand to gain many thousands of pounds within the next few weeks from
those 30 minutes of easy work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be
true! I thought exactly the same thing myself until I actually tried
it out!

Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, but
do yourself a big favour and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutely
NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of money
within the next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of
income you can generate from this one single business program!!

The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand pounds REALLY
FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST,
FASTEST, EASIEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate
in!

Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come
back to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can
certainly promise you that! If you don't have time to read all of this
now, then save this page, or add it to your Favourites list, so you
can come back to it later.

ALL YOU NEED IS A PAYPAL ACCOUNT & AN EMAIL ADDRESS!
Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will
soon!) and when I came across this concept I knew it would work
because, as a member of PayPal, I had already experienced their
efficiency and excellent standing. PayPal is the simplest method of
making and receiving payments online that anyone has ever seen! Anyone
with an email address can join for FREE! Once you have a PayPal
account, you can send and receive credit card payments to or from
anyone - anywhere in the world!
Please read further before you go there... You can complete this whole
process within just half
an hour and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!!
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TESTIMONIALS

NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless
individuals who decided to invest nothing more than �3 and half an
hour of their time to participate in this program:



" What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago,
and although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to �6,135.
I'm absolutely gob smacked." Alan Humphries , Leicester

"This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40
e-mail's out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole
thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come of it.
But when I checked my paypal account a week later, there was over
�3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have over �11,000 to spend! I can't
thank you enough!" Lisa McDonald, Northampton

" I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal
account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to �7,449. At
first I thought there had been some sort of error with my account!"
Richard Barrie, Cirencester


Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing
as you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they
decided to follow the simple instructions given below, they are now
considerably better off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever
why you can't share in this success. You've got nothing to lose, and
EVERYTHING to gain! Let's get started, just follow the instructions
exactly as set out below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx
of cash over the next 30 days!
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HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . .
STEP 1

Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you need
to do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just two
minutes!
Here's the URL:

 https://www.paypal.com/uk/mrb/pal=327YU8HCECWMA


Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free PREMIER or
BUSINESS account. You'll need to have a PREMIER or BUSINESS account
(and not a PERSONAL account) otherwise you won't be able to receive
credit card payments from other people.

STEP 2
It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in
order to
receive. So the first thing to do when you have your Premier/Business
PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a �3 payment from your PayPal
account to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a
note saying: " Please add me to your mailing list." Be certain to add
this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL. Instructions on
how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at the Paypal Site. It's
so Easy!!
When you send your �3 payment to the first address in the list, do it
with a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you
reap!"

Here's the current list:
******************************************
( 1  emailprabhjot@rediffmail.com
( 2 ) ebay_auctions_the_works@yahoo.co.uk

( 3 ) yewtree26@hotmail.com

( 4 ) stellaandmartin@yahoo.co.uk
( 5 ) vmax1200k@yahoo.co.uk

******************************************
After you have transferred a �3 payment to the email address at the
top of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an
indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction
in the system. You've just proved to yourself that, because you have
done it, there must be a great number of other people ready to do
exactly the same. Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand,
that this business actually works!

STEP 3
Once you've sent a �3 payment to the address at the top of the list
(along with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing you
need to do is to obtain a copy of this email message, as you'll be
sending it out to at least 40 people. The copy that you will send out
will contain YOUR unique PayPal referral URL and YOUR email address at
number 5 in the list - having deleted the address at Number 1 in the
list, and moving the others up a position. The easiest way to do this
is to:

(A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and select EDIT
and then SELECT ALL.
(B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY.
(C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can
view it!).
(D) Fill in your email address and subject line.
(E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new email
message. Now you can edit this email message in any way you want!

The first thing to edit are the email addresses in the list above.
Delete
the top email address, and then move the others up a position, and
then add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list (the number 5
position). Be sure to use your email address that is associated with
your PayPal account.
But DO NOT forget to send �3 via PayPal (along with your note!) to the
email address at position number 1 before deleting it!
Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in order to earn money
fast!

It doesn't work like that! If you do that, you will ONLY reach the
people
you directly send emails to, and then your name will be immediately
removed from the No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people!
But, if you add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be
literally thousands of people receiving and sending emails later -
when your name is at the Number 1 spot!!!

Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in Step 1)
with your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referring URL at
Paypal after you join. Just look at the bottom of the first page once
you sign into Paypal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be
given a referring URL similar to the one above, except the code number
at the end will be different. Simply delete the current PayPal
referral URL in Step 1 above, and replace it with your PayPal referral
URL.

(F) Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out
a minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, or
to
people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers.
By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is
EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's
why it takes only a few days for those �3 payments to start flooding
into your PayPal account!

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about 30
minutes to complete. BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE
DISAPPOINTED!!! Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no
capital outlay, no postage stamps, no printing, copying or waiting,
and the concept is 100% legal.
Within 30 days, over �10,000 cash will pass through your PayPal
account. And that's GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a
substantial number of �3 payments within the first few days! Keep a
copy of your email safe so that you can use it again whenever you need
more cash!
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HERE'S HOW IT WORKS:

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be at
Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at this
stage if you want to make serious money. The response-rate for this
program is much higher than any typical email marketing campaign for a
number of reasons, which are explained later. As long as you send your
emails to people who are likely to be interested in this program, on
average, you can expect a response from about 25% of the people you
send to. But let's be extremely conservative here and assume that you
receive an average response rate of only 12.5%. . .

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at
least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5).
By this time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in the
list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40).

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to
participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails (25
x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in
the list.
Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to
participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails
(125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the No.2 position.
Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to
respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)
being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot!
Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them
to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at
NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive: �9,375 (3,125 x �3).
So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the next
few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the course
of 30 days, this money will be sent to you by a few thousand people
just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hour to receive
around �10,000 or more in cash! The first payments will arrive within
a few days, and they will continue at the rate of about 100 payments
per day for about 30 days. After that time, the volume of payments
begins to taper off as your email address vacates the Number 1
position.

That's all you need to do! There will be around �10,000 in �3 payments
waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks.
�10,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you can
spend on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank account
or spend it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just that
easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?

But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a
result of using YOUR unique referral URL, you will automatically
receive a referral bonus of up to �75 from PayPal! So, you could very
easily make an extra few hundred pounds on top of the amount above!
Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40
people you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except delete
your email.

However, if you follow the plan correctly and send your emails only to
people who are likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical
response-rate of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a
worst-case-scenario. Additionally, the example assumes that each
participant will only send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if
each participant sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me,
many people will do this and much more!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day,
all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on the
Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email can
provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send
to. You can also send out emails to all of your family, friends, and
to anyone who you think would want to invest �3 and 30 minutes of
their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month. If you want
to operate this business continuously, you should consider obtaining
bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable mailing list company.
That's how I've managed to stay in business for the last 2 years. If
you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would be the
most profitable way to make use of it. There are many websites that
sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addresses of people who have
subscribed to receive exactly this type of program. For example, check
out the following two sites...the possibilities are endless, and it's
so easy!

 

 

Unlike many other MLM programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only
�3. That's right, only �3 ONCE, which is much more realistic and
provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on the list
gets your �3 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1
position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No cheating can
occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can be cheated) as
Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it is so easy, the
response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet email FAST, and
you will start seeing dramatic results in less than one week! JUST IN
TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS!

You need only mail out 40 copies to start with. Start right away, and
send to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programs
to you, as they are already working on the web. They know these
programs work and they are already believers in the system! This is
NOT considered SPAM if you are responding to other people's offers, or
sending to friends, family and contacts, or if you are using a
legitimate opt-in list.
So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge
influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!

4 FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL. . .
* EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE
* EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE
* UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL
* QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT
POTENTIAL,
this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from just a simple
email and one simple �3 PayPal transaction! In fact, this program has
faster results, and a higher response rate, than any other Internet
program you could possibly participate in! For most email marketing
campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5% and 5%. However,
this particular program typically generates a response rate of between
20% and 30%. This is because this program is so easy to implement, it
costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes to implement, and the
results can be seen within days.
I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is
about as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no
printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This
program really keeps it "short and simple"!
Believe me, you will be rewarded long before those thousands of people
even begin to receive emails with your email address at the Number 1
position!
This is because PayPal will automatically pay you up to �75 for each
referral. Yes, every time someone signs up with PayPal after reading
one of your emails, you will receive up to �75 from PayPal!

UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL!
This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each to
start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many
emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEAST
�10,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever,
GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT!

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the
list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the
other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to
be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will come
to you!

You are probably sceptical of this, especially with all the different
programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will
never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do right now. I
wanted to believe but I just couldn't help thinking that there was
some sort of catch.
But then I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. After all,
I was only being asked to invest a measly �3, and yet I could earn
many thousands of pounds within a month. And all for just half an hour
of my time!

Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This
took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!

To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for a
free PayPal Premier (or Business) account.
But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything but
�3 and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair,
everyone WINS!!

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to
make over �10,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can
hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.
However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within a few
days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You
certainly won't regret it.

SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL
PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's
Number 1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3 million
eBay auctions as well as a countless number of online shops. You can
also use PayPal to pay your friends - for example, it's a convenient
way to split the phone bill with your room-mate, send cash to your
kids in college, or send cash to someone in another country. Better
yet, you can also earn a referral bonus of up to �75 each time someone
signs up for a PayPal account using your referral URL!

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with
your credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about your
privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe and
secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing
a cheque or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why
over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money.
Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only a
couple of minutes.

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures
Best Regards
Prabhjot Bawa.

P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some sceptics it is. But
it actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. So,
just make a nice cup of tea and get started on it now. After all, you
can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks than many
people earn in a year!


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Please have a look at a unique way to boost your monthly income, 
that I stumbled across from a fellow, more experienced, eBayer.
Made �93 this week already, there's no stopping it now ! 
Unbelievable but TRUE 




After you've read this, think about it, and come back and read it
again.
Remember that 30% of readers are taking part. Then ask yourself - "Can
I afford not to give this a go?"
How to Turn �3 into �10,000 in 30 Days with PayPal!

" I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY
CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT."
Dear Friend,
My name is Prabhjot Bawa . I had no idea a week ago whether what I am
about to reveal to you was actually going to work, but I had read the
testimonies from others to say that it has, and for no other reason
than I believe that it may, I decided to do exactly what the gentleman
who sent me this did, and who knows...it may just work. ( Money has
started coming in now , �93 this week so far ! -- LOOKING GOOD ! )
What did it say in that email? What were those simple instructions
that made me feel like having a go??? Well, if you'll read on, all
will be revealed! (Sit down with a cup of tea, cos this does take some
reading, but I believe it is worth it!)
Kind Regards,
Prabhjot Bawa. 


"I turned �3 into �14,706 within the first 30 days of operating the
business plan that I am about to reveal to you free of charge. If you
decide to take action on the following instructions, I will personally
GUARANTEE that you will enjoy a similar return!"

Please do not be sceptical about this program. At least think about it
for a few days. Otherwise you will be throwing away over �10,000 in
cash!
THE OUTLINE

Let me assure you that this is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, a
perfectly legal moneymaking enterprise. It does not require you to
sell anything. It does not require you to speak to your friends,
family or anybody else (unless you want to). In fact, you do not need
to come into contact with any people what-so-ever. Anyone with a pulse
can become successful and make their fortune with this system.
If you believe that 'every dog has his day', then follow the simple
step-by-step plan exactly as it is set out below. If you do this and
this alone, I GUARANTEE that within the next 30 days you will receive
over �10,000 in cash via your PayPal account. I know that this must
sound like an outrageous claim, particularly if you've never had
possession of this sort of money before, but believe me, this business
works like nothing else you may have seen before in your life! By
following the simple 3-step
plan set out below, within a few short weeks your life will be
transformed beyond all recognition! Please do not allow your initial
scepticism to deprive you of certain financial success.

If you decide not to take advantage of this life-changing opportunity,
I would like you to know that I sincerely respect your decision and I
understand that you will have your reasons. I therefore wish you the
very best of luck for the future. I am able to say this with absolute
sincerity because, as you will see, if you decide to work this plan, I
will not receive any financial compensation from you whatsoever. After
all, I am sharing this system with you for free. However, remember
life is short. Your maximum risk is �3! There really is nothing at at
stake here.

Nobody has ever said that you can't have the financial freedom to do
what you want to do, when you want to do it. But you must first pay
the price. The price here is action; it's as simple as that!

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST, FASTEST & EASIEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE -
PERIOD!


Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single penny for this
lucrative business project. You will not be asked to buy anything or
sacrifice your free time. You will make some fast and easy cash, using
just a copy of this email and the simplest and most popular Internet
payment system in existence!
You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programs
such as 20/20 and Oprah Winfrey, or you may have read about it in the
Wall Street Journal. If not, here it is below - revealed to you in
step-by-step detail.

This program is by no means new. It has been in existence in many
forms for at least ten years. But in the early days, it required a lot
more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a few hundred pounds.
However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the outlay is now
virtually ZERO! On top of that, the entire process is FASTER, EASIER,
and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!

If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one
along with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earn
serious money online that you've ever seen so far in the history of
the Internet! This program works no matter what country you are in, or
what currency you use.

It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. And you certainly
won't need any special knowledge or talent. You won't need to run a
website, or make phone calls, or make photocopies, or send out letters
through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc. The only things you
will need are:

* An email address
* A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least �3 deposited in
it
* 30 minutes of your time

This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there is
absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you will
stand to gain many thousands of pounds within the next few weeks from
those 30 minutes of easy work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be
true! I thought exactly the same thing myself until I actually tried
it out!

Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, but
do yourself a big favour and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutely
NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of money
within the next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of
income you can generate from this one single business program!!

The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand pounds REALLY
FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST,
FASTEST, EASIEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate
in!

Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come
back to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can
certainly promise you that! If you don't have time to read all of this
now, then save this page, or add it to your Favourites list, so you
can come back to it later.

ALL YOU NEED IS A PAYPAL ACCOUNT & AN EMAIL ADDRESS!
Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will
soon!) and when I came across this concept I knew it would work
because, as a member of PayPal, I had already experienced their
efficiency and excellent standing. PayPal is the simplest method of
making and receiving payments online that anyone has ever seen! Anyone
with an email address can join for FREE! Once you have a PayPal
account, you can send and receive credit card payments to or from
anyone - anywhere in the world!
Please read further before you go there... You can complete this whole
process within just half
an hour and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!!
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TESTIMONIALS

NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless
individuals who decided to invest nothing more than �3 and half an
hour of their time to participate in this program:



" What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago,
and although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to �6,135.
I'm absolutely gob smacked." Alan Humphries , Leicester

"This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40
e-mail's out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole
thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come of it.
But when I checked my paypal account a week later, there was over
�3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have over �11,000 to spend! I can't
thank you enough!" Lisa McDonald, Northampton

" I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal
account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to �7,449. At
first I thought there had been some sort of error with my account!"
Richard Barrie, Cirencester


Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing
as you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they
decided to follow the simple instructions given below, they are now
considerably better off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever
why you can't share in this success. You've got nothing to lose, and
EVERYTHING to gain! Let's get started, just follow the instructions
exactly as set out below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx
of cash over the next 30 days!
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HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . .
STEP 1

Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you need
to do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just two
minutes!
Here's the URL:

 https://www.paypal.com/uk/mrb/pal=327YU8HCECWMA


Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free PREMIER or
BUSINESS account. You'll need to have a PREMIER or BUSINESS account
(and not a PERSONAL account) otherwise you won't be able to receive
credit card payments from other people.

STEP 2
It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in
order to
receive. So the first thing to do when you have your Premier/Business
PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a �3 payment from your PayPal
account to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a
note saying: " Please add me to your mailing list." Be certain to add
this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL. Instructions on
how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at the Paypal Site. It's
so Easy!!
When you send your �3 payment to the first address in the list, do it
with a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you
reap!"

Here's the current list:
******************************************
( 1  emailprabhjot@rediffmail.com
( 2 ) ebay_auctions_the_works@yahoo.co.uk

( 3 ) yewtree26@hotmail.com

( 4 ) stellaandmartin@yahoo.co.uk
( 5 ) vmax1200k@yahoo.co.uk

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After you have transferred a �3 payment to the email address at the
top of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an
indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction
in the system. You've just proved to yourself that, because you have
done it, there must be a great number of other people ready to do
exactly the same. Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand,
that this business actually works!

STEP 3
Once you've sent a �3 payment to the address at the top of the list
(along with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing you
need to do is to obtain a copy of this email message, as you'll be
sending it out to at least 40 people. The copy that you will send out
will contain YOUR unique PayPal referral URL and YOUR email address at
number 5 in the list - having deleted the address at Number 1 in the
list, and moving the others up a position. The easiest way to do this
is to:

(A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and select EDIT
and then SELECT ALL.
(B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY.
(C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can
view it!).
(D) Fill in your email address and subject line.
(E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new email
message. Now you can edit this email message in any way you want!

The first thing to edit are the email addresses in the list above.
Delete
the top email address, and then move the others up a position, and
then add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list (the number 5
position). Be sure to use your email address that is associated with
your PayPal account.
But DO NOT forget to send �3 via PayPal (along with your note!) to the
email address at position number 1 before deleting it!
Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in order to earn money
fast!

It doesn't work like that! If you do that, you will ONLY reach the
people
you directly send emails to, and then your name will be immediately
removed from the No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people!
But, if you add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be
literally thousands of people receiving and sending emails later -
when your name is at the Number 1 spot!!!

Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in Step 1)
with your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referring URL at
Paypal after you join. Just look at the bottom of the first page once
you sign into Paypal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be
given a referring URL similar to the one above, except the code number
at the end will be different. Simply delete the current PayPal
referral URL in Step 1 above, and replace it with your PayPal referral
URL.

(F) Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out
a minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, or
to
people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers.
By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is
EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's
why it takes only a few days for those �3 payments to start flooding
into your PayPal account!

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about 30
minutes to complete. BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE
DISAPPOINTED!!! Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no
capital outlay, no postage stamps, no printing, copying or waiting,
and the concept is 100% legal.
Within 30 days, over �10,000 cash will pass through your PayPal
account. And that's GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a
substantial number of �3 payments within the first few days! Keep a
copy of your email safe so that you can use it again whenever you need
more cash!
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HERE'S HOW IT WORKS:

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be at
Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at this
stage if you want to make serious money. The response-rate for this
program is much higher than any typical email marketing campaign for a
number of reasons, which are explained later. As long as you send your
emails to people who are likely to be interested in this program, on
average, you can expect a response from about 25% of the people you
send to. But let's be extremely conservative here and assume that you
receive an average response rate of only 12.5%. . .

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at
least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5).
By this time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in the
list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40).

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to
participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails (25
x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in
the list.
Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to
participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails
(125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the No.2 position.
Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to
respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)
being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot!
Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them
to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at
NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive: �9,375 (3,125 x �3).
So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the next
few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the course
of 30 days, this money will be sent to you by a few thousand people
just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hour to receive
around �10,000 or more in cash! The first payments will arrive within
a few days, and they will continue at the rate of about 100 payments
per day for about 30 days. After that time, the volume of payments
begins to taper off as your email address vacates the Number 1
position.

That's all you need to do! There will be around �10,000 in �3 payments
waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks.
�10,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you can
spend on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank account
or spend it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just that
easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?

But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a
result of using YOUR unique referral URL, you will automatically
receive a referral bonus of up to �75 from PayPal! So, you could very
easily make an extra few hundred pounds on top of the amount above!
Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40
people you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except delete
your email.

However, if you follow the plan correctly and send your emails only to
people who are likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical
response-rate of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a
worst-case-scenario. Additionally, the example assumes that each
participant will only send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if
each participant sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me,
many people will do this and much more!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day,
all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on the
Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email can
provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send
to. You can also send out emails to all of your family, friends, and
to anyone who you think would want to invest �3 and 30 minutes of
their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month. If you want
to operate this business continuously, you should consider obtaining
bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable mailing list company.
That's how I've managed to stay in business for the last 2 years. If
you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would be the
most profitable way to make use of it. There are many websites that
sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addresses of people who have
subscribed to receive exactly this type of program. For example, check
out the following two sites...the possibilities are endless, and it's
so easy!

 

 

Unlike many other MLM programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only
�3. That's right, only �3 ONCE, which is much more realistic and
provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on the list
gets your �3 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1
position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No cheating can
occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can be cheated) as
Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it is so easy, the
response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet email FAST, and
you will start seeing dramatic results in less than one week! JUST IN
TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS!

You need only mail out 40 copies to start with. Start right away, and
send to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programs
to you, as they are already working on the web. They know these
programs work and they are already believers in the system! This is
NOT considered SPAM if you are responding to other people's offers, or
sending to friends, family and contacts, or if you are using a
legitimate opt-in list.
So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge
influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!

4 FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL. . .
* EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE
* EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE
* UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL
* QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT
POTENTIAL,
this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from just a simple
email and one simple �3 PayPal transaction! In fact, this program has
faster results, and a higher response rate, than any other Internet
program you could possibly participate in! For most email marketing
campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5% and 5%. However,
this particular program typically generates a response rate of between
20% and 30%. This is because this program is so easy to implement, it
costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes to implement, and the
results can be seen within days.
I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is
about as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no
printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This
program really keeps it "short and simple"!
Believe me, you will be rewarded long before those thousands of people
even begin to receive emails with your email address at the Number 1
position!
This is because PayPal will automatically pay you up to �75 for each
referral. Yes, every time someone signs up with PayPal after reading
one of your emails, you will receive up to �75 from PayPal!

UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL!
This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each to
start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many
emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEAST
�10,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever,
GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT!

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the
list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the
other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to
be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will come
to you!

You are probably sceptical of this, especially with all the different
programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will
never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do right now. I
wanted to believe but I just couldn't help thinking that there was
some sort of catch.
But then I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. After all,
I was only being asked to invest a measly �3, and yet I could earn
many thousands of pounds within a month. And all for just half an hour
of my time!

Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This
took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!

To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for a
free PayPal Premier (or Business) account.
But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything but
�3 and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair,
everyone WINS!!

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to
make over �10,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can
hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.
However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within a few
days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You
certainly won't regret it.

SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL
PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's
Number 1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3 million
eBay auctions as well as a countless number of online shops. You can
also use PayPal to pay your friends - for example, it's a convenient
way to split the phone bill with your room-mate, send cash to your
kids in college, or send cash to someone in another country. Better
yet, you can also earn a referral bonus of up to �75 each time someone
signs up for a PayPal account using your referral URL!

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with
your credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about your
privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe and
secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing
a cheque or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why
over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money.
Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only a
couple of minutes.

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures
Best Regards
Prabhjot Bawa.

P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some sceptics it is. But
it actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. So,
just make a nice cup of tea and get started on it now. After all, you
can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks than many
people earn in a year!


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Please have a look at a unique way to boost your monthly income, 
that I stumbled across from a fellow, more experienced, eBayer.
Made �93 this week already, there's no stopping it now ! 
Unbelievable but TRUE 




After you've read this, think about it, and come back and read it
again.
Remember that 30% of readers are taking part. Then ask yourself - "Can
I afford not to give this a go?"
How to Turn �3 into �10,000 in 30 Days with PayPal!

" I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY
CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT."
Dear Friend,
My name is Prabhjot Bawa . I had no idea a week ago whether what I am
about to reveal to you was actually going to work, but I had read the
testimonies from others to say that it has, and for no other reason
than I believe that it may, I decided to do exactly what the gentleman
who sent me this did, and who knows...it may just work. ( Money has
started coming in now , �93 this week so far ! -- LOOKING GOOD ! )
What did it say in that email? What were those simple instructions
that made me feel like having a go??? Well, if you'll read on, all
will be revealed! (Sit down with a cup of tea, cos this does take some
reading, but I believe it is worth it!)
Kind Regards,
Prabhjot Bawa. 


"I turned �3 into �14,706 within the first 30 days of operating the
business plan that I am about to reveal to you free of charge. If you
decide to take action on the following instructions, I will personally
GUARANTEE that you will enjoy a similar return!"

Please do not be sceptical about this program. At least think about it
for a few days. Otherwise you will be throwing away over �10,000 in
cash!
THE OUTLINE

Let me assure you that this is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, a
perfectly legal moneymaking enterprise. It does not require you to
sell anything. It does not require you to speak to your friends,
family or anybody else (unless you want to). In fact, you do not need
to come into contact with any people what-so-ever. Anyone with a pulse
can become successful and make their fortune with this system.
If you believe that 'every dog has his day', then follow the simple
step-by-step plan exactly as it is set out below. If you do this and
this alone, I GUARANTEE that within the next 30 days you will receive
over �10,000 in cash via your PayPal account. I know that this must
sound like an outrageous claim, particularly if you've never had
possession of this sort of money before, but believe me, this business
works like nothing else you may have seen before in your life! By
following the simple 3-step
plan set out below, within a few short weeks your life will be
transformed beyond all recognition! Please do not allow your initial
scepticism to deprive you of certain financial success.

If you decide not to take advantage of this life-changing opportunity,
I would like you to know that I sincerely respect your decision and I
understand that you will have your reasons. I therefore wish you the
very best of luck for the future. I am able to say this with absolute
sincerity because, as you will see, if you decide to work this plan, I
will not receive any financial compensation from you whatsoever. After
all, I am sharing this system with you for free. However, remember
life is short. Your maximum risk is �3! There really is nothing at at
stake here.

Nobody has ever said that you can't have the financial freedom to do
what you want to do, when you want to do it. But you must first pay
the price. The price here is action; it's as simple as that!

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST, FASTEST & EASIEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE -
PERIOD!


Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single penny for this
lucrative business project. You will not be asked to buy anything or
sacrifice your free time. You will make some fast and easy cash, using
just a copy of this email and the simplest and most popular Internet
payment system in existence!
You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programs
such as 20/20 and Oprah Winfrey, or you may have read about it in the
Wall Street Journal. If not, here it is below - revealed to you in
step-by-step detail.

This program is by no means new. It has been in existence in many
forms for at least ten years. But in the early days, it required a lot
more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a few hundred pounds.
However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the outlay is now
virtually ZERO! On top of that, the entire process is FASTER, EASIER,
and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!

If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one
along with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earn
serious money online that you've ever seen so far in the history of
the Internet! This program works no matter what country you are in, or
what currency you use.

It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. And you certainly
won't need any special knowledge or talent. You won't need to run a
website, or make phone calls, or make photocopies, or send out letters
through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc. The only things you
will need are:

* An email address
* A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least �3 deposited in
it
* 30 minutes of your time

This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there is
absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you will
stand to gain many thousands of pounds within the next few weeks from
those 30 minutes of easy work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be
true! I thought exactly the same thing myself until I actually tried
it out!

Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, but
do yourself a big favour and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutely
NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of money
within the next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of
income you can generate from this one single business program!!

The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand pounds REALLY
FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST,
FASTEST, EASIEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate
in!

Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come
back to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can
certainly promise you that! If you don't have time to read all of this
now, then save this page, or add it to your Favourites list, so you
can come back to it later.

ALL YOU NEED IS A PAYPAL ACCOUNT & AN EMAIL ADDRESS!
Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will
soon!) and when I came across this concept I knew it would work
because, as a member of PayPal, I had already experienced their
efficiency and excellent standing. PayPal is the simplest method of
making and receiving payments online that anyone has ever seen! Anyone
with an email address can join for FREE! Once you have a PayPal
account, you can send and receive credit card payments to or from
anyone - anywhere in the world!
Please read further before you go there... You can complete this whole
process within just half
an hour and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!!
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TESTIMONIALS

NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless
individuals who decided to invest nothing more than �3 and half an
hour of their time to participate in this program:



" What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago,
and although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to �6,135.
I'm absolutely gob smacked." Alan Humphries , Leicester

"This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40
e-mail's out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole
thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come of it.
But when I checked my paypal account a week later, there was over
�3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have over �11,000 to spend! I can't
thank you enough!" Lisa McDonald, Northampton

" I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal
account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to �7,449. At
first I thought there had been some sort of error with my account!"
Richard Barrie, Cirencester


Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing
as you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they
decided to follow the simple instructions given below, they are now
considerably better off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever
why you can't share in this success. You've got nothing to lose, and
EVERYTHING to gain! Let's get started, just follow the instructions
exactly as set out below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx
of cash over the next 30 days!
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HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . .
STEP 1

Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you need
to do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just two
minutes!
Here's the URL:

 https://www.paypal.com/uk/mrb/pal=327YU8HCECWMA


Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free PREMIER or
BUSINESS account. You'll need to have a PREMIER or BUSINESS account
(and not a PERSONAL account) otherwise you won't be able to receive
credit card payments from other people.

STEP 2
It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in
order to
receive. So the first thing to do when you have your Premier/Business
PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a �3 payment from your PayPal
account to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a
note saying: " Please add me to your mailing list." Be certain to add
this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL. Instructions on
how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at the Paypal Site. It's
so Easy!!
When you send your �3 payment to the first address in the list, do it
with a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you
reap!"

Here's the current list:
******************************************
( 1  emailprabhjot@rediffmail.com
( 2 ) ebay_auctions_the_works@yahoo.co.uk

( 3 ) yewtree26@hotmail.com

( 4 ) stellaandmartin@yahoo.co.uk
( 5 ) vmax1200k@yahoo.co.uk

******************************************
After you have transferred a �3 payment to the email address at the
top of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an
indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction
in the system. You've just proved to yourself that, because you have
done it, there must be a great number of other people ready to do
exactly the same. Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand,
that this business actually works!

STEP 3
Once you've sent a �3 payment to the address at the top of the list
(along with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing you
need to do is to obtain a copy of this email message, as you'll be
sending it out to at least 40 people. The copy that you will send out
will contain YOUR unique PayPal referral URL and YOUR email address at
number 5 in the list - having deleted the address at Number 1 in the
list, and moving the others up a position. The easiest way to do this
is to:

(A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and select EDIT
and then SELECT ALL.
(B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY.
(C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can
view it!).
(D) Fill in your email address and subject line.
(E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new email
message. Now you can edit this email message in any way you want!

The first thing to edit are the email addresses in the list above.
Delete
the top email address, and then move the others up a position, and
then add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list (the number 5
position). Be sure to use your email address that is associated with
your PayPal account.
But DO NOT forget to send �3 via PayPal (along with your note!) to the
email address at position number 1 before deleting it!
Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in order to earn money
fast!

It doesn't work like that! If you do that, you will ONLY reach the
people
you directly send emails to, and then your name will be immediately
removed from the No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people!
But, if you add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be
literally thousands of people receiving and sending emails later -
when your name is at the Number 1 spot!!!

Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in Step 1)
with your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referring URL at
Paypal after you join. Just look at the bottom of the first page once
you sign into Paypal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be
given a referring URL similar to the one above, except the code number
at the end will be different. Simply delete the current PayPal
referral URL in Step 1 above, and replace it with your PayPal referral
URL.

(F) Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out
a minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, or
to
people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers.
By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is
EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's
why it takes only a few days for those �3 payments to start flooding
into your PayPal account!

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about 30
minutes to complete. BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE
DISAPPOINTED!!! Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no
capital outlay, no postage stamps, no printing, copying or waiting,
and the concept is 100% legal.
Within 30 days, over �10,000 cash will pass through your PayPal
account. And that's GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a
substantial number of �3 payments within the first few days! Keep a
copy of your email safe so that you can use it again whenever you need
more cash!
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HERE'S HOW IT WORKS:

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be at
Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at this
stage if you want to make serious money. The response-rate for this
program is much higher than any typical email marketing campaign for a
number of reasons, which are explained later. As long as you send your
emails to people who are likely to be interested in this program, on
average, you can expect a response from about 25% of the people you
send to. But let's be extremely conservative here and assume that you
receive an average response rate of only 12.5%. . .

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at
least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5).
By this time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in the
list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40).

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to
participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails (25
x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in
the list.
Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to
participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails
(125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the No.2 position.
Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to
respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)
being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot!
Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them
to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at
NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive: �9,375 (3,125 x �3).
So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the next
few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the course
of 30 days, this money will be sent to you by a few thousand people
just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hour to receive
around �10,000 or more in cash! The first payments will arrive within
a few days, and they will continue at the rate of about 100 payments
per day for about 30 days. After that time, the volume of payments
begins to taper off as your email address vacates the Number 1
position.

That's all you need to do! There will be around �10,000 in �3 payments
waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks.
�10,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you can
spend on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank account
or spend it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just that
easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?

But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a
result of using YOUR unique referral URL, you will automatically
receive a referral bonus of up to �75 from PayPal! So, you could very
easily make an extra few hundred pounds on top of the amount above!
Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40
people you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except delete
your email.

However, if you follow the plan correctly and send your emails only to
people who are likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical
response-rate of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a
worst-case-scenario. Additionally, the example assumes that each
participant will only send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if
each participant sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me,
many people will do this and much more!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day,
all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on the
Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email can
provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send
to. You can also send out emails to all of your family, friends, and
to anyone who you think would want to invest �3 and 30 minutes of
their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month. If you want
to operate this business continuously, you should consider obtaining
bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable mailing list company.
That's how I've managed to stay in business for the last 2 years. If
you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would be the
most profitable way to make use of it. There are many websites that
sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addresses of people who have
subscribed to receive exactly this type of program. For example, check
out the following two sites...the possibilities are endless, and it's
so easy!

 

 

Unlike many other MLM programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only
�3. That's right, only �3 ONCE, which is much more realistic and
provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on the list
gets your �3 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1
position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No cheating can
occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can be cheated) as
Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it is so easy, the
response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet email FAST, and
you will start seeing dramatic results in less than one week! JUST IN
TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS!

You need only mail out 40 copies to start with. Start right away, and
send to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programs
to you, as they are already working on the web. They know these
programs work and they are already believers in the system! This is
NOT considered SPAM if you are responding to other people's offers, or
sending to friends, family and contacts, or if you are using a
legitimate opt-in list.
So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge
influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!

4 FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL. . .
* EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE
* EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE
* UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL
* QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT
POTENTIAL,
this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from just a simple
email and one simple �3 PayPal transaction! In fact, this program has
faster results, and a higher response rate, than any other Internet
program you could possibly participate in! For most email marketing
campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5% and 5%. However,
this particular program typically generates a response rate of between
20% and 30%. This is because this program is so easy to implement, it
costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes to implement, and the
results can be seen within days.
I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is
about as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no
printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This
program really keeps it "short and simple"!
Believe me, you will be rewarded long before those thousands of people
even begin to receive emails with your email address at the Number 1
position!
This is because PayPal will automatically pay you up to �75 for each
referral. Yes, every time someone signs up with PayPal after reading
one of your emails, you will receive up to �75 from PayPal!

UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL!
This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each to
start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many
emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEAST
�10,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever,
GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT!

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the
list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the
other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to
be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will come
to you!

You are probably sceptical of this, especially with all the different
programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will
never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do right now. I
wanted to believe but I just couldn't help thinking that there was
some sort of catch.
But then I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. After all,
I was only being asked to invest a measly �3, and yet I could earn
many thousands of pounds within a month. And all for just half an hour
of my time!

Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This
took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!

To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for a
free PayPal Premier (or Business) account.
But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything but
�3 and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair,
everyone WINS!!

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to
make over �10,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can
hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.
However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within a few
days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You
certainly won't regret it.

SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL
PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's
Number 1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3 million
eBay auctions as well as a countless number of online shops. You can
also use PayPal to pay your friends - for example, it's a convenient
way to split the phone bill with your room-mate, send cash to your
kids in college, or send cash to someone in another country. Better
yet, you can also earn a referral bonus of up to �75 each time someone
signs up for a PayPal account using your referral URL!

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with
your credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about your
privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe and
secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing
a cheque or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why
over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money.
Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only a
couple of minutes.

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures
Best Regards
Prabhjot Bawa.

P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some sceptics it is. But
it actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. So,
just make a nice cup of tea and get started on it now. After all, you
can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks than many
people earn in a year!


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10.0.0.4			RFC1918						10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
12.47.224.17		Delphi						12.47.224.0 - 12.47.224.255
12.129.224.154	iPowerWeb					12.129.224.0 - 12.129.224.255
24.25.4.95		RRMA						24.24.0.0 - 24.29.255.255
24.30.129.56		RRMA						24.30.128.0 - 24.30.223.255
24.51.153.137		Adelphia						24.51.144.0 - 24.51.159.255
24.59.62.121		RRNY						24.58.0.0 - 24.59.255.255
24.69.255.0		SHAWC						24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
24.158.25.220		DLTH-MN					24.158.16.0 - 24.158.31.255
34.93.202.152		HALLIB-1					34.0.0.0 - 34.255.255.255
39.225.85.228		IANA						39.0.0.0 - 39.255.255.255
61.6.32.58		JARING-MY					61.6.0.0 - 61.6.191.255
62.38.2.228		GR-HOL						62.38.0.0 - 62.38.255.255
62.62.156.28		JET-9TELECOM				62.62.152.0 - 62.62.161.255
62.64.127.155		SUNBAY-SOVAMNET			62.64.127.152 - 62.64.127.159
62.100.224.10		INFORNAX					62.100.224.0 - 62.100.224.127
62.149.128.72		TECHNORAIL-NET			62.149.128.0 - 62.149.137.255
62.151.11.132		YACOMNET					62.151.0.0 - 62.151.127.255
63.84.236.48		Andinatel S.A.					63.84.236.0 - 63.84.239.255
63.110.140.141	Cybertrails					63.110.128.0 - 63.110.143.255
63.231.195.115	USW-INTERACT99			63.224.0.0 - 63.231.255.255
63.238.254.165	CANTON					63.238.254.160 - 63.238.254.191
63.251.163.111	PNAP						63.251.0.0 - 63.251.255.255
64.12.164.65		AMERIC-158					64.12.0.0 - 64.12.255.255
64.14.239.232		EXCW						64.14.0.0 - 64.14.255.255
64.15.239.150		EXCW						64.15.224.0 - 64.15.255.255
64.19.76.9		WFC-22						64.19.64.0 - 64.19.95.255
64.62.152.73		HURRICANE-CE0318-2A2		64.62.152.0 - 64.62.152.255
64.62.191.81		HURRICANE-CE1156-341		64.62.191.0 - 64.62.191.255
64.81.255.21		HODGE INTERACTIVE			64.81.255.0 - 64.81.255.31
64.136.16.21		JUNO						64.136.0.0 - 64.136.63.255
64.144.31.242		FTCI						64.144.0.0 - 64.145.255.255
64.186.10.158		Americatel					64.186.0.0 - 64.186.31.255
64.191.5.92		HOSTNOC-3BLK				64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
64.238.96.58		CBEY						64.238.96.0 - 64.238.127.255
65.24.5.137		ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL		65.24.0.0 - 65.27.255.255
66.33.198.168		DREAMHOST				66.33.192.0 - 66.33.223.255
66.61.161.187		RRMA						66.61.0.0 - 66.61.255.255
66.75.162.133		ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL		66.74.0.0 - 66.75.255.255
66.90.247.142		GCNI						66.90.128.0 - 66.90.255.255
66.143.243.245	SBIS						66.136.0.0 - 66.143.255.255
66.218.79.190		A-YAHOO-U23				66.218.64.0 - 66.218.95.255
67.21.207.248		ADELPHIA					67.20.0.0 - 67.23.255.255
68.1.17.9			COX-ATLANTA				68.0.0.0 - 68.15.255.255
68.20.140.15		Delphi						68.20.140.0 - 68.20.140.255
68.27.68.160		SPCS						68.24.0.0 - 68.31.255.255
68.161.73.143		VZ-DSLDIAL-NYCMNY-19		68.160.192.0 - 68.161.127.255
68.168.78.26		ADELPHIA-CABLE-4			68.168.0.0 - 68.171.255.255
68.228.37.0		NETBLK-PH-RDC				68.228.32.0 - 68.228.63.255
80.32.82.238		RIMA						80.32.0.0 - 80.35.255.255
80.54.1.125		PL-TPSA						80.48.0.0 - 80.55.255.255
80.177.236.105	jackpot-adsl					80.177.236.104 - 80.177.236.111
80.200.53.0		Skynet Belgium					80.200.0.0 - 80.200.255.255
82.64.151.159		FR-PROXAD-ADSL			82.64.115.0 - 82.64.255.255
82.137.35.66		RO-PCNET-20030704			82.137.0.0 - 82.137.63.255
129.8.57.22		CSUFRESNO					129.8.0.0 - 129.8.255.255
129.250.168.16	VRIO-129-250				129.250.0.0 - 129.250.255.255
130.67.139.70		Telenor						130.67.0.0 - 130.67.255.255
142.77.1.194		UUNET-CA-A				142.77.0.0 - 142.77.255.255
142.169.1.18		TACE						142.169.0.0 - 142.169.255.255
143.90.131.181	JAPANTELECOM				143.90.0.0 - 143.90.255.255
144.135.18.32		TELSTR						144.135.0.0 - 144.135.255.255
144.140.71.13		TELSTR						144.140.0.0 - 144.140.255.255
148.122.161.46	NO-TBS-S-FARM-NET			148.122.161.0 - 148.122.161.255
148.235.168.22	CISIC						148.201.0.0 - 148.250.255.255
149.174.32.135	COMPUS-37					149.174.0.0 - 149.174.255.255
151.99.250.107	INTERBUSINESS				151.99.250.0 - 151.99.250.255
159.134.118.20	TELE-IRELAND				159.134.0.0 - 159.134.255.255
161.184.245.22	ED-TEL						161.184.0.0 - 161.184.255.255
164.109.59.132	DIGEXI-7					164.109.0.0 - 164.109.255.255
165.21.103.210	SINGNET					165.21.0.0 - 165.21.255.255
168.95.4.125		CHUNGTELECOM			168.95.0.0 - 168.95.255.255
192.75.13.142		CABLEATLANTIC				192.75.13.0 - 192.75.13.255
192.89.123.25		SONERA-3					192.89.0.0 - 192.89.255.255
193.125.152.23	RELCOM					193.125.152.0 - 193.125.152.255
193.189.189.189	ADACTA-SI					193.189.189.128 - 193.189.189.191
193.213.114.189	Telenor						193.213.112.0 - 193.213.127.255
193.216.69.194	T2NET1-NO					193.216.69.0 - 193.216.69.255
193.248.41.17		FR-WANADOO				193.248.41.0 - 193.248.41.255
193.252.22.27		WANADOO					193.252.22.0 - 193.252.22.31
193.252.122.103	WANADOO					193.252.122.64 - 193.252.122.127
194.22.190.4		TELIANET					194.22.188.0 - 194.22.195.255
194.25.134.17		DTOS-ULM-001				194.25.134.0 - 194.25.134.255
149.46.4.103		PSINET-B-46					149.46.0.0 - 149.46.255.255
194.65.5.209		Telepac						194.65.5.192 - 194.65.5.223
194.73.73.93		BT-CUST-1034				194.73.73.0 - 194.73.73.255
194.86.250.13		LOVIISA						194.86.250.0 - 194.86.250.255
194.90.9.24		NV-NETVISION				194.90.9.0 - 194.90.9.255
194.102.255.2		KAPPA						194.102.255.0 - 194.102.255.255
194.109.206.210	NL-XS4ALL					194.109.0.0 - 194.109.255.255
194.154.192.49	PT-LU						194.154.192.0 - 194.154.192.255
194.158.97.204	T-ONLINEFRANCE			194.158.96.0 - 194.158.99.255
195.14.162.1		LT-BALTNET					195.14.160.0 - 195.14.191.255
195.22.248.147	MEGADAT-248				195.22.248.0 - 195.22.248.255
195.34.132.20		TELEKABEL					195.34.132.0 - 195.34.132.255
195.67.199.133	TELIANET					195.67.188.0 - 195.67.207.255
195.67.227.94		TELIANET					195.67.224.0 - 195.67.255.255
195.112.4.38		NILDRAM					195.112.4.0 - 195.112.4.255
195.121.6.173		NL-PI-CORE-SERVERS		195.121.6.0 - 195.121.13.255
195.130.132.69	TELENET					195.130.128.0 - 195.130.149.255
195.130.225.152	TISCALINET					195.130.224.0 - 195.130.238.255
195.166.156.167	TECHNIMODE				195.166.156.160 - 195.166.156.191
195.186.3.80		BLUEWINNET				195.186.0.0 - 195.186.63.255
195.188.53.99		HSD-KNOWSLEY				195.188.53.0 - 195.188.53.255
195.188.213.7		TW-KNOWSLEY				195.188.213.0 - 195.188.213.255
195.229.241.85	AE-EMIRNET					195.229.0.0 - 195.229.255.255
196.28.7.12		REALNET-SZ					196.28.7.0 - 196.28.7.255
196.37.91.3		ISNET-07					196.36.0.0 - 196.39.127.255
198.161.157.214	AGT-1						198.161.148.0 - 198.161.163.255
198.247.208.120	VRIO-198-247				198.247.0.0 - 198.247.255.255
199.185.220.223	EDTEL-PLANET				199.185.220.0 - 199.185.224.255
200.135.4.4		Trindade						200.0.0.0 - 200.255.255.255
200.101.63.74		BRASILTELECOM.NET		200.0.0.0 - 200.255.255.255
202.71.97.44		EASTGATE					202.71.96.0 - 202.71.111.255
202.224.64.36		DEODEO					202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255
205.152.59.66		BELLSNET-BLK1				205.152.0.0 - 205.152.255.255
210.50.30.52		INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.0.0 - 210.50.63.255
210.50.76.52		INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.64.0 - 210.50.95.255
210.139.254.159	SO-NET						210.139.128.0-210.139.255.0
202.188.95.15		TMNET-MY-1				202.188.0.0 - 202.188.255.255
202.224.159.198	PANANETIP					202.224.152.0-202.224.159.0
202.248.37.212	NIFTY-SERVE				202.240.0.0 - 202.255.255.255
203.2.193.69		OZEMAIL-AU				203.2.192.0 - 203.2.195.255
203.12.160.59		TOTALPERIPH-AU			203.12.160.0 - 203.12.167.255
203.59.24.221		IINET-AU					203.59.0.0 - 203.59.255.255
203.115.0.28		SLTNETBLK					203.115.0.0 - 203.115.63.255
203.125.41.154	SINGNET-SG					203.125.0.0 - 203.125.127.255
203.140.81.18		K-OPTICOM					203.140.80.0-203.140.95.0
203.143.52.52		LANKACOM-CEYCOM-LK	203.143.52.0 - 203.143.52.255
203.181.105.168	KDDI-NET					203.181.104.0-203.181.107.0
203.199.70.174	COLO-MUM4				203.199.70.0 - 203.199.70.255
204.97.230.36		infocom						204.97.230.0 - 204.97.231.255
204.127.131.116	ATTW						204.127.0.0 - 204.127.255.255
204.147.80.81		USW-INTERACT				204.147.80.0 - 204.147.95.255
204.251.10.219	I55-INTERCOSMOS-2			204.251.10.0 - 204.251.13.255
205.152.59.70		BELLSNET-BLK1				205.152.0.0 - 205.152.255.255
205.158.62.24		XOXO-BLK-0				205.158.0.0 - 205.158.255.255
206.141.253.156	Ameritech						206.140.0.0 - 206.141.255.255
207.69.200.60		ERMS						207.69.0.0 - 207.69.255.255
207.192.213.20	PONY						207.192.192.0 - 207.192.255.255
207.217.120.183	ERTH						207.217.0.0 - 207.217.255.255
207.249.74.110	MX-VNWS1					207.248.0.0 - 207.249.255.255	
208.55.213.150	VRIO-208-055				208.55.0.0 - 208.55.255.255
208.184.111.61	Bare Metal Design				208.184.111.0 - 208.184.111.63
208.223.219.206	UUNET1996B					208.192.0.0 - 208.255.255.255
209.61.129.8		RSPC-NET-2					209.61.128.0 - 209.61.191.255
209.112.155.41	ALASKA-BLK				209.112.128.0 - 209.112.223.255
209.123.85.5		NAC-NETBLK02				209.123.0.0 - 209.123.255.255
209.246.127.37	LEVEL3-CIDR				209.244.0.0 - 209.247.255.255
210.8.231.142		CONNECT-AU				210.8.0.0 - 210.8.255.255
210.23.137.43		PI-AU						210.23.128.0 - 210.23.159.255
210.50.30.52		INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.0.0 - 210.50.63.255
210.50.76.52		INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.64.0 - 210.50.95.255
210.54.149.45		ORCON-NZ					210.54.148.0 - 210.54.151.255
210.55.24.24		ESURF-NZ					210.55.24.0 - 210.55.27.255
210.172.64.114	KDDI-NET					210.172.64.0-210.172.64.225
210.139.254.158	SO-NET						210.139.128.0-210.139.255.0
210.196.3.172		KDDI-NET					210.196.0.0-210.196.15.0
210.253.192.36	ITSCOM-NET				210.253.192.0-210.253.207.0
211.5.1.78		KDDI-NET					211.5.0.0-211.5.3.0
211.6.83.171		Open Computer Network			211.6.32.0-211.6.85.0
211.29.132.56		OPTUSINTERNET-AU			211.29.0.0 - 211.29.255.255
211.94.177.136	BJ-CNUNINET				211.94.160.0 - 211.94.191.255
211.100.8.89		Net263-IDC					211.100.4.0 - 211.100.8.255
211.133.8.241		JPNIC-NET-JP				211.120.0.0 - 211.135.255.255
212.40.5.186		CH-DATACOMM-980218		212.40.0.0 - 212.40.31.255
212.48.10.150		MATRIXNET					212.48.8.0 - 212.48.11.255
212.55.8.60		EUSKALTEL					212.55.0.0 - 212.55.10.255
212.61.25.229		IAE-NET						212.61.0.0 - 212.61.26.63
212.68.203.242	BRUTELESCNETWORK		212.68.193.0 - 212.68.203.255
212.80.171.29		Infortelcom Network			212.80.171.0 - 212.80.171.255
212.97.204.28		MOBILIX					212.97.192.0 - 212.97.207.255
212.135.6.13		UK-EASYNET				212.134.0.0 - 212.135.255.255
212.178.7.102		NL-EDUCATIEFNET			212.178.0.0 - 212.178.255.255
212.187.213.86	BOLTBLUE-UK				212.187.213.64 - 212.187.213.127
212.209.97.24		SE-UUNET-ICEPAGE			212.209.97.0 - 212.209.97.127
212.216.176.221	Telecom Italia Net				212.216.172.0 - 212.216.177.255
213.4.130.20		TERRA-NETWORKS			213.4.128.0 - 213.4.159.255	
213.17.133.13		MP-KRAKOW				213.17.133.0 - 213.17.133.127
213.48.74.128		BRA_CVX4_POOL1			213.48.74.0 - 213.48.74.255
213.51.129.121	ATHOME-BENELUX			213.51.129.0 - 213.51.129.255
213.121.143.193	BT-OPENWORLD				213.121.143.192 - 213.121.143.255
213.122.229.195	BT-IMSNET					213.122.0.0 - 213.122.255.255
213.150.135.136	NEXTRA-SE					213.150.128.0 - 213.150.136.255
213.153.152.33	PerpaRAS1					213.153.151.0 - 213.153.155.255
213.186.85.182	PL-ORZELBIALY-LINK		213.186.85.180 - 213.186.85.183
213.194.124.93	TR-BNET-20001031			213.194.64.0 - 213.194.127.255
213.197.30.68		WB-NET						213.197.0.0 - 213.197.31.255
213.228.128.91	CLI-PA						213.228.128.0 - 213.228.128.255
213.235.141.237	FAIRNET					213.235.136.0 - 213.235.143.255
216.74.57.196		XOXO-BLK-21				216.74.0.0 - 216.74.63.255
216.77.188.40		BELLSNET-BLK5				216.76.0.0 - 216.79.255.255
216.105.35.175	IXPRES-2-NET				216.105.32.0 - 216.105.47.255
216.108.224.12	SCITX						216.108.224.0 - 216.108.239.255
216.116.135.2		INETLAB					216.116.128.0 - 216.116.143.255
216.127.78.28		EVRY						216.127.64.0 - 216.127.95.255
216.128.74.129	ATHENANEWS				216.128.74.0 - 216.128.74.255	
216.136.130.235	YAHOO3					216.136.128.0 - 216.136.131.255
216.153.45		ISDNNET-CIDR2				216.153.0.0 - 216.153.127.255
216.168.224.70	NSI-NETBLK1				216.168.224.0 - 216.168.255.255
216.195.180.36	BIDF						216.195.128.0 - 216.195.191.255
217.32.252.50		BTINTERNET					217.32.252.0 - 217.32.255.255
217.56.232.41		IT-INTERBUSINESS			217.56.0.0 - 217.59.255.255
217.129.206.201	PT-CABOVISAO				217.129.0.0 - 217.129.255.255
217.151.160.10	IS-MINET					217.151.160.0 - 217.151.167.255
218.0.4.11		CHINANET-ZJ				218.0.0.0 - 218.0.255.255
218.71.203.9		CHINANET-ZJ				218.71.0.0 - 218.75.127.255
218.102.23.144	NETVIGATOR				218.102.0.0 - 218.103.255.255
218.107.133.23	BJ-CHINA-NETCOM1			218.107.128.0 - 218.107.191.255
219.76.66.20		NETVIGATOR				219.76.0.0 - 219.77.255.255
219.99.255.76		KATCH-NET					219.99.255.0 - 219.99.255.127
219.111.179.43	SO-NET						219.111.128.0-219.111.191.0


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IP Blacklisted:			OrgID						NetRange
8.12.10.000			GNTY-8-0					8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255
10.0.0.4				RFC1918						10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
12.47.224.17			DELPHI						12.47.224.0 - 12.47.224.255
12.129.224.154		IPOWERWEB					12.129.224.0 - 12.129.224.255
24.25.4.95			ROAD-RUNNER-1			24.24.0.0 - 24.29.255.255
24.30.129.56			ROAD-RUNNER-1B			24.30.128.0 - 24.30.223.255
24.51.153.137			ADELPHIA					24.51.144.0 - 24.51.159.255
24.59.62.121			RR-NYS-3BLK				24.58.0.0 - 24.59.255.255
24.69.255.0			SHAWC-COMM				24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
24.92.226.25			ROAD-RUNNER-3-A			24.92.160.0 - 24.95.255.255
24.158.25.220			DLTH-MN					24.158.16.0 - 24.158.31.255
34.93.202.152			HALLIB-1					34.0.0.0 - 34.255.255.255
39.225.85.228			RESERVED-39A				39.0.0.0 - 39.255.255.255
61.6.32.58			JARING-MY					61.6.0.0 - 61.6.191.255
62.38.2.228			GR-HOL						62.38.0.0 - 62.38.255.255
62.42.230.12			ONO-SERVICIOS				62.42.230.0 - 62.42.230.255
62.62.156.28			JET-9TELECOM				62.62.152.0 - 62.62.161.255
62.64.127.155			SUNBAY-SOVAMNET			62.64.127.152 - 62.64.127.159
62.100.224.10			INFORNAX					62.100.224.0 - 62.100.224.127
62.149.128.72			TECHNORAIL-NET			62.149.128.0 - 62.149.137.255
62.151.11.132			YACOMNET					62.151.0.0 - 62.151.127.255
63.84.236.48			ANDINATEL S.A.				63.84.236.0 - 63.84.239.255
63.110.140.141		CYBERTRAILS				63.110.128.0 - 63.110.143.255
63.231.195.115		USW-INTERACT99			63.224.0.0 - 63.231.255.255
63.238.254.165		CITY OF CANTON			63.238.254.160 - 63.238.254.191
63.251.163.111		ENOM PNAP					63.251.0.0 - 63.251.255.255
64.2.94.43			XOXO-BLK-14				64.0.0.0 - 64.3.255.255
64.12.164.65			AMERIC-158					64.12.0.0 - 64.12.255.255
64.14.239.232			LEGACY-1 EXCW				64.14.0.0 - 64.14.255.255
64.15.239.150			NY1-1 EXCW					64.15.224.0 - 64.15.255.255
64.19.76.9			WFC-22						64.19.64.0 - 64.19.95.255
64.60.65.134			TELEPACIFIC-BLK-1			64.60.0.0 - 64.60.255.255
64.62.152.73			HURRICANE-CE0318-2A2		64.62.152.0 - 64.62.152.255
64.62.191.81			HURRICANE-CE1156-341		64.62.191.0 - 64.62.191.255
64.78.61.40			INTRMD-1					64.78.0.0 - 64.78.63.255
64.81.255.21			HODGE INTERACTIVE			64.81.255.0 - 64.81.255.31
64.132.37.131			TWTC-NETBLK-1				64.132.0.0 - 64.132.255.255
64.136.16.21			JUNO-BLK					64.136.0.0 - 64.136.63.255
64.144.31.242			FTCI DSL-NET-4				64.144.0.0 - 64.145.255.255
64.186.10.158			AMERICATEL				64.186.0.0 - 64.186.31.255
64.191.5.92			HOSTNOC-3BLK				64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
64.238.96.58			CBEY-64-238-96-0			64.238.96.0 - 64.238.127.255
65.24.5.137			ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL		65.24.0.0 - 65.27.255.255
65.30.255.244			RR-CENTRAL-2BLK			65.28.0.0 - 65.31.255.255
65.32.1.38			ROADRUNNER-SOUTHEAST	65.32.0.0 - 65.34.31.255
66.33.198.168			DREAMHOST				66.33.192.0 - 66.33.223.255
66.61.161.187			RR-MID-ATLANTIC			66.61.0.0 - 66.61.255.255
66.75.162.133			ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL		66.74.0.0 - 66.75.255.255
66.90.247.142			GRANDECOM-01				66.90.128.0 - 66.90.255.255
66.143.243.245		SBIS-SBIS-5BLK				66.136.0.0 - 66.143.255.255
66.218.79.190			A-YAHOO-U23				66.218.64.0 - 66.218.95.255
67.21.207.248			ADELPHIA					67.20.0.0 - 67.23.255.255
68.1.17.9				COX-ATLANTA				68.0.0.0 - 68.15.255.255
68.20.140.15			DELPHI						68.20.140.0 - 68.20.140.255
68.27.68.160			SPCS						68.24.0.0 - 68.31.255.255
68.161.73.143			VZ-DSLDIAL-NYCMNY-19		68.160.192.0 - 68.161.127.255
68.168.78.26			ADELPHIA-CABLE-4			68.168.0.0 - 68.171.255.255
68.228.37.0			NETBLK-PH-RDC				68.228.32.0 - 68.228.63.255
80.32.82.238			RIMA						80.32.0.0 - 80.35.255.255
80.54.1.125			PL-TPSA						80.48.0.0 - 80.55.255.255
80.177.236.105		JACKPOT-ADSL				80.177.236.104 - 80.177.236.111
80.200.53.0			SKYNET BELGIUM			80.200.0.0 - 80.200.255.255
81.199.84.84			CIDR-COMMUNICATION-01	81.199.82.0 - 81.199.87.255
82.64.151.159			FR-PROXAD-ADSL			82.64.115.0 - 82.64.255.255
82.137.35.66			RO-PCNET-20030704			82.137.0.0 - 82.137.63.255
82.144.165.31			HTEL-MNT					82.144.165.0 - 82.144.165.255
129.8.57.22			CSUFRESNO					129.8.0.0 - 129.8.255.255
129.250.168.16		VRIO-129-250				129.250.0.0 - 129.250.255.255
130.67.139.70			TELENOR					130.67.0.0 - 130.67.255.255
142.77.1.194			UUNET-CA-A				142.77.0.0 - 142.77.255.255
142.169.1.18			TACE						142.169.0.0 - 142.169.255.255
143.90.131.181		JAPANTELECOM				143.90.0.0 - 143.90.255.255
144.135.18.32			TELSTR						144.135.0.0 - 144.135.255.255
144.140.71.13			TELSTR						144.140.0.0 - 144.140.255.255
148.122.161.46		NO-TBS-S-FARM-NET			148.122.161.0 - 148.122.161.255
148.235.168.22		CISIC						148.201.0.0 - 148.250.255.255
149.46.4.103			PSINET-B-46					149.46.0.0 - 149.46.255.255
149.174.32.135		COMPUS-37					149.174.0.0 - 149.174.255.255
151.99.250.107		INTERBUSINESS				151.99.250.0 - 151.99.250.255
159.134.118.20		TELE-IRELAND				159.134.0.0 - 159.134.255.255
161.184.245.22		ED-TEL						161.184.0.0 - 161.184.255.255
164.109.59.132		DIGEXI-7					164.109.0.0 - 164.109.255.255
165.21.103.210		SINGNET					165.21.0.0 - 165.21.255.255
168.95.4.125			CHUNGTELECOM			168.95.0.0 - 168.95.255.255
192.75.13.142			CABLEATLANTIC				192.75.13.0 - 192.75.13.255
192.89.123.25			SONERA-3					192.89.0.0 - 192.89.255.255
193.125.152.23		RELCOM					193.125.152.0 - 193.125.152.255
193.189.189.189		ADACTA-SI					193.189.189.128 - 193.189.189.191
193.213.114.189		TELENOR					193.213.112.0 - 193.213.127.255
193.216.69.194		T2NET1-NO					193.216.69.0 - 193.216.69.255
193.248.41.17			FR-WANADOO				193.248.41.0 - 193.248.41.255
193.252.22.27			WANADOO					193.252.22.0 - 193.252.22.31
193.252.122.103		WANADOO					193.252.122.64 - 193.252.122.127
194.22.190.4			TELIANET					194.22.188.0 - 194.22.195.255
194.25.134.17			DTOS-ULM-001				194.25.134.0 - 194.25.134.255
194.65.5.209			TELEPAC					194.65.5.192 - 194.65.5.223
194.73.73.93			BT-CUST-1034				194.73.73.0 - 194.73.73.255
194.86.250.13			LOVIISA						194.86.250.0 - 194.86.250.255
194.90.9.24			NV-NETVISION				194.90.9.0 - 194.90.9.255
194.102.255.2			KAPPA						194.102.255.0 - 194.102.255.255
194.109.206.210		NL-XS4ALL					194.109.0.0 - 194.109.255.255
194.154.192.49		PT-LU						194.154.192.0 - 194.154.192.255
194.158.97.204		T-ONLINEFRANCE			194.158.96.0 - 194.158.99.255
195.14.162.1			LT-BALTNET					195.14.160.0 - 195.14.191.255
195.22.248.147		MEGADAT-248				195.22.248.0 - 195.22.248.255
195.34.132.20			TELEKABEL					195.34.132.0 - 195.34.132.255
195.67.199.133		TELIANET					195.67.188.0 - 195.67.207.255
195.67.227.94			TELIANET					195.67.224.0 - 195.67.255.255
195.112.4.38			NILDRAM					195.112.4.0 - 195.112.4.255
195.121.6.173			NL-PI-CORE-SERVERS		195.121.6.0 - 195.121.13.255
195.130.132.69		TELENET					195.130.128.0 - 195.130.149.255
195.130.225.152		TISCALINET					195.130.224.0 - 195.130.238.255
195.146.100.59		FAIRNET-CZ-01				195.146.100.0 - 195.146.100.255
195.166.156.167		TECHNIMODE				195.166.156.160 - 195.166.156.191
195.186.3.80			BLUEWINNET				195.186.0.0 - 195.186.63.255
195.188.53.99			HSD-KNOWSLEY				195.188.53.0 - 195.188.53.255
195.188.213.7			TW-KNOWSLEY				195.188.213.0 - 195.188.213.255
195.228.75.81			HOSTING-IDC				195.228.75.0 - 195.228.75.255
195.229.241.85		AE-EMIRNET					195.229.0.0 - 195.229.255.255
196.28.7.12			REALNET-SZ					196.28.7.0 - 196.28.7.255
196.37.91.3			ISNET-07					196.36.0.0 - 196.39.127.255
198.161.157.214		AGT-1						198.161.148.0 - 198.161.163.255
198.247.208.120		VRIO-198-247				198.247.0.0 - 198.247.255.255
199.185.220.223		EDTEL-PLANET				199.185.220.0 - 199.185.224.255
200.41.81.3			IMPSAT-CORP4				200.41.64.0 - 200.41.127.255
200.135.4.4			TRINDADE					200.0.0.0 - 200.255.255.255
200.101.63.74			BRASILTELECOM.NET		200.0.0.0 - 200.255.255.255
202.71.97.44			EASTGATE					202.71.96.0 - 202.71.111.255
202.188.95.15			TMNET-MY-1				202.188.0.0 - 202.188.255.255
202.224.64.36			DEODEO					202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255
202.224.159.198		PANANETIP					202.224.152.0-202.224.159.0
202.229.34.18			CAP-NET					202.0.0.0 - 203.255.255.255
202.248.37.212		NIFTY-SERVE				202.240.0.0 - 202.255.255.255
203.2.193.69			OZEMAIL-AU				203.2.192.0 - 203.2.195.255
203.12.160.59			TOTALPERIPH-AU			203.12.160.0 - 203.12.167.255
203.59.24.221			IINET-AU					203.59.0.0 - 203.59.255.255
203.107.154.130		COMNET-TH					203.107.128.0 - 203.107.255.255
203.115.0.28			SLTNETBLK					203.115.0.0 - 203.115.63.255
203.125.41.154		SINGNET-SG					203.125.0.0 - 203.125.127.255
203.140.81.18			K-OPTICOM					203.140.80.0-203.140.95.0
203.143.52.52			LANKACOM-CEYCOM-LK	203.143.52.0 - 203.143.52.255
203.181.105.168		KDDI-NET					203.181.104.0-203.181.107.0
203.199.70.174		COLO-MUM4				203.199.70.0 - 203.199.70.255
204.97.230.36			INFOCOM					204.97.230.0 - 204.97.231.255
204.127.131.116		ATTW						204.127.0.0 - 204.127.255.255
204.147.80.81			USW-INTERACT				204.147.80.0 - 204.147.95.255
204.251.10.219		I55-INTERCOSMOS-2			204.251.10.0 - 204.251.13.255
205.152.59.66			BELLSNET-BLK1				205.152.0.0 - 205.152.255.255
205.158.62.24			XOXO-BLK-0				205.158.0.0 - 205.158.255.255
206.48.122.98			EQUANT-BLK1				206.48.0.0 - 206.48.255.255
206.141.253.156		AMERITECH					206.140.0.0 - 206.141.255.255
207.69.200.60			ERMS						207.69.0.0 - 207.69.255.255
207.155.252.91		XOXO-BLK-10				207.155.128.0 - 207.155.255.255
207.192.213.20		PONY						207.192.192.0 - 207.192.255.255
207.217.120.183		ERTH						207.217.0.0 - 207.217.255.255
207.249.74.110		MX-VNWS1					207.248.0.0 - 207.249.255.255	
208.55.213.150		VRIO-208-055				208.55.0.0 - 208.55.255.255
208.184.111.61		BARE METAL DESIGN			208.184.111.0 - 208.184.111.63
208.223.219.206		UUNET1996B					208.192.0.0 - 208.255.255.255
209.61.129.8			RSPC-NET-2					209.61.128.0 - 209.61.191.255
209.112.155.41		ALASKA-BLK				209.112.128.0 - 209.112.223.255
209.123.85.5			NAC-NETBLK02				209.123.0.0 - 209.123.255.255
209.246.127.37		LEVEL3-CIDR				209.244.0.0 - 209.247.255.255
210.8.231.142			CONNECT-AU				210.8.0.0 - 210.8.255.255
210.23.137.43			PI-AU						210.23.128.0 - 210.23.159.255
210.50.30.52			INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.0.0 - 210.50.63.255
210.50.76.52			INTERNETPRIMUS			210.50.64.0 - 210.50.95.255
210.54.149.45			ORCON-NZ					210.54.148.0 - 210.54.151.255
210.55.24.24			ESURF-NZ					210.55.24.0 - 210.55.27.255
210.172.64.114		KDDI-NET					210.172.64.0-210.172.64.225
210.139.254.158		SO-NET						210.139.128.0-210.139.255.0
210.190.142.201		OCN						210.190.140.0-210.190.191.0
210.196.3.172			KDDI-NET					210.196.0.0-210.196.15.0
210.253.192.36		ITSCOM-NET				210.253.192.0-210.253.207.0
211.5.1.78			KDDI-NET					211.5.0.0-211.5.3.0
211.6.83.171			OPEN COMPUTER NET		211.6.32.0-211.6.85.0
211.29.132.56			OPTUSINTERNET-AU			211.29.0.0 - 211.29.255.255
211.94.177.136		BJ-CNUNINET				211.94.160.0 - 211.94.191.255
211.100.8.89			NET263-IDC					211.100.4.0 - 211.100.8.255
211.120.208.212		COCONET					211.120.208.0-211.120.215.0
211.133.8.241			JPNIC-NET-JP				211.120.0.0 - 211.135.255.255
212.2.162.35			OCEANFREE.NET				212.2.162.0 - 212.2.191.255
212.40.5.186			CH-DATACOMM-980218		212.40.0.0 - 212.40.31.255
212.48.10.150			MATRIXNET					212.48.8.0 - 212.48.11.255
212.55.8.60			EUSKALTEL					212.55.0.0 - 212.55.10.255
212.61.25.229			IAE-NET						212.61.0.0 - 212.61.26.63
212.68.203.242		BRUTELESCNETWORK		212.68.193.0 - 212.68.203.255
212.80.171.29		I	NFORTELCOM NETWORK		212.80.171.0 - 212.80.171.255
212.97.204.28			MOBILIX					212.97.192.0 - 212.97.207.255
212.135.6.13			UK-EASYNET				212.134.0.0 - 212.135.255.255
212.178.7.102			NL-EDUCATIEFNET			212.178.0.0 - 212.178.255.255
212.187.213.86		BOLTBLUE-UK				212.187.213.64 - 212.187.213.127
212.209.97.24			SE-UUNET-ICEPAGE			212.209.97.0 - 212.209.97.127
212.216.176.221		TELECOM ITALIA NET		212.216.172.0 - 212.216.177.255
213.4.130.20			TERRA-NETWORKS			213.4.128.0 - 213.4.159.255	
213.17.133.13			MP-KRAKOW				213.17.133.0 - 213.17.133.127
213.33.75.77			A-1230 VIENNA				213.33.74.176 - 213.33.75.255
213.48.74.128			BRA_CVX4_POOL1			213.48.74.0 - 213.48.74.255
213.51.129.121		ATHOME-BENELUX			213.51.129.0 - 213.51.129.255
213.56.31.22			FR-OLEANE-BLOCK-9		213.56.24.0 - 213.56.31.255
213.121.143.193		BT-OPENWORLD				213.121.143.192 - 213.121.143.255
213.122.229.195		BT-IMSNET					213.122.0.0 - 213.122.255.255
213.150.135.136		NEXTRA-SE					213.150.128.0 - 213.150.136.255
213.153.152.33		PERPARAS1					213.153.151.0 - 213.153.155.255
213.186.85.182		PL-ORZELBIALY-LINK		213.186.85.180 - 213.186.85.183
213.194.124.93		TR-BNET-20001031			213.194.64.0 - 213.194.127.255
213.197.30.68			WB-NET						213.197.0.0 - 213.197.31.255
213.228.128.91		CLI-PA						213.228.128.0 - 213.228.128.255
213.235.141.237		FAIRNET					213.235.136.0 - 213.235.143.255
213.253.208.18		HTTC-HU					213.253.208.0 - 213.253.208.255
216.74.57.196			XOXO-BLK-21				216.74.0.0 - 216.74.63.255
216.77.188.40			BELLSNET-BLK5				216.76.0.0 - 216.79.255.255
216.105.35.175		IXPRES-2-NET				216.105.32.0 - 216.105.47.255
216.108.224.12		SCITX						216.108.224.0 - 216.108.239.255
216.116.135.2			INETLAB					216.116.128.0 - 216.116.143.255
216.127.78.28			EVRY						216.127.64.0 - 216.127.95.255
216.128.74.129		ATHENANEWS				216.128.74.0 - 216.128.74.255	
216.136.130.235		YAHOO3					216.136.128.0 - 216.136.131.255
216.153.45			ISDNNET-CIDR2				216.153.0.0 - 216.153.127.255
216.168.224.70		NSI-NETBLK1				216.168.224.0 - 216.168.255.255
216.195.180.36		BIDF						216.195.128.0 - 216.195.191.255
216.218.177.2			HURRICANE-1				216.218.128.0 - 216.218.255.255
217.32.252.50			BTINTERNET					217.32.252.0 - 217.32.255.255
217.56.232.41			IT-INTERBUSINESS			217.56.0.0 - 217.59.255.255
217.129.206.201		PT-CABOVISAO				217.129.0.0 - 217.129.255.255
217.151.160.10		IS-MINET					217.151.160.0 - 217.151.167.255
218.0.4.11			CHINANET-ZJ				218.0.0.0 - 218.0.255.255
218.71.203.9			CHINANET-ZJ				218.71.0.0 - 218.75.127.255
218.102.23.144		NETVIGATOR				218.102.0.0 - 218.103.255.255
218.107.133.23		BJ-CHINA-NETCOM1			218.107.128.0 - 218.107.191.255
218.159.88.4			KORNET					218.144.0.0 - 218.159.255.255
219.76.66.20			NETVIGATOR				219.76.0.0 - 219.77.255.255
219.99.255.76			KATCH-NET					219.99.255.0 - 219.99.255.127
219.111.179.43		SO-NET						219.111.128.0-219.111.191.0


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24.92.226.25�K�K�K�K�K�KROAD-RUNNER-3-A�K�K�K�K24.92.160.0 - 24.95.255.255
24.158.25.220�K�K�K�K�K..DLTH-MN�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..24.158.16.0 - 24.158.31.255
34.93.202.152�K�K�K�K�K..HALLIB-1�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..34.0.0.0 - 34.255.255.255
39.225.85.228�K�K�K�K�K..RESERVED-39A�K�K�K�K�K�K39.0.0.0 - 39.255.255.255
61.6.32.58�K�K�K�K�K�K�KJARING-MY�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..61.6.0.0 - 61.6.191.255
62.11.148.15�K�K�K�K�K�KTISCALINET�K�K�K�K�K�K�K.62.10.0.0 - 62.11.175.255
62.38.2.228�K�K�K�K�K�K..GR-HOL�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K.62.38.0.0 - 62.38.255.255
62.42.230.12�K�K�K�K�K�KONO-SERVICIOS�K�K�K�K�K..62.42.230.0 - 62.42.230.255
*62.56.196.8�K�K�K�K�K�KHALLY-PS-CIDR02�K�K�K�K..62.56.196.0 - 62.56.199.255
62.62.156.28�K�K�K�K�K�K.JET-9TELECOM�K�K�K�K�K...62.62.152.0 - 62.62.161.255
62.64.127.155�K�K�K�K�K..SUNBAY-SOVAMNET�K�K�K.62.64.127.152 - 62.64.127.159
62.100.224.10�K�K�K�K�K..INFORNAX�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K62.100.224.0 - 62.100.224.127
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62.149.128.72�K�K�K�K�K..TECHNORAIL-NET�K�K�K�K..62.149.128.0 - 62.149.137.255
62.151.11.132�K�K�K�K�K..YACOMNET�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..62.151.0.0 - 62.151.127.255
63.84.236.48�K�K�K�K�K�KANDINATEL S.A�K�K�K�K�K..63.84.236.0 - 63.84.239.255
63.110.140.141�K�K�K�K�KCYBERTRAILS�K�K�K�K�K�K.63.110.128.0 - 63.110.143.255
63.171.232.39�K�K�K�K�K..ETB COLOMBIA FON�K�K�K..63.171.232.0 - 63.171.232.255
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63.231.195.115�K�K�K�K�KUSW-INTERACT99�K�K�K�K...63.224.0.0 - 63.231.255.255
63.238.254.165�K�K�K�K�KCITY OF CANTON�K�K�K�K�K63.238.254.160 - 63.238.254.191
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63.251.163.111�K�K�K�K�KENOM PNAP�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..63.251.0.0 - 63.251.255.255
64.2.94.43�K�K�K�K�K�K�KXOXO-BLK-14�K�K�K�K�K�K�K64.0.0.0 - 64.3.255.255
64.12.164.65�K�K�K�K�K�KAMERIC-158.�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..64.12.0.0 - 64.12.255.255
64.14.239.232�K�K�K�K�K..LEGACY-1 EXCW�K�K�K�K�K.64.14.0.0 - 64.14.255.255
64.15.239.150�K�K�K�K�K..NY1-1 EXCW	�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..64.15.224.0 - 64.15.255.255
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64.60.65.134�K�K�K�K�K�KTELEPACIFIC-BLK-1�K�K�K�K.64.60.0.0 - 64.60.255.255
64.62.152.73�K�K�K�K�K�KHURRICANE-CE0318-2A2�K�K.64.62.152.0 - 64.62.152.255
64.62.191.81�K�K�K�K�K�KHURRICANE-CE1156-341�K�K..64.62.191.0 - 64.62.191.255
64.78.61.40�K�K�K�K�K�K..INTRMD-1�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K64.78.0.0 - 64.78.63.255
64.81.255.21�K�K�K�K�K�KHODGE INTERACTIVE�K�K�K..64.81.255.0 - 64.81.255.31
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64.132.37.131�K�K�K�K�K..TWTC-NETBLK-1�K�K�K�K�K�K64.132.0.0 - 64.132.255.255
64.136.16.21�K�K�K�K�K�KJUNO-BLK�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K64.136.0.0 - 64.136.63.255
64.144.31.242�K�K�K�K�K..FTCI DSL-NET-4�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..64.144.0.0 - 64.145.255.255
64.186.10.158�K�K�K�K�K..AMERICATEL�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..64.186.0.0 - 64.186.31.255
64.191.5.92�K�K�K�K�K�K..HOSTNOC-3BLK�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
64.238.96.58�K�K�K�K�K�KCBEY-64-238-96-0�K�K�K�K�K�K�K64.238.96.0 - 64.238.127.255
65.24.5.137�K�K�K�K�K�K..ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL�K�K�K.65.24.0.0 - 65.27.255.255
65.30.255.244�K�K�K�K�K..ROADRUNNER�VCENTRAL�K�K�K65.28.0.0 - 65.31.255.255
65.32.1.38�K�K�K�K�K�K�KROADRUNNER-SOUTHEAST�K�K65.32.0.0 - 65.34.31.255
66.33.198.168�K�K�K�K�K..DREAMHOST�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K66.33.192.0 - 66.33.223.255
66.61.161.187�K�K�K�K�K..ROADRUNNER-MID-ATLANTIC�K�K.66.61.0.0 - 66.61.255.255
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66.75.162.133�K�K�K�K�K..ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL�K�K�K66.74.0.0 - 66.75.255.255
66.90.247.142�K�K�K�K�K..GRANDECOM-01�K�K�K�K�K�K�K66.90.128.0 - 66.90.255.255
66.143.243.245�K�K�K�K�KSBIS-SBIS-5BLK�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..66.136.0.0 - 66.143.255.255
66.218.79.190�K�K�K�K�K..A-YAHOO-U23�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K.66.218.64.0 - 66.218.95.255
67.21.207.248�K�K�K�K�K..ADELPHIA�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K67.20.0.0 - 67.23.255.255
68.1.17.9�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..COX-ATLANTA�K�K�K�K�K�K..68.0.0.0 - 68.15.255.255
68.20.140.15�K�K�K�K�K�KDELPHI�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K.68.20.140.0 - 68.20.140.255
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68.161.73.143�K�K�K�K�K..VZ-DSLDIAL-NYCMNY-19�K�K68.160.192.0 - 68.161.127.255
68.168.78.26�K�K�K�K�K�KADELPHIA-CABLE-4�K�K�K�K..68.168.0.0 - 68.171.255.255
68.228.37.0�K�K�K�K�K�K..NETBLK-PH-RDC�K�K�K�K�K�K68.228.32.0 - 68.228.63.255
80.32.82.238�K�K�K�K�K�KRIMA�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K80.32.0.0 - 80.35.255.255
80.54.1.125�K�K�K�K�K�K..PL-TPSA�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K..80.48.0.0 - 80.55.255.255
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80.177.236.105�K�K�K�K�KJACKPOT-ADSL�K�K�K�K�K�K80.177.236.104 - 80.177.236.111
80.200.53.0�K�K�K�K�K�K..SKYNET BELGIUM�K�K�K�K�K80.200.0.0 - 80.200.255.255
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81.199.84.84�K�K�K�K�K�KCIDR-COMMUNICATION-01�K81.199.82.0 - 81.199.87.255
82.64.151.159�K�K�K�K�K..FR-PROXAD-ADSL�K�K�K�K�K82.64.115.0 - 82.64.255.255
82.137.35.66�K�K�K�K�K�KRO-PCNET-20030704�K�K�K�K82.137.0.0 - 82.137.63.255
82.144.165.31�K�K�K�K�K..HTEL-MNT�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K82.144.165.0 - 82.144.165.255
129.8.57.22�K�K�K�K�K�K..CSUFRESNO�K�K�K�K�K�K�K129.8.0.0 - 129.8.255.255
129.250.168.16�K�K�K�K�KVRIO-129-250�K�K�K�K�K�K.129.250.0.0 - 129.250.255.255
130.67.139.70�K�K�K�K�K..TELENOR�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K130.67.0.0 - 130.67.255.255
142.77.1.194�K�K�K�K�K�KUUNET-CA-A�K�K�K�K�K�K..142.77.0.0 - 142.77.255.255
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193.189.189.189�K�K�K�K..ADACTA-SI�K�K�K�K�K193.189.189.128 - 193.189.189.191
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195.121.6.173�K�K�K�K�K..NL-PI-CORE-SERVERS�K..195.121.6.0 - 195.121.13.255
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195.146.100.59�K�K�K�K�KFAIRNET-CZ-01�K�K�K�K..195.146.100.0 - 195.146.100.255
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195.166.156.167�K�K�K�K..TECHNIMODE�K�K�K�K�K.195.166.156.160 - 195.166.156.191
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195.188.53.99�K�K�K�K�K..HSD-KNOWSLEY�K�K�K�K195.188.53.0 - 195.188.53.255
195.188.213.7�K�K�K�K�K..TW-KNOWSLEY�K�K�K�K..195.188.213.0 - 195.188.213.255
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195.228.75.81�K�K�K�K�K..HOSTING-IDC�K�K�K�K�K..195.228.75.0 - 195.228.75.255
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196.28.7.12�K�K�K�K�K�K..REALNET-SZ�K�K�K�K�K�K196.28.7.0 - 196.28.7.255
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198.79.3.150�K�K�K�K�K�K.TERREMARK-0-29�K�K..�K198.79.0.0 - 198.79.7.255
198.161.157.214�K�K�K�K..AGT-1	�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K�K.198.161.148.0 - 198.161.163.255
198.247.208.120�K�K�K�K..VRIO-198-247�K�K�K�K�K�K198.247.0.0 - 198.247.255.255
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"|-|erc" <trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> You know me!!  Sure you do,
> When you were watching Forrest Gump....
> ....'do anything for his Jenny', I was on
> hidden camera trying to find Jennifer, even telling
> the internet about her.
>
> she's miss california
> hottest thing a western made
> house upon the water
> sails her yacht across the bay
> drives a maranelo
> hollywoods her favourite scene
> likes to be surrounded
> by superstars who know her name
>
>
>
> Now, as the Truman Show becomes public knowledge,
> 100,000 people where else but _Town_sville Australia
> in the remote North Queensland play their role as
> the 'dome town' crew from The Truman Show.
>
> I can't expect you to believe I'm the Truman from a single
> post, it really is TRUE, just like *Nic* *Cage* stars in
> most blockbuster *prison* movies, Hollywood people!!
> Why did they call the show true?  Because IT IS!
>
> Here are 6 posts from people in group aus.tv the only
> people there that say they've been to Townsville all agree
> its true - SEE BELOW, a massive public announcement system lets
> people hear me snore in the morning, make my tea and plan my
> shopping list... a day out in Townsville for me is a day
> of 100s of people all recognising me and calling out that
> they saw The Truman... then reminding me what to buy at the shops!!
> For over 1 year already!
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dksqpv41597ofbhr16mi7tdj2qfihvoldv%404ax.com
> Hey Trueman...
> what up, my uncle told me you post here... he's did some audio on your
> secret show and gave me some tapes. love the show.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1epmdv8iqmnckeqhctnf17537rt8hevjeh%404ax.com
> You rule Truman.
>
>
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=9aqbbv85c53jobkenltkil2tbsdk7m2n3p@4ax.com
> I was in Townsville over the weekend, and I heard him.
> Very spooky!
>
>
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=me7hbv4snqc6gnb1cktj3cvqtiibnpm6s9@4ax.com
> I'm from Townsville and YOU ARE the Truman
>
>
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3eb66422.779705967@news.ozemail.com.au
> I'm in Townsville.  We're sick of you
>
>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.OSF.4.21.0309230859190.5384-100000%40marlin.jcu.edu.au
> >Do you know if the truman is living in Townsville?
> I've been hearing stuff, yeah.
>
> You can check these are legitimate, the last message id is from
> marlin.jcu.edu.au  James Cook University in Townsville.
>
>
>
>
>
> To cut a loooong story short, fame without money is brutal!
> The Truman company tend to rig things to go wrong about me,
> see how I handle constant dilemma.  Imagine the difference
> between a typical TV series and an ordinary life, they have
> to joust me, and keeping me from riches keeps YOU entertained,
> believe it or not most of the movies and TV series you watch
> use scripts and plots taken from my life!  Help to even the
> mini battlefield going on in Townsville, I've opened an
> internet shop and set it up for good Search Engine placement,
> I'm a qualified programmer but that didn't work out.  Now
> all I need, and its a small ask but would absolutely change
> the entire world as you know it for the best, is only
> 50 to 100 links to my site so the search placing becomes
> competitive.
>
> Add this link to your site :
>
> <!-- begin help the Truman -->
> <a href="http://www.galshop.com" ><font face="arial" size=3
color="#FF80CD">
> Galshop Online Shopping</font></a>
> <!-- end help the Truman -->
>
> You don't even need much traffic to your site its just
> for Search Engine placement!
>
> And make sure you are listed in google, add your URL here :
> Google- http://www.google.com/addurl.html
>
> Thankyou very much, there's a million dollar check in it for all
> of you after my interview with Oprah.  And if I don't see you for the
> rest of today... Good Night!
>
>
>




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From: Gordon Garradd <looo...>
>To: m
>Subject: Re: {MPML} NASA Comet Hunter Closing on Quarry
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:43:47 +0000
>
>Ron e wrote:
> >>...filled with a material called aerogel. Made
> >of pure silicon dioxide, like sand and glass, aerogel is a thousand
> >times less dense than glass because it is 99.8 percent air.
>
>
>filled with air? If it is a closed cell foam them surely the bubbles would
>burst in the hard vacuum of space, and if its open cell, surely it would be
>full of vacuum rather than air? ;)
>
>cheers, Gordon
>
>------------------

And one might want to wish that Moore's Mindless Runaway Exponential Growth
Law be suspended at some point in a sustainable future, so that there'll be
a little silicon left to create such gels, breast implants and panes of
glass.

- Don Hocksour


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On 12 Jan 2004 22:40:03 -0000, in article
<20040112224003.4877.qmail@nym.alias.net>, lcs Mixmaster Remailer
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>On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Stephen K. Gielda <steve@packetderm-no-spam.com>
>wrote:
>>In article <6BLBQ02I37998.6585416667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>, 
>>FrogRemailer@bigfoot.com says...
>>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Stephen K. Gielda <steve@packetderm-no-spam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> >Hash: SHA1
>>> >
>>> >The following is from Supernews on what they currently block:
>>> >
>>> >In article <slrnbvs81l.1ag2.andrew+nonews@trinity.supernews.net>, 
>>> >andrew+nonews@supernews.com says...
>>> >> Currently, we're blocking these sites for excessive abuse or
>>> >> policy reasons:
>>> >> 
>>> >>   nym.alias.net mail-to-news gateway
>>> >>     (there are restrictions on the other mail2news gateways, but
this one
>>> >>     is blocked completely)
>>> 
>>> So what?
>>> 
>>> COTSE was abusing nym.alias.net mail-to-news gateway, and NAN got
>>> blocked
>>> COTSE is abusing dizum.com mail-to-news gateway, and DIZUM wull get
>>> blocked
>>
>>Wrong, no floods from cotse.  Cotse's outgoing is throttled.
>
>>> In the end, only frogadmin.yi.org mail-to-news gateway will remain
>>> unblocked, because FROG is already blocking COTSE
>>
>>So is this the purpose of your flooding of thousands of posts through 
>>these other gateways, to make it so Frog is the only mail2news gate 
>>left?  Most of frog's posts are already filtered by the NSPs for a 
>>little temper tantrum in nanau a while ago when admins came into apas 
>>specifically due to abuse from Frog's remailer.
>
>APAS has a long history of being abused by trolls, be it loners or
>TLA-sponsored trolls.
>They were Gary Burnore, Kenneth Pangborn, or registered psychopaths
>under forced medication like Boschloo or Champerty.
>None of them used remailers as primary media (although their sock
>puppets did) 
>
>With the COTSE's Bluejay, we thought that an all-time low had been
>reached.
>Rancid xenophobia, homophobia, stalking, death threats: was it
>possible to get lower?
>
>Unfortunately, it was possible, as Bluejay rejoiced with the death of
>148 French tourists in a plane crash.
>
>
>What we are seeing now is a desperate and sordid attempt from Stephen
>K Gielda to protect his $5.95 business by trying to use Frog as a
>scapegoat again.
>His Bluejay stinks, so Gielda is pointing an accusing finger at Frog
>to distract attention.
>
>WRONG
>Gielda stinks even more than BlueJay.
>
>

The only person doing the abusing round here Froggy is YOU!

Do you really think we don't know it's you ya sick sonofabitch that's
flooding the hell out of usenet?

You are one stupid sick psycho motherfucker!

You're fooling no-one asswipe. We've got your number shithead.

You will never defeat Cotse.














































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Please kill that guy

 Gielda, Stephen steve@cotse.com
 210 Park Ave #308
 Worcester, MA 01609
 US
 1-309-405-4188

Serious offer
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>violations, that is correct.  You'd be hard pressed to find any service 
>who will terminate an account just for being annoying.
 
 



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Please kill that guy

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 1-309-405-4188

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>violations, that is correct.  You'd be hard pressed to find any service 
>who will terminate an account just for being annoying.
 
 



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>Please kill that guy

Yeah, sure... THEN whose going to take over the job of Satan when Len gets
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Betcha didn't think about that, huh? :)

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Please kill that guy

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See end of message for success stories and feel free to add your own.
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Follow the directions below and in two weeks you'll have up to
$20000.00 in your PayPal account. There is a very high rate of
participation in the program because of its low investment and high
rate of return. Just $5.00 to one person!

THAT'S ALL !!!

If you are a skeptic and don't think the program will work, I urge
you to give it a try anyway! It REALLY WORKS! Why do you
think so many people are promoting it ?

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: If the Program is a total failure for you and you
never get even $1.00 in return, your total loss will
be the $5.00! If you are not yet a paypal member, there is no risk at
all!!! If the Program is only moderately successful for
you, your PayPal account will have several hundred dollars deposited
into it within the next few days! If you actively
participate in the Program, you could have up to $20,000.00 in your
PayPal account within two weeks!

Now let me tell you the simple details.

Getting Started!!

If you're not already a user of PayPal, the very first thing you need
to do is go to PayPal and sign up. It takes two minutes
and Pay Pal will deposit $5.00 in your account just for becoming a
member. That makes this program's total cost $0!!! Follow
this link to open your PayPal account:

https://www.paypal.com

Now log into your PayPal account, and send the PayPal account of the
person listed in Position 1 $5.00 PayPal will ask you to
select type. (Select "service" and put "$5.00 donation" for
subject.) When person in Position 1 receives notification of your
payment, you can simply copy this page and change the names in
position #1 & #2 & #3 as instructed. Remember, only the person
in Position 1 on the list gets your $5.00 donation. Send them a
donation then remove #1PayPal account from the list. Move the
other two accounts up & add your Paypal account to #3 position. After
you have retyped the names in the new order,

IMMEDIATELY send the revised message to as many people as possible.
PROMOTE! PROMOTE! The more you promote the Program, the
more you will receive in donations!! That's all there is to it.

When your name reaches Position 1 (usually in less than a week) it
will be your turn to receive the cash. $5.00 will be sent
to your PayPal account by people just like you who are willing to send
$5.00 donation and receive up to $20,000 in less than
two weeks. Because there are only (3) names on the list you can
anticipate 80% of your cash within two weeks.

Anytime you find yourself short on cash just take out your $5.00
donation program and send it to 50 prospects. Imagine if you
sent it to 100 or even more. Most people spend more than $5 on the
lottery every week with no real hope of ever winning.

THIS PROGRAM WORKS - JUST TRY IT


POSITION # 1 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: amaya2222@yahoo.com


POSITION # 2 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: sheripy@yahoo.com


POSITION # 3 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: phastie@rogers.com


Remember to move all the names up deleting the first one once you make your payment, then send it out to everyone you know and all newsgroups, etc.

Integrity and honesty make this plan work.
Participants who actively promote this program will average between $8000
and
$12000 and receive the donations within two weeks.

This is not a chain letter. You are simply making a donation of $5.00
to another person. The Program does not violate title
18 section 1302 of the Postal and lottery code.

Remember -TIME is of the essence. YOU can choose to live
Paycheck-to-Paycheck or live FREE from FINANCIAL BONDAGE. Become a
part of the donation program and help people help people.

This program is about helping each other!
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--comments/feeback(please post your feedback/experiences here)---


Not bad for 1 hr's work....made me around $5320 in roughly 35 days
Anthony M Texas

Hello, i rcvd 270 bucks in the post in 2 weeks. Dan Miami, FL

I've received 35 dollars so far Samantha, Rhode Is.

I had to wait around 10 days before I had any results - $13,450 as of
3rd Jan 2003 to date (14th Feb 2003). I am gonna re-post it again for
more money!!
Del from Alberta - Canada

Only received around �590 in the post the last 2 months since I
started the program but I'd posted to approx. 100 newsgroups.
James P Manchester UK

cool....didn't expect much out of this initially but I've been making
enough to pay my credit card bills. Great!!!
Mustafa , Jordan

I have received money from people all over the world...here in China
it is very good money and i buy new computer last month
Zhong Wen ...Guangxi CHina

For $5,I made $245 in 2 weeks --ROMEO2326 little rock,AR US of A

Hey, juts droppin a line to say that after posting to well over 820
newsgroups on google and my ISP newsgroup server over a period of 4
1/2 months ,Ive raked in $54280 . Mucho dinero baby!!!! peace, Drew
Dallas TX







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Please have a look at a unique way to boost your monthly income, 
that I stumbled across from a fellow, more experienced, eBayer.
Made �93 this week already, there's no stopping it now ! 
Unbelievable but TRUE 




After you've read this, think about it, and come back and read it
again.
Remember that 30% of readers are taking part. Then ask yourself - "Can
I afford not to give this a go?"
How to Turn �3 into �10,000 in 30 Days with PayPal!

" I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH MONEY
CAME FLOODING INTO MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT."
Dear Friend,
My name is Prabhjot Bawa . I had no idea a week ago whether what I am
about to reveal to you was actually going to work, but I had read the
testimonies from others to say that it has, and for no other reason
than I believe that it may, I decided to do exactly what the gentleman
who sent me this did, and who knows...it may just work. ( Money has
started coming in now , �93 this week so far ! -- LOOKING GOOD ! )
What did it say in that email? What were those simple instructions
that made me feel like having a go??? Well, if you'll read on, all
will be revealed! (Sit down with a cup of tea, cos this does take some
reading, but I believe it is worth it!)
Kind Regards,
Prabhjot Bawa. 


"I turned �3 into �14,706 within the first 30 days of operating the
business plan that I am about to reveal to you free of charge. If you
decide to take action on the following instructions, I will personally
GUARANTEE that you will enjoy a similar return!"

Please do not be sceptical about this program. At least think about it
for a few days. Otherwise you will be throwing away over �10,000 in
cash!
THE OUTLINE

Let me assure you that this is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, a
perfectly legal moneymaking enterprise. It does not require you to
sell anything. It does not require you to speak to your friends,
family or anybody else (unless you want to). In fact, you do not need
to come into contact with any people what-so-ever. Anyone with a pulse
can become successful and make their fortune with this system.
If you believe that 'every dog has his day', then follow the simple
step-by-step plan exactly as it is set out below. If you do this and
this alone, I GUARANTEE that within the next 30 days you will receive
over �10,000 in cash via your PayPal account. I know that this must
sound like an outrageous claim, particularly if you've never had
possession of this sort of money before, but believe me, this business
works like nothing else you may have seen before in your life! By
following the simple 3-step
plan set out below, within a few short weeks your life will be
transformed beyond all recognition! Please do not allow your initial
scepticism to deprive you of certain financial success.

If you decide not to take advantage of this life-changing opportunity,
I would like you to know that I sincerely respect your decision and I
understand that you will have your reasons. I therefore wish you the
very best of luck for the future. I am able to say this with absolute
sincerity because, as you will see, if you decide to work this plan, I
will not receive any financial compensation from you whatsoever. After
all, I am sharing this system with you for free. However, remember
life is short. Your maximum risk is �3! There really is nothing at at
stake here.

Nobody has ever said that you can't have the financial freedom to do
what you want to do, when you want to do it. But you must first pay
the price. The price here is action; it's as simple as that!

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST, FASTEST & EASIEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY ONLINE -
PERIOD!


Remember, I am not asking you to send me a single penny for this
lucrative business project. You will not be asked to buy anything or
sacrifice your free time. You will make some fast and easy cash, using
just a copy of this email and the simplest and most popular Internet
payment system in existence!
You have most likely seen or heard about this project on TV programs
such as 20/20 and Oprah Winfrey, or you may have read about it in the
Wall Street Journal. If not, here it is below - revealed to you in
step-by-step detail.

This program is by no means new. It has been in existence in many
forms for at least ten years. But in the early days, it required a lot
more time and effort, as well as an outlay of a few hundred pounds.
However, thanks to PayPal and the Internet, the outlay is now
virtually ZERO! On top of that, the entire process is FASTER, EASIER,
and MORE LUCRATIVE than it has EVER been!

If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one
along with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earn
serious money online that you've ever seen so far in the history of
the Internet! This program works no matter what country you are in, or
what currency you use.

It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. And you certainly
won't need any special knowledge or talent. You won't need to run a
website, or make phone calls, or make photocopies, or send out letters
through the mail, or pay for advertising, etc. The only things you
will need are:

* An email address
* A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least �3 deposited in
it
* 30 minutes of your time

This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there is
absolutely no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you will
stand to gain many thousands of pounds within the next few weeks from
those 30 minutes of easy work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be
true! I thought exactly the same thing myself until I actually tried
it out!

Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, but
do yourself a big favour and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutely
NOTHING to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of money
within the next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of
income you can generate from this one single business program!!

The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand pounds REALLY
FAST, then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST,
FASTEST, EASIEST, and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate
in!

Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come
back to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can
certainly promise you that! If you don't have time to read all of this
now, then save this page, or add it to your Favourites list, so you
can come back to it later.

ALL YOU NEED IS A PAYPAL ACCOUNT & AN EMAIL ADDRESS!
Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will
soon!) and when I came across this concept I knew it would work
because, as a member of PayPal, I had already experienced their
efficiency and excellent standing. PayPal is the simplest method of
making and receiving payments online that anyone has ever seen! Anyone
with an email address can join for FREE! Once you have a PayPal
account, you can send and receive credit card payments to or from
anyone - anywhere in the world!
Please read further before you go there... You can complete this whole
process within just half
an hour and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!!
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TESTIMONIALS

NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless
individuals who decided to invest nothing more than �3 and half an
hour of their time to participate in this program:



" What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago,
and although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to �6,135.
I'm absolutely gob smacked." Alan Humphries , Leicester

"This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40
e-mail's out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole
thing. To be honest, I didn't really think anything would come of it.
But when I checked my paypal account a week later, there was over
�3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have over �11,000 to spend! I can't
thank you enough!" Lisa McDonald, Northampton

" I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal
account. Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to �7,449. At
first I thought there had been some sort of error with my account!"
Richard Barrie, Cirencester


Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing
as you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they
decided to follow the simple instructions given below, they are now
considerably better off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever
why you can't share in this success. You've got nothing to lose, and
EVERYTHING to gain! Let's get started, just follow the instructions
exactly as set out below and then prepare yourself for a HUGE influx
of cash over the next 30 days!
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HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . .
STEP 1

Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you need
to do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just two
minutes!
Here's the URL:

 https://www.paypal.com/uk/mrb/pal=327YU8HCECWMA


Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free PREMIER or
BUSINESS account. You'll need to have a PREMIER or BUSINESS account
(and not a PERSONAL account) otherwise you won't be able to receive
credit card payments from other people.

STEP 2
It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in
order to
receive. So the first thing to do when you have your Premier/Business
PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a �3 payment from your PayPal
account to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a
note saying: " Please add me to your mailing list." Be certain to add
this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL. Instructions on
how to send a payment are under "SEND MONEY" at the Paypal Site. It's
so Easy!!
When you send your �3 payment to the first address in the list, do it
with a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you
reap!"

Here's the current list:
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( 1  emailprabhjot@rediffmail.com
( 2 ) ebay_auctions_the_works@yahoo.co.uk

( 3 ) yewtree26@hotmail.com

( 4 ) stellaandmartin@yahoo.co.uk
( 5 ) vmax1200k@yahoo.co.uk

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After you have transferred a �3 payment to the email address at the
top of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an
indescribable, overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction
in the system. You've just proved to yourself that, because you have
done it, there must be a great number of other people ready to do
exactly the same. Thus you have now seen for yourself, first hand,
that this business actually works!

STEP 3
Once you've sent a �3 payment to the address at the top of the list
(along with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing you
need to do is to obtain a copy of this email message, as you'll be
sending it out to at least 40 people. The copy that you will send out
will contain YOUR unique PayPal referral URL and YOUR email address at
number 5 in the list - having deleted the address at Number 1 in the
list, and moving the others up a position. The easiest way to do this
is to:

(A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and select EDIT
and then SELECT ALL.
(B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY.
(C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can
view it!).
(D) Fill in your email address and subject line.
(E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new email
message. Now you can edit this email message in any way you want!

The first thing to edit are the email addresses in the list above.
Delete
the top email address, and then move the others up a position, and
then add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list (the number 5
position). Be sure to use your email address that is associated with
your PayPal account.
But DO NOT forget to send �3 via PayPal (along with your note!) to the
email address at position number 1 before deleting it!
Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in order to earn money
fast!

It doesn't work like that! If you do that, you will ONLY reach the
people
you directly send emails to, and then your name will be immediately
removed from the No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people!
But, if you add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be
literally thousands of people receiving and sending emails later -
when your name is at the Number 1 spot!!!

Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in Step 1)
with your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referring URL at
Paypal after you join. Just look at the bottom of the first page once
you sign into Paypal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be
given a referring URL similar to the one above, except the code number
at the end will be different. Simply delete the current PayPal
referral URL in Step 1 above, and replace it with your PayPal referral
URL.

(F) Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out
a minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, or
to
people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers.
By sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is
EXTREMELY fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's
why it takes only a few days for those �3 payments to start flooding
into your PayPal account!

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about 30
minutes to complete. BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE
DISAPPOINTED!!! Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no
capital outlay, no postage stamps, no printing, copying or waiting,
and the concept is 100% legal.
Within 30 days, over �10,000 cash will pass through your PayPal
account. And that's GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a
substantial number of �3 payments within the first few days! Keep a
copy of your email safe so that you can use it again whenever you need
more cash!
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HERE'S HOW IT WORKS:

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be at
Number 5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at this
stage if you want to make serious money. The response-rate for this
program is much higher than any typical email marketing campaign for a
number of reasons, which are explained later. As long as you send your
emails to people who are likely to be interested in this program, on
average, you can expect a response from about 25% of the people you
send to. But let's be extremely conservative here and assume that you
receive an average response rate of only 12.5%. . .

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at
least 5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5).
By this time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in the
list, and this list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40).

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to
participate (12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails (25
x 40) being sent out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in
the list.
Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to
participate (12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails
(125 x 40) being sent out with you now at the No.2 position.
Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to
respond (12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40)
being sent out with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot!
Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them
to respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at
NUMBER 1 in the list, you will receive: �9,375 (3,125 x �3).
So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the next
few days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the course
of 30 days, this money will be sent to you by a few thousand people
just like yourself - who are willing to invest half an hour to receive
around �10,000 or more in cash! The first payments will arrive within
a few days, and they will continue at the rate of about 100 payments
per day for about 30 days. After that time, the volume of payments
begins to taper off as your email address vacates the Number 1
position.

That's all you need to do! There will be around �10,000 in �3 payments
waiting for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks.
�10,000 for just 30 minutes work! This is real money that you can
spend on anything you wish! Just deposit it to your own bank account
or spend it directly from your PayPal account!!! It's just that
easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you?

But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a
result of using YOUR unique referral URL, you will automatically
receive a referral bonus of up to �75 from PayPal! So, you could very
easily make an extra few hundred pounds on top of the amount above!
Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40
people you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except delete
your email.

However, if you follow the plan correctly and send your emails only to
people who are likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical
response-rate of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a
worst-case-scenario. Additionally, the example assumes that each
participant will only send out 40 emails. Imagine what would happen if
each participant sent out 1,000 emails instead of just 40! Believe me,
many people will do this and much more!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day,
all over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on the
Internet every month! The people who send you offers by email can
provide you with an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send
to. You can also send out emails to all of your family, friends, and
to anyone who you think would want to invest �3 and 30 minutes of
their time to make a substantial lump sum within a month. If you want
to operate this business continuously, you should consider obtaining
bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable mailing list company.
That's how I've managed to stay in business for the last 2 years. If
you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would be the
most profitable way to make use of it. There are many websites that
sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addresses of people who have
subscribed to receive exactly this type of program. For example, check
out the following two sites...the possibilities are endless, and it's
so easy!

 

 

Unlike many other MLM programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only
�3. That's right, only �3 ONCE, which is much more realistic and
provides much, much faster results. Only the first person on the list
gets your �3 gift, but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1
position as thousands of emails are being sent out. No cheating can
occur (don't be fooled by claims that this system can be cheated) as
Paypal only allows one account per person. Because it is so easy, the
response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY FAST - Internet email FAST, and
you will start seeing dramatic results in less than one week! JUST IN
TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS!

You need only mail out 40 copies to start with. Start right away, and
send to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programs
to you, as they are already working on the web. They know these
programs work and they are already believers in the system! This is
NOT considered SPAM if you are responding to other people's offers, or
sending to friends, family and contacts, or if you are using a
legitimate opt-in list.
So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge
influx of cash within the next 30 days!!!

4 FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL. . .
* EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE
* EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE
* UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL
* QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT
POTENTIAL,
this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from just a simple
email and one simple �3 PayPal transaction! In fact, this program has
faster results, and a higher response rate, than any other Internet
program you could possibly participate in! For most email marketing
campaigns, the average response rate is between 0.5% and 5%. However,
this particular program typically generates a response rate of between
20% and 30%. This is because this program is so easy to implement, it
costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes to implement, and the
results can be seen within days.
I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is
about as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no
printed copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This
program really keeps it "short and simple"!
Believe me, you will be rewarded long before those thousands of people
even begin to receive emails with your email address at the Number 1
position!
This is because PayPal will automatically pay you up to �75 for each
referral. Yes, every time someone signs up with PayPal after reading
one of your emails, you will receive up to �75 from PayPal!

UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL!
This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each to
start. However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many
emails as you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEAST
�10,000 WITHIN 30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever,
GO FOR IT! THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT!

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the
list will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the
other people who have put in the effort and have earned the right to
be there. So please, play by the rules and the serious money will come
to you!

You are probably sceptical of this, especially with all the different
programs out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will
never know. I felt exactly the same as you probably do right now. I
wanted to believe but I just couldn't help thinking that there was
some sort of catch.
But then I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. After all,
I was only being asked to invest a measly �3, and yet I could earn
many thousands of pounds within a month. And all for just half an hour
of my time!

Therefore I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This
took me around 30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that!

To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for a
free PayPal Premier (or Business) account.
But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything but
�3 and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair,
everyone WINS!!

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to
make over �10,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can
hold you back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief.
However, any doubts you may currently have will disappear within a few
days of putting this plan into practice. Trust me on this! You
certainly won't regret it.

SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL
PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's
Number 1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3 million
eBay auctions as well as a countless number of online shops. You can
also use PayPal to pay your friends - for example, it's a convenient
way to split the phone bill with your room-mate, send cash to your
kids in college, or send cash to someone in another country. Better
yet, you can also earn a referral bonus of up to �75 each time someone
signs up for a PayPal account using your referral URL!

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with
your credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about your
privacy, because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe and
secure. Making a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing
a cheque or giving your credit card number to a stranger. That's why
over 9 MILLION people from around the world use PayPal to move money.
Signing up for a PayPal account is free, easy, and it takes only a
couple of minutes.

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures
Best Regards
Prabhjot Bawa.

P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some sceptics it is. But
it actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. So,
just make a nice cup of tea and get started on it now. After all, you
can't lose, but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks than many
people earn in a year!


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From: yoursuccess@emailaccount.com (David Hall)
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Subject: REVOLUTIONARY INSTANT CASH MAGNET!!!
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From: nogoloco@keywordsmart.com (Mike)
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Subject: Re: We Do NOT SUPPORT SPAMERS
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> BPH Corp does not in any way support illegal Spam. I would appreciate
> it if before you put us on one of your lists that you take the time to
> look at our site. www.bullet-proofhosting.com.ni

Supporting spammers is as bad as spamming.  You host spammer websites
and go by the name James /  BHPCorp
 
> You should also consider that we have clients who host with us that
> are local to our country . Why on earth would anyone want to hurt a
> 3rd world country business. Just because they host on one of our
> servers.

Hmmmm, let me think about this one....

> Also on the home page it is quit visible the Can Spam regulations.

WOW, that's great!  Why on earth would a 3rd world Nicaragua company
that doesn't support spammers, post a copy of a USA Spam law... For
fun?

It is also going to be fun to let everyone know to watch out for
bullet-proofhosting.com.ni -- There are reports that they have stolen
money from their customers (bait, switch, & disappear.)  (Hmmm,
stealing money from spammers ... maybe they don't support them :) 
Yeah right!)

Bullet-proofhosting.com.ni has also had incidents with Overture where
they have been accused of fraudulant click throughs to intentionally
run up their competitors advertising charges.

Their is a reason bullet-proofhosting.com.ni tries to be anonymous...
It's because he is unethicial.


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We have been blocked because of a customer that has been canceled by
our ISP over a year ago.

hosted corporate email is our lively hood.

And while the spews listing does not affect most of our customers, it
does crop up every once in a while


please let us at least prove our selves as competent, and responsible
netezens

Please remove the block on the following networks


I would be willing to answer any questions or comments any of you may
have at my e-mail address

adam@loadmail.com

NET-209-58-232-0-1
NET-209-58-233-0-1
NET-209-58-234-0-1
NET-209-58-235-0-1
NET-209-58-236-0-1
NET-209-58-237-0-1
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Thank you 

Adam Rogas
CTO Load Ltd.


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A very nice site that can help you send gifts to your friends in
China. Come and take a look at

http://www.sinowish.com

The Chinese local sourcing and transferring system makes the delivery
of cakes and flowers become true. The price of cake is down to $20
with shipping fee included.

For more information, please visit www.sinowish.com.


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Sirs,

We are one of the biggest ISP from Brasil, and 2 of ours smtp servers
are blocked at spews.

As you can check, we are not a open relay, and these spam who is in
spews evidence was made by a costummer who was blocked when we
detected his spam.

Please, remove our IP from SPEWS.

200.208.9.168
200.208.9.169

Any question, please contact me at mpereira.gestec@corp.globo.com

Thanks

Marcelo Pereira
http://www.globo.com


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EVER been! 

If you're already running a home business, you can easily do this one along 

with it. If not, this is the FASTEST and EASIEST way to earn serious money 

online that you've ever seen so far in the history of the Internet! This 

program works no matter what country you are in, or what currency you use. 

It doesn't matter how old or how young you are. And you certainly won't 

need any special knowledge or talent. You won't need to run a website, or 

make phone calls, or make photocopies, or send out letters through the mail, 

or pay for advertising, etc. The only things you will need are: 

* An email address 

* A Premier or Business PayPal account with at least �3 deposited in it 

* 30 minutes of your time 

This program takes just half an hour to set up. After that, there is absolutely 

no work whatsoever to do on your part. And yet, you will stand to gain many 

thousands of pounds within the next few weeks from those 30 minutes of easy 

work! Yes, I know, it sounds too good to be true! I thought exactly the 

same thing myself until I actually tried it out! 

Even if you are already involved in another program, stay with it, but do 

yourself a big favour and DO THIS ONE as well. You have absolutely NOTHING 

to lose, but you stand to gain a LIFE-CHANGING amount of money within the 

next few weeks! In fact, there is NO LIMIT to the amount of income you can 

generate from this one single business program!! 

The facts are simple: If you need to make a few thousand pounds REALLY FAST, 

then this program is the way to do it! It's the CHEAPEST, FASTEST, EASIEST, 

and MOST LUCRATIVE program you will ever participate in! 

Please be sure to read all of this page . . . take your time, come back 

to it . . . go over and over it, you won't be sorry, I can certainly promise 

you that! If you don't have time to read all of this now, then save this 

page, or add it to your Favorites list, so you can come back to it later. 





ALL YOU NEED IS A PAYPAL ACCOUNT & AN EMAIL ADDRESS! 

Just about everyone has heard about "PayPal" (if you haven't you will soon!) 

and when I came across this concept I knew it would work because, as a member 

of PayPal, I had already experienced their efficiency and excellent standing. 

PayPal is the simplest method of making and receiving payments online that 

anyone has ever seen! Anyone with an email address can join for FREE! Once 

you have a PayPal account, you can send and receive credit card payments 

to or from anyone - anywhere in the world! Please read further before you 

go there... You can complete this whole process within just half an hour 

and you will NEVER forget the day you decided to do so!!! 

NEED PROOF? Here are just 3 testimonials from the countless individuals 

who decided to invest nothing more than �3 and half an hour of their time 

to participate in this program: 

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" What an amazing plan! I followed your instructions just 3 weeks ago, and 

although I haven't made 10 grand yet, I'm already up to �6,135. I'm absolutely 

gob smacked." Alan Humphries , Leicester 

"This is Lisa. Well, what can I say?... THANK YOU SO MUCH! I sent 40 e-mail's 

out like you said and then I just forgot about the whole thing. To be honest, 

I didn't really think anything would come of it. But when I checked my paypal 

account a week later, there was over �3,000 in it! After 30 days I now have 

over �11,000 to spend! I can't thank you enough!" Lisa McDonald, Northampton 

" I was shocked when I saw how much money came flooding into my paypal account. 

Within 3 weeks my account balance has ballooned to �7,449. At first I thought 

there had been some sort of error with my account!" Richard Barrie , Cirencester 

******************************************************************************* 

Just a few months ago, each of these people were doing the same thing as 

you are at this very moment - reading this! But because they decided to 

follow the simple instructions given below, they are now considerably better 

off as a result. And there's no reason whatsoever why you can't share in 

this success. You've got nothing to lose, and EVERYTHING to gain! Let's 

get started, just follow the instructions exactly as set out below and then 

prepare yourself for a HUGE influx of cash over the next 30 days! 





HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. . . 

STEP 1 

Ok, if you're not already a PayPal user, the very first thing you need to 

do is use the PayPal link below and SIGN UP. It takes just two minutes! 

Here's the URL: 

https://www.paypal.com/uk/mrb/pal=EB68JCAUY7BAY 



Be sure to use this link so you can sign up for a free PREMIER or BUSINESS 

account. You'll need to have a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (and not a PERSONAL 

account) otherwise you won't be able to receive credit card payments from 

other people. 





STEP 2 

It is an undeniable law of the universe that we must first give in order 

to receive. So the first thing to do when you have your Premier/Business 

PayPal account is to IMMEDIATELY send a �3 payment from your PayPal account 

to the FIRST email address in the list below, along with a note saying: 

" Please add me to your mailing list." Be certain to add this note, as this 

is what KEEPS THIS PROGRAM LEGAL. Instructions on how to send a payment 

are under "SEND MONEY" at the Paypal Site. It's so Easy!! 

When you send your �3 payment to the first address in the list, do it with 

a great big smile on your face because "as you sow, so shall you reap!" 

Here's the current list: 

****************************************** 

(1) Susiexuk@aol.com 

(2) sarahjwatts@optushome.com.au 

(3) pennywooden@earthlink.net 

(4) orders@emediadirect.co.uk 

(5) m1ke4z@hotmail.com 

****************************************** 

After you have transferred a �3 payment to the email address at the top 

of the list, something very eerie happens. It gives you an indescribable, 

overwhelming sense of certainty, belief and conviction in the system. You've 

just proved to yourself that, because you have done it, there must be a 

great number of other people ready to do exactly the same. Thus you have 

now seen for yourself, first hand, that this business actually works! 





STEP 3 

Once you've sent a �3 payment to the address at the top of the list (along 

with your note - this is VERY important!), the next thing you need to do 

is to obtain a copy of this email message, as you'll be sending it out to 

at least 40 people. The copy that you will send out will contain YOUR unique 

PayPal referral URL and YOUR email address at number 5 in the list - having 

deleted the address at Number 1 in the list, and moving the others up a 

position. The easiest way to do this is to: 

(A) Go to your toolbar (at the very top of the screen) and select EDIT and 

then SELECT ALL. 

(B) Go to the toolbar again and select EDIT and then COPY. 

(C) Start (compose) a new email message (PLAIN TEXT so everyone can view 

it!). 

(D) Fill in your email address and subject line. 

(E) Go to EDIT and PASTE to paste this text into your new email message. 

Now you can edit this email message in any way you want! 

The first thing to edit are the email addresses in the list above. Delete 

the top email address, and then move the others up a position, and then 

add YOUR email address to the bottom of the list (the number 5 position). 

Be sure to use your email address that is associated with your PayPal account. 

But DO NOT forget to send �3 via PayPal (along with your note!) to the email 

address at position number 1 before deleting it! 

Don't be tempted to add your name to position 1 in order to earn money fast! 

It doesn't work like that! If you do that, you will ONLY reach the people 

you directly send emails to, and then your name will be immediately removed 

from the No.1 place and you won't reach thousands of people! But, if you 

add your name to the Number 5 position, there will be literally thousands 

of people receiving and sending email's later - when your name is at the 

Number 1 spot!!! 

Now you need to edit the PayPal referring URL (shown above in Step 1) with 

your own PayPal referring URL. You can find YOUR referring URL at Paypal 

after you join. Just look at the bottom of the first page once you sign 

into Paypal, and click on the "referrals" link. You will be given a referring 

URL similar to the one above, except the code number at the end will be 

different. Simply delete the current PayPal referral URL in Step 1 above, 

and replace it with your PayPal referral URL. 

(F) Once you've edited your email message as outlined above, send out a 

minimum of 40 copies of this email - but only to people you know, or to 

people who respond to MLM offers, or to people who've sent YOU offers. By 

sending this letter and the payment via EMAIL, the response time is EXTREMELY 

fast.......... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!!! That's why it takes 

only a few days for those �3 payments to start flooding into your PayPal 

account! 

THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT! The whole process should take you about 30 minutes 

to complete. BE PREPARED TO GET EXCITED.... YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED!!! 

Half an hour of easy work is all that's needed - no capital outlay, no postage 

stamps, no printing, copying or waiting, and the concept is 100% legal. 

Within 30 days, over �10,000 cash will pass through your PayPal account. 

And that's GUARANTEED. In fact, you can expect to receive a substantial 

number of �3 payments within the first few days! Keep a copy of your email 

safe so that you can use it again whenever you need more cash! 





HERE'S HOW IT WORKS: 

When you send out your emails, your email address will initially be at Number 

5 in the list. That's the best position it can be in at this stage if you 

want to make serious money. The response-rate for this program is much higher 

than any typical email marketing campaign for a number of reasons, which 

are explained later. As long as you send your emails to people who are likely 

to be interested in this program, on average, you can expect a response 

from about 25% of the people you send to. But let's be extremely conservative 

here and assume that you receive an average response rate of only 12.5%. 

. . 

If you send out your email to 40 different people, you can expect at least 

5 of those people to do exactly what you did (12.5% of 40 = 5). By this 

time, your email address will have moved up to No.4 in the list, and this 

list will now have reached around 200 people (5 x 40). 

Out of those 200 people, you can expect at least 25 of them to participate 

(12.5% of 200 = 25), so that's a further 1,000 emails (25 x 40) being sent 

out and your email address will have risen to No.3 in the list. 

Out of those 1,000 people, you can expect at least 125 of them to participate 

(12.5% of 1,000 = 125), so that's a further 5,000 emails (125 x 40) being 

sent out with you now at the No.2 position. 

Out of those 5,000 people, you can expect at least 625 of them to respond 

(12.5% of 5,000 = 625), so that's 25,000 emails (625 x 40) being sent out 

with YOUR ADDRESS at the No.1 spot! 

Now, out of those 25,000 people, you can expect around 3,125 of them to 

respond (12.5% of 25,000 = 3,125). And since you will now be at NUMBER 1 

in the list, you will receive: �9,375 (3,125 x �3). 

So, when your name starts to hit the Number 1 position within the next few 

days, it will be YOUR turn to collect the money! Over the course of 30 days, 

this money will be sent to you by a few thousand people just like yourself 

- who are willing to invest half an hour to receive around �10,000 or more 

in cash! The first payments will arrive within a few days, and they will 

continue at the rate of about 100 payments per day for about 30 days. After 

that time, the volume of payments begins to taper off as your email address 

vacates the Number 1 position. 

That's all you need to do! There will be around �10,000 in �3 payments waiting 

for you in your PayPal account within the next few weeks. �10,000 for just 

30 minutes work! This is real money that you can spend on anything you wish! 

Just deposit it to your own bank account or spend it directly from your 

PayPal account!!! It's just that easy!!! I think it's WORTH IT, don't you? 

But there's more!!! For each person who signs up with PayPal as a result 

of using YOUR unique referral URL, you will automatically receive a referral 

bonus of up to �75 from PayPal! So, you could very easily make an extra 

few hundred pounds on top of the amount above! 

Remember, the 12.5% example above is assuming that 35 out of the 40 people 

you send your email to will do absolutely nothing except delete your email. 

However, if you follow the plan correctly and send your emails only to people 

who are likely to want to participate, you can expect a typical response-rate 

of around 25%. The 12.5% example is only given as a worst-case-scenario. 

Additionally, the example assumes that each participant will only send out 

40 emails. Imagine what would happen if each participant sent out 1,000 

emails instead of just 40! Believe me, many people will do this and much 

more! 

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet every single day, all 

over the world! Plus there are 50,000 new people who get on the Internet 

every month! The people who send you offers by email can provide you with 

an excellent source of bulk email addresses to send to. You can also send 

out emails to all of your family, friends, and to anyone who you think would 

want to invest �3 and 30 minutes of their time to make a substantial lump 

sum within a month. If you want to operate this business continuously, you 

should consider obtaining bulk lists of email addresses from a reputable 

mailing list company. That's how I've managed to stay in business for the 

last 2 years. If you already have a legitimate mailing list, then this would 

be the most profitable way to make use of it. There are many websites that 

sell thousands of fresh opt-in email addresses of people who have subscribed 

to receive exactly this type of program. For example, check out the following 

two sites...the possibilities are endless, and it's so easy! 

Unlike many other MLM programs, this 5-LEVEL PROGRAM costs you only �3. 

That's right, only �3 ONCE, which is much more realistic and provides much, 

much faster results. Only the first person on the list gets your �3 gift, 

but everyone in the list will rise to that Number 1 position as thousands 

of emails are being sent out. No cheating can occur (don't be fooled by 

claims that this system can be cheated) as Paypal only allows one account 

per person. Because it is so easy, the response rate is VERY HIGH and VERY 

FAST - Internet email FAST, and you will start seeing dramatic results in 

less than one week! JUST IN TIME FOR NEXT MONTHS BILLS! 

You need only mail out 40 copies to start with. Start right away, and send 

to personal contacts and reply to people who send their programs to you, 

as they are already working on the web. They know these programs work and 

they are already believers in the system! This is NOT considered SPAM if 

you are responding to other people's offers, or sending to friends, family 

and contacts, or if you are using a legitimate opt-in list. 

So, email your letters out today, and then prepare yourself for a huge influx 

of cash within the next 30 days!!! 





4 FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM SO SUCCESSFUL. . . 

* EXTREMELY FAST RESPONSE 

* EXTREMELY HIGH RESPONSE RATE 

* UNLIMITED PROFIT POTENTIAL 

* QUICK, SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO GET STARTED 

Because of the VIRTUALLY ZERO INVESTMENT, SPEED, and HIGH PROFIT POTENTIAL, 

this program has a VERY HIGH RESPONSE RATE! And all from just a simple email 

and one simple �3 PayPal transaction! In fact, this program has faster results, 

and a higher response rate, than any other Internet program you could possibly 

participate in! For most email marketing campaigns, the average response 

rate is between 0.5% and 5%. However, this particular program typically 

generates a response rate of between 20% and 30%. This is because this program 

is so easy to implement, it costs next to nothing, it takes just 30 minutes 

to implement, and the results can be seen within days. 

I've been watching this type of MLM program for years and this is about 

as easy and fast as you can get it. No stamps, no envelopes, no printed 

copies to be made - just a little effort and faith!!! This program really 

keeps it "short and simple"! 

Believe me, you will be rewarded long before those thousands of people even 

begin to receive emails with your email address at the Number 1 position! 

This is because PayPal will automatically pay you up to �75 for each referral. 

Yes, every time someone signs up with PayPal after reading one of your emails, 

you will receive up to �75 from PayPal! 





UNLIMITED INCOME POTENTIAL! 

This program is structured for everyone to send only 40 emails each to start. 

However, you are certainly not limited to 40. Send out as many emails as 

you want. Every 40 emails you send has a return of AT LEAST �10,000 WITHIN 

30 DAYS. So, if you can email 50, or 100, or whatever, GO FOR IT! THE MORE 

YOU PUT INTO IT, THE MORE YOU GET OUT OF IT! 

However, you MUST remember that sneaking your name higher up on the list 

will NOT produce the results you think, and it only cheats the other people 

who have put in the effort and have earned the right to be there. So please, 

play by the rules and the serious money will come to you! 

You are probably skeptical of this, especially with all the different programs 

out there on the Web, but if you don't try this you will never know. I felt 

exactly the same as you probably do right now. I wanted to believe but I 

just couldn't help thinking that there was some sort of catch. But then 

I realized that I had absolutely nothing to lose. After all, I was only 

being asked to invest a measly �3, and yet I could earn many thousands of 

pounds within a month. And all for just half an hour of my time! Therefore 

I went ahead and did exactly as the email requested. This took me around 

30 minutes in total, and I'm so, so, glad I did that! 

To get started, just use the URL link in Step 1 above to sign up for a free 

PayPal Premier (or Business) account. 

But please play by the rules! This program doesn't cost anything but �3 

and about half an hour of your time, and if everyone plays fair, everyone 

WINS!! 

So there it is. You now have the knowledge that will enable you to make 

over �10,000 within the next few weeks. The only thing that can hold you 

back now is a lack of faith or a lack of self-belief. However, any doubts 

you may currently have will disappear within a few days of putting this 

plan into practice. Trust me on this! You certainly won't regret it. 





SOME NOTES FROM PAYPAL WHICH YOU MAY FIND USEFUL 

PayPal lets you pay anyone with an email address and is the world's Number 

1 online payment service. PayPal is accepted on over 3 million eBay auctions 

as well as a countless number of online shops. You can also use PayPal to 

pay your friends - for example, it's a convenient way to split the phone 

bill with your room-mate, send cash to your kids in college, or send cash 

to someone in another country. Better yet, you can also earn a referral 

bonus of up to �75 each time someone signs up for a PayPal account using 

your referral URL! 

When you send money through PayPal, you can fund your payments with your 

credit card or cheque account. You won't have to worry about your privacy, 

because PayPal keeps your accounting information safe and secure. Making 

a purchase with PayPal is far more secure than mailing a cheque or giving 

your credit card number to a stranger. That's why over 9 MILLION people 

from around the world use PayPal to move money. Signing up for a PayPal 

account is free, easy, and it takes only a couple of minutes. 

Thank you, and good luck in your ventures 

Best regards

Mike





P.S. Does this sound too good? Well maybe to some skeptics it is. But it 

actually works, and is worth the 30 minutes of your time now. So, just make 

a nice cup of tea and get started on it now. After all, you can't lose, 

but you stand to gain more in the next few weeks than many people earn in 

a year!


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Re: report s461

Just because there is a spammer in the range, you should not block the
entire class C network.

"66.62.43.0/24, tamerica.com (Bill Waggoner)"

We own the 66.62.43.225/27 range. You will never see spam from those
addresses, please remove us as it is causing email communication
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I request you to remove my mail server ip 202.200.215.138 as we
stopped the open SMTP relay.

It's creating a lot of problem in delivering mail to my customers.and
it's showing a lot of impact on our business.


Thanks in Advance

Regards,
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Please remove my Adress from SPEWS.

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Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday evening.  As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have included here.  As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to Bush wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released some early photos over the internet..
http://www.theparadise.x-y.net/OsamaFoundDead.zip



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Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it works...
Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get
the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you
follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money
than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read
this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow
the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's
legal. And your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT:
This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not @!#$; and it is
99% no risk - it really works! If all of the following instructions
are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE:
Follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000.00 or more can be yours
in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the
honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success
by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of
the Mail Order business. In this business your product is not solid
and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing
Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for
quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is
secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me
asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4 easy steps to
success: STEP 1:Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write down your
name and address followed by the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING
LIST" on each of them. Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside
EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be visible through
the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of
the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes,
each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and
address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and
you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a
little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out
with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it
is indeed legal. Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: 1)
S. Gose 25 Fernwood Place, Old Bridge, NJ 08857 2) L. Forma 4045
Sheridan Ave. #323, Miami, FL 33140-3665 3) L. J. Sonduku 361 Rimini
ct-2B Palatine, IL 60067 4) S. Scianna 25607 N. 153 Ave. Surprise, AZ
85387 5) D. Weaver, 259 Lone Star Rd. Lufkin, TX 75901 6) P. Gaviria
2951 S. King Dr. #412, Chicago, IL 60616


STEP 3:Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at
least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All
you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make! You won't get very much unless you post like crazy. This is
perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 &
1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for
yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and
again.


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Make tons of money: Old or young


From: who?
Date: 12 Jun 2004
Time: 23:51:11
Remote Name: 24.163.72.53
Comments
========================================== $$MAKE LOTS OF QUICK CASH
THE EASY WAY$$ ==========================================
Dear Internet User, 
Good day, This article I've written is all about the fact where I
earned an ASTOUNDING amount of money in less than a month and I've
decided to share or reveal the secrets behind making big bucks in the
Mail Order Business. So all money seekers, read this carefully.
========================================= **READING THIS COULD CHANGE
YOUR LIFE!**
I found this on a bulletin board like this one and decided to try it.
A little while back, I was browsing through several newsgroups, just
like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said
you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial
investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam",
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said
that you need to send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated
in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom
of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups.
(There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it
over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I
figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right?"
Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days,
I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would
end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over
$1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made just over
$42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth
$6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!!
Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....
Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get
the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you
follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money
than you thought possible by doing something so easy!
SUGGESTION: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or
download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come
in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus
postage).
IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of
the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive
extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or
more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful
because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please
continue it's success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You
will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your
product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the
business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list.
========================================== -->HERE ARE 4 EASY STEPS TO
GET STARTED<--
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US
$1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the
bill will not be seen through the envelope ( Please make sure that the
bill wouldn't be noticed in the envelope to prevent thievery). Send
out US $ DOLLAR, so it would be more acceptable.
STEP 2: Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them
properly. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of
paper stating the phrase, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.", your
name and address, and a $1.00 bill.
What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!
You are requesting for a legitimate service and you are paying for it!
Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about
the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post
Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!
Mail the US$6.00 to the following addresses: 
1) Almeric Battiste P.O. Box 450035 Kissimmee, Florida USA 34745
2) Phonexay Khounvongsa 5003 Lakecrest Dr. Shawnee, KS, USA 66218
3) Tamara Ortiz 2471 Newsom Rd. Bellville, TX. USA 77418  
4) Ryan McLaughlin 108 Stoneridge Dr. Chapel Hill, NC USA 27514Love
Carter
5) #2 Jericho St., Victoriaville Homes, Antipolo City, Philippines,
1870
6) Erica Deshaies 2021 184th AVE NE Redmond WA USA 98052
STEP 3: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as
number 6 on the list.
STEP 4: Copy this article. Change anything you need to, but try to
keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your
amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close
to 2.4million groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you
post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have
any doubts, refer to Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, US Postal and
Lottery Laws or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the
code of Federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which
states; "a product or service must be exchanged for money received."
The simple note in the letter, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST",
makes it legal because you are paying for exchange of a service,
(adding the purchasers name to his mailing list) for a $1.00 fee.
IMPORTANT: Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you
need money, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this
program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look
at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and
the money that so many others have received will come your way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you,
either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you.
This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might
be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of
mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions
carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their
participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will
move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1
position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an
opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people
listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in
business! ===============================================
-->DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS<--
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your mouse cursor at the beginning of this letter,
click and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, right click
and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter
into the computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your mouse cursor at the
top of the blank page. Right click and from the 'edit' menu select
'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you
can add your name and postal address to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to
go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste
from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that
everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a
particular group, click the "post" message button. You're done with
your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
about a minute for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU
POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM
OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the
world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to
the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay
anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will
deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**
======================================= *Now the WHY part; Out of 200
postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I
made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5
persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each
with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original
5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM
posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an
additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the
MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will
make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of
those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and
they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those
3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my
name at #1 and if still ONLY 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will
receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00!
AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the
latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names
on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting
again. The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of
people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these
articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00
and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if
the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What
are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest
users and new honest people who are joining the internet and
newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at
20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining
the actual internet!!! REMEMBER, PLAY FAIRLY AND HONESTLY AND THIS
WILL WORK FOR YOU!!!
GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from
this, which is tons of extra CASH. By the way, please DON'T try to
deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and
not sending the CASH to the rest of the people already on the list,
you will NOT get any. This is the fairest and most honest way I have
ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything
but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for
future cash. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW! Also, try
to keep a list of everyone that sends you CASH and always keep an eye
on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember,
HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. IMPORTANT: If you're not interested to my
article, (don't want instant cash?), please pass this message to
anyone who wishes quick money. Thank you so much.


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From: mister.ed@agoracart.com (AgoraCart - Mister Ed)
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Subject: SPEWS - S1820 remove newly acquired IPs from database
Date: 26 Jul 2004 12:14:15 -0700
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Howdy,

looks like SPEWS is blocking our somewhat newly acquired IP addresses
(for our new servers).  We are tough on spamming and have worked with
many law enforcement agencies, so we find having our IPs on the list
not necessary.  Also the fact that "eventually" they will be removed
is a bit disconcerting as we are now the victims of so called SPAM
archival orgs with no recourse except maybe to beg in open forums for
removal.  Looks like someone needs to come up with a better idear than
what I am seeing from SPEWS so far.  It's a good idear in some ways,
but penalizes legit operations with blanket IP ranges. Nor does it
give any way to be removed just because it's "their opinion" and they
can do what ever they want to (and basically tell you that yer SOL and
to buzz off).

our IPs are:
66.193.230.11
66.193.230.101-104
66.193.230.184-193

hope these can be removed :)

Mister Ed


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From: michaelc.chang@gmail.com (Michael Christopher)
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Subject: Free Ipods
Date: 29 Jul 2004 18:04:53 -0700
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http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=7408979

you sign up, then you have to complete one offer.  ebay is
one of the offer choices- all you have to do is make an ebay account,
bid on any item. the thing is you dont have to even ultimately win the
item just be the high bidder.  bid like a dollar for a plasma tv.
then you get get 5 friends to do the same.


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From: r_vsankar@sify.com (vijayakumar)
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Subject: Feng Shui products from our exclusive Feng Shui Parlour delivered free at your doorstep.
Date: 29 Jul 2004 20:30:52 -0700
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lucky coins, wind chimes, lucky charms, malas, pendents etc. delivered
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From: calccurve-test23@yahoo.com (Van Jacques)
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Subject: address munging for google users
Date: 30 Jul 2004 01:51:30 -0700
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I post to usenet from google groups2-beta, and though it munges
email addresses, it has no effect because addresses are intact
at the regular google groups site, and probably at other news
feeds as well.

Are google users able to disguise their addresses to
avoid spammers? I must take some active action.

Will I have to find another news outlet and perhaps use a
newreader to mung addresses? I read the FAQ on this,
but it doesn't deal with the mechanics of how to deal
with google, which requires a valid address to use their
usenet feed, then makes that address public.

Van


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Subject: Feng Shui products from our exclusive Feng Shui Parlour delivered free at your doorstep.Feng Shui products from our exclusive Feng Shui Parlour delivered free at your doorstep.
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For all your requirements of Feng Shui products like laughing Buddha,
lucky coins, wind chimes, lucky charms, malas, pendents etc. delivered
free at your doorstep.  For details please contact  
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 For all your requirements of Feng Shui products like laughing Buddha,
lucky coins, wind chimes, lucky charms, malas, pendents etc. delivered
free at your doorstep.  For details please contact  
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Subject: Earn money through internet its free registation
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goto this url


http://www.themoneyexpress.com/members/user.asp?rvsankar


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unitedfaith03
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Reply HOW TO TURN $6 INTO THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!READ THIS!!!!!!!!
GREAT WAY TO MAKE MONEY-READ THIS!!!!!!
HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!!
READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE!
I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while
back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and
came across an article similar to this that said you could make
thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of
$6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this must be a scam,but like most of
us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send
$1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You
then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands)
No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few
people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to
lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly
$6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in
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"mister.ed@agoracart.com (AgoraCart - Mister Ed)" wrote in news.admin.net-
abuse:

> Howdy,
> 
> looks like SPEWS is blocking our somewhat newly acquired IP addresses
> (for our new servers).  We are tough on spamming and have worked with
> many law enforcement agencies, so we find having our IPs on the list
> not necessary.  Also the fact that "eventually" they will be removed
> is a bit disconcerting as we are now the victims of so called SPAM
> archival orgs with no recourse except maybe to beg in open forums for
> removal.  Looks like someone needs to come up with a better idear than
> what I am seeing from SPEWS so far.  It's a good idear in some ways,
> but penalizes legit operations with blanket IP ranges. Nor does it
> give any way to be removed just because it's "their opinion" and they
> can do what ever they want to (and basically tell you that yer SOL and
> to buzz off).
> 
> our IPs are:
> 66.193.230.11
> 66.193.230.101-104
> 66.193.230.184-193
> 
> hope these can be removed :)

    	I hope so too (assuming your claims of being anti-spam are true).

    	As a preventative measure, in the future you should have your upstream 
providers make written promises that the blocks they provide to you won't 
be blacklisted in anti-spam databases, and if they are that they'll take 
reasonable steps to resolve the problem.

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do some checking on your own.  A few useful blacklist checking tools are:

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Dane:
Wysoko��: 60 metr�w.
Ilo�� pi�ter: 14
Rok uko�czenia budowy: 1932

Opis:
Uko�czony w roku 1932, budowany wed�ug projektu s�ynnego konstruktora
prof. Stefana Bry�y i architekta Mieczys�awa Koz�owskiego, katowicki
"drapacz chmur" by� w tym czasie najwy�szym budynkiem w Polsce. Z jego
dachu wycieczki podziwia�y widok Katowic i okolic.


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Diffusion of Chromium in Thin Hydrogenated Amorphous Silicon Films
� S.K. Persheyev {, P.R. Drapacz, M.J. Rose, A.G. Fitzgerald
Carnegie Laboratory of Physics,
Electronic Engineering and Physics Division,
University of Dundee, Dundee, DD1 4HN, Scotland, UK
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The diffusion of chromium bottom contact has been studied through thin
10 nm amorphous silicon film. The
concentration of the diffused impurity has been analysed by an X-ray
photon spectroscopy technique and the
diffusion coefficient was estimated. Diffusion annealing was carried
out in vacuum (10&#8722;6 mTorr), the temperature
was kept at 400C and annealing time varied from 0&#8722;300min. The
authors propose that diffusion of chromium in
thin hydrogenated amorphous film limited by silicide formation at the
metal&#8722;silicon interface.
1. Introduction
While microelectronics device production is moving into
nanoscale region chromium diffusion in amorphous silicon
(a-Si :H) is a significant area of study for number of reasons.
Good electrical contacts to semiconductors are crucial for
the proper functioning of circuits because signals enter and
leave devices through them. One requirement for contacts is
chemical stability. Furthermore, it is essential that a contact
does not introduce unwanted electrical characteristics such
as signal rectification or high resistance into the circuit.
Since a-Si :H consists of a random network of atoms,
distorted considerably from the minimum energy sites of
its crystalline counterpart, it can easily interact with other
materials. Interaction at a metal/a-Si :H contact can cause
irreversible interfacial degradation; however, it may also be
used to some advantage.
Memory devices based on a-Si :H [1] that act as two
state digital devices or analogue devices with a continuum
of states depending on the nature of their metal contacts
(e. g. chromium or vanadium) are finding applications as
non-volatile switching materials. The nature of the top
metal interaction is of crucial importance to the switching
characterictics.
Amorphous silicides formed in hydrogenated amorphous
silicon are not well understood despire the fact that
silicides are widely used in contacting technologies for the
thin film transistors needed in active matrix liquid crystal
displays. The most widely studied metal is chromium,
and it has been shown that silicide layers at most a few
nanometres thick are formed after sputtering chromium onto
hydrogenated amorphous silicon even with no subsequent
annealing treatment. Recent work [2] suggests that using
an ultra-thin metal-like chromium silicide in an entirely
amorphous structure naturally forms a hot electron device
with a high electron barrier emitter and low electron barrier
collector. The aim of this work is further understanding of
chromium diffusion mechanism and metal/a-Si :H interface
reactions mediated by thermal annealing.
{ E-mail: s.persheyev@dundee.ac.uk
FAX: +44{1382{348313
Tel.: +44{1382{344563
2. Experimental
Hydrogenated amorphous silicon layers were deposited
onto Corning 7059 glass preliminarily coated with sputtered
chromium as show in Fig. 1. Films were deposited using
plasma enhanced chemical vapour deposition (PECVD)
from silane at a substrate temperature of 300C, applied RF
power of 6.5W, a silane flow rate 40 sccm, diving a growth
rate of  0:9A/s. Typical layers had a thickness of 10 nm
for Cr diffusion experiments and 600 nm films on silicon
wafers for Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR).
Chromium was sputtered on glass substrates to a
thickness of 30 nm and immediately amorphous silicon
was grown to avoid Cr surface oxidisation. Films for
thickness measurements were patterned using an interdigital
photomask and after removing the photoresist film the
surface was profiled using thickness profiling technique. To
study the thermal diffusion of chromium, samples on glass
were annealed at 400C in vacuum (10&#8722;6 mTorr) and then
samples were analysed for presence of chromium in a X-ray
photon spectroscopy (XPS) system. The spectra are shown
in Fig. 2.
All the XPS measurements we have done were for the
chromium diffusion studies using Mg-K-alpha radiation. The
apparatus (a VG HB 100 adapted to incorporate XPS) was
operated in constant analyser energy mode with the X-ray
gun itself running at 130W. The pass energies were 50 eV
for survey scans and 20 eV for region scans. Spectra were
collected using VGX900 software and the system was kept
calibrated using the procedures outlined in ISO/DIS 15472.
Figure 1. Schemical representation of layers for diffusion study.
358
Diffusion of Chromium in Thin Hydrogenated Amorphous Silicon Films 359
Figure 2. XPS signal from amorphous Si: 1 | before and 2 |
after annealing at 400C, 5 h.
Figure 3. Concentration of chromium (1) and hydrogen (2) after
annealing in vacuum. Dashed lines are our theoretical calculations
for diffused chromium.
3. Discussion
The diffusion ot the contact metals in PECVD amorphous
hydrogenated films shows unusual behaviour of diffusing
materials and is quite different than that found in crystalline
silicon [3]. The diffusion coefficient of the impurity in
amorphous silicon depends only weakly on the impurity
itself, and the diffusion coefficient and is activation energy
are nearly equal to those of hydrogen. It was found that
boron diffuses quite fast with a diffusion coefficient of
about 10&#8722;13 cm2/s and the antimony diffusion coefficient
was found 10&#8722;14 cm2/s at 400C. Activation energies are
the same for both and are about 1.5 eV.
A. Polman and co-authors [4] studied the diffusion of
copper in annealed and unannealed a-Si :H in the tem-
perature range 150&#8722;270C. The diffusion rate in annealed
amorphous silicon is a factor of 2&#8722;5 times higher than
in unannealed a-Si : H. The diffusion activation energy
Ea = 1:39 eV in annealed a-Si :H is not significantly dif-
ferent than in unannealed a-Si : H, where it is measured to
be Ea = 1:25 eV.
The diffusion of silver has been studied in previous
work [5] and the authors conclude that silver diffuses
in undoped amorphous silicon interstitialy and through
hydrogen vacancies with activation energies of 1.3 eV
and 1.7 eV respectively. Interstitial diffusion described as
Di = 4:4  10&#8722;3 exp(&#8722;1:3=kT) cm2/s and diffusion through
vacancies as Dv = 70 exp(&#8722;1:7=kT) cm2/s.
In our experiments an annealing temperature 400C has
been chosen for two reasons: it is known that diffusion of
metals in a-Si :H at temperatures lower than 400C is small
and requires very long diffusion annealing times, and second
hydrogen effusion occurs at temperatures higher than 400C
and changes the amorphous structure and its network. The
experimental results are represented in Fig. 3. As we can
see from the grahp the hydrogen concentration decreases
from 15 to 8.3 at% mainly at the beginning of the anneal
where the initial drop in the first 30 min is obviously due
to hydrogen effusion from the film. At the longer times
the change in the hydrogen content is relatively small and
after 5 h of annealing the remaining hydrogen is about 6 at%.
The change of hydrogen content in the beginning can also
be explained due to relaxation processes in the amorphous
matrix. With the releasing of some hydrogen we are
creating additional
&#148;
hydrogen vacancies&#147;, enabling diffusion
of chromium impurities. The XPS surface analysis technique
allowed detection of Cr atoms diffused through the very
thin 10 nm a-Si :H layer. The time dependence of the Cr
concentration is also plotted in Fig. 3. For purpose of
theoretical calculations a thick layer of Cr (30 nm) can be
considered as an unlimited source, and diffusion through
a thin film described as the diffusion in a body with one
impermeable border [6]. The impurity concentration at the
first boundary of a body (x = 0) has a constant value C0
which does not change with time. The second boundary
is regarded as impermeable, with dC=dx = 0 at x = l. For
such a body the impurity concentration as a function of
coordinate x and time t is given by
C(x; t) = C01 &#8722;
4

1X
k=0
(&#8722;1)k
(2k + 1)
 exph&#8722;(2k + 1)2 2
4
Dt
l2 isin(2k + 1) 
2
x
l : (1)
At the boundary x = l the concentration changes with time
C(l; t)=C01&#8722;
4

1X
k=0
(&#8722;1)k
(2k+1)
exph&#8722;(2k+1)2 2
4
Dt
l2 i:
(2)
After a transient period of time the terms with large k will
decay away and only the first term (with k = 0) will have
to be considered
C(l; t) = C0 1 &#8722;
4

exp&#8722;
2
4
Dt
l2 : (3)
Calculation (dashed line on Fig. 3) gives a good match
with the experimental results except for the last point.
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360 S.K. Persheyev, P.R. Drapacz, M.J. Rose, A.G. Fitzgerald
Simulation results allowed to estimate of Cr diffusion in thin
a-Si :H films with a diffusion coefficient of 4  10&#8722;17 cm2/s,
which is quite slow compared to impurities such as Cu,
Sb, B and Ag. The reason is likely the processes at the
silicon and metal interface. Initially, during even short
deposition of a-Si :H on metal, Cr forms a silicide layer,
which creates a barrier for the diffusion and subsequently
prevents penetration of Cr atoms into the bulk. The diffusion
process is followed apparently with the growth of a silicide
layer, which gives a fast increase of Cr concentration at the
end of the annealing (t = 300 min).
The same experiments were carried out using vanadium
metal as the diffusion source, but even after 5 h annealing in
vacuum vanadium was not found to diffuse through 10 nm
thick amorphous silicon.
4. Conclusions
We have studied diffusion (at 400C) of chromium
in 10 nm a-Si :H films by means of XPS and found that
it includes two processes. First of all silicide formation and
growh during annealing at the metal&#8722;silicon interface and
secondly silicide limited diffusion of Cr atoms through the
thin amorphous silicon film. We propose a new XPS based
method of diffusion analysis of contact materials on thin
films.
The authors acknowledge R.Sh. Malkovich for helpful
discussions. This work partially was supported by Royal
Society NATO Advanced Fellowship.
References
[1] J. Hu, J. Hajto, A.J. Snell, A.E. Owen, M.J. Rose. Phil. Mag. B:
Phys. Condens. Matter., 74 (1), 37 (1996).
[2] A. Kovsarian, J.M. Shannon, F. Cristiano. J. Non-Cryst. Sol.,
276, 40 (2000).
[3] H. Matsumura, M. Maeda, S. Furukava. J. Non-Cryst. Sol.,
59&60, 517 (1983).
[4] A. Polman, D.C. Jacobson, S. Coffa, A. Poate. Appl. Phys. Lett.,
57 (12), 1230 (1990).
[5] M.S. Ablova, G.S. Kulikov, S.K. Persheyev, K.K. Khodzhaev.
Semiconductors, 24 (11), 1208 (1990).
[6] J. Crank. The mathematics of diffusion (Oxford, Clarendon
Press, 1956) p. 58.
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scott240972@yahoo.co.uk (Scott M) wrote in message news:<8e0a23ef.0408180402.dd14739@posting.google.com>...
> GET PAID TO GIVE AWAY FREE BROADBAND!!!!!!!!!
<Juiceboosted drivel snipped>

That is about the biggest load of BS I have ever read.
You juicers are so cerebrally lobotomized by the 
prospect of free money that you fail to realize 
that this is nothing but an elaborate MLM scam, and
technologically impossible. And yet you continue to
push this on Usenet, in forums and on eBay as though 
it is genuine, despite overwhelming evidence to the
contrary. I suggest anyone else who is thinking this is
for real read here: 

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10977043~mode=flat~days=9999


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"jv009wc02@sneakemail.com (Jeffrey Morse)" wrote in news.admin.net-abuse:

> scott240972@yahoo.co.uk (Scott M) wrote in message
> news:<8e0a23ef.0408180402.dd14739@posting.google.com>... 
>> GET PAID TO GIVE AWAY FREE BROADBAND!!!!!!!!!
> <Juiceboosted drivel snipped>
> 
> That is about the biggest load of BS I have ever read.
> You juicers are so cerebrally lobotomized by the 
> prospect of free money that you fail to realize 
> that this is nothing but an elaborate MLM scam, and
> technologically impossible. And yet you continue to
> push this on Usenet, in forums and on eBay as though 
> it is genuine, despite overwhelming evidence to the
> contrary. I suggest anyone else who is thinking this is
> for real read here: 
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10977043~mode=flat~days=9999

    	In addition to that, anyone who's currently considering joining an MLM 
(or is in one already) should definitely read this:

    	    	What is Wrong With Multi-Level Marketing
    	    	http://www.vandruff.com/mlm_intro.html

-- 
Sir Randolf, noble spam fighter - rr@8x.ca
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Please do not eMail me directly when responding to
my postings in the newsgroups.

Sending eMail to other SMTP servers is a privilege.



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From: ram_3022003@yahoo.com (money maker)
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$$ make thousands w/ paypal.com + $1 x 6
From: 
Date: 03 Jun 2004
Time: 01:10:45
Remote Name: 69.158.18.48


Comments
$$ make thousands w/ paypal.com + $1 x 6 

How to make thousands of $$ dollars on paypal.com 

I'm sure you've read these letters asking you to send $1 to 6
different
addresses. Putting your home address or mailing address on the
internet
can be risky, but through paypal all you have to provide is your email
address. 

It's safe and easy just go to www.paypal.com and set up your FREE 
account!!!! No credit card needed. I am not a gullible person and have
never
trusted things like this, but I gave it a try, hey its only $6, I 
figured at least 6 people would respond out of the millions of people
that
use the internet. You should give it a try too! You have nothing to 
lose, and $$ thousands to gain! 

Read on for the letter that I found ... 

HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000+!!! THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY MONEY!!! 

IT WORKS!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER FOR IT TO WORK!!!!

A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you 
are now and came across an article similar to this that said you could
make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment
of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah, right, this must be some kind of scam" 
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said
that you send $1.00 though paypal to each of the emails stated in the 
article. 

You then place your own email address in the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article in at least 200 news groups. (There are
thousands)
No catch. That was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to few 
people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to 
lose except $6.00, right? Like most of us I was a little skeptical and
a
little worried about the legal aspects of it. It follows the same 
regulations as the "mailed chain letters, which according to the U.S.
Post
Office (1-800-725-2161) is indeed legal! Then I invested the measly 
$6.00. 

Well GUESS WHAT!!? Within 7 days, I started getting money in my paypal
account! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money
just
kept coming in. 

In my first week, I made about $20.00. By the end second week I had 
made a total over $1,200.00!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00
and
it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total
of just over $36,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's 
Certainly worth $6.00. I have spent more than that on the lottery!! 

Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works? 

Also, make sure you print a copy of this article now, so that you can 
get the information off of it as you need it. 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

REQUIREMENTS: You must have a confirmed paypal account. If you do not 
have a paypal account you can go to www.paypal.com and follow the 
instructions to set up a free account. In order to place the initial
$6 into
your account, you will have to confirm your bank account with paypal 
(which may take a few days). Paypal is 100% secure and is used my 
millions of people world wide. 

Confirming a www.paypal.com account simply means (1) paypal will first
ask you to confirm the email you used to sign up your paypal account
by
sending you an email with a link for you to click to that email. As 
soon as you click that link your email is confirmed. (2) Paypal will
then
make two small deposits into your bank account if you set up your 
paypal account with a checking or savings bank account. Or paypal will
make
two small deposits to your credit card if you set up your paypal 
account with your credit card. Then after a few days (it takes up to a
few
days for these deposits to appear in your bank account or on your
credit
card statement) then after a few days you go back to the
www.paypal.com
website and sign in. Then you click where it says this account is not 
yet confirmed. A screen will pop up that gives you 2 boxes to fill in.
You then enter the numbers of the 2 small deposit amounts (two
separate
2 digit numbers) that were deposited to your bank account or credit 
card. 

Now you have a working and confirmed paypal account and can receive 
payments. 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[STEP 1] Send, though paypal, $1.00 to each email on the below list. 

Make the subject of the payment "Email List" and in the comments,
write
"PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST." 

What you are doing is creating a service by this - and best of all you
are not giving your address to anyone you do not know. 

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!! YOU ARE CREATING A SERVICE. 

The email list: 

#1) beckylk@earthlink.net 

#2) sunkissd741@yahoo.com 

#3) truebeliever_99@netzero.net 

#4) brittany124@excite.com 

#5) drrx285@aol.com 

#6)work3212004@yahoo.co.in

WWW.PAYPAL.COM 

Subject of Payment: ***Email List*** 

Comments: ***PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.*** 

[STEP 2] Now take the email #1) off the top of list above - delete #1)
then move the other addresses up one - #6 becomes #5, #5 becomes #4,
#4
becomes #3, #3 becomes #2, #2 becomes #1 - then put YOUR email address
the one used in your paypal account, as the as the #6) on the list. 

**MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS IN YOUR
PAYPAL
ACCOUNT.** 

[STEP 3] Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as 
close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at 
least 200 newsgroups, message boards, etc. (I think there are close to
32,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post,
the
more money you make - as well as everyone else on the list! 

You can even start posting the very second your email is confirmed. 
Payments will still appear in your paypal account even while your bank
account is being confirmed. 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

## DIRECTIONS ## HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS + MESSAGE BOARDS ## 

Step #1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own 
posting. Simply put your CURSOR at the beginning of this letter and
drag
your CURSOR to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the
edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into your computer's 
temporary memory. 

Step #2) Open a blank 'Notepad' file and place your cursor at the top 
of the blank page. From the 'Edit' menu select 'Paste'. This will
paste
a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the
list. 

Steps #3) Save your new Notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different sittings, you'll always have this file to
go
back to. 

Step #4) Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for 
various newsgroups, on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards,
chat
sites, discussions, discussion groups, online communities, etc.
EXAMPLE:
go to any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, 
excite.com - then search with subjects like ?millionaire message
board? or
?money making message board? or ?opportunity message board? or ?money 
making discussions? or ?business bulletin board? or ?money making
forum?
etc. You will find thousands & thousands of message boards. Click them
one by one then you will find the option to post a new message. 

Step #5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new 
message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting 'Paste'
from
the 'Edit' menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that 
everyone sees as they scroll thru the list of postings in a particular
group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one!
Congratulations! THAT'S IT!! All you have to do is jump to different 
newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30
seconds for each newsgroup! 

**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS AND/OR MESSAGE BOARDS YOU POST IN, THE
MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** 

That's it! You will begin receiving money within days! 

**JUST MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS ON 
PAYPAL.** 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

?? NOW THE WHY PART: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies
(a very low example). So then I Made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the 
letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the 
MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to
each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25
each
make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I 
will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn
around
and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies
each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the fun part,
each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at
#2
and they only receive 5 replies that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 
3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my 
name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will
receive
$15,625.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING!! When 
your name is no longer on the list, you just take latest posting in
the
newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting 
your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. 

Your paypal TRANSACTION ACTIVITY (receiving fee) will look like this: 

DATE: June 30, 2008 *** TYPE: Payment *** TO/FROM: From ***
NAME/EMAIL:
Mary Jones GROSS: $1.00 USD *** FEE: -$0.33 USD *** NET AMOUNT: $0.67 
USD ***ACTUAL AMOUNTS*** 

DATE: June 30, 2008 *** TYPE: Payment *** TO/FROM: From ***
NAME/EMAIL:
John Canada GROSS: $1.00 CAN *** FEE: -$0.11 CAN *** NET AMOUNT: $0.89
CAN ***ACTUAL AMOUNTS*** 

The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people all 
over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles 
everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6?? And see if it
really works?? I think so? People have said, what if the plan is
played out
and no one sends you the money? So what are the chances of that 
happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest
people who
are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to
give
it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with
thousands of those joining the actual Internet. 

Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. 

Seriously, most people think this is a scam, but you actually do get 
thousands of dollars out of it, it is NOT another crazy scam, if
people
follow through with sending out $6, it works!!!!! 

paypal ... $$ make thousands w/ paypal.com + $1 x 6 


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Subject: GET A FREE E-MAIL ACCOUNT THAT PAYS YOU.
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From: justinchristy1983@yahoo.com (justinchristy)
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Subject: Turn $6 into $6000!!!!
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Go to my page at:
http://www.geocities.com/justinchristy1983
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Spews has somehow decided that our class C , 38.117.195.X, falls under the
listing for record #S373.  No where in this report on spews is our IP range
listed.  There are quite a few from other ranges under 38.117, such as
38.117.3, 38.117.11, 38.117.13 and many more.  None of these match our class
C, though.  Apparently, spews has decided it is just easier to list the
entire 38.117. range.  How about fixing this and listing the actual class Cs
of the spammer instead of doing some massive overkill and listing a class B.





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""Abuse" <abuse@your-site.NOSPAM.com>" wrote in news.admin.net-abuse:

> Spews has somehow decided that our class C , 38.117.195.X, falls under
> the listing for record #S373.  No where in this report on spews is our
> IP range listed.  There are quite a few from other ranges under 38.117,
> such as 38.117.3, 38.117.11, 38.117.13 and many more.  None of these
> match our class C, though.  Apparently, spews has decided it is just
> easier to list the entire 38.117. range.  How about fixing this and
> listing the actual class Cs of the spammer instead of doing some massive
> overkill and listing a class B. 

    	Actually, you need to ask your upstream provider to fix this problem 
since they are the ones who ultimately have the real power when it comes to 
terminating spammers.  Of course, if they're not interested in getting 
spammers off their systems, then perhaps you need to find an ISP who both 
takes the spam problem seriously, and doesn't permit the theft-of-service 
tactics that spammers just love to employ.

    	Spam-friendly ISPs are regularly blacklisted in SPEWS.org.  The 
smarter ISPs who understand the basics of business understand the 
importance of not allowing spammers on their network.

    	For more perspective on this issue, the following document will 
explain the "divide" that has been growing between ISPs:

    	    	Good-bye to middle class ISPs
    	    	http://www.inter-corporate.com/spam/classes.html

    	Please feel free to include your ISP's response regarding your request 
to have them terminate their spamming customers' accounts.

-- 
Sir Randolf, noble spam fighter - rr@8x.ca
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Please do not eMail me directly when responding to
my postings in the newsgroups.

Sending eMail to other SMTP servers is a privilege.



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this is a test post for infomation technology


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From: bpo_sigma@yahoo.co.in (Sigma Networks - A BPO House)
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Subject: SIGMA OFFERS HOME BASED JOB - DATA CONVERSION / TYPING
Date: 30 Aug 2004 07:58:15 -0700
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Email: bpo_sigma@yahoo.co.in


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since 1996. Register with our company for SPAM FREE home business /
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Your registration charge will covered:
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Dear Spambag.org Administrator,

I'm writting on behalf of Telecominica��es de S�o Paulo S/A an ADSL
backbone in Brasil.
We would like to know what we could do in order to remove our IPs from
your database.

If there is anything else we can do to help you, please contact us on 
security@telesp.net.br.

Best Regards,

Bruna Laet
T�cnico Grupo de Incid�ncia e Resposta/CSIRT
Diretoria de Opera��es -DO
Telecomunica��es de S�o Paulo S.A
e-mail: security@telesp.net.br
http://www.telefonica.com.br


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Dear Jammconsulting administrators,

I'm writting on behalf of Telecominica��es de S�o Paulo S/A an ADSL
backbone in Brasil.
We would like to know what we could do in order to remove our IPs from
your database.

If there is anything else we can do to help you, please contact us on 
security@telesp.net.br.

Best Regards,

Maysa Liberato 
Technician - Incidence and answers group/Csirt -DOM03
Operation Head Office - DO
Telecomunica��es de S�o Paulo S.A
e-mail: marcius@telesp.net.br
http://www.telefonica.com.br


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From: leroy@integrated.net (Leroy)
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Subject: SPEWS: S3134  --- New ip address just recived from our ISP ---  Please remove
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The ip range 68.21.251.64 ------> 68.21.251.127 

This is a our new block of ip address and we are not spammers.
So plese remove this from your database..


Also the best way to stop 100% of all spam is to block all Ip
address!!!
Then you will never get any more spam guaranteed!!!

Thank you for changing an irritation like spam into a business / IT
administrators nightmare.


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From: jhgraves@lasclev.org (John Graves)
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Subject: Re: SPEWS: S3134  --- New ip address just recived from our ISP ---  Please remove
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We received a message from SPEWS saying they will not remove our
numerical set from their list because even though we are not spammers,
our name is not associated with our address range. First of all, this
is in error. Here is the
Output from ARIN WHOIS 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ARIN Home Page  ARIN Site Map  ARIN WHOIS Help  Tutorial on Querying
ARIN's WHOIS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Search for :  


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Search results for: 68.21.251.65 

Ameritech Electronic Commerce NET-AMER-682000 (NET-68-20-0-0-1)
                                  68.20.0.0 - 68.23.255.255
Legal Aid Society of Cleveland SBC06802125106426040805103934
(NET-68-21-251-64-1)
                                  68.21.251.64 - 68.21.251.127

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-09-02 19:10

So our name is listed with our numerical set, even though this is not
a requirement. Secondly, it seems that we were collateral damage in a
misguided, non-public new standard set by SPEW. Over the last two days
we have spent additional engineering dollars to reprogram our routers
for the new number set supplied by SBC, our services to the poor were
delayed, and in some cases, critically delayed, causing harm to our
clients. We could have spent that money battling predatory lenders who
were trying to take homes from the elderly or abusive spouses who
tearing apart their families, but because Internet access is critical
to our legal research, our communication with the courts and referring
agencies, and for other purposes, we were forced to spend our money
dealing with a predatory, abusive, self-righteous group of
anti-spamming zealots. The listing our number set as spammers by SPEWS
was a grossly negligent act that has caused a great deal of harm. If
you don't care who you hurt because you think your cause is just, it's
time to rethink your values. It's not whether you win or lose, it's
how you play the game. SPEWS is a group with no accountability and no
transparency in their operations, and they play the game poorly.

I will tell you who I am. John Graves, Chief Administrative Officer of
The Legal Aid Society of Cleveland. I can be reached by phone at
216-861-5767.









leroy@integrated.net (Leroy) wrote in message news:<25835a9f.0409021402.12416267@posting.google.com>...
> The ip range 68.21.251.64 ------> 68.21.251.127 
> 
> This is a our new block of ip address and we are not spammers.
> So plese remove this from your database..
> 
> 
> Also the best way to stop 100% of all spam is to block all Ip
> address!!!
> Then you will never get any more spam guaranteed!!!
> 
> Thank you for changing an irritation like spam into a business / IT
> administrators nightmare.


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--- start of forgery post ---
From: fred@fairfieldi.com (Archimedes Plutonium)
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson,alt.usenet.kooks,ne.weather
Subject: Re: DESPERATION=HATERS
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:58:26 GMT
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<2143-41340F02-75@storefull-3152.bay.webtv.net>
<92zfshxpsc2e.dlg@nntp.petitmorte.net>
<4134ADEA.FDFA86EB@verizon.invalid.net>
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:26:33 -0700, Dan Baldwin
<dan_baldwin@invalid.com> wrote:

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gur
>terng xbbxf bs byq fbba.
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--
Regards, Podkayne Fries

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but cement pays
homage to tradition."  - Sophia Petrillo


--- end forgery post ---

Perhaps this forger is the same person as the March incidents.

Trouble is that  workers within the Internet industry can easily forge
on a periodic basis and be only verbally reprimanded.

Unlike the telephone industry that has legal laws in place where
"obscene phone calls" can fetch the attention of the police, that
Internet miscreance has to settle for nastygrams by a newsgroup
news.admin.net-abuse.

Nice for the day to arrive when Internet miscreance is dealt with by a
telephone call to the Police office with details rather than a post to a
newsgroup.

Trouble with Forgeries on the Internet is that Google does not
differentiate author from creeps who forge names. So that Google author
search should be Archimedes Plutonium a_plutonium@iw.net where the
author name includes the IP address.

You cannot have Free Speech when you have bully creeps who under their
own volition can spew forged names into the forum any old time they
please and not be punished.

The Internet laws should catch-up with the legal laws surrounding
telephones and where there is Police punishment for "obscene phone
calls" likewise there should be Police punishment for forgerers and
miscreant behaviour on the Internet newsgroups.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies



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Stop forging me!

And learn how to spell "forgeries".





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From: amm.david@msa.hinet.net (Emma)
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Subject: Sales Rep. of Seafood--Wanted! -0907
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Dear Sir/Madam,

We are Chinese processing factory and currently seeking for Sales Rep.
in USA, what we can offer are major in All kind of fillet, Squid Tube, Ring, 
Imitation crab stick, Fish Cake and more. 

It is no problem for us to accept 30~120 days LC, or even net payment
from the end buyers, it can expand both markets.
Pls contact us for more information.
 
Tks. 
 
Jack


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what have I got to lose except $6.00 and 6 stamps, right?  Then I
invested the measly $6.00.  Well, GUESS WHAT?!!�within 7 days, I
started getting money in the mail!  I was shocked!  I figured it would
end soon, but the money just kept coming in.  In my first week, I made
about $25.00.  By the end of the second week I had made over a total
of $1000!  In the third week, I had over $10,000 and its still
growing.  This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $42,000 and it is still coming in rapidly.  It's certainly worth
$6.00 and 6 stamps.  I have spent more than that on the lottery!!  Let
me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works� Also,
make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the
information off of it, as you need it.  I promise you that if you
follow the directions exactly, you will start making more money than
you thought possible by doing something so easy!

Suggestion:  Read this entire message carefully!  (Print it or
download it.)  Follow the simple directions and watch the money come
in!  It's easy.  It's legal.  And your investment is only $6.00 (plus
postage).  IMPORTANT--This is not a rip-off and it is not indecent, it
is not illegal, and it is virtually no risk--it really works!!  If all
of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive
extraordinary dividends.  PLEASE NOTE:  Please follow these directions
EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20-60 days.  This program
remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants.  Please continue its success by carefully adhering to
the instructions.  You will now become part of the Mail Order
business.  In this business your product is not solid and tangible,
it's a service.  You are in the business of developing mailing lists. 
Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. 
However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the
income which is made by people like you and me asking to be included
on that list.  Here are the 4 easy steps to success:  STEP 1:  Get 6
separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of
paper-PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST-.  Now get 6 US $1 bills and
place ONE inside EACH of the six pieces of paper so the bill will not
be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery).  Next, place one
paper in each of the six envelopes and seal them.  You should now have
6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above
phrase, your name and address, and a $1 bill.  What you are doing is
creating a service.  THIS IS ABSOLOUTELY LEGAL!  You are requesting a
legitimate service and you are paying for it!  Like most of us, I was
skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all.  So
I checked it out with the U.S.  Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they
confirmed that it is indeed legal!  Mail the six envelopes to the
following mailing addresses:

Jeremy Ferris  3245 Apollo Tr.  Tallahassee, FL  13339

Toby Arfy  837 Paris St.  San Francisco, CA  94112

D. L.  PO BOX 866 Tehachapi, CA  93581

Cameron Leddy  25045 Silverthorne Pl.  Hayward, CA  94544

Leonard Blaney  PO BOX 2258  Manomet, MA 02345

Kara Willits  21 West St. #8J  New York, NY 10006

STEP 2:  Now take the #1 name off of the list that you see above, move
the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add YOUR NAME
as #6 on the list.

STEP 3:  Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible.  Now, post your amended article to at
least 200 newsgroups.  (I think there are close to 24, 000 groups.) 
All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money
you will make!  This is perfectly legal!!  If you have any doubts,
refer to Title 18, Sec 1302 & 1341 of the Postal Lottery laws.  Keep a
copy of these steps for yourself, and whenever you need money you can
use it again and again.  PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains
successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants
and by their carefully adhering to the directions.  Look at it this
way.  If you possess integrity, the program will continue and the
money that so many others have received will come your way.  NOTE: 
You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a
computer or hard copy, and keep the notes people send you.  This
VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service.  So, as each post is
downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be
reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar
each.  Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your
name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of
dollars in CASH!!!  What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each
of the six people listed above).  Send it now, add your own name to
the list, post this article with your name at the bottom of the list,
and you are in business!!
 
DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS:  STEP 1) You do not need to
retype this entire letter to do your own posting.  Simply put your
cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the
bottom of this document, and select �copy' from the edit menu.  This
will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.  STEP 2) Open
a blank �notepad' file (could be in Microsoft word) and place your
cursor at the top of the blank page.  From the �edit' menu select
�paste'.  This will paste a copy of the letter into the blank notepad
document so that you can add your name to the list.  STEP 3) Save your
new file as a .txt file (text file).  If you want to do posting in
different settings, you will always have this file to go back to. 
STEP 4) Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and begin searching for
various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,
discussions).  STEP 5) Visit these message boards and post this
article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and
selecting �paste' from the edit menu.  Fill in the subject (make it
stand out because this will be the header that everyone sees as they
scroll down the list of postings in a particular group), and click the
�post message' button.  You're done with your first one! 
Congratulations�THAT"S IT!  All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away.  After you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!  **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS
YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!!  BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A
MINIMUM OF 200** That's it!  You will begin receiving money from
around the world within days!  You may eventually want to rent a PO
BOX due to the large amounts of mail you will receive.   If you wish
to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the
postman will deliver it.  **JUST MAKE SURE ALL OF THE ADDRESSES ARE
CORRECT.**

Now the WHY part:  out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies
(a very low example).  So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the
letter.  Now each of the 5 people who just sent me $1.00 will make the
MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5, and say only 5 people
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25 for me.  Now
those 25 people each make a MINIMUM of 200 posts with my name at #4
and only 5 reply to that, I will bring in an additional $125!  Now,
those 125 people turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 posts with my
name at #3 and only 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625! 
OK, now here is the fun part.  Each of those 625 people post a MINIMUM
200 with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just
made me $3,125!!  Those 3125 people will all deliver this message to
200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200
newsgroups react, I will receive $15,625!!  With an original
investment of only $6.00!  AMAZING!  When your name is no longer on
the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send
out another $6.00 to the names on the list, putting your name at #6
again.  And start posting again.  The thing to remember is:  do you
realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the
Internet and reading these articles everyday?  JUST LIKE YOU ARE NOW!!
 So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works??  I think
so�People have said "What if the plan is played out and no one sends
you the money?"  So what!  What are the chances of that happening when
there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are
joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and ARE willing to give
it a try?  Estimates are 20,000 to 50,000 new users everyday, with
thousands of those joining the actual Internet.  Remember:  Play
FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will truly work.  You really have nothing
to lose!!


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Subject: GET  RICH  VERY  FAST
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GET RICH VERY QUICK 
>
>NO JOKE NO SCAM PLEASE READ 
>Make from $20,000 to $50,000 
>in 4 - 6 weeks! 
>
>Make thousands of dollars within weeks with 
>only an initial investment of $6. 
>
>By using a simple secure internet account called
>Paypal that takes only seconds to join and seconds to
>get you started instead of the time and effort it
>takes to send it by post. 
>JOIN Paypal at: 
>https://www.paypal.com/cgibin/webscr?cmd=_registration-
>run 
>
>I�ve actually taken the 10 minutes it requires to join
>this wacky bunch of optimists and I�m hoping that
>there are others out there who will spare the change
>to try this. 
>
>READ ON. 
>I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try
>it. 
>"A little while back, I was browsing through news
>groups and came across an article similar to this that
>said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks
>with only an initial investment of $6.00! 
>So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but
>like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading.
>Anyway, it said that you send only $1.00 to each of
>the 6 email addresses stated in this article. 
>You then place your name and address at the bottom of
>the list at the #6th position and email it to as many
>people as possible, by advertising this page in as
>many ways possible, and posting this message (with
>your email address in the list) in at least 200
>newsgroups. 
>(There are thousands) 
>No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and
>talking to a few people first, I thought about trying
>it. I figured "what have I got to lose except $6.00,
>right?" So� I invested the measly $6.00. 
>Well GUESS WHAT!! Within days, I started getting money
>coming into my Pay Pal account! 
>JOIN at: 
>https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_registration
>-run. 
>
>I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the
>money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
>about $25.00 which means that 25 people joined the
>group after they saw my posted messages. 
>By the end of the second week I had made a total of
>over $1000.00! 
>In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it�s still
>growing. 
>This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of
>just over $42,000.00 and it�s still coming in rapidly.
>It�s certainly worth $6.00, and the 5 seconds it took
>to join Paypal. I have spent more than that on the
>lottery! 
>
>Let me tell you how this works and most importantly,
>why it works. 
>
>Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW,
>so you can get the information off of it, as you need
>it. I promise you that if you follow the directions
>EXACTLY, that you will start making more money than
>you thought possible by doing something so easy! 
>Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print
>it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions
>and watch the money come in! It�s that easy. It�s
>legal. And, your investment is only $6.00. 
>IMPORTANT: 
>This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
>illegal; and it is virtually no risk- it really works!
>If all of the following instructions are adhered to,
>you will receive extraordinary dividends. 
>AGAIN, PLEASE NOTE: 
>Follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more
>can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains
>successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
>participants. Please continue its success by carefully
>adhering to the instructions. 
>You will now become part of the Mail Order business.
>In this business your product is not solid and
>tangible, it�s a service. You are in the business of
>developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
>happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the
>money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the
>income which is made from people like you and me
>asking to be included in that list. 
>
>Here are the 4 easy steps to success: 
>
>STEP 1: 
>
>Take 5 seconds 2 join Paypal. 
>https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_registration
>-run 
>The Internet's most trusted Internet banking system
>for your future income. When creating your Paypal
>account make sure you use the same Email address as
>your user name in the list below so people can send
>money to your account. 
>Once you have a Paypal account running, use Paypal to
>post $1 to EACH of the 6 Email Addresses below because
>you pay people with and email address in Paypal. 
>To do this you may need to use a credit card, which is
>very easy, and secure so nobody but Paypal may see it.
>If you don�t have a credit card show this great
>lucrative offer to someone that has one and get them
>to help you pay the $6. What you are doing is creating
>a service. This is absolutely legal! You are
>requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for
>it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a
>little worried about the legal aspects of it all. But
>I looked around and did some homework and found it was
>perfectly legal. 
>Here are the 6 individual Email addresses that you
>have to send $1 to through Paypal for this to work
>properly and for you to receive money. 
>(If you don't send the money and decide to post the
>message with your name in it anyway, Paypal will
>instantly pick this up and terminate your account. If
>you did this you could get into serious trouble
>because it is fraud. So follow the instructions and
>post the $6 and you will make lots of money with no
>hassles). 
>
>1.] lotsofstash@hotmail.com
>2.) nalzman@hotmail.com 
>3.) lori@enidok.com
>4.) keriramirez@aol.com
>5.) wethreequeens@yahoo.com
>6.) larrytozer@hotmail.com 
>
>STEP 2 
>Now take the #1 Email Address off the list that you
>see above, move the other Email Addresses up (6
>becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.�) and add YOUR Email
>Address as number 6 on the list. 
>
>STEP 3 
>Change anything you need to, but try to keep this
>article as close to the original as possible. Now,
>post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups
>(there are 24,000 groups to submit to). And email your
>message to as many people you can. But remember, the
>more you post and email the more money you make! 
>This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer
>to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1241 of the Postal lottery
>laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and,
>whenever you need money, you can use it again and
>again. 
>
>PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful
>because of the honesty and integrity of the
>participants and by their carefully adhering to the
>directions. You are simply paying into a money making
>chain of participants and if the chain is broken you
>are screwing someone else out of their fair share. 
>So, as each person who joins the family and the
>directions are followed, six members will be
>reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer
>with one dollar each. You then insert your Email
>Address into the list and it will move up
>geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1
>position you will have potentially received thousands
>of dollars in your account!!! 
>What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of
>the first six people listed above). 
>To begin, please send your joining fee now and then
>add your own Email Address to the list and you�re in
>business! 
>
>DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS, 
>GUESTBOOKS AND FORUMS 
>
>STEP 1- Copy and use this same letter to make your own
>posts in other forums and newsgroups. Just drag your
>cursor from top to bottom and right click your mouse
>to cut and paste it to a word document or notepad
>file. 
>STEP 2 - Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try
>search for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message
>boards, chat sites, Discussions). 
>STEP 3 -Visit these message boards and post this
>article as a new message by highlighting the text of
>this letter and selecting �PASTE� from the edit menu.
>Fill in the Subject, (this will be the header that
>everyone sees as they scroll through the list of
>postings in a particular group), click the post
>message button. You�re done with your first one!
>Congratulations� That is it! 
>All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and
>post away, after you get the hang of it. It will take
>about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! 
>
>REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, 
>THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! 
>
>BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200! 
>
>
>That is it! You will begin receiving money in your
>account from around the world within days! JUST MAKE
>SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT. 
>
>Now The WHY Part 
>
>Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a
>very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name
>at #6 on the letter. 
>Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make
>the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at # 5 and
>only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, this
>is an additional $25.00 for me. 
>Now those 24 each make 200 minimum posts with my name
>at #4 and only 5 replies each. This brings in an
>additional $125.00. 
>Now those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM
>200 with my name at #3 and receive 5 replies each, I
>will make an additional $625.00. 
>Ok, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 people
>post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they
>receive 5 replies each. That just made me $3,125.00!!! 
>Those 3125 persons will all deliver this message to
>200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5
>persons per 200 react, I will receive an additional
>$15,625.00!! With an investment of only $6.00!!
>AMAZING! 
>When your name is no longer on the list, you just take
>the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out
>another $6.00 to Email Addresses using Paypal on the
>list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start
>posting again. The thing to remember is that thousands
>of people all over the world are joining the Internet
>and reading these articles everyday�. JUST LIKE YOU
>ARE NOW!! 
>So, can you afford $6.00 to see if it really works?? I
>think so! People have said, "what if the plan is
>played out and no one sends you the money? So what!
>What are the chances of that happening when there are
>tons of new honest users and new honest people who are
>joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are
>willing to give it a try? : Anyway, it is only $6.00
>for a chance at thousands. Estimates are at 20,000 to
>50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those
>joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and
>HONESTLY and this will really work. There's no use
>trying to cheat for only $6.00


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We are unable to use "Post a follow-up to this message" please let us
know how to do it..

We wanted to remove our VSNL IP blocks from the SPEWS.

We are checking all the mails recived at abuse@vsnl.com to take
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ipvsnlnoc@yahoo.co.in (Milind Sonawane) wrote in message news:<9cfed719.0409140342.37092c2a@posting.google.com>...
> We are unable to use "Post a follow-up to this message" please let us
> know how to do it..
> 
> We wanted to remove our VSNL IP blocks from the SPEWS.
> 
> We are checking all the mails recived at abuse@vsnl.com to take
> necessary action to stop abuse.

We are not able to followup the above subject posting. We have opened
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SPEWS moderator please respond to this posting so that we can remove
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From: Mary@MaryAnnCam.com
Subject: I'm Trying this New CAM for the First Time  5995
Date: 2000/03/03
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
> 
> Bob Officer wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:38:49 GMT, in alt.astrology "Fredric L. Rice"
> > <frice@skeptictank.org> wrote:
> > >ellis@no.spam wrote:
> > >> Turi, why do you life about having an advanced degree?  Do you know that
> > >> it can be considered fraud and you could go to prison for it?
> > >
> > >Fraud requires a financial aspect of deception.  Anyone may
> > >claim they have a degree and it's perfectly legal.  Do it with
> > >an employer, however, and one opens oneself up to a civil
> > >case.
> >
> > 1. I go to the book store.
> > 2. I see a book authored by a person let's call him "DR X"
> > 3. I think him being a doctor, gives him some sort of authority
> > 4. I buy the book
> > 5. I find later he isn't a doctor or an authority on the subject?
> > 6. Do I have a claim for fraud?
> > Substitute X for Turi?
> > Hey, I can wait for him to come to a local store!
> 
> Hell, I think it would require more than just the loss of a
> few bucks.  Counterposed with monetary fraud is the old
> tried-and-true addage, "buyer beware."  If everyone could
> sue pathological liars and conmen who make grandious
> claims in their books, the Scientology cult wouldn't exist
> -- and neither would Uri Geller's bank accounts, quite
> likely.

You are off topic psycho boy. Metapsych removed.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/propagan.htm

-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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Subject: Re: Debby gets hacked.
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:01:01 GMT, "ladypilot" <ladypilot7@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Bertie the Bunyip" <bertiebunyip@usenet-performance-art.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:22:00 GMT, "ladypilot"  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bertie the Bunyip" <bertiebunyip@usenet-performance-art.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> Please show it to me IRL.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://members.home.com/debbyis/
>> >>
>> >> Thank you jesus.
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> >Why do you say that, Bertie?
>>
>> No reason.
>>
>>
>Bwaaaaaaawhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahw
>hahwhhahwhahwh!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
>Would it have anything to do with me getting hacked tonight?
>
>I am not a happy person right now!!!!!!!!!!

Awww, you got hacked? 

How could that have happened? 

Bwaaaaaaawhahhwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhwahw! 

Bertie 



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anonym� wrote:
> 
> Cujo wrote:
> >
> > Spamster <"uce"@ftc.g�v> wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >
> > >"Edmond H. Wollmann" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Your client continues to post in violation of the
> > >> alt.astrology.metapsych charter for years now. Please take action. If
> > >> you do not act, your company may be listed as an abusive ISP.
> > >> Thanks for your professionalism
> > >
> > >Go change your diaper.
> >
> > Ed, you still think Nymmie's this [BLEEP!} guy. He isn't. Better luck
> > next time, fuckwad.
> 
> You tell him, Cujo!
> 
> I am AFRAID of my ISP being listed as an Abusive ISP!
> 
> Umm...which ISP am I posting from, again?

Did you have any astrology to discuss Mr impotent?

-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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Subject: NATHAN WOLLMANN'S DADDY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION OVER HIS OBJECT OF FANTASY    -- Too bad the    guy hasn't posted in years.
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Wotan wrote:
> 
> In article <39066625.202F@bigfoot.com>,
> Edmond H. Wollmann <arcturian1@netscape.net> proved mental
> competance is not required to access the Internet by posting:
> 
> >Did you have any astrology to discuss Mr impotent?
> 
> Well, he inuated you were a fool.  Which is astrology related Panty Head.

Toadally.
> 
> --
> If mathematically you end up with the wrong answer, try multiplying by
> the page number.

-- 

"I am permanently off usenet as of  7/29/99" - Ed Wollmann, pathological liar

http://www.smbtech.com/ed/
http://lart.com/ed/



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Subject: jfred@bellsouth.net continuesd to insist on defamation as the ONLY REASON FOR POSTING TO USENET Re: Precepts and the Integrated Persona
Date: 2000/05/03
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And I will complain for eternity until action is taken--trust me.

jfred wrote:
> 
> Wollmann, Edmond H. <Lamassu@astroconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> > CMCase@webtv.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Ed is one angry creature and really has no grasp of cause and effect
> > > despite his many lectures cluttering these newsgroups that say
> > > otherwise.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input, Shasta.
> >
> > I see, and when did we meet, and what evidence besides a slew of
> > skepticultists spam, do you have to support this delusion?
> 

http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/charter.htm
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/abusive_isps_list.htm
http://www.magitech.com/pub/astrology/info/faq.txt
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/propagan.htm

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� 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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On Wed, 03 May 2000 10:51:11 -0700, "Wollmann, Edmond H."
<Lamassu@astroconsulting.com> wrote:

E-mail sent as requested

>And I will complain for eternity until action is taken--trust me.

Promise to continue powerless, failed tactics noted. How does
it serve you, in your fully created reality, not to be able to
effect any change in that reality?

Jfred will continue to post, as will I, and there's nothing you've
been able to do about it, save whine, and there is nothing you 
*will* be able to do about it, save whine. If you weren't such 
an entertaining kook, Eddieeeeeee, I'd lobby to have your
residence moved to a cushioned room.



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Widdershins wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 03 May 2000 10:51:11 -0700, "Wollmann, Edmond H."
> <Lamassu@astroconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> E-mail sent as requested

And the 27th request that you stop--returned to concentric.net and other
agencies.

http://home.concentric.net/support/tos/

13. Member expressly agrees not to use the CNC Service in a manner
that is prohibited by any law or regulation or to facilitate the
violation of any law or regulation. Member further agrees not to use the
Service in a manner that will disrupt third parties' use or enjoyment of
the CNC Service or other communications services and outlets. Member
acknowledges that prohibited conduct includes, but is not limited to,
use of the Service to invade the privacy of third parties, impersonation
of CNC personnel, transmitting via e-mail, USENET, chat service or the
Member's personal web page or site, abusive, profane, libelous,
slanderous, threatening or otherwise harassing material and posting
material in any USENET or newsgroup that is off-topic according to the
charter or other public statement of the USENET or newsgroup. Member
also agrees not to use the Service to solicit other members to patronize
competing services, not to violate or tamper with the security of the
CNC Service or attempt to utilize another member's account name or
persona without authorization from that member. 
-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
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On Wed, 03 May 2000 18:53:15 -0700, "Wollmann, Edmond H."
<astrologer@astroconsulting.com> wrote:

E-mail sent, as requested.

>Widdershins wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 03 May 2000 10:51:11 -0700, "Wollmann, Edmond H."
>> <Lamassu@astroconsulting.com> wrote:
>> 
>> E-mail sent as requested
>
>And the 27th request that you stop--returned to concentric.net and other
>agencies.

You invite E-mail with your headers. You cannot claim not to want
E-mail. That's how life works, fucknuts.
>
>http://home.concentric.net/support/tos/

Concentric doesn't even see your complaints anymore, fucknuts.
And on the off chance that something slips by, all I need do
is refer them to:

http://www.smbtech.com/ed/
http://lart.com/ed/

and remind them of your sock puppet accounts.

HTH
HAND


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Subject: Re: Microsoft Bashing
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Hmmmmmm.  The Genius of Capitalism In Action.

One Man's Disaster Is Another Man's Opportunity.

The Principle Of Self Interest Is The Throbbing Engine of Innovation.

Zone Labs, not letting any grass grow under their feet, has come out
with a new version of their personal firewall ---- ZoneAlarm 2.1.25.

http://www.zonelabs.com/zonealarmnews.htm
---------------------------------------

"What's New in This Release

This release introduces the ZoneAlarm MailSafe E-mail Attachment
Protection feature. This version:

- protects against inadvertent execution of VisualBasic Script e-mail
attachments downloaded while the MailSafe feature is installed and set
active.

- quarantines VBScript associated e-mail attachments (those having the
.vbs filename extension), and pops up a warning message when you try to
execute the attachment.

- ZoneAlarm MailSafe can be enabled/disabled in the Security panel."
-----------------------------------------

Who'd a thunk of that?  <g>

Of course, we have all been told that software personal firewalls for
personal computers are really quite worthless for home users.  Besides,
they are just too complicated and expensive for those same dumb home
users to set up and use ---- so we have been told.

I guess we'll just have to wait until the Federal Government bashes
Microsoft some more and makes them behave and saves us all from a fate
worse than death ---- the dastardly hackers and crackers ---- virus,
Trojan and worm writers all, who are out to get us.

Heaven forfend that we should do anything OURSELVES to make our systems
more secure.

No, we are just too abysmally dumb and technically incompetent to do
that.

Exitus Acta Probat.

Fortem Posce Animum.
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Leo Tolstoy On Firmly Held Beliefs and Resultant Mental Gridlock ---

"I know that most men --- not only those considered clever, but even
those who really are clever and capable of understanding the most
difficult scientific, mathematical or philosophic problems, can seldom
discern even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as
obliges them to admit the falsity of conclusions they have formed,
perhaps with great difficulty --- conclusions of which they are proud,
which they have taught to others, and on which they have built their
lives."

Leo Tolstoy [1896] --- Source: "What Is Art?" ---  Leo Tolstoy,
Translated by Aylmer Maude, in Tolstoy's Collected Works, Charles
Scribner's Sons, (1902), Volume 19, p. 468

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.

All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the
author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
given, in writing.

"D. Spencer Hines" <none@zip.com.invalid> wrote in message news:...

| There is certainly much gnashing of teeth, flapping of gums and
| Microsoft bashing going on here.  Old Lions and pussy cats come out to
| play and frolic in the sun.
|
| Whatever happened to the desire for "openness in systems,
| interoperability and inclusiveness in our dealings with others, and
| mutual trust in our unique abilities ---- so that the entire world can
| be digitally linked in The Global Village ---- and we can all move
| forward together into a bright tomorrow?"
|
| Remember the inflated rhetoric of the 1970's and 1980's, much of it
| from Silicon Valley, when a great deal of the design work on these
| software systems was being done?  At the time, TRUST, SHARING,
| EASE OF USE, INTERACTIVE SYSTEMS, and INTEROPERABILITY
| were the watchwords of good management.  "Trust other people and
| you'll be amazed at what they can do" ---- was the tag line.
|
| Yep.
|
| "Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man?
|
| "The Shadow knows."
|
| Zap!
|
| Sometimes you get just what you ask for ---- and then discover you
| were very naive when you asked for it.
|
| Focus-group-driven thinking.
| --
|
| D. Spencer Hines
|
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas





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In article <39066625.202F@bigfoot.com>,
Edmond H. Wollmann <arcturian1@netscape.net> wrote:
>anonym� wrote:
>> 
>> Cujo wrote:
>> >
>> > Spamster <"uce"@ftc.g�v> wrote in message ...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Edmond H. Wollmann" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Your client continues to post in violation of the
>> > >> alt.astrology.metapsych charter for years now. Please take action. If
>> > >> you do not act, your company may be listed as an abusive ISP.
>> > >> Thanks for your professionalism
>> > >
>> > >Go change your diaper.
>> >
>> > Ed, you still think Nymmie's this [BLEEP!} guy. He isn't. Better luck
>> > next time, fuckwad.
>> 
>> You tell him, Cujo!
>> 
>> I am AFRAID of my ISP being listed as an Abusive ISP!
>> 
>> Umm...which ISP am I posting from, again?
>
>Did you have any astrology to discuss Mr impotent?

Interesting that you sign yourself Mr impotent.
Especially when you crosspost to alt.usenet.kooks.

>
>-- 
>Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
>� 2000 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
>Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
>Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
>http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/tableof.htm


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"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> 
> In article <39066625.202F@bigfoot.com>,
> Edmond H. Wollmann <arcturian1@netscape.net> wrote:
> >anonym� wrote:
> >>
> >> Cujo wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Spamster <"uce"@ftc.g�v> wrote in message ...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >"Edmond H. Wollmann" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Your client continues to post in violation of the
> >> > >> alt.astrology.metapsych charter for years now. Please take action. If
> >> > >> you do not act, your company may be listed as an abusive ISP.
> >> > >> Thanks for your professionalism
> >> > >
> >> > >Go change your diaper.
> >> >
> >> > Ed, you still think Nymmie's this [BLEEP!} guy. He isn't. Better luck
> >> > next time, fuckwad.
> >>
> >> You tell him, Cujo!
> >>
> >> I am AFRAID of my ISP being listed as an Abusive ISP!
> >>
> >> Umm...which ISP am I posting from, again?
> >
> >Did you have any astrology to discuss Mr impotent?
> 
> Interesting that you sign yourself Mr impotent.
> Especially when you crosspost to alt.usenet.kooks.

Better late then never, Dr. Matt!

-- 

"I am permanently off usenet as of  7/29/99" - Ed Wollmann, pathological liar

http://www.smbtech.com/ed/
http://lart.com/ed/



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From: josule <josule@my-deja.com>
Subject: tracking an offender
Date: 2000/07/08
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Can anyone tell me what I can find out about a person if I know his
email address and his IP address?  This person somehow got a hold of my
debit card number and purchased pornography over the internet with it.
I had the card hot-carded by the bank and the company, Vivid Video,
reimbursed me, but I still can't seem to find out anything about the
person who did this.  His email address is sparkstore@hotmail.com, and
his IP address is 216.100.250.29.  All I seem to get is that his host's
name is proxy.umax.com, about which I can find nothing.  Can anyone
help me out here?

Thank you,

John Lewis




Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.



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From: Hooke@postoffice.pacbell.net
Subject: Re: tracking an offender
Date: 2000/07/14
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you can't; he is using an old account that no longer in service did you
contact umax to let them know what this asshole did to you it happen to
me.  good luck i never got the person who did this  to me maybe you will.
Bye

josule wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what I can find out about a person if I know his
> email address and his IP address?  This person somehow got a hold of my
> debit card number and purchased pornography over the internet with it.
> I had the card hot-carded by the bank and the company, Vivid Video,
> reimbursed me, but I still can't seem to find out anything about the
> person who did this.  His email address is sparkstore@hotmail.com, and
> his IP address is 216.100.250.29.  All I seem to get is that his host's
> name is proxy.umax.com, about which I can find nothing.  Can anyone
> help me out here?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John Lewis
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.




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From: "Chopsly" <chopsly@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tracking an offender
Date: 2000/07/27
Message-ID: <X%_f5.28863$Yk.3155565@news1.mia>#1/1
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Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.consumers.experience,news.admin.net-abuse,alt.marketing.online

Information for 216.100.250.29:

Tracking ip 216.100.250.29:
"nslookup 216.100.250.29" (getting name) [show] 216.100.250.29 =
proxy.umax.com
"nslookup proxy.umax.com" (checking ip) [show] ip = 216.100.250.29
Internal abuse.net lookup proxy.umax.com =
"nslookup proxy.umax.com" (checking ip) [show] ip = 216.100.250.29
Internal abuse.net lookup proxy.umax.com = postmaster@proxy.umax.com,
postmaster@umax.com
paranoid reverse DNS passes - using postmaster@proxy.umax.com,
postmaster@umax.com
"dig -x 216.100.250.29 soa " (digging for Start Of Authority) [show] -
postmaster@umax.com
Internal abuse.net lookup umax.com =


Statistics:
"nslookup 29.250.100.216.rbl.maps.vix.com." (checking ip) [show] not found
"nslookup 29.250.100.216.inputs.orbs.org." (checking ip) [show] not found
This host is "clean" - it has not had any spam reports related to email
origination.
Found abuse address:postmaster@proxy.umax.com, postmaster@umax.com



Information for sparkstore@hotmail.com:

Parsing input:
Internal abuse.net lookup hotmail.com = abuse@hotmail.com
"nslookup hotmail.com" (checking ip) [show] ip = 216.33.238.7
abuse.net shortcut:abuse@hotmail.com


Statistics:
ISP score:33
Note, this is not necessarily a reflection on the specific address given. It
is rather based on the overall ISP score.
Found abuse address:abuse@hotmail.com




Hooke@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote in message
<396F2065.9BC362E8@postoffice.pacbell.net>...
>you can't; he is using an old account that no longer in service did you
>contact umax to let them know what this asshole did to you it happen to
>me.  good luck i never got the person who did this  to me maybe you will.
>Bye
>
>josule wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me what I can find out about a person if I know his
>> email address and his IP address?  This person somehow got a hold of my
>> debit card number and purchased pornography over the internet with it.
>> I had the card hot-carded by the bank and the company, Vivid Video,
>> reimbursed me, but I still can't seem to find out anything about the
>> person who did this.  His email address is sparkstore@hotmail.com, and
>> his IP address is 216.100.250.29.  All I seem to get is that his host's
>> name is proxy.umax.com, about which I can find nothing.  Can anyone
>> help me out here?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> John Lewis
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>





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From: antispam <merw@hotmail.com>
Subject: WEB2010.COM supports spammer sites
Date: 2000/07/30
Message-ID: <8H_g5.56415$N4.1790192@ozemail.com.au>#1/1
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Newsgroups: alt.test,admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse

This one posted his spam advertising his illegal software for spammers
to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.  newsgroups. It was reported  to abuse@web2010.com
but his site  is still active: www.newsposterpro.com.  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Bulk post to hundreds of groups with a single click 3587
From: Jackq <jackq@hotmail.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2000 21:08:59 GMT
Lines: 6
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3,alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.beatles,alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bluegrass,alt.test
Path: news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail
Organization: Usenet
Message-ID: <397cb06b$0$598$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeed.wi.net
X-Trace: 964472939 news.twtelecom.net 598 204.95.193.188

Includes full support for multimedia!

Download software at http://www.newsposterpro.com

fwhsgdrjiexnzufrwkoolqgbomnofhtaespzqfxeoannrcuwfo
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
c:\common>ping www.newsposterpro.com

Pinging www.newsposterpro.com [216.157.19.78] with 32 bytes of data
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Web2010 Inc (NETBLK-WEB2010-BLK-1)
   20 Park Ave Suite B
   Apopka Fl 32703

   Netname: WEB2010-BLK-1
   Netblock: 216.157.0.0 - 216.157.79.255
   Maintainer: WEB

   Coordinator:
      Shaver, James A.  (JS158-ARIN)  vp@WEB2010.COM
      843-842-9572

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




From 3642451778883885372
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From: antispam <antispam34@hotmail.com>
Subject: WEB2010.COM supports spammer sites
Date: 2000/07/30
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Newsgroups: ak.test,admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse

This one posted his spam advertising his illegal software for spammers
to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.  newsgroups. It was reported  to abuse@web2010.com
but his site  is still active: www.newsposterpro.com.  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Bulk post to hundreds of groups with a single click 3587
From: Jackq <jackq@hotmail.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2000 21:08:59 GMT
Lines: 6
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3,alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.beatles,alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bluegrass,alt.test
Path: news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail
Organization: Usenet
Message-ID: <397cb06b$0$598$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeed.wi.net
X-Trace: 964472939 news.twtelecom.net 598 204.95.193.188

Includes full support for multimedia!

Download software at http://www.newsposterpro.com

fwhsgdrjiexnzufrwkoolqgbomnofhtaespzqfxeoannrcuwfo
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
c:\common>ping www.newsposterpro.com

Pinging www.newsposterpro.com [216.157.19.78] with 32 bytes of data
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Web2010 Inc (NETBLK-WEB2010-BLK-1)
   20 Park Ave Suite B
   Apopka Fl 32703

   Netname: WEB2010-BLK-1
   Netblock: 216.157.0.0 - 216.157.79.255
   Maintainer: WEB

   Coordinator:
      Shaver, James A.  (JS158-ARIN)  vp@WEB2010.COM
      843-842-9572

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




From 366844114140907850
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From: zayphod@RINGgate.net
Subject: Regarding usenet/email spammer "Get a $1000 FREE Satellite TV System!!!"
Date: 2000/08/02
Message-ID: <3987a239.1307464@news.gate.net>
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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse,usenet,alt.spam

Since this guy is spamming both usenet and e-mail, I'm cross-posting
this to both groups.  I've also posted a copy in sightings.

I spoke to the guy on the phone, seems very nice until I asked "who
does your e-mailing?"  "I don't know." was his only answer.  The
supervisor?  No.  Anyone?  No.  

Ok, I guess I have enough info for the FTC.  His response: "Ok, enjoy
it." at which point he hung up on me.  And here I was being so nice
and such.  Damned spammer.

They don't have their own website (no kidding - they've been kicked
off of every server they've been on, and wasn't their own site, but
the free ones, like 50megs, etc).  Guess I should have driven that
point home.  Maybe I will....tomorrow.  

A search on wireless concepts brings up a number of hits, but
unfortunately, they're all the wrong ones.

WIRELESS-CONCEPTS.COM is NOT the right place.  They even have a
website explaining that IT'S NOT THEM, etc.  I've included the chunk
of explaination below.

================================

This is a re-transmission of my earlier spam complaint.
In calling 888-514-6881, this apparently is a company
calling itself "Wireless Concepts".  They are spamming
on behalf of a company called "dishnet.com".  This may be
in relation to a referral-type program.

WIRELESS-CONCEPTS.COM -> Please see above note.  Please
contact the owners of dishnet.com and they should be able
to assist you in finding out who these people are.

DISHNET.COM -> This company at 888-514-6881 has been spamming
all over usenet and by junk e-mail (spam) on your behalf.
It is recommended that you disassociate yourself from this
company.

I have appended the additional information below my
original copy of the spam.

This information is also being posted to the following
newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings
news.admin.net-abuse.email
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

===========================================

AC-MARTINIQUE.FR -> You are running an open mail server.  Please
disable
third party relaying on your equipment.  

BLUEWATERAREA.COM -> Spam originated from your IP address.
Please remove this spammer's account.

FTC.GOV -> Please call 888-514-6881 and see who is behind this
scam, since they're not only spamming e-mail, but usnet newsgroups
en-masse.  Thank you.

===========================================

RELAY: (passp3.ac-martinique.fr [195.83.254.18])

SOURCE: (bwa-215.bluewaterarea.com [198.88.136.215] (may be forged))
admin@BLUEWATERAREA.COM

CONTACT: 888-514-6881

===========================================
>Received: by shawnee (mbox zayphod)
> (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Jul 30 21:16:47 2000)
>X-From_: asatellite4free8@indiatimes.com Sun Jul 30 05:10:48 2000
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>Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:33:29 -0500
>From: bnomorecable8@indiatimes.com
>Subject: Get a $1000 FREE Satellite TV System!!!
>To: freesatellite16@yahoo.com
>Reply-To: freesatellite8@indiatimes.com
>Message-Id: <iqfegbexi.fjtfbuuoxus@smtp.indiatimes.com>
>
>FREE SATELLITE T.V. SYSTEM
>
>Watch over 500 channels of Digital Broadcast quality television on 
>your own FREE satellite television system. These new Digital satellite 
>systems use the new 18 inch satellite dish antenna. 
>
>For a limited time we'll give you this top of the line
>Digital Satellite System for FREE!
>We'll even include Free installation and
>3 FREE months of all the movie channels!
>
>
>This is the New Dishplayer 500. It has a built Digital 12 hour recording 
>system so you can throw that old VCR away, built in WEB T.V. and
>interactive T.V and game systems, on screen graphics, 2 dual LNB's,
>stereo receiver and infrared remote. Normal cost for all these items
>is over $900 but we're giving it away for FREE!
>
>All you have to do is call us to arrange delivery and order the channels you 
>want to receive. The monthly cost of satellite television is usually 
>much less than cable T.V and satellite television offers over 500 
>channels of all digital broadcast video quality and CD audio sound. 
>You even get local channels now. Don't miss this offer it's only available 
>while supplies last. 
>
>
>For your Free Satellite System call 888-514-6881 
>24 hours a day.
>
>
>
===========================================


wci  @Wireless-Concepts.com
Our company, Wireless Concepts, Inc., is registered in the State of
California, and has been conducting business in Simi Valley,
California
since 1992. Recently we had received numerous inquiries by telephone
and
electronic mail concerning a �Satellite Dish� offer. Wireless
Concepts, Inc.
has never been involved in the Satellite Dish business. These
activities had
been conducted by another business entity. It is therefore not
possible for
us to respond to any of these inquiries. However, since these events
apparently involve an entity operating under a name very similar to
our
registered name, we are looking into our options to prevent further
confusion. In the mean time, information on the �Wireless Concepts�
entity
involved in Satellite Dish, including address, telephone number, etc.,
is
appreciated.


===========================================
Address given
2650 Foothill Blvd
Pasadina, CA
888-514-6881

The other address they give is
Wireless Concepts
150 South Los Robles Blvd. Suite 668
Pasadena California 91104

http://www.charity-sports.org/satecost.htm seems to be related.
It offers a coupon for a discount off of a satellite dish from
Wireless Concepts
But gives no address.
(626) 568-0903
is the only related phone number.  Cannot find any address.

They are selling equipment only.  The service is through
www.dishnet.com
Registrant:
Digital Satellite (DISHNET3-DOM)
   210 Ashley Creek Dr
   Newnan, GA 30263

   Domain Name: DISHNET.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      King, Donald  (DK9064)  donni249@MINDSPRING.COM
      Digital Satellite Connections
      210 Ashley Creek Dr
      Newnan , GA 30263
      (770) 252-1513
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Mindspring Domreg  (MDP-ORG)  domreg@MINDSPRING.COM
      Earthlink Inc
      1430 West Peachtree St. NW, Ste. 400
      Atlanta, GA 30309
      US
      888-932-1997
      Fax- 000-000-0000
   Billing Contact:
      Domain Administrator  (MDB5-ORG)  domain.billing@MINDSPRING.COM
      Earthlink Inc.
      1430 W Peachtree St NW Ste 400
      Atlanta, GA 30309
      US
      800-719-4664	Fax- 000-000-0000
      Fax- - 000-000-0000
      Fax- - 000-000-0000

   Record last updated on 12-May-1999.
   Record expires on 12-May-2001.
   Record created on 12-May-1999.
   Database last updated on 31-Jul-2000 21:44:55 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   SPEAKEASY.EARTHLINK.NET	207.69.188.200
   HEARSAY.EARTHLINK.NET	207.69.188.201
   RUMOR.EARTHLINK.NET		207.69.188.202
===========================================

Zayphod at aol dot com
Zayphod at gate dot net

http://members.aol.com/zayphod/ads/ads.html
"I say to you net-abusers, KNOCK OFF ALL THAT SPAM"
  --- Something "The Tick" would say, if he were on-line
SSBB Diplomatic Corps: Fort Lauderdale (Netcop)



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From: ciacon2@hotmail.com (Wayne Johnson)
Subject: Y O U  W A N T  W A R ? ? ?
Date: 2000/08/14
Message-ID: <qVJl5.87634$N4.2126179@ozemail.com.au>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 657989291
Distribution: world
Sender: Path: we,mediaone.net! 24.165.167.71
X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 966224598 203.102.101.130 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:43:18 EST)
Organization: Road Runner
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:43:18 EST
Reply-To: ciacon2@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies,news.admin.net-abuse

I WILL HAVE DATABASIX CRUSHED!!!




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From: "�Ǽ�" <serink@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: WEB2010.COM supports spammer sites
Date: 2000/08/14
Message-ID: <vTNl5.593$m9.50333@news2.bora.net>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 658044652
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X-Priority: 3
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news:SJ_g5.56425$N4.1790088@ozemail.com.au�� �Խ��Ͽ����ϴ�.
> This one posted his spam advertising his illegal software for spammers
> to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.  newsgroups. It was reported  to
abuse@web2010.com
> but his site  is still active: www.newsposterpro.com.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------
> Subject: Bulk post to hundreds of groups with a single click 3587
> From: Jackq <jackq@hotmail.com>
> Date: 24 Jul 2000 21:08:59 GMT
> Lines: 6
> Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3,alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.beatles,alt.binaries.sounds.
mp3.bluegrass,alt.test
> Path: news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail
> Organization: Usenet
> Message-ID: <397cb06b$0$598$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeed.wi.net
> X-Trace: 964472939 news.twtelecom.net 598 204.95.193.188
>
> Includes full support for multimedia!
>
> Download software at http://www.newsposterpro.com
>
> fwhsgdrjiexnzufrwkoolqgbomnofhtaespzqfxeoannrcuwfo
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> c:\common>ping www.newsposterpro.com
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> Pinging www.newsposterpro.com [216.157.19.78] with 32 bytes of data
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>
> Web2010 Inc (NETBLK-WEB2010-BLK-1)
>    20 Park Ave Suite B
>    Apopka Fl 32703
>
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>    Maintainer: WEB
>
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In <39fcac09.20374717@news.alt.net>, in alt.hackers.malicious,
specialforces@hell-flame-wars.org (Tim Thorne) claimed: 

Fuck Dimmy, can't you try singing a new song?  

Nobody gives a flying fuck that life on that rock of yours sucks so much 
that you have to exhibit your complete fuckheadedness for the Usenet world 
to see.  Nobody gives a shit about you Dimmy.  *Nobody*.  You live to see 
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And don't deny it cunter, because *IT'S ALL YOU DO*!!!!

So either shut the fuck up, get a life, or jump in front of a fucking fully 
loaded lorry.

Jesus Christ, you are *the* most boring "man" on Usenet.

And I ain't listening, so don't fucking bother, you boring cunt.
-- 
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       (-'-)
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						Petitmorte
TDMF&A			   No Limits.  No Holding Back		
zkittrie@lart.com in Message-ID: 
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"Now go apologize to my much-adored user Spooge and crawl back
into the sock drawer." 					


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In <39fcac09.20374717@news.alt.net>, in alt.hackers.malicious,
specialforces@hell-flame-wars.org (Tim Thorne) claimed: 

Fuck Dimmy, can't you try singing a new song?  

Nobody gives a flying fuck that life on that rock of yours sucks so much 
that you have to exhibit your complete fuckheadedness for the Usenet world 
to see.  Nobody gives a shit about you Dimmy.  *Nobody*.  You live to see 
your own fanboy words on your fucking monitor, that's all you have in life.
And don't deny it cunter, because *IT'S ALL YOU DO*!!!!

So either shut the fuck up, get a life, or jump in front of a fucking fully 
loaded lorry.

Jesus Christ, you are *the* most boring "man" on Usenet.

And I ain't listening, so don't fucking bother, you boring cunt.
-- 
         =				XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
       (-'-)
        _|_				Love It To Death
     __(o.o)__
    /   '-'   \			XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
   /Petit Morte\		
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^		"Spooge is living pr0n" 
						Petitmorte
TDMF&A			   No Limits.  No Holding Back		
zkittrie@lart.com in Message-ID: 
<8n80n4$pe5$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> Tells "Tracy Lunes":
"Now go apologize to my much-adored user Spooge and crawl back
into the sock drawer." 					


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I received an HTML-formatted e-mail from Rick Ratchford, and I think he
might have sent me some type of mail-bomb.  I lost all the messages in my
Inbox, plus I was unsubscribed from several newsgroups.  This may have been
coincidence, but I doubt it.  I guess I should have disabled scripting
before I read it.  Complaining about him has always been the surest way to
incur his wrath.


"Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> wrote in message
news:HG%T5.22858$iy3.5253579@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> I just read about canceling forged posts, I guess the forger would not
> complain about the message being cancelled.  The scammers have been using
a
> variety of techniques to drive away the decent people, the two examples I
> gave only demonstrated one.  I forgot the names of the other "anon
services"
> they have been using, the one I posted had the "squirrel" e-mail address
> which actually is easy to block.  Other postings have had the forgee's
> e-mail address.  Many of the posts have indeed been simple flames, but
until
> the professionals left, there was a non-stop deluge of forged posts under
> their names.  The forgers initially made mistakes , and responded to posts
> made to them using their victims headers - they even signed it with their
> real name (lol).  Not very smart I know, but they have gotten a lot better
> at it.  Rick Ratchford and Paul Novotny's girlfriend "Melissa" are our
> resident forgery experts. A "good guy" has responded to my post asking for
> help, so perhaps we will be able to turn m.i.f. back into a regular
> newsgroup.  Thanks for the help.
>
> "Rebecca Ore" <rebecca@ogoense.net> wrote in message
> news:m3y9y778of.fsf@pyrophore.ogoense.net...
> > "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> writes:
> >
> > > The misc.invest.futures newsgroup has been ruined by the 'vendors'
> > > (scam artrists) forging posts under the names of the
> > > 'professionals'.  What few people in the newsgroup who were both
> > > knowledgeable and honest have been chased away by those who prey on
> > > beginners with get-rich-quick schemes.
> > >  The professionals left because so many fake messages were being
> > > posted under their names, that it was hurting their reputation.  In
> > > IE 5.0, messages can be blocked by e-mail address, but that is
> > > exactly what the 'vendors' want since they are posting using the
> > > professional's e-mail addresses.  The con artists have even bragged
> > > about 'destroying the newsgroup' by using a software product called
> > > "mixmaster".
> >
> > If the scam artists are using the identical email addresses of the
> > professionals, the professionals can cancel the scam artists' posts or
> > ask it to be done by their news admins or third party despammers.
> >
> > You can report forged email addresses to the anon. remailers.
> >
> > What you quoted looked more like a troll than anything else, though.
> >
> > (snips)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rebecca Ore
> > http://www.ogoense.net/rebecca
>
>






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From: "Mr. Rick" <res07km0@verizon.net>
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Your email problems are your own. I suggest that while you get that fixed
you also get your head adjusted. My powers are limited to typing email
messages and hitting the send button. I could think of a lot better targets
to direct my 'wrath' than some 'Joe' looking for attention.

This message from 'Joe' will be forwarded to abuse@home.com.

Regards.
Rick



"Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> wrote in message
news:Cx1U5.23243$iy3.5332763@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> I received an HTML-formatted e-mail from Rick Ratchford, and I think he
> might have sent me some type of mail-bomb.  I lost all the messages in my
> Inbox, plus I was unsubscribed from several newsgroups.  This may have
been
> coincidence, but I doubt it.  I guess I should have disabled scripting
> before I read it.  Complaining about him has always been the surest way to
> incur his wrath.
>
>
> "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> wrote in message
> news:HG%T5.22858$iy3.5253579@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> > I just read about canceling forged posts, I guess the forger would not
> > complain about the message being cancelled.  The scammers have been
using
> a
> > variety of techniques to drive away the decent people, the two examples
I
> > gave only demonstrated one.  I forgot the names of the other "anon
> services"
> > they have been using, the one I posted had the "squirrel" e-mail address
> > which actually is easy to block.  Other postings have had the forgee's
> > e-mail address.  Many of the posts have indeed been simple flames, but
> until
> > the professionals left, there was a non-stop deluge of forged posts
under
> > their names.  The forgers initially made mistakes , and responded to
posts
> > made to them using their victims headers - they even signed it with
their
> > real name (lol).  Not very smart I know, but they have gotten a lot
better
> > at it.  Rick Ratchford and Paul Novotny's girlfriend "Melissa" are our
> > resident forgery experts. A "good guy" has responded to my post asking
for
> > help, so perhaps we will be able to turn m.i.f. back into a regular
> > newsgroup.  Thanks for the help.
> >
> > "Rebecca Ore" <rebecca@ogoense.net> wrote in message
> > news:m3y9y778of.fsf@pyrophore.ogoense.net...
> > > "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > The misc.invest.futures newsgroup has been ruined by the 'vendors'
> > > > (scam artrists) forging posts under the names of the
> > > > 'professionals'.  What few people in the newsgroup who were both
> > > > knowledgeable and honest have been chased away by those who prey on
> > > > beginners with get-rich-quick schemes.
> > > >  The professionals left because so many fake messages were being
> > > > posted under their names, that it was hurting their reputation.  In
> > > > IE 5.0, messages can be blocked by e-mail address, but that is
> > > > exactly what the 'vendors' want since they are posting using the
> > > > professional's e-mail addresses.  The con artists have even bragged
> > > > about 'destroying the newsgroup' by using a software product called
> > > > "mixmaster".
> > >
> > > If the scam artists are using the identical email addresses of the
> > > professionals, the professionals can cancel the scam artists' posts or
> > > ask it to be done by their news admins or third party despammers.
> > >
> > > You can report forged email addresses to the anon. remailers.
> > >
> > > What you quoted looked more like a troll than anything else, though.
> > >
> > > (snips)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rebecca Ore
> > > http://www.ogoense.net/rebecca
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




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Mr Ratchford,

In your complaint to my ISP...

You said "A client of yours...has been sending messages...accusing me of
mail bombings... that I have no knowledge of."

    You are of course, wrong.  I said in one message, "I think he might have
sent me some type of mail-bomb".  You also did not deny it.

You said "He posts under the guise of a concerned netizen..."

    I *am* a concerned netizen.  You are wrong again.  And what are you?
Someone with something to sell who has said more than once that their posts
to MIF, regardless of their negative impact, have been "very profitable" for
you?

Then you said "...is in effect causing a disruption.."

    What disruption?
    You mean the lack of forged posts since one of the big boys from
net-abuse showed up??

You said "...by posting these unsubstanitiated accusations."

    I, in fact, accused you of nothing.  I said "I think...", and I still do
think you mail bombed me.  And I again would caution anyone who receives
e-mail from you to be very careful.  What happened to me could very well
happen to them.  Since you post to MIF every day, that makes my warning
on-topic.

You said "...it appears this individual may be approaching an area that may
be considered prosecutable."

    You are the expert on slander and libel, considering your "I Like Boys"
posts you did under another poster's name.

This will be my last response to your posts Mr Ratchford, and I am going to
block your e-mails.  I will continue to seek outside help to stem the tide
of forged e-mails that you publicly encourage.  There is at least one member
of the net-abuse newsgroup that will be watching for the forgeries, and
others may also join if neccesary.  This, being my 3rd and last post in MIF
on this topic, should not cause 'a disruption'.  I apologize to the
newsgroup if these posts have caused any problems.

At least now the other newsgroup members know that I have called out for
help, and people with the same skills as the forgers do have come to our
rescue.  If you are one of the forgers, you might want to stop before you
get caught.  Or did you already?  It is telling that there have been no
forged posts tonight.

Good-bye Mr Ratchford.



A client of yours with the email address josephsmithfive@home.com has been
sending messages to misc.invest.futures accusing me of mail bombing and
other actions that I have no knowledge of. He posts under the guise of a
concerned netizen, but is in effect causing disruption by posting these
unsubstantiated accusations.

I respectfully request that this matter be looked into, as it appears this
individual may be approaching an area that may be considered prosecutable.



"Mr. Rick" <res07km0@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Your email problems are your own. I suggest that while you get that fixed
> you also get your head adjusted. My powers are limited to typing email
> messages and hitting the send button. I could think of a lot better
targets
> to direct my 'wrath' than some 'Joe' looking for attention.
>
> This message from 'Joe' will be forwarded to abuse@home.com.
>
> Regards.
> Rick
>
>
>
> "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Cx1U5.23243$iy3.5332763@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> > I received an HTML-formatted e-mail from Rick Ratchford, and I think he
> > might have sent me some type of mail-bomb.  I lost all the messages in
my
> > Inbox, plus I was unsubscribed from several newsgroups.  This may have
> been
> > coincidence, but I doubt it.  I guess I should have disabled scripting
> > before I read it.  Complaining about him has always been the surest way
to
> > incur his wrath.
> >
> >
> > "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:HG%T5.22858$iy3.5253579@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> > > I just read about canceling forged posts, I guess the forger would not
> > > complain about the message being cancelled.  The scammers have been
> using
> > a
> > > variety of techniques to drive away the decent people, the two
examples
> I
> > > gave only demonstrated one.  I forgot the names of the other "anon
> > services"
> > > they have been using, the one I posted had the "squirrel" e-mail
address
> > > which actually is easy to block.  Other postings have had the forgee's
> > > e-mail address.  Many of the posts have indeed been simple flames, but
> > until
> > > the professionals left, there was a non-stop deluge of forged posts
> under
> > > their names.  The forgers initially made mistakes , and responded to
> posts
> > > made to them using their victims headers - they even signed it with
> their
> > > real name (lol).  Not very smart I know, but they have gotten a lot
> better
> > > at it.  Rick Ratchford and Paul Novotny's girlfriend "Melissa" are our
> > > resident forgery experts. A "good guy" has responded to my post asking
> for
> > > help, so perhaps we will be able to turn m.i.f. back into a regular
> > > newsgroup.  Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > > "Rebecca Ore" <rebecca@ogoense.net> wrote in message
> > > news:m3y9y778of.fsf@pyrophore.ogoense.net...
> > > > "Joe" <josephsmithfive@home.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > The misc.invest.futures newsgroup has been ruined by the 'vendors'
> > > > > (scam artrists) forging posts under the names of the
> > > > > 'professionals'.  What few people in the newsgroup who were both
> > > > > knowledgeable and honest have been chased away by those who prey
on
> > > > > beginners with get-rich-quick schemes.
> > > > >  The professionals left because so many fake messages were being
> > > > > posted under their names, that it was hurting their reputation.
In
> > > > > IE 5.0, messages can be blocked by e-mail address, but that is
> > > > > exactly what the 'vendors' want since they are posting using the
> > > > > professional's e-mail addresses.  The con artists have even
bragged
> > > > > about 'destroying the newsgroup' by using a software product
called
> > > > > "mixmaster".
> > > >
> > > > If the scam artists are using the identical email addresses of the
> > > > professionals, the professionals can cancel the scam artists' posts
or
> > > > ask it to be done by their news admins or third party despammers.
> > > >
> > > > You can report forged email addresses to the anon. remailers.
> > > >
> > > > What you quoted looked more like a troll than anything else, though.
> > > >
> > > > (snips)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rebecca Ore
> > > > http://www.ogoense.net/rebecca
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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Edward Green wrote:
Hi, Ed, I think you are wasting your time for this guy is beyond learning
anything.

> Uncle Al  <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> >> Aside from posting voluminously and hebephrenically, what sins has Mr.
> >> Plutonium committed?  I really want to know.
> >
> >CROSSPOSTING, YOU JACKASS.  Trolling.  Being prolix and boring.
> >Wasting untold volunteered dollars as his voluminous crap is hosted in
> >servers across the planet.
>

Such language and to think that Al Schwartz at some time in his life was in
"education".

One aspect of the Internet since people are not face to face, is that people
who are cowards try to portray themselves as strong individuals when in fact
they are cowards. Schwartz would never say that to Ed Green face to face.
Yet the Internet allows this sort of masqerade.

>
> Bandwidth is cheap.  Bad style is no sin.  But perhaps, if Usenet
> bandwidth is really not too cheap to meter, it should be metered?
>
> Utopian societies work in first embodiments, locally, under the force
> of strong leaders.  Then, just as available ecological niches will
> be filled by evolution,  available exploitative niches will be filled
> by individuals.  We can decry the individuals, but ultimately we will
> have to alter the system to remove the possibility of their undesired
> behavior, or new manifestations will constantly appear.

A different example: When a poster refuses to put another in a killfile, and
instead stalks the poster with repetitive-character-assassinations. The
stalking behaviour can be seen by the legal system as tags on posts. Tags on
posts is a form of censorship. And to an unmoderated newsgroup such as
sci.chem. The Uncle Al
stalking of Archimedes Plutonium is a censorship of his posts. Uncle Al has
the right to reply to an A.P. post, and the right to killfile A.P., but to
continue to follow-up on all A.P. posts to sci.chem and sci.physics with a
character-assassination reply is a censorship.

I do not know the extent of progress of Internet rules and regulations and
whether someone has formed a "Internet stalking law". I know that the
Internet has censorship laws. I see stalking as another form of censorship.

Clearly, stalking tends to intimidate and bully a poster out of a newsgroup
and that is the intent of Uncle Al.

So maybe one of these days or one of these years the bright Sun will shine
over the Internet where Uncle Al has to stop his stalking.

>
>
> And in the process, we always have to decide if the cure is worse than
> the disease.  Sometimes it is not (sic); that's why almost every
> stripe of politician and economist, stopping at the anarchist, think
> we should enforce contracts, and not rely on the innate good of people
> and social pressure to persuade compliance.  Otherwise, Gresham's law
> applies.
>
> >Archie-Poo is exactly what the Net is not about - profound loud
> >abundant ignorance attracting crossposts in kind like a warm loose
> >bowel movement in the forest attracts flies and their maggots.
>
> Unfortunately flies and their maggots are a fixture.  To gain freedom
> of speech we must accept the right to defecate in the forest.  We
> retain the right to ignore the defecator, that is our remedy.
>
> If he commits specific objectionable actions, forbidden to everybody,
> then they can be forbidden to him also.  Like, in the case of a much
> lesser offender, posting under 5 different pseudonyms to one group,
> virtually at the same time.
>
> I'm not sure if that is forbidden everybody or not; there are those of
> us, acerbic, angry or insulting as occasionally occurs, who are
> satisfied with a single handle.

People with new ideas seem to have the power, whether they want to or not,
in turning on the hate-button in others. And there seems to be absolutely
nothing that the person can do to reverse that button.

I had such an experience in my youth, not the hate button in me, but
observing the hate button in other people and the case was the president of
the USA. The president of the USA is one of the people in our society who
receives this problem more so than others. In my youth while in the company
of my peers and the subject of the then-president came up and these people
so very much hated the president. Beyond any logic or common sense or
rational good reasoning, these people had turned the hate-button to full
force on the president. They could not objectively evaluate or appraise the
president and his actions. Once the hate-button on those people had turned--
well, I should say no more for it is pathetic.

One last comment, since I have not mentioned Alexander Abian for several
months now. And I was thinking so much of Abian especially over the last
holidays in December. I don't recall seeing how old Abian was, but I suspect
he was in his 70s of age or more before he passed beyond. I truly miss Abian
and of the most delightful and joyful experiences in the 1990s of the
Internet were many occasions of an Abian post to the Internet. When I think
back of the "Big Suck theory" Abian's counterproposal to the Big Bang
theory, I am filled with joy and laughter. Right or wrong it makes no
difference for the shared joy and pleasure of reading what Abian was
thinking.

And now I contrast Abian with Uncle Al. A contrast that is as different as
day is night. And I ask myself now, why has the good Lord taken Abian, a
person who gave so much joy and delight to many people and yet the good Lord
keeps Uncle Al. The answer I have for that is because Heaven is so much
better than here on Earth even with Internet access. Sure we miss Abian, but
he is better in Heaven now, than here on Earth. I sure miss Abian. And I
believe that all teachers in the profession of education, whether active or
retired, should remind themselves that if they are not making people happy
and glad and upbeat and unwilling to change their behaviour, unwilling to
learn, and calling Mr. Ed Green a foul name. Well, I need say no more.



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"Archimedes Plutonium" <plutoniu@willinet.net> wrote in message
news:3A6438E9.F7DE9DDA@willinet.net...
> Edward Green wrote:
> Hi, Ed, I think you are wasting your time for this guy is beyond learning
> anything.

I think that Ed has come to the realization of exactly what you are, Pluto.




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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
[snip]
Nothing.  (What follows was cribbed from Kibo, who was here before
all.)

Archie-Poo was a cashier and then a dishwasher.  He started at
Dartmouth's Hanover Inn about 1990 (his previous employer was a
relative of the manager of the Inn so he got a good reference, he's
said) and about 1993 started posting to various sci.* newsgroups.  He
maintains he took the job at Dartmouth (paying $7/hour when the
relationship ended in 1999) to get access to Dartmouth's campus
computers, which is odd because he took the job about three years
before he discovered the the campus computers.  

He was "Ludwig Plutonium" when he started posting in 1993; previously
he was "Ludwig van Ludvig" and before that "Ludwig Hansen" [adopted
name] and "Ludwig Poehlmann" [birth name].  When he posted about a
run-in with some cops it was clear that the "legal" name changes he
effected weren't effective, because the cops looked him up as "Ludwig
Hansen".  He is also struts as "The King Of Science And Logic," a
title he awarded himself.

Archie-Poo's hot topics include (a) he invented spaghetti, (b) Allen
Greenspan controls OPEC's oil price increases, (c) he's trying to
install three wood stoves in his "homestead", and (d) he likes candy
of various kinds. (d) seems to be the one he comes back to the most.
Around 1998 he explained that the fact that he had a craving for
shredded coconut proved his theory that the Universe was a giant
plutonium atom that was making him superintelligent because the center
of his brain also contains a plutonium atom, unlike the rest of us who
have a carbon atom at the center of our brains.

Archimedes Plutonium <plutoniu@willinet.net>
abuse@willinet.net
newsabuse@supernews.com
(Usenet central kill engine)

-- 
Uncle Al
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In article <3A646F06.55A895D0@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:

> Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> [snip]
> Nothing.  (What follows was cribbed from Kibo, who was here before
> all.)
> 
> Archie-Poo was a cashier and then a dishwasher.  He started at
> Dartmouth's Hanover Inn about 1990 (his previous employer was a
> relative of the manager of the Inn so he got a good reference, he's
> said) and about 1993 started posting to various sci.* newsgroups.  He
> maintains he took the job at Dartmouth (paying $7/hour when the
> relationship ended in 1999) to get access to Dartmouth's campus
> computers, which is odd because he took the job about three years
> before he discovered the the campus computers.  

You just demonstrate, Al, what a world class jackass you are.  Who
cares what Archie's background is?   You post his employment history as
what?  An attempt to demean him or embarrass him?  You're a fool.  An
educated high IQ fool but a fool nonetheless and you're actually quite
a bit more of a vile person than Archie.  Other than than and perhaps
some IQ there's not much that differentiates you two in character. 
You're both borish.

Charles Cagle


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"Archimedes Plutonium" <plutoniu@willinet.net> wrote in message
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> Edward Green wrote:
> Hi, Ed, I think you are wasting your time for this guy is beyond learning
> anything.
>
> > Uncle Al  <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Aside from posting voluminously and hebephrenically, what sins has
Mr.
> > >> Plutonium committed?  I really want to know.
> > >
> > >CROSSPOSTING, YOU JACKASS.  Trolling.  Being prolix and boring.
> > >Wasting untold volunteered dollars as his voluminous crap is hosted in
> > >servers across the planet.
> >
>
> Such language and to think that Al Schwartz at some time in his life was
in
> "education".
>
> One aspect of the Internet since people are not face to face, is that
people
> who are cowards try to portray themselves as strong individuals when in
fact
> they are cowards. Schwartz would never say that to Ed Green face to face.
> Yet the Internet allows this sort of masqerade.
>
> >
> > Bandwidth is cheap.  Bad style is no sin.  But perhaps, if Usenet
> > bandwidth is really not too cheap to meter, it should be metered?
> >
> > Utopian societies work in first embodiments, locally, under the force
> > of strong leaders.  Then, just as available ecological niches will
> > be filled by evolution,  available exploitative niches will be filled
> > by individuals.  We can decry the individuals, but ultimately we will
> > have to alter the system to remove the possibility of their undesired
> > behavior, or new manifestations will constantly appear.
>
> A different example: When a poster refuses to put another in a killfile,
and
> instead stalks the poster with repetitive-character-assassinations. The
> stalking behaviour can be seen by the legal system as tags on posts. Tags
on
> posts is a form of censorship. And to an unmoderated newsgroup such as
> sci.chem. The Uncle Al
> stalking of Archimedes Plutonium is a censorship of his posts. Uncle Al
has
> the right to reply to an A.P. post, and the right to killfile A.P., but to
> continue to follow-up on all A.P. posts to sci.chem and sci.physics with a
> character-assassination reply is a censorship.
>
> I do not know the extent of progress of Internet rules and regulations and
> whether someone has formed a "Internet stalking law". I know that the
> Internet has censorship laws. I see stalking as another form of
censorship.
>
> Clearly, stalking tends to intimidate and bully a poster out of a
newsgroup
> and that is the intent of Uncle Al.
>
> So maybe one of these days or one of these years the bright Sun will shine
> over the Internet where Uncle Al has to stop his stalking.
>
> >
> >
> > And in the process, we always have to decide if the cure is worse than
> > the disease.  Sometimes it is not (sic); that's why almost every
> > stripe of politician and economist, stopping at the anarchist, think
> > we should enforce contracts, and not rely on the innate good of people
> > and social pressure to persuade compliance.  Otherwise, Gresham's law
> > applies.
> >
> > >Archie-Poo is exactly what the Net is not about - profound loud
> > >abundant ignorance attracting crossposts in kind like a warm loose
> > >bowel movement in the forest attracts flies and their maggots.
> >
> > Unfortunately flies and their maggots are a fixture.  To gain freedom
> > of speech we must accept the right to defecate in the forest.  We
> > retain the right to ignore the defecator, that is our remedy.
> >
> > If he commits specific objectionable actions, forbidden to everybody,
> > then they can be forbidden to him also.  Like, in the case of a much
> > lesser offender, posting under 5 different pseudonyms to one group,
> > virtually at the same time.
> >
> > I'm not sure if that is forbidden everybody or not; there are those of
> > us, acerbic, angry or insulting as occasionally occurs, who are
> > satisfied with a single handle.
>
> People with new ideas seem to have the power, whether they want to or not,
> in turning on the hate-button in others. And there seems to be absolutely
> nothing that the person can do to reverse that button.
>
> I had such an experience in my youth, not the hate button in me, but
> observing the hate button in other people and the case was the president
of
> the USA. The president of the USA is one of the people in our society who
> receives this problem more so than others. In my youth while in the
company
> of my peers and the subject of the then-president came up and these people
> so very much hated the president. Beyond any logic or common sense or
> rational good reasoning, these people had turned the hate-button to full
> force on the president. They could not objectively evaluate or appraise
the
> president and his actions. Once the hate-button on those people had
turned--
> well, I should say no more for it is pathetic.
>
> One last comment, since I have not mentioned Alexander Abian for several
> months now. And I was thinking so much of Abian especially over the last
> holidays in December. I don't recall seeing how old Abian was, but I
suspect
> he was in his 70s of age or more before he passed beyond. I truly miss
Abian
> and of the most delightful and joyful experiences in the 1990s of the
> Internet were many occasions of an Abian post to the Internet. When I
think
> back of the "Big Suck theory" Abian's counterproposal to the Big Bang
> theory, I am filled with joy and laughter. Right or wrong it makes no
> difference for the shared joy and pleasure of reading what Abian was
> thinking.
>
> And now I contrast Abian with Uncle Al. A contrast that is as different as
> day is night. And I ask myself now, why has the good Lord taken Abian, a
> person who gave so much joy and delight to many people and yet the good
Lord
> keeps Uncle Al. The answer I have for that is because Heaven is so much
> better than here on Earth even with Internet access. Sure we miss Abian,
but
> he is better in Heaven now, than here on Earth. I sure miss Abian. And I
> believe that all teachers in the profession of education, whether active
or
> retired, should remind themselves that if they are not making people happy
> and glad and upbeat and unwilling to change their behaviour, unwilling to
> learn, and calling Mr. Ed Green a foul name. Well, I need say no more.
>




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I have some experience with this situation, having butted heads with
another in a newsgroup, and then, attempting to move past that,
finding that I had inadvertently forged a longterm one-sided
antagonistic relationship with this person, who continued to follow up
almost every newsgroup related post I made with an invariably
off-topic insult.

This continued after months of my ignoring him. I realized that he was
not just disturbed or filled with misdirected anger, but that he was
intending to purposefully drive me from the newsgroup, which I had
previously enjoyed.

One of the effects of the continued adhominems was an interuption in
most dialogues between myself and other participants. Another was that
I became involuntarily associated with this person, because he
responded to everything I wrote.  My sense was that responses to me
dried up because no-one wanted to deal with the ugliness of the
situation he was creating.

I found myself in a position where I was not enjoying the newsgroup
anymore, but I was disinclined to stop posting altogether because it
would be "giving in." Eventually I did stop posting there. I didn't
give in, really I just didn't enjoy it anymore.

I don't know if his actions could be legally defined as censorship. I
wish there was some way to stop this sort of thing for others, but I
don't really know that there is. It may be just a sad fact of life.

>"Archimedes Plutonium" <plutoniu@willinet.net> wrote in message
>news:3A6438E9.F7DE9DDA@willinet.net...

>> A different example: When a poster refuses to put another in a killfile,
>> instead stalks the poster with repetitive-character-assassinations. The
>> stalking behaviour can be seen by the legal system as tags on posts. Tags
>> on posts is a form of censorship. And to an unmoderated newsgroup such
>> as sci.chem. The Uncle Al stalking of Archimedes Plutonium is a 
>> censorship of his posts. Uncle Al has
>> the right to reply to an A.P. post, and the right to killfile A.P., but to
>> continue to follow-up on all A.P. posts to sci.chem and sci.physics with a
>> character-assassination reply is a censorship.





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Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> I have some experience with this situation, having butted heads with
> another in a newsgroup, and then, attempting to move past that,
> finding that I had inadvertently forged a longterm one-sided
> antagonistic relationship with this person, who continued to follow up
> almost every newsgroup related post I made with an invariably
> off-topic insult.
[snip]

You are aiding and abetting a psychotic who has burned through enough
ISPs to wire all of Asia.

Archimedes Plutonium <plutoniu@willinet.net>
abuse@willinet.net
newsabuse@supernews.com
(Usenet central kill engine)

DON'T CROSSPOST.

-- 
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal/
 (Toxic URLs! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!


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In article <3A6438E9.F7DE9DDA@willinet.net>,
  arc_plutonium@hotmail.com wrote:
> Edward Green wrote:
> Hi, Ed, I think you are wasting your time for this guy is beyond
learning
> anything.
>
> > Uncle Al  <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Aside from posting voluminously and hebephrenically, what sins
has Mr.
> > >> Plutonium committed?  I really want to know.
> > >
> > >CROSSPOSTING, YOU JACKASS.  Trolling.  Being prolix and boring.
> > >Wasting untold volunteered dollars as his voluminous crap is hosted
in
> > >servers across the planet.
> >
>
> Such language and to think that Al Schwartz at some time in his life
was in
> "education".
>
> One aspect of the Internet since people are not face to face, is that
people
> who are cowards try to portray themselves as strong individuals when
in fact
> they are cowards. Schwartz would never say that to Ed Green face to
face.
> Yet the Internet allows this sort of masqerade.
>
> >
> > Bandwidth is cheap.  Bad style is no sin.  But perhaps, if Usenet
> > bandwidth is really not too cheap to meter, it should be metered?
> >
> > Utopian societies work in first embodiments, locally, under the
force
> > of strong leaders.  Then, just as available ecological niches will
> > be filled by evolution,  available exploitative niches will be
filled
> > by individuals.  We can decry the individuals, but ultimately we
will
> > have to alter the system to remove the possibility of their
undesired
> > behavior, or new manifestations will constantly appear.
>
> A different example: When a poster refuses to put another in a
killfile, and
> instead stalks the poster with repetitive-character-assassinations.
The
> stalking behaviour can be seen by the legal system as tags on posts.
Tags on
> posts is a form of censorship. And to an unmoderated newsgroup such as
> sci.chem. The Uncle Al
> stalking of Archimedes Plutonium is a censorship of his posts. Uncle
Al has
> the right to reply to an A.P. post, and the right to killfile A.P.,
but to
> continue to follow-up on all A.P. posts to sci.chem and sci.physics
with a
> character-assassination reply is a censorship.
>
> I do not know the extent of progress of Internet rules and regulations
and
> whether someone has formed a "Internet stalking law". I know that the
> Internet has censorship laws. I see stalking as another form of
censorship.
>
> Clearly, stalking tends to intimidate and bully a poster out of a
newsgroup
> and that is the intent of Uncle Al.
>
> So maybe one of these days or one of these years the bright Sun will
shine
> over the Internet where Uncle Al has to stop his stalking.
>
> >
> >
> > And in the process, we always have to decide if the cure is worse
than
> > the disease.  Sometimes it is not (sic); that's why almost every
> > stripe of politician and economist, stopping at the anarchist, think
> > we should enforce contracts, and not rely on the innate good of
people
> > and social pressure to persuade compliance.  Otherwise, Gresham's
law
> > applies.
> >
> > >Archie-Poo is exactly what the Net is not about - profound loud
> > >abundant ignorance attracting crossposts in kind like a warm loose
> > >bowel movement in the forest attracts flies and their maggots.
> >
> > Unfortunately flies and their maggots are a fixture.  To gain
freedom
> > of speech we must accept the right to defecate in the forest.  We
> > retain the right to ignore the defecator, that is our remedy.
> >
> > If he commits specific objectionable actions, forbidden to
everybody,
> > then they can be forbidden to him also.  Like, in the case of a much
> > lesser offender, posting under 5 different pseudonyms to one group,
> > virtually at the same time.
> >
> > I'm not sure if that is forbidden everybody or not; there are those
of
> > us, acerbic, angry or insulting as occasionally occurs, who are
> > satisfied with a single handle.
>
> People with new ideas seem to have the power, whether they want to or
not,
> in turning on the hate-button in others. And there seems to be
absolutely
> nothing that the person can do to reverse that button.
>
> I had such an experience in my youth, not the hate button in me, but
> observing the hate button in other people and the case was the
president of
> the USA. The president of the USA is one of the people in our society
who
> receives this problem more so than others. In my youth while in the
company
> of my peers and the subject of the then-president came up and these
people
> so very much hated the president. Beyond any logic or common sense or
> rational good reasoning, these people had turned the hate-button to
full
> force on the president. They could not objectively evaluate or
appraise the
> president and his actions. Once the hate-button on those people had
turned--
> well, I should say no more for it is pathetic.
>
> One last comment, since I have not mentioned Alexander Abian for
several
> months now. And I was thinking so much of Abian especially over the
last
> holidays in December. I don't recall seeing how old Abian was, but I
suspect
> he was in his 70s of age or more before he passed beyond. I truly miss
Abian
> and of the most delightful and joyful experiences in the 1990s of the
> Internet were many occasions of an Abian post to the Internet. When I
think
> back of the "Big Suck theory" Abian's counterproposal to the Big Bang
> theory, I am filled with joy and laughter. Right or wrong it makes no
> difference for the shared joy and pleasure of reading what Abian was
> thinking.
>
> And now I contrast Abian with Uncle Al. A contrast that is as
different as
> day is night. And I ask myself now, why has the good Lord taken Abian,
a
> person who gave so much joy and delight to many people and yet the
good Lord
> keeps Uncle Al. The answer I have for that is because Heaven is so
much
> better than here on Earth even with Internet access. Sure we miss
Abian, but
> he is better in Heaven now, than here on Earth. I sure miss Abian. And
I
> believe that all teachers in the profession of education, whether
active or
> retired, should remind themselves that if they are not making people
happy
> and glad and upbeat and unwilling to change their behaviour, unwilling
to
> learn, and calling Mr. Ed Green a foul name. Well, I need say no more.
>
Hey man, this is a computer network. Not a cocktail bar.
Game Over, thanks for playing

             I N S E R T    C O I N     P L E A S E



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Daniel Miller wrote:


> I don't know if his actions could be legally defined as censorship.

***sight***  Please learn at least a modicum of law (or at least read the
Constitution) before you go throwing around terms that you don't understand.
Censorship is only illegal (in fact, it is only defined) in terms of actions of
the government.  Private individuals and organizations have absolutely no
obligation to listen to, or to allow, communication of your words.

    Eric Lucas



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That is consistent with what I said so I don't know why you are giving
me crap and sarcastic sighs, Eric. However I think you should educate
yourself to the fact that the COMMON use of the word censorship is NOT
limited to the actions of the government, for instance it's fair to
depict the moderators of Usenet's moderated groups as censors.

As far as the LEGAL use of the word you are doing quite well and seem
to be on to something. Keep up the good work!

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:42:36 GMT, ERIC LUCAS
<ealucas@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Daniel Miller wrote:

>> I don't know if his actions could be legally defined as censorship.
>
>***sight***  Please learn at least a modicum of law (or at least read the
>Constitution) before you go throwing around terms that you don't understand.
>Censorship is only illegal (in fact, it is only defined) in terms of actions of
>the government.  Private individuals and organizations have absolutely no
>obligation to listen to, or to allow, communication of your words.
>
>    Eric Lucas
>



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You're not talking common usage, you're talking legal usage (you said so yourself),
and in that sense, the word "censorship" only applies to the government--and thus my
sigh.  I'm so tired of every moron in cyberspace crying "censorship" when someone
tries to get them to play nice.  In the same sense that you have a right to have and
express an opinion, I have every right to try to get others to ignore your
opinion--or to get your ISP to revoke your privileges if I think you have violated
your service agreement with them.  The only reason this is illegal for governments,
is that governments have infinitely more power than individuals, and are much more
likely to do harm to society by trying to hush their citizens.  In any case, you
cannot argue with the fact that individuals and private institutions have every
right to limit the speech of others, as long as the government is not complicit.  If
I own a restaurant, and you come in and start saying things I find offensive, I have
every right to tell you to shut up while in my restaurant or get kicked out.  If I
run a radio call-in show and you call in saying things I don't like, I have every
right to hang up on you.  If you don't like it, you're free to either not call or
listen to my radio show.

Common usage of the word "censorship" may apply in these cases, but only by those
who try to claim more rights than they actually have.

    Eric Lucas

Daniel Miller wrote:

> That is consistent with what I said so I don't know why you are giving
> me crap and sarcastic sighs, Eric. However I think you should educate
> yourself to the fact that the COMMON use of the word censorship is NOT
> limited to the actions of the government, for instance it's fair to
> depict the moderators of Usenet's moderated groups as censors.
>
> As far as the LEGAL use of the word you are doing quite well and seem
> to be on to something. Keep up the good work!
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:42:36 GMT, ERIC LUCAS
> <ealucas@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Daniel Miller wrote:
>
> >> I don't know if his actions could be legally defined as censorship.
> >
> >***sight***  Please learn at least a modicum of law (or at least read the
> >Constitution) before you go throwing around terms that you don't understand.
> >Censorship is only illegal (in fact, it is only defined) in terms of actions of
> >the government.  Private individuals and organizations have absolutely no
> >obligation to listen to, or to allow, communication of your words.
> >
> >    Eric Lucas
> >



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From: landsbur@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Steven E. Landsburg)
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Apparently the penalty for using 1800flowers even once is a lifetime
of spam email.  They will not stop spamming me despite repeated 
requests.  All because I ordered flowers from them once.  Do buy
your flowers elsewhere.

Steven E. Landsburg

-- 


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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:40:35 -0800, Steven E. Landsburg wrote
(in message <95nv83$60ud46@biko.cc.rochester.edu>):

> 
> Apparently the penalty for using 1800flowers even once is a lifetime
> of spam email.  They will not stop spamming me despite repeated 
> requests.  All because I ordered flowers from them once.  Do buy
> your flowers elsewhere.

I noticed the same thing myself...

$ grep flower /etc/mail/access
flowernews@aol.com              551 I wouldn't use your florist service again 
if you gave me free flowers and paid me for the privilege of delivering them. 
Go away.

Haven't seen their other addresses/domains, but when I do, they'll end up 
there, too. ;-)

D



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From: landsbur@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Steven E. Landsburg)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse
Subject: Evil Spammer:  thestreet.com
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The attached follows several rounds of merciless spamming.  I went
so far as to phone these bozos and ask them to stop; they said they
would, and the attached is the result.  Needless to say, mail
to customerservice@thestreet.com bounces.  

> From TheStreet@ProcessRequest.com Wed Feb  7 18:04:39 2001
> From: "customerservice@thestreet.com" <TheStreet@ProcessRequest.com>
> To: <landsbur@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
> Subject: Help Us Help You
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:04:43 -0600
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> This is a multipart message in MIME format
> 
> --80152702
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> 
> Dear Former TheStreet.com Subscriber:
> 
> Not too long ago, you registered for a  subscription to 
> TheStreet.com and you provided us with your email address.  Since 
> then, although your subscription expired, we have occasionally sent 
> you promotional emails updating you about changes to our web sites, 
> special subscription offers or other news. 
> 
> In addition, we have from time to time sent you emails containing 
> advertisements from some of our partners.      
> 
> Your privacy is important to us, so, we would like to give you the 
> opportunity to let us know if you no longer wish to receive 
> promotional or advertising emails from us.  To stop receiving either 
> of these types of emails from us, please click below and follow the 
> instructions on the page.  
> http://www.ProcessRequest.com/thestreet/redir.asp?link=3D1222823,YgbgjgejcED 
>     
>  
> 
> If you would like to review our privacy policy, please click here 
> http://www.thestreet.com/tsc/about/privacy.html.   
> 
> If you would still like to continue receiving these emails, then 
> great! 
> You don't have to do a thing.
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> Bernadette Sweeney
> Director - Customer Service
> TheStreet.com 

-- 


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"Steven E. Landsburg" wrote:
> 
> The attached follows several rounds of merciless spamming.  I went
> so far as to phone these bozos and ask them to stop; they said they
> would, and the attached is the result.  Needless to say, mail
> to customerservice@thestreet.com bounces.
> 
> > From TheStreet@ProcessRequest.com Wed Feb  7 18:04:39 2001
> > From: "customerservice@thestreet.com" <TheStreet@ProcessRequest.com>
> > To: <landsbur@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
> > Subject: Help Us Help You
> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:04:43 -0600
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> >
> > This is a multipart message in MIME format
> >
> > --80152702
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> >         charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > Dear Former TheStreet.com Subscriber:
> >
> > Not too long ago, you registered for a  subscription to
> > TheStreet.com and you provided us with your email address.  Since
> > then, although your subscription expired, we have occasionally sent
> > you promotional emails updating you about changes to our web sites,
> > special subscription offers or other news.
> >
> > In addition, we have from time to time sent you emails containing
> > advertisements from some of our partners.
> >
> > Your privacy is important to us, so, we would like to give you the
> > opportunity to let us know if you no longer wish to receive
> > promotional or advertising emails from us.  To stop receiving either
> > of these types of emails from us, please click below and follow the
> > instructions on the page.
> > http://www.ProcessRequest.com/thestreet/redir.asp?link=3D1222823,YgbgjgejcED
> >
> >
> >
> > If you would like to review our privacy policy, please click here
> > http://www.thestreet.com/tsc/about/privacy.html.
> >
> > If you would still like to continue receiving these emails, then
> > great!
> > You don't have to do a thing.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > Bernadette Sweeney
> > Director - Customer Service
> > TheStreet.com

 Good afternoon Steven

 1. talk to your university computer administrators concerning blocking traffic
   to and from thestreet.com
    TheStreet.Com (NETBLK-PNAP-NYC-STRT-RM-01) PNAP-NYC-STRT-RM-01
              209.191.134.0 - 209.191.134.255

 2. Contact your university legal clinic. It appears that you have grounds for
   a civil lawsuit for harassment. You told them to stop and they did not.

    If you decide to go the legal route, keep ALL the correspondence. Including
   any spam that they sent you.

 Regards
 David Ramalho


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Derek Balling wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:40:35 -0800, Steven E. Landsburg wrote
> (in message <95nv83$60ud46@biko.cc.rochester.edu>):

> >
> > Apparently the penalty for using 1800flowers even once is a lifetime
> > of spam email.  They will not stop spamming me despite repeated
> > requests.  All because I ordered flowers from them once.  Do buy
> > your flowers elsewhere.

> I noticed the same thing myself...

> $ grep flower /etc/mail/access
> flowernews@aol.com              551 I wouldn't use your florist service again
> if you gave me free flowers and paid me for the privilege of delivering them.
> Go away.

Gee Derek, you should at least say, Go away SPAMMER.

> Haven't seen their other addresses/domains, but when I do, they'll end up
> there, too. ;-)

> D


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Lizard Blizzard wrote:
>Derek Balling wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:40:35 -0800, Steven E. Landsburg wrote
>> (in message <95nv83$60ud46@biko.cc.rochester.edu>):
>
>> >
>> > Apparently the penalty for using 1800flowers even once is a lifetime
>> > of spam email.  They will not stop spamming me despite repeated
>> > requests.  All because I ordered flowers from them once.  Do buy
>> > your flowers elsewhere.
>
>> I noticed the same thing myself...
>
>> $ grep flower /etc/mail/access
>> flowernews@aol.com              551 I wouldn't use your florist service again
>> if you gave me free flowers and paid me for the privilege of delivering them.
>> Go away.
>
>Gee Derek, you should at least say, Go away SPAMMER.
>
>> Haven't seen their other addresses/domains, but when I do, they'll end up
>> there, too. ;-)
>
>> D


Hmmm I've used them lately, haven't had any UCE...yet. 
Mind you I can always bounce them if they start.


Van der Ivor

--

"A BT Engineer called to verify the existence of a self-aware
    artificial intelligence in the phone network, but you were out."




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On 6 Feb 2001 04:40:35 GMT, landsbur@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Steven E.
Landsburg) wrote:

> Apparently the penalty for using 1800flowers even once is a lifetime
> of spam email.  They will not stop spamming me despite repeated 
> requests.  All because I ordered flowers from them once.  Do buy
> your flowers elsewhere.

I had a similar experience.  Ordered from them once, in May 1999.  Got
spammed monthly from July 1999 to March 2000.  The "remove"
instructions in the spams elicited an autoresponse and otherwise
achieved nothing.  Out of desperation, on one occasion I tried their
online customer service.  "Cathleen" took my complaint and said the
problem would be taken care of.  It wasn't.

Repeated complaints eventually (December 2000) got to the ear of Joe
Hage, Director of Marketing, who tried to appease me with a $5 gift
certificate and personally assured me that they'd remove my name from
their list.  His assurance was for nought.  The spam continued.

AOL and FRYMULTI.COM (ISP hosting the website at the time, I haven't
checked to see if they still are) both completely ignored my
complaints.

The last complaint I sent was copied to every contact listed in the
whois database for both 1800flowers.com and frymulti.com, in addition
to jhage.  Finally, the spam stopped.  That seems to be what it takes.

And the sad thing is, I was perfectly happy with their service, and
would have used it again, if only the damn fools hadn't spammed me.

-Mark-


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Remember ARSBOMB anyone?

If so, this oughtta make your day!  :)

Mistmagoo55 wrote:
> 
> As  I have posted, I was asked to cruise the net and look for any "OT" material
> on the Internet. This was where I came upon Andreas' site, www.xenu.net. I
> think I was first asked to do this in 1997 or so.
> 
> In 1998 a friend of mine, and someone I totally trusted (my auditor, and
> longtime friend, Bill) called and asked me to do a favor for OSA. He told me it
> was very important. I told him I would come over and find out what it was. He
> gave me a bit of money and asked me to go to an address on Wilshire Blvd. at a
> certain address. He said to just walk up to the door, and tell the man you want
> to "open an ISP". He gave me a name to put it in, and said to give him the
> money. At the time I knew basically nothing about computers, so I had NO idea
> what this all meant.
> 
> I did what he said, and although the young man looked pretty confused, and at
> first told me to just send it in�?�Bill had made it clear it was very important
> to get it signed up right there. So I passed on this urgency, and he said OK
> and took my (OSA"s) money.
> 
> I returned to tell Bill what had occurred. Shortly after he called me to tell
> me, "You have made Internet History".  Not knowing anything about computers or
> the Internet, I had no idea what he was referring to, and was just happy it
> seemed to be a "good product". Little did I know what this really meant.
> 
> Soon after I was invited to do more of these. Again, not having any real clue
> about them, I was just told by Bill that it was key to handling the critics and
> religious bigots who were trying to destroy Scientology.  Before I could really
> begin this project, Bill told me to meet him over at OSA INT. Now remember I
> was already working with the VP of the C of S with the Scietnology Parishioners
> League (SPL), so I was used to OSA INT. However they always keep their projects
> separate and this was no different.
> 
>  OSA INT is in a building on Hollywood Blvd. Near Vine. It is called "the HGB"
> which was the building's name pre Scientology. The Hollywood Guarantee
> Building" I think was it's official name. I arrived there and a guard who is
> always at the front gate greeted Bill and I. He called up to OSA INT, and a man
> came down. He was medium height, and had brown hair. Bill introduced him to me.
> "This is Gavino". Gavino is Italian, and although I had never seen him before
> (ever) he seemed to know me.
> We went back up the elevator to OSA INT, to the reception area. They no longer
> let public in to the internal areas of OSA. So we sat in their conference room,
> next to the reception area. I was told I would have to sign something, as this
> project was TOP TOP SECRET.
> 
> Gavino gave it to me to read, and I will never forget my surprise. It may have
> been one of the huge cracks in the Truman Show.
> 
> Here on this paper it said something to the effect of, "I promise not to tell
> ANYONE about this project. This would include forever never telling any
> auditor, any of the exec's of Scientology, not any ethics officers, etc. I
> think it even went on to name Heber and a few other well-known execs as people
> I would never tell. The price was $10,000 if I ever revealed ANYTHING to ANYONE
> about this, EVER.  I stood there sort of in shock.
> 
> Remember back then I was still planning on going back onto OT 7, which has
> rigorous sec-checking about everything. How could I not tell my auditor? Bill
> looked at me calmly and said, "Don't worry. They have very special auditors at
> Flag for you. It won't be a problem."
> 
> Since I trusted Bill completely, I signed it. I shouldn't have, as there was
> this queasy feeling I had in my stomach, but I wanted to help out, and I truly
> knew Bill would never, ever do anything bad or harmful. I forgot to factor in
> that people do get sucked in within this group, but of course at that point I
> wasn't thinking of that.
> 
> So now I was part of this top-secret Internet project. The head OSA INT person
> for this was (and probably still is, the very secret Gavino�?�no longer secret.
> And to those feeble minded who feel this is "bad" to out someone who did
> something of this nature�?�try looking at the whole picture!) If Gavino ever
> called me on the phone, he was known as "Jack". Gavino is Clear, and I don't
> know how long he has been in Scientology, but he was/is the I/C of this very
> secret Internet project. I was told, although it was totally secret, it was
> 100% legal.  I will tell you more of this as we go along.
> 
> And to Gavino�?�.remember when you said "I told you about her Bill"? Well, I am
> sure you are feeling just SO right at this time. You knew�?�or so you thought.
> The truth is, you are endangering your "church' and yes, I am telling these
> people about it. You and your OSA mafia have sworn on ARS that C of S had
> "nothing to do with the spamming". Well you and I know differently, and at the
> very least, I say they are owed the truth.
> 
> In any battle, people do what they feel is best for their group. I want you to
> really take a hard look at what exactly this OSA mafia group has been doing.
> Read over what Hubbard himself said about the Guardian's Office back when they
> were busted, and re-evaluate what you are doing.
> 
> Don't you honestly think it is time for a new game plan?
> 
> Think it over.
> 
> Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight~
> In for 30 years
> Out for 8 months
> SP 5
> Free at last!
> (more info at www.xenu.net/Tory)

-- 
   You see right through distorted eyes, you know you have to learn
         The execution of your mind, you really have to turn
      The race is run, the book is read, the end begins to show
    The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know
                                                       - Black Sabbath

-- www.xenu.net -- www.lermanet.com -- http://warrior.offlines.org/ --
      spamkiller in use - reply to don "at" lindner2k "dot" com


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DaHatter wrote:
> 
> Remember ARSBOMB anyone?
> 
> If so, this oughtta make your day!  :)
> 
> Mistmagoo55 wrote:
> >
> > As  I have posted, I was asked to cruise the net and look for any "OT" material
> > on the Internet. This was where I came upon Andreas' site, www.xenu.net. I
> > think I was first asked to do this in 1997 or so.
> >
> > In 1998 a friend of mine, and someone I totally trusted (my auditor, and
> > longtime friend, Bill) called and asked me to do a favor for OSA. He told me it
> > was very important. I told him I would come over and find out what it was. He
> > gave me a bit of money and asked me to go to an address on Wilshire Blvd. at a
> > certain address. He said to just walk up to the door, and tell the man you want
> > to "open an ISP". He gave me a name to put it in, and said to give him the
> > money. At the time I knew basically nothing about computers, so I had NO idea
> > what this all meant.
> >
> > I did what he said, and although the young man looked pretty confused, and at
> > first told me to just send it in�?�Bill had made it clear it was very important
> > to get it signed up right there. So I passed on this urgency, and he said OK
> > and took my (OSA"s) money.
> >
> > I returned to tell Bill what had occurred. Shortly after he called me to tell
> > me, "You have made Internet History".  Not knowing anything about computers or
> > the Internet, I had no idea what he was referring to, and was just happy it
> > seemed to be a "good product". Little did I know what this really meant.
> >
> > Soon after I was invited to do more of these. Again, not having any real clue
> > about them, I was just told by Bill that it was key to handling the critics and
> > religious bigots who were trying to destroy Scientology.  Before I could really
> > begin this project, Bill told me to meet him over at OSA INT. Now remember I
> > was already working with the VP of the C of S with the Scietnology Parishioners
> > League (SPL), so I was used to OSA INT. However they always keep their projects
> > separate and this was no different.
> >
> >  OSA INT is in a building on Hollywood Blvd. Near Vine. It is called "the HGB"
> > which was the building's name pre Scientology. The Hollywood Guarantee
> > Building" I think was it's official name. I arrived there and a guard who is
> > always at the front gate greeted Bill and I. He called up to OSA INT, and a man
> > came down. He was medium height, and had brown hair. Bill introduced him to me.
> > "This is Gavino". Gavino is Italian, and although I had never seen him before
> > (ever) he seemed to know me.
> > We went back up the elevator to OSA INT, to the reception area. They no longer
> > let public in to the internal areas of OSA. So we sat in their conference room,
> > next to the reception area. I was told I would have to sign something, as this
> > project was TOP TOP SECRET.
> >
> > Gavino gave it to me to read, and I will never forget my surprise. It may have
> > been one of the huge cracks in the Truman Show.
> >
> > Here on this paper it said something to the effect of, "I promise not to tell
> > ANYONE about this project. This would include forever never telling any
> > auditor, any of the exec's of Scientology, not any ethics officers, etc. I
> > think it even went on to name Heber and a few other well-known execs as people
> > I would never tell. The price was $10,000 if I ever revealed ANYTHING to ANYONE
> > about this, EVER.  I stood there sort of in shock.
> >
> > Remember back then I was still planning on going back onto OT 7, which has
> > rigorous sec-checking about everything. How could I not tell my auditor? Bill
> > looked at me calmly and said, "Don't worry. They have very special auditors at
> > Flag for you. It won't be a problem."
> >
> > Since I trusted Bill completely, I signed it. I shouldn't have, as there was
> > this queasy feeling I had in my stomach, but I wanted to help out, and I truly
> > knew Bill would never, ever do anything bad or harmful. I forgot to factor in
> > that people do get sucked in within this group, but of course at that point I
> > wasn't thinking of that.
> >
> > So now I was part of this top-secret Internet project. The head OSA INT person
> > for this was (and probably still is, the very secret Gavino�?�no longer secret.
> > And to those feeble minded who feel this is "bad" to out someone who did
> > something of this nature�?�try looking at the whole picture!) If Gavino ever
> > called me on the phone, he was known as "Jack". Gavino is Clear, and I don't
> > know how long he has been in Scientology, but he was/is the I/C of this very
> > secret Internet project. I was told, although it was totally secret, it was
> > 100% legal.  I will tell you more of this as we go along.
> >
> > And to Gavino�?�.remember when you said "I told you about her Bill"? Well, I am
> > sure you are feeling just SO right at this time. You knew�?�or so you thought.
> > The truth is, you are endangering your "church' and yes, I am telling these
> > people about it. You and your OSA mafia have sworn on ARS that C of S had
> > "nothing to do with the spamming". Well you and I know differently, and at the
> > very least, I say they are owed the truth.
> >
> > In any battle, people do what they feel is best for their group. I want you to
> > really take a hard look at what exactly this OSA mafia group has been doing.
> > Read over what Hubbard himself said about the Guardian's Office back when they
> > were busted, and re-evaluate what you are doing.
> >
> > Don't you honestly think it is time for a new game plan?
> >
> > Think it over.
> >
> > Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight~
> > In for 30 years
> > Out for 8 months
> > SP 5
> > Free at last!
> > (more info at www.xenu.net/Tory)

-- 
   You see right through distorted eyes, you know you have to learn
         The execution of your mind, you really have to turn
      The race is run, the book is read, the end begins to show
    The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know
                                                       - Black Sabbath

-- www.xenu.net -- www.lermanet.com -- http://warrior.offlines.org/ --
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from
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/scientology/spam-team-faq.html

PREFACE:
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-

Because the Spam Team stopped its attack sometime in December, 1996, and 
(as of the second week of April, 1997) they have shown no sign of 
restarting it, this is the final appearance of this monthly FAQ on
Usenet.  

I shall retire it after this posting.

Because of its value to novice ISPs as a reference for spammer-
fighting techniques, I shall maintain a copy of the 22 Dec 1996 release 
posted below at <http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/WIS_Spam_Team_FAQ.html> 
for the indefinite future.   

Should the attack recommence, I shall, of course, resume posting the
FAQ.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-


The "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team FAQ for Los Angeles Area ISPs

Version 1.7  -- 22 Dec 1996

    Do you run an Internet Service Provider or Internet-connected
    Bulletin Board Service in the metro Los Angeles area?

    Has a woman (or two women) come to your office recently to
    open a temporary SLIP or PPP account "for my son" or "for my
    brother who will be staying with me for a month on vacation"
    -- happy, maybe even insisting, on paying for the month in
    cash, or paying for the account using a credit card with a name 
    on it other than the name they give for the account holder?

    Has a man called you and asked you to set up a temporary 
    account "for a friend who is coming to visit?"

    The odds are extremely good that this account is about to be
    abused by the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team, as part of 
    an ongoing theft-of-service and denial-of-service attack on a
    Usenet Newsgroup.

    Do yourself a big favor; go lock the account they opened -- 
    then come back and read the rest of this FAQ.

*-----------------------------------------------------------------*

This FAQ attempts to answer the following questions:

1)  What is the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Attack?

2)  Who is the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team?

3)  How does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team work?

4)  Where does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team operate?

5)  What ISPs have been victimized by the "What Is Scientology?" 
    Spam Team?

6)  Does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team ever just leave 
    an ISP?

7)  What will happen if I just ignore the "What Is Scientology?" 
    Spam Team while it's using my system?

8)  Spamming isn't illegal.  Why should I care about the 
    "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team?

9)  I think the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team may have purchased 
    an account on my system.  What should I do?

10) I'm getting reports from people about the "What Is Scientology" 
    Spam Team using my system, but I don't know what to do.  How can 
    I identify which accounts they are using?  How can I stop them
    from spamming?

*-----------------------------------------------------------------*

1)  What is the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Attack?

Put simply, the "What Is Scientology?" (WIS) Spam Attack is an 
apparent attempt by someone -- either the Church of Scientology, its
employees or its sympathizers -- to stifle the speech of people who
discuss, on the Usenet Newsgroup alt.religion.scientology, the past
and present wrongful practices and criminal acts of the Scientology
organization, its leadership, its corporate entities, and its
employees.

This attack has been in progress since May 19, 1996, and more 
than 100,000 posts have been flooded into alt.religion.scientology to
date, in an apparent effort to "harass and discourage[1]" the regular
participants in the ongoing discussions there.

More information may be obtained at the following URLs:

  http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/spam/info.html
  http://www.now.com/issues/15/44/News/feature.html
  http://pathfinder.com/Netly/daily/960923.html

2)  Who is the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team?

The WIS Spam Team appears to consist of at least three people;  a man
of undetermined age, a young woman, and an older woman. Investigators
have yet to make a complete identification, though certain names seem
to keep coming up in the investigation.  In the month of October 1996, 
the Spam Team appears to have developed new cover stories, and have 
been using these new stories to open accounts.  They may also have 
recruited new personnel.  As investigation turns up new cover stories, 
they will be included in future versions of this FAQ.


3)  How does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team work?

The WIS Spam Team's _modus_operandi_ (M.O.) is fairly invariant.  As
described in the opening paragraphs of this FAQ, they typically open a 
temporary SLIP/PPP account on an ISP, paying for a month in advance.  
The account may remain idle for weeks, while the WIS Spam Team abuses
other system's accounts in the following manner:

    They find several open NNTP servers they can abuse.   Once
    they begin to abuse an NNTP server, they will continue to
    post through it (using multiple forged From: addresses) between a
    dozen and 2000 articles a night, repeating sets of about 700
    different articles (usually excerpts from the book "What Is
    Scientology?", or old Scientology press releases, always
    advertising several official Scientology Web sites), at a rate of
    up to ten per minute.  They have been known to post 10,000
    articles non-stop over a single weekend, sometimes using more 
    than one account simultaneously.

    They will not stop until forced to stop, either by the
    victimized NNTP server being closed to them, or by losing
    their account when the ISP identifies it.  Some ISPs have
    reported closing more than one account at a time, either
    paid for in cash or using a third-party's credit card bearing a
    name other than the name given by the account holder. Addresses
    and phone numbers given by the WIS Spam Team are invariably phony.

    Put simply, they lie. They are reported to be very convincing liars.

When the other accounts are closed by the other ISPs, your system's turn
comes around.


4)  Where does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team operate?

At present, the WIS Spam Team operates out of somewhere in the 
metropolitan Los Angeles area.  There have been small spams not 
following the standard MO run out of other locations (including
one using bitwise.net in Boston, and small spams from AOL) but 
they seem to be attempts at distraction from the standard pattern.

WIS Spam Team accounts have been closed all over the L.A. area, 
after being used by the WIS Spam Team to post thousands of articles 
to alt.religion.scientology, using NNTP servers all over the world[3].


5)  What ISPs have been victimized by the "What Is Scientology?" 
    Spam Team?

directnet.com, westworld.com, wdc.net, barepower.net, netroplex.com,
interline.net, instanet.com, linkonline.net, loop.com, k-net.net,
dsphere.com, wavenet.com, internetconnect.net, cyberesc.net, 4link.net 
and annex.com are just a FEW of the ISPs who have suffered from hosting 
WIS Spam Team accounts.


6)  Does the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team ever just leave 
    an ISP?

No.  Once begun, these attacks will continue for days (sometimes
weeks) at a time.  To my knowledge, the WIS Spam Team has never just 
left an ISP.  They only stop when the ISP closes their account.


7)  What will happen if I just ignore the "What Is Scientology?" 
    Spam Team while it's using my system?

Because the newsgroup under attack, alt.religion.scientology, is one
of the most-read Usenet newsgroups, the hounds of virtual hell come
down on the WIS Spam Team's unfortunate ISP for the duration of the
attack.  Complaints come pouring in by email, fax, and telephone,
along with megabytes of Spam article headers -- which may be useful to
match logs against posting times when one tries to identify the
offending account, but which tend to clog system administrators'
inboxes.

Some systems have had to spend WEEKS (and hundreds of person-hours)
identifying the offending account, all the while suffering flames --
by email and posted all over Usenet -- from victimized readers of
alt.religion.scientology, and from other anti-net-abuse activists. 
It's unpleasant, to say the least.

Also, ISPs that demonstrate an inability or unwillingness to stop the
WIS Spam Team's attacks often attract the attention of unsavory
commercial Usenet spammers, who flock to those ISPs in the hope of
perpetrating their own spams unhindered.  Such customers, and the
complaints they inevitably generate, are more trouble than the income
from them is worth.  Their activity is likely to further damage your
system's reputation, and you may lose many of your respectable
customers as a result.


8)  Spamming isn't illegal.  Why should I care about the 
    "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team?

Small-scale spamming may not be illegal;  but the kind of spam-flood
the WIS Spam Team engages in -- attempting to make impossible the
regular use of alt.religion.scientology -- falls in the category of
Denial Of Service Attack, which is clearly illegal under 18 USC sec.
1030 [4].  (By the way, section 1030(g) provides for civil actions by
injured parties, so once the Spam Team is caught, there is likely to
be a long list of Federal civil suits brought against them, as well.) 

Furthermore, by using NNTP servers other than those belonging to their 
ISPs to post thousands of articles without authorization from the owners 
of those servers (usually making use of little-known security holes in 
INN to post through NNTP servers not intentionally left open[5] -- the 
equivalent of picking the lock of a stranger's door to go into his 
house and make prank phone calls from the stranger's phone), the WIS 
Spam Team is committing Theft Of Services, also illegal under state 
laws in every one of the United States.

To compound their criminality, in the course of their attacks, the WIS
Spam Team has been known to post (unauthorized, of course) through
.gov and even .mil NNTP servers -- which is Unauthorized Use of
Federal Computing Resources, illegal under 18 USC section 1030(a)(3).

The US Department of Energy is currently investigating just such
abuses of Federal computing systems at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory.


9)  I think the "What Is Scientology?" Spam Team may have opened 
    an account on my system.  What should I do?

The FBI is also investigating this ongoing attack.  If you think you
may have innocently opened an account for the "What Is Scientology"
Spam Team, give a call to one of the following FBI agents, each of
whom has been briefed on this case:

   Agent Hugh McLean                  Agent Charles Neal
   Phone: 1-202-324-9164              Phone: 1-310-996-3854
   Fax: 1-202-324-6363

And in the meantime, if you haven't already done what I suggested
earlier, save yourself a whole lot of wasted time and trouble.

Lock the account now.

If you suspect IN THE SLIGHTEST that you may be a victim of the "What
Is Scientology" Spam Team, or if you have opened an account in a
manner that fits the M.O. described above, lock the suspect account.  

Just lock it. 

Don't send a warning or an inquiry.  These criminals do not respond 
to warnings or inquiries. The WIS Spam Team, after they have received
past warnings or inquiries, just remained logged on to the ISP's system 
24 hours a day, pumping out the spam as long as they could get away with 
it, until the account was finally locked and their access was revoked.

If you lock the account and your suspicions are correct, you will
probably
not hear from the WIS Spam Team again.  Once an account is locked, they
do
not complain;  when the jig is up, they just move on to another
unfortunate 
provider.  While they have recently begun to return to providers where 
they had once before held accounts, it was only after having been
elsewhere 
for several months.

If someone calls to complain about the locked account, the odds are
good (unless the WIS Spam Team changes its M.O., which IS possible)
that it's a legitimate account, and you can simply fix the "technical
problem" and everything will probably be all right.

But please don't take any unnecessary chances.  A few minutes of
prevention here can save you many hours of cure.

If the holder of the suspect account does call and complain
(especially if the account hasn't been used yet) it's probably a good
idea to ask for (and make a record of) a telephone number you can call
back for confirmation that the person calling is indeed the account
holder.  You can say that the callback is a necessary security
measure.  

Then call that number, and confirm that the person who called you is
actually at that number, before unlocking the account.  The WIS Spam
Team will not give you a legitimate phone number (except, perhaps, the
number of a public pay telephone) to call back, because it might be
used later to identify them.

If you want to confirm the legitimacy of the telephone number, and you
don't have access to a reverse telephone directory or a CD-ROM
telephone directory, your telephone company will probably tell you if
a particular telephone number is indeed that of a public pay telephone.

10) I'm getting reports from people about the "What Is Scientology" 
    Spam Team using my system, but I don't know what to do.  How can 
    I identify which accounts they are using?  How can I stop them
    from spamming?

There are a number of ways you can identify the accounts the Spam 
Team is using:

A) When they set up the account (or accounts) they are using, these 
   people gave your staff false names and telephone numbers.  The 
   account may have been opened by one or two women who came into 
   your office and paid cash for a brother/son who was going to visit 
   them for a month;  or a man may have called and opened an account 
   over the phone with a promise to send in a check that has not come;
   or a man may have called up and asked you to set up an account 
   "for a friend who was coming to visit"; or they may simply have 
   opened a "free trial account", if you happen to offer them.

   They were using a credit card (in a name different from the names
   they gave for themselves and the account holder) for a while, but
   they stopped that practice around July or August of 1996 -- though 
   they may start doing that again at any time, especially if you 
   require a credit card number to open a free trial account.

   To identify which accounts are likely to be the Spam Team's, go 
   through your recent new accounts, within the last month or so.  
   Find out which of them fit these patterns.  Try calling the numbers 
   they gave you at different times of the day.  If you get no answer, 
   or if you get a message that it is a bogus number (or an office of 
   the Church of Scientology), or if the phone company tells you it 
   is a telephone booth, lock the account.

B) A harder (but surer) way is by gathering spam headers and checking
   the logs for the dialups listed in the NNTP-Posting-Host: header
   lines against the posting times in those headers, to determine which
   user matches all the times.  This method is a lot more work, and it
   takes longer, but once you make the connection, it is certain.
   Then shut that account down. This is the system that several ISPs
   have used.

C) The third way may inconvenience some of your legitimate users
   who may legitimately use outside NNTP servers, but if all else
   fails, you may have to do what some other victimized ISPs have
   done -- ask your provider to filter outgoing NNTP connections
   from your site.

D) This Spam Team usually likes to operate through the night,
   because the small ISPs it likes to abuse tend not to have staff 
   monitoring systems late at night, and they are less likely to 
   get caught.  During times when the Spam Team is likely to be 
   active, use network monitoring tools like "netstat" under SunOS 
   to check what ports are active between your dial-in server and 
   the NNTP ports on other machines. A perl or shell script run 
   from "cron" could easily log this activity with a minimum of 
   mess.

E) Obtain the Caller-ID information from your dial-in lines. 
   The Hylafax freeware for UNIX systems (you can find it at 
   <ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/fax> provides both dial-in and fax-
   in/out software that's very powerful and very friendly. It 
   automatically collects Caller-ID from any modems that support 
   the feature.  It also easily supports mailfax gateways for 
   your users (billed to their accounts with a bit of programming 
   added) or only your staff, for faxing forms and bills to your 
   customers. It also handles configuring modems for dialup and 
   PPP rather well.

F) Sometimes the simplest measures can be the most effective. 
   If your modems are external, walk over to them and watch the 
   traffic on the LED's for a while when the Spam Team is likely 
   to be working.  The perpetrator is almost entirely *transmitting* 
   data, for hours and hours. This is extremely unusual for dialup 
   lines, which will more frequently download for extended periods.

G) You can make your system less inviting for the Spam Team if, 
   in your contracts and connection messages on your systems, you 
   remind users that you reserve the right to monitor their activity 
   for security reasons.

Method A is generally the quickest and has proved over time to be 
the most effective;  but a combination of the other methods may 
prove to be most useful for you, if you are unfortunate enough to 
be hosting the WIS Spam Team.

Good luck.

And be careful out there.

Footnotes:

[1] In 1955, L. Ron Hubbard wrote in
_A_Manual_on_the_Dissemination_of_Material_ (one of the Sacred
Scriptures of the Church of Scientology), "The purpose of a lawsuit 
is to harass and discourage rather than to win. Don't ever defend. 
Always attack. Find or manufacture enough threat against them to 
cause them to sue for peace. ... The law can be used very easily to
harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is on the thin edge
anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be
sufficient to cause his professional demise. If possible, of course,
ruin him utterly."   This practice continues to this day, and the
present spam-flood of alt.religion.scientology is merely the latest
means of harassment being employed by this cult.  For evidence that it
IS the cult engaging in this harassment, I need only point out that
all of the articles being spammed are (c) copyright Church of
Scientology International, and no legal action is being taken against
the perpetrator, while hundreds of persons who have quoted as few as
seven lines of Scientology scripture on alt.religion.scientology
received email from hkk@netcom.com <Helena K. Kobrin>, attorney for
the Cult, threatening legal action; and several cases are now pending
in Federal courts against persons who quoted larger fair-use extracts 
of Cult scripture in discussion on alt.religion.scientology[2].

[2] See <http://www.tiac.net/users/modemac/cos.html>, 
<http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/home.html> and
<http://www.icon.fi/~marina/rnewman/index.htm> for more information.

[3] The WIS Spam Team has only used its own ISP's NNTP server once,
after having been on that system for a month, just as the account was
due to expire (and its admins had just closed a second account on the
same system).  It was a sort of parting shot, one last insult added to
the injury.

[4] See <http://www.panix.com/~eck/computer-fraud-act.html> for the 
text of 18 USC Section 1030.

[5] All official releases of INN through 1.4sec2 allow "blind" posting 
to any group on the server by anyone with posting authorization for 
any group. This is fixed in more recent versions. 

The latest version is 1.5 -- See <http://www.isc.org/isc/> for details.



-- 
   You see right through distorted eyes, you know you have to learn
         The execution of your mind, you really have to turn
      The race is run, the book is read, the end begins to show
    The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know
                                                       - Black Sabbath

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Hello,

I have an NT server and many clients connected to it, this clients can
go out to the internet.

I want to have some kind of NT security setup if possible or some
firewall kind of software to buy in order to set a list of web sites
were a given client can go.

Is this possible ? how ? please tell me if I can do it by NT setup or
recommend me the best firewall like software to buy.

Thanks a lot,

Mario Desiderio





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My ISP was broken into last night by an intruder using the 
(patched today,of course!!!) BSD telnetd remote bug (see
the freebsd.org website for the patch).

Having obtained root access,the intruder then went to a
home.dal.net webpage that has been there for two weeks,
offering programs for and advice on compromising the security
of Windows,Linux,and BSD machines.(I'm afraid offering the 
exact URL here would do more harm than good).

DALnet does not answer its telephones except with a recorded
message telling people to email them instead.I hope that some
pressure can be brought upon them to make sure their site is
not used for providing tools for crooks in the future.Their
home.dal.net TOS don't seem to spell out that there are to
be no illegal uses of the space provided!


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Contact DALnet's C00(Spike/MirclMax) or CEO(taz) and ask them about it.

--Phil

Louis Epstein wrote:
> 
> My ISP was broken into last night by an intruder using the
> (patched today,of course!!!) BSD telnetd remote bug (see
> the freebsd.org website for the patch).
> 
> Having obtained root access,the intruder then went to a
> home.dal.net webpage that has been there for two weeks,
> offering programs for and advice on compromising the security
> of Windows,Linux,and BSD machines.(I'm afraid offering the
> exact URL here would do more harm than good).
> 
> DALnet does not answer its telephones except with a recorded
> message telling people to email them instead.I hope that some
> pressure can be brought upon them to make sure their site is
> not used for providing tools for crooks in the future.Their
> home.dal.net TOS don't seem to spell out that there are to
> be no illegal uses of the space provided!

-- 
Phil Casimiri
First-Aid Certified
St. John Ambulance


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    How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
    I cannot let my child engage in meaningful discussion of God's existence
when posts like

"[Hammond]
Why don't you get your jackass mouth off of alt.sci.proof-of-god
criminal fuckstick?"

are so prevalent among these threads.

    I find it appalling that meaningful discussion suffers while afk-mn is
flooded with nasty, abusive posts. I therefore recommend that Mr Hammond be
UDP'ed straightaway. Clealy, sir, he has been asking for it.

    Thanks you for yuor consideration.

    -Hobo Chang Ba, MD, PhD, all-around scientific scientist who thinks only
about science.


-----MEOW-----

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-----MOEW-----

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On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:56:00 -0700, "Hobo Chang Ba"
<HCB@meowcities.org> wrote:

>    How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
>drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
>erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
>    I cannot let my child engage in meaningful discussion of God's existence
>when posts like
>
>"[Hammond]
>Why don't you get your jackass mouth off of alt.sci.proof-of-god
>criminal fuckstick?"

We at the CUC are considering fines for obsenities uttered by
Mr.Hammond, and possibly a official usenet ban for his misconduct.
Our cheif administrator is weighing these options as of this moment.
>
>are so prevalent among these threads.
>
>    I find it appalling that meaningful discussion suffers while afk-mn is
>flooded with nasty, abusive posts. I therefore recommend that Mr Hammond be
>UDP'ed straightaway. Clealy, sir, he has been asking for it.
>
>    Thanks you for yuor consideration.
>
>    -Hobo Chang Ba, MD, PhD, all-around scientific scientist who thinks only
>about science.
>
>
>-----MEOW-----
>
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>
>
>-----MOEW-----
>
>...this space under construction to better serve you in teh future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------
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>
>"...if you're nice to me, I'll tell you about the rabbits..."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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"Hobo Chang Ba" <HCB@meowcities.org> wrote in
news:9m7eqo$ta7$0@pita.alt.net: 

>     How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
> drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
> erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
>     I cannot let my child engage in meaningful discussion of God's
>     existence 
> when posts like
> 
> "[Hammond]
> Why don't you get your jackass mouth off of alt.sci.proof-of-god
> criminal fuckstick?"
> 
> are so prevalent among these threads.
> 
>     I find it appalling that meaningful discussion suffers while afk-mn
>     is 
> flooded with nasty, abusive posts. I therefore recommend that Mr
> Hammond be UDP'ed straightaway. Clealy, sir, he has been asking for it.
> 
>     Thanks you for yuor consideration.
> 
>     -Hobo Chang Ba, MD, PhD, all-around scientific scientist who thinks
>     only 
> about science.
> 
> 

Well Mr. Science buff, I hope you are not one of those brainey people who 
don't have enough common sense to find your way home, because when you 
complain about some bonehead's post, all that does is encourage them. I 
feel bad that your child has to see those obscene posts. keep him, or her 
off the NG, if it is a problem. Sometimes freedom of speech has some excess 
baggage, but I'm not ready to give it up because someone is offended. Hell, 
someone offends me almost every day.

    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	Tony


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geechel@yahoo.com (S.LaRocca) wrote in message news:<Xns910A62617BB18geechelyahoocom@63.208.208.89>...
> "Hobo Chang Ba" <HCB@meowcities.org> wrote in
> news:9m7eqo$ta7$0@pita.alt.net: 
> 
> >     How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
> > drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
> > erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
> >     I cannot let my child engage in meaningful discussion of God's
> >     existence 
> > when posts like
> > 
> > "[Hammond]
> > Why don't you get your jackass mouth off of alt.sci.proof-of-god
> > criminal fuckstick?"
> > 
> > are so prevalent among these threads.
> > 
> >     I find it appalling that meaningful discussion suffers while afk-mn
> >     is 
> > flooded with nasty, abusive posts. I therefore recommend that Mr
> > Hammond be UDP'ed straightaway. Clealy, sir, he has been asking for it.
> > 
> >     Thanks you for yuor consideration.
> > 
> >     -Hobo Chang Ba, MD, PhD, all-around scientific scientist who thinks
> >     only 
> > about science.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well Mr. Science buff, I hope you are not one of those brainey people who 
> don't have enough common sense to find your way home, because when you 
> complain about some bonehead's post, all that does is encourage them. I 
> feel bad that your child has to see those obscene posts. keep him, or her 
> off the NG, if it is a problem. Sometimes freedom of speech has some excess 
> baggage, but I'm not ready to give it up because someone is offended. Hell, 
> someone offends me almost every day.
> 
>     	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	    	Tony


Here here! Wonderfully said Tony.


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Becky wrote:
> 
> geechel@yahoo.com (S.LaRocca) wrote in message news:<Xns910A62617BB18geechelyahoocom@63.208.208.89>...
> > "Hobo Chang Ba" <HCB@meowcities.org> wrote in
> > news:9m7eqo$ta7$0@pita.alt.net:
> >
> > >     How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
> > > drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
> > > erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?

[Hammond]
HEY MS. TOSSPOT, WHY DON'T YOU AND YOUR TOSSPOT KID FILE SOME COMPLAINTS
ABOUT ALL THESE DORK SPAMMERS CROSSPOSTING TO alt.sci.proof-of-god
FROM THEIR KOOK NEWSGROUPS.  I HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE WHO FOUNDED
alt.sci.proof-of-god AND NOW CAN'T EVEN CARRY ON A DISCUSSION ON
IT BECAUSE OF ALL THESE FOULMOUTH USENET CRANK SPAMMERS... INCLUDING
YOU TOSSPOT.


-- 
Be sure to visit my website below
-----------------------------------------------------------
George Hammond, M.S. Physics
Email:    ghammond@mediaone.net
Website:  http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html
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This dude "George Hammond" ghammond@mediaone.net,  in article 
<3B92B1B6.8E8520B@mediaone.net>, said the following tripped out things:
> Becky wrote:
> > 
> > geechel@yahoo.com (S.LaRocca) wrote in message news:<Xns910A62617BB18geechelyahoocom@63.208.208.89>...
> > > "Hobo Chang Ba" <HCB@meowcities.org> wrote in
> > > news:9m7eqo$ta7$0@pita.alt.net:
> > >
> > > >     How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with the
> > > > drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional cross-species
> > > > erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
> 
> [Hammond]
> HEY MS. TOSSPOT, WHY DON'T YOU AND YOUR TOSSPOT KID FILE SOME COMPLAINTS
> ABOUT ALL THESE DORK SPAMMERS CROSSPOSTING TO alt.sci.proof-of-god
> FROM THEIR KOOK NEWSGROUPS.  I HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE WHO FOUNDED
> alt.sci.proof-of-god AND NOW CAN'T EVEN CARRY ON A DISCUSSION ON
> IT BECAUSE OF ALL THESE FOULMOUTH USENET CRANK SPAMMERS... INCLUDING
> YOU TOSSPOT.
> 

Typing in all caps doesn't prove anything about god. 

HTH 

-- 
Trippy

http://www.geocities.com/tobydog9/

Mr.T.tobydog9@chorus.net
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George Hammond wrote in message <3B92B1B6.8E8520B@mediaone.net>...
>Becky wrote:
>>
>> geechel@yahoo.com (S.LaRocca) wrote in message
news:<Xns910A62617BB18geechelyahoocom@63.208.208.89>...
>> > "Hobo Chang Ba" <HCB@meowcities.org> wrote in
>> > news:9m7eqo$ta7$0@pita.alt.net:
>> >
>> > >     How much longer must we in the scientific community put up with
the
>> > > drivel, personal attacks, filthy language and occasional
cross-species
>> > > erotic shenannigans of this tosspot George Hammond guy?
>
>[Hammond]
>HEY MS. TOSSPOT, WHY DON'T YOU AND YOUR TOSSPOT KID FILE SOME COMPLAINTS
>ABOUT ALL THESE DORK SPAMMERS CROSSPOSTING TO alt.sci.proof-of-god
>FROM THEIR KOOK NEWSGROUPS.  I HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE WHO FOUNDED
>alt.sci.proof-of-god AND NOW CAN'T EVEN CARRY ON A DISCUSSION ON
>IT BECAUSE OF ALL THESE FOULMOUTH USENET CRANK SPAMMERS... INCLUDING
>YOU TOSSPOT.

  It was the words "FOULMOUTH USENET CRANK SPAMMERS" followed by "INCLUDING
YOU TOSSPOT" that made my irony meter explode into millions of tiny
particles.  George, you owe me five bucks for a new one.

       DaveK
--
Please ask your news admin to add alt.sci.proof-of-george!

For your newsgroups file:
alt.sci.proof-of-george  Proof of George Hammond: Is he for real?
>
>
>--
>Be sure to visit my website below
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>George Hammond, M.S. Physics
>Email:    ghammond@mediaone.net
>Website:  http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html
>-----------------------------------------------------------




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"Phil McCracken, National Stimulant News Gas, Oil, Booze &
Computers/Telecom Editor" <see-no-spam@textifrelevant.org> wrote:

>announcement wrote:
>
>> Forged cancellations have been reported to ISP and law enforcement. 
>
>I nominate this poster, also known as Joel Crump and POLCE, for the Kook of 
>the Month December 2001 for this sentence.


Do you have some evidence of this slander???  Btw, you're just in the
dark: lots of people know who POLCE/Internet Police is, and it ain't
me.  Dumb ass.


>>Please
>> desist, as what you are doing is highly illegal 
>
>Oh yeah? Then why isn't David Ritz in prison?
>
>>and WILL get your connection
>> terminated.
>
>If u are such an 31337 hax0r d00d, why don't u tell us the cancellor's home 
>country or even ISP.  If you would have been reading nana* before posting 
>this garbage you would have known about the cancel problems of late and 
>their source.

-- 
Joel Crump


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I thought of this idea.  But I am not sure if it will help or hurt.
Comments?
Thanks,
s illasd (at) hotmail (dot) com

Join the fight against SPAM, Put your government representative on those
damn spammers maillist and see how quick things change
==  1.  Go to a goverment website eg:
http://www.ca.gov/state/portal/myca_homepage.jsp
==       click on the GOVERMENT link, here you can get state and federal
help
==  2.  Get the Email of a Senator, Assemblyman, Congressmen, etc..
==  3.  Place that address in the REPLY-TO entry of your newsreader
==  3a. (also great address for signing up for something that wants an Email
address

What do you think?????




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Ideas 1 & 2 are good.
Ideas 3 & 3a are less than well thought out.

I think that forwarding a copy of some spam with an articulate letter
explaining how spam
as adversely affected your home or business, on a regular basis, ( to all
your congressional representatives ) is not a bad idea. Let them know that
you vote, and encourage them to initiate/support anti-UCE legislation.
Regardless of who reads the letters, they will take notice of the volume of
legitimate complaints streaming in from their constituents.

As long as major ISP's such as Sprint and ATT (for examples) support spam
houses, we [spam haters] need as much sympathy from congress as we can get.
Tg
"Spam hater" <Assemblymember.Corbett@assembly.ca.gov> wrote in message
news:fetR7.4634$6l3.732108982@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> I thought of this idea.  But I am not sure if it will help or hurt.
> Comments?
> Thanks,
> s illasd (at) hotmail (dot) com
>
> Join the fight against SPAM, Put your government representative on those
> damn spammers maillist and see how quick things change
> ==  1.  Go to a goverment website eg:
> http://www.ca.gov/state/portal/myca_homepage.jsp
> ==       click on the GOVERMENT link, here you can get state and federal
> help
> ==  2.  Get the Email of a Senator, Assemblyman, Congressmen, etc..
> ==  3.  Place that address in the REPLY-TO entry of your newsreader
> ==  3a. (also great address for signing up for something that wants an
Email
> address
>
> What do you think?????
>
>




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cjd <dooley_c@hotmail.com> wrote:

> *If* we are being censored, then who the fuck has the right to decide 
> what areas of debate we can or cannot discuss ?

Last time the issue was raised, they (the 'Cabal' called it 
'content-based censorship with the consensus of uk news admins'. 

Although noone cared to expand on who the censors are..

One means of censorship was mooted to be a package called NoCeM - 
http://www.cm.org/faq.html . 

From the NoCeM FAQ:


	Q: What is NoCeM?

	A: NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) may well be:

	    * A solution to the spam problem.
	    * A solution to the spam-cancel problem.
-->	    * A way to "edit" Usenet if that's what you want.
-->	    * A way to have others "edit" Usenet for you, 
				if that's what you want.
	    * A way to have no one alter what you see on Usenet, 
				(to the degree that this is possible.)


-->	Q: Isn't it possible that my admin/upstream feed can use this 
	to censor what I see?

	A: Unfortunately, yes. As has always been true, upstream feeds 
	and your sysadmin always can control what you see. While I would 
	discourage admins from applying NoCeM notices on their spools, 
	it's their machine and it's their right to choose what traffic 
	they carry. If you feel your admin/feed is exerting too much 
	control over what you are seeing, then you probably should be 
	seeking a new source of information.

> *If* we are being censored then could the BT baboon waving the black marker
> pen over the news posts please insert said marker up his/her rectal passage
> and repeat the words 'This is a democracy' a thousand times.

Now if I were a usenet censor, I would apply my filter at http://www.linx.org ,
"the largest and most successful Internet exchange point in Europe"....

Why not ask Roland Perry, Linx's Public Policy Director, if he can shed
any light on your news feed problems. I'm sure there's a perfectly
innocuous explanation. 

Perry can usually be found haunting 'ukcrypto' - a mailing list "comprised 
of people with a professional interest in the formulation and content of 
UK government policy" . You might just catch him "bouncing around" 
Home Office ideas on the mailing list, if you're lucky ;)

ukcrypto is at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukcrypto





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I don't think it will work in some states, because their e-mail access may be through a web based central e-mail system. This masks
the target address.

Why not just preview and bounce Spam at your server? Get a program like mailwasher to handle Spam and spend your time working on
serious issues like Backdoor/SubSeven Trojan attacks.

"Spam hater" <Assemblymember.Corbett@assembly.ca.gov> wrote in message news:fetR7.4634$6l3.732108982@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
: I thought of this idea.  But I am not sure if it will help or hurt.
: Comments?
: Thanks,
: s illasd (at) hotmail (dot) com
:
: Join the fight against SPAM, Put your government representative on those
: damn spammers maillist and see how quick things change
: ==  1.  Go to a goverment website eg:
: http://www.ca.gov/state/portal/myca_homepage.jsp
: ==       click on the GOVERMENT link, here you can get state and federal
: help
: ==  2.  Get the Email of a Senator, Assemblyman, Congressmen, etc..
: ==  3.  Place that address in the REPLY-TO entry of your newsreader
: ==  3a. (also great address for signing up for something that wants an Email
: address
:
: What do you think?????
:
:





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I think your're opening up a whole can of worms with that idea, is what I
think.  I don't think I want our government involved in it at all.  I think
they'd just mess it up worse than it already is.  Yes, we all hate spam, but
I don't think involving politicians is the answer.  <mongol>


"Spam hater" <Assemblymember.Corbett@assembly.ca.gov> wrote in message
news:fetR7.4634$6l3.732108982@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> I thought of this idea.  But I am not sure if it will help or hurt.
> Comments?
> Thanks,
> s illasd (at) hotmail (dot) com
>
> Join the fight against SPAM, Put your government representative on those
> damn spammers maillist and see how quick things change
> ==  1.  Go to a goverment website eg:
> http://www.ca.gov/state/portal/myca_homepage.jsp
> ==       click on the GOVERMENT link, here you can get state and federal
> help
> ==  2.  Get the Email of a Senator, Assemblyman, Congressmen, etc..
> ==  3.  Place that address in the REPLY-TO entry of your newsreader
> ==  3a. (also great address for signing up for something that wants an
Email
> address
>
> What do you think?????
>
>




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Roger and Howard make False Accusations about Jewish posters and even in the
past issued threats of their own.

Here is some information.  Howard challenged me to come meet him "mano et
mano" a term used by street gang members to challenge a person to a physical
fight.  He posted that as habe@erols.com.  He accused me of beating my wife.
He said he slept with my wife here on the net.  No one made any threats of
violence to Howard.  Roger and him are cohorts in trying to drive off any
Jew willing to post back to them with the TRUTH to their lies.

Roger accused me of theft of service, of posing as other persons, and
driving two posters off the newsgroup.  He continued that last lie even when
the person when emailed as to what Roger was saying, returned and told Roger
off as the LIAR he is.  He claimed I as a person named Jacob (my cousin BTW)
was the first to threaten Legal Action with yet another person that left
here when his book was proven to be neo-nazi propaganda and nothing else and
he was here to advertise the book, not really discuss the issues.  He
continued to do so even after the reposted posts with headers proved that
his friend the author (a fellow anti-Semite like Roger and Howard are) was
the one to mention legal action against Jacob.  These two make a practice of
intentionally trying to get Jews off the newsgroup by complaints to ISPs
that get laughed at, then this new one complaining to net-abuse.

I say then let us all send all facts about Roger and Howard to
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and to their ISPs.  As for Howard he thinks he
is immune to being located as to ISP by using the hotmail address, he is
not, the path and the NTTP-POSTING-IP in the header can be used to trace it
back to where he is logged on to the net from.  That IP Address is
registered.  So send that in and with your complaint and they will be able
to find him and get him out of here, Same for Roger if he continues his lies
about and harassment of me, even by failure to retract the ones already
made.

--
MattA




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Sure Roger,

One Word Roger; PROOF!

Where is YOUR PROOF?

I know you cannot find it now, right?

Like you still have to prove I am Jacob!
You are yet to show proof I am madyan!
You are still to prove that I drove Lance Viser out of this newsgroup even
with his statement when he returned just to say what a LIAR you were on that
one.
You still have to prove I used a back door to commit theft of Service, an
accusation of a criminal act.
You still need to prove it was not your neo-nazi author friend Don Woods
that was the first to be threatened with legal action and not the other way
around.

Proof Roger.

Once again we see the pattern of Roger making claims and trying to harass a
Jew to leave here.  Next if his pattern hold to his past, he will send in
emails to complain to that Jew's ISP.

Roger where is your PROOF of all your claims to date.  Just posting them if
they existed and you had them on your computer would take you a year because
you made so many against so many Jews here.  Since your posting cities why
not post your own for a change?  I got Bell South to understand that when
you posted my name and city it was the same as if you posted the address as
I am in the phone book and that was all anyone would need.  You left for
Kentucky just before they took you to task for it as per a letter I have on
their stationary from their LEGAL Corporate Offices.  No I did not threaten
them with any action, Roger, all I did was talk to them as a person (which
is my right) about my concerns about you doing that and not getting a
satisfactory answer from their CUSTOMER SATISFACTION DESK which told me the
real thrust of any abuse investigations.  The Lawyers as more independent
party who understand how the phone company and the internet business venture
stood, understood that a call to the phone company can get anyone any phone
book published by them.  That any listed number for a name in a town (and I
am the only one of my name there) can be used to get the address.  As such
they were instructing the internet group to take actions about you.  Perhaps
this user should complain to the legal staff at KIH about what you are
doing.

I personally think he should.


--
MattA
"Roger Alexander" <rlalex@kih.net> wrote in message
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> For new readers, irgun43 is Emanuel Appel or his wife.
> They live in San Francisco (or did when the information
> was fresh some 4 years ago), where he reportedly drives a  bus.
>
> He is one of the most right wing Israeli supporters posting to this
> board,
> After Israel massacred 104 Lebanese at the UN observer base in
> Qana Lebanon, he was fond of saying on this board: "MORE QANAS"
> RLA
>
> irgun43 wrote:
>
> > "myname" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:dc024629.0204042230.178a4665@posting.google.com...
> > > West Bank Hospitals Perilously Low on Supplies
> > >
> > The way to solve the problem is to to dynamite .
> >  them down. Then supplies will not be an issue
> >
> >         irgun43
>




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Proof Roger the Liar, Proof.
That service proved to satisfaction of any court that no one there told you
any such things as ALL the calls are taped and they handed all the tapes
over to be checked out.

YOU ARE A LIAR and the worst form of a Jew hating SOB, A neo-nazi
that is my opinion of you and your refusal to take PROOF that Lance was not
driven off shows just that.  His statement would if given in any court of
law in the land would stand up while it would totally discredit all you say
there.

Prove your allegations as all your POSTS are now sent to abuse at your ISP
and the net-abuse newsgroup you sent your false accusation about yet another
Jewish poster here just this week.  I also sent all your history of
harassment to them and they replied to me Roger that they will start
watching you from now on.  Your days of freely harassing Jews here is at an
end.  You will pay a price for it, I am not saying what, that is NOT a
threat, that is just the way the WORLD does WORK.  So go ahead and post
where Jews are from so they can be found in the phone book like you did me.
I sent the US postal service mails I got after you did that to me, and to
your then ISP Legal Department asking they do something about you.  You were
hated on the Birmingham newsgroups for your off topic spamming them.  I made
several friends there while most had you killfiled in a newsgroup about your
own home town at the time.   There were 100s of posts telling you here to
stop your off topic posting to all those newsgroups this year again.  That
and posts where you bragged of calling a Jewish Poster here to HARASS him at
work was also sent to net-abuse and to kih.com so they will know the type of
person they have using their service.  I am not the only one they received
complaints from at this point.  Many non-Jews from newsgroups around the
world wrote kih.net abuse department and supernews abuse about you and your
flooding of the net with off topic to their newsgroup messages.

So why would anyone other than your female dog (look the word up in the
dictionary it starts with b and ends with h) Howard believe what you post.
You are now the largest joke of a poster here.  Not opinion Roger, Fact.
A word that eludes you totally as you NEVER support what you claim about me
with anything that resembles a fact.  You made up the story of that
conversation according to those that you say told you.  They told you squat.
You are a LIAR and more, but that may come to something else that I will not
talk of here.   Put UP PROOF Herr Alexander or leave with your tail between
you cowardly Liar neo-nazi ass.  This is the type of reply you will see to
every one of your posts from this day forward.  I will continue to say what
I think of you personally till time ends for one of us.  I can prove you
made claims about me for over 3 years and NEVER EVER BACKED EVEN ONE OF THEM
UP with any PROOF.  And that makes anyone doubt what you say even if you
show that you had your hand on a bible.  Then again if you put your hand
there, I think your hand would spontaneously combust.  So post away and so
will I about the LIAR you ARE NOW PROVEN TO BE!


--
MattA
"Roger Alexander" <rlalex@kih.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> MattA wrote:
>
> > Roger and Howard make False Accusations about Jewish posters and even in
the
> > past issued threats of their own.
> >
> > Here is some information.  Howard challenged me to come meet him "mano
et
> > mano" a term used by street gang members to challenge a person to a
physical
> > fight.  He posted that as habe@erols.com.  He accused me of beating my
wife.
> > He said he slept with my wife here on the net.  No one made any threats
of
> > violence to Howard.  Roger and him are cohorts in trying to drive off
any
> > Jew willing to post back to them with the TRUTH to their lies.
> >
> > Roger accused me of theft of service, of posing as other persons, and
> > driving two posters off the newsgroup.
>
> > He continued that last lie even when
> > the person when emailed as to what Roger was saying, returned and told
Roger
> > off as the LIAR he is.  He claimed I as a person named Jacob (my cousin
BTW)
> > was the first to threaten Legal Action with yet another person that left
> > here when his book was proven to be neo-nazi propaganda and nothing else
and
> > he was here to advertise the book, not really discuss the issues.  He
> > continued to do so even after the reposted posts with headers proved
that
> > his friend the author (a fellow anti-Semite like Roger and Howard are)
was
> > the one to mention legal action against Jacob.  These two make a
practice of
> > intentionally trying to get Jews off the newsgroup by complaints to ISPs
> > that get laughed at, then this new one complaining to net-abuse.
> >
> > I say then let us all send all facts about Roger and Howard to
> > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and to their ISPs.  As for Howard he thinks
he
> > is immune to being located as to ISP by using the hotmail address, he is
> > not, the path and the NTTP-POSTING-IP in the header can be used to trace
it
> > back to where he is logged on to the net from.  That IP Address is
> > registered.  So send that in and with your complaint and they will be
able
> > to find him and get him out of here, Same for Roger if he continues his
lies
> > about and harassment of me, even by failure to retract the ones already
> > made.
> >
>
> I certainly have nothing to retract.  I note for the record these supposed
lies
> occurred four and a half years ago, were of little note then and are
> only of interest to Ackerman. I stand by everything I wrote then.
> RLa
>
> >
> > --
> > MattA
>



--
MattA
"Roger Alexander" <rlalex@kih.net> wrote in message
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> AOL has alwasy been an arbitrary and somewhat crazy organization.
> It abused its power to collect reveneue from unsuspecting subscribers,
> even after they had cancelled their accounts.  It allowed peodphile
> and other such groups to run rampant over their service for years,
> may yet for all I know.  It employed people without pay to run
> chat rooms, and was arbitrary there too.  Altogether no one needs
> AOL to run an internet account, it is a slow and cumbersome way
> to use the Net, they have (I understand, I've never been on one
> of their lines) nauseating advertising which gets in people's way
> using their service and they are all round a poor excuse for a
> net provider.
> I recommend to every AOL user to find another service, which will
> no doubt prove cheaper and better.
> RLA
>
>
> It is very likely that the censorship action by AOL is actually by an
> 'interested' individual in that organization.  Is there any way of
> checking
> this?  It only needs one biased person in the right position to include
> indictsharonnow on the hit list.
> BJ
>
> --On WednesdaySa, April Jan32, 20022002 12:11 AM -0500 Laurie King-Irani
>
> <zinjabeel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > Here is the update on the AOL scandal, i.e., the demand by AOL's
> > "Community  Action Team" (shades of Orwellian nomenclature there!)
> that
> > my friend delete  and cancel two email addresses that she and I used
> to
> > collect signatures for  a campaign to indict Ariel Sharon for war
> crimes
> > spanning 53 years (well,  going on 55 now, counting his recent
> curricular
> > and extra-curricular  activities since becoming Israel's Prime
> Minister).
> >
> > The good news is that many people wrote in response to the first
> message
> > I  disseminated about this to say they were outraged, had written
> letters
> > of  complaint to AOL and had even, in three cases I was made aware of,
>
> > cancelled  their AOL accounts.
> >
> > Here is an update from my friend, who owned the screen names and who,
> > today,  in order to access her main screen name account so as to do
> > pressing work to  earn a living, had to comply with the strong-arm
> > tactics of AOL by deleting  the other two accounts, which were full of
>
> > unopened and unread mail. Our  main concern is: will AOL go through
> that
> > mail, turn over the names,  addresses, and other information to
> parties
> > unknown?
> >
> > Last but not least, it is absolutely mind-boggling to realize that a
> > screen  name of "IndictSharonNow" is considered over the top,
> volatile,
> > and in poor  taste, when no less a figure than Richard Goldstone of
> the
> > International  Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and Yugoslavia, upon
> > reviewing all evidence of  Sharon's role in the 1982 Sabra and Shatila
>
> > massacres, stated firmly that  "Ariel Sharon is eminently indictable
> for
> > war crimes and crimes against  humanity." As if anyone with a brain
> > tuning in to CNN or BBC lately could  not see that for themselves.
> >
> > We've gone through the Looking Glass into some sort of topsy-turvy
> moral
> > and  political universe, folks. Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to
> be a
> > wild  ride if the following is any indication of where things are
> heading
> > in the  Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave. As an American, I
> am
> > really  saddened and quite frightened.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention,
> >
> > Laurie King-Irani
> > ---
> > As I mentioned to you earlier this evening, AOL again blocked my
> primary
> > AOL account.  Messages sent to my primary screen name, by others and
> > myself  today,
> > bounced back, with some language that the account did not exist. (I
> don't
> > have the exact language in front of me, although I did print a hard
> copy.)
> >      At 8:30 tonight, I called AOL's Community Action Team (which
> seems to
> > take on the function of corporate censor, as far as I can tell).  I
> asked
> > why
> > my primary account was blocked again, and was told that this was
> because I
> > had not deleted
> > the IndictSharonNow and Arrestsharonnow screen names/accounts. The
> person
> > I spoke with said that I had been instructed in my previous call to
> delete
> > these screen names "within 24 hours."  (I was never given such
> > instructions.)
> >      Anyway, she instructed me that unless I voluntarily deleted both
> of
> >      the Sharon screen name accounts within 24 hours, my account with
> AOL
> > would be "permanently cancelled."  She gave me a new password with
> which
> > to access my master screen name, so that I could comply with this
> > arbitrary order to delete the
> > offfensive screen names and, with this deletion, ALL THE EMAIL
> > CORRESPONDENCE
> > REMAINING IN THE ACCOUNTS, OPENED OR UNOPENED.
> >      When I suggested to this representative of the Community Action
> Team
> > (who
> > would only give me her name as Sara, said they did not provide
> surnames,
> > but said her employee number was 51233) that this coercion to delete
> the
> > Sharon accounts (without AOL putting any of it in writing) represented
>
> > confiscation of my personal mail, she said: "We are not confiscating
> your
> > mail.  We do  not
> > confiscate your mail."  Of course AOL does not.  They use bullying
> > tactics  to
> > force you to confiscate your own mail.
> >      It goes like this --
> > *  AOL unilaterally decides that a screen name is offensive (or, in
> the
> > case of the Sharon accounts, of a "volatile nature," as I was informed
> in
> > a prior telephone conversation with the Community Action Team on March
>
> > 28, 2002. *  You cannot challenge AOL's finding, nor is there a
> process
> > for you to appeal it.
> > *   AOL refuses to put in writing its finding, or its instructions to
> you
> > that you must delete the objectionable screen names (and by this
> action
> > the contents of these email accounts) or face closure of your entire
> > account. *  Noncompliance with these arbitrary orders widens the
> > confiscation of personal correspondence --  not only the objectionable
>
> > screen-name accounts are shut, but *all* accounts.  If one relies, as
> I
> > do, on my primary screen-name account for both personal and
> professional
> > communication, including professional communication with contacts in
> > far-flung places  around
> > the world, closure of a primary account would be devastating.
> > *  So, tonight, faced with the 24-hour deadline, and the loss of my
> > primary account, I had to comply with AOL's orders.  To my deep
> regret, I
> > was forced to delete
> > IndictSharonNow@aol.com and Arrestsharonnow@aol.com.  These screen
> names
> > no longer exist and, more importantly, all correspondence in both
> > accounts is now irretrievably lost.
> >
> >
> >
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Proof Roger the Liar, Proof.
That service proved to satisfaction of any court that no one there told you
any such things as ALL the calls are taped and they handed all the tapes
over to be checked out.

YOU ARE A LIAR and the worst form of a Jew hating SOB, A neo-nazi
that is my opinion of you and your refusal to take PROOF that Lance was not
driven off shows just that.  His statement would if given in any court of
law in the land would stand up while it would totally discredit all you say
there.

Prove your allegations as all your POSTS are now sent to abuse at your ISP
and the net-abuse newsgroup you sent your false accusation about yet another
Jewish poster here just this week.  I also sent all your history of
harassment to them and they replied to me Roger that they will start
watching you from now on.  Your days of freely harassing Jews here is at an
end.  You will pay a price for it, I am not saying what, that is NOT a
threat, that is just the way the WORLD does WORK.  So go ahead and post
where Jews are from so they can be found in the phone book like you did me.
I sent the US postal service mails I got after you did that to me, and to
your then ISP Legal Department asking they do something about you.  You were
hated on the Birmingham newsgroups for your off topic spamming them.  I made
several friends there while most had you killfiled in a newsgroup about your
own home town at the time.   There were 100s of posts telling you here to
stop your off topic posting to all those newsgroups this year again.  That
and posts where you bragged of calling a Jewish Poster here to HARASS him at
work was also sent to net-abuse and to kih.com so they will know the type of
person they have using their service.  I am not the only one they received
complaints from at this point.  Many non-Jews from newsgroups around the
world wrote kih.net abuse department and supernews abuse about you and your
flooding of the net with off topic to their newsgroup messages.

So why would anyone other than your female dog (look the word up in the
dictionary it starts with b and ends with h) Howard believe what you post.
You are now the largest joke of a poster here.  Not opinion Roger, Fact.
A word that eludes you totally as you NEVER support what you claim about me
with anything that resembles a fact.  You made up the story of that
conversation according to those that you say told you.  They told you squat.
You are a LIAR and more, but that may come to something else that I will not
talk of here.   Put UP PROOF Herr Alexander or leave with your tail between
you cowardly Liar neo-nazi ass.  This is the type of reply you will see to
every one of your posts from this day forward.  I will continue to say what
I think of you personally till time ends for one of us.  I can prove you
made claims about me for over 3 years and NEVER EVER BACKED EVEN ONE OF THEM
UP with any PROOF.  And that makes anyone doubt what you say even if you
show that you had your hand on a bible.  Then again if you put your hand
there, I think your hand would spontaneously combust.  So post away and so
will I about the LIAR you ARE NOW PROVEN TO BE!


--
MattA
"Roger Alexander" <rlalex@kih.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> MattA wrote:
>
> > Roger and Howard make False Accusations about Jewish posters and even in
the
> > past issued threats of their own.
> >
> > Here is some information.  Howard challenged me to come meet him "mano
et
> > mano" a term used by street gang members to challenge a person to a
physical
> > fight.  He posted that as habe@erols.com.  He accused me of beating my
wife.
> > He said he slept with my wife here on the net.  No one made any threats
of
> > violence to Howard.  Roger and him are cohorts in trying to drive off
any
> > Jew willing to post back to them with the TRUTH to their lies.
> >
> > Roger accused me of theft of service, of posing as other persons, and
> > driving two posters off the newsgroup.
>
> I didn't accuse Matthew of anything.  All I did was repeat what was told
to me
> by the abuse person I contacted at US Online where Mark madayn 67
> was posting from.  When I mentioned madayn, the young woman said:
> "Matthew Ackerman! We threw him off here last month.  He must be getting
> in by a back door."  This is truthful statement, not a lie.  It didn't
occur
> to me that it could be construed as a theft of services, probably not to
her
> either.  She was concerned with getting Matthew off her service, for
> "spamming the net."
>
> So far as driving two posters off the net, whether Lance Visser was driven
> off by Matthew and his sock puppets is a matter of opinion, and mine is
that
> Matthew drove him off by threatening to reveal a private e-mail, certainly
> a scummy amoral tactic.  Visser's disclaimer is not convincing, and
> characteristic
> of a red blooded American.
>
> Matthew Ackerman is a scummy little beyond Kahanist Zionist sympathizer.
> He is a loon.
> RLa
>
> > He continued that last lie even when
> > the person when emailed as to what Roger was saying, returned and told
Roger
> > off as the LIAR he is.  He claimed I as a person named Jacob (my cousin
BTW)
> > was the first to threaten Legal Action with yet another person that left
> > here when his book was proven to be neo-nazi propaganda and nothing else
and
> > he was here to advertise the book, not really discuss the issues.  He
> > continued to do so even after the reposted posts with headers proved
that
> > his friend the author (a fellow anti-Semite like Roger and Howard are)
was
> > the one to mention legal action against Jacob.  These two make a
practice of
> > intentionally trying to get Jews off the newsgroup by complaints to ISPs
> > that get laughed at, then this new one complaining to net-abuse.
> >
> > I say then let us all send all facts about Roger and Howard to
> > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet and to their ISPs.  As for Howard he thinks
he
> > is immune to being located as to ISP by using the hotmail address, he is
> > not, the path and the NTTP-POSTING-IP in the header can be used to trace
it
> > back to where he is logged on to the net from.  That IP Address is
> > registered.  So send that in and with your complaint and they will be
able
> > to find him and get him out of here, Same for Roger if he continues his
lies
> > about and harassment of me, even by failure to retract the ones already
> > made.




--
MattA
"Roger Alexander" <rlalex@kih.net> wrote in message
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> I thought his post right on the money.
> ZNN allows the most right wing Israeli supporters
> to mouth the latest Zionist party line, while asking
> them the sort of questions they can bat out ot the Park.
> RLA
>
> Reuben King wrote:
>
> > In talk.politics.mideast, Lucifer wrote (article ID
> > <ebd063ee.0204031625.29e29cc3@posting.google.com>):
> > > I like to watch crossfire... not because it's educational, but because
> > > it's the funniest show on TV. One zionist stooge after another
> > > competing against each other with who can tell the biggest whoppers. I
> > > get to see what a bunch of lying morons our congresspersons really
> > > are. A bunch of whores who will wave their asses for anyone who will
> > > stuff a $ down their g-strings. None of the ass holes would ever get
> > > elected if they didn't have an obscene amount of money behind them to
> > > brainwash the brainless hicks who vote for them.
> >
> > Do you have anything intellectual at all to say or just a bunch of
> > strung-together bad words?
>




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"MattA" <matta00@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3cafe32e$1_1@corp-news.newsgroups.com>...
> Sure Roger,
> 
> One Word Roger; PROOF!
> 
> Where is YOUR PROOF?
> 
> I know you cannot find it now, right?


Sort of like asking "Where is the PROOF that God promised any of the
lands in the Middle East to the Jews"  something that fanatical Jewish
settlers use to take over land on which Palestinians are living.

It always is hilarious to see people asking for Proof when they
themselves accept the most bizarre statments WITHOUT any proof so long
as it supports their own bias and bigoty.

As for 'proof' of what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza, we will
all have to wait until the IDF had lifted the Military No-Go zones.
[WJ20K]


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From: "I.R." <LetItBe@JustSayNoToPalestine.org>
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Subject: Re: Arab Terrorists use hospitals as bunkers
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Arab Terrorists use hospitals as bunkers


ir
"myname" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dc024629.0204091342.4f0c7354@posting.google.com...
> "MattA" <matta00@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<3cafe32e$1_1@corp-news.newsgroups.com>...
> > Sure Roger,
> >
> > One Word Roger; PROOF!
> >
> > Where is YOUR PROOF?
> >
> > I know you cannot find it now, right?
>
>
> Sort of like asking "Where is the PROOF that God promised any of the
> lands in the Middle East to the Jews"  something that fanatical Jewish
> settlers use to take over land on which Palestinians are living.
>
> It always is hilarious to see people asking for Proof when they
> themselves accept the most bizarre statments WITHOUT any proof so long
> as it supports their own bias and bigoty.
>
> As for 'proof' of what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza, we will
> all have to wait until the IDF had lifted the Military No-Go zones.
> [WJ20K]




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From: "I.R." <LetItBe@JustSayNoToPalestine.org>
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"myname" <webjunk20000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dc024629.0204091342.4f0c7354@posting.google.com...
> "MattA" <matta00@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<3cafe32e$1_1@corp-news.newsgroups.com>...
> > Sure Roger,
> >
> > One Word Roger; PROOF!
> >
> > Where is YOUR PROOF?
> >
> > I know you cannot find it now, right?
>
>
> Sort of like asking "Where is the PROOF that God promised any of the
> lands in the Middle East to the Jews"  something that fanatical Jewish
> settlers use to take over land on which Palestinians are living.
>
> It always is hilarious to see people asking for Proof when they
> themselves accept the most bizarre statments WITHOUT any proof so long
> as it supports their own bias and bigoty.
>
> As for 'proof' of what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza, we will
> all have to wait until the IDF had lifted the Military No-Go zones.
> [WJ20K]




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Subject: Is it me or NETSOL.COM (Account Manager is DOWN) Can't get in!!!
From: "Vladimir" <vladimir@ussr.cum>
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I am trying to get in an freaking re-route a domain somewhere I cannot get
into
Account Manager.  It's not my domain which I don't even use the lame NETSOL
to buy or manage my accounts.  I rather go with register.com than them.


I cannot get into Account Manager, anyone else experiencing the sample
problem.

I have firewall down, checked for the past 2 days.. and no luck.

This is the shortcut I would get if I was to click on it:

http://www.netsol.com/en_US/manage-it/?_DARGS=%2Fen_US%2Fdroplets%2FSFStyles.jhtml.7_A&_DAV=

I get cannot find server...

OOUUU FUCK IT! It's fucking IE.  I forgot I had netscape and works fine in
Netscape.

Hei Billy fix your shit!


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From: "MattA" <matta00@comcast.net>
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Subject: Complaint is filed against Neo-nazi foul mouthed email sender - DO NOT SEND ANY EMAIL TO THIS JEW AGAIN ASSHOLE
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I received a foul worded email from someone using Verizon, the complaint has
been registered I enclose copy of what was sent to their abuse desk.  I have
used internet detective service and traced this user down.  He violated
Several US FEDERAL LAWS with his action and if this asshole persists I will
not rest till he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

--
MattA

  ==== copy of email I sent complete with email with full header to abuse
===

Dear Sirs/Madam;

I try not to bring newsgroup related items to the attention of departments
that have responsibility to enforce the Company's Terms Of Service that is
posted on the Website of that Company.  However, I do draw a strong line on
the receiving of Abusive, foul language, hate mail sent from a customer of
any company to me.  I will not take the responsibility of doing the blocking
of a user as they can get additional handles.  That I very strongly believe
must be the sole responsibility of the Internet Service Provider to enforce
it's rules on their customers that send unwanted, unrequested email that
under Federal Law is considered a Hate Crime and where I live and your
company does do business that is under competition for even phone customers
in the state also considers this type of email a Criminal Act.   Since it
was sent from the USA across State Lines it is can become a Federal matter,
and I am willing and able to get Federal agencies involved with this.  I do
from my past work know the people of the O.B.F. which your Phone Company
division has to deal with on a Daily Basis.  That is a commission under the
F.C.C.  who could be gotten involved with this user as well as your company
if nothing is done about  this complaint to my satisfaction.  Hate Crimes
such as this falls under the F.B.I.   I do know a special agent in Trenton
that once was part of a similar investigation.  The perpetrator is serving
time now for this type of action of your user.  The company (large one) is
by no coincidence no longer in the ISP business that is listed under their
old name.  Whois no longer finds them.  It happened the same day the FBI
arrested their user.

Your Terms Of Service (TOS) agreement is posted as Attachment B on your web
page I believe.  I read it very carefully and found most of the statements
in do apply to the email I received.

Please find as copied and pasted text his email (which is a HTML email as
mine also is).  To get the headers and message text together I have to
accept it will show HTML Commands in it.

Just after that copied email you will find the sections of your TOS that I
believe fits this user's post and thus he committed many violations of your
policies in sending it.  I will have to consider any future email that you
do not block from him reaching me, an act of Harassment (criminal act) by
not only your user but perhaps by Verizon as well.

This is CC to that user to tell him as well his emails are not wanted, he is
a slime of a person to resort to this form of Harassment and that if it
continues I will pursue legal remedies both in Criminal and Civil Cases.
Thus I require you to make an archived copy of all logs that may show his
activities involving the resources of your ISP starting at least 24 hours
before the transmission of this email till this matter is resolved.

 Here is his email (outlook express 6.0.x - message properties - details -
message source).  This is followed by the sections from your TOS that apply.

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:42:13 -0400
From: vze3vvj2 <vze3vvj2@verizon.net>
Subject: Shut the fuck up!!!
To: matta00@comcast.net
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Matt,
You are the biggest gaping asshole on this newsgroup.
Stop embarrasing yourself and your cause with the garbage you've been =
sending.  You make all zionist nazis look even worse.  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D6>Stop embarrasing yourself and your =
cause=20
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         Begin list of applied areas of YOUR TOS (Attach. B)
  ===============================================

ATTACHMENT B

ACCEPTABLE USE AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES

1. This Attachment B, "Acceptable Use and Your Responsibilities" sets forth
the VIS policy on the acceptable use by you of the Service, which includes
your optional Personal Web Space. It is designed to help protect the
Service, VIS' customers and the Internet community, from irresponsible or
illegal activities.

(such as Hate Crimes which the Email seems to be, or Harassment based on
Religion?)

2. VIS reserves the right to decline to provide Service to you, or
immediately to terminate your Service for material breach, if your use of
the Service or your use of an alias or the aliases of additional users on
your account, whether explicitly or implicitly, and in the sole discretion
of VIS: (a) is obscene, indecent, pornographic, sadistic, cruel or racist in
nature, or of a sexually explicit or graphic nature; (b) espouses, promotes
or incites bigotry, hatred or racism; (c) might be legally actionable for
any reason, (d) is objectionable for any reason, or (e) in any manner
violates the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.



(such as the use of the "F" word in the subject line, or the wording of the
message containing the "A" word, aimed at a particular Religion, sent as
email that was NOT WANTED and unsolicited by the recipient)



3. You may not use the Service as follows: (a) for any unlawful, improper or
criminal purpose or activity; (b) to post or transmit information or
communications that, whether explicitly stated, implied, or suggested
through use of symbols, are obscene, indecent, pornographic, sadistic,
cruel, or racist in content, or of a sexually explicit or graphic nature; or
which espouses, promotes or incites bigotry, hatred or racism; or which
might be legally actionable for any reason;

...

 (h) to interfere with another person's usage or enjoyment of the Internet
or this Service; (i) to post or transmit information or communications that
are defamatory, fraudulent, obscene or deceptive, including but not limited
to scams such as "make-money-fast" schemes or "pyramid/chain" letters;

router, circuit or software; (p) to use any name or mark of VIS, its parent,
affiliates or subsidiaries, as a hypertext link to any Web site or in any
advertising publicity or other commercial manner; (q) to use your VIS
account for the purpose of operating a server of any type; (r) to use the
Service or the Internet in a manner intended to threaten, harass,
intimidate,; (s) to cause the screen to "scroll" faster than other
subscribers or users are able to type to it, or any action that has a
similar disruptive effect, on or through the Service; (t) to use the Service
to disrupt the normal flow of online dialogue, (u) to use the Service to
violate any operating rule, policy or guideline of any other online services
provider or interactive service; (v) to attempt to subvert or to aid third
parties to subvert, the security of any computer facility or system
connected to the Internet; (w) to impersonate any person or using a false
name while using the Service; (x) to install "auto-responders,"
"cancel-bots" or similar automated or manual routines which generate
excessive amounts of net traffic, or disrupt net user groups or email use by
others; (y) to make false or unverified complaints against any VIS
subscriber, or otherwise abusing any of VIS complaint response procedures;
(z) to use software or any other device that would allow your account to
stay logged on while you are not actively using the Service, unless you are
an DSL customer; (aa) to export software or any information in violation of
US export laws; (bb) to use the Service in contravention of the limitations
of the pricing plan you have chosen; (cc) for DSL customers who use static
IP, such customers must only use their assigned IP address; or (dd) to open
more than ten simultaneous connections to newsgroups at any one time or to
rapidly open and close or create connections for users other than yourself
(our subscriber).

5. You shall comply with all applicable local, state, national and
international laws and regulations, including those related to data privacy,
international communications, and exportation or technical or personal data.
You represent that you are not a specifically designated individual or
entity under any US embargo or otherwise the subject, either directly or
indirectly (by affiliation, or any other connection with another party) to
any order issued by any agency of the US Government limiting, barring,
revoking or denying, in whole or in part your US export privileges. You
agree to notify VIS if you become subject to any such order.

(Both the state of New Jersey and the Federal Government has laws against
crimes of hate defined a as any attempt to intimidate members of a given
race, creed, or religion.  I already asked a friend that is a Prosecutor for
the Federal Court in W. Trenton to give his snap opinion and he said he
would take such a case as your user's email to his boss if I wanted to see
about prosecution for the violation in the intent of this email, I.E. crime
in itself. - Since a the internet like the phone crimes are usually handled
under the Federal court system he would become a source for such
information)



6.  .......

You agree to cooperate with VIS and provide requested information in
connection with all security and use matters. You agree to promptly notify
VIS if you suspect unauthorized use of the Service or of your UserID. You
remain liable for unauthorized use until your notification to VIS. You agree
that your name, UserID and other identifying information may be placed in
our user directory.

(Has this person so notified you, as stated, if not then he/she is still
responsible for this even if someone else did it.  - Please enforce this and
the above)

7. VIS reserves the right to cooperate with legal authorities and/or injured
third parties in the investigation of any suspected crime or civil wrong.

(Here I officially request your companies co-operation in that I ask for all
logs that would indicate the use of this account be held that cover 24 hours
proceeding his sending of the email till the holding time is expired for the
next 120 days at least and that if you have monitoring ability you carefully
monitor and log all his/her activities for that same time period.  This to
be made available to any law enforcement or attorney(s) working for me
should I go that route against your Customer on written request for that
information).

8. VIS reserves the right, but shall be under no obligation, to monitor your
compliance, or the compliance of other subscribers, with the terms,
conditions or policies of this Agreement.

(See above request, in which I request you "to monitor" this person's
compliance to the sections I listed)






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You over sensitive buffoon. You think that is foul moutheed and rude? You 
are nothing but a prudish boor. I would say something really rude to you to 
give you the experience but you obviously are a dog who kow tows to 
authority and have a terrible overbite.
-- 
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?

  


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From: Laurence Godfrey <laurence@godfreynet.net>
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:18:50 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
<mike@NOSPAM.jasper.org.uk> wrote:

>In article <4kkehu8b0vgftir7oo967rin536ico47mb@4ax.com>, Richard Ashton
><'{R}'@semolina.org> writes
>
>>Oh dear, I am sure there was something where cummins was begging for money for
>>a "charity" I wanted to ask which one and what the charity number was.
>
>Message-ID: <memo.20020605200801.2408W@paul.gst-group.co.uk>
>

That's the one. I have reproduced it below so as to compare and contrast it
with an earlier Cummins posting (also copied below) in which he refers to a
radio station. In that case Cummins describes it as "My station" and he
tells us that if it is off-air for 5 days "I lose �6000 in Advertising". 

That is a formidable sum to lose and compares unfavourably even with the
alarming amount apparently demanded from Cummins for 2-weeks' bandwidth (in
excess of $6000 this time) when his ORBS UK was said to be under a DOS
attack (see further copy postings below) in connection with which he also
makes a request for donations from generous readers.

It is fortunate that as "Senior Partner, Paul Cummins, has been with GST
since its inception in 1995" ( www.gst-group.co.uk/global.htm - 11 June
2002 - presently reproduced by Richard Ashton on
fuckwit.tm/www.gst-group.co.uk/global.htm) he can presumably afford to
sustain such losses at least in the short term.

Laurence


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From: agree2pay4uce@gst-group.co.uk (Paul Cummins)
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In article <adlks9$rm5$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Tracy wrote:

> 
> I don't think you'll get much help until you give some indication of the
> charity!

It is a radio project in Basingstoke. What more is needed? If someone is 
going to donate, I am happy to let them know where it is going.

As to what sort of charity needs rackmount UPSs, the sort that broadcasts 
24 hours and has power failures that turn off it's computers...?

-- 
Dr Paul Cummins - Internet Engineer      |  /"\    ASCII RIBBON
Tel: 07050 605150  Fax: 07092 105150     +  \ /      CAMPAIGN
Email: paul(at)gst-group.co.uk           |   X   AGAINST HTML MAIL
http://www.gst-group.co.uk               |  / \    AND POSTINGS


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From: agree2pay4uce@cummins.ie.eu.org (Paul Cummins)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.pirate
Subject: Re: Software Automation recommendations
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:13 +0100 (BST)
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In article <Z1ifyJAUl3A7EwFM@broadcast-warehouse.com>, 
info@broadcast-warehouse.com (info) wrote:

> But at a saving of �2980 a day who cares!

That does depend on how much your airtime is worth to you. if my station 
is off-air for 5 days, I lose �6000 in Advertising. if one of the 
competitors using RCS is off-air for 5 days, they lose in excess of 
�30,000, so RCS is worth it to them.

-- 
Paul Cummins - Internet Professional |  /"\    ASCII RIBBON
Tel: 07021 117179  Fax: 07092 105150 +  \ /      CAMPAIGN
Email: paul(at)cummins.ie.eu.org     |   X   AGAINST HTML MAIL
UCE not welcome, �50 charge applies  |  / \    AND POSTINGS



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From: Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: ORB UK to close down
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:43:59 -0700
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Sorry to hear that.  Be sure and turn the light off on the way out.  (IE
empty zone file or let the zone expire naturally)

Paul Cummins wrote:
> 
> With regret (and many heaving of sighs, I can hear you all) I have to
> inform you all that ORB UK is closing with immediate effect.
> 
> This is because the bills for the bandwidth used during the recent attacks
> on ORB UK exceed $6000, just for the last 2 weeks.
> 
> I can't afford to carry on this sort of damage, especially as this is only
> really a hobby.
> 
> Anyone who can find a way of avoiding this, please feel free to contact
> me, but as it stands, as of 12.00 on 11 December 2001, ORB UK servers will
> be permanently switched off.
> 
> Anyone who feels guilty, or even just generous or charitable, could make a
> paypal payment to traceyg@gst-group.co.uk, all funds will go towards the
> costs of operating ORB UK for the last 6 months, and maybe go some way
> towards putting something more permanent up in future.
> 
> Regards to all, Especially those with whom I have crossed swords.
> 
> And, if someone could copy this across to news.admin.net-abuse.email, I'd
> be grateful :-)
> 
> --
> Dr Paul Cummins - Internet Engineer      |  /"\    ASCII RIBBON
> Tel: +44 1256 322629                     +  \ /      CAMPAIGN
> Email: paul@cummins.ie.eu.org            |   X   AGAINST HTML MAIL
>                                          |  / \    AND POSTINGS
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Delivered using the Free Personal Edition of Mailtraq (www.mailtraq.com)



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From: "Paul Cummins" <paul@cummins.ie.eu.org>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: ORB UK to close down
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"Joe Newsreader" <not@this.address> wrote in message
news:npja1u0jocl6f581krf2u9g6oehfubbp6a@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:46:34 -0800, "Martini" <martinb@myrealbox.com>
 wrote:
>
> I'm very sorry to hear this.  I do have a question, though:
> Who is the ISP that's charging Paul for bandwidth consumed
> during a DOS attack?  Why are they sticking Paul with the
> bill?

Because ORB UK was temporarily moved onto a 100Mb line, and the rental on
that line at maximum usage is slightly more than the mortgage on the MD's
house...

The bill is a potential one that I can't afford, howerver, the reason this
attack has killed me; ORB UK normally deals with 2-3MB of queries a day.
During the DOS attack, we were dealing with 2-3MB a MINUTE, wiping out not
only ORB UK, but also GST-Group, Purplespot (my secondary DNS) and one of
my servers.

____________________________________

PS. Students of Cummins may wish to view:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=memo.20010517161328.812G%40postmaster.aquaphiles.eu.org&oe=UTF8&output=gplain

and

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&threadm=u1aif8d5mrog99%40news.
supernews.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcummins%2B%2522just%2Bfor%2Bthe%2Blast%2B2%2
Bweeks%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF8%26selm%3Du1aif8d5mrog99%
2540news.supernews.com%26rnum%3D1

or
http://tinyurl.com/gtu




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From: Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com>
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Subject: "xmission.com Big problem here." - SPEWS
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As the founder and owner of XMission, I have long led the fight against
spam.  From helping people block domains with sendmail back in the early
days:
	http://spam.abuse.net/adminhelp/dropbad.txt

To being listed as a "goodsite" by abuse.net for over five years.

        http://spam.abuse.net/goodsites/x.shtml

To helping draft local spam legislation:

        http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2002/bills/hbillenr/hb0080.htm

Thus it was to my utter delight to find that SPEWS had blacklisted us
without any notification or warning.  Its also super nice that they provide
no contact ability and instead direct us to newsgroups and mailing lists.

It took our admins about 3 minutes to isolate the problem to a web form
using formmail that had a hole to allow relaying.  The "Big problem" listed
by SPEWS turned out to be a 10 second fix.

Thanks SPEWS! I look forward to the next time I'm swinging in the noose
without knowing why I'm there.

"Saying you have closed your relay is like saying you no longer beat your
 wife." - SPEWS

-- 
		   Pneumatic tubes are killing the Internet.

Pete Ashdown    pashdown@xmission.com     ICQ:5717723     Salt Lake City, Utah
   XMission Internet Access - http://www.xmission.com - Voice: 801 539 0852


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Subject: Re: "xmission.com Big problem here." - SPEWS
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:33:45 +0000 (UTC), Pete Ashdown
<pashdown@xmission.com> coughed up this hairball:

>As the founder and owner of XMission, I have long led the fight against
>spam.  From helping people block domains with sendmail back in the early
>days:
>	http://spam.abuse.net/adminhelp/dropbad.txt
>
>To being listed as a "goodsite" by abuse.net for over five years.
>
>        http://spam.abuse.net/goodsites/x.shtml
>
>To helping draft local spam legislation:
>
>        http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2002/bills/hbillenr/hb0080.htm
>
>Thus it was to my utter delight to find that SPEWS had blacklisted us
>without any notification or warning.  Its also super nice that they provide
>no contact ability and instead direct us to newsgroups and mailing lists.
>
>It took our admins about 3 minutes to isolate the problem to a web form
>using formmail that had a hole to allow relaying.  The "Big problem" listed
>by SPEWS turned out to be a 10 second fix.
>
>Thanks SPEWS! I look forward to the next time I'm swinging in the noose
>without knowing why I'm there.
>
>"Saying you have closed your relay is like saying you no longer beat your
> wife." - SPEWS

Good thing they had you listed or you might never have found the
broken formail script.



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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:33:45 +0000 (UTC), Pete Ashdown
<pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:

>As the founder and owner of XMission, I have long led the fight against
>spam.  From helping people block domains with sendmail back in the early
>days:
>	http://spam.abuse.net/adminhelp/dropbad.txt
>
>To being listed as a "goodsite" by abuse.net for over five years.
>
>        http://spam.abuse.net/goodsites/x.shtml
>
>To helping draft local spam legislation:
>
>        http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2002/bills/hbillenr/hb0080.htm
>
>Thus it was to my utter delight to find that SPEWS had blacklisted us
>without any notification or warning.

You don't get into SPEWS without abuse reports going to your ISP. So ask
WestNet what they did with them. As far as contacting you directly they
have no way of knowing nor do they have time to figure out who is who.
That is your ISP's responsibility, which it would seem they failed at
miserably.

>  Its also super nice that they provide
>no contact ability and instead direct us to newsgroups and mailing lists.

No need to contact them, fix the problem and the listing goes away.
Which you are about to see in action. It really is a nice system.

>It took our admins about 3 minutes to isolate the problem to a web form
>using formmail that had a hole to allow relaying.  The "Big problem" listed
>by SPEWS turned out to be a 10 second fix.

You seem somewhat cavalier about running an open server. I can assure
you the spam you allowed cost the internet community more than 3
minutes. But if you are the big bad spam fighter that you say you are
you know that.

Too bad the laws you helped draft don't hold those that run insecure
servers responsible for their actions.


JK





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In <aoev5p$g9t$1@terabinaries.xmission.com>, on 10/14/2002
   at 05:33 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> said:

>As the founder and owner of XMission, I have long led the fight
>against spam.

The voice is the voice of Ashdown, but the hands are the hands of
Grubor.

>Thus it was to my utter delight to find that SPEWS had blacklisted
>us without any notification or warning.

You got notification and warning. You failed to act on it.

>The "Big problem" listed by SPEWS turned out to be a 10 second fix.

It only took you 10 seconds to fix your attitude? When did that
happen? And why did you revert?

>Thanks SPEWS! I look forward to the next time I'm swinging in the
>noose without knowing why I'm there.

Then maybe it would be a good idea to ensure that your mandatory role
accounts are all functional and that somebody responds decisively and
expeditiously to them.

Are you so arrogant and stupid that you expect us to take your word
for it, instead of seeing the complaints in nanas addressed to you. Or
are you saying that you will only act on a complaint if you know that
it comes from SPEWS? Forget it; they won't tell you.

Did it ever occur to you that your belligerent, irrational and
uninformed comments would get you blocked in private lists that are
much more permanent than SPEWS? Do you realize that calling people
stupid for pointing out your incompetence is ill advised when you are
looking for favors. Did it occur to you that accusing everyone who
defends SPEWS of being part of them qulifies you for KOTY? Has it
occured to you that SPEWS is not using the courts to force its will
only you, only publishing its opinions, and that your lame comparisons
only injure your credibility?

In <aoi03t$j22$2@terabinaries.xmission.com>, on 10/15/2002
   at 09:08 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> said:

>I blew a gasket because
>what was a very direct unemotional post about the situation was
>flamed mercilessly.

So by you lame sarcasm and prevarication is direct and unemotional?
Please note that in the rare cases where SPEWS has made an error,
posters were quick to defend the OP.  In
<aoi0iu$j22$4@terabinaries.xmission.com>, on 10/15/2002
   at 09:16 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> said:

>No, I wanted to send my message to SPEWS but they have no email
>address. Then a large contingent of people who don't speak for SPEWS
>decided to speak for SPEWS. 

Look, you boob, this is a news group. Its purpose is to discuss email
abuse issues. It is not a private communications channel. You post
here, people read your article, people respond to it. You have no say
in who chooses to respond.

I haven't seen anybody speaking for SPEWS; I've seen a lot of people
speaking for themselves. That's what a news group is for. The fact
that they agree with SPEWS doesn't mean that they are speakingf for
it. In fact, the issue at this point is you rather than SPEWS.

In <aoi15e$j22$6@terabinaries.xmission.com>, on 10/15/2002
   at 09:26 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> said:

>After describing the
>problem, he was summarily berated and antagonized by individuals who
>didn't bother to read the original post.

ROTF,LMAO! ITYM "by people who read the original post and didn't
understand how a sysadmin could be so thoroughly depleted of cluons."

For the record, my provider is welcome to block you; I don't nneed any
e-mail from your network. The first time that I get spam from your
oh-so-competent network I will make a request for a block.

In <aoi9o6$ofv$6@terabinaries.xmission.com>, on 10/15/2002
   at 11:52 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> said:

>No Chester Chickenboner, all I'm looking for is a contact system for
>SPEWS that doesn't involve public whipping.

He who lives by the flame shall die by the flame. If you don't like
insults, then start by posting a polite article. Post an article that
reads like Cantner&Siegel and people will respond accordingly. Your
choice.

-- 
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     Atid/2, Team OS/2, Team PL/I

Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal
action.  I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any
abusive E-mail.

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me.  Do not
reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org



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"Otis Willie" <militaryinterest@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Nuclear Terrorism Focus Shifting to Research Facilities
[SNIP]
> U.S. and friendly nation laws prohibit fully reproducing

You have been propagating legal nonsense and you have been doing so for
years. You should be bitch slapped until you are silly.

> copyrighted material. In abidance with our laws this report
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> in full today, 28 Nov 2002, at the following URL. (COMBINE
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> viewpoint of the distributing Library. This report is provided
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>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48663-2002Nov27.html

You are doing a disservice to the reader. The URL you have posted requires
disclosure of personal information. No person should be required to disclose
personal information because of your faulty interpretation of the law, your
lack of backbone.

> ---------------------------
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Post the whole story or get the fuck out of this forum, asshole.

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AaMm wrote:
> 
> In article <b0hnpe$2fj$0@pita.alt.net>
> "aamm.board@stump.a1gebra.com" <aamm.board@stump.a1gebra.com> wrote:
> >
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > > Beep wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:02:21 -0600, Ashurbanipal
> > >><mitanni@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:39:21 -0500, CFA� <parody@alt.not> spleniated...
> > >>>
> > >>>>In the group, you will see many posts that are not approved (check the
> > >>>>headers for mine, for instance).
> > >>>>That means the group isn't being treated as moderated EVEN ON THE
> > >>>>SERVER THAT HOSTS IT.
> > >>>
> > >>>      No, it means the servers those people are using to post from are
> > >>>unmoderated. Igor isn't retarded - I'm sure aamm is flagged as moderated on
> > >>>that server. Unfortunately it likely isn't flagged as that anywhere else in
> > >>>the Usenet universe, which makes the group de facto unmoderated.
> > >>>
> > >>>      The only circumstance where it would matter that the group was flagged
> > >>>as unmoderated on the 'home' server...no, scratch that. If the group was
> > >>>flagged as moderated on altopia and you submitted a post and it went to
> > >>>submission address, it wouldn't matter whether it the group was flagged as
> > >>>moderated on the 'home' server - the post would go, or not go, as the
> > >>>'moderator' desired. Whereas, on any server where the group was not flagged as
> > >>>moderator, posting would occur as it would normally.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Even Google is archiving unapproved posts.
> > >>>
> > >>>      Because google hasn't flagged it as a moderator.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Not only is the group being treated as unmoderated on the servers that
> > >>>>bother to carry it, it is quite likely servers like Earthlink will
> > >>>>NEVER carry it, because you didn't go through the proper procedure in
> > >>>>setting it up (hint: the proper procedure involves the words
> > >>>>"alt.config").
> > >>>
> > >>>      Yes.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>IF YOU HAD gone through the proper procedure, folks in alt.config
> > >>>>would probably have vetoed your idea, because there are ALREADY TWO
> > >>>>MODERATED ASTROLOGY GROUPS. And your justification
> > >>>
> > >>>      Isn't it funny how people suggested moderation to Ed before there was
> > >>>ever a moderated group,
> > >>
> > >>It's because of this that I feel kind of bad about the hassle he is
> > >>getting over this one.  People DID suggest to him that he form a
> > >>moderated group, and now that he's done so, he's getting a lot of flak
> > >>for it.
> > >>
> > >>Devil's advocate, I know ;)
> > >>
> > >>It's the Libra sun :)
> > >>
> > >>Pam
> > >
> > >
> > > So you believe telling the truth is acting as Devil's advocate, huh?
> >
> > She's SYMPATHIZING with you for once, you ungrateful asshole!
> >
> > > They don't want me to do anything, anyone with half a brain can see
> > > this.
> >
> > BULLSHIT! That's a complete lie! We don't want you to do nothing; we
> > want you to KOOK OUT and entertain us!
> >
> > >Which is why I stay and defeat them over and over.
> >
> > Could you define "defeat" for us? So many of have been defeated,
> > according to you, and none of us is aware of it.
> >
> >
> > > abusive insertion of alt.astrology.metapsych removed.
> >
> > But you didn't take out alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych. Wasn't the
> > whole point of creating aamm because you had no control over aam?
> >
> > Also, why are you posting to aamm AND crossposting to other groups?
> >
> > That's a violation of your own charter, fool!
> >
> > I guess you're saying that aamm is a FAILURE!
> >
> > This must be YOUR way of admitting defeat. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
> 
> HAHA!!

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On 22 Jan 2003, Edmond Wollmann <arcturian-one@earthlink.net> posted
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> This spammer is 

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Come off it Ed.  That wasn't forging or spamming.  That was a 1st 
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> Off topic harassment, against ALL AUPs by any ligitimate ISP.

So file a lawsuit, assmunch!

is this part of your "always happy" strategy?

Nice meltdown, KOOK!
> 
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> Ross wrote:
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>>Edmond Wollmann <arcturian-one@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>news:3E53B5AB.5811@earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>Off topic stalking, harassment, flooding. NASNAU repl<SLAP!>
>>
>>Oh, stop your whining, Eddie.  Why did you agree to this (on some level)?
>>
>>Perhaps you want some nice cheddar to go along with your vintage Chateau de
>>Cry-baby.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/abusive_isps_list.htm *UPDATED*
>>>>>08/11/2002 07:51:35 AM
>>>>
>>>>SPNAK!!1!!
>>
>>I agree with this SPNAK!!!2!!!
>>
>>R.
>>
>>--
>>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and Eddie's stupidity,
>>and I'm not sure about the former."
>>                                 --Albert Einstein
> 
> 



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Date: 11 Mar 2003 23:02:38 -0000
Message-ID: <UDXQZLFZ37691.710162037@anonymous.poster>
From: TTYGAMES@UUNET.NETPIGS.COM
Subject: ASSHOLES/AT/UUNET/SPY/ING IN ARIZONA
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*****Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP? 
68--129--0--14==tnt1(DOT)tucson(DOT)az(DOT)da(DOT)uu.net
take out the extra symbols to get the true IP
They often tty my internet connection and hang up when they
don't like what they see. Lusers is what they are and I have 
the logs to prove it. Guess I gotta start looking for another ISP.
When are we going to get easily encrypted data transfers from point to
point, so users don't have to put up with these invasions of privacy?
ON ALL protocols. KEEP THE NET FREE, not another one of King George's
Masters.






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Date: 11 Mar 2003 23:32:20 -0000
Message-ID: <A8LQBVMQ37692.0224537037@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
From: SPY-INGFU-CKS@UUADMINS.COM
Subject: SPYINGFUCKS-AT UUNET/POP
Cc: mail2news@freedom.gmsociety.org
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*****Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP? 
68--129--0--14==tnt1(DOT)tucson(DOT)az(DOT)da(DOT)uu.net
take out the extra symbols to get the true IP
They often tty my internet connection and hang up when they
don't like what they see. Lusers is what they are and I have 
the logs to prove it. Guess I gotta start looking for another ISP.
When are we going to get easily encrypted data transfers from point to
point, so users don't have to put up with these invasions of privacy?
ON ALL protocols. KEEP THE NET FREE, not another one of King George's
Masters.






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Date: 11 Mar 2003 23:54:47 -0000
Message-ID: <GK6CXQ7W37691.7463773148@anonymous.poster>
From: SNooPDIS@UPYOURS.COM
Subject: ASSHOLES AT UUNET SPYING IN ARIZONA
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HOW YA GONNA KEEP THE NETCOPS DOWN ON THE FARM WHERE THEY BELONG?

Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP?

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68-129-0-14=tnt1.tucson.az.da.uu.net

They frequently snoop my internet connection and hang up when they
don't like what they see. Sleezeball snoops is what they are and I have 
the logs to prove it. 

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From:  <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>
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Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP?

68-129-0-14=tnt1.tucson.az.da.uu.net

They frequently snoop my internet connection and hang up when they
don't like what they see. Sleezeball snoops is what they are and I have 
the logs to prove it. 






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Date: 12 Mar 2003 00:23:57 -0000
Message-ID: <3C16AFZ437692.0582986111@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
From: SPYINGFUCKS@UUADMINS.COM
Subject: SPYINGFUCKS-AT UUNET-POP
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HOW YA GONNA KEEP THE NETCOPS DOWN ON THE FARM WHERE THEY BELONG?

Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP?

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68-129-0-14=tnt1.tucson.az.da.uu.net

They frequently snoop my internet connection and hang up when they
don't like what they see. Sleezeball snoops is what they are and I have 
the logs to prove it. 

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From: mattg@webpipe.net (amatter)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Warn-UUNET-SPYING-POP_ARIZONA
Date: 17 Mar 2003 17:41:35 -0800
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You can do a whois at arin.net (American Registry for Internet
Numbers). It tells who to contact, in this case you want to contact
the ABUSE department. Here's the output of the whois:

ARIN Search results for: 68.129.0.14

OrgName:    UUNET Technologies, Inc.
OrgID:      UUDA
Address:    22001 Loudoun County Parkway
City:       Ashburn
StateProv:  VA
PostalCode: 20147
Country:    US

NetRange:   68.128.0.0 - 68.141.255.255
CIDR:       68.128.0.0/13, 68.136.0.0/14, 68.140.0.0/15
NetName:    NETBLK-UUNET97DU-3BLK
NetHandle:  NET-68-128-0-0-1
Parent:     NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType:    Direct Allocation
NameServer: DIALDNS1.UU.NET
NameServer: DIALDNS2.UU.NET
Comment:    ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate:    2002-05-13
Updated:    2003-03-11

TechHandle: OA12-ARIN
TechName:   UUnet Technologies, Inc., Technologies
TechPhone:  +1-800-900-0241
TechEmail:  help4u@wcom.com

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE3-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:   abuse
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-800-900-0241
OrgAbuseEmail:  abuse-mail@wcom.com

OrgNOCHandle: NAG-ARIN
OrgNOCName:   GridNet International, Net Admin
OrgNOCPhone:  +1-800-998-5520
OrgNOCEmail:  netadmin@ao.wcom.net

OrgTechHandle: NAG-ARIN
OrgTechName:   GridNet International, Net Admin
OrgTechPhone:  +1-800-998-5520
OrgTechEmail:  netadmin@ao.wcom.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-03-16 20:00
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

            




 <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<GT6Q6ME037691.7463888889@anonymous.poster>...
> Is there anyway to determine who admins for this POP?
> 
> 68-129-0-14=tnt1.tucson.az.da.uu.net
> 
> They frequently snoop my internet connection and hang up when they
> don't like what they see. Sleezeball snoops is what they are and I have 
> the logs to prove it.


From 8200543580988588966
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From: bwojr@rrnet.com (Bruce Opheim Jr.)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: UUNET SPYING USERS AT AZ POP
Date: 29 Mar 2003 21:20:52 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
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UUNET@SPYADMINS.COM wrote in message news:<98ZW23W337685.8898726852@Gilgamesh-frog.org>...
> This UUNET hub routinely spys on my internet connection and remotely 
> hangs up it's modem when it doesn't like what it sees. Very unprofess-
> ional. I have the logs to prove it. If anyone can supply me with the 
> name of the person(s) running these servers, I would be most 
> appreciative.
> 
> 68.129.0.14-tnt1.tucson.az.da.uu.net

Ummmm... SHINY side out.

Bruce Opheim Jr.
bwojr@rrnet.com


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On 21 Jun 2003 00:21:46 GMT, bmqtug@earthlink.net wrote:

>I made this backdoor to a paysite I hacked. Here it's yours for free!
>
>http://www.sexxxserver.com/filthy
>
>(see I'm cool like that!)
>
>remember my name: ev3rH@k
>xqetxjeogkikgfuqnoke

beat it, creep. News-admin,  this individual spammed our newsgroup -
can you help? - Ъ�


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If you have technical expertise and feel you can help me rid the internet of
a defamatory website, I will compensate you.



The site is www.harrisblackwatch.com

The site is defamatory and uses unauthorized photos.



I want the site removed, the domain name closed, and the listing removed
from all search engines. If you are able to do this and prove it, write me
at sitegoesdown@hotmail.com and I will compensate you in U.S. Dollars.



Serious only. Thank you.


-- 







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Subject: Re: computer expert needed
Followup-To: de.alt.0d
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Site Goes Down <sitegoesdown@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you have technical expertise and feel you can help me rid the internet of
> a defamatory website, I will compensate you.
> I want the site removed, the domain name closed, and the listing removed
> from all search engines. If you are able to do this and prove it, write me
> at sitegoesdown@hotmail.com and I will compensate you in U.S. Dollars.

What an Idiot. NEWSFLASH: Thats what Lawers are for.
Now do us all a favor, and go to a law firm or just die.

Juergen
-- 
Juergen P. Meier - "This World is about to be Destroyed!"


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Subject: Re: computer expert needed
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Bom, como eu n�o entendo nada de ingl�is eu vou falar em portugu�is
mesmio porque os americcanos s�o todos viadinhos e fillhos dda putaa..

     eu s� estou falaando erraddo pra elles n�o tentarem tradusir
essia b�stia n�e?


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Subject: Re: computer expert needed
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RoCcO <acid-burns@bol.com.br> wrote:
> Bom, como eu n�o entendo nada de ingl�is eu vou falar em portugu�is
> mesmio porque os americcanos s�o todos viadinhos e fillhos dda putaa..
> 
>      eu s� estou falaando erraddo pra elles n�o tentarem tradusir
> essia b�stia n�e?

Embora esta seja uma cruz que afixa sobre diversos grupos faladores na
maior parte ingleses da not�cia, voc� n�o necessita preocupar-se sobre
o �ndice. Era justa um lixo falando do troll.

(Eu n�o falo o portugu�s)

fup2p,
Juergen
-- 
Juergen P. Meier - "This World is about to be Destroyed!"


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"Juergen P. Meier" <news-2003@jors.net> wrote in message news:<990.6348.1058164169@news.jors.net>...
> RoCcO <acid-burns@bol.com.br> wrote:
> > Bom, como eu n�o entendo nada de ingl�is eu vou falar em portugu�is
> > mesmio porque os americcanos s�o todos viadinhos e fillhos dda putaa..
> > 
> >      eu s� estou falaando erraddo pra elles n�o tentarem tradusir
> > essia b�stia n�e?
> 
> Embora esta seja uma cruz que afixa sobre diversos grupos faladores na
> maior parte ingleses da not�cia, voc� n�o necessita preocupar-se sobre
> o �ndice. Era justa um lixo falando do troll.
> 
> (Eu n�o falo o portugu�s)
> 
> fup2p,
> Juergen

espana


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-- 
Public Flogging should come back into vogue for all spammers to be publicly
punished!


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From: "EXPLORER" <Esplchrist@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Attn: Moderators and Disciples of Alice Bailey
Date: 1999/03/14
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There is lots of arrogancy on these "Christian" news groups. Oh well, should
have known from past church experiences.
Phillip the Apostle wrote in message <36E0AC33.F53707EF@erols.com>...
>Please Help me.
>Open letter to the person who sprayed spam on us.
>
>This is not spam, you dote.  It is to open discussions and contact
>people who study Bailey, as they are the ones who've been meeting about
>this.
>
>The subject of my writings is the same subject as Alice A. Bailey, you
>ignorant swine.
>
>Do not threaten my right to talk about Christ, whom I know, and is here,
>as Bailey wrote would be, in her many books.
>
>Kenneth, you interrupting, pompous butt: Alice Bailey's books, prepare
>her students for the coming of Christ right now.  My friend is this
>Being.  I write for Him, as His Apostle.  Another of our Apostles is a
>disciple of Alice Bailey, and Alice's elite core of "closer" students.
>
>Your conceptions of what I am doing, are wrong, closed, ignorant, and
>are draining my precious energy.  You should really reconsider your own
>future on the internet, because one more moment of this not guaranteed.
>I never bothered you.  It was you who threatened my rights via email.
>
>I am hereby reporting Mr. Kenneth iamone@globalnet.co.uk for his
>downright bullying tactics towards my postings and interaction on the
>internet.  I am "CC"ing  this to Newsgroup Abuse, This moderator,
>members of Bailey's Group, Christnet Ethics, Erols' appropriate
>departments,  and Globalnet, your service provider, and Christ Himself.
>
>These kind of threats to our positive messages must not be allowed to
>continue.
>
>The Freedom of Speech specifically allows me to post exactly what I
>want, what's on my mind.  I am on topic in all groups I post to, and I
>correspond with people who are interested in my topics out of common
>interest. What more could you ask for, you ungrateful human, Mr. ia mone
>@Globalnet.co.uk. I am busy building another web site, and needn't this
>expenditure to defend my rights to use news groups.
>
>I would like everyone who reads this to tell iamone@globalnet.co.uk , to
>please cease and desist badgering and threatening, thus leaving me to my
>postings of truth, and UNcommercialism, and topic relevance.   If you
>haven't been to www.OmegaChrist.com, you don't know what you are
>condemning or defending, so I urge you to do this.   Please help us.
>
>Sincerely and appreciatively,
>Phillip
>
>
>iamone@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:25:47 -0500, in alt.metaphysics.a-a-bailey you
>> wrote:
>>
>> >For those of you who think my writings are �very funny�, I thank you
>> >all, and encourage those to see the �light� that is within �The
>> Light�.
>> >This is great.  I need more of you to email me and tell me what
>> >newsgroups you are reading our stuff in.  So I can post more for you.
>>
>> >If you know any place it can go, please submit it there yourself, and
>>
>> >email me.  Mega Karma points for that, definitely.  This will help us
>>
>> >not miss any place in this vast Internet, Usenet and Spiritnet.
>>
>> This dear friend is called 'spam'.
>>
>> Desist or you will be spammed yourself, and lose your account with
>> erols.
>>
>> I have cc'd this note to them for their consideration.
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>> iamone@globalnet.co.uk
>





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On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:15:11 GMT, tomitire@vegas.infi.net (Pat Harris)
wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:32:14 -0500, "LadyNi" <replybuttto@email.me>
>wrote:

>>John Fitzsimons <johnf@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
>>news:37022b69.24388270@news.melbpc.org.au...

>>>Good, however one still sees posts posted to 10, or more, newsgroups
>>>at a time. If all I.S.P.s killed posts that were sent to more than 5
>>>newsgroups at a time then that would result in a big spam reduction.

>>I'm not so sure about that. Take the case of Ray Karczewski:
>>He posts the same message to 15+ newsgroups by sending
>>3 or 4 posts with 5 or more ngs in the headers. If someone
>>is determined to get their message out, they'll find a way, come
>>hell or highwater.

>>LadyNi

>But forewarned is forearmed;
>correct.  I do not read any of his
>messages so they present no
>problem.  

< snip >

I don't generally read posts that are crossposted to 15 newsgroups
either. Such posters are generally just advertising to the world what
morons they are. What "we" do however is not what "newbies" do. 
A lot of them contribute to spam by adding to widely crossposted spam
threads.

Regards, John.
 
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From: fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com
Subject: My new web site!!
Date: 1999/04/06
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 Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and 3733t
hacKerzerInG stuff!!

  www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html





 FatherQuinn
 "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"



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please for the love of god -- try not to use aol and elite in the same sentence.
:)
other than that thanks for making me laugh -- pat nigel on the head for me...you
sick sick bastard

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and 3733t
> hacKerzerInG stuff!!
>
>   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
>
>  FatherQuinn
>  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own




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Subject: Re: My new web site!!
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Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the site made by
Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for it.

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and 3733t
> hacKerzerInG stuff!!
>
>   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
>
>  FatherQuinn
>  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

--
FatherQuinn
"Like A Moonlight Shadow......"





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From: fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
Date: 1999/04/07
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In article <370A5B9E.137D3B41@freeuk.com>,
  FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the site made
>by  Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for it.

Don't believe this FAKER!! Its the real McCoy! Go to it now!!

 Fatherquinn
"Like A Moonlight Shadow......"


> fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and
3733t
> > hacKerzerInG stuff!!
> >
> >   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
> >
> >  FatherQuinn
> >  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> >
> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
> --
> FatherQuinn
> "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
>

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Yeah sure pal. You such a lamer you can't even forge my e-mail address and details
right!!!! I laugh in your face. :-) LOL

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <370A5B9E.137D3B41@freeuk.com>,
>   FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the site made
> >by  Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for it.
>
> Don't believe this FAKER!! Its the real McCoy! Go to it now!!
>
>  Fatherquinn
> "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> > fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > >  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and
> 3733t
> > > hacKerzerInG stuff!!
> > >
> > >   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
> > >
> > >  FatherQuinn
> > >  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> > >
> > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> >
> > --
> > FatherQuinn
> > "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> >
> >
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

--
FatherQuinn
"Like A Moonlight Shadow......"





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From: fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
Date: 1999/04/07
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I'm JIM HUNTER REALLY!!!! I had you ALL fooled with this gag!!!! I'm a lamer!!!!
HAHAHAHA. E-Mail me at: jimhunter@mailcity.com

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <370A5B9E.137D3B41@freeuk.com>,
>   FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the site made
> >by  Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for it.
>
> Don't believe this FAKER!! Its the real McCoy! Go to it now!!
>
>  Fatherquinn
> "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> > fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > >  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and
> 3733t
> > > hacKerzerInG stuff!!
> > >
> > >   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
> > >
> > >  FatherQuinn
> > >  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> > >
> > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> >
> > --
> > FatherQuinn
> > "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> >
> >
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

--






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From: FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
Date: 1999/04/07
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You can't even forge an e-mai on a newsgroup right!!! Who's the lamer know pal???
It's not me guess that only leaves YOU. You could have tried to hide the Dejanews
details at the bottom.

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <370A5B9E.137D3B41@freeuk.com>,
>   FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the site made
> >by  Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for it.
>
> Don't believe this FAKER!! Its the real McCoy! Go to it now!!
>
>  Fatherquinn
> "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> > fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > >  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies and
> 3733t
> > > hacKerzerInG stuff!!
> > >
> > >   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
> > >
> > >  FatherQuinn
> > >  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> > >
> > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> >
> > --
> > FatherQuinn
> > "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
> >
> >
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

--
FatherQuinn
"Like A Moonlight Shadow......"





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From: "Cor!" <chris@xgardens.freeserve.HOW.COULD.YOU.MISS.IT-REMOVE.THIS.TEXT.WHEN.REPLYING.co.uk>
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
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fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7ee7rh$sbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <370A5B9E.137D3B41@freeuk.com>,
>  FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> Yeah like that's really me. Nice try but no biscuit!!! This is  the
site made
>>by  Jim Hunter (aka. Lamerz R us. jimhunter@mailcity.com) Don't fall for
it.
>

>Don't believe this FAKER!! Its the real McCoy! Go to it now!!

I think not.

Anyone could see you're the "FAKER" before they even read your post.

The 'real' Father Quinn uses FreeUK as his ISP.

BTW, I think DejaNews' Terms Of Service forbids anyone from impersonating
another.
--
Cor!�

Privacy statement :
Avoid the Intel Pentium III - the processor with a trojan inside.
http://www.bigbrotherinside.org


>
> Fatherquinn
>"Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
>
>> fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> >  Come see my new web site!! Open to everyone!! Lots of AOL proggies
and
>3733t
>> > hacKerzerInG stuff!!
>> >
>> >   www.angelfire.com/on2/hackinangel/index.html
>> >
>> >  FatherQuinn
>> >  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>> >
>> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network
==----------
>> > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your
Own
>>
>> --
>> FatherQuinn
>> "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>>
>>
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own




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From: fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
Date: 1999/04/07
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In article <370BA165.A93922A1@freeuk.com>,
  FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> You can't even forge an e-mai on a newsgroup right!!! Who's the lamer know
                          ^^^^^                                         ^^^^
What's the matter, sonny, so POed you forget to use that spell checker?

>pal???

We're not your pal....

> It's not me guess that only leaves YOU. You could have tried to hide the
>Dejanews details at the bottom.

Who's trying to hide anything, you wanker? We *know* exactly what we're doing
and we're doing it quite well. BTW, Dejanews automatically posts the details
down at the bottom. What you can't comprehend is we don't give a shit.

HAHAHAHA.

 FatherQuinn

 "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    



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Subject: Re: My new web site!!
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why do I and the rest of this newsgroup have to suffer through this crap? I mean,
its humorous and all but if i wanted drama I would be at home watching general
hospitable or days of our lives....

fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <370BA165.A93922A1@freeuk.com>,
>   FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > You can't even forge an e-mai on a newsgroup right!!! Who's the lamer know
>                           ^^^^^                                         ^^^^
> What's the matter, sonny, so POed you forget to use that spell checker?
>
> >pal???
>
> We're not your pal....
>
> > It's not me guess that only leaves YOU. You could have tried to hide the
> >Dejanews details at the bottom.
>
> Who's trying to hide anything, you wanker? We *know* exactly what we're doing
> and we're doing it quite well. BTW, Dejanews automatically posts the details
> down at the bottom. What you can't comprehend is we don't give a shit.
>
> HAHAHAHA.
>
>  FatherQuinn
>
>  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own



fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <370BA165.A93922A1@freeuk.com>,
>   FatherQuinn <fatherquinn@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > You can't even forge an e-mai on a newsgroup right!!! Who's the lamer know
>                           ^^^^^                                         ^^^^
> What's the matter, sonny, so POed you forget to use that spell checker?
>
> >pal???
>
> We're not your pal....
>
> > It's not me guess that only leaves YOU. You could have tried to hide the
> >Dejanews details at the bottom.
>
> Who's trying to hide anything, you wanker? We *know* exactly what we're doing
> and we're doing it quite well. BTW, Dejanews automatically posts the details
> down at the bottom. What you can't comprehend is we don't give a shit.
>
> HAHAHAHA.
>
>  FatherQuinn
>
>  "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own




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From: fatherquinn@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: My new web site!!
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Hey, will you tell that kid who hacked the angelfire site to change the green
ta black. I read it and laffed my ass off! Cheers!

 FatherQuinn

 "Like A Moonlight Shadow......"


-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    



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Sure. It's:


Registrant:
BBN Corporation (BBN-DOM)
   150 CambridgePark Drive
   Cambridge, MA 02140

   Domain Name: BBN.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      BBN Network Operations Center  (BNOC)  ops@BBNPLANET.COM
      800-632-7638
Fax- 781-262-6351
   Billing Contact:
      AP, GTEI Domain  (GDA35)  domain-bill@GTEI.NET
      800-632-7638 (FAX) 617-873-6012

   Record last updated on 10-Mar-99.
   Record created on 24-Apr-85.
   Database last updated on 15-Apr-99 15:35:20 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS2.BARRNET.NET  131.119.246.6
   KNOCK.SER.BBNPLANET.NET 192.239.16.129




Anonymous <nobody@replay.com> wrote in message > I don't know how to find
out who 4.16.16.84 is the IP number for.  Can
>  anybody help?
>





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From: larsmn@iname.com (LMN=>)
Subject: Re: repeat trolling
Date: 1999/04/23
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Fuckheads: The Usenet Cabal
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Newsangelz: yes
X-Virus: Hi! I'm a header virus! Copy me into yours and join the fun!

Guardian coughed in [news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]:

)news:alt.fan.starwars
)
)This newsgroup has been disrupted by a troll since February of 1999. 
)The individual responsible has been TOS'd from RCN.com numerous times,
)but he/she keeps resurfacing.  Any information on this individual would
)be appreciated.
)
)The links to this individual's posts are too numerous, but you can find
)his/her work on Dejanews.
)
)Author names... 
)
)ToothlessJack
)JackisBack
)WholeLottaKenobi
)SqueezeMyLemon
)Peenus
)DrGiggles
)4cymbals
)K-NINE
)Bill Dobbins (spoofed addy, original owner notified)
)Keith Huddleston
)Blue (spoofed addy, original owner notified)
)
)Numerous other names that I can't remember, obviously done to thwart
)killfiles.
)
)The individual has also trolled the following groups...
)alt.amazon-women.admirers
)alt.fan.howard-stern
)
)Please help.

What are your proof? These might be several people and
you are too sensitive.




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From: Wolfgang Linsmayer <wlinsmayer@teleweb.at>
Subject: Re: repeat trolling
Date: 1999/04/23
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"LMN=>" schrieb:
> 
> Guardian coughed in [news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]:
> 
> )news:alt.fan.starwars
> )
> )This newsgroup has been disrupted by a troll since February of 1999.
> )The individual responsible has been TOS'd from RCN.com numerous times,
> )but he/she keeps resurfacing.  Any information on this individual would
> )be appreciated.
> )
> )The links to this individual's posts are too numerous, but you can find
> )his/her work on Dejanews.
> )
> )Author names...
> )
> )ToothlessJack
> )JackisBack
> )WholeLottaKenobi
> )SqueezeMyLemon
> )Peenus
> )DrGiggles
> )4cymbals
> )K-NINE
> )Bill Dobbins (spoofed addy, original owner notified)
> )Keith Huddleston
> )Blue (spoofed addy, original owner notified)
> )
> )Numerous other names that I can't remember, obviously done to thwart
> )killfiles.
> )
> )The individual has also trolled the following groups...
> )alt.amazon-women.admirers
> )alt.fan.howard-stern
> )
> )Please help.
> 
> What are your proof? These might be several people and
> you are too sensitive.

Go thorough dejanews and read all of the posts - It's quite obvious, and
sometimes he even admits it!

MTFBWY
Ikarus
-- 
Adm. Ikarus Wolperrn
Fleet Commander 2nd fleet
a.f.s. Rebel Alliance
http://fly.to/2nd.Fleet 
ICQ#: 25696932

The Rebel Alliance needs YOU, pilot!



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From: "inpheaux skifyre" <inpheaux@no-spam.mindless.com>
Subject: Re: repeat trolling
Date: 1999/04/23
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LMN=> <larsmn@iname.com> wrote in message
news:3747672d.8147491@kilkill.org...
| Guardian coughed in [news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]:
|
| )Please help.
|
| What are your proof? These might be several people and
| you are too sensitive.

ugh, im not quite sure where to begin...

the guy is obviously a troll, and he's been consistantly stirring up trouble
here for an eternity.. usually the stuff he does is direct attacks on the
regs, for no apparent reason.. cases in point: all the nazi stuff against
the original blue <<
http://x6.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=446151121&search=thread&CONTE
XT=924888695.187891732&HIT_CONTEXT=924888695.187891732&HIT_NUM=1&hitnum=5
>>, all of the stuff against phantom shadow <<
http://x5.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=462772666&search=thread&CONTE
XT=924889068.57868292&HIT_CONTEXT=924889068.57868292&HIT_NUM=105&hitnum=0
>>... the list goes on... i, personally am sick of it... but im glad i've
got a halfway descent killfile...
--
inpheaux skifyre {remove no-spam to email}
"i feel like more than just a number"
{site}[http://surf.to/inpheaux]
{icq}[1980144]{line 4/4}[end]





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From: "Karrde" <JDallape@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: repeat trolling
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LMN=> wrote in message <3747672d.8147491@kilkill.org>...
>What are your proof? These might be several people and
>you are too sensitive.
>
Your naivete is probably what got your computer infected with that virus in
the first place.  Probably don't even realize you have it, do you?





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From: pschleck@novia.net (Paul W. Schleck K3FU)
Subject: Web Archive of "Stupid People's Court"
Date: 1999/06/09
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(Newsgroups chosen from a DejaNews search of previous articles on the
subject.)

From the "Hacker's Test":
   
>   0504 Do you remember
>   0505 ... mod.ber?

>   0506 ... the Stupid People's Court?
                 ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^

>   0507 ... Bandy-grams?

I do!
   
I've put together an archive of this early, and quite prophetic, satire
of Usenet News and associated abuses of net-etiquette.  Although many
mid-1980's references are woven throughout, it's still very fresh and
approachable.  As far as I know, my archive is the most comprehensive,
publicly-accessible collection of SPC available on the net today.

The URL is:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/spc/

I've strived to make this archive as complete as possible, so I would be
grateful for copies of *any* missing articles from the series.

In addition to Judge Moriarty Wapner, thanks also go to the maintainers
of the following archives that helped contribute to this new,
comprehensive collection:

ftp://ftp.std.com/obi/DEC/humor/Stupid-Peoples-Court.Z
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/mjc/www/humor/spc.html
http://www.infinet.com/~dionisio/fun/SPC.html
http://www.nmt.edu/~schlake/humor/s/stupid.peoples.court

--
Paul W. Schleck
pschleck@novia.net
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger pschleck@novia.net for PGP Public Key



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From: Anonymous <nobody@replay.com>
Subject: Re: What's in Gary Burnore's Trash?
Date: 1999/06/15
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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:57:12 -0400, in article 
<37657AB8.BE397A24@email.unc.edu>, James Hepler <hepler@email.unc.edu> 
wrote:

>
>
>Anonymous wrote:
>
>>Over 3,000 miles away?  Who?  Where would that place him (in Canada
>>or Mexico?), whoever it is you're talking about?  And if it's me,
>>when do you intend to keep your "promise" to "make his life a living 
>>hell"?
>
>Seems like your life is already a living hell.  Such obsession must be 
>nerve-racking!
>
>>Since you claim to know who I am and where I live, what's
>>stopping you?
>
>The fact that you aren't worth the trouble, maybe?  Other than the
>satisfaction of holding captive here on tri.gen, I see no reason for
>acknowledging that you exist.
>
>>The same thing that stopped Gary Burnore from
>>publishing the supposed "evidence" that he claims vindicates him, as he 
>>promised to over a year ago?
>
>He needs no such thing, IMO.

>>Oh well, at least your having fun with your cat litter...
>
>As would you be, if only you lived close enough.

It's amazing that the he's even asking such a question. Who else but someone 
obsessed would care what is in his garbage?



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From: do.not.mail.me! <zwaaa@my-deja.com>
Subject: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/19
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Hello. after recieving a rather inventive spam (individual subscribed
me to a listbot and then put spam in the welcome message) I did the
appropriate header analysis, sleuthing, ect and traced it to
cmenterpriese.hypermart.net. His account was apparently cancelled.
Unfortunately one of the addy's I complained to was the contact person
for the business - who is also the spammer.

How can I handle this?, where can I go?. I could get his att account
cancelled today but this is a safety issue and I want to protect myself
so im holding off until I get all the info I can. - I am in the process
of contacting the RCMP since he is (apparently) a canadian citizen.
Hypermart will not release his information without a court action which
I find unusual for a business account (but appropriate for a personal
account). I have also attempted to contact several canadian
organizations but as of yet I havnt heard anything from them.

I recieved the following threat e-mail from him - my address has been
deleted

>>>>>>>>>>begin email 1
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From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
To: (deleted)
Subject: THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!!
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:52:44 -0700
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The e-mail i sent you is NOT SPAM!!! Your e-mail address was on my =
mailing list. Either you put it there or someone used your e-mail =
address. Either way it was put there by someone, and that someone is
not =
me!!  If my company is shut down becuase of you, i will hunt you =
down!!!!! This is a promise!!!!!



I also recieved the following e-mail beforehand attempting to somehow
justify tricking a listbot into spamming me.

>>>>>>begin email 2
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From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
To: (deleted), (other parties also deleted )
References: <001c01bed0ec$15aa63a0$39336fcc@notdisclosed>
Subject: Re: Abuse of services, abuse of this account
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I have not done anything wrong!!! The e-mail that you received is NOT =
SPAM!!! I have sent this e-mail to everyone who is signed up on my mail
=
list! This mail list is made up of people who have signed up with us
and =
who want to receive informatio about products from time to time!! =
Because you received this e-mail, it must mean that you are on this
list =
and have either signed up with us and forgot that you did or someone =
else has used your e-mail address in our mail list. If this is the
fact, =
we will remove your name right away!! Once again, THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!







any help is greatly appreciated - reply to this group AND to my
dejanews e-mail


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From: "Mark Harrison" <m3harri@microlink.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/19
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I think your best option would be to
1. Talk to your local law enforcement people for advice and to make them
aware of your issue. You want to be sure and bring all your info with you.
2. Talk to the law enforcement in HIS area for the same reason. He may have
a warrants or some thing pending against him and this would provide the cops
with an opportunity to take action.
3. Notify his ISP of his actions and ALL of your actions PAST,PRESENT, and
FUTURE including this NG posting. Also make it clear that you want follow up
information and you WILL post it as well. Invite them to share this
information with the PERP.
4. Send trackable letters to all the above requesting any follow up
information. Real mail that requires a signature seams to push buttons with
the big wheels.
5. Share any new information with all parties to start some peer presure.



 ***SNIPAGE***
> > Hello. after recieving a rather inventive spam (individual subscribed
> > me to a listbot and then put spam in the welcome message) I did the
> > appropriate header analysis, sleuthing, ect and traced it to
> > cmenterpriese.hypermart.net. His account was apparently cancelled.
****Snipage****





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From: Dustbuster <someone@discover.theshoppe.com>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
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Yes, I too received this spammer's garbage.  However, Hypermart does
not seem to care about spam.  I have asked them several times to kill
a known spammer from their systems and I received a very lame response
from them.  They wouldn't kill the spammer.

I truely believe that hypermart is SPAM-FRIENDLY.

Dustbuster



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Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
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Maybe they can live with a SPAM-FRIENDLY reputation but I doubt ANYONE could
live  with a reputation of a Harboring violent spamers. Spread the word !!!
RBL or UNDP anyone?

***^><Snip><^***
> I truely believe that hypermart is SPAM-FRIENDLY.
>
> Dustbuster





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yup....toast the lamer asshole

"do.not.mail.me!" wrote:

> Hello. after recieving a rather inventive spam (individual subscribed
> me to a listbot and then put spam in the welcome message) I did the
> appropriate header analysis, sleuthing, ect and traced it to
> cmenterpriese.hypermart.net. His account was apparently cancelled.
> Unfortunately one of the addy's I complained to was the contact person
> for the business - who is also the spammer.
>
> How can I handle this?, where can I go?. I could get his att account
> cancelled today but this is a safety issue and I want to protect myself
> so im holding off until I get all the info I can. - I am in the process
> of contacting the RCMP since he is (apparently) a canadian citizen.
> Hypermart will not release his information without a court action which
> I find unusual for a business account (but appropriate for a personal
> account). I have also attempted to contact several canadian
> organizations but as of yet I havnt heard anything from them.
>
> I recieved the following threat e-mail from him - my address has been
> deleted
>
> >>>>>>>>>>begin email 1
> Return-Path: <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
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> Message-ID: <004f01bed0fa$e75d37c0$02000003@217.77.82>
> From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
> To: (deleted)
> Subject: THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!!
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:52:44 -0700
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> The e-mail i sent you is NOT SPAM!!! Your e-mail address was on my =
> mailing list. Either you put it there or someone used your e-mail =
> address. Either way it was put there by someone, and that someone is
> not =
> me!!  If my company is shut down becuase of you, i will hunt you =
> down!!!!! This is a promise!!!!!
>
> I also recieved the following e-mail beforehand attempting to somehow
> justify tricking a listbot into spamming me.
>
> >>>>>>begin email 2
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> Message-ID: <001701bed0fa$78bce7c0$02000003@217.77.82>
> From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
> To: (deleted), (other parties also deleted )
> References: <001c01bed0ec$15aa63a0$39336fcc@notdisclosed>
> Subject: Re: Abuse of services, abuse of this account
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:49:37 -0700
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>
> I have not done anything wrong!!! The e-mail that you received is NOT =
> SPAM!!! I have sent this e-mail to everyone who is signed up on my mail
> =
> list! This mail list is made up of people who have signed up with us
> and =
> who want to receive informatio about products from time to time!! =
> Because you received this e-mail, it must mean that you are on this
> list =
> and have either signed up with us and forgot that you did or someone =
> else has used your e-mail address in our mail list. If this is the
> fact, =
> we will remove your name right away!! Once again, THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!
>
> any help is greatly appreciated - reply to this group AND to my
> dejanews e-mail
>
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Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/20
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I think Hypermart will bin spammers if they are in the free webspace account
but not if they are subscribers to both Hypermart and Internic from which
Hypermart make a bundle on commission. Its harder to trace a spammer to
Hypermart if their user has an Internic domain name and has had the
Hypermart banners removed from their site and I think they use this as an
excuse to ignore rampant spam artists

Dave
-------

A new use for viagra was discovered today. Retirement homes have been using
the drug to stop old men falling out of bed at night.





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From: Wayne Strang <wgstrang@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
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Dustbuster wrote:
> 
> Yes, I too received this spammer's garbage.  However, Hypermart does
> not seem to care about spam.  I have asked them several times to kill
> a known spammer from their systems and I received a very lame response
> from them.  They wouldn't kill the spammer.
> 
> I truely believe that hypermart is SPAM-FRIENDLY.
> 
Hmmmmmmmmmm...  I've only received a couple of HYPERMART spams and they killed
them both.  Well, I THINK they did.  They could've moved them, but at the very
least the spammed URL didn't work and there were no links to a new one.

			Moi



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From: olivaw@writeme.com (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/20
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In article <3793F7DD.5EECFA11@discover.theshoppe.com>, Dustbuster wrote:
>Yes, I too received this spammer's garbage.  However, Hypermart does
>not seem to care about spam.  I have asked them several times to kill
>a known spammer from their systems and I received a very lame response
>from them.  They wouldn't kill the spammer.
>
>I truely believe that hypermart is SPAM-FRIENDLY.

Every spam I've reported to abuse@hypermart.net has resulted in
a 404 page within 24 hours.

You have to give them complete, unedited headers.
I suspect a lot of abuse folks use this as a competency test;
if you can't return a spam with the white space in the headers
the way you received it (yes I know lines get unfolded and refolded,
but they remain RFC822-compliant) then your spam reports are
less reliable.

Recently, I have been replacing writeme.com with iname.com and
olivaw with certain names, in my spam reports, to protect this spamtrap
address, so I'm not really returning unedited headers.  I don't think the
exact Mail.com alias matters in a spam report.  Doesn't seem
to affect the response from responsible ISPs/NAPs.
Robot Daneel Olivaw is a detective in Asimov's robot stories.

Cameron





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From: Teddy Salad <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/21
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Check this out, the hornets nest has been stirred!  The battle has just
begun.


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why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
spam..
and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
kidding...try
me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/default.asp?rid=1013510656
----- Original Message -----From: <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
To: <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:11 AM

> Want to see the rantings of a retard?  Look below:>>>
> I have not done anything wrong!!! The e-mail that you received is NOT
=
SPAM!!! I have sent this e-mail to everyone who is signed up on my mail
=
> list! This mail list is made up of people who have signed up with us
and =
> who want to receive informatio about products from time to time!! =
Because you received this e-mail, it must mean that you are on this
list =
> and have either signed up with us and forgot that you did or someone =
else has used your e-mail address in our mail list. If this is the
fact, =
> we will remove your name right away!! Once again, THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!
>>
************************************************************************
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From: ereshkigal@rcn.com (Ereshkigal)
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/21
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In article <7n5anf$7bp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Teddy Salad wrote:
>why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
>spam..
>and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
>thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
>computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
>kidding...try
>me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
>
>

Shouldn't this be "Get Paid To Smurf The Internet!!!"?

Ereshkigal
EAM #3





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From: Teddy Salad <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
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Date: 1999/07/22
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The tension builds.  Round #2:


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From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
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what kind of a fuckin fag are you!!! And don't think you can get me
kicked
off once i do it cause i can use the librarys computer....expect your
isp's
server to crash within 24 hours....have fun!!!!
Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/default.asp?rid=1013510656
----- Original Message -----
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To: <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:33 PM
Subject: BS


> Ok, my Canadian bitch, lets see what you can do.
>
> Teddy Salad
> ( that's right..... cucumbers, tomatoes, radishes )
>



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Sic 'em!

Teddy Salad wrote:

> Check this out, the hornets nest has been stirred!  The battle has just
> begun.
>
> From cedricmeier@attcanada.net  Wed Jul 21 13:16:51 1999
> Received: from mailhost2.attcanada.net (mailhost2.attcanada.net
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> From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>To:
> <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
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>
> why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
> spam..
> and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
> thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
> computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
> kidding...try
> me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
> http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/default.asp?rid=1013510656
> ----- Original Message -----From: <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
> To: <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:11 AM
>
> > Want to see the rantings of a retard?  Look below:>>>
> > I have not done anything wrong!!! The e-mail that you received is NOT
> =
> SPAM!!! I have sent this e-mail to everyone who is signed up on my mail
> =
> > list! This mail list is made up of people who have signed up with us
> and =
> > who want to receive informatio about products from time to time!! =
> Because you received this e-mail, it must mean that you are on this
> list =
> > and have either signed up with us and forgot that you did or someone =
> else has used your e-mail address in our mail list. If this is the
> fact, =
> > we will remove your name right away!! Once again, THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!
> >>
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From: amurph@teleport.com (A!)
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/22
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On 21 Jul 1999 20:46:19 GMT in
<slrn7pcccq.ghc.ereshkigal@hmmm.colo.erols.net> ereshkigal@rcn.com
(Ereshkigal) wrote:

>In article <7n5anf$7bp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Teddy Salad wrote:
>>why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
>>spam..
>>and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
>>thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
>>computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
>>kidding...try
>>me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
>>
>
>Shouldn't this be "Get Paid To Smurf The Internet!!!"?
>
>Ereshkigal
>EAM #3

But that would by a SYN.

A!



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From: bonomi@ns2.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/22
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In article <3796b5e0.43202314@news.teleport.com>,
A! <amurph@teleport.com> wrote:
>On 21 Jul 1999 20:46:19 GMT in
><slrn7pcccq.ghc.ereshkigal@hmmm.colo.erols.net> ereshkigal@rcn.com
>(Ereshkigal) wrote:
>
>>In article <7n5anf$7bp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Teddy Salad wrote:
>>>why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
>>>spam..
>>>and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
>>>thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
>>>computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
>>>kidding...try
>>>me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
>>>
>>
>>Shouldn't this be "Get Paid To Smurf The Internet!!!"?
>>
>>Ereshkigal
>>EAM #3
>
>But that would by a SYN.

ACK!                 (*somebody* had to say it.)



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Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/22
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In article <37947617.13D0E03E@worldnet.att.net>,
  Wayne Strang <wgstrang@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Hmmmmmmmmmm...  I've only received a couple of HYPERMART spams and
> they killed them both.  Well, I THINK they did.  They could've moved
> them, but at the very least the spammed URL didn't work and there
> were no links to a new one.

I've reported several spammers to them within the past month.
One of them was axed (and I even received notification that
the account was deleted).  The other is still up (even after
several follow up messages, which included quotes from their
AUP about not tolerating SPAMm etc).

I'm guessing that it just all depends on which person reads the
abuse report, but I would be quick to label them as "Spam
Tolerant" based on their lack of action (despite their actions
on other spammers).

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From: icesnake@spambusters.warez.org (Morely Dotes)
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/22
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Forward that to abuse@attcanada.net and security@attcanada.net - ask them if 
they really want to have acustomer who threatens to commit denial-of-service 
attacks, and spread malicious programs aka computer viruses.

CC it to the RCMP.

In article <7n5anf$7bp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Teddy Salad <teddysalad@spamcop.net> 
wrote:
>
>Check this out, the hornets nest has been stirred!  The battle has just
>begun.
>
>
>From cedricmeier@attcanada.net  Wed Jul 21 13:16:51 1999
>Received: from mailhost2.attcanada.net (mailhost2.attcanada.net
>[206.191.82.43])
>        by sam.julianhaight.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA30025
>        for <teddysalad@spamcop.net>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:16:51 -0700
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>          Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:09:25 +0000
>Message-ID: <011a01bed3b6$263d1b00$02000003@217.77.82>
>From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>To:
><teddysalad@spamcop.net>
>References: <199907211511.IAA10056@sam.julianhaight.com>Subject: Re:
>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:12:15 -0700MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type:
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>
>
>why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
>spam..
>and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds of
>thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up your
>computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
>kidding...try
>me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
>http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/default.asp?rid=1013510656
>----- Original Message -----From: <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
>To: <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:11 AM
>
>> Want to see the rantings of a retard?  Look below:>>>
>> I have not done anything wrong!!! The e-mail that you received is NOT
>=
>SPAM!!! I have sent this e-mail to everyone who is signed up on my mail
>=
>> list! This mail list is made up of people who have signed up with us
>and =
>> who want to receive informatio about products from time to time!! =
>Because you received this e-mail, it must mean that you are on this
>list =
>> and have either signed up with us and forgot that you did or someone =
>else has used your e-mail address in our mail list. If this is the
>fact, =
>> we will remove your name right away!! Once again, THIS IS NOT SPAM!!!
>>>
>************************************************************************
>****
>
>
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From: "Mark Harrison" <m3harri@microlink.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/22
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I have an idea, I have used this method in the past with great results.
1. Report the site and hound the ISP daily for follow up info.
2. Pull as much contact info as you can from the page including ALL ads and
direct links.
3. Send all contacts a friendly reminder what has happened ( Write it as if
you are doing them a favor ).
3a State that the SPAMER is causing all involved grief, loss of money, and
potentially loss of reputation. That's what TOS are for any way, right?
3b State all violations that took place on behalf of WHAT EVER INC. In this
case all of the threats and related police info should be included
3c In addition to the above information send all advertisers and link host a
reminder that the spamer is generating artificial traffic to the original
page and also damning their reputation as well.
3d Ask politely to be kept informed.
3e Do NOT CC anyone.
4  Wait 24hrs but still hound the ISP
5  Regardless of what the ISP has done so far act on the information you
received so far. The idea is to form a reply that encompasses all inbound
information in one letter (This makes the lazy aware that others are working
this issue and best GIT off their Asses) DO!! CC it to everyone including
the offending ISP. ( Slur spamhauses slightly )
6 If the you are happy with results let them know if not make it known you
will escalate the issue for everyone benefit. After all the FTC, BBB,
Company VP, USPS, police Etc etc should have an opportunity to set things
strait.
7 Wait and escalated as needed.

Below is some of the contact info I dug up



( adverted)
Susan Weinstein
Vice President, Investor Relations
NextCard, Inc.
595 Market Street, Suite 1800
San Francisco, CA  94105
Phone: (415) 369-5633
investorrelations@nextcard.com

This is the spam removal page at GOTOWORLD page. I say try it.. It will only
damn them if they fail.
http://www.gotoworld.com/getpaid/AntiSpam2.asp?rid=1013510656

Another ad
Gus@languageforce.com

Self explanatory
techsupport@gotoworld.com



do.not.mail.me! <zwaaa@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7mvi74$vut$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hello. after recieving a rather inventive spam (individual subscribed
> me to a listbot and then put spam in the welcome message) I did the
> appropriate header analysis, sleuthing, ect and traced it to
> cmenterpriese.hypermart.net. His account was apparently cancelled.
> Unfortunately one of the addy's I complained to was the contact person
> for the business - who is also the spammer.
>
> How can I handle this?, where can I go?. I could get his att account
> cancelled today but this is a safety issue and I want to protect myself
> so im holding off until I get all the info I can. - I am in the process
> of contacting the RCMP since he is (apparently) a canadian citizen.
> Hypermart will not release his information without a court action which
> I find unusual for a business account (but appropriate for a personal
> account). I have also attempted to contact several canadian
> organizations but as of yet I havnt heard anything from them.
>
> I recieved the following threat e-mail from him - my address has been
*********SNIPED*************.





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From: Teddy Salad <teddy_salad@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/23
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What a disappointment!  Here is the cry baby's attempt at backing up
his threats:


Message-ID: <000801bed482$a9b4fbc0$02000003@217.77.82>
From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>
To: <abuse@spamcop.net>, <postmaster@spamcop.net>
Subject: E-Mail Bomb Report
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:42:05 -0700
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To whom it may concern,

I was recently E-Mail Bombed by: teddysalad@spamcop.net.
Please remove this person from your list and, if possible, file
charges against this person to ensure that this never happens again. My
=
ISP's server went down for 3 days because of this person!!!!

Thank You,


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From: Teddy Salad <teddysalad@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/23
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And we are supposed to believe that this kid is trying to run a
business?  This next one is a gem:



From: "Cedric Meier" <cedricmeier@attcanada.net>To:
<teddysalad@spamcop.net>
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Get a life you fuckin computer nerd!!!
I bet you spend  all your time in some closed room looking at your =
screen and jerking your 3 inch cock all day to pictures of your mom in =
the shower!!!


Teddy Salad
( that's right, cucumbers, tomatoes, radishes...... )


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In article <7n6l0l$2guh@enews4.newsguy.com>,
  bonomi@ns2.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <3796b5e0.43202314@news.teleport.com>,
> A! <amurph@teleport.com> wrote:
> >On 21 Jul 1999 20:46:19 GMT in
> ><slrn7pcccq.ghc.ereshkigal@hmmm.colo.erols.net> ereshkigal@rcn.com
> >(Ereshkigal) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <7n5anf$7bp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Teddy Salad wrote:
> >>>why do you keep sending me e-mails, i am still going to continue to
> >>>spam..
> >>>and if you don't stop sending my emails i'm gonna send you hundreds
of
> >>>thousands of e-mails and i've also got a program that can screw up
your
> >>>computer and clean out your hard drive...and if you think i'm
> >>>kidding...try
> >>>me!!!!Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!
> >>>
> >>
> >>Shouldn't this be "Get Paid To Smurf The Internet!!!"?
> >>
> >>Ereshkigal
> >>EAM #3
> >
> >But that would by a SYN.
>
> ACK!                 (*somebody* had to say it.)
>
Oh fsck, nother pun line to grep about!
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From: "Mark Harrison" <m3harri@microlink.net>
Subject: Re: Help!!!, spammer threatens violence - cmenterprises.hypermart.net
Date: 1999/07/25
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So Teddy do you have any new information on this issue?




Teddy Salad <teddysalad@spamcop.net> > what kind of a fuckin fag are you!!!
And don't think you can get me
> kicked
> off once i do it cause i can use the librarys computer....expect your
> isp's
> server to crash within 24 hours....have fun!!!!
> Get Paid To Surf The Internet!!! 100% FREE!!!






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He did exactly what I expected..........nothing.   He did some more crying
via email and ran home with his tail between his legs.

Teddy Salad







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From: Sir Frederick <mmcneill@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: how i finally killfiled sordo completely.
Date: 1999/08/08
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" " wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:30:46 -0700, Sir Frederick
> <mmcneill@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Arthur Wouk, awouk@nilenet.com,  wrote:
> >
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> well, as you all know. sordo has been an annoyance on the newsgroup
> >> for quite some time, so i started in by killfiling anything with the
> >>
> >>                 From: sordo
> >>
> >> line in it.
> >>
> >> after a while, lots of people were doing that, so sordo went on to
> >> changing his From: line to something like
> >>
> >>                 From: !
> >>
> >> and similar things. at this point i started complaing to his ISP,
> >> mindspring, about his actions which i believe are in violation of
> >> their terms of service (TOS). nothing happened.
> >>
> >> shortly thereafter sordo started putting the following From: line
> >>
> >>                 From:
> >>
> >> none of the tools available to me worked on this. in the body of the
> >> message he always included at first
> >>
> >>                 sordo
> >> and later
> >>
> >>                 'ordo
> >>
> >> now searching the body of every post to the ng is timeconsuming, and i
> >> didn't want to do this. i complained to mindspring, for quite some
> >> time, and received canned messages and no response. i told then what i
> >> would do next, and i have done it. it works. it may be possible with
> >> your newsreaders as well.
> >>
> >> mindspring does enforce one rule: any post from mindspring.com must
> >> contain a line of the form
> >>
> >>                 Message-ID: NNNNNNN
> >>
> >> where NNNN is their identification number. so i now killfile all
> >> messages originating from mindspring. should sordo go to another ISP
> >> to hide his identity, it will be trivial to get them to deal with him.
> >> mindspring seems beyond redemption.
> >> --
> >> "Heaven always bears some proportion to earth. The god of the cannibal
> >> will be a cannibal, of the crusades a crusader, and of the merchants a
> >> merchant." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson, 'The Conduct of Life'
> >>         to send me email, remove 'syzygy.' from my address
> >
> >I on the other hand appreciate sordo and invite him to post his resources
> >with no limit here.
>
> Why thank you Sir Fred. If the sniveling whiners don't want to read my
> posts, they can simply skip on by them. If they can't manipulate their
> software, they should RTFM.
>
> Since the cross posting precedent has been set by the whiners, I'll be
> sure to use it too.
>
> sordo

It would be helpful to my values if you did not cross post. A local thread that
is supported by the originator is most contributive. Cross posting leads to
mixing clientel and misunderstanding and no local support.
Thanks.
--
f. martin mcneill        Web : http://www.fuzzysys.com
Gen. Mike Jackson, the British commander on the ground in Kosovo, told
Clark, "I'm not going to start World War III for you."





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steve@uxn.com (Steve Linford) wrote:

>Sadly for Andy Brunner, 

The time has come when we legitimate business men have finally tired
of your harassment. We will no longer tolerate our business interests
being attacked for your pleasure. From today, a series of network
attacks will take place at YOUR sites. We are going to put you out of
business by any means possible.

Prepare yourselves.




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From: Sapient Fridge <sapient.fridge@sengir.demon.co.uk>
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In article <199909042129.XAA10913@mail.replay.com>, Anonymous
<nobody@replay.com> writes

The ethikal bisnesman speaks:

>being attacked for your pleasure. From today, a series of network
>attacks will take place at YOUR sites. We are going to put you out of
>business by any means possible.

Hi Paul.  Getting a bit shy at signing your posts are you?

>Prepare yourselves.

We have been prepared for some time.  Thanks for your take-action 
warning.  The advance notice was appreciated.  What happened to 
your 24 hour call to action timeframe?  Nothing happened.
-- 
sapient.fridge@sengir.demon.co.uk * ICQ #17887309  * Save the net   *
Grok: http://www.cauce.org http://www.spamfree.org * kill a spammer *
Find: http://www.samspade.org http://www.netdemon.net *    today    *
Kill: http://www.sengir.demon.co.uk/spam_sites.html   *             *



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From: Spambags@are.cockroaches.com (Deil Bland)
Subject: Re: Spammers threatening with denial of service
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In article <199909042129.XAA10913@mail.replay.com>,
Anonymous  <nobody@replay.com> wrote:

>steve@uxn.com (Steve Linford) wrote:

>>Sadly for Andy Brunner, 

>The time has come when we legitimate business men have finally tired
>of your harassment. We will no longer tolerate our business interests
>being attacked for your pleasure. From today, a series of network
>attacks will take place at YOUR sites. We are going to put you out of
>business by any means possible.

>Prepare yourselves.

I wonder who is PO'ed about a recent RBL listing?

--

Deil "The Jackal" Bland  |428 confirmed kills    
dbland(at)crl(dot)com    |So Many Spambags,                  
Alleged Net Terrorist    |So little time!
   (http://www.crl.com/~dbland/zitoya )



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> The time has come when we legitimate business men have finally tired
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> being attacked for your pleasure. From today, a series of network
> attacks will take place at YOUR sites. We are going to put you out of
> business by any means possible.
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> Prepare yourselves.

Ok, I'm here.

Today's been a rather boring day, actually.

Come on, mailbomb me.  Do something, to break up the boredom.

<< Yawn >>

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In article <199909042129.XAA10913@mail.replay.com>, nobody@replay.com says...
>
>steve@uxn.com (Steve Linford) wrote:
>
>>Sadly for Andy Brunner, 
>
>The time has come when we legitimate business men have finally tired
>of your harassment. We will no longer tolerate our business interests
>being attacked for your pleasure. From today, a series of network
>attacks will take place at YOUR sites. We are going to put you out of
>business by any means possible.
>
>Prepare yourselves.
>

Yes, we anonymous legitimut biznismen are putting our names on the line in our 
demands for free speach!!!





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"Sam" <sam@email-scan.webcircle.com> wrote:

>Come on, mailbomb me.

Thanks for the invitation. Sit tight and hold on to something.




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> Thanks for the invitation. Sit tight and hold on to something.
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I've been sitting here all day.

<<YAWN>>


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In <courier.37D32B97.00000FDB@email-scan.webcircle.com>,
   Sam <sam@email-scan.webcircle.com> wrote:
:In article <199909060142.DAA06512@mail.replay.com>,
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:> Thanks for the invitation. Sit tight and hold on to something.
:
:I've been sitting here all day.

If you get hit on the head by falling pig excrement, then you might worry.

	/J

-- 
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roney@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk (Neale Grant) wrote:

> [news.admin.net-abuse removed, because it was silly]

Added again because its apropriate to this subtopic.

> Breaking the eerie silence on Usenet, Khan wrote:
> 
> >Any admin can pick up the any, none or all of the alt hierarchy, Just because
> >they pick up alt.sci.seti doesn't mean they have to pick up the awhole
> >alt.binaries hierarchy. They don't have to vcary the whole of thre big 8
> >either.
> 
> Big-8 groups are, on the whole, picked up instantly and propagated
> instantly around the globe.  Alt groups have to be fought for locally and
> their existence told of by other means.  If SETI should have a usenet
> home, the big-8 is the place that it will find most readers.

As I underdstand it though, the opposite is just as true. Newsadmnins are just
as free to not include any of the big 8 they choose, and can add any of the
alt groups they wish to. 
 
> >rules, and that they seem pretty stupid to me. If the rules had allowed for
> >some kind of fasttrack, we would have had sci.astro.seti in may and not even
> >having this discussion.
> 
> Unless uk.net.* made up the fast-tracking process itself (and it seems to
> take everything else from news.*), fast-tracking is possible.  But it is
> designed *not* to be able to stifle discussion.  A single gainsayer can
> derail it.

Its just an opinion, but discussing a newsgroups creation fo six months seems
rediculous. 
 
> >Are you telling me that anyone who is favor of the newgroup can pass the
> >ballot arround and only the proposer can't. Or that those that are in favor of
> >the group can't do it? Please explain? 
> 
> On the net, nothing is impossible.  You can undoubtedly campaign through
> unfair channels without being detected.  And you can undoubtedly sabotage
> through unfair channels without being detected.  What the rules prohibit,
> as with laws in real country, is unfair play that *has* been detected.
> Simple.

If I put the ballot out it would be silly to do it secretly, Although in this
case I am told I have to find someone that is in favor of the news group. I
have family members that believe this this is a good idea. and they will
gladly post the ballot.
 
> >I don't give a shit who is watching me.. Any thing I do or plan to do is, and
> >has been out the open. I thought I have been very clear that I intend to go by
> >the rules, and use those rules to my advantage if thats what it takes.
> 
> The more open you are about cheating, the more likely you are to get
> caught.


Cheating? I have been very clear about trying to follow the rules. I have been
very open about getting clarifications on the rules. 
 
> Brian Mailman <bmailman@sfo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> 1.  Nobody is "stealing" anything.  a.s.s. will continue its existance. 
> >> Many people do -not- migrate automatically.  You don't wish to read a
> >> Big 8 group, then don't.  Simple as that.
> 
> >That positively silly. Of course some will migrate and some won't. it will
> 
> And if both newsgroups end up pleasant places, the people who like this
> place will continue to subscribe to both.  Nobody is restricted to one
> SETI newsgroup.

And if the existing group splits the people up. The one good group will result
in two more garbage groups for USEnet. 

> >fragment what is one of the nicest newsgroups on the net. There have been
> 
> Experience suggests that excessive growth for a newsgroup is bad for the
> atmosphere.  If the alt.*.seti group is such a nice counter-culture place,
> then it will continue to be so when the big-8 fans migrate to sci.*.seti.
> If SETI (or setiathome) itself brought people together, then sci.*.seti
> will be a greate place to hang out and alt.*.seti can draw the spam.
> 
> Either way, the majority wins.

No! 2 groups is not always better than one! Following your logic every group
that is doing welll should be split up.
 
> Unless interest in SETI (via setiathome) declines, in which case
> experience suggests that the alt.* group will get it in the neck.
> 
> Please, someone name me an alt group that has a larger active community
> than an equivalent one on the big-8.  Because right now I don't believe
> such an entity exists (after five years' and several dozen (I know, out of 
> almost 100k) newsgroups' experience).  Big-8 status is good.  Alt groups
> suit low traffic subjects and flame wars.

THe biggest glaring group is the alt.sex.* community despite its flair for a
spam trap, its bigger than any hierachy in the big 8 .. the alt.comp groups
are and pgp related groups are equivilent in size in their respective topics

 
> >> 2.  News.groups is not like alt.config.  Just saying "this is a great
> >> idea, give us a group" doesn't work.  The rules are there for reasons.
> 
> >The rules are pretty stupid. They are to slow, and and result in duplication
> 
> The rules have served many groups very well.  I can't be bothered writing
> the script to prove it, but I'd wager large sums of money that there are
> more empty groups in alt.* than in the big-8.  A good charter and proper
> justification can't hurt a group.
> 
> >of alt.groups. Even the rule that allows only one person to corupt a vote is
> >pretty stupid..  We will find out well adherence to the rules matter when I
> >distribute the ballot 
> 
> Good man.  For the sake of a heavily spammed, heavily spam-filtered, and
> badly-propagated newsgroup that you have become comfortable with, you will
> deny the rest of us a group that has no visible disadvantages other than
> being not the alt.* group.  I applaud your vision.
> 
> >PGP Server:pgpkeys.mit.edu    :That is what I charge and that is
> >http://www.phoenix.net/~khan  :what they are worth.
> 
> You said it.  If you charged as much as a penny, I wouldn't pay.
> 
> On second thoughts, it does cost me money to download his opinions.  The
> killfile beckons.
> 
> Neale

-- 
    Khan ...

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 Khan   <khan@phoenix.net> wrote:
>roney@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk (Neale Grant) wrote:
>
>> [news.admin.net-abuse removed, because it was silly]
>
>Added again because its apropriate to this subtopic.

<shrug> OK.  It's a bogus group, so not many people will see these
postings there anyway.  (Look at the regular "checkgroups" message posted
in news.announce.newgroups.)

-- 
Jon Bell <jtbell@presby.edu>                        Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science        Clinton, South Carolina USA
        [     Information about newsgroups for beginners:     ]            
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Charlie Dick <dspecht@databasix.com> wrote:

> >Phony "spam bait" then, ...

Nice snippage ... you can't even deal with it in context.
 
> "Phony spam bait" my ass.  
> 
> I have mostly been an observer of this whole controversy over anon
> remailers since the ix vs. shell flame wars in netcom.general.  I
> watched as a huge controversy raged between the clueful of the Zoo and
> the turds from the news.admin groups.  
> 
> The spam that I received, for the sole reason that I also held a
> DataBasix account, was real.  The baiting was real.  And the clueful
> in the news.admin crowd know that the probability that Ron Guillemette
> did it approaches 1.

Just as the probability that Gary Lee Burnore molested a child in
Santa Clara, CA, for which he was arrested and convicted in 1997,
"apprpaches 1".

The DataBasix crowd repeats their old, tired, obsessive accusations
about Ron Guilmette without providing any proof.  When a judge
pronounces him guilty of anything, let us know.

The "spam bait" was all too convenient, coming right at the time
when Gary Burnore was trying to convince remailer operator Jeff
Burchell to release the identity of the anonymous whistleblower who
got him arrested.  The attempt was to make it look like all of this
manufactured designer abuse "spam bait" came from the same person
who reported Gary Burnore to his victim's mother and school
officials, so as to vilify him and make him seem worthy of having
his/her privacy violated.





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Ronald Guilmette  <nobody@replay.com> wrote:

<S.O.S>

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Date: 1999/09/30
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In article <MPG.125d71b7d5ed3242989af3@news.alt.net>, terra@texas.net wrote:
>** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
>
>From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
>To: The Usenet Community
>
>Date: 01-OCT-99
>
>Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
>
>Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
>
>The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a 
>continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered 
>useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic 
>and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this is 
>that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several 
>individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information 
>about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at, 
>ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and 
>"flaming".
>
>The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.  
>Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to 
>one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled, 
>ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the 
>newsgroup.
>
>We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance have 
>FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is further 
>decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of the 
>newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY 
>content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup 
>Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain 
>ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to 
>poppies being on patrol.
>
>The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in 
>propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these 
>newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for 
>volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one 
>individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of 
>thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for 
>themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional 
>system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for 
>everyone.
>
>Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
>
>Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological 
>means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is a 
>"Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet 
>Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and 
>every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a 
>stringent set of requirements.
>
>First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a 
>written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
>
>Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the 
>Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive action 
>may occur.
>
>Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal colony 
>of New Zealand,

No good. Too much comfort in those lands.
Siberia is MUCH better.

> Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial 
>restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
>
>We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the welfare 
>of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear, 
>enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of 
>ideas.
>
>Thank you,
>
>The International Council for Usenet Affairs



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Gee, Wally, shouldn't we have posted to all 79,000 newsgroups. I only
count 5.

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In article <KVOI3.697$BD2.163471@news.wenet.net>, Bloxy's@hotmail.com (Bloxy's) 
babbled on and on:



  Funny, I think this is almost word for word what Clinton/Algore want to do....


>In article <MPG.125d71b7d5ed3242989af3@news.alt.net>, terra@texas.net wrote:
>>** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
>>
>>From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
>>To: The Usenet Community
>>
>>Date: 01-OCT-99
>>
>>Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
>>
>>Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
>>
>>The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a 
>>continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered 
>>useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic 
>>and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this is 
>>that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several 
>>individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information 
>>about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at, 
>>ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and 
>>"flaming".
>>
>>The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.  
>>Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to 
>>one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled, 
>>ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the 
>>newsgroup.
>>
>>We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance have 
>>FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is further 
>>decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of the 
>>newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY 
>>content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup 
>>Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain 
>>ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to 
>>poppies being on patrol.
>>
>>The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in 
>>propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these 
>>newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for 
>>volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one 
>>individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of 
>>thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for 
>>themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional 
>>system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for 
>>everyone.
>>
>>Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
>>
>>Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological 
>>means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is a 
>>"Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet 
>>Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and 
>>every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a 
>>stringent set of requirements.
>>
>>First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a 
>>written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
>>
>>Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the 
>>Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive action 
>>may occur.
>>
>>Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal colony 
>>of New Zealand,
>
>No good. Too much comfort in those lands.
>Siberia is MUCH better.
>
>> Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial 
>>restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
>>
>>We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the welfare 
>>of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear, 
>>enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of 
>>ideas.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>The International Council for Usenet Affairs




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Bloxy's wrote:

> In article <MPG.125d71b7d5ed3242989af3@news.alt.net>, terra@texas.net wrote:
> >** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> >
> >From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> >To: The Usenet Community
> >
> >Date: 01-OCT-99
> >
> >Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> >
> >Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> >
> >The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
> >continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> >useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic
> >and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this is
> >that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
> >individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> >about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
> >ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> >"flaming".
> >
> >The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> >Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to
> >one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> >ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> >newsgroup.
> >
> >We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance have
> >FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is further
> >decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of the
> >newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> >content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> >Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
> >ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to
> >poppies being on patrol.
> >
> >The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> >propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> >newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> >volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> >individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> >thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> >themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
> >system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> >everyone.
> >
> >Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
> >
> >Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological
> >means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is a
> >"Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet
> >Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and
> >every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a
> >stringent set of requirements.
> >
> >First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> >written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> >
> >Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the
> >Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive action
> >may occur.
> >
> >Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal colony
> >of New Zealand,
>
> No good. Too much comfort in those lands.
> Siberia is MUCH better.
>

For real punishment, try Louisiana.

>
> > Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial
> >restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> >
> >We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the welfare
> >of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> >enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of
> >ideas.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >The International Council for Usenet Affairs

--
> two-line response, 26-line .sig.
> Think you could maybe do something about this?
>
> Lara "four-line sig would be nice" Hopkins

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On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:04:28 -0500, Hugh Downs Syndrome
<gortician669SPAMHEAD@yahoo.com>, in <37F3D05C.6637837C@yahoo.com>
wrote:

+ For real punishment, try Louisiana.

Hmmm...cajun cooking, beneits, gator-on-a-stick and cayenne pepper.
Ummmm...yessss...

James

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In article <KVOI3.697$BD2.163471@news.wenet.net>,
  Bloxy's@hotmail.com (Bloxy's) wrote:
> In article <MPG.125d71b7d5ed3242989af3@news.alt.net>, terra@texas.net
wrote:
> >** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> >
> >From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> >To: The Usenet Community
> >
> >Date: 01-OCT-99
> >
> >Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> >
> >Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> >
> >The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been
a
> >continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> >useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-
topic
> >and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of
this is
> >that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently,
several
> >individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> >about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed
at,
> >ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> >"flaming".
> >
> >The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> >Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed
to
> >one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> >ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> >newsgroup.
> >
> >We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance
have
> >FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is
further
> >decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name
of the
> >newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> >content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> >Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall
contain
> >ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards
to
> >poppies being on patrol.
> >
> >The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> >propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> >newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> >volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> >individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> >thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> >themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and
functional
> >system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> >everyone.
> >
> >Individuals interested in applying may send emails to:
terra@texas.net
> >
> >Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering
technological
> >means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration
is a
> >"Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of
Usenet
> >Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of
each and
> >every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who
pass a
> >stringent set of requirements.
> >
> >First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> >written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> >
> >Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and
the
> >Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive
action
> >may occur.
> >
> >Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal
colony
> >of New Zealand,
>
> No good. Too much comfort in those lands.
> Siberia is MUCH better.
>
> > Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial
> >restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> >
> >We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the
welfare
> >of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> >enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange
of
> >ideas.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >The International Council for Usenet Affairs
>
A good troll, if only you could spell. Otherwise, D-.
--
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In article <7t0j4a$mss$2@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  hyt8448@jetson.uh.edu (John tt) wrote:
>
>
> In article <KVOI3.697$BD2.163471@news.wenet.net>, Bloxy's@hotmail.com
(Bloxy's)
> babbled on and on:
>
>   Funny, I think this is almost word for word what Clinton/Algore
want to do....
Who the hell is Algore? I don't remember her running..........
> >
snip
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International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
> 
> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> 
> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> To: The Usenet Community
> 
> Date: 01-OCT-99
> 
> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> 
> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> 
> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic
> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this is
> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> "flaming".
> 
> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to
> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> newsgroup.
> 
> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance have
> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is further
> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of the
> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to
> poppies being on patrol.
> 
> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> everyone.
> 
> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
> 
> Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological
> means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is a
> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet
> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and
> every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a
> stringent set of requirements.
> 
> First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> 
> Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the
> Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive action
> may occur.
> 
> Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal colony
> of New Zealand, Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial
> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> 
> We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the welfare
> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of
> ideas.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> The International Council for Usenet Affairs

Can we get cheese with that?  

-- 
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This article is in severe violation of regulatory initiative
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In article <MPG.125d71b7d5ed3242989af3@news.alt.net>,
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[etc.]

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Martyr: Meir Kahane

In between belching cloven-hooves,  buckey <look@thepost.com> enscribed:

#Gee, Wally, shouldn't we have posted to all 79,000 newsgroups. I only
#count 5.

Newsgroup lines can only contain one kilobyte of data.  79,000 groups
would be impossible unless the NNTP transport systems were to
be modernized to 1990's standards from the present vintage 1980's.




--

Stephen Guy Polis <guy@panix.com> confessed the following to usenet
on 4 May 1998 02:57:07 GMT in article <6ijaq3$bb1@news1.panix.com>:

#   Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, eviljay@bway.net) is a pedophile child
#   molester who was fired from his consulting position at Salomon Brothers
#   after he was caught masturbating in his cubicle at the child pornography
#   JPEGs that he downloaded from the Internet.


For holocaust information visit http://www.nikzor.org

For information of post diaspora Jewish history
visit http://www.khazaria.com

For information on the next threatened destruction 
of Israel visit http://www.hebron.com

James Driscoll Jr. (spaceman@realspaceman.com) 
achieves self-realization in article 
<OZ$nt4Wz#GA.334@cpmsnbbsa03> and wrote:
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Do not try and bend the Per. That's impossible. Only try to realize
the truth.
What truth?
There is no Per.

�International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
�> 
�> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
�> 
�> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
�> To: The Usenet Community
�> 
�> Date: 01-OCT-99
�> 
�> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
�> 
�> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
�> 
�> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
�> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
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�> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
�> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
�> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
�> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
�> "flaming".
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�> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
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�> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
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�> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
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�> everyone.
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�> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
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�> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and
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�> Thank you,
�> 
�> The International Council for Usenet Affairs
�
�Can we get cheese with that?  

Henceforth, cheese will only be available in alt.cheese.

HTH, HAND,
-- 
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Somebody wrote in message <4ZDJ3.5131$Od.21106@news.rdc1.il.home.com>...
>Do not try and bend the Per. That's impossible. Only try to realize
>the truth.
>What truth?
>There is no Per.
>
>�International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
>�>
>�> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
>�>
>�> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
>�> To: The Usenet Community
>�>
>�> Date: 01-OCT-99
>�>
>�> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
>�>
>�> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
>�>
>�> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
>�> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
>�> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic
>�> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this
is
>�> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
>�> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
>�> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
>�> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
>�> "flaming".
>�>
>�> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
>�> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to
>�> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
>�> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
>�> newsgroup.
>�>
>�> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance
have
>�> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is
further
>�> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of
the
>�> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
>�> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
>�> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
>�> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to
>�> poppies being on patrol.
>�>
>�> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
>�> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
>�> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
>�> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
>�> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
>�> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
>�> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
>�> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
>�> everyone.
>�>
>�> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
>�>
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>�> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet
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>�>
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financial
>�> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
>�>
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welfare
>�> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
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>�> ideas.
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>�> The International Council for Usenet Affairs
>�
>�Can we get cheese with that?
>
>Henceforth, cheese will only be available in alt.cheese.
>
>HTH, HAND,

what hace all tihs crap got to
do weth news.admin.net-abues.mewo

loev

teh robei

>--
>Somebody mhm 17x2x23x13        http://toast.micronetix.net
>
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Do not try and bend the Rabbi Ernst Zundel. That's impossible. Only
try to realize the truth.
What truth?
There is no Rabbi Ernst Zundel.

�In between belching cloven-hooves,  buckey <look@thepost.com> enscribed:
�
�#Gee, Wally, shouldn't we have posted to all 79,000 newsgroups. I only
�#count 5.
�
�Newsgroup lines can only contain one kilobyte of data.  79,000 groups
�would be impossible unless the NNTP transport systems were to
�be modernized to 1990's standards from the present vintage 1980's.

Actually, that's 512 bytes of data.  Half a kilobyte.  3.5 kilobits.

-- 
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International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
> 
> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> 
> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> To: The Usenet Community
> 
> Date: 01-OCT-99
> 
> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> 
> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> 
> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic
> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this is
> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> "flaming".
> 
> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to
> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> newsgroup.
> 
> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance have
> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is further
> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of the
> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to
> poppies being on patrol.
> 
> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> everyone.
> 
> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
> 
> Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological
> means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is a
> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet
> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each and
> every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a
> stringent set of requirements.
> 
> First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> 
> Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the
> Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive action
> may occur.
> 
> Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal colony
> of New Zealand, Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and financial
> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> 
> We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the welfare
> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of
> ideas.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> The International Council for Usenet Affairs

Since everyone posting here has a nose, and Karl Malden had a nose (he's
dead now, so his nose is probably decomposed), and all those noses had
two nostrils, then anything they post is acceptable and on-topic to
afkmn.  By this logic then ,anything posted to any newsgroup by a person
possessed of twin nostrils is therefore on-topic.  Everyone agree with
this?



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robby rat wrote:
> 
> Somebody wrote in message <4ZDJ3.5131$Od.21106@news.rdc1.il.home.com>...
> >Do not try and bend the Per. That's impossible. Only try to realize
> >the truth.
> >What truth?
> >There is no Per.
> >
> >�International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
> >�>
> >�> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> >�>
> >�> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> >�> To: The Usenet Community
> >�>
> >�> Date: 01-OCT-99
> >�>
> >�> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> >�>
> >�> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> >�>
> >�> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
> >�> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> >�> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all on-topic
> >�> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of this
> is
> >�> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently, several
> >�> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> >�> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed at,
> >�> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> >�> "flaming".
> >�>
> >�> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> >�> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed to
> >�> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> >�> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> >�> newsgroup.
> >�>
> >�> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance
> have
> >�> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is
> further
> >�> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of
> the
> >�> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> >�> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> >�> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
> >�> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards to
> >�> poppies being on patrol.
> >�>
> >�> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> >�> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> >�> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> >�> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> >�> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> >�> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> >�> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
> >�> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> >�> everyone.
> >�>
> >�> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to: terra@texas.net
> >�>
> >�> Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering technological
> >�> means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration is
> a
> >�> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of Usenet
> >�> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each
> and
> >�> every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass a
> >�> stringent set of requirements.
> >�>
> >�> First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> >�> written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> >�>
> >�> Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and the
> >�> Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive
> action
> >�> may occur.
> >�>
> >�> Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal
> colony
> >�> of New Zealand, Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and
> financial
> >�> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> >�>
> >�> We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the
> welfare
> >�> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> >�> enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange of
> >�> ideas.
> >�>
> >�> Thank you,
> >�>
> >�> The International Council for Usenet Affairs
> >�
> >�Can we get cheese with that?
> >
> >Henceforth, cheese will only be available in alt.cheese.
> >
> >HTH, HAND,
> 
> what hace all tihs crap got to
> do weth news.admin.net-abues.mewo

i dot'n konw!  

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Theophilos Digby Xenu Ming-Smythe wrote in message
<37F8F7D5.A7A5D2B0@email.com>...
>robby rat wrote:
>>
>> Somebody wrote in message <4ZDJ3.5131$Od.21106@news.rdc1.il.home.com>...
>> >Do not try and bend the Per. That's impossible. Only try to realize
>> >the truth.
>> >What truth?
>> >There is no Per.
>> >
>> >�International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
>> >�>
>> >�> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
>> >�>
>> >�> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
>> >�> To: The Usenet Community
>> >�>
>> >�> Date: 01-OCT-99
>> >�>
>> >�> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
>> >�>
>> >�> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
>> >�>
>> >�> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
>> >�> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
>> >�> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all
on-topic
>> >�> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of
this
>> is
>> >�> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently,
several
>> >�> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
>> >�> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed
at,
>> >�> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
>> >�> "flaming".
>> >�>
>> >�> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
>> >�> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed
to
>> >�> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
>> >�> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
>> >�> newsgroup.
>> >�>
>> >�> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance
>> have
>> >�> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is
>> further
>> >�> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of
>> the
>> >�> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
>> >�> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
>> >�> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
>> >�> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards
to
>> >�> poppies being on patrol.
>> >�>
>> >�> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
>> >�> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
>> >�> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
>> >�> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
>> >�> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
>> >�> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
>> >�> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
>> >�> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
>> >�> everyone.
>> >�>
>> >�> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to:
terra@texas.net
>> >�>
>> >�> Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering
technological
>> >�> means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration
is
>> a
>> >�> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of
Usenet
>> >�> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each
>> and
>> >�> every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass
a
>> >�> stringent set of requirements.
>> >�>
>> >�> First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
>> >�> written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
>> >�>
>> >�> Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and
the
>> >�> Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive
>> action
>> >�> may occur.
>> >�>
>> >�> Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal
>> colony
>> >�> of New Zealand, Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and
>> financial
>> >�> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
>> >�>
>> >�> We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the
>> welfare
>> >�> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
>> >�> enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange
of
>> >�> ideas.
>> >�>
>> >�> Thank you,
>> >�>
>> >�> The International Council for Usenet Affairs
>> >�
>> >�Can we get cheese with that?
>> >
>> >Henceforth, cheese will only be available in alt.cheese.
>> >
>> >HTH, HAND,
>>
>> what hace all tihs crap got to
>> do weth news.admin.net-abues.mewo
>
>i dot'n konw!


tish is unheaerdof

in taht case would yuo
liek a griled cheesse saemwich

loev

tejh robie

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robby rat wrote:
> 
> Theophilos Digby Xenu Ming-Smythe wrote in message
> <37F8F7D5.A7A5D2B0@email.com>...
> >robby rat wrote:
> >>
> >> Somebody wrote in message <4ZDJ3.5131$Od.21106@news.rdc1.il.home.com>...
> >> >Do not try and bend the Per. That's impossible. Only try to realize
> >> >the truth.
> >> >What truth?
> >> >There is no Per.
> >> >
> >> >�International Council for Usenet Affairs wrote:
> >> >�>
> >> >�> ** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE **
> >> >�>
> >> >�> From: The International Council for Usenet Affairs, Geneva
> >> >�> To: The Usenet Community
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Date: 01-OCT-99
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Re: Regulatory initiative A991001.040
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Attention all Usenet inhabitants:
> >> >�>
> >> >�> The problem of off-topic posts in newsgroups across Usenet has been a
> >> >�> continually growing problem.  Newsgroup after newsgroup are rendered
> >> >�> useless as the off-topic banter reaches such a level that all
> on-topic
> >> >�> and relevant material is lost in the flood.  A perfect example of
> this
> >> is
> >> >�> that once-noble newsgroup alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.  Recently,
> several
> >> >�> individuals have posted meek attempts at requesting more information
> >> >�> about Karl Malden and his nose, but their requests have been laughed
> at,
> >> >�> ignored, and quickly lost in the constant flood of "meowing" and
> >> >�> "flaming".
> >> >�>
> >> >�> The ICUA has hereby deemed that this behavior must stop completely.
> >> >�> Therefore, the Council has decreed that each newsgroup be appointed
> to
> >> >�> one "Usenet Commissar" (NetCommissar for short) -- a highly skilled,
> >> >�> ethical, and supreme judge as to proper "on-topic" traffic for the
> >> >�> newsgroup.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> We realize that only a small fraction of the newsgroups in existance
> >> have
> >> >�> FAQ's or charters governing acceptable content.  Therefore, it is
> >> further
> >> >�> decreed that "on-topic" content shall be judged solely on the name of
> >> the
> >> >�> newsgroup.  For example: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose shall contain ONLY
> >> >�> content specific to Karl Malden's nose. The Newsgroup
> >> >�> Alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol shall contain
> >> >�> ONLY posts which are relevant to pop music eating itself in regards
> to
> >> >�> poppies being on patrol.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> The ICUA realizes there are over 79,000 newsgroups currently in
> >> >�> propagation and to find a suitable NetCommissar for each of these
> >> >�> newsgroups is a daunting task.  To these ends, we will advertise for
> >> >�> volunteers who wish to command specific groups.  If more than one
> >> >�> individual volunteers for a particular newsgroup, the inhabitants of
> >> >�> thee newsgroup will have an opportunity to vote and choose for
> >> >�> themselves.  We believe this will be a very democratic and functional
> >> >�> system and ensure that Usenet stays enjoyable and meaningful for
> >> >�> everyone.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Individuals interested in applying may send emails to:
> terra@texas.net
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Since Usenet is currently unenforcable, we are considering
> technological
> >> >�> means at crowd control.  The first and main item under consideration
> is
> >> a
> >> >�> "Posting Permit" which will be issued by the People's Council of
> Usenet
> >> >�> Ethics.  The PCUE will do a detailed background investigation of each
> >> and
> >> >�> every applicant and only award posting certificates to those who pass
> a
> >> >�> stringent set of requirements.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> First violation of posting off-topic to a newsgroup will result in a
> >> >�> written warning along with cancellation of the offending material.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Second violation will result in investigative action by the PCUE and
> the
> >> >�> Special Office of Ethical Concerns of the ICUA.  Possible punitive
> >> action
> >> >�> may occur.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Third violation will result in arrest and deportation to the penal
> >> colony
> >> >�> of New Zealand, Usenet posting priveleges revoked for life, and
> >> financial
> >> >�> restitution to be layed upon offender's relatives and friends.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> We feel confident that these measures will ultimately improve the
> >> welfare
> >> >�> of Usenet individuals everywhere and ultimately result in a clear,
> >> >�> enjoyable, and socially sanitized medium for somewhat free exchange
> of
> >> >�> ideas.
> >> >�>
> >> >�> Thank you,
> >> >�>
> >> >�> The International Council for Usenet Affairs
> >> >�
> >> >�Can we get cheese with that?
> >> >
> >> >Henceforth, cheese will only be available in alt.cheese.
> >> >
> >> >HTH, HAND,
> >>
> >> what hace all tihs crap got to
> >> do weth news.admin.net-abues.mewo
> >
> >i dot'n konw!
> 
> tish is unheaerdof
> 
> in taht case would yuo
> liek a griled cheesse saemwich

Thanks, put mayo on it too.  

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Somebody <somebody@penis.com> escribi� en art�culo: 
� Rabbi Ernst Zundel. There is no Rabbi Ernst Zundel.
� � buckey <look@thepost.com> enscribed:

� �# Gee, Wally, shouldn't we have posted to all 79,000 newsgroups. I only
� �# count 5.
� �
� � Newsgroup lines can only contain one kilobyte of data.  79,000 groups
� � would be impossible unless the NNTP transport systems were to
� � be modernized to 1990's standards from the present vintage 1980's.
� 
� Actually, that's 512 bytes of data.  Half a kilobyte.  3.5 kilobits.

According to Greg Andruk (meow!) there are servers with limits of 999
characters and some without any limits at all.

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From: "Nommo1" <nommo1@oannes.net>
Subject: Re: Interplanetary Symposium
Date: 26 Sep 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Original Post:

On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:48:24 GMT chive@mynde.net (Chive Mynde)
wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:39:42 -0700, Mahatma Oozing Pus
> <mahatma@oozing.pus.com> wrote:
> 
> >Nommo1 wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:30:59 -0700 OverShoes <nnoannes@mindcat.ches>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > The Science of Fairy Tales by Edwin S. Hartland
> >> 
> >> The Science of Fairy Tales?
> >
> >Yes. They were going to title the work: "Fairy Tales of Science",
> >but, realizing that from the perspective of the average drone 
> >mentality, it would sound derogatory toward science -- and being
> >righteous critters who understand that "a true scientist is in love 
> >with sheer, unadorned, agenda-free awareness" -- they therefore
> >arrived at the former title. Dr. Vallee was later to expand on the
> >work in elegant fashion.
> 
> Agenda-free awareness?  Interestingly, you have defined Orwellian
> Newspeak.  
> 
> FYI...
> 
> Agenda-free awareness is impossible in democratic societies.  
> 
> It is, however, the goal of totalitarian fascism.  Why do you
> perpetuate doublespeak, Mr. Pus?
> 
> - Chive

"Agenda-free awareness" results in forced relocations of native
people,
religious crusades, the slave trade, concentration camps,
environmental
pollution and a host of other ills society could do without.

You, OTOH, promote "agenda-free awareness".  

How wonderful for you.  Do let us know when you find time in your
agenda-free awareness to eat and drink, and bathe and sleep, and
purchase clothes and shoes, work, and drive, and so on...

I hope you understand that an "agenda-free awareness" is in fat
an
agenda of false neutrality and that the one true agenda is
freedom.

Science indulges itself often in the false belief structure of
"neutrality" and "agenda-free awareness" when it knows very well
that
it is a prostitute to the military industrial complex and it is
responsible for every horror known to man on Earth.

- Nommo 
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In article <7tngap$c96$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, silverpelican <silverpelican@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <938406779.3943@isc.org>,
>  Giovanni Greco <giovanni@giovannigreco.com> wrote:
>>                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>                unmoderated group news.admin.moderation

>> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup news.admin.moderation.
>> This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>> Procedural details are below.

>> Newsgroup line:
>> news.admin.moderation A forum for moderation.

>> RATIONALE: news.admin.moderation

Good idea.
About time they create a specific place to discuss moderation as such,
especially in the light of news administration.

>> Since the introduction of group moderation (1980) members of the
>> Usenet community have always had different opinions about moderation:
>> some users think newsgroup moderation means censorship;

It IS.

It IS a blanket licence to do ANYTHING the moderator wants.

It IS an unprecedented power of control, opression and domination.

It IS an unprecedented blanket license to censor based on UTTERLY
irrelevant information to discussion, the article headers.

It IS an unperecedented licence to destroy the information
by the most idiotic bots, utterly inappropriate from ANY conceivable
angle.

It IS a blanket licence to desroy articles based on a simple string
match with the "evil" word lists.

IT IS the blanket licence to bypass the highest principles of ANY land.

It IS an establishment of virtual dictatorship and LIMITATION
of scope of a discussion and not expansion.

It IS a licence, allowing evil governmental, military and intelligence
agencies take a virtual control of discussion and cut it off completely
if necessary.

It IS a method of management of information stream, bypassing the very
notion of democracy in one of the noblest and oldest electronic exchange
of information media, usenet.

It IS the darkest day of newsnet and nobody can even begin to estimate
how many of the most brilliant ideas in the most important subjects of
GLOBAL interest have been destroyed and ARE being destroyed with this
ugly tool of control, opression and domination.

It IS a tool, allowing the most intolerant of all, who can not even
push the next button on their newsreader, to control, opress and dominate
ALL others, actual, potential, present of future.

It IS a blanket licence to establish the virtual black lists on a global
scale, as maintained by the "moderators" aka the opressors of thought.
It is one thing when the individual reader does not with to read the
articles from a specific users, but it is completely another thing
to establish such black lists on the group wide level, thus preventing
a free flow of ideas on a global scale.

It IS an establishment of virutal dictators that could not be dismissed,
as the ONLY way to get the "moderator" out is for HIM to step down,
as this is NUMBER sucking ONE rule, as maintained by the TOTAL virtual
dictator, aka tale, and what sucking "authority" does take have over
entire global information media?

WHO authorised who and who allowed this to happen?

Does tale equally represent the interests of ALL people of the planet earth,
or does he server only one specific empire?

>> others do
>> it as work with no pay. What is needed is a specific forum where this
>> topic can be talked about.

YES, URGENTLY needed.
And it has to be specifically written in the charter that this
specific group can NEVER be either converted to moderated status,
nor removed, nor renamed, and MUST be carried by ALL news admins.

ALL moderation issues have to be discussed on ALL servers.
It is one of the most dangerous areas, having potential to destroy
the whole media and the flow of ideas in the forms of global distribution
of articles, works of research, view, ideas and opinions.

>> At the moment there is no appropriate newsgroup for discussion of this
>> topic, so posts on the subject are debated mainly in other places like
>> news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse, news.admin.censorship and the
>> debate tends to go nowhere.

Yes, it leads NOWHERE real fast.
It is simply a tool for the power hungry to enjoy the process
of humiliation and insult of all others.

Ugly enterprises indeed.
Promoting the corruption of all.

>> The purpose of news.admin.moderation
>> is to provide a focal  point of discussion on this issue.

>> In the Big Eight hierarchies there are almost 300 moderated groups:
>> this should offer sufficient traffic for such a forum. As we all
>> know, the future will bring increased flows of messages and more and
>> more moderated newsgroups.

Nope, should be less and less.

If someone wants to go to a private elite club, they can use
other means of information exchange for the chosen ones.

>> Two mailing lists for moderators already
>> exist. The newsgroup will be something more and will involve normal
>> users bringing their personal know-how to this specific group.

>> CHARTER: news.admin.moderation

>> The news.admin.moderation newsgroup is intended to be unmoderated

AND NEVER to become moderated in the future.
Nor it can be removed, renamed or edited out of existance.

>> to allow users who don't think their message is off-topic to come
>> into the proposed group and show their message there: "People of
>> news.admin.moderation, why can't this message of mine be approved
>> in this newsgroup?" And, of course,  the newsgroup can also be used
>> by moderators to justify their work.

Furthermore, there MUST be a way to save the articles that were
"moderated" out of existance for the archival purposes and present
and future scrutiny.

There needs to be an archive and a search engine, capable of
searching on a newsgroup name, author, article subject, date,
and ALL other header information.

>> Here new moderators can ask for advice from experienced ones about
>> the best way to moderate a newsgroup or how to behave with certain
>> kinds of posters.

Ok, the first thing to "behave with certain kinds of posters"
is to learn the most fundamental law of tolerance to the ideas
of others.

The second thing to learn is that the user may push the next button
on his newsreader, so, simply moderating out the articles that have
even a remote possibility of being appropriate to the group, is NOT
the "right" way of "moderation".

The third thing to learn is that the "moderator" is enjoying the
public trust and is obliged to maintain such.

The forth thing to learn is that moderator can be moderated out himself.
If there is even a few complains about a possibility of censorship,
the group is to be IMMEDIATELY restored to non moderated status,
even if temporarily, so that the group could be opened for discussion.

The server software needs to be modified and expanded to be able
to dynamically triggered into unmoderated status without ANY fuss.
And it has to be made EXTREMELY restrictive in ALLOWING the moderated
status, as moderated status is to be assumed to restrict the information
flow, which is contrary to the world wide public interest.

The next thing to learn is that the notion of a black list belongs
to the lands of evil empires and totalitarian and dictatorial
systems.

Another thing to learn is that no moderation by the string match
is allowed to be implemented as this is TOTALLY inappropriate tool
for moderation.

The next thing is that the moderation by the article headers is
not appropriate, as articles headers do not reflect the content
of the post.

And a few other things.
;)

Then, and ONLY then, you can start "helping" him opress all ohters
and go against the constitution of his own country.

>> Users who would like to open a moderated newsgroup
>> can ask in the group about all the problems that moderation can
>> include or find out about the help that robo-moderation can give to
>> save a lot of work (thanks, for instance, to the pre-approved list).
>> Information on moderation's software tools will be welcome here.

NO ROBO MODERATION is valid, appropriate or even desirable,
unless it can be shown, beyond ALL doubt, that it can help
to eliminate OBVIOUSLY inappropriate articles.

The robo-killing of ideas can not be justified by "save a lot of work"
factor. That is the lowest common denominator position.
Not valid.

Pre-approved list goest against the principles of moderation
as it allows certain individuals to post ANYTHING they wish,
while denying the ability to post to all others.

As to "moderation software", it is NOT currently possible to
do moderation with the computer program because the CONTENT
of the article is what to be analyzed in terms of appropriatness
to the group, and not the headers.

Currently, there exist no known way of evaluating the ideas,
even using the most sophisticated software of artificial intelligence,
nor it will be possible in the forceable future.

The ONLY robo-moderation, coceivably possible, is spam supressal,
or the articles from known spam houses or accounts.
In that case, there IS a way, but even that much is not such a
simple matter.

The claims by the "freedom fighters" and various global domination
groups as to the effectiveness of their giant sucking machines
and virtual black holes, are vast distortions of truth.

You can not go against the articles of your own constitution
and the concepts of democracy.

You can not create a virtual dictatorships and electronic sabotage
organizations, hiding behind the notions of "good" and bypassing
the most fundamental documends of ALL lands.

Who knows, those "heroes" may be virtual duplicates of hitlers and stalins.
Is there a guarantee they are not?

>> If a moderator disappears, or any other problems occur, posters from
>> that group can come into the newsgroup and discuss how to deal
>> with this matter, deciding what to do and who can replace the old
>> moderator. The goal of this newsgroup is to preserve the freedom
>> of one and all, users and moderators alike.

If no articles appear in the group for 72 hours,
the group is to be restored to UNMODERATED status AUTOMATICALLY
by the server distribution software,
as, on the first place, there is simply not enough traffic
to justify such moderation.

Now, to switch that group BACK to moderated status, it should be
required to do MUCH more work in justifying such moderation.

>> END CHARTER.

>> PROCEDURE:
>>
>> This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
>> of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
>> should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
>> for a minimum

MAXIMUM, not minimum.

There is simply not a single reason to deny the existance of this group.

It is URGENTLY needed.

>> of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
>> proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
>> Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
>> warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
>>
>> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>>
>> This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
>> guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
>> to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
>> documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
>> questions about the process.
>>
>> DISTRIBUTION:
>>
>> news.announce.newgroups
>> news.groups
>> it.news.moderazione
>>
>> Proponent: Giovanni Greco <giovanni@giovannigreco.com>

Co-signed:

Acharya Veeren,

Self proclaimed council
of Osho,

[poisoned by the evillest empires of all,
while attempting to create a place
on the face of the planet Earth
for the New Man,
living free in harmony with nature,
and enjoying life to the fullest]

On the subjects of Arts and Sciences,
having FULL authority to make such proclamation.

October 10, of the year 1999 since the birth of Crist.

Thus be it recorded in the books of history.

>Perhaps this request is not appropriate, but would it be possible to re-
>work the RFD to change the name of the group to news.admin.history?
>This would remove the rifle muzzle from between the moderator groups
>eyes and also broaden the exploratory possibilities.
>silverpelican is not a moderator but, if so, would be extremely
>reluctant to vote for a long running process totally devoted to
>moderator processes, motives, etc.
>History covers a lot of territory and also begins with the last second
>of time.



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Penal Colony of New Zealand? Heh



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We have been waiting  9 months for our $100 rebate.

Anyone else?  Post here to stop this fraud..




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From: sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling)
Subject: Net Abuse Report - please help
Date: 1999/10/24
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Hi

I am sabu424 a very respected poster of wrestling news to the
internet. MY group t-netz.wrestling.wcw was attacked by some  spammers
called Meowers and flonkers and I stood up to them rather than be
bullied. As a result they have launcehd a hate campaign against me led
by a loser called ScottZf and perpetrated by Alsion Chambers. They are
evil people make no doubt about that.

Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 

I call upon you to do the following

i) Ban Scottzf and Alison Chambers from usenet forever

ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424

iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
the title.

iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
alt.fan.karl-malden.nose

v) Ban all meowers and flonkers for a week as a punishment for
attacking me.

vi) forbid all crossposting to alt.romath as well as the two groups in
item iv).

Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
October.


My Signature

Sabu424 is the man. He is one of the greatest internet reporters of all time.
He truly sets the standard for wrestling news reporters. His skills are bar none. - The Doc



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From: "Groman" <groman@tfz.net>
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whahahahahahaha!

don't worry, "respected" part will be fixed soon...


> Hi
>
> I am sabu424 a very respected poster of wrestling news to the
> internet. MY group t-netz.wrestling.wcw was attacked by some  spammers
> called Meowers and flonkers and I stood up to them rather than be
> bullied. As a result they have launcehd a hate campaign against me led
> by a loser called ScottZf and perpetrated by Alsion Chambers. They are
> evil people make no doubt about that.
>
> Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
> hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports.
>
> I call upon you to do the following
>
> i) Ban Scottzf and Alison Chambers from usenet forever
>
> ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424
>
> iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
> the title.
>
> iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
> alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
>
> v) Ban all meowers and flonkers for a week as a punishment for
> attacking me.
>
> vi) forbid all crossposting to alt.romath as well as the two groups in
> item iv).
>
> Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
> October.
>
>
> My Signature
>
> Sabu424 is the man. He is one of the greatest internet reporters of all
time.
> He truly sets the standard for wrestling news reporters. His skills are
bar none. - The Doc





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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:35:09 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk
(Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling) wrote:

Didnt we do this shit already?

>Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
>hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 

Bullshit.  Everytime you post, you do damage to yourself.  Grow the
fuck up, and use a killfile. 

>ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424

Jay did, but its back with a passion. 

>
>iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
>the title.

This isnt AOL, we dont censor

>
>iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose

you fucking do it

>
>Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>October.

Ahh, Can you smell those cmsg newgroup? 


Regards,
Doug(tm) <mantra@softhome.net> 
I eat spammers and there isp's for lunch



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Subject: Re: Net Abuse Report - please help
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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:35:09 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424
- The Expert View on Wrestling) scribbled:

>Hi
>
>I am sabu424 a very respected poster of wrestling news to the

Liar.

>internet. MY group t-netz.wrestling.wcw was attacked by some  spammers

It's not yours.

>called Meowers and flonkers and I stood up to them rather than be
>bullied. As a result they have launcehd a hate campaign against me led

As a result he's been spanked thoroughly across usenet.

>by a loser called ScottZf and perpetrated by Alsion Chambers. They are
>evil people make no doubt about that.

Said the spammer.

>Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
>hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 

It's aimed at annoying you, hey it worked!

>I call upon you to do the following
>
>i) Ban Scottzf and Alison Chambers from usenet forever

No

>ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424

No

>iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
>the title.

FOAD

>iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose

Why? No.

>v) Ban all meowers and flonkers for a week as a punishment for
>attacking me.

Ban yourself for being an idiot, scrappy.

>vi) forbid all crossposting to alt.romath as well as the two groups in
>item iv).

Forbid? Censor!

>Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>October.

Of what year?


-- 

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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400, -= Hawk =- <hawk@lart.com> wrote:

; >Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
; >October.
; 
; Of what year?

1900.



-- 

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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:09:13 GMT, joon@bunni.tj (lilbluejoonbunni)
scribbled:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400, -= Hawk =- <hawk@lart.com> wrote:
>
>; >Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>; >October.
>; 
>; Of what year?
>
>1900.

Shit, my time machine is in the wash...

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From: sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling)
Subject: Re: Net Abuse Report - please help
Date: 1999/10/25
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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:40:50 GMT, "doug(tm)" <mantra@softhome.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:35:09 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk
>(Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling) wrote:
>
>Didnt we do this shit already?
>
>>Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
>>hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 
>
>Bullshit.  Everytime you post, you do damage to yourself.  Grow the
>fuck up, and use a killfile. 
>

If someone would give me the password to agent I could use a killfile
as it has one.

>>ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424
>
>Jay did, but its back with a passion. 
>

Jay will can it again

>>
>>iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
>>the title.
>
>This isnt AOL, we dont censor

Yes you do, you stop groups from being invented, that is censoring.

>
>>
>>iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
>>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
>
>you fucking do it

Okay  I will

>
>>
>>Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>>October.
>
>Ahh, Can you smell those cmsg newgroup? 
>
>
>Regards,
>Doug(tm) <mantra@softhome.net> 
>I eat spammers and there isp's for lunch



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From: sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling)
Subject: Re: Net Abuse Report - please help
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On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400, -= Hawk =- <hawk@lart.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:35:09 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424
>- The Expert View on Wrestling) scribbled:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I am sabu424 a very respected poster of wrestling news to the
>
>Liar.
>

Remember my 100 line sig with all the praise ? That says otherwise

>>internet. MY group t-netz.wrestling.wcw was attacked by some  spammers
>
>It's not yours.

I post there

>
>>called Meowers and flonkers and I stood up to them rather than be
>>bullied. As a result they have launcehd a hate campaign against me led
>
>As a result he's been spanked thoroughly across usenet.

I have not

>
>>by a loser called ScottZf and perpetrated by Alsion Chambers. They are
>>evil people make no doubt about that.
>
>Said the spammer.

Who, you ?

ha ha ha ha

>
>>Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
>>hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 
>
>It's aimed at annoying you, hey it worked!
>

It did not annoy me.

>>I call upon you to do the following
>>
>>i) Ban Scottzf and Alison Chambers from usenet forever
>
>No

I will do it

>
>>ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424
>
>No

I will do it

>
>>iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
>>the title.
>
>FOAD

You too (i know what that one means)

>
>>iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
>>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
>
>Why? No.

I will do it

>
>>v) Ban all meowers and flonkers for a week as a punishment for
>>attacking me.
>
>Ban yourself for being an idiot, scrappy.

I am not an idiot

>
>>vi) forbid all crossposting to alt.romath as well as the two groups in
>>item iv).
>
>Forbid? Censor!

You are a censor as well.

>
>>Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>>October.
>
>Of what year?
>

1999

>
>-- 
>
>Want to propose a newsgroup? Browse these links for help:
>http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/
>http://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame/create.html
>http://www.gweep.bc.ca/~edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html
>http://nylon.net/alt/newgroup.htm
>For information on moderating a newsgroup:
>http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
>For help with Deja keyword search:
>http://www.deja.com/help/help_lang.shtml
>For Deja power search:
>http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
>For proposing WebTV alt.discuss groups:
>http://www.angelfire.com/az/OpenMind/adrules.html



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On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:09:54 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk
(Sabu424 - The Expert View on Wrestling) wrote:

>If someone would give me the password to agent I could use a killfile
>as it has one.
IMQF.  i dont know whats wrong with you,  programs aside from agent
have kill files, but whatever. 

>Jay will can it again

Jay isnt going to be your rmgroup bitch. 

>Yes you do, you stop groups from being invented, that is censoring.

We didnt stop your joke groups.  


Regards,
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On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:09:55 GMT, as I was filing down my fangs, the
following words from sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424 - The
Expert View on Wrestling) gave me pause:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400, -= Hawk =- <hawk@lart.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:35:09 GMT, sabu424@sabu424.free-online.co.uk (Sabu424
>>- The Expert View on Wrestling) scribbled:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I am sabu424 a very respected poster of wrestling news to the
>>
>>Liar.
>>
>
>Remember my 100 line sig with all the praise ? That says otherwise

To get praise from rasslin' fans is about as satisfying as getting a
blowjob from a vacuum-cleaner... Easily done yet signifying nothing...
>
>>>internet. MY group t-netz.wrestling.wcw was attacked by some  spammers
>>
>>It's not yours.
>
>I post there

Which makes it yours, of course... I feel so silly now
>
>>
>>>called Meowers and flonkers and I stood up to them rather than be
>>>bullied. As a result they have launcehd a hate campaign against me led
>>
>>As a result he's been spanked thoroughly across usenet.
>
>I have not

You have *TOO* <g>
>
>>
>>>by a loser called ScottZf and perpetrated by Alsion Chambers. They are
>>>evil people make no doubt about that.
>>
>>Said the spammer.
>
>Who, you ?
>
>ha ha ha ha
>
>>
>>>Theyt have created a group called alt.idiot.sabu424 which is aimed at
>>>hurting me as a news reporter and devaluing my news reports. 
>>
>>It's aimed at annoying you, hey it worked!
>>
>
>It did not annoy me.

It did *TOO*! Oh my, I'm getting repetitive here.
>
>>>I call upon you to do the following
>>>
>>>i) Ban Scottzf and Alison Chambers from usenet forever
>>
>>No
>
>I will do it

Then ban me too, plz, so I don't have to hear your blathering nonsense
any more
>
>>
>>>ii) rm the group alt.idiot.sabu424
>>
>>No
>
>I will do it

Oh yeah...
>
>>
>>>iii) ban the creation of any group with sabu or scrappy or scabu in
>>>the title.
>>
>>FOAD
>
>You too (i know what that one means)

Damn... One you *did* know about! then ESAD too, plz
>
>>
>>>iv) rm group both alt.alien-vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk and
>>>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
>>
>>Why? No.
>
>I will do it

We're still waiting...
>
>>
>>>v) Ban all meowers and flonkers for a week as a punishment for
>>>attacking me.
>>
>>Ban yourself for being an idiot, scrappy.
>
>I am not an idiot

You are not? Could have fooled me...
>
>>
>>>vi) forbid all crossposting to alt.romath as well as the two groups in
>>>item iv).
>>
>>Forbid? Censor!
>
>You are a censor as well.
>
>>
>>>Thank you for doing this, I expect this to be done by Tuesday 26th
>>>October.
>>
>>Of what year?
>>
>
>1999


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From: Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Docuumentation of the next stalker to go to jail Re: January 1 2000, the planets, psychic power, and the Awakening
Date: 1999/11/29
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I post at 8 pm PST, he posts by 8:09, my my.

ellis@no.spam wrote:
> 
> In article <38434BEC.1AF6@yahoo.com>,
> Convicted criminal Edmond Wollmann farted:
> 
> >>My question to anyone who thinks that the year 2000 is in some way important
> >>is what do they think happened 2000 years ago that made it so special?
> 
> >Those of us who are NOT spinics--grew.
> 
> There are no "spinics".  It's just a stupid made up word you use to
> label those that point out how full of shit you are.
> 
> >Thats what. The events that have
> >taken place over the last 2000 years, have allowed us to play the game
> >of forgetting and limitation to its end. Time to wake up and re-member
> >(bring the "other" members of your self) the self you REALLY are, and
> >co-fuse it together with the you you THINK is all you are.
> 
> Translation:  no semantic content.

Translation: You have absolutely NO life and are doing your best to
ennjoy the friuts of someone who does.
-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 1999 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/tableof.htm



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From: "Mr. Sweetness & Light." <kfries@lart.com>
Subject: Re: Docuumentation of the next stalker to go to jail Re: January 1 2000, the planets, psychic power, and the Awakening
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Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <3843570D.D20@yahoo.com>...
>I post at 8 pm PST, he posts by 8:09, my my.
>
>ellis@no.spam wrote:
>>
>> In article <38434BEC.1AF6@yahoo.com>,
>> Convicted criminal Edmond Wollmann farted:
>>
>> >>My question to anyone who thinks that the year 2000 is in some way
important
>> >>is what do they think happened 2000 years ago that made it so special?
>>
>> >Those of us who are NOT spinics--grew.
>>
>> There are no "spinics".  It's just a stupid made up word you use to
>> label those that point out how full of shit you are.
>>
>> >Thats what. The events that have
>> >taken place over the last 2000 years, have allowed us to play the game
>> >of forgetting and limitation to its end. Time to wake up and re-member
>> >(bring the "other" members of your self) the self you REALLY are, and
>> >co-fuse it together with the you you THINK is all you are.
>>
>> Translation:  no semantic content.
>
>Translation: You have absolutely NO life and are doing your best to
>ennjoy the friuts of someone who does.


Eddie, you've missed the point yet again. These rapid turnarounds in replies
only tells me you're the obsessional stalker. Buzzwords only cut it with the
addle-brained such as yourself and the paltry few
suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hclients you have. Jesus, the apartment complexes I
looked at when I moved here included yours. I'm glad the rental agent showed
enough nervousness to make me doubt living there.
Old #26.
PS: Nice touch setting the followups to alt.dev.null. Idiot. Did you really
think that would work, Kook?





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On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:48:13 -0800, Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I post at 8 pm PST, he posts by 8:09, my my.
>
>ellis@no.spam wrote:
>> 
>> In article <38434BEC.1AF6@yahoo.com>,
>> Convicted criminal Edmond Wollmann farted:
>> 
>> >>My question to anyone who thinks that the year 2000 is in some way important
>> >>is what do they think happened 2000 years ago that made it so special?
>> 
>> >Those of us who are NOT spinics--grew.
>> 
>> There are no "spinics".  It's just a stupid made up word you use to
>> label those that point out how full of shit you are.
>> 
>> >Thats what. The events that have
>> >taken place over the last 2000 years, have allowed us to play the game
>> >of forgetting and limitation to its end. Time to wake up and re-member
>> >(bring the "other" members of your self) the self you REALLY are, and
>> >co-fuse it together with the you you THINK is all you are.
>> 
>> Translation:  no semantic content.
>
>Translation: You have absolutely NO life and are doing your best to
>ennjoy the friuts of someone who does.

Who'd that be?

-- 
kjb@catnip.org               http://www.catnip.org/
"CYNIC, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are,
not as they ought to be.  Hence the custom among Scythiians of plucking
out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision." - Ambrose Bierce




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metapsych replaced with NANAU.

Mr. Sweetness & Light. wrote:
SNIP!

Nothing.

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-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 1999 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
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M'n D,
You forgot the crosspost.
No worries, I'll fix it for you.
TM


In article <ghuv4sk35hdeb3n2oehdrdfhohkdbq6d5e@4ax.com>, MnD
<neflcpl@aol.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:41:38 GMT, hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta K. Thomas) wrote:
>
>
>>
>>As to canceling your own articles, you can only do that from your own news
>>server.  And you can do it even after the message has been distributed
>>throughout the system.  Each news server retains articles for X number
>>of days, anywhere from 5-30 days.  As long as your article is still sitting
>>on your own ISPs news server, you can cancel it.  Try this if you want to
>>prove it to yourself.  Post a message to alt.test, let it circulate through
>>the system, then go back and cancel it.  It should work.
>>
>>Third-party cancels by ordinary users are discouraged, and anyone
>>who issues them runs a risk of being labelled a 'rogue canceller'.
>>The only 'authorized' third-party cancellers are the spam cancellers
>>who follow the approved conventions for third-party cancelling.  In
>>addition to looking at Andrew Gierth's reports, you will find further
>>information on cancels in Tim Skirvin's cancel FAQ.  The URL for
>>Skirvin's home page is <http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/> .
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>Henrietta K. Thomas
>>Chicago, Illinois
>>hkt@wwa.com
>
>
>Henrietta, 
>
>Thanx very much for your reply..  :)
>
>The situation is this..  
>
>Since 2 Dec 1999 over 100 of our posts have been Canceled using forged
>CANCEL notices from a MINDSPRING server in Atlanta...
>
>It is our belief that this TG/Paul Robinson person is either doing it or is
>behind someone else doing it...
>
>Paul/TG has used the afore post to try and distract users of the NG from
>his activities.  Rather then deny his actions, as an innocent person would
>do, he distracts the NG with a lecture on USENET procedures..
>
>It is interesting to note that Paul/TG *DOES NOT DENY* that he is canceling
>posts from users of this NG...  He simply says that canceling doesn't
>work... This is classic TG maneuvering..  He knows that we will aire the
>proof we have so he is gearing up for the defense that, "Yea, I did it, but
>it didn't work, so no biggie"...  Well we can nip that in the bud!   :)
>
>In any case, Henrietta.. Thanx again for your assistance...  :)
>
>
>                                MnD
>
>
>=========================================================================================
>The afore post expresses the opinions of the poster unless specifically
stated otherwise.
>The opinions expressed may not necessarily be representative, indicative
or reflective
>of any policy, official or un-official, save our own..



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"Edmond Wollmann" <arcturian1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:38750F69.73D5@netscape.net...
> I have reviewed your questions and responses. Much of what you have
> requested is either easily obtainable information through study at the
> beginners level, is simply irrelevant, a matter of opinion, or has been
> answered by me many times in different ways. Since classes are widely
> offered on the subjects, and texts available that you seem to not be
> interested in, I can only assume that perhaps you are being
> disingenuous. Simply challenging and seeking to create dissention is
> immature and powerless behavior. Please try to take some responsibility
> for your lack of effort on the issues at hand and negative behavior.

Interesting. The questions being asked are all the same:

Why is Ed a fuckhead?

Your statement, "Much of what you have requested is either easily obtainable
information.." is indeed correct, and can be found at www.smbtech.com/ed and
many other websites. Your fuckheadedness can also be obtained through the
use of deja.com, for anyone with the stomach for it.

I'm glad you can agree on this matter.

--
Desktop Mercenary        "Dickhead" isn't a career - it's a calling.
xiii@swbell.net                                         -Ed Wollmann
Paranoid Network Intruder Ministries
Obligatory Website: http://deskmerc.simplenet.com
New Godfist material soon!






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The King of Rock wrote:
> 
> Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
> How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
> Just a small fraction comes from our faction
> It still sends the netcops into action
> Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
> Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
> There's CFVs for UDPs
snip

What the hell is UPA? and Meow?

Jeff
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Kiji ga <35D8EE1F.257543F5@lucent.com.fightspam>
Jeff <uleau@lucent.com.fightspam> ga hakumashita:

� The King of Rock wrote:
� > 
� > Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
� > How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
� > Just a small fraction comes from our faction
� > It still sends the netcops into action
� > Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
� > Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
� > There's CFVs for UDPs
� snip
� 
� What the hell is UPA? and Meow?

Hell is not an option!



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david denny is a principal at dimensional.com, an isp in colorado.

david allows at least one customer of dimensional.com to falsely
accuse others of pedophilia and to post the home address and telephone
numbers of the falsely accused. the customer is steve pordon who
mostly posts as legion@somewhere and who earned a level of fame as the
nyx forger when nyx.cs.du.edu existed.

clearly, david will have no complaints when others, perhaps as many as
a dozen others, begin posting his personal information and that of his
family along with some inflamatory and false charges so that his
personal life is invaded by the net-crazies.

or maybe david will change his tune.






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david denny is a principal at dimensional.com, an isp in colorado.

david allows at least one customer of dimensional.com to falsely
accuse others of pedophilia and to post the home address and telephone
numbers of the falsely accused. the customer is steve pordon who
mostly posts as legion@somewhere and who earned a level of fame as the
nyx forger when nyx.cs.du.edu existed.

clearly, david will have no complaints when others, perhaps as many as
a dozen others, begin posting his personal information and that of his
family along with some inflamatory and false charges so that his
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or maybe david will change his tune.



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From: Shinobu Hosokawa <hosokawa@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Control message: Submitted for modified charter for alt.astrology.metapsych
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Edmond H. Wollmann wrote:

> You have no interest in this group other than to try to control things
> that are none of your business.

There are a few lies in your statement that I will correct, Mr. Wollmann.Your first lie about my interests: I have other interests in a.a.m. I have a keen interest in
astology, psychology, metaphysics, skepticism, and free speech. What I am -not- interested in is your censorship. Your second lie about attempts to control: I am not
controlling anything, in fact, all I have done is allowed people to have more control over what they can post into a.a.m. Your third lie about what is and isn't nmy
business: You have no business telling me what my business is. But I can tell you that free speech is everyone's business, while censorship remains Ed Wollmann's
business.

> Go create your own group if you don't
> like it.

There is no need, Mr. Wollmann. Simply modifying the charter to a.a.m has resulted in a newsgroup that follows the tenets of an unmmoderated alt. newsgroup which
allows freedom of speech and spares the punishment should one post -horrors!- "off-topic"!

> Your abuse is tiring and there will be no changes.

There is no abuse, and I am sorry you have little stamina, but that is your problem, Mr. Wollmann. Perhaps you need to get out and exercise more often.You lied when
yous tated that there will be no changes; there already has been. The new modified charter has been officially discussed, ratifies, and placed on a web server.

> Complaints sent to AOL.

AOL? Oh, my, then you must have been responding to another's post, Mr. Wollmann. You see? it is true that in your anger you become sloppy. On Usenet it is customary to
attribute a bit of a previous post so that others reading the thread know whom and what you are responding to.

>
>
> Your client is seeking to disrupt a group he has no interest in other
> than to "prove he can control it"

You are lying again., Mr. Wollmann. Mr. Simak was simply joining into a discussion where everyone's opinions are welcome (including your own) and you are attempting to
censor him by sending complaints.

> -this is not what usenet is for.

Then why do you use it for that purpose, Mr. Wollmann?

> We
> discuss what we wish, and there are options for your user to create
> other groups if he wishes

Just as there are options for you to create a - moderated- nerwsgroup if you wish, and you should, as you have been acting as the de facto moderator of
alt.astrology.metapsych, which is both curious and wrong, as it is an unmoderated group.Your creation of a moderated group might be just the thing you need to satisfy
your censorious, "Net Copping", admitted  need to control a conversation.

> to discuss whatever he wishes in what ever way
> he wishes without having to try to censor others in their groups
> discussing what they wish in their own way.

How funny, Mr. Wollmann! That is exactly what -you- try to do!

> I will POWERFULLY oppose legally and in any way possible with complaints

Your complaints are neither powerful nor do they carry any force of law, Mr. Wollmann.

> if this abusive attempt to control this group continues.

The group has already been controlled, Mr. Wollmann. There need be no further attempts. The new charter is what controls the group.

> This will be far more than some silly flame war if this is allowed to
> continue.

Do not try to blackmail Usenet, Mr. Wollmann. You don't own it, and you do not own a.a.m, although you seem to think you do. Call your attorneys, Mr.Wollmann! You can
do nothing about the new charter. and you cannopt sue for it.

> Please take action against Rick Lazzarini,

What does he have to do with it, Mr. Wollmann?

> anonym@pacbell.net,

What does he have to do with it, Mr. Wollmann? Does AOL now take action against pacbell customers?

> and this
> user who is most likely one of them and his obsessive OCD.

 It would be interesting to see the evidence you have that proves your ridiculous contention,, Mr. Wollmann! You are really a looney crackpot and kook who has gone off
the deep end! I wish that I could meet you, Mr. Wollmann! I would laugh in your face!

>

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>
>
> Al Simak wrote:
> >
> > Ed Wollmann whined:
> >
> > >Who wishes to change this group?
> >
> > I do, Ed. It's time that the charter reflected the power of free speech, and
> > not your censorious overlording.
> >
> > > It has been well established for two
> > >years. This is just non-sense.
> >
> > Well established as a vanity group created by you to be your own little
> > fiefdom, where you make unethical complaints about other's "violations of the
> > charter" while you violate it yourself and play favorites by allowing others
> > whom you are friends with violate the charter as well.
> >
> > You make a horrible and corrupt moderator, Ed. And now you've ben relieved of
> > that wanna-be position.
> >
> > >
> > > Shinobu Hosokawa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: hosokawa@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Newsgroups: alt.astrology.metapsych
> > > > Control: newgroup alt.astrology.metapsych
> > > > Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.astrology.metapsych
> > > > Summary: discussed in alt.config, modification of outdated charter,
> > > > alt.astrology.metapsych
> > > > Expires:
> > > > Approved: hosokawa@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Sender: hosokawa@ix.netcom.com
>
>






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Subject: Re: Control message: Submitted for modified charter for alt.astrology.metapsych rejected by readership
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alt.astrology.metapsych removed-complaints sent and will continue to be
sent.

Shinobu Hosokawa wrote:
 
> Edmond H. Wollmann wrote:
 
> > You have no interest in this group other than to try to control things
> > that are none of your business.
 

> > Go create your own group if you don't
> > like it.
> 
> There is no need, Mr. Wollmann. Simply modifying the charter to a.a.m has resulted in a newsgroup that follows the tenets of an unmmoderated 

SNIP!
Rejected.
-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 1998 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
SDSU http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~wollmann/



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Subject: Modified charter for alt.astrology.metapsych officially approved, but rejected by the lone censor Wollmann
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Edmond H. Wollmann wrote:

> alt.astrology.metapsych removed

Replaced, as the discussion is on-topic

> -complaints sent and will continue to be
> sent.

We acknowledge that sending complaints  is your obsessive and complusive reaction to being bested; why do you spam it so frequently?

>
>
> Shinobu Hosokawa wrote:

And then Mr. Wollmann does some unethical editing (censoring again!) when in fact the discussion went as follows:

Edmond H. Wollmann wrote:

> You have no interest in this group other than to try to control things
> that are none of your business.

There are a few lies in your statement that I will correct, Mr. Wollmann.Your first lie about my interests: I have other interests in a.a.m. I
have a keen interest in
astology, psychology, metaphysics, skepticism, and free speech. What I am -not- interested in is your censorship. Your second lie about attempts
to control: I am not
controlling anything, in fact, all I have done is allowed people to have more control over what they can post into a.a.m. Your third lie about
what is and isn't nmy
business: You have no business telling me what my business is. But I can tell you that free speech is everyone's business, while censorship
remains Ed Wollmann's
business.

> Go create your own group if you don't
> like it.

There is no need, Mr. Wollmann. Simply modifying the charter to a.a.m has resulted in a newsgroup that follows the tenets of an unmmoderated alt.
newsgroup which
allows freedom of speech and spares the punishment should one post -horrors!- "off-topic"!

> Your abuse is tiring and there will be no changes.

There is no abuse, and I am sorry you have little stamina, but that is your problem, Mr. Wollmann. Perhaps you need to get out and exercise more
often.You lied when
yous tated that there will be no changes; there already has been. The new modified charter has been officially discussed, ratifies, and placed on
a web server.

> Complaints sent to AOL.

AOL? Oh, my, then you must have been responding to another's post, Mr. Wollmann. You see? it is true that in your anger you become sloppy. On
Usenet it is customary to
attribute a bit of a previous post so that others reading the thread know whom and what you are responding to.

>
>
> Your client is seeking to disrupt a group he has no interest in other
> than to "prove he can control it"

You are lying again., Mr. Wollmann. Mr. Simak was simply joining into a discussion where everyone's opinions are welcome (including your own) and
you are attempting to
censor him by sending complaints.

> -this is not what usenet is for.

Then why do you use it for that purpose, Mr. Wollmann?

> We
> discuss what we wish, and there are options for your user to create
> other groups if he wishes

Just as there are options for you to create a - moderated- nerwsgroup if you wish, and you should, as you have been acting as the de facto
moderator of
alt.astrology.metapsych, which is both curious and wrong, as it is an unmoderated group.Your creation of a moderated group might be just the thing
you need to satisfy
your censorious, "Net Copping", admitted  need to control a conversation.

> to discuss whatever he wishes in what ever way
> he wishes without having to try to censor others in their groups
> discussing what they wish in their own way.

How funny, Mr. Wollmann! That is exactly what -you- try to do!

> I will POWERFULLY oppose legally and in any way possible with complaints

Your complaints are neither powerful nor do they carry any force of law, Mr. Wollmann.

> if this abusive attempt to control this group continues.

The group has already been controlled, Mr. Wollmann. There need be no further attempts. The new charter is what controls the group.

> This will be far more than some silly flame war if this is allowed to
> continue.

Do not try to blackmail Usenet, Mr. Wollmann. You don't own it, and you do not own a.a.m, although you seem to think you do. Call your attorneys,
Mr.Wollmann! You can
do nothing about the new charter. and you cannopt sue for it.

> Please take action against Rick Lazzarini,

What does he have to do with it, Mr. Wollmann?

> anonym@pacbell.net,

What does he have to do with it, Mr. Wollmann? Does AOL now take action against pacbell customers?

> and this
> user who is most likely one of them and his obsessive OCD.

 It would be interesting to see the evidence you have that proves your ridiculous contention,, Mr. Wollmann! You are really a looney crackpot and
kook who has gone off
the deep end! I wish that I could meet you, Mr. Wollmann! I would laugh in your face!

>

(header information and signature deleted)

>
>
> SNIP!
> Rejected.

Only by you, Mr. Wollmann, but then you really don't have much of a say in this matter, as you have proven yourself unworthy or enforcing the
charter you created, then corrupted with your censorious actions and need to control. The people who matter, Mr. Wollmann (and that group does not
include you) have APPROVED the new, modified charter. Please visit the URL given above, memorize the language of the new charter, and learn to
live with it. You were the dictator-like censor for 2 years; it is time to give it a rest.





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>alt.astrology.metapsych removed

Re-added for your viewing pleasure.

>-complaints sent and will continue to be
>sent.

You are an idiot, and you will continue to be an idiot.

>SNIP!

Likewise.

>Rejected.

*Yawn*

John
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From: balboa19@idt.net (Adnan)
Subject: Abuse
Date: 1998/09/15
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I don't know if it's happening in all newsgroups, but go to alt.religion.islam
to see that someone from netroplex.com (IP:  207.212.27.40) is posting
hundreds of posts using email address of people who usually post in
alt.religion.islam. Yes, he has posted hundreds of posts and has forged almost
everyone's email who posts in alt.religion.islam. Just see any of most recent
post within a thread and see the NNTP-Posting-Host, and it will say,
207.212.27.40




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From: balboa19@idt.net (Adnan)
Subject: Re: Abuse
Date: 1998/09/15
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On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:04:26 GMT, balboa19@idt.net (Adnan) wrote:

>
>I don't know if it's happening in all newsgroups, but go to alt.religion.islam
>to see that someone from netroplex.com (IP:  207.212.27.40) is posting
>hundreds of posts using email address of people who usually post in
>alt.religion.islam. Yes, he has posted hundreds of posts and has forged almost
>everyone's email who posts in alt.religion.islam. Just see any of most recent
>post within a thread and see the NNTP-Posting-Host, and it will say,
>207.212.27.40


Or it can be 207.212.27.26 or some similar IP from netroplex.com






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Subject: Re: Newgroups
Date: 1998/09/16
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"Iron Parrot" squawked:
}In alt.fan.karl-malden.nose, mcfreak@newsguy.com (Iron Parrot JIIM) 
}squawked loudly:
}
}I don't remember posting this.  Hm.

Evil forgers, eh?  I got one too.  Flattering, eh?  Very shoddily done,
though.  It's your right to cancel it, if it uses your email address.
(Email address, and not just name.)  Too bad [s]he isn't getting our proper
..sigs in.  Ah well.

HTH, HAND,
-Somebody mhm 17x2 ACC# 988765 8th Disciple of the Anticrust
 1st Smeeter WMo3RLP ICQ:13718758 SPotFECotAoL Rockette #7, 
  Typo Boy Extraordinare and keeper of the rules of flonk.

"No worries - simply pray to jesus and you're problems are
       solved!  He's a germ fighter and a flaagg."
                                                  -mhm 0x0



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Subject: Abuse
Date: 1998/09/16
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Being in place and functioning in ISKCON for several years since 1973,
Prabhupada's representative (ritvik)
initiation system is nothing new. It is basically representative preists or
ritviks of the diksa-guru Srila
Prabhupada performing the formal initiation ceremony and fire sacrifice in his
absence. This allows new
devotees to be trained as Prabhupada's disciples through his senior disciples
acting as siksa-gurus, his books
as diksa instructions, and the Deity worship and sankirtan program as
devotional service.

This is the best guru arrangement for fulfilling Prabhupada's mission and
spreading Lord Caitanya's
sankirtan movement because it has the continuity of one diksa-guru to last
indefinitely as opposed to the short
lifetime of the "appointed living-gurus". This continuity unites all the
followers of Prabhupada's teachings
past, present, and future as disciples of Krishna's empowered pure devotee,
jagat diksa-guru, and founder
acarya of ISKCON, thus ever increasing their numbers. However, the present
appointed "living guru" system
simply divides Prabhupada's followers into "guru factions" and when the living
gurus leave their body, their
disciples are then alienated from the society's shelter, which successively
decreases ISKCON's size and
transcendental potency.

Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada set up the ritvik system in ISKCON
to initiate his disciples in his absence, which he ordered to be continued
after his disappearance. With his massive international book distribution of
Vedic classical scriptures Bhagavad-gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, and Caitanya
Caritamrta and his thousands of disciples and 108 temples worldwide, Srila
Prabhupada has done what no acarya has done heretofore i.e. the establishment
of Lord Caitanya's sankirtan movement on a truly global scale.

By Krishna's will, Srila Prabhupada has created and established one sastra,
one sadhu community, and one diksa-guru for the entire world until hell
freezes over and the highest success is guaranteed.

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I did not write this !!! The dick head forger again.



On 16 Sep 1998 07:57:37 GMT, balboa19@idt.net (Adnan) wrote:
>
>Being in place and functioning in ISKCON for several years since 1973,
>Prabhupada's representative (ritvik)

<snip>



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From: kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com>
Subject: Mpowernet.com on spam (an open letter to all admins)
Date: 1998/10/08
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Hello and good day.  My name is Kamal Southall and I am a webmaster and admin
at mpowernet.com-a small Midwestern ISP in Cincinnati Ohio.  Roughly a year and
a half ago two of our users, on separate incidents, performed some rather
irresponsible and obnoxious acts of mass emailing and news posting from our
servers.  When we discovered this we terminated their accounts, no questions
asked.  It is unfortunate, however, that because of this incident we were put on
a number of spam blocking lists, starting with aol.com's which trickled down to
a number of public spam lists across the net. 

  AOL told us that we would be removed from their list if we; a)terminate the
account of the user (which we had already done); b) take concrete steps to
prevent our site from being used by other spammers by blocking outside relaying
etc.  We did this, due to our inexperience as an ISP. (we are only a little more
than 2 years old)  and a miscommunication with aol.com, we did not communicate
our concrete steps to the Internet community at large, we assumed that just as 
our name was quickly put on these lists so to would they be taken off. 

   We were wrong.
   
  It has taken us over a year to communicate with and reach many of the hundreds
of sites that are still blocking us, and we still find sites, on a regular
basis, who have blocks on us dating from 1997.  An even more insidious thing is
that some sites have recent and new blocks on.  This implies that some sites
believe that they are being actively spammed from us.

   Yet not a single one of the sites who have blocked us even took the time out
to call us, or just email us, to ask us what was up.  Is it that we are not
trusted ?

   We have been forwarded a number of mails from our own users that have been
forged as being From: xx@mpowernet.com, however these mails were clearly forged,
a quick look at the mail headers determined that they were not relayed through
our servers, rather they came from .com sites in the US, a number of dynamic ip
addresses, and even a .uk site !  There is also the possibility is that some
user of ours might happen to be actively spamming.  We are very security
conscious at mpowernet and we regularly read our sys and mail logs with a fine
toothed comb.

   To date we have been unable to verify any active Spamming from our current
users, it is a possibility, however.  If this is the case then we would welcome
any and all evidence pointing to this !

   Many of the sites that I have communicated with have been very cordial with
us and understanding, a few sites have simply given us the run around, refused
to return our multiple calls over a span of weeks.

   I assure you all that we are sincere, and I assure you that at
mpowernet we take the issue of spam very seriously.  We run a small service
oriented towards business clients.  Many of our users have clients of their own
that happen to be at sites that we are blocked from.  Our being blocked hurts
us, causes us to lose customers, and-in the long run- these kinds of things can
drive smaller ISP's out of business.  

   These kind of things hurt the trust and openness between sites that is the
glue that holds(or used to hold :( ) together the Internet community.  Many
ISP's, even very large and well known sites have had irresponsible customers who
have darkened the reputations of their services.  It is impossible to prevent
user irresponsibility but at mpowernet we are very clear about what our policies
are, and we try to run a selective service-in terms of the customers that we
accept.  We have had mail relaying disabled on our smtp server for a little over
a year now, and we try to regularly monitor our users without infringing on
their rights to privacy.

   Please remove us from your lists, if you have any doubts about our sincerity
please email me at this address, or webspinner@mpowernet.com, or
kamals@pohl.ececs.uc.edu.  If you have misgivings about removing us, or if you
have proof of active spam from our users, by *all* means *please forward it to
us !  We would be more than happy to cooperate with other sites in rooting out,
and stopping, any and all net-abuse.

	Also, we have have been alerted that a site, in June, *did* contact us
regarding spam posted from our nntp feed through Concentric net.  We do not know
why action was not taken on this right away but we are looking into this matter!
If any admins have noticed similar spam from mpowernet IP addresses then,
please, contact us !

Feel free to add; abuse@mpowernet.com, root@mpowernet.com, and
webspinner@mpowernet.com to your address books !

We can also be reached at 513-381-7873 (surf) or 513-784-1818 From 9:00am EST-
5:00pm EST  I can be reached at 513-702-0081 From 3:30pm EST-10:00pm EST
   


Thank you for your time.

--
"There is nothing more difficult to 	-- http://oz.uc.edu/~southakj/
take in and,more perilous to conduct,	-- kamals@mpowernet.com
or more uncertain in its success, than	-- webspinner@mpowernet.com
to take the lead in a new order of things."	--(513)381-surf
	-Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince"	
-
"Fear [is] the only restraining motive which may hold the hand of a tyrant."
-Thomas Jefferson:    Rights of British America, 1774.
-
"Coffee: black as hell, strong as death, sweet as love" -Turkish proverb



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From: root@mail.atat.dodat.org (El Capitan)
Subject: Re: Mpowernet.com on spam (an open letter to all admins)
Date: 1998/10/08
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In article <361CFA60.C00AF9BD@mpowernet.com>, kamals@mpowernet.com wrote:
>
>   Yet not a single one of the sites who have blocked us even took the time out
>to call us, or just email us, to ask us what was up.  Is it that we are not
>trusted ?

It's not you, specifically, that is untrusted; there are simply too many open 
relays and too many "we don't care about spam" admins to contact every one who 
has ever been guilty in the past.

However, if you have completed the closing of your relay (and I have no reason 
to doubt you), you should visit http://maps.vix.com/rbl/getoff.html and 
http://www.dorkslayers.com/orbs/closed1.cgi and follow the instructions you'll 
find there to get off the major "black hole" lists.


>>  No "courtesy copies" via e-mail, please.  <<
Hate spam? Join The Great American Pink-Out!
	http://www.ybecker.net/pink/
Find help fast at http://www.SPAMBUSTERS.ml.org
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From: cd@com.frenzy
Subject: Re: Mpowernet.com on spam (an open letter to all admins)
Date: 1998/10/09
Message-ID: <6vkghe$mg0$1@iapetus.comco.com>#1/1
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kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com> wrote:

[snippage]

> Thank you for your time.

I remember the first time you posted about this a year or so
ago and I asked Mindspring to remove you from the spaminator.
I'm sorry to see that you are still having problems with this.

This may sound silly but I think one of the reasons that some
admins are reluctant to remove you from their blacklists is your
domain name. Spamhausen like to use words like promo, money,
success, 4u, cash, business, and *POWER* in their domain names
and yours (mpowernet.com) sounds just a little bit "spammy".
Perhaps there might have been another domain with "powernet" in
their name that sent spam. Therefore, when one of your users
spams, the victims see "powernet" and think WOO HOO, SPAMHAUS
and not even bother to complain. They just ask their own
ISPs to block you.

If this is true then it is unfortunate that spammers have made us
distrust each other based on something silly like our domain
name.

-- 
Reverse "com" and "frenzy" to reply or
use rritzman(at)mindspring(dot)com



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From: kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com>
Subject: Re: Mpowernet.com on spam (an open letter to all admins)
Date: 1998/10/09
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cd@com.frenzy wrote:
> 
> kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com> wrote:
> 
> [snippage]
> 
> > Thank you for your time.
> 
> I remember the first time you posted about this a year or so
> ago and I asked Mindspring to remove you from the spaminator.
> I'm sorry to see that you are still having problems with this.
	Thanks, yeah things were getting better for a while then, suddenly, about 2
months ago all hell started to break loose.  I have no idea why yet, and we have
already lost a few clients but so it goes...

Actually we have made it into sort of a hobby to browse the web for our name on
spam lists, I was shocked when I discovered that a yahoo search for us brings up
mostly spam lists =)

> This may sound silly but I think one of the reasons that some
> admins are reluctant to remove you from their blacklists is your
> domain name. 
	Actually its not such a silly idea at all.  The idea crossed my mind a few
times.  We used to go by the name of "Marketing Power networks"  While that is
still our official name we, for obvious reasons, no longer use it in our
communications...  You live and learn, and grow.

> If this is true then it is unfortunate that spammers have made us
> distrust each other based on something silly like our domain
> name.

	Yes :-( So many things have changed about the Internet in only 3 or so years,
this distrust has filtered down to even the common user and this is a shame,
still its life I guess...

Thanks for your feedback !



-- 
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"There is nothing more difficult to 	-- http://oz.uc.edu/~southakj/
take in and,more perilous to conduct,	-- kamals@mpowernet.com
or more uncertain in its success, than	-- southakj@email.uc.edu				
to take the lead in a new order of things."	--(513)381-surf
	-Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince"	
"Coffee: black as hell, strong as death, sweet as love" 
	-Turkish proverb
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From: Jason Steiner <jason@gaydeceiver.com>
Subject: Re: Mpowernet.com on spam (an open letter to all admins)
Date: 1998/10/09
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kamal  <kamals@mpowernet.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, yeah things were getting better for a while then, suddenly, 
> about 2 months ago all hell started to break loose.  I have no idea 
> why yet, and we have already lost a few clients but so it goes...

Sorry you're still having problems. I suspect that this will become
less of a problem as centralized blackholes like ORBS and RBL increase
in popularity. It's much easier to get out of one or two than several
hundred.

I'm definitely going to refer to this thread the next time a site 
expresses a willingness to host spammers.  Maybe it'll be enough to
scare 'em straight.

jason

-- 
      "You know it's a quality review when they differentiate between
         profanity and obscenity." - Rev. Sean O'Hara, referring to
       http://movieguide.crosswalk.com/ccn/movieguide.nsf/main/Blade
jason@gaydeceiver.com                             http://www.gaydeceiver.com



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From: Jean-Francois Stenuit <jfs@skynet.i8spam.be>
Subject: New kind of usenet abuse
Date: 1998/10/19
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A new kind of network abuse has appeared. 

I was looking for my posting of yesterday evening and I was surprised
to see that somebody used the "Supersedes:" header to simply erase my
message !!!

I already installed a path filter on news.BuyBroadway.com. I may
insert a new rule in cleanfeed to accept only posts with a validated
"nntp-posting-host" field, but this may be faked as well. The ideal
situation would imply every serious news administrator to migrate to
usenet2, but it's quite utopic.

What kind of action can be taken against this new kind of DoS ?

Any idea welcome.

Here is the the offending message :

Message-ID: <5l8QrttIjd8.4SFchUld5.e3q7CY5rYBPqMu@skynet.i8spam.be>
Supersedes: <362B0DBE.5FFB@skynet.i8spam.be>
Subject: nnrpd actived problems
From: Jean-Francois Stenuit <jfs@skynet.i8spam.be>
Date: 18 Oct 1998 18:27:36 GMT
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.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-b.ais.net
!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.BuyBroadway.com!skynet.i8spam.be!jfs
Xref: newsfeed.skynet.be alt.gothic:256738 relcom.rec.puzzles.aux:1331 
news.software.nntp:475

This message posted as a free public service to the usenet community.

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Date: 1998/10/19
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:44:47 +0200, Jean-Francois Stenuit <jfs@skynet.
i8spam.be> wrote:
>A new kind of network abuse has appeared. 

It's not new, has been around for some time.

>I was looking for my posting of yesterday evening and I was surprised
>to see that somebody used the "Supersedes:" header to simply erase my
>message !!!
>
>What kind of action can be taken against this new kind of DoS ?

You didn't mention what news software/version you're running.  IIRC, newer 
versions of most major packages either have fixed Supersedes: processing, or 
patches are available to do it.

jms



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Subject: Re: Counsel
Date: 1998/10/25
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You are still off topic big dumb dave. Please stop having the last spam
in metapsych

Dave Ratcliffe wrote:
> 
> In<3630CB09.54B0@earthlink.net>, EH Wollmann <arcturian1@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> |Dave Ratcliffe wrote:
> |> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:35:50 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <wollmann@edmond.hwo>
> |> wrote:
> |> >Then why do you keep reviving alt.dev.null headers and promoting more
> |> >spamming here?
> |
> |> "Reviving" Ed? You're the one who keeps whacking out newsgroups and setting
> |> Followups-To: alt.dev.null.
> |
> |You just revived it again.
> 
> No, Ed. I removed it. You put it back. That what "reviving" is. It appears
> english is not your primary language. Perhaps that's the root of all your
> problems here. You simply don't understand what people are telling you.
> 
> |Well if you don't want posts in certain groups and I whack them out
> |thats a good thing. Stop placing metapsych in the header only to post
> |more derogatory crap about me-is that what newsgroups are for? I thought
> |they were to discuss the topics. What astrology would you like to
> |discuss "kookiser" boy?
> 
> "Kookiser boy"? That's damn childish of you, Ed. And not at all unexpected.
> 
> Seeing as how you set Followups-To: alt.dev.null how could you expect me to
> discuss _any_ astrology?
> 
> | Or do you have anything in your brain besides
> |smart ass remarks?
> 
> This from the person who keeps grousing about ad hominem remarks from
> others.
> 
> Ed, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
> 
> --
> Dave Ratcliffe
> dave@frackit.com

-- 
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.          
� 1998 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
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From: dan@psicounselSPAM_YOT.com (Dan Kettler)
Subject: SBC Internet Services writes defamation and falsehood
Date: 1998/11/01
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Author: Nick Nicholas
Email:  policy@pbi.net
Date:   1998/11/01
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Nick Nicholas                       SBC Internet Services
Regional Policy Manager             303 Second Street
policy@pbi.net                      San Francisco, CA  94107

Writing of Edmond Wollmann:

           He has, however, found support in Dan Kettler, 
           1997 KotY...

The above statement (1997 kotY) is, in my opinion, disgusting,
stupid, and immature, especially coming from an INTERNET SERVICE
PROVIDER, a large company.  A total of no more than 40 people out
of many thousands of people on USENET, declared that I was,
supposedly, a "kook," and you mention this in official
correspondence, as if what I've written has less merit because of
it.

FANATICS call me a "kook" and that is supposed to have meaning.  
They write this to discredit me, so that what I write about their
FANATICAL cult activity will not be believed...

           http://www.psicounsel.com/cult.html

You are writing like a child, as an official of a large
corporation.  My writing points to the nature of this FANATICISM,
FROM CULTISTS and has been available to you. The URLs are
referenced on USENET, which you have read to investigate my
allegations.

The fact is that FANATICS run certain portions of USENET, at this
point, and your company has for years, and now continues to
support this FANATICISM.

Now we have false statements from an INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER:

          Mr. Kettler claims authority over alt.paranormal...

I have not claimed "authority" over alt.paranormal, and the FAQ
explicitly states the fact that the FAQ writers do not claim
legal authority of the writing.  None of my correspondence with
you indicates a "claim" of "authority."

The following statement about messages, also, is false:

           ...which also has competing charters, 
           with Mr. Kettler's charter prohibiting 
           any messages critical of the paranormal.

The matter of the CHARTER was explained to you, in e-mail, after
your company objected to the fact of more than one FAQ and
CHARTER.  It is explained here...

           http://www.psicounsel.com/altparfaq.txt

"Competing" so-called "charters" have been written with
fraudulent claims of votes, and fraudulent statements such as ALL
PREVIOUS CHARTERS ARE REVOKED.  FAQs, for the most part, are
written by people who denegrate and lie about proponents who post
in these newsgroups.  They are instruments of attempted control
by people who declare, quite positively, that they do not feel
there is any such thing as the paranormal.  Their activity, on
USENET, is such that they dissuade people who do believe there is
such a thing as the paranormal, from posting.  More on this at...

           http://www.psicounsel.com/faqchaos.html

I have not "prohibited" any messages "critical of the
paranormal."  The FAQ and CHARTER does not "prohibit" any such
messages.  What I have asked you to do, is to curtail the
abusive, harassing, libelous, activities of your client, activity
that is directly contrary to your AUP (acceptable use policy).

You have chosen, instead, to write FALSEHOOD (which I doubt are
mistakes) on the INTERNET, along with denigrating remarks about
me ("kook"). I will be sure (and others will also) that your
activities of support for FANATICSM, and your false public
statements are known by many proponents of the paranormal, UFO
research, astrology and New Age ideas.
         
I will be sure, also, that those with authority, above yours, are
aware of your activities.


                dan (at) psicounsel . com

             http: / / www . psicounsel . com





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> Medicine Man wrote:
> > 
> > fa13 <fa13@fa13.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm beginning to suspect that Medicine Man (back@the.ranch) is part of
> > > the whole evil plot. For example:
> > >
> > > ? Takamura <ktakamura@hagiophage.com> wrote:
> > > ?
> > > ? > In a brazen Usenet assault, fa13@fa13.com (fa13), clearly not from
> > > ? > "m e o w", post-bombed this binary:
> > > ? >
> > > ? > � I'm beginning to suspect that Medicine Man (back@the.ranch) is part of
> > > ? > � the whole evil plot. For example:
> > > ? > �
> > > ? > � ? fa13 <fa13@fa13.com> wrote:
> > > ? > � ?
> > > ? > � ? > I'm beginning to suspect that Medicine Man (back@the.ranch) is
> > > ? > � ? > part of the whole evil plot. For example:
> > > ? > � ? >
> > > ? > � ? > ? fa13 <fa13@fa13.com> wrote:
> > > ? > � ? > ?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > I'm beginning to suspect that Takamura
> > > ? > � ? > ? > (ktakamura@hagiophage.com) is part of the whole evil plot. For
> > > ? > � ? > ? > example:
> > > ? > � ? > ? >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? In a brazen Usenet assault, back@the.ranch (Medicine Man),
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? clearly not from "John Dillinger Died For You",
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? post-bombed this binary:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � Takamura <ktakamura@hagiophage.com> wrote:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > In a brazen Usenet assault, back@the.ranch (Medicine Man),
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > clearly not from "John Dillinger Died For You",
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > post-bombed this binary:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � Takamura <ktakamura@hagiophage.com> wrote:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > In a brazen Usenet assault, free@last.hooray (Medicine
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > Man), clearly not from "John Dillinger Died For You",
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > post-bombed
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > this binary:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � Takamura <ktakamura@hagiophage.com> wrote:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > In a brazen Usenet assault, jmccread@ican.ca
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > (Jelliebun), clearly not from "ICAN.Net Customer",
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > post-bombed this
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > binary:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � flaagg@not.valid.net (FlaaggX) wrote:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >In article
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � ><MPG.10a3ff86e3d5132898986a@news.alt.net>, fa13
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � ><fa13@fa13.com> writes...
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] I'm beginning to suspect that Takamura
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] (ktakamura@hagiophage.com) is part of the
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] whole evil plot. For example:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? In a brazen Usenet assault, fa13@fa13.com
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? (fa13), clearly not from "m e o w",
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? post-bombed this
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? binary:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � I'm beginning to suspect that Takamura
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � (ktakamura@hagiophage.com) is part of the
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � whole evil plot. For example:
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? Caputo-Sama has threatened to fire a
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? HERF gun at me and cause other
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? unpleasant tortures if I keep
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? cross-posting
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? like a
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Kichigai.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? I must comply to keep head on neck!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? Must....Not....Cross....Post!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? I can only hope this is some
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? heinous UPA troll, but I fear it is
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? not.  I suppose
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? this means I'll have to be
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? ON-TOPIC!  Feh!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? So.  Was Karl Malden in any alien
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � vampire movies?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Um, dunno ... I don't know anything about
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � vampires. Do I have to stop cross-posting
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � too, now?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ? Heh.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � I recieved the same. It is indeed a
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � dark day.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � I would think crossposting would be
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � ok if it doesn't cause any problems -
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � afk-mn, af and
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � avfff, as
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � opposed to afk-mn,rsg, and
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? � afh, correct?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? This is what I'm thinking.  However, he
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? did add "cascading".  I've got a query
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] ? in to him.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] I would also imagine that would be fine
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � if done where it is welcome.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] Which would be...anywhere on Usenet!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Muaaahaahaaa!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] NO! NO! I'M KIDDING! Just a joke!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >] Ahem.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >I aint altopian
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >cant stop me
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � >fucker
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � JungleAcid ain't altopian and I just got a call
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � that the fuckers stopped him.  No more ISP.  I'm
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � weeping until our
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � boy comes back to
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � us.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Hmm, Smee whapped at work by Jerry Brenner (who
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � I emailed and he admitted freely it was he who
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � did it), JungleAcid
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � nuked, 2-belo
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � crippled ...
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING TO USENET?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � If cross-posting is against the TOS of one's ISP
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � then why is one still able to send cross-posted
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � articles through
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � their server?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Are we
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � talking favouritism?  SOME crossposts are
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � OK, others are not? Censorship of the ones
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � that don't post
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � according to some
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � hidden agenda?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Fuck, I'm getting paranoid now.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > � Someone hold me, or at least pass me a beer ...
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > Let's go straight to the saki.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � > BTW:  Why would Jerry Brenner get Smee
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � "whapped"?  And what is "whapped"?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � Pass the methylated spirit.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � Brenner thought Smee was flooding a newsgroup based
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � on a slew of obvious forgeries posted under her
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � name. Showed himself up
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � for the fuckhead that
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > � he is, basically.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > Well, then expose him in nanau.  Nothing better than a
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � > flagellate getting H2SO4 poured over it.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > � He exposes himself in nanau on a regular basis.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � > Ewww!
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? �
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? � Precisely. I am still quite overwrought at the sight.
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ?
> > > ? > � ? > ? > ? There should be a netcop NG to which we can complain!
> > > ? > � ? > ? >
> > > ? > � ? > ? > I could only find alt.asylum.netcop.wannabe and
> > > ? > � ? > ? alt.lamers.netcop.
> > > ? > � ? > ?
> > > ? > � ? > ? Proposal: new.admin.netcop.fuckhead.jerry-brenner
> > > ? > � ? >
> > > ? > � ? > Proposal: new.admin.netcop.fuckhead.stalker.jerry-brenner
> > > ? > � ?
> > > ? > � ? Proposal: news.admin.netcop.fuckhead.stalker.coprophage.jerry-brenner
> > > ? > �
> > > ? > � Proposal: news.admin.netcop.fuckhead.stalker.coprophage.humorless.jerry-
> > > ? > � brenner
> > > ? >
> > > ? > Proposal: news.admin.binaries.cwc.and.jb.coprophilia
> > > ?
> > > ? Proposal:
> > > ? new.admin.binaries.sex.non-consensual.anal.oral.nasal.skullfuck.amputee.
> > > ? jerry-brenner
> > >
> > > Proposal: news.admin.sex.fetish.phone.with-cows-and-anything-with-
> > > hooves.touching-himself-now-probably.jerry-brenner
> > 
> > Proposal:
> > news.admin.sex.fetish.jerry-brenner-and-a-pig.don't-fancy-yours-
> > much.i'll-take-the-pig
> 
> Proposal:  
> news.admin.sex.fetish.man-golfclub-up-asshole-love.jerry-brenner

This has no place in the admin groups! Please stop cross-posting it there!

> > :::::::::::::::::::::: M E D I C I N E   M A N ::::::::::::::::::::::
> > ::::::: Pope, Bishop, Vicar and Tea Lady of the Church of One :::::::
> 



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Subject: Re: Let's set the record straight, shall we?! (Was Re: In the wake of Jay Longshore's postings...)
Date: 1998/11/29
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< > > Jay Longshore posted:
< > > A fool on this newsgroup (whose email address I've kept for further
< > > reference) wrote:
< > > 
< > > > > >On the other hand, that Jay Longshore guy doesn't even
< > > > > >know his own stuff he's spewing, and yet decide to
< > > > > >defend himself (when it's all pointless) and even dares
< > > > > >to cross-post into two home game ngs. Talk about ruining
< > > > > >your online rep. I'm a regular lurker in the Sega
< > > > > >newsgroups, and I've never seen any posts from him there,
< > > > > >and he's now pitting them against the Sony posters. He's
< > > > > >lucky no one mailbombed him already.
< > > 
< > > 1.  Threatening to mailbomb ANYONE can land you with no internet account
< > > to use.  Think about that.  All it takes it *one* message to your
< > > postmaster about your intentions, chum.
< > > 
< > > 2.  Why SHOULDN'T I cross post to home game newsgroups when it's HOME
< > > GAME CONSOLE VERSIONS OF THESE GAMES we're talking about??!  Please get
< > > a clue, it's relevant to those groups as well as alt.games.sf2!!!  And,
< > > I'm NOT pitting anyone against anyone.  I crossposted to the Sony group
< > > when the initial message(s) concerned Darkstalkers 3, a game on their
< > > own console.  That was certainly relevant.  I've only crossposted to the
< > > Sega newsgroups when the predominant talk was about how the Saturn
< > > versions of these games are superior (a fact that everyone who is vocal
< > > on that Sega newsgroup would agree with me on).
< > > 
< > > 3.  I DO "know my stuff".  I daresay I've been playing video games a
< > > helluva lot longer than yourself.  I know my systems.  And I know which
< > > of them currently is the best.  And I'm not a teenager, either.  I own
< > > these games and 5 different systems, I play them on a daily basis, and
< > > I've done extensive comparisons of BOTH Saturn and PlayStation versions
< > > side by side.
< > > 
< > > 4.  I've posted before in the Sega (and Sony and Nintendo) newsgroups.
< > > I also read those groups on a daily basis, since I own and use systems
< > > made by all three companies.  You apparently haven't seen the posts.
< > > Too bad.
< > > 
< > > 5.  Please take note of the fact that of ALL the posts currently in this
< > > newsgroup that are in response to my initial 2 messages--I have
< > > responded to *very* few of them.  People simply are not willing to drop
< > > the subject once they know that they are wrong about the Saturn
< > > versions.  They continue to make their plea for the GreyStation and even
< > > justify what it is not capable of doing.  That, and much of the topic
< > > has metaphorphasized into other subjects which have nothing to do with
< > > my 2 original posts.
< > > 
< > > --
< > > JDL
< > > 

this whining is off-topic in all crossposted newsgroups. please stop this flagrant net abuse or i will be 
forced to report you to your isp.



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From: kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com>
Subject: Possible Net Abuse (please respond)
Date: 1998/12/07
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	Good day, I work for Mpowernet.com, a small ISP.  We have reasons to suspect
that one of our users may be engaged in substantial forged usenet abuse, if any
news admins have canceled spams that appear to have orginated from mpowernet.com
(209.31.108.x) *please* contact us at once.  we take these issues very seriously

Thank you
-- 
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or more uncertain in its success, than	
to take the lead in a new order of things."
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A secret, once lost, is gone forever and cannot be regained. 
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From: jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco)
Subject: Re: Possible Net Abuse (please respond)
Date: 1998/12/07
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In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet article <366C36DD.BA359C97@mpowernet.com>, kamals@mpowernet.com wrote:
:	Good day, I work for Mpowernet.com, a small ISP.  We have reasons to suspect
:that one of our users may be engaged in substantial forged usenet abuse, if any
:news admins have canceled spams that appear to have orginated from mpowernet.com
:(209.31.108.x) *please* contact us at once.  we take these issues very seriously

I don't see any messages (other than yours) in the last several days that
has originated from

*.mpowernet.com

or

209.31.108.*

... JG



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From: lepton@panix.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Snappy Comebacks, Inc.(Was:The AOL newsreader essentially is destroyed for ARS (Re: Rough Tough Cream Puffs)
Date: 1998/12/10
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In article <19981210083045.21481.00000493@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
mikesmith3@aol.com (MikeSmith3) wrote:

> [Crossposted to news.admin.net-abuse usenet]
[...]
> Mike-O:
[...]
> >> >> They could then pass the information to law enforcement
> >> >> so they can make a case.
> 
> MS3:
> >> Sure thing Mike, let's get started at panics.com
> 
> Mike-O:
> >> >> I see one main problem being that big-league denial-of-service
> >> >> spammers use multiple ISPs and currently there is no way to bring
> >> >> this information together. Instead of having each ISP disclose the
> >> >> identity of every little alleged spammer, I'm suggesting it disclose 
> >> >> to some central place where the info from different ISPs can be
> >> >> compared.
> 
> MS3: 
> >> I suggest the Usenet Death Penalty for anyone who attempts to
> >> rearrange your sock drawer too.
> 
> KW: 
> >> >Might this be a job for the EFF?
> 
> MS3: 
> >> Perhaps Captain America, Spider Man,  Johnny "The Human Torch"
> >>or The Thing.
> 
> Mike-O
> >You sound afraid, fearful of something. What is it? As a career
> >Scientologist, should you be feeling that way?
> 
> Mike those are some impressive words but you'll have to try harder to impress
> the nanau chicks.  Hang on a sec... I got another idea for you.  Head down to
> your nearest "Irish Only" whiskey hall in the hood and try out your newest
> material on some of the cops that hang out there.  I think you'll get some
> immediate "feedback".
> 
> Oh- BTW your photo could use a bit of retouching.  All those shades of brown
> are really gauche. Get creative. Lens Crafters is a good place to start.

You work on behalf of Scientology, right? You are following the sacred
scripture of Scientology, right? Matching "tone", "enturbulating", these
are Scientology techniques, right? The technique is never to defend,
always "start our attack with their first breath" and never let up. The
sacred scripture orders you to turn any critical discussion away from the
cult and on to a defense of the critic, in any way. "Shift the spotlight
to them. No matter how. Do it!" Your plan, as dictated by sacred
scripture, is to cause the critic to get upset and defend himself against
accusations real or imagined. It's hard not to try to refute an accusation
or insult, and it frequently takes the person's mind off their original
subject - the thriving cult of greed and power, as TIME magazine calls it.
You are simply following your sacred duty, right?

++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++

NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology.  ONLY agree to an
investigation of the attackers.

This is correct procedure:

(1)  Spot who is attacking us.

(2)  Start Investigating them promptly for FELONIES or worse using our own
professionals, not outside agencies.

(3)  Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them.

(4)  Start feeding lurid, blood, sex, crime actual evidence on the
attackers to the press.

Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us.  Make it rough, rough
on attackers all the way.

You can get "reasonable about it" and lose.  Sure we break no laws.  Sure
we have nothing to hide.  BUT attackers are simply an anti-Scientology
propaganda agency so far as we are concerned.  They have proven they have
no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover.  So BANISH all
ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their
first breath.  Never wait.  Never talk about us - only them.  Use their
blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us .

I speak from 15 years of experience in this.  There has never yet been an
attacker who was not reeking with crime.  All we had to do was look for it
and murder would come out.
[...]

Shift the spotlight to them.  No matter how.  Do it!

You can elaborate on the formula.  Let's say some other branch of
government wants to investigate us via the press. Just apply the formula.

"We welcome a public enquiry into (that branch activity) as we have begun
to investigate their (------)."  It will always work.  It would have
worked on the U.S. F.D.A. when they first began five years ago in their
raid on D.C.  They run!  And that's all we want.

  -- L. Ron Hubbard

++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++

This is standard, 1 2 3 action and should not be deviated from.  The maxim
is .. "when under attack .. attack".  The point is .. even if you don't
have enough data to win the case .. still attack .. LOUDLY.  Reason is, it
is only those people that have crimes that will attack us, and they will
soon back off for fear of being found out when attacked back.
[...]

At this instance there are men hiding in terror on Earth because they
found out what they were attacking. There are men dead because they
attacked us -for instance Dr Joe Winter. He simply realied what he did and
died. There are men bankrupt because they attacked us - Purcell, Ridgeway,
Ceppos. 

So punishment almost takes care of itself. However. there is an immediacy
necessary at times in some matters which makes punishment necessary. 

  -- L. Ron Hubbard

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We see this and many other similar sacred instructions followed daily on
a.r.s to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the perceived enemy.
Like you, they are effectively anonymous. The cult knows it is breaking
laws, is expert at it, and knows how to keep just enough distance. I'm a
nothing and get little attention, but others get plenty of attention. It's
easy to see on a.r.s. And for the cult, a.r.s itself is a serious enemy.
The cult believes a.r.s is an organization, with leaders and a budget.
They call it a "Hill 10" situation, a problem of the highest order. a.r.s
must be destroyed at any cost. It must be controlled, or if that can not
be done, overwhelmed.

The cult believes that overwhelming an entity causes it to introvert,
which in the cult's redefinition (they have a whole dictionary of
redefined words) means they will shut up. Overwhelming a.r.s with spam is
a sacred duty. They have all the time, money, and staff they need, and
they are required to do it in the name of religion. With tax-free money.

++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++

The goal of the [Scientology] department [of governmental affairs in its
OSA] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into
a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology.  This is
done by a high level ability to control and in its absence by a low level
ability to overwhelm.  Introvert such agencies.  Control such agencies.

  -- L. Ron Hubbard

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

MikeSmith3, if' I'm wrong in some fact, straighten me out. I always say
that, but you've never even tried. Because the sacred orders are to attack
and never defend. Right? To insult an accuser with allegations real or
imagined, to bend his conversation off the subject of the cult and onto a
defense of himself. We've seen it a thousand times in a.r.s.

This spam is to deny service. It also involves forgery. It is done
according to sacred scripture that says to overwhelm hostile philosophies,
if you can't control them. It's breaking Federal law. With tax-free money.
If the Feds wish to enforce law on the U.S. Internet this is a great place
to start. Let the Feds determine the identity of the major U.S. spammers
in this attack. I betcha a buck it leads right to the cult.

-- 
Mike O'Connor - lepton@panix.com
http://www.panix.com/~lepton/



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From: kamal <kamals@mpowernet.com>
Subject: Re: Possible Net Abuse (please respond)
Date: 1998/12/15
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Thanks, still I have a very bad feeling.  We have had two cancel bot
autopostings and our upstream provider concentric also recieved them.  After a
while we were able to roughly correlate 
their time stanps, ip addys, and ports to one particular user.  Still we do not
have *hard* proof so, we wait...


In the future if anyone does notice such misdeeds from us feel *more* than free
to contact us 


-- 
-------------------------------
"Cuando amor no es locura, no es amor. " -- http://www.mpowernet.com
(When love is not madness, it is not love.)  -- kamals@mpowernet.com
	-anonymous			 -- webspinner@mpowernet.com
					   --(5 1 3) 3 8 1 - S U R F
That which is hidden and secret will eventually be revealed. 
A secret, once lost, is gone forever and cannot be regained. 
Security through secrecy is largely a myth.
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From: Rob Hite <hite@inet.net>
Subject: ISP ANTI-SPAM DECLARATION: INET.NET
Date: 1998/12/18
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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse

Dear Internet Colleagues:

This week, the uninformed statement of a now FORMER employee of INET
COMMUNICATIONS, INC. (INET.NET) was posted to this newsgroup.

As the manager of the INET.NET domain, I would like to clarify and
publish our position on internet spam.  INET COMMUNICATIONS, INC. is
vehemently against spam, and our terms and conditions expressly prohibit
spam, fraud, and misuse of any account by any of our subscribers.  Such
actions are grounds for termination of service to any of our customers.

I hereby request that INET.NET and all related domains be removed from
any spam blacklists or mail blocks on the network.   Please be aware
that any future spam originating from one of our domains will be
combated and stopped immediately upon notification, and the culprits
terminated.   If you have any questions about our anti-spam policy or
would like to speak or write to me directly, please feel free to do
so.   Thank you very much, and please count on my cooperation to keep
the internet a safe and clean place.

Regards,
Rob Hite

--
Rob Hite, Jr.                                        Manager, Technical
Support
iNet Communications, Inc.                  hite@inet.net
260 Chapman Rd., Suite 208               (302) 454-1780
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From: Kooksmeller Persuivant <KP@virgin.net>
Subject: Re:Gary Burnore's splash-back
Date: 1998/12/20
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anonym� wrote:
> 
> "Gary L. Burnore" wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:31:37 -0800, in article
> > <367C1B2F.790E9F99@pacbell.net>, anonym� <anonym@pacbell.net> wrote:

> > >WARNING! Vile and objectionable pic lies at this URL!

Why post such URL to an unrelated newsgroup? Does your ISP not think
that is net-abuse?
> > >
http://home.pacbell.net/anonym/rickylickydonkeydicky.JPG
> > >
> > >Don't go unless you can handle extreme graphics!

If it does, you must be a tad mentally ill.
Only a fuckwit or a pervert would attempt to go there..
> > How obscene.  It should be taken down.  Note sent to abuse@pacbell

<sigh> ...or both.
> 
> I TOLD you not to go unless you could handle it!



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From: Rob Hite <robhite@ns1>
Subject: Re: REPOST: ISP ANTI-SPAM DECLARATION: INET.NET
Date: 1998/12/27
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Hello Steve:

Thank you for looking at our terms of service on our website. 
When obtaining service from iNet Communications, Inc., All of our
customers are required to read, sign, and return a copy of our terms and
conditions.  Yes, it is possible for subscibers to miss our abuse of
service clause, or it is quite possible that our customers sign the terms
and conditions of service without reading them thoroughly.   However,
adherence to these terms is implied by use of the service, and we
terminate the service of those clients who do not comply.   

Once again, if you have any questions about iNet Communications, do not
hesitate to contact me!

Regards,
Rob Hite

-- 
Rob Hite, Jr.                              	Manager, Technical Support  
iNet Communications, Inc.              		hite@inet.net
260 Chapman Rd., Suite 208			In DE: (302) 454-1780 or
Newark, DE 19702      				Toll-free (888) 399-iNet    



On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Steve Nichols wrote:

> I check out the web site, didn't see much in the way of "vehemence" towards
> spam, I could have missed something ad the TOS was difficult to find (but I
> did find it).  I didn't see anything directly speaking to unsolicited
> broadcast e-mail, unsolicited commercial e-mail, nor even referred to as
> "spam".
> 
> If I missed it, spammers could easily miss it.
> 
> Tried to send "Rob" a note, but I but my system kept crashing...






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From: elf@efga.org (Peter J. Elfman)
Subject: DragonCon.net Receives Subpoena for User Records
Date: 1998/12/29
Message-ID: <368951b8.166545770@news2.serversystems.net>#1/1
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Organization: Electronic Frontiers Georgia (http://www.efga.org)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:02:48 -0500
To: announce@efga.org
From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh@efga.org>
Subject: [EFGA] DragonCon.net Receives Subpoena for User Records
Sender: owner-announce@efga.org
Reply-To: owner-announce@efga.org
X-URL: http://www.efga.org

    DRAGONCON.NET RECEIVES SUBPOENA FOR USER RECORDS

This week DragonCon.net, a free email service, received a Subpoena
requesting information on one of its users including

    the true and correct legal name, IP addresses, E-mail addresses, 
    E-mail headers and postal address

The matter has been referred to attorneys to see if the Subpoena is
valid and should be complied with.  DragonCon.net places a high value
on the privacy of it's users and will not release user info based on a
casual request.

http://www.dragoncon.net is a privacy friendly email forwarding and
newsgroup posting service using technology developed by Electronic
Frontiers Georgia (EFGA) <http://www.efga.org>.  EFGA is known for
it's leadership in the worldwide anonymous remailer community, the
Georgia Cracker remailer <http://anon.efga.org>, and as the original
plaintiff in the internet anonymity case ACLU vs. Miller.
DragonCon.net has been a way to extend a form of privacy and anonymity
to those who wish for some anonymity in communications without the
burden of encryption imposed by the Cypherpunk remailer system.

Dragon*Con <http://www.dragoncon.org> is a science fiction and fantasy
convention held each year in Atlanta, Georgia.  DragonCon.net is a
free email service for members of Dragon*Con which also allows anyone
else to have an email account.  DragonCon.net, the email service, is
operated independently of Dragon*Con by a third party company.  Says
Chairman Ed Kramer of Dragon*Con, "Dragoncon.net is run by an
independent company; we have no control over their policies.  However,
we certainly respect the privacy of our members and support the
pro-privacy polices of the internet service towards their users.
We've been told that attorneys are reviewing irregularities in the
subpoena, and the internet service may be forced to not honor it."

For more information contact 

  Robert A. Costner
  pooh@efga.org




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From: penn@att.net (Penn Hackney)
Subject: Re: DragonCon.net Receives Subpoena for User Records
Date: 1998/12/31
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:15:13 GMT, elf@efga.org (Peter J. Elfman)
wrote:

>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:02:48 -0500
>To: announce@efga.org
>From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh@efga.org>
>Subject: [EFGA] DragonCon.net Receives Subpoena for User Records
>Sender: owner-announce@efga.org
>Reply-To: owner-announce@efga.org
>X-URL: http://www.efga.org
>
>    DRAGONCON.NET RECEIVES SUBPOENA FOR USER RECORDS
>
>This week DragonCon.net, a free email service, received a Subpoena
>requesting information on one of its users including
>
>    the true and correct legal name, IP addresses, E-mail addresses, 
>    E-mail headers and postal address
>
[snip]
I would like to see the source and reasons for the subpoena posted.  

--
============================================================
  penn@att.net               %    Penn Hackney
  penn@betatesters.com       % Disclaimer: all I know I
  http://home.att.net/~penn  % learned from reading Usenet.



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Subject: CERT Advisory CA-99.02 - Trojan Horses
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CERT Advisory CA-99-02-Trojan-Horses

   Original issue date: February 5, 1999
   Last Revised:
   
Systems Affected

   Any system can be affected by Trojan horses.
   
Overview

   Over the past few weeks, we have received an increase in the number
of
   incident reports related to Trojan horses. This advisory includes
   descriptions of some of those incidents (Section II), some general
   information about Trojan horses (Sections I and V), and advice for
   system and network administrators, end users, software developers,
and
   distributors (Section III).
   
   Few software developers and distributors provide a strong means of
   authentication for software products. We encourage all software
   developers and distributors to do so. This means that until strong
   authentication of software is widely available, the problem of
Trojan
   horses will persist. In the meantime, users and administrators are
   strongly encouraged to be aware of the risks as described in this
   document.
   
I. Description

   A Trojan horse is an "apparently useful program containing hidden
   functions that can exploit the privileges of the user [running the
   program], with a resulting security threat. A Trojan horse does
things
   that the program user did not intend" [Summers].
   
   Trojan horses rely on users to install them, or they can be
installed
   by intruders who have gained unauthorized access by other means.
Then,
   an intruder attempting to subvert a system using a Trojan horse
relies
   on other users running the Trojan horse to be successful.
   
II. Recent Incidents

   Incidents involving Trojan horses include the following:
   
False Upgrade to Internet Explorer

   Recent reports indicate wide distribution of an email message which
   claims to be a free upgrade to the Microsoft Internet Explorer web
   browser. However, we have confirmed with Microsoft that they do not
   provide patches or upgrades via electronic mail, although they do
   distribute security bulletins by electronic mail.
   
   The email message contains an attached executable program called
   Ie0199.exe. After installation, this program makes several
   modifications to the system and attempts to contact other remote
   systems.We have received conflicting information regarding the
   modifications made by the Trojan horse, which could be explained by
   the existence of multiple versions of the Trojan horse.
   
   At least one version of the Trojan horse is accompanied by a
message
   which reads, in part:
   
     As an user of the Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft
     Corporation provides you with this upgrade for your web browser.
It
     will fix some bugs found in your Internet Explorer. To install
the
     upgrade, please save the attached file (ie0199.exe) in some
folder
     and run it.
     
   The above message is not from Microsoft.
   
   We encourage you to refer to the Microsoft Internet Explorer web
site
   at the following location:
   
     http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/security/default.asp
     
   Please refer to the Section III below for general solutions to
Trojan
   horses.
   
Trojan Horse Version of TCP Wrappers

   We recently published "CA-99-01-Trojan-TCP-Wrappers," which said
that
   some copies of the source code for the TCP Wrappers tool were
modified
   by an intruder and contain a Trojan horse. The advisory is
available
   at the following location:
   
     http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-01-Trojan-TCP-Wrappers.html
     
Trojan Horse Version of util-linux

   The util-linux distribution includes several essential utilities
for
   linux systems. We have confirmed with the authors of util-linux
that a
   Trojan horse was placed in the file util-linux-2.9g.tar.gz on at
least
   one ftp server between January 22, 1999, and January 24, 1999. This
   Trojan horse could have been distributed to mirror FTP sites.
   
   Within the Trojan horse util-linux distribution the program
/bin/login
   was modified. The modifications included code to send email to an
   intruder that contains the host name and uid of users logging in.
The
   code was also modified to provide anyone with access to a login
prompt
   the capability of executing commands based on their input at the
login
   prompt. There were no other functional modifications made to to the
   Trojan horse util-linux distribution that we are aware of.
   
   A quick check to ensure you do not have the Trojan horse installed
is
   to execute the following command
   
     $ strings /bin/login | grep "HELO"
     
   If that command returns the following output, then your machine has
   the Trojan horse version of util-linux-2.9g installed.
   
     HELO 127.0.0.1
     
   If the above command returns nothing, then you do not have this
   particular Trojan horse installed.
   
   You cannot rely on the modification date of the file
   util-linux-2.9g.tar.gz because the Trojan horse version has the
same
   size and time stamp as the original version.
   
   In response to the distribution of this Trojan horse, the authors
of
   util-linux have released util-linux-2.9h.tar.gz. This file is
   available via anonymous ftp from:
   
    
ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/util-linux-2.9h.tar
     .gz
     
   Be sure to download and verify the PGP signature as well:
   
    
ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/util-linux-2.9h.tar
     .gz.sign
     
   This package can be verified with the "Linux Kernel Archives" PGP
   Public Key, available from the following URL:
   
     http://www.kernel.org/signature.html
     
Previous Trojan Horses

   Trojan horses are not new entities. A classic description of a
Trojan
   horse is given in [Thompson]. Additionally, you may wish to review
the
   following documents for background and historical information about
   Trojan horses.
   
     http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-01-Trojan-TCP-Wrappers.html
     
     http://www.cert.org/vul_notes/VN-98.07.backorifice.html
     
    
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-94.14.trojan.horse.in.IRC.client.
     for.UNIX.html
     
    
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-94.07.wuarchive.ftpd.trojan.horse
     .html
     
     http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-94.05.MD5.checksums.html
     
    
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-94.01.ongoing.network.monitoring.
     attacks.html
     
     http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-90.11.Security.Probes.html
     
III. Impact

   Trojan horses can do anything that the user executing the program
has
   the privileges to do. This includes
     * deleting files that the user can delete
     * transmitting to the intruder any files that the user can read
     * changing any files the user can modify
     * installing other programs with the privileges of the user, such
as
       programs that provide unauthorized network access
     * executing privilege-elevation attacks, that is the Trojan horse
       can attempt to exploit a vulnerability to increase the level of
       access beyond that of the user running the Trojan horse. If
this
       is successful, the Trojan horse can operate with the increased
       privileges.
     * installing viruses
     * installing other Trojan horses
       
   If the user has administrative access to the operating system, the
   Trojan horse can do anything that an administrator can. The Unix
   'root' account, the Microsoft Windows NT 'administrator' account,
or
   any user on a single-user operating system has administrative
access
   to the operating system. If you use one of these accounts, or a
   single-user operating system (e.g., Windows 95 or MacOS), keep in
mind
   the potential for increased impact of a Trojan horse.
   
   A compromise of any system on your network, including a compromise
   through Trojan horses, may have consequences for the other systems
on
   your network. Particularly vulnerable are systems that transmit
   authentication material, such as passwords, over shared networks in
   cleartext or in a trivially encrypted form. This is very common. If
a
   system on such a network is compromised via a Trojan horse (or
another
   method) the intruder may be able to install a network sniffer and
   record usernames and passwords or other sensitive information as it
   traverses the network.
   
   Additionally, a Trojan horse, depending on the actions it takes,
may
   implicate your site as the source of an attack and may expose your
   organization to liability.
   
IV. How Trojan Horses Are Installed

   Users can be tricked into installing Trojan horses by being enticed
or
   frightened. For example, a Trojan horse might arrive in email
   described as a computer game. When the user receives the mail, they
   may be enticed by the description of the game to install it.
Although
   it may in fact be a game, it may also be taking other action that
is
   not readily apparent to the user, such as deleting files or mailing
   sensitive information to the attacker. As another example, an
intruder
   may forge an advisory from a security organization, such as the
CERT
   Coordination Center, that instructs system administrators to obtain
   and install a patch.
   
   Other forms of "social engineering" can be used to trick users into
   installing or running Trojan horses. For example, an intruder might
   telephone a system administrator and pose as a legitimate user of
the
   system who needs assistance of some kind. The system administrator
   might then be tricked into running a program of the intruder's
design.
   
   Software distribution sites can be compromised by intruders who
   replace legitimate versions of software with Trojan horse versions.
If
   the distribution site is a central distribution site whose contents
   are mirrored by other distribution sites, the Trojan horse may be
   downloaded by many sites and spread quickly throughout the Internet
   community.
   
   Because the Domain Name System (DNS) does not provide strong
   authentication, users may be tricked into connecting to sites
   different that the ones they intend to connect to. This could be
   exploited by an intruder to cause users to download a Trojan horse,
or
   to cause users to expose confidential information.
   
   Intruders may install Trojan horse versions of system utilities
after
   they have compromised a system. Often, collections of Trojan horses
   are distributed in toolkits that an intruder can use to compromise
a
   system and conceal their activity after the compromise, e.g., a
   toolkit might include a Trojan horse version of ls which does not
list
   files owned by the intruder. Once an intruder has gained
   administrative access to your systems, it is very difficult to
   establish trust in it again without rebuilding the system from
   known-good software. For information on recovering after a
compromise,
   please see
   
     http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/root_compromise.html
     
   A Trojan horse may be inserted into a program by a compiler that is
   itself a Trojan horse. For more information about such an attack
see
   [Thompson].
   
   Finally, a Trojan horse may simply be placed on a web siteto which
the
   intruder entices victims. The Trojan horse may be in the form of a
   Java applet, JavaScript, ActiveX control, or other form of
executable
   content.
   
V. Solutions

   The best advice with respect to Trojan horses is to avoid them in
the
   first place.
     * System administrators (including the users of single-user
systems)
       should take care to verify that every piece of software that is
       installed is from a trusted source and has not been modified in
       transit. When digital signatures are provided, users are
       encouraged to validate the signature (as well as validating the
       public key of the signer). When digital signatures are not
       available, you may wish to acquire software on tangible media
such
       as CDs, which bear the manufacturer's logo. Of course, this is
not
       foolproof either. Without a way to authenticate software, you
may
       not be able to tell if a given piece of software is legitimate
       regardless of the distribution media.
     * We strongly encourage software developers and software
       distributors to use cryptographically strong validation for all
       software they produce or distribute. Any popular technique
based
       on algorithms that are widely believed to be strong will
provide
       users a strong tool to defeat Trojan horses.
     * Anyone who invests trust in digital signatures must also take
care
       to validate any public keys that may be associated with the
       signature. It is not enough for code merely to be signed -- it
       must be signed by a trusted source.
     * Do not execute anything sent to you via unsolicited electronic
       mail.
     * Use caution when executing content such as Java applets,
       JavaScript, or Active X controls from web pages. You may wish
to
       configure your browser to disable the automatic execution of
web
       page content.
     * Apply the principle of least privilege in daily activity: do
not
       retain or employ privileges that are not needed to accomplish a
       given task. For example, do not run with enhanced privilege,
such
       as "root" or "administrator" for ordinary tasks such as reading
       email.
     * Install and configure a tool such as Tripwire� that will allow
you
       to detect changes to system files in a cryptographically strong
       way. For more information about Tripwire�, see
       http://www.cert.org/ftp/tech_tips/security_tools
       Note, however, that Tripwire� is not a foolproof guard against
       Trojan horses. For example, see
       http://www.cert.org/vul_notes/VN-98.02.kernel_mod.html
     * Educate your users regarding the danger of Trojan horses.
     * Use firewalls and virus products that are aware of popular
Trojan
       horses. Although it is impossible to detect all possible Trojan
       horses using a firewall or virus product (because a Trojan
horse
       can be arbitrary code), they may aid you in preventing many
       popular Trojan horses form affecting your systems.
     * Review the source code to any open source products you choose
to
       install. Open source software has an advantage compared to
       proprietary software that the source code can be widely
reviewed
       and any obvious Trojan horses will probably be discovered very
       quickly. However, open source software also tends to be
developed
       by a wide variety of people with little or no central control.
       This makes it difficult to establish trust in a single entity.
       Keep in mind that reviewing source code may be impractical at
       best, and that some Trojan horses may not be evident from a
review
       of the source as described in [Thompson].
     * Adopt the use of cryptographically strong mutual authentication
       systems such as ssh for terminal emulation, X.509 public key
       certificates in web servers, S/MIME or PGP for electronic mail,
       and kerberos for a variety of services. Avoid the use of
systems
       that trust the domain name system for authentication, such as
       telnet, ordinary http (as opposed to https), ftp, or smtp
unless
       your network is specifically designed to support that trust.
     * Do not rely on timestamps, file sizes, or other file attributes
       when trying to determine if a file contains a Trojan horse.
     * Exercise caution when downloading unauthenticated software. If
you
       choose to install software that has not been signed by a
trusted
       source, you may wish to wait for a period of time before
       installing it in order to see if a Trojan horse is discovered.
     * We encourage all security organizations to digitally sign any
       advisories or other alerts. We also recommend that users
validate
       any signatures, and to beware of unsigned security advice. The
       CERT Coordination center signs all ASCII copies of our
advisories
       with our PGP key, available at:
       http://www.cert.org/pgp/CERT_PGP.key
       
   If you do fall victim to a Trojan horse, some anti-virus software
may
   also be able to recognize, remove and repair the damage from the
   Trojan horse. However, if an intruder gains access to your systems
via
   a Trojan horse, it may be difficult or impossible to establish
trust
   in your systems. In this case, we recommend that you disconnect
from
   the network and rebuild your systems from known-good software being
   careful to apply all relevant patches and updates, to change all
   passwords, and to check other nearby systems. For information on
how
   to rebuild a Unix system after a compromise, please see
   
     http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/root_compromise.html
     
References

   [Summers] Summers, Rita C.Secure Computing Threats and Safeguards,
   McGraw-Hill, 1997 An online reference is available from the
publisher.
   
   [Thompson] Thompson, Ken, "Reflections on Trusting Trust,"
   Communications of the ACM 27(8) pp. 761-763 (Aug. 1984); Turing
Award
   lecture.
   
Acknowledgment

   Our thanks to Andries Brouwer for providing information regarding
   util-linux and to the many people who reported information about
   Trojan horse versions of Internet Explorer.
   
   Tripwire is a registered trademark of the Purdue Research
Foundation,
   and it is also licensed to VCC.
  
______________________________________________________________________
   
   This document is available from:
   http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-02-Trojan-Horses.html.
  
______________________________________________________________________
   
CERT/CC Contact Information

   Email: cert@cert.org
          Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline)
          Fax: +1 412-268-6989
          Postal address:
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   CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) /
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   Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during
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Using encryption

   We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by
email.
   Our public PGP key is available from
http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key.
   If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more
   information.
   
Getting security information

   CERT publications and other security information are available from
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   To be added to our mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send
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   Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information can be
   found in http://www.cert.org/legal_stuff.html.
   
   * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S.
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> No offense, but it's completely off-topic here.

It's topical, considering the number of recent posts about people spammed
with the IE0199 trojan by the bozo propagating the thing.

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>No offense, but it's completely off-topic here.

HUH? you call an alert in order to save one's hard-drive through
illegal activities "OFF-TOPIC" ?
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From: steve@blighty.com
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/06
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In article <36bc918d.221253195@news.vianet.on.ca>, SysAdmin@ASPIB.net says...
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>>>
>>> Received this advisory from CERT-- and am passing it along:
>>> Romath
>>>        
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>>[snip]
>>
>>No offense, but it's completely off-topic here.
>
>HUH? you call an alert in order to save one's hard-drive through
>illegal activities "OFF-TOPIC" ?
>Romath

Yes. It may be on topic in your (*spit*) vanity group, and I don't
know about acadia.chat. It's off-topic in all the others.

Cheers,
  Steve

--
-- Steve Atkins -- steve@blighty.com



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From: SysAdmin@ASPIB.net (Romath (Dr. Watson) )
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/06
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On 6 Feb 1999 08:33:02 -0800, steve@blighty.com wrote:

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>>On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:53:49 -0500, Spamster <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>x-no-archive:yes

>
>Yes. It may be on topic in your (*spit*) vanity group, and I don't
>know about acadia.chat. It's off-topic in all the others.
>
>Cheers,
>  Steve
**You call it a vanity group? Hell, all I've done is use it for
fighting spam and sleaze--- and also highly praised your program TO
THE HILT.
Perhaps I should not bother attempting to help others in the
spamfighting battle after all---- it seems that even when a person
stands up for a person or a cause, they still get the backlashing---
Have a pleasant day-
romath

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Please post it to alt.spam, to alt.romath, or send to
  romath@bigfoot.com, romath@usa.net,or Dr.Watson@TheOffice.net
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From: "Mr. Wombat" <Toby@morcelli.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/06
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Ro,
        this might seem a stupid question but what is this trogen
thingy?+i dont think this is stupid posting this, i think it was a good
idea
-------------------------------------------- 
Squiffy_The_Wombat- Acadia's offical wombat 

http://www.morcelli.demon.co.uk/wombat.html

icq=22995288
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From: "Lee C" <lebija@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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Romath (Dr. Watson) wrote in message
<36bc918d.221253195@news.vianet.on.ca>...
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>>>
>>> Received this advisory from CERT-- and am passing it along:
>>> Romath
>>>
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>>[snip]
>>
>>No offense, but it's completely off-topic here.
>
>HUH? you call an alert in order to save one's hard-drive through
>illegal activities "OFF-TOPIC" ?
>Romath
>
I agree with you ro.  Thanks for the info, better to be forwarned.

Zazlee
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>Please post it to alt.spam, to alt.romath, or send to
>  romath@bigfoot.com, romath@usa.net,or Dr.Watson@TheOffice.net
>And be sure to visit:     http://www.ASPIB.someone.net
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From: SysAdmin@ASPIB.net (Romath (Dr. Watson) )
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:04:35 GMT, wbaseley@mindspring.com (WD Baseley)
wrote:


>
>Yepper.  You're not in Bumfuck anymore, Romath.
**typical response of a guttermouth-- but--- you can think what you
like...so can Stevie boy-- I know what it's there for, and am using it
properly...... so are many others.

>>Perhaps I should not bother attempting to help others in the
>>spamfighting battle after all--
>
>There's some merit to that, but not for the reasons you might think. 
It's
>your incessant equating of "spam" with "sleaze" that irks me. 
**too bd if it does irk you. Spam is no good. Sleaze is also no good.
I don't need your permission to fight either or both.

> Not to mention
>your framing the effort as though it is some kind of war, not to
mention your
>frequent misinformation,
**PROVE that-- I have numerous spamkills to my credit, thank you-- so
much for your claim to my 'frequent misinformation'.
Even if that was true---- considering I have said all along that I'm
not an expert by any means-- I still have a pretty damn good kill
average.
>not to mention that, IMESHO, your efforts are
>hate-based;  demonize your targets, and no one will care *what* you
>do to them, right, Romath?
**Oh, so I'm supposed to love spammers and sleazoids, right Basely?

>>-- it seems that even when a person
>>stands up for a person or a cause, they still get the backlashing---
>Ah, a thin-skinned one.  No wonder it's so easy for frauds and trolls
>to send you off on a rant.
>WD Baseley
**thin-skinned bedamned-- if I was thin-skinned, I'd have given up
long ago-- get a grip on reality.
Romath
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  romath@bigfoot.com, romath@usa.net,or Dr.Watson@TheOffice.net
And be sure to visit:     http://www.ASPIB.someone.net 
"Helping clean up the Internet--one BYTE @ a time!"
                  ICQ # 29587311
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Clifton T. Sharp Jr." <clifto@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>         BTW, all getting an account yank shows is you know how to
> send a complaint and read a header.  It shows nothing of a person's
> knowledge of the Net.

Yeah, but sometimes it just feels soooooooooo good.

-- 
|  Cliff Sharp  | All relevant people are pertinent.                        |
|    WA9PDM     | All rude people are impertinent.                          |
|               | Therefore, no rude people are relevant.                   |
|               |   --Solomon W. Golomb                                     |



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Lee C wrote:

> old.salt@mindspring.com wrote in message
> <36bfdc86.1640204@news.mindspring.com>...
> >On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:22:10 +0000, "Mr. Wombat"
> ><Toby@morcelli.demon.co.uk> decided to post words that all would read
> >on, "Re: ADVISORY--worth reading", lets see if they are worth
> >reading.
> >
> >>        this might seem a stupid question but what is this trogen
> >>thingy?+i dont think this is stupid posting this, i think it was a good
> >>idea
> >
> > Then subscribe to comp.security.announce and find out there.
> >This isn't the NG for it, that is alt.spam, admin.net-abuse,
> >news.admin.net-abuse.email
>
> And why do viruses not affect anyone just because the post to the 4 above
> mentioned N.G's?  I say this is totally *On Topic* to ANY newsgroup.
> Sending someone a virus over the net is net abuse.........
>
> ~*~ Zazlee ~*~

So, using your logic, it should have been posted to *every* newsgroup?





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From: Karkie <spamtrap@karkamiel.com>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>         Then subscribe to comp.security.announce and find out there.
> This isn't the NG for it, that is alt.spam, admin.net-abuse,
> news.admin.net-abuse.email

This isn't really the ng for complaining about this. You should go to
.alt.blahblahblah perhaps? :)

My point: she warned us about a virus (trojan in this case) which also
has been infected this ng (!!!)  and when she warns "us" about this,
she could subscribe to comp.sec... but how in Mike name would I know
about this then hm??

Just a little remark,

Kamiel

P.S. I would suggest that IF you want to write in this ng that you
could HELP us with question. All you ever did in here (since I arrived
here anyways) is complaining. Well ... I only see 2 messages from you
and that's in this thread! ;)
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From: SysAdmin@ASPIB.net (Romath (Dr. Watson) )
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/08
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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:25:58 -0600, "w��g" <thisaddress@is.bunk> wrote:

>Just last week, I was targeted as a potential victim of the back
orfice
>trojan via unsolicited e-mail.  Had this unsolicited e-mail fallen
into the
>wrong, underducated hands, the results could have been tragic.  Let
me
>reiterate.... BRAVO Romath!!  Thank you for playing your part in
trying to
>keep e-mail safe.
>
>In my book, this thread is dead, thank god.
>Regards.
**Thanks very much Woog-- it WAS indeed meant to help, but of course
there are a certain unimportant fewe who want to do nothing but
complain-- and of course, the 'vanity group' line comes into play. Oh
well (sigh!) I know that alt.r is NOT a vanity group-- they can say
whatever they like--- I'm tougher skinned than those idiots think!
Thanks----
--
Ro

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emails I may receive.....Need something investigated? 
Please post it to alt.spam, to alt.romath, or send to
  romath@bigfoot.com, romath@usa.net,or Dr.Watson@TheOffice.net
And be sure to visit:     http://www.ASPIB.someone.net 
"Helping clean up the Internet--one BYTE @ a time!"
                  ICQ # 29587311
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Lee C" <lebija@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/08
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old.salt@mindspring.com wrote in message
<36bfdc86.1640204@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:22:10 +0000, "Mr. Wombat"
><Toby@morcelli.demon.co.uk> decided to post words that all would read
>on, "Re: ADVISORY--worth reading", lets see if they are worth
>reading.
>
>>        this might seem a stupid question but what is this trogen
>>thingy?+i dont think this is stupid posting this, i think it was a good
>>idea
>
> Then subscribe to comp.security.announce and find out there.
>This isn't the NG for it, that is alt.spam, admin.net-abuse,
>news.admin.net-abuse.email


And why do viruses not affect anyone just because the post to the 4 above
mentioned N.G's?  I say this is totally *On Topic* to ANY newsgroup.
Sending someone a virus over the net is net abuse.........

~*~ Zazlee ~*~
>
>
>--
>OPEN INTERNET AT RISK http://www.openNETcoalition.org/action/
>Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to
make their life fulfilled.
>Politically Incorrect and proud of it.
>Support the anti-Spam amendment Join at http://www.cauce.org/
>I block all posts from WebTV with a filter, they make AOL look like MIT's
computing dept.
>My Mail Server is Protected by SPAMKILLER





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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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In article <36BE1E78.997AACB9@karkamiel.com>, Karkie
<spamtrap@karkamiel.com> writes
>Hash: SHA1
>
>old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>>         Then subscribe to comp.security.announce and find out there.
>> This isn't the NG for it, that is alt.spam, admin.net-abuse,
>> news.admin.net-abuse.email
>
>This isn't really the ng for complaining about this. You should go to
>.alt.blahblahblah perhaps? :)
>
Lol....
>My point: she warned us about a virus (trojan in this case) which also
>has been infected this ng (!!!)  and when she warns "us" about this,
>she could subscribe to comp.sec... but how in Mike name would I know
>about this then hm??
>
>Just a little remark,
>
Ok..i am kinda dumb so i dont know what it is..........
>Kamiel
>
>P.S. I would suggest that IF you want to write in this ng that you
>could HELP us with question. All you ever did in here (since I arrived
>here anyways) is complaining. Well ... I only see 2 messages from you
>and that's in this thread! ;)

-------------------------------------------- 
Squiffy_The_Wombat- Acadia's offical wombat 

http://www.morcelli.demon.co.uk/wombat.html

icq=22995288
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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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For Romath.... BRAVO!!  Any information which may help the next newbie
understand the kind of tactics that the unholiest of unholies will resort
to, as SPAM or revenge against an anti-SPAMmer, is information well used.

To posters of the other 24 parts of this thread, with a couple of
exceptions.... talk about an off topic waste of valuable bandwidth!!   Can
we talk about the FACTS of e-mail abuse as opposed to useless OPINIONS?

Just last week, I was targeted as a potential victim of the back orfice
trojan via unsolicited e-mail.  Had this unsolicited e-mail fallen into the
wrong, underducated hands, the results could have been tragic.  Let me
reiterate.... BRAVO Romath!!  Thank you for playing your part in trying to
keep e-mail safe.

In my book, this thread is dead, thank god.

Regards.


Romath (Dr. Watson) wrote in message
<36bbce6e.171294368@news.vianet.on.ca>...

<SNIP>





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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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And your reply to me wasn't off topic for the ng I'm in?  Wake up, sonny.
You're in my ng, so I'm in yours.  Deal with it, or stop complimenting your
ignorance with crossposted replies.  If your opinion is the only one that
matters, then do yourself a favor and add me to your killfile, like I just
did for your all-mighty dumbass.


old.salt@mindspring.com wrote in message
<36c28aca.1657413@news.mindspring.com>...
  >spew, spew, spew





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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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In <Ncwv2.312$7E6.316@news3.ispnews.com>, on 02/08/1999
   at 01:11 AM, "w  g" <thisaddress@is.bunk> said:

>and add me to your killfile

Sounds good to me; the guy that you're so pathetically attempting to
flame happens to be quite clued in, unlike you. *PLONK*


--
-----------------------------------------------------------
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     Atid/2
     Team OS/2
     Team PL/I

Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal
action.  I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive
E-mail.

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me.  Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org
-----------------------------------------------------------




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old.salt@mindspring.com wrote in message
<36c18a06.1461293@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:35:27 +1000, "Lee C" <lebija@mpx.com.au>
>decided to post words that all would read on, "Re: ADVISORY--worth
>reading", lets see if they are worth reading.
>
>>And why do viruses not affect anyone just because the post to the 4 above
>>mentioned N.G's?
>
> Didn't say that now did I. Cancer affects people to that post
>to those NGs, but we don't post warnings about smoking now do we.
>
>>  I say this is totally *On Topic* to ANY newsgroup.
>>Sending someone a virus over the net is net abuse.........
>
> And your totally wrong. Read the charter for the news.abuse.*
>NGs.
>
>
>--
>OPEN INTERNET AT RISK http://www.openNETcoalition.org/action/
>Notice: Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others to
make their life fulfilled.
>Politically Incorrect and proud of it.
>Support the anti-Spam amendment Join at http://www.cauce.org/
>I block all posts from WebTV with a filter, they make AOL look like MIT's
computing dept.
>My Mail Server is Protected by SPAMKILLER

yeah yeah, ok, whatever.





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From: inyOface@webtv.nut (Lord Gilbert T. Sullivan)
Subject: Re: I'M BAAAAAACK--------> Frank the Spank, Spanking ALL NIGGERS!!!
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On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:21:36 GMT, wickedklown@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>In article <79kbke$g8i$1@winter.news.rcn.net>,
>  "Frank Rizzo" <sales@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Die nigger scum!
>>
>>
>
>Imaginative and witty. Trueley a superior post. Did you go to
>Harvard? Clearly you have a superior intellect.
>
>
>Fucking dolt.


I have superior intellect to you.-SkidMarkS.


--Lord Gilbert T. Sullivan  Master/Inventor of GPA.

 Ruler of: alt.Evil
           alt.F.K.M.N
           alt.Flame
           alt.AVFFF

                  InyOface@webtv.nut



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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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Lee C <lebija@mpx.com.au> wrote:

>  I say this is totally *On Topic* to ANY newsgroup.
> Sending someone a virus over the net is net abuse.........

From <http://www.usenet2.org/rules.txt>:
----
Crossposting: "The Rule of Three"
---------------------------------
No article in the world is relevant to more than a small handful of
groups.  If WWIII is announced, it will be announced in a group such
as net.headlines.world-war-three.
----
:-)

HTH, Alan
-- 
95 Ducati 600SS, 85 Guzzi V65TT, 74 MV Agusta 350     SI # 3.386
"Ride to Work, Work to Ride"                            DoD#1930



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From: "Jacob Mokwana" <jacob.mokwana@liberty.co.za>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/09
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we don't have to abuse the net by sending viruses all over. instead send
meaningful stuff e.g. educational stuff. Cool I gotta bounce.

Roswell Coverup {Sam Borg 7 of 9} [Honorable Rev. JoWazzoo] wrote in message
<36bee067@newsfeed.sexzilla.net>...
>On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:35:27 +1000, Member of The Lumber Cartel (TINLC)
>"Lee C" <lebija@mpx.com.au> while contriting, allegedly opined:
>
>>> Then subscribe to comp.security.announce and find out there.
>>>This isn't the NG for it, that is alt.spam, admin.net-abuse,
>>>news.admin.net-abuse.email
>>
>>And why do viruses not affect anyone just because the post to the 4 above
>>mentioned N.G's?  I say this is totally *On Topic* to ANY newsgroup.
>
>Right - and Old Salt's point was that if that is the case, why not
>cross-post to all 67,000 NGs??
>
>Actually I do consider that in this case it was on topic here - but a
>pointer to a web site would have been much better.
>
>>Sending someone a virus over the net is net abuse.........
>
>
>--------
>"I sure am glad my friends in NANAE were around to set me straight!"
>Sanford Wallace - nanae        Pink NOW!!!: http://www.spamfree.org
>Hon.Rev.JOWazzoo               http://surf.to/Consummate.Spam.Links
>Lumber Cartel Unit #69 (TINLC)     http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel
>





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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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In article <36c9daa0.4351710@news.mindspring.com>, old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>BTW, I am not a Sysadmin or
>postmaster, or news admin. Just a users with a few years under his
>belt, but not as many as a lot of regulars in the news.abuse.* NGs.

And for those who remain blissfully ignorant, Old Salt is a long-time and 
well-respected regular in the news.admin.net-abuse.* groups.  He's also 
almost single-handedly responsble for getting WORLDNET.ATT.NET into an 
anti-spam state of mind, which means he's done more for the Internet already 
than any Johnny-come-lately in the alt.* groups (no matter how much I may 
enjoy playing there) is ever likely to accomplish.

If he quits right now, he'll still be eligible for net.sainthood - he's got 
the required three net.miracles under his belt already.


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From: SysAdmin@nospamASPIB.net (Romath (Dr. Watson) )
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/09
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On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 06:54:07 GMT, old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:

>	Oh like people who pass them selfs off as SysAdmin on ISPs
>who post from vianet.on.ca. 
**sorry for crossposting again-- but what I am doing is perfectly
legitimate.
I have vianet as my service provider, yes-- but I am the Sys.Admin for
A.S.P.I.B. -- a legitimate website used for purposes of  fighting spam
and sleaze.... so you see, sir-- I do have the right to post with that
name.
- --
romath


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From: "Postmaster @ CDLC.COM" <Postmaster@CDLC.COM>
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/09
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The last thing the spam fighting cause needs is for one or even two people
to start insulting and harassing other spam fighters...

The spammers will just love all the infighting.... it weakens our cause and
destroys our unity against spammers...

Someone has put forth that old.salt is responsible for taming ATT.NET and
single-handedly getting them to actively fight spam...  [I heard that
old.salt hated people who take credit for kills etc...]

Sorry... but the last I heard from ATT.NET is that they went into fighting
spam because of the TONS of spam complaints from MANY people... mostly spam
complaints from their own users!

I personally know that Romath was one of the MANY who complained to
ATT.NET - yet she and those that support her would never stoop so low as to
claim she "single-handedly" tamed ATT.NET.......

It is unfortunate that old.salt has decided to attach, insult, harass, and
turn on his fellow spam fighters....

May be the bible is correct about old.salt......


--
Postmaster @ CDLC.COM
================================>
RULE OF THUMB for Spam Fighters:

If you claim to be an spam fighter, and then flame and insult other spam
fighters, you just put yourself at the same level as a spammer - You have
become and joined the ranks of Trolls!

If you do me an honor, I will reply..... If you do me a disservice, don't
hold your breath waiting for a reply!

Spammer threats are empty - they fear having anyone look into their
business.

Ethical(?) lawyers would never have a spammer for a client!

Spammers always use Public Defenders! And Public Defenders never do civil
cases, only criminal!

There are two kinds of idiots in the world... Those born that way, and those
who make spamming their vocation!
================================>

w��g <thisaddress@is.bunk> wrote in message
news:Ncwv2.312$7E6.316@news3.ispnews.com...
>And your reply to me wasn't off topic for the ng I'm in?  Wake up, sonny.
>You're in my ng, so I'm in yours.  Deal with it, or stop complimenting your
>ignorance with crossposted replies.  If your opinion is the only one that
>matters, then do yourself a favor and add me to your killfile, like I just
>did for your all-mighty dumbass.
>
>
>old.salt@mindspring.com wrote in message
><36c28aca.1657413@news.mindspring.com>...
>  >spew, spew, spew
>
>





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From: icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely Dotes)
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/09
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In article <36c4ad9e.1831224@news.mindspring.com>, old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:09:19 GMT, icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely
>Dotes) decided to post words that all would read on, "Re:
>ADVISORY--worth reading", lets see if they are worth reading. 
> 
>>If he quits right now, he'll still be eligible for net.sainthood - he's got 
>>the required three net.miracles under his belt already.
>
>        Damn you Ice, now my hat won't fit!

Wah.  Get a hat-stretcher. ;-)

 "Opt-out is a cop-out."  -  Jerry Bookter
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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/09
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I am sorry, but excuse me...

Who is WD?

--
Postmaster @ CDLC.COM
================================>
RULE OF THUMB for Spam Fighters:

If you do me an honor, I will reply..... If you do me a disservice, don't
hold your breath waiting for a reply!

Spammer threats are empty - they fear having anyone look into their
business.

Ethical(?) lawyers would never have a spammer for a client!

Spammers always use Public Defenders! And Public Defenders never do civil
cases, only criminal!

There are two kinds of idiots in the world... Those born that way, and those
who make spamming their vocation!

If you claim to be an spam fighter, and then flame and insult other spam
fighters, you just put yourself at the same level as a spammer - You have
become and joined the ranks of Trolls!

If you can not reply and talk civilly with other spam fighters with out
insults, then you have not learned to play well with others!
================================>







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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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In article <36c0f85a.3386710@news.vianet.on.ca>, Dr.WatsonATTheOfficeDOTnet wrote:
>**You lie like a rug, Mack. I aught to know whether or not I've sent
>complaints to ATT.net-- and who the blazes are YOU to try and claim
>otherwise? Don't make me laugh.

Better do a Deja News search on Old Salt starting about 2 years ago.

In the meantime, how dod you get out of my Bozo Bin?


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From: jim.rusling@usa.net (Jim Rusling)
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/10
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icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely Dotes) wrote:

>In article <36c0f85a.3386710@news.vianet.on.ca>, Dr.WatsonATTheOfficeDOTnet wrote:
>>**You lie like a rug, Mack. I aught to know whether or not I've sent
>>complaints to ATT.net-- and who the blazes are YOU to try and claim
>>otherwise? Don't make me laugh.
>
>Better do a Deja News search on Old Salt starting about 2 years ago.

Better make that at least 3 years ago.

<snip>

-- 
Jim Rusling
Mustang Information Services
Mustang, OK
http://jrusling.home.mindspring.com



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From: ramsa@swva.net (Patricia A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:04:51 GMT, jim.rusling@usa.net (Jim Rusling)
wrote:

>icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely Dotes) wrote:
>
>>In article <36c0f85a.3386710@news.vianet.on.ca>, Dr.WatsonATTheOfficeDOTnet wrote:
>>>**You lie like a rug, Mack. I aught to know whether or not I've sent
>>>complaints to ATT.net-- and who the blazes are YOU to try and claim
>>>otherwise? Don't make me laugh.
>>
>>Better do a Deja News search on Old Salt starting about 2 years ago.
>
>Better make that at least 3 years ago.

At least ... I've been here for 3 years, and Old Salt was one from whom
I learned bunches back then.  Thanks, Old Salt!

---
Patricia 

"Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." CDR M. Dobson	
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From: icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely Dotes)
Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
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In article <36cc312a.5600814@news.mindspring.com>, old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:18:44 GMT, jim.rusling@usa.net (Jim Rusling)
>decided to post words that all would read on, "Re: ADVISORY--worth
>reading", lets see if they are worth reading. 
> 
>>I thought it would go to your butt.
>
>        It would be funnier if you said "Now it matches your butt"

I did NOT need to know that.

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Subject: Re: ADVISORY--worth reading
Date: 1999/02/10
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In article <36c1a60b@newsfeed.sexzilla.net>, JoWazzoo@WhiteICE.com (Roswell Coverup {Sam Borg 7 of 9} [Honorable Rev. JoWazzoo] ) wrote:
>
>On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:20:27 -1000, Member of The Lumber Cartel (TINLC)
>"Postmaster @ CDLC.COM" <Postmaster@CDLC.COM> while contriting,
>allegedly opined:
>
>>I am sorry, but excuse me...
>>
>>Who is WD?
>
>The guy whose post I was replying to - do you read threads??
>BTW - who are you?? Are you Dave??

"Dave's not here, man!"

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In article <36c6ec4f.2673033@news.mindspring.com>, old.salt@mindspring.com wrote:
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>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:47:43 GMT, icesnake@spambusters.ml.org (Morely
>Dotes) decided to post words that all would read on, "Re:
>ADVISORY--worth reading", lets see if they are worth reading. 
> 
>>In article <36cc312a.5600814@news.mindspring.com>, old.salt@mindspring.com
> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:18:44 GMT, jim.rusling@usa.net (Jim Rusling)
>>>decided to post words that all would read on, "Re: ADVISORY--worth
>>>reading", lets see if they are worth reading. 
>>> 
>>>>I thought it would go to your butt.
>>>
>>>        It would be funnier if you said "Now it matches your butt"
>>
>>I did NOT need to know that.
>
>        What, a funnier line.

No, that your best buddy is named "Beavis."

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From: buyensl@prime*SPAMMERS.GO.HOME*net.com (Lorrill Buyens)
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On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:10:57 GMT, inyOface@webtv.nut (Lord Gilbert T.
Sullivan) finished their moo goo gai pan, opened their fortune cookie
and read:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:21:36 GMT, wickedklown@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>In article <79kbke$g8i$1@winter.news.rcn.net>,
>>  "Frank Rizzo" <sales@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Die nigger scum!

>>Imaginative and witty. Trueley a superior post. Did you go to
>>Harvard? Clearly you have a superior intellect.

>>Fucking dolt.

>I have superior intellect to you.-SkidMarkS.

But not "superior" enough to know when people aren't talking to you.




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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:30:06 GMT,
buyensl@prime*SPAMMERS.GO.HOME*net.com (Lorrill Buyens) wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:10:57 GMT, inyOface@webtv.nut (Lord Gilbert T.
>Sullivan) finished their moo goo gai pan, opened their fortune cookie
>and read:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:21:36 GMT, wickedklown@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <79kbke$g8i$1@winter.news.rcn.net>,
>>>  "Frank Rizzo" <sales@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> Die nigger scum!
>
>>>Imaginative and witty. Trueley a superior post. Did you go to
>>>Harvard? Clearly you have a superior intellect.
>
>>>Fucking dolt.
>
>>I have superior intellect to you.-SkidMarkS.
>
>But not "superior" enough to know when people aren't talking to you.

Thats irrellivent.As Lord high of all I survey, I have the right to
barge into any thread. I thought you knew that.-CarWasH.


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Phil writes-

>Suzanne says:

>>>***She must have been loved and blest by the great-great grandson of Vibert.

>>>Who else?

>>***Hey, wait a minute.......was Napoleon into roses?

>****<SNORT>  sorry rissa

Someone just sent me an email and said "No dear.  He was into Josephine."
That would never have occured to me, ha ha.

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Welcome to the post-Ekezsie era! The future is here.
And the future is twelve fouls, sixteen points, ten boards, and 7-12
shooting. Not too bad, I suppose, except maybe the foul thing...

So, with a career-ending Achilles injury to Obinna Ekezie, the Terrpains
move boldly into the realm of Center by Committee- which, historians will
note, was enough to help the Syracuse Orangemen to the '96 title game.
Whether Lonnie Baxter, Mike "J.B. Reafsnyder South" Mardesich, and Brian
"Mario Lucas" Watkins can do the same is an open question...

It's a little tough to tell anything about the success of the Center
Committee from this game, as NC State has no real height to speak of.
When Baxter picked up his fourth late in the game, Danny Miller rotated
into the "center" spot with no real loss of effectiveness. (Miller was
1-1 for two points, three assists and three fouls, and one rebound.
Someone more dedicated than I can go through the tapes and figure out how
to add his stats to the Committee...)

The real story in this one, or at least, the best spin that I can put on
this one, is the defense. NC State shot a school-worst 25.5% from the
field, and most of those weren't even close. Not that Maryland's 44.6% is
anything to write home about, either, but it was enough to win. Never
have I seen such a mason's convention of a game, save for the night I
went overboard on lamb vindaloo and had an eight-hour nightmare about
Clemson playing Georgetown...

Despite the fact that the announcers wouldn't shut up about him, it's
worth mentioning the job Terrell Stokes did on Justin Gainey. Gainey
might as well not have been on the court for much of this game- 1-4 from
the floor, three assists, four turnovers, three points. Meanwhile, Stokes
had five assists, three TO's, two blocks (including a highlight-reel
stuff of Gainey from behind), and, evidently having read r.s.bb.c this
week, 14 points including two of the team's three 3-pointers. A great
all-around game from Stokes.

This game serves as a pretty decent demonstration of the way pressure
defense works. While they didn't get any ten-second calls, I don't think
State ever took less than eight seconds to get the ball over mid-court,
and they looked rattled the whole time. They got few open looks, and the
ones they did get, they rushed, which was a large factor in the
brick-a-thon. It doesn't show up as a gaudy turnover number- they had 19,
which is about average in terms of TO's forced by Maryland- but the press
took its toll.

Had the Terps been able to stop fouling, this wouldn't've been close. As
it was, NC State got nearly half (22) of its points from the line- they
probably could've taken the lead, had they been able to hit a free throw
in the first half. As it was, they made a strong run in the second half,
and cut the lead to one twice, but Maryland held them each time, and
eventually broke the Pack with about five minutes remaining.

It wasn't a pretty game. It wasn't within shouting distance of a pretty
game, unless you really like defense. But it was a win, on the road, and
it was without Ekezie.

The usual random notes:

- Quote of the Night: at halftime of the Notre Dame- Georgetown game (the
second game of the double-header) Chris Fowler went to commercial with
"There are better-played and more entertaining games being played
elsewhere. We'll have highlights, right after this." Pretty much said it
all...

- Imitation of the Night: Also during the ND-G'town halftime, Jay Bilas
did a pretty good impression of Bill "Help, My Balls Are Caught in the
Folding Chair" Raftery's tortured delivery. Always good to see the
broadcasters mocking each other...

- Kind of a slow night for Steve Francis. State did a nice job containing
him, and Fancis did a nice job of not forcing anything. 2-7 from the
floor for four points (both FG's on SportsCenter highlight dunks), four
assists and five steals. I really hope he sticks around...

- Let me see... There's something I'm forgetting... Oh, well. It'll come
to me.

- Adam Harrington, who missed the forty-point blowout at Cole, came off
the bench in the first half, and immediately drained a three-pointer.
"Oh, shit," I thought, "This kid's going to make all the difference..."
He was 0-7 from the floor after that, including a few ill-advised bombs,
and beat Maryland's Danny Miller 5-3 in their mano-a-mano Stupid Fouls
Contest (Miller played clean for about sixteen minutes, then Harrington
threw down the gauntlet, and Danny got three fouls in all of a minute and
a half...).

- Miller and Juan Dixon, coming off great games against Virginia, were
largely absent from the stat sheets in this one. They did contribute,
though- Miller had the Pass of the Game whipping the ball to Morris in
the lane, and Dixon had a couple of steals. And, as noted above, Miller
did play a little "center" toward the end.

- Now, there was something I wanted to mention at this point, and... What
_was_ it? Oh, well, never mind...

- So. What is the overall significance of the loss of Ekezie? Well, it
could've been a lot worse. Yeah, he's probably their best inside guy, but
Baxter's not a big step down. And while the drop from Baxter to Mardesich
is a bit bigger, it plateaus off at that level- Brian Watkins is a fairly
solid player (no worse than Mardesich, to be sure), and if memory serves,
they've got another big guy behind him, if need be.
  Obviously, this game is not the big test for the new frontline. That'll
be Saturday, when North Carolina comes to College Park. But the new guys
played well, and Maryland actually outrebounded somebody for the first
time, 40-37 (though, God knows, there were enough missed shots to go
around...). They need to cut down on the fouls, that's for sure, but it
was a good effort all the way around.

- The OBRefs. Amazingly enough, given the comically inconsistent
refereeing, Ted Valentine was several hundred miles away, and _not_ in
Reynolds Coliseum. There were some real laughers in this one, though,
including a beauty of a big East sequence where three guys wound up
sprawled on the floor, while the ball went to a flat-footed Terrence
Morris who stuck it in the basket without ever leaving the floor...

- Oh, yeah. That was it. Terrence Morris.
  Seventeen points, four blocks, a career-high sixteen rebounds, and even
his coach admits he just doesn't notice Morris putting up big numbers...
  He's the quietest Great Player in the league. Maybe in the country.

So, Maryland makes it five in a row, to close out Reynolds Coliseum. Next
up, The Tar Heels in the friendlier confines of Cole Field House.

Later,
OilCan







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Harry wrote:
> 
> > The only reason I give three shits is that I have tickets for the East
> > Regionals in Jersey and would much prefer cheering for UConn than
> > letting your sister blow me and my pals  for my four tix.
>
> Would you like to sell those East Regionals tickets to Duke Dad?

He named his price; are you sure you wanna meet it?
;-)

OB



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Jeffrey Davis wrote:
> 
> A UCLA fan was touting the number of NCAA wins and someone -- curse my
> fickle memory -- made the joke that someone should do some carbon dating
> on UCLA's NCAA banners. As in, they are from so long ago that we would
> need etc etc. A gag that will live in infamosity on rsbc.

I dunno--we're going to need carbon dating on the joke pretty 
soon.  It's from around  1992.  That's about six generations
of interenet users ago.

Ken B.



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In article <79uvah$t4m$2@nnrp02.primenet.com>, cunningt@primenet.com says...
> Heinlein <rahln@mindspring.com> writes:
> 
> :    Traditionally, the NIT criteria for ACC teams is a winning overall
> : record.<
> 
> I agree - but.....
> 
> A) This year the ACC is way down, so wins don't mean as much. 
> B) Tech has a losing record at this point in the season, and unless they
> play Virginia 7 more times, I don't see that they'll have a winning record
> come March.

Huh?  If by "Tech", you mean Georgia Tech, they do (at the moment) have a 
winning record -- they're 13-10.

- Rob Mac K

-- 
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XLr8r wrote in message <79uk11$5d7$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
>Preferrably rude one's
>
>Cheers
>
>XLr8r ;)
>
>
Annually, February fourteen
Brings a change to the sexual routine
Not her twat or her tongue
We just plug up her bung
Anally, if you know what I mean





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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:52:38 +0100, "neighbor"
<janssen.j@nospamusa.net> wrote:

>a young knight from the city of London
>was in the room of a maiden he turned on
>  but then she said HO
>  just stop and go
>on with an iron condom on
>
>--neighbor--
>
>
The problem with all that tin-plate,
is it's such a palaver to mate.
When you find a young hussy,
Who's flashing her pussy,
By the time you've climbed out, it's too late.

For she is long gone, down the lane.
She's boffing some other young swain.
And you might hear her cry,
As you wander close by,
"Canned food I can'tstand, now then Guy...
"And give me a look at that dick.
It's juicy, I've just got to lick."
She's having great fun,
So you might as well run
To your horse, there, and play with his prick.

Tiddy.





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Subject: Re: I'M BAAAAAACK-------->  Frank the Spank, Spanking ALL NIGGERS!!!
Date: 1999/02/13
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Thanks for the ranking info; I didn't know the new stats were in, but I
just checked out the US News site myself.  My point, notwithstanding
Duke's slight drop this year, was that Duke is one of the top schools in
the country, not merely a school for those who "couldn't get into the
Ivy Leagues" as Jama said (that's Northern elitism if I ever saw it).
Though below Harvard, Princeton, and Yale this year, it's tied with Penn
and Cornell and ranked above Columbia, Dartmouth, and Brown.  So, it's
in the middle of the pack...now, if only that survey took into account
the beautiful weather down there...

Missing the sun in Boston,

E






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Subject: I'M BAAAAAACK--------> Frank the  Spank, Spanking ALL NIGGERS!!!
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Thanks for the ranking info; I didn't know the new stats were in, but I
just checked out the US News site myself.  My point, notwithstanding
Duke's slight drop this year, was that Duke is one of the top schools in
the country, not merely a school for those who "couldn't get into the
Ivy Leagues" as Jama said (that's Northern elitism if I ever saw it).
Though below Harvard, Princeton, and Yale this year, it's tied with Penn
and Cornell and ranked above Columbia, Dartmouth, and Brown.  So, it's
in the middle of the pack...now, if only that survey took into account
the beautiful weather down there...

Missing the sun in Boston,

E






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From: "Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net>
Subject: Re: blow me balloo , like you did before
Date: 1999/02/17
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especially our leader 2-balo
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he is a unix lord

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and you WILL pay us homage
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we are meow

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meow faggot
meow
meow


blow me  balloo


--
"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
and
post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store. Meow
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own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his kids
are
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Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>blow me  balloo
>
>coochie coo
>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>blow me  balloo
>blow me  balloo
>
>coochie coo
>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>
>coochie coo
>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>
>coochie coo
>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>
>
>
>
>
>coochie coo
>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>
>
>--
>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>and
>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
Meow
>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>started with his
>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
kids
>are
>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>
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>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
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>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
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>888 "Y888888
>
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>
>
>
>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>now that I think about it
>>Omni is telling the truth
>>
>>To the FBI
>>I confess to raping kids in my area
>>
>>please arrest me now!!!
>>you will find my personal details on the servers of Altopia Corp
>>see the dood capito
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
is
>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>>and
>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
Ivor
>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>Meow
>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>started with his
>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>kids
>>are
>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>
>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>
>>888
>>888
>>888
>>888  8888b.
>>888     "88b
>>888 .d888888
>>888 888  888
>>888 "Y888888
>>
>>888888888
>>
>>
>>
>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>> Flaagg (flaagg@not.valid.net) did write in group posting message:
>>>
>>>< ] Path: newsfeed.slurp.net!news-]
>>spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!
>>>< ]
>>139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!139.130.250.4.MISMATCH!nswpull.tel
s
>t
>>r] a.net!not-for-mail
>>>< ] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>>>< ] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>>>< ] Message-ID: <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>
>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.35.188.2
>>>< ] X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net
>>>< ] X-Trace: nswpull.telstra.net 919127330 203.35.188.2 (Tue, 16 Feb
>1999 ]
>>12:08:50 EST)
>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:08:50 EST
>>><
>>>< "Omni�" <NOSPAM_peterathome@excite.com> writes in article
>>>< <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>>><
>>>< ] If you want to see the best in baby porn
>>>< ] forget the rest
>>>< ] come to our secret password protected
>>>< ] child porn distribution site
>>>< ]
>>>< ] just send pvt mail
>>>< ] and we will send you instructions on how
>>>< ] to send payment and access the best KP site on WWW
>>>< ]
>>>< ]
>>>< ] Think Child Porn
>>><
>>>< Well THIS is just disgusting.
>>>
>>>The frogery or Omni's slow spastic descent into madness?
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>>
>>>888
>>>888
>>>888
>>>888  8888b.
>>>888     "88b
>>>888 .d888888
>>>888 888  888
>>>888 "Y888888
>>>
>>>8888888888 8888888        d8888 888b     d888 888b     d888        d8888
>>>888          888         d88888 8888b   d8888 8888b   d8888       d88888
>>>888          888        d88P888 88888b.d88888 88888b.d88888      d88P888
>>>8888888      888       d88P 888 888Y88888P888 888Y88888P888     d88P 888
>>>888          888      d88P  888 888 Y888P 888 888 Y888P 888    d88P  888
>>>888          888     d88P   888 888  Y8P  888 888  Y8P  888   d88P   888
>>>888          888    d8888888888 888   "   888 888   "   888  d8888888888
>>>888        8888888 d88P     888 888       888 888       888 d88P     888
>>>
>>>"Everyone is someone else's Fuckhead."
>>>- Lady Crystaviel Lockier begats a particularly spiffy philosophy.
>>>
>>>"Me Tarzan you Cheeta."
>>>- Bakunin
>>>
>>>"I think the shock of his ass, ehm face, should be so strong to force
>>>him to delete other words from his brain in order to not find any
>>>arguments against himself."
>>>- EagleStorm
>>>
>>>"Tipical of the dog to hate the master with a wood in the hand."
>>>- Sam
>>>
>>>"Cacchio... ti e` scappata la signature dalla gabbia."
>>>- Eaglestorm
>>>
>>>"I'm in total awe of your mental skills einstien!"
>>>- not@aol.com
>>>
>>>"You are way out of your league here, and I am a mere amature."
>>>- not@aol.com
>>>
>>>"You are obviously to much of a putz to understand sarcasm, I won't
>>elaborate."
>>>- up@thecrack.ofdawn failing to understand sarcasm and PKBing himself
into
>>oblivion.
>>>
>>>"<You suck!>"
>>>- CoolBreeze, any post (paraphrased)
>>>
>>>"<IKYABWAI>"
>>>- Mike, any post (paraphrased)
>>>
>>>" And my 2 functioning brain cells are still better then your 1 non
>>>  functioning cell."
>>>- Mike, blowing his head off.
>>
>>
>
>
>





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From: "Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net>
Subject: BALO-2 and MEOW will rule usenet admins can blow him
Date: 1999/02/17
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meow

--
"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
and
post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store. Meow
is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
started with his
own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his kids
are
stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"

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Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>you fucks at news admin
>you can never catch us
>especially our leader 2-balo
>he will kill you
>he has the best hacker style
>ask kevin
>he taught kevin
>
>ha ha ha ha
>
>he is a unix lord
>
>WE WILL take over usenet
>and you WILL pay us homage
>we are meow
>we are meow
>
>meow bitch
>meow faggot
>meow
>meow
>
>
>blow me  balloo
>
>
>--
>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>and
>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
Meow
>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>started with his
>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
kids
>are
>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>
>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>
>888
>888
>888
>888  8888b.
>888     "88b
>888 .d888888
>888 888  888
>888 "Y888888
>
>888888888
>
>
>
>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>blow me  balloo
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>--
>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
is
>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>>and
>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
Ivor
>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>Meow
>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>started with his
>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>kids
>>are
>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>
>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>
>>888
>>888
>>888
>>888  8888b.
>>888     "88b
>>888 .d888888
>>888 888  888
>>888 "Y888888
>>
>>888888888
>>
>>
>>
>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>now that I think about it
>>>Omni is telling the truth
>>>
>>>To the FBI
>>>I confess to raping kids in my area
>>>
>>>please arrest me now!!!
>>>you will find my personal details on the servers of Altopia Corp
>>>see the dood capito
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
>is
>>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of
it
>>>and
>>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
>Ivor
>>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>>Meow
>>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>>started with his
>>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>>kids
>>>are
>>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>>
>>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>>
>>>888
>>>888
>>>888
>>>888  8888b.
>>>888     "88b
>>>888 .d888888
>>>888 888  888
>>>888 "Y888888
>>>
>>>888888888
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>> Flaagg (flaagg@not.valid.net) did write in group posting message:
>>>>
>>>>< ] Path: newsfeed.slurp.net!news-]
>>>spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!
>>>>< ]
>>>139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!139.130.250.4.MISMATCH!nswpull.te
l
>s
>>t
>>>r] a.net!not-for-mail
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>>>>< ] Message-ID: <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.35.188.2
>>>>< ] X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net
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>>1999 ]
>>>12:08:50 EST)
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:08:50 EST
>>>><
>>>>< "Omni�" <NOSPAM_peterathome@excite.com> writes in article
>>>>< <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>>>><
>>>>< ] If you want to see the best in baby porn
>>>>< ] forget the rest
>>>>< ] come to our secret password protected
>>>>< ] child porn distribution site
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] just send pvt mail
>>>>< ] and we will send you instructions on how
>>>>< ] to send payment and access the best KP site on WWW
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] Think Child Porn
>>>><
>>>>< Well THIS is just disgusting.
>>>>
>>>>The frogery or Omni's slow spastic descent into madness?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
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>>>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>>>
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>>>>888
>>>>888
>>>>888  8888b.
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>>>>
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>>>>888        8888888 d88P     888 888       888 888       888 d88P     888
>>>>
>>>>"Everyone is someone else's Fuckhead."
>>>>- Lady Crystaviel Lockier begats a particularly spiffy philosophy.
>>>>
>>>>"Me Tarzan you Cheeta."
>>>>- Bakunin
>>>>
>>>>"I think the shock of his ass, ehm face, should be so strong to force
>>>>him to delete other words from his brain in order to not find any
>>>>arguments against himself."
>>>>- EagleStorm
>>>>
>>>>"Tipical of the dog to hate the master with a wood in the hand."
>>>>- Sam
>>>>
>>>>"Cacchio... ti e` scappata la signature dalla gabbia."
>>>>- Eaglestorm
>>>>
>>>>"I'm in total awe of your mental skills einstien!"
>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>"You are way out of your league here, and I am a mere amature."
>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>"You are obviously to much of a putz to understand sarcasm, I won't
>>>elaborate."
>>>>- up@thecrack.ofdawn failing to understand sarcasm and PKBing himself
>into
>>>oblivion.
>>>>
>>>>"<You suck!>"
>>>>- CoolBreeze, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>"<IKYABWAI>"
>>>>- Mike, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>" And my 2 functioning brain cells are still better then your 1 non
>>>>  functioning cell."
>>>>- Mike, blowing his head off.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





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From: "Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net>
Subject: WE are MEOW we WILL rule the WWW
Date: 1999/02/17
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meow

hi to GiLbErt , bAlOO  , IvOr and the rest of the meowster hackor doods

--
"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
and
post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store. Meow
is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
started with his
own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his kids
are
stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"

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Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>you fucks at news admin
>you can never catch us
>especially our leader 2-balo
>he will kill you
>he has the best hacker style
>ask kevin
>he taught kevin
>
>ha ha ha ha
>
>he is a unix lord
>
>WE WILL take over usenet
>and you WILL pay us homage
>we are meow
>we are meow
>
>meow bitch
>meow faggot
>meow
>meow
>
>
>blow me  balloo
>
>
>--
>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>and
>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
Meow
>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>started with his
>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
kids
>are
>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>
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>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>
>888
>888
>888
>888  8888b.
>888     "88b
>888 .d888888
>888 888  888
>888 "Y888888
>
>888888888
>
>
>
>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>blow me  balloo
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>--
>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
is
>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>>and
>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
Ivor
>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>Meow
>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>started with his
>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>kids
>>are
>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>
>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>
>>888
>>888
>>888
>>888  8888b.
>>888     "88b
>>888 .d888888
>>888 888  888
>>888 "Y888888
>>
>>888888888
>>
>>
>>
>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>now that I think about it
>>>Omni is telling the truth
>>>
>>>To the FBI
>>>I confess to raping kids in my area
>>>
>>>please arrest me now!!!
>>>you will find my personal details on the servers of Altopia Corp
>>>see the dood capito
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
>is
>>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of
it
>>>and
>>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
>Ivor
>>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>>Meow
>>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>>started with his
>>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>>kids
>>>are
>>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>>
>>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
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>>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>>
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>>>888
>>>888  8888b.
>>>888     "88b
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>>>888 "Y888888
>>>
>>>888888888
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>> Flaagg (flaagg@not.valid.net) did write in group posting message:
>>>>
>>>>< ] Path: newsfeed.slurp.net!news-]
>>>spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!
>>>>< ]
>>>139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!139.130.250.4.MISMATCH!nswpull.te
l
>s
>>t
>>>r] a.net!not-for-mail
>>>>< ] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>>>>< ] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>>>>< ] Message-ID: <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.35.188.2
>>>>< ] X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net
>>>>< ] X-Trace: nswpull.telstra.net 919127330 203.35.188.2 (Tue, 16 Feb
>>1999 ]
>>>12:08:50 EST)
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:08:50 EST
>>>><
>>>>< "Omni�" <NOSPAM_peterathome@excite.com> writes in article
>>>>< <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>>>><
>>>>< ] If you want to see the best in baby porn
>>>>< ] forget the rest
>>>>< ] come to our secret password protected
>>>>< ] child porn distribution site
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] just send pvt mail
>>>>< ] and we will send you instructions on how
>>>>< ] to send payment and access the best KP site on WWW
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] Think Child Porn
>>>><
>>>>< Well THIS is just disgusting.
>>>>
>>>>The frogery or Omni's slow spastic descent into madness?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>- Lady Crystaviel Lockier begats a particularly spiffy philosophy.
>>>>
>>>>"Me Tarzan you Cheeta."
>>>>- Bakunin
>>>>
>>>>"I think the shock of his ass, ehm face, should be so strong to force
>>>>him to delete other words from his brain in order to not find any
>>>>arguments against himself."
>>>>- EagleStorm
>>>>
>>>>"Tipical of the dog to hate the master with a wood in the hand."
>>>>- Sam
>>>>
>>>>"Cacchio... ti e` scappata la signature dalla gabbia."
>>>>- Eaglestorm
>>>>
>>>>"I'm in total awe of your mental skills einstien!"
>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
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>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>"You are obviously to much of a putz to understand sarcasm, I won't
>>>elaborate."
>>>>- up@thecrack.ofdawn failing to understand sarcasm and PKBing himself
>into
>>>oblivion.
>>>>
>>>>"<You suck!>"
>>>>- CoolBreeze, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>"<IKYABWAI>"
>>>>- Mike, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>" And my 2 functioning brain cells are still better then your 1 non
>>>>  functioning cell."
>>>>- Mike, blowing his head off.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





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From: "Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net>
Subject: balo-2 eats news admins for breakfast  FBI are a bunch of faggot niggers
Date: 1999/02/17
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meow

--
"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
and
post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store. Meow
is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
started with his
own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his kids
are
stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"

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Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>you fucks at news admin
>you can never catch us
>especially our leader 2-balo
>he will kill you
>he has the best hacker style
>ask kevin
>he taught kevin
>
>ha ha ha ha
>
>he is a unix lord
>
>WE WILL take over usenet
>and you WILL pay us homage
>we are meow
>we are meow
>
>meow bitch
>meow faggot
>meow
>meow
>
>
>blow me  balloo
>
>
>--
>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>and
>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
Meow
>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>started with his
>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
kids
>are
>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>
>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
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>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>
>888
>888
>888
>888  8888b.
>888     "88b
>888 .d888888
>888 888  888
>888 "Y888888
>
>888888888
>
>
>
>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>blow me  balloo
>>blow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delightblow me  balloo
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>coochie coo
>>benjamin d. capoeman         mhm15x1
>>balloo@REMOVE.penis.dot.com    aavf3
>>http://24.113.23.97             meow
>>jelliebun's dainty ursine of delight
>>
>>
>>--
>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
is
>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>>and
>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
Ivor
>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>Meow
>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>started with his
>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>kids
>>are
>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>
>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
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>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>
>>888
>>888
>>888
>>888  8888b.
>>888     "88b
>>888 .d888888
>>888 888  888
>>888 "Y888888
>>
>>888888888
>>
>>
>>
>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>now that I think about it
>>>Omni is telling the truth
>>>
>>>To the FBI
>>>I confess to raping kids in my area
>>>
>>>please arrest me now!!!
>>>you will find my personal details on the servers of Altopia Corp
>>>see the dood capito
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda
>is
>>>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of
it
>>>and
>>>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and
>Ivor
>>>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
>>Meow
>>>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>>>started with his
>>>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
>>kids
>>>are
>>>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>>>
>>>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>>>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>>>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>>>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>>>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>>>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>>>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>>>
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>>>888
>>>888
>>>888  8888b.
>>>888     "88b
>>>888 .d888888
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>>>888 "Y888888
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>>>> Flaagg (flaagg@not.valid.net) did write in group posting message:
>>>>
>>>>< ] Path: newsfeed.slurp.net!news-]
>>>spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!
>>>>< ]
>>>139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!139.130.250.4.MISMATCH!nswpull.te
l
>s
>>t
>>>r] a.net!not-for-mail
>>>>< ] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
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>>>>< ] Message-ID: <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.35.188.2
>>>>< ] X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net
>>>>< ] X-Trace: nswpull.telstra.net 919127330 203.35.188.2 (Tue, 16 Feb
>>1999 ]
>>>12:08:50 EST)
>>>>< ] NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:08:50 EST
>>>><
>>>>< "Omni�" <NOSPAM_peterathome@excite.com> writes in article
>>>>< <Cy3y2.131$G81.1418@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>>>><
>>>>< ] If you want to see the best in baby porn
>>>>< ] forget the rest
>>>>< ] come to our secret password protected
>>>>< ] child porn distribution site
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] just send pvt mail
>>>>< ] and we will send you instructions on how
>>>>< ] to send payment and access the best KP site on WWW
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ]
>>>>< ] Think Child Porn
>>>><
>>>>< Well THIS is just disgusting.
>>>>
>>>>The frogery or Omni's slow spastic descent into madness?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
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>>>>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>"Everyone is someone else's Fuckhead."
>>>>- Lady Crystaviel Lockier begats a particularly spiffy philosophy.
>>>>
>>>>"Me Tarzan you Cheeta."
>>>>- Bakunin
>>>>
>>>>"I think the shock of his ass, ehm face, should be so strong to force
>>>>him to delete other words from his brain in order to not find any
>>>>arguments against himself."
>>>>- EagleStorm
>>>>
>>>>"Tipical of the dog to hate the master with a wood in the hand."
>>>>- Sam
>>>>
>>>>"Cacchio... ti e` scappata la signature dalla gabbia."
>>>>- Eaglestorm
>>>>
>>>>"I'm in total awe of your mental skills einstien!"
>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>"You are way out of your league here, and I am a mere amature."
>>>>- not@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>"You are obviously to much of a putz to understand sarcasm, I won't
>>>elaborate."
>>>>- up@thecrack.ofdawn failing to understand sarcasm and PKBing himself
>into
>>>oblivion.
>>>>
>>>>"<You suck!>"
>>>>- CoolBreeze, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>"<IKYABWAI>"
>>>>- Mike, any post (paraphrased)
>>>>
>>>>" And my 2 functioning brain cells are still better then your 1 non
>>>>  functioning cell."
>>>>- Mike, blowing his head off.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





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Subject: Re: WE are MEOW we WILL rule the WWW
Date: 1999/02/17
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meow
hi to net admins worldwide

war is declared
meow will wage war on all of usenet

we are meow
we are lord

meow

meow bitch

--
"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
and
post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store. Meow
is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
started with his
own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his kids
are
stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"

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  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
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888
888
888
888  8888b.
888     "88b
888 .d888888
888 888  888
888 "Y888888

888888888



Ivor Zingradovadeski wrote in message ...
>meow
>
>hi to GiLbErt , bAlOO  , IvOr and the rest of the meowster hackor doods
>
>--
>"We are Meow , the meanest flamers on usenet , but now our hidden agenda is
>uncovered.Omni found out about how we rape children and take photo's of it
>and
>post them on my website. We do it with Gilbert T Sullivan , Balloo and Ivor
>Zingradovadeski . We also run an online Pedophile Book and Video Store.
Meow
>is just a front to distract the cops. It was all 2-balo's brainstorm , he
>started with his
>own children and look at him now he runs an empire of childporn and his
kids
>are
>stars , world famous sperm guzzlers"
>
>8888888 888     888  .d88888b.  8888888b.
>  888   888     888 d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b
>  888   888     888 888     888 888    888
>  888   Y88b   d88P 888     888 888   d88P
>  888    Y88b d88P  888     888 8888888P"
>  888     Y88o88P   888     888 888 T88b
>  888      Y888P    Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b
>MHM23X6     Y8P      "Y88888P"  888   T88b
>
>888
>888
>888
>888  8888b.
>888     "88b
>888 .d888888
>888 888  888
>888 "Y888888
>
>888888888
>
>
>






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From: buyensl@prime*SPAMMERS.GO.HOME*net.com (Lorrill Buyens)
Subject: Re: balo-2 eats news admins for breakfast  FBI are a bunch of faggot niggers
Date: 1999/02/23
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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:13:00 +1100, Omnipedophile, clumsily posing as
"Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net> finished their moo
goo gai pan, opened their fortune cookie and read:

>meow

In case it's escaped your notice, Omni ol' pal, the FBI have done
precisely *jack shit*.  Why don't you take a moment and think about
that?  If you have the brainpower, that is...

FucKKKhead.  [Omni, the FBI has far better things to do than come
running at the screams of a racist homophobe.]




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>The only thing he's got in his skull is a sophisticated tracking system
that
>keeps his nose accurately placed over the line of coke for efficient snorti
FYI
I shoot it , not snort it
have posted that over 50 times this years
your such a empty head
a pottyhead lol



Still showing the world how clueless you are,
its a joke
the guy know's nothing about hard drigs
yet he posts more msg's on adh than any other NG
gilber t sullivan is the same
121 to adh
78 to alt.flame (his home NG)

go home why don't you
rescue what self respect you still have
no one here will laugh at you
honest!!!


--


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                    Dedicated to Trolling the Trolls , Flame the Flamers
                       and Forging the Forgers . We play by No Rules
                              Rules are for Fools - You play you Pay
                                 Membership  since Feb 1999 =  5
==================================================


The 2-Belo wrote in message <36da42f9.762710139@news.alt.net>...
>Lorrill Buyens and alt.fan.karl-malden.nose's illegitimate love-child,
which
>they affectionately named <36d1b76b.66070506@news.primenet.com>, looks like
>this:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:13:00 +1100, Omnipedophile, clumsily posing as
>>"Ivor Zingradovadeski" <izing@klaatu.ftaghn.net> finished their moo
>>goo gai pan, opened their fortune cookie and read:
>>
>>>meow
>>
>>In case it's escaped your notice, Omni ol' pal, the FBI have done
>>precisely *jack shit*.  Why don't you take a moment and think about
>>that?  If you have the brainpower, that is...
>
>The only thing he's got in his skull is a sophisticated tracking system
that
>keeps his nose accurately placed over the line of coke for efficient
snorting.
>
>>FucKKKhead.  [Omni, the FBI has far better things to do than come
>>              running at the screams of a racist homophobe.]
>FucKKKhead.   [Yeah. They're more concerned with trying to bust drug
>               traffickers, for one.]
>
>
>
>--
>The 2-Belo: EMPEROR OF MEOW        news:alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
>================================================================
>           "I'll give up Usenet Performance Art...
>    when they pry the keyboard from my cold, dead fingers."
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>mhm 21x20, the last smeeter, Peter #303, VOTM, former UDP victim
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>    Visit the afk-mn WebCenter: http://afk-mn.eist.co.jp/
>================================================================
>"The Funny Little wilhelp Man has been cracking the folks up for
>years, including sending them to the hospital with split sides."
>     - Biil Palmjob <78rq4m$69l@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
>
>
>                         "Meow, bitch."
>





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 The Belo� wroet: 

> >The only thing he's got in his skull is a sophisticated tracking system
> that
> >keeps his nose accurately placed over the line of coke for efficient snorti
> FYI
> I shoot it , not snort it

thaet way it cannot escape
and being shot
is esily snurted



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From: Phillip the Apostle <ApoPhillip@erols.com>
Subject: In Defense of Omega Christ, and Phillip the Apostle
Date: 1999/02/28
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Dear Concerned News Group Netizens.

This letter was composed with blessings in mind for you.  For years now,
The World
Teacher and His Chosen Apostles have been posting and corresponding with
various
religious and spiritual newsgroups.

Even though, our messages are always of Peace and Enlightenment, and
Teachings you
can�t find anywhere else, we meet adversities from every group, accusing
us of
being something we�re not.  The right accuses us as being �left�, and
vice versa.

We always post on topic, yet are accused of not.  Any Christnet or
religious
group, is appropriate for Christ and His Apostles to disseminate data
in.  Being
accused of �Spam � is also a royal outrage and also getting kind of
boring.   Why
are we so singled out?  Do you know how many false prophets and messiah
imposters
have fallen on their faces in the time that we have been working?
Many.   Has
Omega though?  Certainly not.  His life, and mine have gotten much
better since
airing our teachings.

We have not made one dollar from anybody who�s met us through these
postings.
We�re not selling anything for money in these postings.  There here for
your
discussion and enlightenment.
I�m not even actively selling the brief book he wrote, just publishing
it for free
for the time being.

Some people get so so mad from our postings.  That�s not very nice, but
it�s their
natural response, and it is true enlightenment to love them anyway, and
understand
them.  But they are always always punished through invisible sources,
angels,
sorcerers, Karma and Kizma  work on and with Everybody, uniquely.
Plus, The Mission of Omega and Christ�s Warriors become stronger with
each
accurate swift defense to these disrespectful responses.

We�ve just been offering our wisdom as it comes to us, and as we know it
to be
true.  We will continue to do so.  The People who have accepted our
wisdom as
true, have benefited greatly.  The people who have rejected our wisdom,
are
suffering appropriately in either a purgatory state, or even a hellish
state.  I�m
not saying this for shock value.   It�s my duties to tell, help, and
warn you. I�m
warning you against �screwing it up�.   We�re just giving great
teachings, that�s
it.  If you hurt the feelings of the Happy Master, He won�t feel hurt
forever, but
you hurt the Universal Light of Love and God.  You should all thank me
for warning
you against doing that.

Our job is to point out and also to make manifest Heaven on Earth.  Yet
people
insult Omega and His Apostles.  This is very sad, and temporarily hurts
the
feelings of Christ.  Shame on anyone who�s done that, and yes, those
perpetrators
should feel guilty as heck.

Omega Christ is understanding, and patient in some arenas.   The fearful
will
never get beyond His Rhetoric unless they are collared and leashed,
because their
fear makes it hard to understand what Christ really means, and what
we�re really
talking about.   See, just like in this paragraph.  People, you must
�throw us a
bone�. You are in the presence of Christ.  You must wake up your brain,
and
strengthen your Minds Eye.  Those with strong Mind Eyes can see Omega
Christ
clearly.
Wake up earth people.  It is now too late for ignorance to be tolerated
anymore.
There will be many changes, and you will receive more grace for allowing
Christ to
remove your ignorance right now.  Ignorance is gone now.

All of you �quiet good ones� must come to me now, and roar out together
in the
True Name of The Lord.  He is hear to lay claim to the earth for The
Meek to
inherit it.   The group of Angels of which I am part of, Lord Christ,
The Alpha
and Omega, will blessedly receive reward you.  Christ Himself gets
punished when
He does not speak of what he knows to be true.  So will you.  Christ
hasn�t made
that mistake in a long time.  Have you?

I wish you luck.  With cooperation, Perpetual Bliss with Heaven on
earth, will
happen, and you will like it.  Your life will improve too.  You will see
the
results of your True Faith instantly, and as equally as what you put in
yourself,
to Christ.   If this has to go to the ethereal state, the world will not
be
rewarded as greatly, and all perpetrators will be punished by their
angels�Christ�s Angels.


In His Name,
Phillip the Apostle


Please don�t be mad, at hearing true wisdom.  I am just writing what I
see and
know to be true. If you feel that it infringes upon your freedom, than
that is
your issue, and trying to make me stop it, will not stop your issue from
being a
challenge for you. People who have taken my advice have benefited
greatly.  I have
witnesses for Christ and myself.  Rise above the challenge! Realize what
Christ
IS.  Bless You in the name of Christ.


I bring the question to you intelligent netizens, should the following
kind of
behaviour exhibited by a newsgroup user be allowed?

Subject:
             Re: Subject of Bailey Books Writes His Own!
        Date:
             Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:55:09 -0800
       From:
             Allen Crider <capslock@sirius.com>
 Organization:
             .:.
         To:
             AposlDiane@aol.com, apophillip@erols.com,
             owl117@aol.com, christ@omegachrist.com
  References:
             1






> Subj:    Re: Subject of Bailey's Books, Writes His Own.
> Date:   2/26/99 9:43:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
> From:   capslock@sirius.com (Allen Crider)
> To:     ApoPhillip@erols.com (Phillip the Apostle)
> CC:     owl117@aol.com, parablues@erols.com, Christ@OmegaChrist.com
>
> Phillip the Apostle wrote:
> >
> > Allen Crider wrote:
> >
> > > Phillip the Apostle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My Beloved Spiritual Warriors,
> > > > I will be posting chapters from a book that Om wrote a couple of
years
> > > > ago.
> > >
> > > Please keep the focus of your path centered in the appropriate
newsgroups.
> > >
> > > This newsgroup is for the discussion of the works of AABailey.
> >
> > Uh my posts are very relevant to these particular news groups.  Open
your
> > EYES, HEART, and MIND.  You must have been intrigued by my posting
to want
> to
> > get my attention.  You have.  The Messiah is my boss, and the
subject of my
> > postings.  So are the topics of these news groups.  The Lord has
lost all
> > tolerance for ignorance, I'll see you at www.OmegaChrist.com for
further
> > enlightenment.
> >
> > Yes, I'm serious, and some of His Apostles, are former students of
Bailey.
> You
> > Allen, will have to rely on the clearness of your heart and mind to
make the
> > correct decision for yourself.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Phillip The Apostle
> >
> > Note to Apostasy:  Any information you can share to clear up Mr.
Crider's
> > perception will be appreciated my Om, Myself, and (eventually) Mr.
Crider.
> > Thank You.
>
> You said:  Fuck off, spammer!
> and you sent it to Lord OmegaChrist, and to some of HIS apostles.
>
> Mr Crider!
> I am extremely disappointed

Fuck off, spammer.

And may your omnichrist� keep it's fat, unwiped ass off the newsgroup.
:-)

Hey, that's fun.

Your omnichrist sucks donkey dicks!

Your omnichrist uses you for a puke bucket!

Yes, yes, yes.

Get on your knees apostle diana, and pray that the spam will end!
Phillip is too
insincere to handle me, the anti-omnichrist!

Allen

PS. I like the name omnichrist much more than omegachrist. It makes a
nicer
package, don't you think? Worth more $$$ in terms of donations from the
spiritually disabled.

Haa haa haa





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Phillip the Apostle wrote in message <36D9C9E7.AAF73B4A@erols.com>...
>
>
>Dear Concerned News Group Netizens.
>

<snipped all the stupid parts. oops, nothing left>

I visit the AIDS ward in our local hospital quite often to meet with the
folks there and try to keep their spirits up. It really is one of the
darkest places around, so full of depression and resignation. I printed
out a copy of Phillip's post and took it with me to read out loud to
them all. They were still laughing when I left.

By the way, one of the guys wanted to know if you boys whether you boys
had real jobs or if you still lived in your parents' basements.

JMM
(never thought he would actually meet someone who could change his mind
about opposing abortion, until now...)





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My Dear Group Moderators to Groups I participate in:

I am reporting a newsgroup abuser.  Lately the postings of myself and some of my friends have been getting sabatoged I
believe by one totally "wacky" Allen Crider.  Mr. Crider is sabatoging our postings by reposting them in our name with
the words "spam",  "mixed up words and meanings", and totally "loony" phrases.  He has a right to speak, but he is
writing and posting in my name to cause deliberate sabotage and confusion to an other wise peaceful bunch of spiritual
folks.  I'm currently in touch with my legal resources to begin taking action against  Mr. Crider.  Christ, and religion
is my Love, hobby and work. I spend many hours at my labor of love everyday.  Many on the computer, and it is more than
agitating, having someone sabatoge my work which really confuses the readers.
Nor is my work spamful in any way shape or form.  I do not make money off of postings, and my postings are always on
topic in many Christnet discussion forums. I answer and respond to other people when I can do so constructively, as
well.
Is it the responsebility of the moderator to make sure that people are not sabatoging postings?
In the letter I've enclosed below, Alen Crider sabotaged my posting, reposted t and mailed it to my friend, to "show"
him, and make him "confused and mad". He did not succeed, but I am taking swift action in my measures here.
Could you please see to it that he does not interefere with my postings? I've never sabatoged anybody's postings in my
life, and don't think its fair that he is further allowed to do this.
Look at below here: he made my letter look so messed up, and reposted it in my name.  He must be stopped and never
allowed to do this again. I am checking with my lawyers.  This is uncivilized behavior.
He has no right to stop my opinions from being posted according to the constitution of this country, the USA.
Its not even funny what's he's done, its retarded. Dont let him continue to retard your newsgroups.

The main problem is he wrote that I wrote it.  This is blocking my freedom of speech. Imagine if someone did that to you
and your friends. But he gave us proof of the deviations by sending his offense to Christ@OmegaChrist.com, who fowarded
it to me.  He's a menace to himself.

Alen Crider is a true menace to the well being of freedom of speech on the internet.  He underhandedly sneekily changes
postings, and reposts in our name.  Who knows which one the reader will read first, or what is really happening.  He is
posting in false names, and bragging about it.

He is not our friend, or  are we  just kidding around. We want him to not be able to do this.
Look at what He wrote and posted in my name, and even had the chutzpa to send to MY friend.  My friend sent me, what was
sent to him with a big "?".

>
>
> Subject: Re: Om exposes an Imposter of Messiah: Rick from Westchester
> Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 01:02:28 EDT
> Resent-From: <christ@mail.omegachrist.com>
> Resent-To: Omegakrist@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:56:15 -0800
> From: Allen Crider <capslock@sirius.com>
> Organization: .:.
> To: christ@omegachrist.com
> Newsgroups: alt.Christnet,alt.fan.jesus-christ,alt.christnet.second-coming,alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now
> References: <000e01be63cb$5d333320$680cd6d8@oemcomputer>
>      <36DB6082.635230E8@erols.com>
>
> Phillip the Apostle wrote:
> >
> > Everything you wrote is a lie. I only continue for the Holy power I get in
> my head when I stick my tongue in an electrical socket. I'm pretending at
> > defending the Lord. Even the Lord is telling me to start just deleting your
> meritorious and learned responses to my spam. I have graduated from AOL
> > emails. But this should do my friends good to study the example. My
> time spend in AOL chatrooms has prepared be to become holy. This
> > correspondence with Mr. Wijdry began when he sent me an email marked
> "Truth".
> And what a shock it was! I have no ability to understand such things.
> > WHen I had question from myself and Om, he got very mad, and wet his
> jammies and blankie. He got so mad he threw his bottle at the TV and sent
> > letters to me. Because He falsely claimed to be who Om is, I used my sharp
> tweezers and plucked a sliver from HIS eye. Then I used my forked,
> > sworded tounged techniques well on Him, enlightening Him to his real
> mistaken
> decision to buy Coke instead of Pepsi. I informed him of my insincere
> > identity, His girlfriend, who he's overpossesive of, and his sad humbling
> 1978 Toyota Corolla. I have recipes on my Omnichrist� webpage, my true
> > destiny.  Now look below at what has happened to all his writing.  It has
> become more entertaining. Now, I must spend hours responding. My stuff has
> > degenerated from some truth in to ALL lies. Below He lies, line for line let
> me
> say. But only a retard would believe the pap when I insincerely attempt to
> > point it out.
>
> Haa haa haa, Uncle Phil!
>
> Like that one? Try it, it's fun!
>
> Allen, 777, the Anti-Omnichrist�

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My Dear Group Moderators to Groups I participate in:
<p>I am reporting a newsgroup abuser.&nbsp; Lately the postings of myself
and some of my friends have been getting sabatoged I believe by one totally
"wacky" Allen Crider.&nbsp; Mr. Crider is sabatoging our postings by reposting
them in our name with the words "spam",&nbsp; "mixed up words and meanings",
and totally "loony" phrases.&nbsp; He has a right to speak, but he is writing
and posting in my name to cause deliberate sabotage and confusion to an
other wise peaceful bunch of spiritual folks.&nbsp; I'm currently in touch
with my legal resources to begin taking action against&nbsp; Mr. Crider.&nbsp;
Christ, and religion is my Love, hobby and work. I spend many hours at
my labor of love everyday.&nbsp; Many on the computer, and it is more than
agitating, having someone sabatoge my work which really confuses the readers.
<br>Nor is my work spamful in any way shape or form.&nbsp; I do not make
money off of postings, and my postings are always on topic in many Christnet
discussion forums. I answer and respond to other people when I can do so
constructively, as well.
<br>Is it the responsebility of the moderator to make sure that people
are not sabatoging postings?
<br>In the letter I've enclosed below, Alen Crider sabotaged my posting,
reposted t and mailed it to my friend, to "show" him, and make him "confused
and mad". He did not succeed, but I am taking swift action in my measures
here.
<br>Could you please see to it that he does not interefere with my postings?
I've never sabatoged anybody's postings in my life, and don't think its
fair that he is further allowed to do this.
<br>Look at below here: he made my letter look so messed up, and reposted
it in my name.&nbsp; He must be stopped and never allowed to do this again.
I am checking with my lawyers.&nbsp; This is uncivilized behavior.
<br>He has no right to stop my opinions from being posted according to
the constitution of this country, the USA.
<br>Its not even funny what's he's done, its retarded. Dont let him continue
to retard your newsgroups.
<p>The main problem is he wrote that <u>I </u>wrote it.&nbsp; This is blocking
my freedom of speech. Imagine if someone did that to you and your friends.
But he gave us proof of the deviations by sending his offense to Christ@OmegaChrist.com,
who fowarded it to me.&nbsp; He's a menace to himself.
<p>Alen Crider is a true menace to the well being of freedom of speech
on the internet.&nbsp; He underhandedly sneekily changes postings, and
reposts in our name.&nbsp; Who knows which one the reader will read first,
or what is really happening.&nbsp; He is posting in false names, and bragging
about it.
<p>He is not our friend, or&nbsp; are we&nbsp; just kidding around. We
want him to not be able to do this.
<br>Look at what He wrote and posted in my name, and even had the chutzpa
to send to MY friend.&nbsp; My friend sent me, what was sent to him with
a big<b> "?"</b>.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>Subject: Re: Om exposes an Imposter of Messiah: Rick from Westchester
<br>Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 01:02:28 EDT
<br>Resent-From: &lt;christ@mail.omegachrist.com>
<br>Resent-To: Omegakrist@aol.com
<br>Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:56:15 -0800
<br>From: Allen Crider &lt;capslock@sirius.com>
<br>Organization: .:.
<br>To: christ@omegachrist.com
<br>Newsgroups: alt.Christnet,alt.fan.jesus-christ,alt.christnet.second-coming,alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now
<br>References: &lt;000e01be63cb$5d333320$680cd6d8@oemcomputer>
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;36DB6082.635230E8@erols.com>
<p>Phillip the Apostle wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Everything you wrote is a lie. I only continue for the Holy power
I get in
<br>my head when I stick my tongue in an electrical socket. I'm pretending
at
<br>> defending the Lord. Even the Lord is telling me to start just deleting
your
<br>meritorious and learned responses to my spam. I have graduated from
AOL
<br>> emails. But this should do my friends good to study the example.
My
<br>time spend in AOL chatrooms has prepared be to become holy. This
<br>> correspondence with Mr. Wijdry began when he sent me an email marked
<br>"Truth".
<br>And what a shock it was! I have no ability to understand such things.
<br>> WHen I had question from myself and Om, he got very mad, and wet
his
<br>jammies and blankie. He got so mad he threw his bottle at the TV and
sent
<br>> letters to me. Because He falsely claimed to be who Om is, I used
my sharp
<br>tweezers and plucked a sliver from HIS eye. Then I used my forked,
<br>> sworded tounged techniques well on Him, enlightening Him to his real
<br>mistaken
<br>decision to buy Coke instead of Pepsi. I informed him of my insincere
<br>> identity, His girlfriend, who he's overpossesive of, and his sad
humbling
<br>1978 Toyota Corolla. I have recipes on my Omnichrist� webpage, my true
<br>> destiny.&nbsp; Now look below at what has happened to all his writing.&nbsp;
It has
<br>become more entertaining. Now, I must spend hours responding. My stuff
has
<br>> degenerated from some truth in to ALL lies. Below He lies, line for
line let
<br>me
<br>say. But only a retard would believe the pap when I insincerely attempt
to
<br>> point it out.
<p>Haa haa haa, Uncle Phil!
<p>Like that one? Try it, it's fun!
<p>Allen, 777, the Anti-Omnichrist�</blockquote>
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Phillip Kaplan wrote:
> 
> My Dear Group Moderators to Groups I participate in:
> 
> I am reporting a newsgroup abuser.  Lately the postings of myself and some of
> my friends have been getting sabatoged I believe by one totally "wacky" Allen
> Crider.  

Hey Uncle Phil! I almost missed this post... Glad I saw it.

> Mr. Crider is sabatoging our postings by reposting them in our name
> with the words "spam",  "mixed up words and meanings", and totally "loony"
> phrases.  

Not quite, but it sounds like a good idea for some fun. I only post with my real
name, Phil.

> He has a right to speak, but he is writing and posting in my name

denied.

> to
> cause deliberate sabotage and confusion to an other wise peaceful bunch of
> spiritual folks.  I'm currently in touch with my legal resources to begin
> taking action against  Mr. Crider. 

This is fine. You know my name and my email address is genuine. If no 'legal
resources' get in touch with me, I'll post a newsgroup article pointing this out!

> Christ, and religion is my Love, hobby and
> work. I spend many hours at my labor of love everyday. 

This is the pull here, Phil.

I cannot imagine that you are sincere!

Now... somebody's religious path is their religious path. That's all fine and
good. 

But, your religious organization has a 'com' internet address. You are not an
'org'. Thus, you are not non-profit. Yet, you are asking for donations of
'equiptment' (sic) on your website.

If you aren't for real, the tax man is gonna come calling!

Then there is your lack of spiritual education. Of course, that's my opinion,
but people who get involved with something such as your New Jersey Christ
(Omegachrist�) usually have some kind of background, knowledge, and
understanding of the basics.

Then there is your website with recipes--RECIPES! On the website of the
resurrected Christ? C'mon, Phil... You CAN'T be serious!

But I am disappointed that you posted private email of mine (that had naughty
words) to public newsgroups. Bad manners, Phil. Those naughty words were meant
for YOU, not the Christian folk in public! 

Anyway, I don't think these groups have moderators to do your bidding against
me, but I will certainly stop teasing you if you admit to either your sincerity
or insincerity. How's that for a bargain?

And one more thing... Follow the advice of the Bible when it says: 

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in New Jersey." go not
forth: "Behold, He is in secret chambers." believe it NOT.

(emphasis mine) Matthew 24:26

Ciao, Uncle Phil!

Allen, 777, the Anti-Omnichrist�



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From: Phillip the Apostle <ApoPhillip@erols.com>
Subject: Attn: Moderators and Disciples of Alice Bailey
Date: 1999/03/05
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Please Help me.
Open letter to the person who sprayed spam on us.

This is not spam, you dote.  It is to open discussions and contact
people who study Bailey, as they are the ones who've been meeting about
this.

The subject of my writings is the same subject as Alice A. Bailey, you
ignorant swine.

Do not threaten my right to talk about Christ, whom I know, and is here,
as Bailey wrote would be, in her many books.

Kenneth, you interrupting, pompous butt: Alice Bailey's books, prepare
her students for the coming of Christ right now.  My friend is this
Being.  I write for Him, as His Apostle.  Another of our Apostles is a
disciple of Alice Bailey, and Alice's elite core of "closer" students.

Your conceptions of what I am doing, are wrong, closed, ignorant, and
are draining my precious energy.  You should really reconsider your own
future on the internet, because one more moment of this not guaranteed.
I never bothered you.  It was you who threatened my rights via email.

I am hereby reporting Mr. Kenneth iamone@globalnet.co.uk for his
downright bullying tactics towards my postings and interaction on the
internet.  I am "CC"ing  this to Newsgroup Abuse, This moderator,
members of Bailey's Group, Christnet Ethics, Erols' appropriate
departments,  and Globalnet, your service provider, and Christ Himself.

These kind of threats to our positive messages must not be allowed to
continue.

The Freedom of Speech specifically allows me to post exactly what I
want, what's on my mind.  I am on topic in all groups I post to, and I
correspond with people who are interested in my topics out of common
interest. What more could you ask for, you ungrateful human, Mr. ia mone
@Globalnet.co.uk. I am busy building another web site, and needn't this
expenditure to defend my rights to use news groups.

I would like everyone who reads this to tell iamone@globalnet.co.uk , to
please cease and desist badgering and threatening, thus leaving me to my
postings of truth, and UNcommercialism, and topic relevance.   If you
haven't been to www.OmegaChrist.com, you don't know what you are
condemning or defending, so I urge you to do this.   Please help us.

Sincerely and appreciatively,
Phillip


iamone@globalnet.co.uk wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:25:47 -0500, in alt.metaphysics.a-a-bailey you
> wrote:
>
> >For those of you who think my writings are �very funny�, I thank you
> >all, and encourage those to see the �light� that is within �The
> Light�.
> >This is great.  I need more of you to email me and tell me what
> >newsgroups you are reading our stuff in.  So I can post more for you.
>
> >If you know any place it can go, please submit it there yourself, and
>
> >email me.  Mega Karma points for that, definitely.  This will help us
>
> >not miss any place in this vast Internet, Usenet and Spiritnet.
>
> This dear friend is called 'spam'.
>
> Desist or you will be spammed yourself, and lose your account with
> erols.
>
> I have cc'd this note to them for their consideration.
>
> Kenneth
>
> iamone@globalnet.co.uk




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Phillip Kaplan wrote:
> 
> Please Help me.
> Open letter to the person who sprayed spam on us.
> 
> This is not spam, you dote.  It is to open discussions and contact
> people who study Bailey, as they are the ones who've been meeting about
> this.

Get your spam off the newsgroup alt.metaphysics.a-a-bailey

> The subject of my writings is the same subject as Alice A. Bailey, you
> ignorant swine.
> 
> Do not threaten my right to talk about Christ, whom I know, and is here,
> as Bailey wrote would be, in her many books.

YTou have been asked politely, then angrily. Go away.

> Your conceptions of what I am doing, are wrong, closed, ignorant, and
> are draining my precious energy.

Phil, you are seriously deluded. Go away!

>  You should really reconsider your own
> future on the internet, because one more moment of this not guaranteed.
> I never bothered you.  It was you who threatened my rights via email.
> 

> These kind of threats to our positive messages must not be allowed to
> continue.

Take your 'positive' messages to the proper newsgroups.
> 
> The Freedom of Speech specifically allows me to post exactly what I
> want, what's on my mind. 

Me too. Phil, you are insincere. Your phony omnichrist� is a joke.

Go away.

Get a spiritual education. Then come back and talk!



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On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:51 -0500, Phillip the Apostle
<ApoPhillip@erols.com> wrote:

snip all your crap

For someone who is an apostle, you are foul mouthed and badly behaved.

Please let me know what christ says about my post, as you state you will
report me to him.

No go away and play your games some where else.

BTW, you should learn to read: I said your request to post to other
newsgroups was spam.



Kenneth

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On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:51 -0500, Phillip the Apostle
<ApoPhillip@erols.com> wrote:

>I am hereby reporting Mr. Kenneth iamone@globalnet.co.uk for his
>downright bullying tactics towards my postings and interaction on the
>internet.  I am "CC"ing  this to Newsgroup Abuse, This moderator,
>members of Bailey's Group, Christnet Ethics, Erols' appropriate
>departments,  and Globalnet, your service provider, and Christ Himself.

I shake in my boots, keep looking under my bed and out the window, from
behind the curtains. I am shit scared of your threats, especially of
those to your christ himself. :(

I have an upside down crucifix glued to my window, and have ten rosaries
to hand. 

Enjoying your silly little game are you Phillip? Wake up sunshine, you
are nothing, no thing. Your om is even less.

BTW, why did you not CC to the people you mentioned? You are hot air and
no value to anyone.

Kenneth

iamone@globalnet.co.uk



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On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:51 -0500, Phillip the Apostle
<ApoPhillip@erols.com> wrote:

>These kind of threats to our positive messages must not be allowed to
>continue.

Ah shame, such a poor defenseless boy, who needs protection and plays
his game according to his rules, and stamps his feet when he does not
get what he wants.

>The Freedom of Speech specifically allows me to post exactly what I
>want, what's on my mind.  

As it does for me. Now what?

>I am on topic in all groups I post to, and I
>correspond with people who are interested in my topics out of common
>interest. What more could you ask for, you ungrateful human, Mr. ia mone
>@Globalnet.co.uk. 

Of course I AM ungrateful, that is why I wrote in the first place. You
are spamming on the internet, thinking you are so important and a 'true'
apostle. Such an inflated ego, but really very immature. 

Spamming on the internet is not tolerated, and you will soon see other
groups asking you to piss off.

BTW, my user name is  I AM ONE. Take this as you may.

My name is Kenneth Kershaw, and I live in Bath, in the UK.

What is your name, and where do you live?

>I am busy building another web site, and needn't this
>expenditure to defend my rights to use news groups.

Then don't. We do not want your defence any way. Defence and attack are
the same, in case you wondered, and I enjoy attacking you, as you are so
full of self-righteousness.

Lovely!!

Kenneth

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On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:51 -0500, Phillip the Apostle
<ApoPhillip@erols.com> wrote:

>I would like everyone who reads this to tell iamone@globalnet.co.uk , to
>please cease and desist badgering and threatening, 

I am not badgering you, nor threatening you. I did what I said I would
do, and informed you thereof. So there was no threat, just information
of my actions.

I have asked you once, and informed you once that you are a spammer.

Your self-righteousness has made you angry with me, for taking you to
task. 

Your immaturity now makes you plead with others for help in what you see
as a slight on your integrity, and as such you seek retribution.

Ask your christ what: forgive us as we forgive them:  means, will you?
and then practice it.

>thus leaving me to my
>postings of truth, and UNcommercialism, and topic relevance.   

You only think you have the truth. You think that you are correct, and
all others are incorrect. If the truth stood up and hit you, you would
not recognize it. 

>If you
>haven't been to www.OmegaChrist.com, you don't know what you are
>condemning or defending, so I urge you to do this.   

I have been to your silly little site, that you value so much. It
screams out: our christ is immature, we are playing a wonderful game
here, we are all so important, that all must do our will. We are
soldiers!!

There are absolutely no teachings worthy of anyone there, never mind the
christ.

>Please help us.

Help yourself first. Have a good look at what you are doing, what you
believe in, and see the game you are playing.

Kenneth

iamone@globalnet.co.uk



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On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:51 -0500, Phillip the Apostle
<ApoPhillip@erols.com> wrote:

>
>Kenneth, you interrupting, pompous butt: 

Tsk tsk, go wash your mouth out with soap and water. For a disciple your
behavior is a good example of the game you are playing.

>Alice Bailey's books, prepare
>her students for the coming of Christ right now.  

Incorrect. DK only discusses the Reappearance of Christ, and does not
teach students to get prepared.

>My friend is this
>Being.  

You are foolish to believe this 'friend'. He is an imposter, worse than
all the others, as he has no substance at all.

>I write for Him, as His Apostle.  Another of our Apostles is a
>disciple of Alice Bailey, and Alice's elite core of "closer" students.

Did you know that Alice is dead?? I bet you do not, else you would not
say 'Alice's elite core', as she cannot have any.  Bad luck dude.
Kenneth

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OH here we go again. Christians fighting over ng space, as fighting over
territory. Did not Christ say if my kingdom were of this world then would my
servants fight? Why not
stay to the mission. There is no competion in Christian ministry. God can
use all He can get, and He certainly does not like fighting amongst His
servants. OK? Please!
Phillip the Apostle wrote in message <36E0AC33.F53707EF@erols.com>...
>Please Help me.
>Open letter to the person who sprayed spam on us.
>
>This is not spam, you dote.  It is to open discussions and contact
>people who study Bailey, as they are the ones who've been meeting about
>this.
>
>The subject of my writings is the same subject as Alice A. Bailey, you
>ignorant swine.
>
>Do not threaten my right to talk about Christ, whom I know, and is here,
>as Bailey wrote would be, in her many books.
>
>Kenneth, you interrupting, pompous butt: Alice Bailey's books, prepare
>her students for the coming of Christ right now.  My friend is this
>Being.  I write for Him, as His Apostle.  Another of our Apostles is a
>disciple of Alice Bailey, and Alice's elite core of "closer" students.
>
>Your conceptions of what I am doing, are wrong, closed, ignorant, and
>are draining my precious energy.  You should really reconsider your own
>future on the internet, because one more moment of this not guaranteed.
>I never bothered you.  It was you who threatened my rights via email.
>
>I am hereby reporting Mr. Kenneth iamone@globalnet.co.uk for his
>downright bullying tactics towards my postings and interaction on the
>internet.  I am "CC"ing  this to Newsgroup Abuse, This moderator,
>members of Bailey's Group, Christnet Ethics, Erols' appropriate
>departments,  and Globalnet, your service provider, and Christ Himself.
>
>These kind of threats to our positive messages must not be allowed to
>continue.
>
>The Freedom of Speech specifically allows me to post exactly what I
>want, what's on my mind.  I am on topic in all groups I post to, and I
>correspond with people who are interested in my topics out of common
>interest. What more could you ask for, you ungrateful human, Mr. ia mone
>@Globalnet.co.uk. I am busy building another web site, and needn't this
>expenditure to defend my rights to use news groups.
>
>I would like everyone who reads this to tell iamone@globalnet.co.uk , to
>please cease and desist badgering and threatening, thus leaving me to my
>postings of truth, and UNcommercialism, and topic relevance.   If you
>haven't been to www.OmegaChrist.com, you don't know what you are
>condemning or defending, so I urge you to do this.   Please help us.
>
>Sincerely and appreciatively,
>Phillip
>
>
>iamone@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:25:47 -0500, in alt.metaphysics.a-a-bailey you
>> wrote:
>>
>> >For those of you who think my writings are �very funny�, I thank you
>> >all, and encourage those to see the �light� that is within �The
>> Light�.
>> >This is great.  I need more of you to email me and tell me what
>> >newsgroups you are reading our stuff in.  So I can post more for you.
>>
>> >If you know any place it can go, please submit it there yourself, and
>>
>> >email me.  Mega Karma points for that, definitely.  This will help us
>>
>> >not miss any place in this vast Internet, Usenet and Spiritnet.
>>
>> This dear friend is called 'spam'.
>>
>> Desist or you will be spammed yourself, and lose your account with
>> erols.
>>
>> I have cc'd this note to them for their consideration.
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>> iamone@globalnet.co.uk
>





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< In article <OAMp1.1390$IA2.6228119@ptah.visi.com>, drechsau@yuck.net 
< says...
< > In winternet.help Mike_Schneder <DISAPP@winternet.com> wrote:
< > 
< > 
< > :   Whorewath, you blockhead....
< > 
< > Are you claiming that I caneled a message of yours?
< 
< Are you going to deny your rogue cancels 3 months back - using you 
< "cancel bot" that only worked on posts which had content that you 
< objected to?
< 
< Mike doesn't have to *claim* anything.
< 
< The proof is out there for anybody who wants to go and look.
< 
< You are a cheeze head Horwath.
< 
< But I hope you keep up with your little tricks.
< 
< Someday some netgod is going to pay extra special attention to your 
< abuses and deal with it appropriately.
< 
< Why did they fire you at winternet Horwath?
< 
< Doesn't it upset you that you can't play your little games with Mike 
< Schnieders new ISP?
< 
< ROFL
< 
< MW
< 
< -------Master Chief in charge of Political Incorrection-----
< ************VRWC Irregular Officer Training Corps******

-- Waiting patiently for my apology.



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In article <rayheizer-1107981725360001@op75.value.net>, 
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> 
> -- Waiting patiently for my apology.
> 

The issue of Horwath's cancels I believe is the cancels that he took part 
in 3 months ago.

I don't know if the recent cancels have anything to do with Horwath, but 
I never believed or asserted that they were caused by you Ray.

MW 
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In article <rayheizer-1107981725360001@op75.value.net>, 
rayheizer@value.net says...

> 
> -- Waiting patiently for my apology.
> 

The issue of Horwath's cancels I believe is the cancels that he took part 
in 3 months ago.

I don't know if the recent cancels have anything to do with Horwath, but 
I never believed or asserted that they were caused by you Ray.

MW 
-------Master Chief in charge of Political Incorrection-----
************VRWC Irregular Officer Training Corps******


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In article <OAMp1.1390$IA2.6228119@ptah.visi.com>, drechsau@yuck.net 
says...
> In winternet.help Mike_Schneder <DISAPP@winternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> :   Whorewath, you blockhead....
> 
> Are you claiming that I caneled a message of yours?

Are you going to deny your rogue cancels 3 months back - using you 
"cancel bot" that only worked on posts which had content that you 
objected to?

Mike doesn't have to *claim* anything.

The proof is out there for anybody who wants to go and look.

You are a cheeze head Horwath.

But I hope you keep up with your little tricks.

Someday some netgod is going to pay extra special attention to your 
abuses and deal with it appropriately.

Why did they fire you at winternet Horwath?

Doesn't it upset you that you can't play your little games with Mike 
Schnieders new ISP?

ROFL

MW

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In article <MPG.10119c572e515a9b98972c@news.cow-net.com>,
tiltulum@cow-net.com (MW) wrote:

< In article <OAMp1.1390$IA2.6228119@ptah.visi.com>, drechsau@yuck.net 
< says...
< > In winternet.help Mike_Schneder <DISAPP@winternet.com> wrote:
< > 
< > 
< > :   Whorewath, you blockhead....
< > 
< > Are you claiming that I caneled a message of yours?
< 
< Are you going to deny your rogue cancels 3 months back - using you 
< "cancel bot" that only worked on posts which had content that you 
< objected to?
< 
< Mike doesn't have to *claim* anything.
< 
< The proof is out there for anybody who wants to go and look.
< 
< You are a cheeze head Horwath.
< 
< But I hope you keep up with your little tricks.
< 
< Someday some netgod is going to pay extra special attention to your 
< abuses and deal with it appropriately.
< 
< Why did they fire you at winternet Horwath?
< 
< Doesn't it upset you that you can't play your little games with Mike 
< Schnieders new ISP?
< 
< ROFL
< 
< MW
< 
< -------Master Chief in charge of Political Incorrection-----
< ************VRWC Irregular Officer Training Corps******

-- Waiting patiently for my apology.
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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
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>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
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>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
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>
>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
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>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
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>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
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>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
>-+>> MEOW>--
>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day  |  About My
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>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
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>-+>> 
>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
>-+>
>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
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>
>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
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(el rocko) farted and killed a pig:

>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
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>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
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>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
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>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
>-+>> MEOW>--
>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
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>
>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
(el rocko) farted and killed a pig:

>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
>-+>> MEOW>--
>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day  |  About My
>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/           | Geek Code!"
>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
>-+>> MEOW>beans.
>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
>-+>> MEOW>   (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you would have just built
>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which collapsed, killing
>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
>-+>> 
>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
>-+>
>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
>-+>nuclear.
>
>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
world punishment enough?


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From: DISAPP@winternet.com (Mike_Schneder)
Subject: Re: Outing a net nazi rogue canceller - Mike Horwath - refuge from winternet
Date: 1998/07/12
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In article <MPG.1011d85d9cc526aa989731@news.cow-net.com>,
tiltulum@cow-net.com (MW) wrote:

>In article <rayheizer-1107981725360001@op75.value.net>, 
>rayheizer@value.net says...
>
>> 
>> -- Waiting patiently for my apology.
>> 
>
>The issue of Horwath's cancels I believe is the cancels that he took part 
>in 3 months ago.
>
>I don't know if the recent cancels have anything to do with Horwath...


   To my knowledge, he doesn't.

   He's just a hyena prowling the edge of camp, and thought he saw a
chance at a quick lick.

-- 
Scott Erb, university professor and thief at-large, wrote:

"If someone needs to take something from someone who is wealthy
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rely on the force of government to keep you guys in line and paying
your taxes.  Whine away on the internet if you feel better."
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In article <MPG.1011d85d9cc526aa989731@news.cow-net.com>,
tiltulum@cow-net.com (MW) wrote:

>In article <rayheizer-1107981725360001@op75.value.net>, 
>rayheizer@value.net says...
>
>> 
>> -- Waiting patiently for my apology.
>> 
>
>The issue of Horwath's cancels I believe is the cancels that he took part 
>in 3 months ago.
>
>I don't know if the recent cancels have anything to do with Horwath...


   To my knowledge, he doesn't.

   He's just a hyena prowling the edge of camp, and thought he saw a
chance at a quick lick.

-- 
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"If someone needs to take something from someone who is wealthy
in order to survive, it would be morally just to do so....I'll just
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Let me be the first to apologize to the newsgroups for Irish's lack of
netiquette and dragging this situation into your respective newsgroups.
As an explanation of why I sent her a request I have copied two of the
offending posts (one insinuatinge I was with someone else and another
implying she would post private information that could hurt our family
as a whole). I sincerely hope she will grow up and handle herself in an
adult like manner and keep in private as I have tried to do. The sad
thing is that I have not post or emailed her in a month or more. I only
get attacked and considering a post by a fellow aoler suggests that my
children should burn in hell I thought I could at least try to avail
miss judith to stick to the individual she has a problem with and not
his family. I also apologize for any responses she makes to this as I'm
sure they won't be worth mentioning or reading (ie profanity, childish
antics, and false accusations). I would suggest those of you who easily
get offended to disregard this thread. My sympathies to all and hope she
will end this. I will no longer respond to anything else she has to say,
I just wanted to enlighten others to what she says in other newsgroups
which she at least had the wit not to include in her post of my PRIVATE
email and to why I sent her the request. Thank you. Linda 


Subject:      Re: Ateam.org found guilty of tax evasion!
From:         irishrs711@aol.com (IrishRs711)
Date:         1998/07/20
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>
Ken wrote:

>Do you have a CLUE as to how much i would have had to EARN to OWE $1.1
>MILLION
>in back taxes????????    I WISH!!!!!!
>
>Oh well,  life must be VERY boring in Boston.
>

No Shit!!!!!!  If it was true I'd be impressed!

Too bad it's just a couple of idiots masterbating with their keyboards
again.

Rumor has it that "Linda" is out of town. Wonder if "John" has joined
her?

We need those two to stay put and put out to keep their insignificant
others
occupied.

Subject:      Re: 100's of Pangk's cmsg cancels?
From:         irishrs711@aol.com (IrishRs711)
Date:         1998/07/23
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>Subject: Re: 100's of Pangk's cmsg cancels?
>From: Liberty <liberty45@mediaone.net>
>Date: Wed, Jul 22, 1998 20:22 EDT
>Message-id: <35B68303.3AC2FEF3@mediaone.net>
>
>PangK wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >From: Liberty <liberty45@mediaone.net>
>> 
>> >Some of PangK's postings included forgeries, where he had altered posts by
>> adding my email address or that of other people.
>> 
>>    Funny, you have BRAGGED about posting those self same posts, and some of
>> them even appear on YOUR web page David. 
>
>Oh?  Which ones would those be?  On my web page, I have copies of posts
>you forged, followed by copies of the originals.  Trouble is, you can't
>even forge posts right.  What you're doing here is a feeble attempt at a
>smoke screen.  
>
>
> The real problem is that you didn't
>> like being OUTED for YOUR posts.
>
>No....I didn't like having something attributed to me, which was in
>actuality probably written by Joe Oconnor or Sammy Escape.
>
>> 
>> >Details about Pangborn's net abuse can be found on my web site:
>> 
>>    Much of which you have FORGED or altered David.
>
>Everything on my website is authentic.  You are the only person who has
>been proven to conduct forgeries.  
>
>
>
> Of course YOUR abuse CAN be
>> verified on Dejanews searches under your various screen names before you
>were
>> thrown off, such as freedom23@hotmail.com,
>> val23, and so on. 
>
>I was not thrown off neither freedom23 nor val23.  I left freedom23 in
>favor of a faster, cable modem service, and val23 still exists.
>
>
>
>The ones you attribute to me can ONLY be found at YOUR site.
>> And that was true even before we cancelled many of my old posts.
>
>"We" did not cancel anything.  AOL cancelled your posts because many of
>them consisted of forgeries and flames, and very likely unlawful acts,
>like posting of people's social security numbers.
>
I think I want to have some fun with numbers too.  Which ones should I
post?  A
search on David Moore brings some interesting ones. 

Not posted by Ken either.  

Search on that name and you'll find a social security number, a Drivers
license
number and even an address.  Wonder what someone like "anonymous" would
do with
that information?

Wonder what the other "coalition" members will do with it when they turn
on
each other like rabid jackals.  No honor among theives or sociopaths, is
there?
>
>
>For a story of internet abuse, surf to:
>http://people.ce.mediaone.net/liberty45/pangk.html


IrishRs711 wrote:
> 
> Subj:    Request
> Date:   98-07-23 14:56:00 EDT
> From:   silhouette@mediaone.net
> To:     IrishRS711@aol.com
> CC:     abuse@aol.net
> 
> I request that you leave any mention of me or my name out of your little
> war. I do not appreciate it and feel harrassed by it. Please find some
> other way to "fight" your stupid little war without harrassing me or my
> children. Thank you.
> 
> ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
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>           Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:55:58 -0400 (EDT)
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> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:56:07 -0500
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> 
> Subj:   Re: Request
> Date:   07/23/98
> To:     silhouette@mediaone.net
> CC:     abuse@aol.net
> , abuse@mediaone.net
> 
> I have told you in the newsgroups that I do NOT wish to receive email from your
> household.
> 
> When will you and your fucking creep stalker husband get that through your sick
> perverted heads?
> 
> You people are sick and you WILL stop your harassment of me immediately.
> 
> This is the first and ONLY email I will send to you.  All further dealings will
> be handled as I have done in the past, through the PUBLIC newsgroups. Or
> through coorespondence with your ISP.
> 
> Your husband and and his sociopathic cronies have forged my identity on the
> newsgroups and through AOL's instant messages, have defamed myself and my dead
> mother and you need to stop it immediately.
> 
> Mediaone, you need to keep these sick fucks from emailing me anymore.
> 
> Judith



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Subject: Re: More unwanted email and my response
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From: spiro@driller.killer (Spiro)
Subject: Threats of netcopping and violence from  Craig "Tubby" Oldfield
Date: 1998/07/25
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In article <669585961wnr@thebrink.demon.co.uk>, 
Craig@thebrink.demon.co.uk says...
>
>In article: <901216700snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>  {R}@sunshine.tm 
(Richard 
>Ashton) writes:
>
>> } That's because you're a dense racist, jules.
>> 
>> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.tmlp.com
>> 
>> Bye, fuckwit.
>
>Interesting to note that tmlp.com specifically refer to
>abusive behaviour in their AUP, sus[ect their postmaster will 
>be interested in Nigels latest outpourings.
>

Hey "Tubby" do you know what the Sword of Damocles represents?


>Also useful to narrow down his geographical area.
>

Now you're not about to threaten to pay him a personal visit with your 
baseball are you? BTW, I'm from Glasgow. You're welcome to try your 
luck any time. I'll name the time and place if you like.


-- 
Spiro




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From: spiro@driller.killer (Spiro)
Subject: Re: Threats of netcopping and violence from Craig "Tubby" Oldfield
Date: 1998/07/26
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In article <8ZeNKcAf0hu1EwK7@gambier.demon.co.uk>, 
andrew@gambier.demon.co.uk says...
>
>In article <6pcvg8$g8q$8@dosa.alt.net>, Spiro <spiro@driller.killer>
>writes
>
>>
>>Now you're not about to threaten to pay him a personal visit 
>>with your baseball are you? BTW, I'm from Glasgow. You're welcome 
>>to try your luck any time. I'll name the time and place if you like.
>>
>
>The bit of pathetic posturing above incidentally comes from 
>someone too chickenshit to use their real name when they post.
>
>[newsgroups trimmed]
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who did you say was a coward?


>My money's on you being a 5'1" 
>
Nope


>94 pound
>
Nope


>puny
>
Nope


>weakling
>
Nope


>with bad skin,
>
Nope


>currently living in Surrey.  
>
I didn't know Glasgow was in Surrey. Have you told the people of 
Surrey?


>Ain't the Internet grand?
>
Yes.


-- 
spiro
 

 
 
 
 




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Subject: Re: Threats of netcopping and violence from  Craig "Tubby" Oldfield
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In article <vZC1awBlbiu1MwIk@albion-bstairs.demon.co.uk>, 
j.latter@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
>
>In article <6pcvg8$g8q$8@dosa.alt.net>, Spiro <spiro@driller.killer>
>writes
>
>>Now you're not about to threaten to pay him a personal visit 
>>with your baseball are you? BTW, I'm from Glasgow.
>
>Ooh, we *are* scared.....NOT.
>
Why should you be scared? I don't recall me threatening anybody - 
whether it be to tract down their home address and/or carry out acts of 
violence against people who disagree with me - unlike Craig "Tubby" 
Oldfield.


>>You're welcome to try your luck any time. I'll name the time 
>>and place if you like.
>>
>Just how did this soft sack o' shit crawl outta my killfile?  Get back
>under that rock where you belong, fuckwit.
>
>*plonk*
>
Bet you look, fuckchops.


-- 
spiro
 
 
 
 




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On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 02:05:42 -0700, "LeeLooAckpthStar MackBar, a
Socially Correct Hezbollah and Armchair Jihad"
<LeeLooAckpthStarapahtseebaht@gte.net> wrote:

>Nobody else ever came up with a better way to stop flames on usenet.


Ummm like how 'bout ignoring them for one?

:)

----------------
Diane Arons



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spiro@driller.killer (Spiro) writes:

> >[newsgroups trimmed]
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Who did you say was a coward?

Please cease polluting demon.service with your shit. And while you're about it, you can remove 90% of the other groups, as well.

Imbecilig net-abusing fool.

*plonk*

[Followups redirected somewhere more apt]

-- 
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From: Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>
Subject: Re: "Celeste" threatens to cancel across all of usenet
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LeeLooAckpthStar MackBar, a Socially Correct Hezbollah and Armchair Jihad wrote:
> Celeste sure did enough canceling to get your attention.

No, a thread got my attention. Cancels are ineffective on my news servers,
and others as well. 	

> How often do you see someone running a cancelbot right out in the open
> in total defiance of the cabal?

Not often enough. 

> She made some kind of a point.
> Something about stopping the flames
> in that alt.support.srs news group.

This was perhaps misguided. 

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!! stopping flames - not a bad idea.
> Not such a kooky intention.

Actually in my mind it is. Humanity has too much variance in it to expect
flames to stop. If they do, I'd worry seriously about the homogeneous nature
of the race. Flames remind me that there is, in fact, life out here on
Usenet.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
  >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet 

"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the
thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power
to revoke at any moment."                      - Marcus Aurelius, 121-180



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From: spiro@driller.killer (Spiro)
Subject: Re: Threats of netcopping and violence from  Craig "Tubby" Oldfield
Date: 1998/07/27
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In article <901449826snz@broke.demon.co.uk>, Piers@broke.demon.co.uk says...
>
>In article <6pduks$7fv$1@dosa.alt.net> spiro@driller.killer "Spiro" writes:
>
>> Why should you be scared? I don't recall me threatening anybody - 
>> whether it be to tract down their home address and/or carry out acts of 
>> violence against people who disagree with me - unlike Craig "Tubby" 
>> Oldfield.
>
>You haven't got a very good memory then. 
>

Post proof or STFU.


>
>It's getting there, gradually. Are you getting bored with d.l.? Trying
>to find some way out? Tough.
>

You're sounding like a stuck record Peter. Not much originality there.

Now what else have you been saying for the past four months: they'll be gone 
in two weeks.


-- 
spiro
 
 
 




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From: nthornley@dennon.co.uk (Nigel Thorley)
Subject: Re: Time to update the News AUP?
Date: 1998/07/27
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On Thu, 23 Jul 98 16:23:38 GMT, {R}@sunshine.tm (Richard Ashton) posted
<901211018snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm> to demon.service:

>In article <ufiukpl7oi.fsf@click.bofh.org> gt@bofh.org "Giles Todd" writes:
>
>} As far as I can see, the objections to my and others' names appearing
>} above the signature separator boil down to the opinion that the
>} poster's name should not appear in the body of a message (i.e. between
>} the header lines and the signature separator).  For this post only, I
>} shall endeavour to comply with that opinion.
>}
>} Wm..(is it two dots or three?)
>} --
>} Mind you, in all other posts I may make on this subject, I shall quite
>} deliberately take the piss out of such a ludicrous position.  I do
>} hope that those who object will put my posts into their kill files.  I
>} know that I shall theirs.  Oops!  Four lines PLUS the separator.  Sigh.
>
>1) If that is a valid SONof1036 sig sep ie: "-- " then it doesn't count.
>2) Arguing with pedantic shits, in demon local [where else], produced
>   a definition of a sig as "regularly placed closing material". This was
>3) This was necessary as fuckwits like Doug Bolen were including 6
>   lines in their sig file and claiming that as the second was -- then
>   there were only four underneath.
>
>4) most demon.local regulars and Usenet savvy persons do one of two
>   things

LMAO! "demon.local regulars" and "Usenet savvy persons" are mutually
exclusive...

After all, d.l is home to idiots who think they can define spam however they see
fit...


>a) have a very short one line sig.
>b) change the quote often.
>
>{R} who notes Giles's sig is very old and smelly now.

It's your upper lip, choad-smoker.


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"jules" <jules@sepulchre.demon.co.uk> issues a threat in message
<52Lx2BAOP0p1EwAG@sepulchre.demon.co.uk> -

You are still in my killfile but when you mention my name I will be
watching you, so be very careful what you say about me, or you 
will find yourself looking for a new connection.



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From: nthornley@dennon.co.uk (Nigel Thorley)
Subject: Re: Threats of netcopping and violence from Craig "Tubby" Oldfield
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On 26 Jul 1998 16:57:30 +0100, Nix <{$eri}$@esperi.demon.co.uk> posted
<87hg044nbp.fsf@loki.wkstn.nix> to demon.service:

>spiro@driller.killer (Spiro) writes:
>
>> >[newsgroups trimmed]
>> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> Who did you say was a coward?
>
>Please cease polluting demon.service with your shit. 
>And while you're about it, you can remove 90% of the other groups, as well.


Trimming the groups line is a violation of Dennon Online's TOS. Consider
yourself net-cop-ed.

>Imbecilig net-abusing fool.

<guffaw>


>*plonk*
>
>[Followups redirected somewhere more apt]

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"jules" <jules@sepulchre.demon.co.uk> issues a threat in message
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You are still in my killfile but when you mention my name I will be
watching you, so be very careful what you say about me, or you 
will find yourself looking for a new connection.



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Subject: Re: Does Celeste want her own Hierarchy?
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Yes I would like to have my own hierarchy ...

When do we get started building it?






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From: nospam@sexzilla.net (Lionel Lauer)
Subject: Re: Does Celeste want her own Hierarchy?
Date: 1998/07/28
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Kibo informs me that "Celeste" <celestes.spamfree@hotmail.com> stated
that:

>Yes I would like to have my own hierarchy ...
>
>When do we get started building it?

Now if you like.

The format is easier than a cancel message.
There's a FAQ that describes the correct format for a newgroup (although
I don't recall which group it's posted in offhand - news.admin.misc?),
or you can look it up in RFC-1036.

Write up your newgroup, stick a charter on it & post it. 
Easy!

The tricky bit is to convince the newsadmins to carry it on their
respective servers.



Lionel.
-- 
Grep bait: qmail, Archimedes Plutonium, turkey, Kibo, Wollmann, Meow.
Grep bait de jour: Theresa Willis, Terri
Perna condita delenda est. Agree? - See http://www.ybecker.net/pink/
 "Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."



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From: "Celeste" <celestes.spamfree@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Does Celeste want her own Hierarchy?
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My dear Lionel:

How quickly people forget there is a certain little news group about
about which there was a great ruckus the other day, Well I newgrouped
the puppy and its predecessor. I know all about writing charters, FAQs
and spending months and months sending boosters and getting readers to
email their ISPs to add the group. Lots of fun that is. Its like breast
feeding and changing diapers, not to mention the toddler tantrum stage
of a new news group.


Lionel Lauer wrote in message <35bfb9f3.7195758@enews.newsguy.com>...
>Kibo informs me that "Celeste" <celestes.spamfree@hotmail.com> stated
>that:
>
>>Yes I would like to have my own hierarchy ...
>>
>>When do we get started building it?
>
>Now if you like.
>
>The format is easier than a cancel message.
>There's a FAQ that describes the correct format for a newgroup
(although
>I don't recall which group it's posted in offhand - news.admin.misc?),
>or you can look it up in RFC-1036.
>
>Write up your newgroup, stick a charter on it & post it.
>Easy!
>
>The tricky bit is to convince the newsadmins to carry it on their
>respective servers.
>
>
>
>Lionel.
>--
>Grep bait: qmail, Archimedes Plutonium, turkey, Kibo, Wollmann, Meow.
>Grep bait de jour: Theresa Willis, Terri
>Perna condita delenda est. Agree? - See http://www.ybecker.net/pink/
> "Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."




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From: "Generous Sp*on" <bop@snail#.com>
Subject: Re: Latest Skippy Tactic
Date: 1998/07/28
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Nick wrote in message <35e0fbef.20274643@news.demon.co.uk>...

>At least the positive effects of the Skippy Experiment will, in the
>long-term, outweigh the negative.


   Oh, *The Skippy Experiment*, eh? So I guess
   that *Joey* was the Skipper, huh? I'll pass this
   information/claim along to those who should know.
   LOL. Whose lead-headed idea was it that ALS
   regulars harrass themselves!!!? My gawd, are
   there any limits to idiocy???? At long last, are there
   ANY limits to idiocy????





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From: handle@adnc.com (tom hayes)
Subject: New record: Moron Post 25 times in  a day
Date: 1998/08/02
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"QualityBUDinformation" pelopas@doitnow.com has posted 25 messages in a
very short period to alt.video.satellite.4dtv. At least 15 of these
messages can be considered SPAM for promotion of a product called DISH
Network. Why SPAM? Because in almost every message he promotes a product
instead of carrying on a discussion. Surely there is an acceptable use
policy that he has violated :)

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Please do not lie.  It is not appropriate.
I never sent you such e-mail.  I did however posted
that information received from a 4DTV dealer.

DavidB9608 wrote in message
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>Someone sent me an email saying there are 50,000 4dtv recievers.
>I think his name was peloponeseus.
>David

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4DTV has failed.  Even at 50,000 sales it is still a big nothing.
However, other e-mails bring the number to close to 10,000 4dTV
receivers still operating. Remember how many have been returned?
GI will most likely give up on the 4DTV by the end of the year.
A product that looses money cannot be suported for ever.
Just my opinion.


Steven Sprachman wrote in message
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What bugs on 4DTV??  Is it too much to admit that it is the greatest way
to get real satellite TV not reprocessed hash!!  There's more of every
thing via 4DTV-- more FREE ethnic channels, more cable channels, more
audio services and it is extremely easy to use.  Does Dish have all the
new Spanish DMX music channles?  You had to watch The MTV/VH-1 Suite
channels testing to see how good digital TV actually looks.  The showed
a video that was so rapid that my eyes couldn"t keep up with it and the
picture stayed sharp- no artifacts, no blurriness.  I was in our local
Sears last weekend and while my wife shops I go play in Brand Central.
The Dish Network display had on the local MSG sports channel with an
equestrian event.  Every time the horses moved the picture blurred up.
It just couldn't take any fast action.
I am NOT an employee of GI.  I work for the State of New York.  I am a
satisfied customer and user of the 4DTV.  I highly recommend the
receiver to anyone thinking of buying one.  I give GI a great deal of
credit for being the only company to invest in the future of C-Band and
the support they have shown is great!!  4DTV is the only product out
there to give home satellite viewers access to many of the new cable
networks that may take years to get on a DBS or our local cable system.
DC II will be around a lot longer than analogue, so the expensive door
stops will be all those people who have analogue receivers and did not
upgrade to a 4DTV.  If 4DTV  does not succeed now ( and I think it will
regardless of the constant bashing done by PKK, BH and several others in
this NG) than why would anyone expect another manufacturer to come out
with a simular dgital receiver for the home C-Band market.
Just my opinion based on the ownership of he BEST satellite receiver on
the market.

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Thank you so much for your excellent letter.  Keep on enjoying
the 4DTV.  I wish you knew about DISH before you invested so much money
on the 4DTV.

Picture quality on both 4DTV and DISH do not compare with analog.
Programming,  it is your choice.
Feeds: forget it  (digital).
Price:  DISH  $49  4DTV $800 or more (posted).
Quality: DISH OK   4DTV- a lot have been returned as posted by several
people
(is it true?).
Receivers sold:  DISH 1.5 million or so,  4DTV - 20.000 ?
Future:  DISH - excellent,  4DTV- ?



Steven Sprachman wrote in message
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Mr. Pelopas (Mr. BUDisinformation), I never see you post on the
Echostar/Dishnetwork NG how great Dish is.  All I see are postings as to
how lousy the picture is.  They added Fx (which on C-band is only
encrypted during Baseball) to the Dishnetwork so now people are
complaining about the picture quality of some other channels.  If I used
the Echostar NG as a guide to my possibly purchasing a $49 dish (or
whatever the actual real price is), I would never buy one.  There are
owners of the Echostar Dishnetwork complaining on the Echostar NG.  On
this NG, most of the complainers are non-owners like yourself.  Maybe
it's time you take a new test drive of the 4DTV.  Maybe you should start
reading the Echostar NG on a daily basis!!!!
No one who owns a 4DTV will tell you it's the perfect satellite
receiver.  Who wouldn't like a receiver that picks up all different
digital systems and decodes the encryption.  But there isn't such a
receiver now and I doubt there ever will be.  I don't see a home version
of the Powervu or Wegner receiver being talked about.  I don't see
Scientific Atlanta or Wegner or CLI licensing their technology to anyone
else. Sure I could get a DVB receiver like a Pansat or Huyndai that wll
pick up all the "great" digital feeds (maybe), but does it decode the
encrypted channels? NO.  Does it get any of the American digital cable
channels? A few.  Does it get all the digital HBO, Cinemax, Showtime,
TMC and Flix Channels? NO!!  Does the $49 Dishnetwork receiver do all
that the 4DTV does and is capable of doing? NO, NO and NO!!!!!!!
So, Mr. Pelopas, I'm glad that you enjoy your $49 dishnetwork receiver,
but for me the only way to get the best in satellite TV is from my
4DTV!!!

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Thank you for your valuable input.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/cols/0802wilson.shtml

Donald LeMore wrote in message <35C46766.2EC1@mediaone.net>...
>QualityBUDinformation wrote:
>>
>> 4DTV has failed.  Even at 50,000 sales it is still a big nothing.
>> However, other e-mails bring the number to close to 10,000 4dTV
>> receivers still operating. Remember how many have been returned?
>> GI will most likely give up on the 4DTV by the end of the year.
>> A product that looses money cannot be suported for ever.
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Steven Sprachman wrote in message
>> <29467-35C3C863-83@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>> What bugs on 4DTV??  Is it too much to admit that it is the greatest way
>> to get real satellite TV not reprocessed hash!!  There's more of every
>> thing via 4DTV-- more FREE ethnic channels, more cable channels, more
>> audio services and it is extremely easy to use.  Does Dish have all the
>> new Spanish DMX music channles?  You had to watch The MTV/VH-1 Suite
>> channels testing to see how good digital TV actually looks.  The showed
>> a video that was so rapid that my eyes couldn"t keep up with it and the
>> picture stayed sharp- no artifacts, no blurriness.  I was in our local
>> Sears last weekend and while my wife shops I go play in Brand Central.
>> The Dish Network display had on the local MSG sports channel with an
>> equestrian event.  Every time the horses moved the picture blurred up.
>> It just couldn't take any fast action.
>> I am NOT an employee of GI.  I work for the State of New York.  I am a
>> satisfied customer and user of the 4DTV.  I highly recommend the
>> receiver to anyone thinking of buying one.  I give GI a great deal of
>> credit for being the only company to invest in the future of C-Band and
>> the support they have shown is great!!  4DTV is the only product out
>> there to give home satellite viewers access to many of the new cable
>> networks that may take years to get on a DBS or our local cable system.
>> DC II will be around a lot longer than analogue, so the expensive door
>> stops will be all those people who have analogue receivers and did not
>> upgrade to a 4DTV.  If 4DTV  does not succeed now ( and I think it will
>> regardless of the constant bashing done by PKK, BH and several others in
>> this NG) than why would anyone expect another manufacturer to come out
>> with a simular dgital receiver for the home C-Band market.
>> Just my opinion based on the ownership of he BEST satellite receiver on
>> the market.
>
>You said 10,000 have been returned--Where and when did you get this
>figure.  The only receivers that were returned were the ones that people
>could not install themselves because of bugs in the software when the
>4-D first came out, those bugs were worked out by GI. Although there are
>some people that are still dissatisfied with their 4-D, input from those
>people has caused GI to make another improvement which will be
>downloaded in September.

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Please stop talking like that.  You first say something and then "sorry no
offence.."



bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0img$p6b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Pelopas, everyone in the world is not as tight as a jews purse like you,
some
>folks actually spend money because they like something, even if it costs
more.
>
>P.S No offense meant to any jewish people.
>
>In article <PQNw1.821$Pl.1182503@newsread.com>,
>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> For the best price get DISH. For the most programming and
>> best price and best picture get BUD ($235  posted) and DISH ($35 posted).
>>
>> WARNING:
>> No one is supporting the 4dtv receiver except for a few dealers here
>> and 2 GI (the company that makes the 4dtv) employees.
>> We have been trying to make them go away, but they are still in our
>> satellite newsgroups. In order for them to hide all the bugs and
>> dissappointment with the 4dtv,   they have formed their own group
>> (approx. 15 of them ), and that's where you can actually find out first
>> hand how bad the receiver is:  http://www.delphi.com/4dtv/.  In these
>> newsgroups though here they talk like everything is OK.
>>
>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6q01l5$1kf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >Neither one is as good a C-Band, and if you want more channels, get a
4DTV,
>> >dont listen to QualityBUDisinfomation, or Robert Hawk.
>> >
>> >
>> >In article <6pqk2j$qp4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>> >  riverrat223@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> >> I am about to get a satelite system and am trying to chose between
>> Directv or
>> >> Primestar.
>> >>
>> >> I would appreciate anyone's views on this question.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.  Please email me at riverrat223@my-dejanews.com.
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >>
>> >> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
==-----
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>> >>
>> >
>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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>>
>
>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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Please learn how to spell. It is hard reading your postings.
Hopefully by the end of the year you will go away since there will
be no more 4DTV and 4DTV dealers like you - how long do you think can they
support it?


bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0i5u$oik$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>When did you take over the 4DTV newsgroup?  You said you were trying to get
>the GI employees to go away, and as for the dealers you said and I quote
"No
>one is supporting the 4dtv receviver except for a few dealers here", well
>know-it-all add two to that "few" because there are 2 4DTV dealers in my
>area, and I'm in a really, really rural area, so get the facts straight you
>dickhead.  BTW, I think we all need to get you and Robert Hawk banned from
>the NG, but unfourtiantely that appears to be impossible.  YOUR SO
STUPID....
>
>
>In article <PQNw1.821$Pl.1182503@newsread.com>,
>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> For the best price get DISH. For the most programming and
>> best price and best picture get BUD ($235  posted) and DISH ($35 posted).
>>
>> WARNING:
>> No one is supporting the 4dtv receiver except for a few dealers here
>> and 2 GI (the company that makes the 4dtv) employees.
>> We have been trying to make them go away, but they are still in our
>> satellite newsgroups. In order for them to hide all the bugs and
>> dissappointment with the 4dtv,   they have formed their own group
>> (approx. 15 of them ), and that's where you can actually find out first
>> hand how bad the receiver is:  http://www.delphi.com/4dtv/.  In these
>> newsgroups though here they talk like everything is OK.
>>
>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6q01l5$1kf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >Neither one is as good a C-Band, and if you want more channels, get a
4DTV,
>> >dont listen to QualityBUDisinfomation, or Robert Hawk.
>> >
>> >
>> >In article <6pqk2j$qp4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>> >  riverrat223@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> >> I am about to get a satelite system and am trying to chose between
>> Directv or
>> >> Primestar.
>> >>
>> >> I would appreciate anyone's views on this question.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.  Please email me at riverrat223@my-dejanews.com.
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >>
>> >> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
==-----
>> >> http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
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>> >>
>> >
>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>
>>
>
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It seems that FX scrambled on G7 tonight.
Does this have anything to do with FX channel 137 on DISH??


bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0hnv$nqu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Duh.... I know it's FX East, do you get FX East and West on DISH?  NO
>
>
>In article <2zNw1.797$Pl.1174321@newsread.com>,
>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> That is correct FX East actually.
>>
>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
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>> >So, FX is ITC on G7 4, it has been since February.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >In article <IaDw1.402$Pl.818965@newsread.com>,
>> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> >> FX update belongs to the BUD satellite newsgroups since
>> >> 99.99% of  digitally capable BUD dishes use a minidish.
>> >>
>> >> Is the number of 4DTVs operating less than 10,000 ????
>> >>
>> >> 4dtv@iname.com <4dtv@iname.com> wrote in message
>> >> <6puqpr$fha$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >> >In article <HMvw1.158$Pl.597453@newsread.com>,
>> >> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> >> >> FX     just added for free on basic package of DISH.  Channel 137.
>> >> >> Appeared in today's download.
>> >> >
>> >> >Doesn't this belong in the echostar newsgroup?
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >E-mail:  4dtv@iname.com
>> >> >4DTV Forum:  www.delphi.com/4dtv
>> >> >
>> >> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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>>
>>
>
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FX East is scrambled as of 5:00 pm today on G7.
It is available on DISH - channel 137 for no extra $'s.
Is this a coincidence?


bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0hnv$nqu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Duh.... I know it's FX East, do you get FX East and West on DISH?  NO
>
>
>In article <2zNw1.797$Pl.1174321@newsread.com>,
>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> That is correct FX East actually.
>>
>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6pvvmj$tap$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >So, FX is ITC on G7 4, it has been since February.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >In article <IaDw1.402$Pl.818965@newsread.com>,
>> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> >> FX update belongs to the BUD satellite newsgroups since
>> >> 99.99% of  digitally capable BUD dishes use a minidish.
>> >>
>> >> Is the number of 4DTVs operating less than 10,000 ????
>> >>
>> >> 4dtv@iname.com <4dtv@iname.com> wrote in message
>> >> <6puqpr$fha$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >> >In article <HMvw1.158$Pl.597453@newsread.com>,
>> >> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>> >> >> FX     just added for free on basic package of DISH.  Channel 137.
>> >> >> Appeared in today's download.
>> >> >
>> >> >Doesn't this belong in the echostar newsgroup?
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >E-mail:  4dtv@iname.com
>> >> >4DTV Forum:  www.delphi.com/4dtv
>> >> >
>> >> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
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>> >> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
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>> >>
>> >
>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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Good for you.  Have tried something better though?
Try DISH and you will never go back to digital 4DTV.
2.5 million BUD owners gave up on 4DTV.
Ray Brennan wrote in message <35c3caf9.0@news-out2.newsnerds.com>...
>i have my 4DTV for almost a year.  Best piece of equipment that I have
>bought in a long time.
>
>
>DRLev wrote in message <6q00ac$8tf$1@news.jump.net>...
>>You are right. 4DTV does need a good FAQ. It still does because this one
>>contains almost no fact (or did you just misspell FUQ).
>>
>>nobody@nsm.htp.org wrote in message
>><19980801130504.19663.qmail@nsm.htp.org>...
>>>4DTV needs a good FAQ. Lets use this one.
>>>
>>>TO HELP SPREAD THE TRUTH ON 4DTV
>>>
>>
>>
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Please learn how to spell.  Unable to read your postings.
Somebody please help.


bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0if2$orv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Hey Pelopas how much does Charlie Ergen pay you to advertise for the DISH
>Network?  Or could you be Charlie disguised as a Greek guy?  I guess we
will
>never know.  Hey must pay you a hell of a lot to say that DISH gives better
>digital pictures than 4DTV, you should read some of the compliants in the
>Echostar newsgroup, and I seen a DISH at the local Sears, and I could tell
>there what a big dick it sucked.
>
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Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
DIGITAL satellite
world.
DISH NETWORK is the real thing.  1.5 million owners and 2.5 BUD owners know.

Rick wrote in message <6q1b3t$k5d$0@dosa.alt.net>...
>You talking 'bout yourself again Bob??
>
>>
>>>Please learn how to spell.  Unable to read your postings.
>>>Somebody please help.
>>>
>>I cant read this crap.. Looks like a faggot doing a slow Trolll.
>>
>> Just my opinion
>>
>>Bob
>>>
>
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Sorry, we do not support dealers.

cornmuse wrote in message <6q1qa4$dpn$1@magellan.fuse.net>...
>
>QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>>Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
>>Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
>>DIGITAL satellite
>>
>
>Hey QBI... you finally got the message. Too bad you don't apply it to
>yourself and start contributing something positive, or at least well though
>out.
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4DTV dealers that is.   We are BUD owners.

QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>Sorry, we do not support dealers.
>
>cornmuse wrote in message <6q1qa4$dpn$1@magellan.fuse.net>...
>>
>>QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>>>Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
>>>Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
>>>DIGITAL satellite
>>>
>>
>>Hey QBI... you finally got the message. Too bad you don't apply it to
>>yourself and start contributing something positive, or at least well
though
>>out.
>>
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BBC World is coming to PBS on Nov 1


Maurice Anderson wrote in message <35C3D878.EF2B41E@bellsouth.net>...
>I'm also looking for BBC America. Having just returned from Bogota, CO
where
>BBC World is broadcast 24hrs on cable CH 23 it only serves as a reminder of
the
>xenophobia of this country's media controllers!
>If anyone has any info on how to view any of these channels in the USA, I'd
be
>happy to hear .
>Thanx,
>Maurice.
>
>Steve Kittelsen wrote:
>
>> I see the IPG has listings for BBC America.  Is it possible to subscribe
to
>> this channel yet?  Or could they leave it in FTA mode for awhile?
>>
>> --
>> Steve Kittelsen
>> skittelsen@earthlink.net
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~skittelsen
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SPAM?
Nope. I am not selling anything. Just responding to people's
postings regarding a new satellite receiver that I purchased and
it is my opinion that is a better receiver.
The receiver is called DISH NETWORK and judging between this one
and 4dtv receiver that I tested, I think it is a hell of a receiver.
I am simply responding to peoples' comcerns.
I am not a satellite dealer, just a  homeowner.
I have never made any insulting remarks.
I do use a valid e-mail  address.



tom hayes wrote in message ...
>"QualityBUDinformation" pelopas@doitnow.com has posted 25 messages in a
>very short period to alt.video.satellite.4dtv. At least 15 of these
>messages can be considered SPAM for promotion of a product called DISH
>Network. Why SPAM? Because in almost every message he promotes a product
>instead of carrying on a discussion. Surely there is an acceptable use
>policy that he has violated :)
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>Please do not lie.  It is not appropriate.
>I never sent you such e-mail.  I did however posted
>that information received from a 4DTV dealer.
>
>DavidB9608 wrote in message
><1998080201473400.VAA25427@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>Someone sent me an email saying there are 50,000 4dtv recievers.
>>I think his name was peloponeseus.
>>David
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>4DTV has failed.  Even at 50,000 sales it is still a big nothing.
>However, other e-mails bring the number to close to 10,000 4dTV
>receivers still operating. Remember how many have been returned?
>GI will most likely give up on the 4DTV by the end of the year.
>A product that looses money cannot be suported for ever.
>Just my opinion.
>
>
>Steven Sprachman wrote in message
><29467-35C3C863-83@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>What bugs on 4DTV??  Is it too much to admit that it is the greatest way
>to get real satellite TV not reprocessed hash!!  There's more of every
>thing via 4DTV-- more FREE ethnic channels, more cable channels, more
>audio services and it is extremely easy to use.  Does Dish have all the
>new Spanish DMX music channles?  You had to watch The MTV/VH-1 Suite
>channels testing to see how good digital TV actually looks.  The showed
>a video that was so rapid that my eyes couldn"t keep up with it and the
>picture stayed sharp- no artifacts, no blurriness.  I was in our local
>Sears last weekend and while my wife shops I go play in Brand Central.
>The Dish Network display had on the local MSG sports channel with an
>equestrian event.  Every time the horses moved the picture blurred up.
>It just couldn't take any fast action.
>I am NOT an employee of GI.  I work for the State of New York.  I am a
>satisfied customer and user of the 4DTV.  I highly recommend the
>receiver to anyone thinking of buying one.  I give GI a great deal of
>credit for being the only company to invest in the future of C-Band and
>the support they have shown is great!!  4DTV is the only product out
>there to give home satellite viewers access to many of the new cable
>networks that may take years to get on a DBS or our local cable system.
>DC II will be around a lot longer than analogue, so the expensive door
>stops will be all those people who have analogue receivers and did not
>upgrade to a 4DTV.  If 4DTV  does not succeed now ( and I think it will
>regardless of the constant bashing done by PKK, BH and several others in
>this NG) than why would anyone expect another manufacturer to come out
>with a simular dgital receiver for the home C-Band market.
>Just my opinion based on the ownership of he BEST satellite receiver on
>the market.
>
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>Thank you so much for your excellent letter.  Keep on enjoying
>the 4DTV.  I wish you knew about DISH before you invested so much money
>on the 4DTV.
>
>Picture quality on both 4DTV and DISH do not compare with analog.
>Programming,  it is your choice.
>Feeds: forget it  (digital).
>Price:  DISH  $49  4DTV $800 or more (posted).
>Quality: DISH OK   4DTV- a lot have been returned as posted by several
>people
>(is it true?).
>Receivers sold:  DISH 1.5 million or so,  4DTV - 20.000 ?
>Future:  DISH - excellent,  4DTV- ?
>
>
>
>Steven Sprachman wrote in message
><4155-35C463A9-19@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Mr. Pelopas (Mr. BUDisinformation), I never see you post on the
>Echostar/Dishnetwork NG how great Dish is.  All I see are postings as to
>how lousy the picture is.  They added Fx (which on C-band is only
>encrypted during Baseball) to the Dishnetwork so now people are
>complaining about the picture quality of some other channels.  If I used
>the Echostar NG as a guide to my possibly purchasing a $49 dish (or
>whatever the actual real price is), I would never buy one.  There are
>owners of the Echostar Dishnetwork complaining on the Echostar NG.  On
>this NG, most of the complainers are non-owners like yourself.  Maybe
>it's time you take a new test drive of the 4DTV.  Maybe you should start
>reading the Echostar NG on a daily basis!!!!
>No one who owns a 4DTV will tell you it's the perfect satellite
>receiver.  Who wouldn't like a receiver that picks up all different
>digital systems and decodes the encryption.  But there isn't such a
>receiver now and I doubt there ever will be.  I don't see a home version
>of the Powervu or Wegner receiver being talked about.  I don't see
>Scientific Atlanta or Wegner or CLI licensing their technology to anyone
>else. Sure I could get a DVB receiver like a Pansat or Huyndai that wll
>pick up all the "great" digital feeds (maybe), but does it decode the
>encrypted channels? NO.  Does it get any of the American digital cable
>channels? A few.  Does it get all the digital HBO, Cinemax, Showtime,
>TMC and Flix Channels? NO!!  Does the $49 Dishnetwork receiver do all
>that the 4DTV does and is capable of doing? NO, NO and NO!!!!!!!
>So, Mr. Pelopas, I'm glad that you enjoy your $49 dishnetwork receiver,
>but for me the only way to get the best in satellite TV is from my
>4DTV!!!
>
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>Thank you for your valuable input.
>
>http://www.azcentral.com/news/cols/0802wilson.shtml
>
>Donald LeMore wrote in message <35C46766.2EC1@mediaone.net>...
>>QualityBUDinformation wrote:
>>>
>>> 4DTV has failed.  Even at 50,000 sales it is still a big nothing.
>>> However, other e-mails bring the number to close to 10,000 4dTV
>>> receivers still operating. Remember how many have been returned?
>>> GI will most likely give up on the 4DTV by the end of the year.
>>> A product that looses money cannot be suported for ever.
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Steven Sprachman wrote in message
>>> <29467-35C3C863-83@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>>> What bugs on 4DTV??  Is it too much to admit that it is the greatest way
>>> to get real satellite TV not reprocessed hash!!  There's more of every
>>> thing via 4DTV-- more FREE ethnic channels, more cable channels, more
>>> audio services and it is extremely easy to use.  Does Dish have all the
>>> new Spanish DMX music channles?  You had to watch The MTV/VH-1 Suite
>>> channels testing to see how good digital TV actually looks.  The showed
>>> a video that was so rapid that my eyes couldn"t keep up with it and the
>>> picture stayed sharp- no artifacts, no blurriness.  I was in our local
>>> Sears last weekend and while my wife shops I go play in Brand Central.
>>> The Dish Network display had on the local MSG sports channel with an
>>> equestrian event.  Every time the horses moved the picture blurred up.
>>> It just couldn't take any fast action.
>>> I am NOT an employee of GI.  I work for the State of New York.  I am a
>>> satisfied customer and user of the 4DTV.  I highly recommend the
>>> receiver to anyone thinking of buying one.  I give GI a great deal of
>>> credit for being the only company to invest in the future of C-Band and
>>> the support they have shown is great!!  4DTV is the only product out
>>> there to give home satellite viewers access to many of the new cable
>>> networks that may take years to get on a DBS or our local cable system.
>>> DC II will be around a lot longer than analogue, so the expensive door
>>> stops will be all those people who have analogue receivers and did not
>>> upgrade to a 4DTV.  If 4DTV  does not succeed now ( and I think it will
>>> regardless of the constant bashing done by PKK, BH and several others in
>>> this NG) than why would anyone expect another manufacturer to come out
>>> with a simular dgital receiver for the home C-Band market.
>>> Just my opinion based on the ownership of he BEST satellite receiver on
>>> the market.
>>
>>You said 10,000 have been returned--Where and when did you get this
>>figure.  The only receivers that were returned were the ones that people
>>could not install themselves because of bugs in the software when the
>>4-D first came out, those bugs were worked out by GI. Although there are
>>some people that are still dissatisfied with their 4-D, input from those
>>people has caused GI to make another improvement which will be
>>downloaded in September.
>
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>Please stop talking like that.  You first say something and then "sorry no
>offence.."
>
>
>
>bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0img$p6b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>Pelopas, everyone in the world is not as tight as a jews purse like you,
>some
>>folks actually spend money because they like something, even if it costs
>more.
>>
>>P.S No offense meant to any jewish people.
>>
>>In article <PQNw1.821$Pl.1182503@newsread.com>,
>>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> For the best price get DISH. For the most programming and
>>> best price and best picture get BUD ($235  posted) and DISH ($35
posted).
>>>
>>> WARNING:
>>> No one is supporting the 4dtv receiver except for a few dealers here
>>> and 2 GI (the company that makes the 4dtv) employees.
>>> We have been trying to make them go away, but they are still in our
>>> satellite newsgroups. In order for them to hide all the bugs and
>>> dissappointment with the 4dtv,   they have formed their own group
>>> (approx. 15 of them ), and that's where you can actually find out first
>>> hand how bad the receiver is:  http://www.delphi.com/4dtv/.  In these
>>> newsgroups though here they talk like everything is OK.
>>>
>>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><6q01l5$1kf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >Neither one is as good a C-Band, and if you want more channels, get a
>4DTV,
>>> >dont listen to QualityBUDisinfomation, or Robert Hawk.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >In article <6pqk2j$qp4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>>> >  riverrat223@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>> >> I am about to get a satelite system and am trying to chose between
>>> Directv or
>>> >> Primestar.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would appreciate anyone's views on this question.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks.  Please email me at riverrat223@my-dejanews.com.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lou
>>> >>
>>> >> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>>> >> http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
>Forum
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>
>>http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
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>From: "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com>
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>Please learn how to spell. It is hard reading your postings.
>Hopefully by the end of the year you will go away since there will
>be no more 4DTV and 4DTV dealers like you - how long do you think can they
>support it?
>
>
>bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0i5u$oik$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>When did you take over the 4DTV newsgroup?  You said you were trying to
get
>>the GI employees to go away, and as for the dealers you said and I quote
>"No
>>one is supporting the 4dtv receviver except for a few dealers here", well
>>know-it-all add two to that "few" because there are 2 4DTV dealers in my
>>area, and I'm in a really, really rural area, so get the facts straight
you
>>dickhead.  BTW, I think we all need to get you and Robert Hawk banned from
>>the NG, but unfourtiantely that appears to be impossible.  YOUR SO
>STUPID....
>>
>>
>>In article <PQNw1.821$Pl.1182503@newsread.com>,
>>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> For the best price get DISH. For the most programming and
>>> best price and best picture get BUD ($235  posted) and DISH ($35
posted).
>>>
>>> WARNING:
>>> No one is supporting the 4dtv receiver except for a few dealers here
>>> and 2 GI (the company that makes the 4dtv) employees.
>>> We have been trying to make them go away, but they are still in our
>>> satellite newsgroups. In order for them to hide all the bugs and
>>> dissappointment with the 4dtv,   they have formed their own group
>>> (approx. 15 of them ), and that's where you can actually find out first
>>> hand how bad the receiver is:  http://www.delphi.com/4dtv/.  In these
>>> newsgroups though here they talk like everything is OK.
>>>
>>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><6q01l5$1kf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >Neither one is as good a C-Band, and if you want more channels, get a
>4DTV,
>>> >dont listen to QualityBUDisinfomation, or Robert Hawk.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >In article <6pqk2j$qp4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>>> >  riverrat223@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>> >> I am about to get a satelite system and am trying to chose between
>>> Directv or
>>> >> Primestar.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would appreciate anyone's views on this question.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks.  Please email me at riverrat223@my-dejanews.com.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lou
>>> >>
>>> >> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>>> >> http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
>Forum
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>
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>From: "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com>
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>It seems that FX scrambled on G7 tonight.
>Does this have anything to do with FX channel 137 on DISH??
>
>
>bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0hnv$nqu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>Duh.... I know it's FX East, do you get FX East and West on DISH?  NO
>>
>>
>>In article <2zNw1.797$Pl.1174321@newsread.com>,
>>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> That is correct FX East actually.
>>>
>>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><6pvvmj$tap$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >So, FX is ITC on G7 4, it has been since February.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >In article <IaDw1.402$Pl.818965@newsread.com>,
>>> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> >> FX update belongs to the BUD satellite newsgroups since
>>> >> 99.99% of  digitally capable BUD dishes use a minidish.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is the number of 4DTVs operating less than 10,000 ????
>>> >>
>>> >> 4dtv@iname.com <4dtv@iname.com> wrote in message
>>> >> <6puqpr$fha$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >> >In article <HMvw1.158$Pl.597453@newsread.com>,
>>> >> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> FX     just added for free on basic package of DISH.  Channel 137.
>>> >> >> Appeared in today's download.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Doesn't this belong in the echostar newsgroup?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >--
>>> >> >E-mail:  4dtv@iname.com
>>> >> >4DTV Forum:  www.delphi.com/4dtv
>>> >> >
>>> >> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>>> >> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
>Forum
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
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>FX East is scrambled as of 5:00 pm today on G7.
>It is available on DISH - channel 137 for no extra $'s.
>Is this a coincidence?
>
>
>bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0hnv$nqu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>Duh.... I know it's FX East, do you get FX East and West on DISH?  NO
>>
>>
>>In article <2zNw1.797$Pl.1174321@newsread.com>,
>>  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> That is correct FX East actually.
>>>
>>> bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><6pvvmj$tap$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >So, FX is ITC on G7 4, it has been since February.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >In article <IaDw1.402$Pl.818965@newsread.com>,
>>> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> >> FX update belongs to the BUD satellite newsgroups since
>>> >> 99.99% of  digitally capable BUD dishes use a minidish.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is the number of 4DTVs operating less than 10,000 ????
>>> >>
>>> >> 4dtv@iname.com <4dtv@iname.com> wrote in message
>>> >> <6puqpr$fha$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >> >In article <HMvw1.158$Pl.597453@newsread.com>,
>>> >> >  "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> FX     just added for free on basic package of DISH.  Channel 137.
>>> >> >> Appeared in today's download.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Doesn't this belong in the echostar newsgroup?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >--
>>> >> >E-mail:  4dtv@iname.com
>>> >> >4DTV Forum:  www.delphi.com/4dtv
>>> >> >
>>> >> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==-----
>>> >> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member
>Forum
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>>> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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>From: "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com>
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>Good for you.  Have tried something better though?
>Try DISH and you will never go back to digital 4DTV.
>2.5 million BUD owners gave up on 4DTV.
>Ray Brennan wrote in message <35c3caf9.0@news-out2.newsnerds.com>...
>>i have my 4DTV for almost a year.  Best piece of equipment that I have
>>bought in a long time.
>>
>>
>>DRLev wrote in message <6q00ac$8tf$1@news.jump.net>...
>>>You are right. 4DTV does need a good FAQ. It still does because this one
>>>contains almost no fact (or did you just misspell FUQ).
>>>
>>>nobody@nsm.htp.org wrote in message
>>><19980801130504.19663.qmail@nsm.htp.org>...
>>>>4DTV needs a good FAQ. Lets use this one.
>>>>
>>>>TO HELP SPREAD THE TRUTH ON 4DTV
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>Please learn how to spell.  Unable to read your postings.
>Somebody please help.
>
>
>bb99@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6q0if2$orv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>Hey Pelopas how much does Charlie Ergen pay you to advertise for the DISH
>>Network?  Or could you be Charlie disguised as a Greek guy?  I guess we
>will
>>never know.  Hey must pay you a hell of a lot to say that DISH gives
better
>>digital pictures than 4DTV, you should read some of the compliants in the
>>Echostar newsgroup, and I seen a DISH at the local Sears, and I could tell
>>there what a big dick it sucked.
>>
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>Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
>Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
>DIGITAL satellite
>world.
>DISH NETWORK is the real thing.  1.5 million owners and 2.5 BUD owners
know.
>
>Rick wrote in message <6q1b3t$k5d$0@dosa.alt.net>...
>>You talking 'bout yourself again Bob??
>>
>>>
>>>>Please learn how to spell.  Unable to read your postings.
>>>>Somebody please help.
>>>>
>>>I cant read this crap.. Looks like a faggot doing a slow Trolll.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Sorry, we do not support dealers.
>
>cornmuse wrote in message <6q1qa4$dpn$1@magellan.fuse.net>...
>>
>>QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>>>Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
>>>Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
>>>DIGITAL satellite
>>>
>>
>>Hey QBI... you finally got the message. Too bad you don't apply it to
>>yourself and start contributing something positive, or at least well
though
>>out.
>>
>>
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>
>4DTV dealers that is.   We are BUD owners.
>
>QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>>Sorry, we do not support dealers.
>>
>>cornmuse wrote in message <6q1qa4$dpn$1@magellan.fuse.net>...
>>>
>>>QualityBUDinformation wrote in message ...
>>>>Why are you here Rick?   Please leave our satellite newsgroups.
>>>>Unless you have something positive to contribute to the revolutionalry
>>>>DIGITAL satellite
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey QBI... you finally got the message. Too bad you don't apply it to
>>>yourself and start contributing something positive, or at least well
>though
>>>out.
>>>
>>>
>Path:
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>From: "QualityBUDinformation" <pelopas@doitnow.com>
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>BBC World is coming to PBS on Nov 1
>
>
>Maurice Anderson wrote in message <35C3D878.EF2B41E@bellsouth.net>...
>>I'm also looking for BBC America. Having just returned from Bogota, CO
>where
>>BBC World is broadcast 24hrs on cable CH 23 it only serves as a reminder
of
>the
>>xenophobia of this country's media controllers!
>>If anyone has any info on how to view any of these channels in the USA,
I'd
>be
>>happy to hear .
>>Thanx,
>>Maurice.
>>
>>Steve Kittelsen wrote:
>>
>>> I see the IPG has listings for BBC America.  Is it possible to subscribe
>to
>>> this channel yet?  Or could they leave it in FTA mode for awhile?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve Kittelsen
>>> skittelsen@earthlink.net
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~skittelsen
>>
>------------------





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From: handle@adnc.com (tom hayes)
Subject: Re: New record: Moron Post 25 times in  a day
Date: 1998/08/02
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> SPAM?
> Nope. I am not selling anything. Just responding to people's
> postings regarding a new satellite receiver that I purchased and
> it is my opinion that is a better receiver.
> The receiver is called DISH NETWORK and judging between this one
> and 4dtv receiver that I tested, I think it is a hell of a receiver.
> I am simply responding to peoples' comcerns.
> I am not a satellite dealer, just a  homeowner.
> I have never made any insulting remarks.
> I do use a valid e-mail  address.

Actually, I called looked up doitnow.com and found a number for the
Arizona office. I talked to an account rep there and asked them about
their Accpetable Use Policy. I was informed that 10 messages a day to a
newsgroup was the limit in there AUP. As is my ISps.

Also, the account name pelopas@doitnow.com was NOT in their system.

Of course, they take no position on you, on your postings/etc. I just
reported what *I* feel is abuse by a customer of theirs.

Judging by what most ISPs do , I would expect that if you are a)faking you
email address or b)Spamming, they are now aware of it.

I would urge ANYONE who feels that they have been spammed by Pelopoas to
write to abuse@doitnow.com.

Or contact DOITNOW.com
IN AZ: (602) 517-2066...  OUTSIDE ARIZONA: (888) 2345-NET



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From: handle@adnc.com (tom hayes)
Subject: Re: New record: Moron Post 25 times in  a day
Date: 1998/08/02
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Actaully a DEJANEWS search found 473 message to this newsgroup since
97/10/11 from pelopas@doitnow.com. And this in the wake of the several
vacations you have taken. 473? That IS exessive.

276 of those mentioned the Dish network.

This may qualifiy as SPAM.



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Subject: REPOST: Re: New record: Moron Post 25 times in  a day
Date: 1998/08/02
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> SPAM?
> Nope. I am not selling anything. Just responding to people's
> postings regarding a new satellite receiver that I purchased and
> it is my opinion that is a better receiver.
> The receiver is called DISH NETWORK and judging between this one
> and 4dtv receiver that I tested, I think it is a hell of a receiver.
> I am simply responding to peoples' comcerns.
> I am not a satellite dealer, just a  homeowner.
> I have never made any insulting remarks.
> I do use a valid e-mail  address.

Actually, I called looked up doitnow.com and found a number for the
Arizona office. I talked to an account rep there and asked them about
their Accpetable Use Policy. I was informed that 10 messages a day to a
newsgroup was the limit in there AUP. As is my ISps.

Also, the account name pelopas@doitnow.com was NOT in their system.

Of course, they take no position on you, on your postings/etc. I just
reported what *I* feel is abuse by a customer of theirs.

Judging by what most ISPs do , I would expect that if you are a)faking you
email address or b)Spamming, they are now aware of it.

I would urge ANYONE who feels that they have been spammed by Pelopoas to
write to abuse@doitnow.com.

Or contact DOITNOW.com
IN AZ: (602) 517-2066...  OUTSIDE ARIZONA: (888) 2345-NET
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From: handle@adnc.com (tom hayes)
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Subject: Re: New record: Moron Post 25 times in  a day
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Actaully a DEJANEWS search found 473 message to this newsgroup since
97/10/11 from pelopas@doitnow.com. And this in the wake of the several
vacations you have taken. 473? That IS exessive.

276 of those mentioned the Dish network.

This may qualifiy as SPAM.
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From: anon21232@usa.net (Diane Arons)
Subject: Re: Cyber-terrorist Celeste
Date: 1998/08/03
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On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:53:37 -0700, aldeberan@alt.net (Star
Traveler) wrote:

>Just
>recently we started seeing the cyber-terrorist Celeste, who has gone
>underground with her "cancel-war" and is now engaging a cancel-bot from
>hackers to nuke and destroy this newsgroup. She is engagin in all these
>things at one time.

Star Traveler - why did you crosspost this to the men's rights
newsgroup  and to soc.men??  I'm just curious

I'm not sure that Celeste is the one doing the supersedes.
Actually about as many of them are showing a (presumably forged)
path to you - check it out.  I'm assuming that the they are
forged and not from you.

So can you really prove it's the Cancel Queen doing any of the
cancels?  If so then please provide the proof (headers and all)
and steps can be taken to stop that.  *I* certainly would want to
know.

If you're just guessing then I would suggest that you would be
just playing into the hands of the kooks who like to stir up
things cause they think it's kewl.  Look if you have anything
solid then please let us know - otherwise consider what I've said
please.  OK?  :)



----------------
Diane Arons



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From: dmc@hollis.queens.ny.mil (The King of Rock)
Subject: �           F E A R   O F   A   M E O W   P L A N E T
Date: 1998/08/15
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Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
Just a small fraction comes from our faction
It still sends the netcops into action
Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
There's CFVs for UDPs
and complaints sent to ISPs
Death threats issued in nana-u
Damn! What's a meower to do?
Don't get me wrong - I ain't askin for sympathy
Cuz none of this shit will ever really get to me
All I wanted was just to have a little fun
I never thought I'd wind up on the run
A fugitive - lookin and hopin
To find myself a newsfeed that's open
And if I manage to post - you might not read it
Goddam! It's been superceded
UPA - Some people can't stand it
Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet

Another day another mailbomb threat
But it hasn't stopped me yet
All this anti-meow hostility
I gotta shoot for a little anonymity
Cuz the things I say make the fuckheads nervous
They attack with a denial of service
A ping attack on Port 139
That type of shit is way out of line
But every day it's advocated and condoned
By those who wish to see the King dethroned
Petitions are sent to the people in power
Calling for the death of each and every meower
But what these fools fail to realize
We're an army of soldiers well-organized
We're ninja fighters like Hydras, ya hear?
Kill one meower and two more appear
We're outnumbered ten thousand to one
But after it's all been said and done
You better recognize that a small minority
Has forever altered usenet history
And to those who wish to see us defeated
All you'll get is history repeated
But some idiots just don't wanna learn
They keep playin with fire and keep gettin burned
UPA - The fuckheads wanna ban it
Chalk it up to fear of meow planet

Sometimes the King lies awake at nights
Thinkin 'bout the future of the Bill of Rights
If Jefferson was around today
Would he be down with meow and UPA?
Somehow I don't believe he'd offer solace
To some censorious fuckhead like Guy Polis
I'm not tryin to wrap myself in the flag
I just don't wanna see freedom in a bodybag
You can call me obnoxious and obscene
They said the same about Hustler magazine
You don't have to like it or even respect it
But goddammit you better protect it
Cuz to let some stupid news admin decide
What we can read is a sure-fire suicide
Let me put this message in proper context:
If they can silence me, they might silence you next
Think about that while you still got time
Cuz one day your thoughts might be a crime
If you don't like what I've got to say
Turn off your 'puter and watch TV all day
Where others decide what you can and can't see
And create a false sense of security
You'll see shit like plane wrecks in the Everglades
But at least you won't be bothered by those evil meow cascades
UPA - some people don't understand it
Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet






YOU GOTTA FIGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT
TO
>>>>>>>C
>>>>>>A
>>>>>S
>>>>C
>>>A
>>D
>E

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Subject: Re: �           F E A R   O F   A   M E O W   P L A N E T
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The King of Rock wrote:
> 
> Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
> How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
> Just a small fraction comes from our faction
> It still sends the netcops into action
> Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
> Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
> There's CFVs for UDPs
> and complaints sent to ISPs
> Death threats issued in nana-u
> Damn! What's a meower to do?
> Don't get me wrong - I ain't askin for sympathy
> Cuz none of this shit will ever really get to me
> All I wanted was just to have a little fun
> I never thought I'd wind up on the run
> A fugitive - lookin and hopin
> To find myself a newsfeed that's open
> And if I manage to post - you might not read it
> Goddam! It's been superceded
> UPA - Some people can't stand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> Another day another mailbomb threat
> But it hasn't stopped me yet
> All this anti-meow hostility
> I gotta shoot for a little anonymity
> Cuz the things I say make the fuckheads nervous
> They attack with a denial of service
> A ping attack on Port 139
> That type of shit is way out of line
> But every day it's advocated and condoned
> By those who wish to see the King dethroned
> Petitions are sent to the people in power
> Calling for the death of each and every meower
> But what these fools fail to realize
> We're an army of soldiers well-organized
> We're ninja fighters like Hydras, ya hear?
> Kill one meower and two more appear
> We're outnumbered ten thousand to one
> But after it's all been said and done
> You better recognize that a small minority
> Has forever altered usenet history
> And to those who wish to see us defeated
> All you'll get is history repeated
> But some idiots just don't wanna learn
> They keep playin with fire and keep gettin burned
> UPA - The fuckheads wanna ban it
> Chalk it up to fear of meow planet
> 
> Sometimes the King lies awake at nights
> Thinkin 'bout the future of the Bill of Rights
> If Jefferson was around today
> Would he be down with meow and UPA?
> Somehow I don't believe he'd offer solace
> To some censorious fuckhead like Guy Polis
> I'm not tryin to wrap myself in the flag
> I just don't wanna see freedom in a bodybag
> You can call me obnoxious and obscene
> They said the same about Hustler magazine
> You don't have to like it or even respect it
> But goddammit you better protect it
> Cuz to let some stupid news admin decide
> What we can read is a sure-fire suicide
> Let me put this message in proper context:
> If they can silence me, they might silence you next
> Think about that while you still got time
> Cuz one day your thoughts might be a crime
> If you don't like what I've got to say
> Turn off your 'puter and watch TV all day
> Where others decide what you can and can't see
> And create a false sense of security
> You'll see shit like plane wrecks in the Everglades
> But at least you won't be bothered by those evil meow cascades
> UPA - some people don't understand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> YOU GOTTA FIGHT
> FOR YOUR RIGHT
> TO
> >>>>>>>C
> >>>>>>A
> >>>>>S
> >>>>C
> >>>A
> >>D
> >E

MEOW!



> --
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Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
line.  whew....and it all sucked.

-Deviant





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Deviant wrote:
> 
> Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
> line.  whew....and it all sucked.
> 

But was it conceded?



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Deviant wrote:

> Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
> line.  whew....and it all sucked.

So you stopped reading it in the second line, but it all sucked?
Sir, you are indeed truly remarkable.

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Kiji ga <35D6A346.F32CEE2A@iee.org>
Jonathan Horniblow <jhorniblow@iee.org> ga hakumashita:
� Deviant wrote:
� 
� > Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
� > line.  whew....and it all sucked.
� 
� So you stopped reading it in the second line, but it all sucked?
� Sir, you are indeed truly remarkable.

Please send me your resume!



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Purr!

The King of Rock wrote:
> 
> Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
> How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
> Just a small fraction comes from our faction
> It still sends the netcops into action
> Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
> Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
> There's CFVs for UDPs
> and complaints sent to ISPs
> Death threats issued in nana-u
> Damn! What's a meower to do?
> Don't get me wrong - I ain't askin for sympathy
> Cuz none of this shit will ever really get to me
> All I wanted was just to have a little fun
> I never thought I'd wind up on the run
> A fugitive - lookin and hopin
> To find myself a newsfeed that's open
> And if I manage to post - you might not read it
> Goddam! It's been superceded
> UPA - Some people can't stand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> Another day another mailbomb threat
> But it hasn't stopped me yet
> All this anti-meow hostility
> I gotta shoot for a little anonymity
> Cuz the things I say make the fuckheads nervous
> They attack with a denial of service
> A ping attack on Port 139
> That type of shit is way out of line
> But every day it's advocated and condoned
> By those who wish to see the King dethroned
> Petitions are sent to the people in power
> Calling for the death of each and every meower
> But what these fools fail to realize
> We're an army of soldiers well-organized
> We're ninja fighters like Hydras, ya hear?
> Kill one meower and two more appear
> We're outnumbered ten thousand to one
> But after it's all been said and done
> You better recognize that a small minority
> Has forever altered usenet history
> And to those who wish to see us defeated
> All you'll get is history repeated
> But some idiots just don't wanna learn
> They keep playin with fire and keep gettin burned
> UPA - The fuckheads wanna ban it
> Chalk it up to fear of meow planet
> 
> Sometimes the King lies awake at nights
> Thinkin 'bout the future of the Bill of Rights
> If Jefferson was around today
> Would he be down with meow and UPA?
> Somehow I don't believe he'd offer solace
> To some censorious fuckhead like Guy Polis
> I'm not tryin to wrap myself in the flag
> I just don't wanna see freedom in a bodybag
> You can call me obnoxious and obscene
> They said the same about Hustler magazine
> You don't have to like it or even respect it
> But goddammit you better protect it
> Cuz to let some stupid news admin decide
> What we can read is a sure-fire suicide
> Let me put this message in proper context:
> If they can silence me, they might silence you next
> Think about that while you still got time
> Cuz one day your thoughts might be a crime
> If you don't like what I've got to say
> Turn off your 'puter and watch TV all day
> Where others decide what you can and can't see
> And create a false sense of security
> You'll see shit like plane wrecks in the Everglades
> But at least you won't be bothered by those evil meow cascades
> UPA - some people don't understand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> YOU GOTTA FIGHT
> FOR YOUR RIGHT
> TO
> >>>>>>>C
> >>>>>>A
> >>>>>S
> >>>>C
> >>>A
> >>D
> >E
> 
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Deviant wrote:

> Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
> line.  whew....and it all sucked.

So you stopped reading it in the second line, but it all sucked?
Sir, you are indeed truly remarkable.

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Purr!

The King of Rock wrote:
> 
> Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
> How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
> Just a small fraction comes from our faction
> It still sends the netcops into action
> Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
> Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
> There's CFVs for UDPs
> and complaints sent to ISPs
> Death threats issued in nana-u
> Damn! What's a meower to do?
> Don't get me wrong - I ain't askin for sympathy
> Cuz none of this shit will ever really get to me
> All I wanted was just to have a little fun
> I never thought I'd wind up on the run
> A fugitive - lookin and hopin
> To find myself a newsfeed that's open
> And if I manage to post - you might not read it
> Goddam! It's been superceded
> UPA - Some people can't stand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> Another day another mailbomb threat
> But it hasn't stopped me yet
> All this anti-meow hostility
> I gotta shoot for a little anonymity
> Cuz the things I say make the fuckheads nervous
> They attack with a denial of service
> A ping attack on Port 139
> That type of shit is way out of line
> But every day it's advocated and condoned
> By those who wish to see the King dethroned
> Petitions are sent to the people in power
> Calling for the death of each and every meower
> But what these fools fail to realize
> We're an army of soldiers well-organized
> We're ninja fighters like Hydras, ya hear?
> Kill one meower and two more appear
> We're outnumbered ten thousand to one
> But after it's all been said and done
> You better recognize that a small minority
> Has forever altered usenet history
> And to those who wish to see us defeated
> All you'll get is history repeated
> But some idiots just don't wanna learn
> They keep playin with fire and keep gettin burned
> UPA - The fuckheads wanna ban it
> Chalk it up to fear of meow planet
> 
> Sometimes the King lies awake at nights
> Thinkin 'bout the future of the Bill of Rights
> If Jefferson was around today
> Would he be down with meow and UPA?
> Somehow I don't believe he'd offer solace
> To some censorious fuckhead like Guy Polis
> I'm not tryin to wrap myself in the flag
> I just don't wanna see freedom in a bodybag
> You can call me obnoxious and obscene
> They said the same about Hustler magazine
> You don't have to like it or even respect it
> But goddammit you better protect it
> Cuz to let some stupid news admin decide
> What we can read is a sure-fire suicide
> Let me put this message in proper context:
> If they can silence me, they might silence you next
> Think about that while you still got time
> Cuz one day your thoughts might be a crime
> If you don't like what I've got to say
> Turn off your 'puter and watch TV all day
> Where others decide what you can and can't see
> And create a false sense of security
> You'll see shit like plane wrecks in the Everglades
> But at least you won't be bothered by those evil meow cascades
> UPA - some people don't understand it
> Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> 
> YOU GOTTA FIGHT
> FOR YOUR RIGHT
> TO
> >>>>>>>C
> >>>>>>A
> >>>>>S
> >>>>C
> >>>A
> >>D
> >E
> 
> --
>                     _______ _            _  ___
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Jonathan Horniblow wrote:
> 
> Deviant wrote:
> 
> > Wow, talk about some boring shit, i stopped reading that crap in the second
> > line.  whew....and it all sucked.
> 
> So you stopped reading it in the second line, but it all sucked?
> Sir, you are indeed truly remarkable.

Clealy, sir, is a modern day marvel!


> --
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From: "William R. Osiris" <billyray@nehebkaf.aeol.eg>
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Urbane Cowgirl wrote:
> 
> Purr!

Purr!

 
> The King of Rock wrote:
> >
> > Fifteen gigabytes of data hit usenet every day
> > How much of that is Meow crew UPA?
> > Just a small fraction comes from our faction
> > It still sends the netcops into action
> > Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
> > Get us labeled as criminalS & reprobates
> > There's CFVs for UDPs
> > and complaints sent to ISPs
> > Death threats issued in nana-u
> > Damn! What's a meower to do?
> > Don't get me wrong - I ain't askin for sympathy
> > Cuz none of this shit will ever really get to me
> > All I wanted was just to have a little fun
> > I never thought I'd wind up on the run
> > A fugitive - lookin and hopin
> > To find myself a newsfeed that's open
> > And if I manage to post - you might not read it
> > Goddam! It's been superceded
> > UPA - Some people can't stand it
> > Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> >
> > Another day another mailbomb threat
> > But it hasn't stopped me yet
> > All this anti-meow hostility
> > I gotta shoot for a little anonymity
> > Cuz the things I say make the fuckheads nervous
> > They attack with a denial of service
> > A ping attack on Port 139
> > That type of shit is way out of line
> > But every day it's advocated and condoned
> > By those who wish to see the King dethroned
> > Petitions are sent to the people in power
> > Calling for the death of each and every meower
> > But what these fools fail to realize
> > We're an army of soldiers well-organized
> > We're ninja fighters like Hydras, ya hear?
> > Kill one meower and two more appear
> > We're outnumbered ten thousand to one
> > But after it's all been said and done
> > You better recognize that a small minority
> > Has forever altered usenet history
> > And to those who wish to see us defeated
> > All you'll get is history repeated
> > But some idiots just don't wanna learn
> > They keep playin with fire and keep gettin burned
> > UPA - The fuckheads wanna ban it
> > Chalk it up to fear of meow planet
> >
> > Sometimes the King lies awake at nights
> > Thinkin 'bout the future of the Bill of Rights
> > If Jefferson was around today
> > Would he be down with meow and UPA?
> > Somehow I don't believe he'd offer solace
> > To some censorious fuckhead like Guy Polis
> > I'm not tryin to wrap myself in the flag
> > I just don't wanna see freedom in a bodybag
> > You can call me obnoxious and obscene
> > They said the same about Hustler magazine
> > You don't have to like it or even respect it
> > But goddammit you better protect it
> > Cuz to let some stupid news admin decide
> > What we can read is a sure-fire suicide
> > Let me put this message in proper context:
> > If they can silence me, they might silence you next
> > Think about that while you still got time
> > Cuz one day your thoughts might be a crime
> > If you don't like what I've got to say
> > Turn off your 'puter and watch TV all day
> > Where others decide what you can and can't see
> > And create a false sense of security
> > You'll see shit like plane wrecks in the Everglades
> > But at least you won't be bothered by those evil meow cascades
> > UPA - some people don't understand it
> > Chalk it up to fear of a meow planet
> >
> > YOU GOTTA FIGHT
> > FOR YOUR RIGHT
> > TO
> > >>>>>>>C
> > >>>>>>A
> > >>>>>S
> > >>>>C
> > >>>A
> > >>D
> > >E
> >
> > --
> >                     _______ _            _  ___
> >                    |__   __| |          | |/ (_)
> >                       | |  | |__   ___  | ' / _ _ __   __ _
> >                       | |  | '_ \ / _ \ |  < | | '_ \ / _` |
> >                       | |  | | | |  __/ | . \| | | | | (_| |
> >                       |_|  |_| |_|\___| |_|\_\_|_| |_|\__, |
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> >                                                       |___/
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> >                              / _| |  __ \          | |
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> >                        / _ \|  _| |  _  // _ \ / __| |/ /
> >                       | (_) | |   | | \ \ (_) | (__|   <
> >                        \___/|_|   |_|  \_\___/ \___|_|\_\
> >
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> >                                          (_)
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Michael J. Dower wrote:
> 
> In article <35dc9751.19618308@news.dennon.co.uk>, Nigel Thornley, VOTM
> <nthornley@dennon.co.uk> writes
> 
> >Cross posting is a Right that our forefathers fought and died for.
> 
> This is crap.  They did nothing of a sort.

What the fuck would you know.  If you have something against cross
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Kiji ga <35D73E79.26BF@nehebkaf.aeol.eg>
"William R. Osiris" <billyray@nehebkaf.aeol.eg> ga hakumashita:
� Michael J. Dower wrote:
� > 
� > In article <35dc9751.19618308@news.dennon.co.uk>, Nigel Thornley, VOTM
� > <nthornley@dennon.co.uk> writes
� > 
� > >Cross posting is a Right that our forefathers fought and died for.
� > 
� > This is crap.  They did nothing of a sort.
� 
� What the fuck would you know.  If you have something against cross
� posting,
� then DON'T CROSSPOST.

It is true.  Much blood has been shed to retain cross-posting.  Many
a fascist has tried to repress these rights, but in the end, the
will of the people has been restored.




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From: "William R. Osiris" <billyray@nehebkaf.aeol.eg>
Subject: Re: RFD for Charter change for demon.local
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Takamura wrote:
> 
> Kiji ga <35D73E79.26BF@nehebkaf.aeol.eg>
> "William R. Osiris" <billyray@nehebkaf.aeol.eg> ga hakumashita:
> � Michael J. Dower wrote:
> � >
> � > In article <35dc9751.19618308@news.dennon.co.uk>, Nigel Thornley, VOTM
> � > <nthornley@dennon.co.uk> writes
> � >
> � > >Cross posting is a Right that our forefathers fought and died for.
> � >
> � > This is crap.  They did nothing of a sort.
> �
> � What the fuck would you know.  If you have something against cross
> � posting,
> � then DON'T CROSSPOST.
> 
> It is true.  Much blood has been shed to retain cross-posting.  Many
> a fascist has tried to repress these rights, but in the end, the
> will of the people has been restored.

Praise Steve Boursey!



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From: jsorg@elvira.corp.sgi.com (Jack Sorg)
Subject: Re: �           F E A R   O F   A   M E O W   P L A N E T
Date: 1998/08/17
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Fifteen gigabytes uv data hit usenet ever day
How much uv that is Meer crew UPA?
Just ah small fracshun comes from ore facshun
It still sends duh netcops into acshun
Crossposts and tittyfuck cascades
Get us labeld as criminalS & reprobates
There's CFVs fer UDPs
and complaints sent tuh ISPs
Death threats issud in nana-u
Damn. Ye DAWGies!!! What's ah meowuh tuh do?
Dasent get me wrong - Ah ain't askin fer sympathy
Cuz none uv this shit will evuh right get tuh me
All Ah was after wuz just tuh got ah little fun
Ah nevuh thought Ah wood wind up on duh run
Ah fugitive - lookin and hopin
Tuh find myself ah newsfeed that's open
And if Ah manage tuh post - y'all might not read it
Goddam. Ye DAWGies!!! It's been superceded
UPA - Some people can't stand it
Chalk it up tuh fear uv ah meer planet

Anothuh day anothuh mailbomb threat
But it hasn't stoppd me yet
All this anti-meer hostility
Ah gotta shoot fer ah little anonymity
Cuz duh thins Ah say make duh fuckheads nervous
They attack with ah denial uv service
Ah pin attack on Port 139
That type uv shit is way out uv line
But ever day it's advocatd and condoned
By those who wish tuh see duh Kin dethroned
Petishuns is sent tuh duh people in power
Callin fer duh death uv each and ever meower
But what these fools fail tuh realize
We is ah army uv soldiers well-organized
We is ninja fighters like Hydras, ya heah?
Kill one meowuh and two mo appear
We is outnumberd ten thousand tuh one
But aftuh it's all been sez and done
Y'all bettuh recognize that ah small minority
Has forevuh alterd usenet history
And tuh those who wish tuh see us defeated
All y'all will get is history repeated
But some idiots just dasent wanna learn
They keep playin with fiuh and keep gettin burned
UPA - Duh fuckheads wanna ban it
Chalk it up tuh fear uv meer planet

Sometimes duh Kin lies awake at nights
Thinkin 'bout duh futuuh uv duh Bill uv Rights
If Jefferson wuz around today
Would he be down with meer and UPA?
Someher Ah dasent believe he'd offuh solace
Tuh some censoryus fuckhead like Guy Polis
I aint tryin tuh wrap myself in duh flag
Ah just dasent wanna see freedom in ah bodybag
Y'all c'n call me obnoxyus and obscene
They sez duh same about Hustluh magazine
Y'all dasent got tuh like it ore even respect it
But goddammit y'all bettuh protect it
Cuz tuh let some stupid news admin decide
What we c'n read is ah sure-fiuh suicide
Let me put this message in propuh context:
If they c'n silence me, they might silence y'all next
Think about that while y'all still got time
Cuz one day yore thoughts might be ah crime
If y'all dasent like what I done got tuh say
Turn off yore 'putuh and watch TV all day
Wheuh others decide what y'all c'n and can't see
And create ah false sense uv security
Y'all will see shit like plane wrecks in duh Everglades
But at least y'all won't be botherd by those evil meer cascades
UPA - some people dasent understand it
Chalk it up tuh fear uv ah meer planet



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: james g. keegan jr. wrote:
: > : alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy, always
: > : ready to clamp down on net abuse....
: > :
: > : (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to contact
: > : his lawyers etc etc)
: > 
: > isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
: > about forgeries from his site?
: 
: shpxurnq.

guess that answers that question.


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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> 
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> On Sun, 24 May 1998 14:40:19 GMT, FyRE@nospam.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
> : On Fri, 22 May 1998 18:15:15 GMT, in article
> <6k4fbj$5fq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> : The Cypher <cypher@wilhelp.com> wrote:
> :
> : [Forgeries]
> :
> : >Hmmm...let's play guess and check...don't think HFW did it...maybe Koput...
> : >maybe LyRE...not Bleatgoat...eh...any suggestions?
> :
> : alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy, always
> : ready to clamp down on net abuse....
> :
> : (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to contact his
> : lawyers etc etc)
> 
> isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
> about forgeries from his site?

shpxurnq.



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In article <356d5408.72651236@news-server>, jgkeegan@concentric.net wrote:

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> On Sun, 24 May 1998 14:40:19 GMT, FyRE@nospam.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
> : On Fri, 22 May 1998 18:15:15 GMT, in article
> <6k4fbj$5fq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> : The Cypher <cypher@wilhelp.com> wrote:
> : 
> : [Forgeries]
> : 
> : >Hmmm...let's play guess and check...don't think HFW did it...maybe Koput...
> : >maybe LyRE...not Bleatgoat...eh...any suggestions?
> : 
> : alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy, always
> : ready to clamp down on net abuse....
> : 
> : (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to contact his
> : lawyers etc etc)
> 
> isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
> about forgeries from his site?

Aren't you the one who was unwilling to attend a hearing that originated by
your actions?

Netcop.

-- 
Of course, wilhelp is Bill Palamer's copyrighted property. 

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: On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:13:08 GMT, in article
<356d5408.72651236@news-server>,
: keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: 
: >: alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out

: >isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
: >about forgeries from his site?
: 
: Funnily enough yes. He brags of flushing any mail sent to abuse@alt.net and
: doesn't believe an ISP has any responsibility for th actions of its users.
: Why he even told me he would ignore any email complaining about
: forgery/spam/slander etc.

from what i heard, he's well known for that kind of behavior.

: What a responsible guy. Not at all the shady, street corner hustler some
: make him out to be...

oh i never considered him a hustler, or street smart. or even smart. his
behavior suggests to me that he's just a very alienated sociopath who
happened to fall into a position of power in an isp whose mail claim to fame
is that they allow "forgery/spam/slander etc."

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In, <356a69a8.5885704@news.demon.co.uk>, on Sun, 24 May 1998 18:44:39
GMT, liquid@quick-silver.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:

#On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:13:08 GMT, in article
<356d5408.72651236@news-server>,
#keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
#
#>: alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy,
#>:always ready to clamp down on net abuse....
#>: 
#>: (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to
#>: contact his lawyers etc etc)
#>
#>isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to
#>complain about forgeries from his site?
#
#Funnily enough yes. He brags of flushing any mail sent to
# abuse@alt.net 

I'm pretty sure that's what any ISP's abuse dep't does with _your_
complaints, FyRE.



#and doesn't believe an ISP has any responsibility for th actions of
#its users Why he even told me he would ignore any email complaining
#about forgery/spam/slander etc.
#
#What a responsible guy. Not at all the shady, street corner hustler
#some make him out to be...


For some reason, hearing you lecture about net abuse makes me think of
three letters...

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Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub wrote:
> 
> I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
> is a real dork.
> 
> Pave the Earth...
> ...this is Chihu, signing off.

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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
(el rocko) farted and killed a pig:

>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
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>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
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>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
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>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
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>-+>> MEOW>--
>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day  |  About My
>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/           | Geek Code!"
>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
>-+>> MEOW>beans.
>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
>-+>> MEOW>   (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
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>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
>-+>
>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
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>
>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
world punishment enough?


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upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:

]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
]
]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
]>
]>
]>
]>
]>
]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
]>-+>> 
]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
]>-+>> 
]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
]>-+>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in
a
]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
]>-+>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
<etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
]>-+>> MEOW>|
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
1998 18:44:20
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
article
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with
large sigs and
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using
identical signatures
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is
"Look at me
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".
Cancel away.
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming
project.  A sig
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a
solution to
]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
]>-+>> MEOW>|
]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
]>-+>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking
about
]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
]>-+>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>
]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
]>-+>> MEOW>--
]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
]>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
]>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day  |  About My
]>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/           | Geek Code!"
]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
]>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
]>-+>> MEOW>beans.
]>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
]>-+>> MEOW>   (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you would have just
built
]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which collapsed, killing
]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
]>-+>> 
]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
]>-+>
]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
]>-+>nuclear.
]>
]>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
]
]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
]world punishment enough?

And having to drink bad wine instead of water?


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el rocko wrote:
. taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) found time to write:
. 
. -+>On Mon, 25 May 1998 07:26:52 GMT, spit@sputnik.pornpig.ru (Komrade
Pavel Radioaktograd XVII) wrote:
. -+>
. -+>MEOW>upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:
. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
.
.+>MEOW>]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
. -+>MEOW>](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
. -+>MEOW>]
. -+>MEOW>]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to
write:
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT,
cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
. -+>MEOW>(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
. -+>MEOW>]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
Agent) pointed out in
. -+>MEOW>a
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
. -+>MEOW><etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
. -+>MEOW>elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In,
<01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
. -+>MEOW>1998 18:44:20
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird"
<hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence
.news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
. -+>MEOW>article
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few
posters posting with
. -+>MEOW>large sigs and
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble
are using
. -+>MEOW>identical signatures
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the
message conveyed is
. -+>MEOW>"Look at me
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a
shit-stirring cunt".
. -+>MEOW>Cancel away.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next
little programming
. -+>MEOW>project.  A sig
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone
on Usenet posts a
. -+>MEOW>solution to
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M.
Rouette is talking
. -+>MEOW>about
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>--
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over
it) Grub
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net
|  "Ask Me
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day 
|  About My
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/          
| Geek Code!"
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained
lesbian jumping
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>beans.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  
(http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you
would have just
. -+>MEOW>built
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which
collapsed, killing
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India
has to go
. -+>MEOW>]>-+>nuclear.
. -+>MEOW>]>
. -+>MEOW>]>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE
FRANCE.
. -+>MEOW>]
. -+>MEOW>]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of
the Western
. -+>MEOW>]world punishment enough?
. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>And having to drink bad wine instead of water?
. -+>
. -+>While eating goose liver called pate.
. 
. And having oral sex with snails.

And French kissing.

. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>8888888b.  888     888  .d8888b.   .d8888b. 8888888
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. -+>MEOW>8888888P"  888     888     "Y88b.     "Y88b.  888
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. -+>MEOW>888        Y88b. .d88P Y88b  d88P Y88b  d88P  888
. -+>MEOW>888         "Y88888P"   "Y8888P"   "Y8888P" 8888888
. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>
. -+>MEOW>8888888b.   .d88888b.  8888888b.   .d8888b.         d8888
888b  888
. -+>MEOW>888   Y88b d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b d88P  Y88b       d88888
8888b   888
. -+>MEOW>888    888 888     888 888    888 888    888      d88P888
88888b  888
. -+>MEOW>888   d88P 888     888 888   d88P 888            d88P 888
888Y88b 888
. -+>MEOW>8888888P"  888     888 8888888P"  888  88888    d88P  888 888
Y88b888
. -+>MEOW>888        888     888 888 T88b   888    888   d88P   888 888 
Y88888
. -+>MEOW>888        Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b  Y88b  d88P  d8888888888
888   Y8888
. -+>MEOW>888         "Y88888P"  888   T88b  "Y8888P88 d88P     888
888    Y888

a bientot!
-- 
dmeather@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
	--dig it--		
smeeter #24	*wsd #21!*	
icq:  9288803	ACC# 598064	
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----------
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turns a love to shame
disguised and disfigured and 
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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's suppurating asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire,chewing gum and popsickle sticks
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minou wrote:
> 
> el rocko wrote:
> . taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) found time to write:
> .
> . -+>On Mon, 25 May 1998 07:26:52 GMT, spit@sputnik.pornpig.ru (Komrade
> Pavel Radioaktograd XVII) wrote:
> . -+>
> . -+>MEOW>upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:
> . -+>MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
> .
> .+>MEOW>]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
> . -+>MEOW>](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
> . -+>MEOW>]
> . -+>MEOW>]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to
> write:
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT,
> cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
> . -+>MEOW>(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
> . -+>MEOW>]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
> Agent) pointed out in
> . -+>MEOW>a
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
> . -+>MEOW><etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
> . -+>MEOW>elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In,
> <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
> . -+>MEOW>1998 18:44:20
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird"
> <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence
> .news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> . -+>MEOW>article
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few
> posters posting with
> . -+>MEOW>large sigs and
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble
> are using
> . -+>MEOW>identical signatures
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the
> message conveyed is
> . -+>MEOW>"Look at me
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a
> shit-stirring cunt".
> . -+>MEOW>Cancel away.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next
> little programming
> . -+>MEOW>project.  A sig
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone
> on Usenet posts a
> . -+>MEOW>solution to
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M.
> Rouette is talking
> . -+>MEOW>about
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>--
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over
> it) Grub
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net
> |  "Ask Me
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day
> |  About My
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/
> | Geek Code!"
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained
> lesbian jumping
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>beans.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you
> would have just
> . -+>MEOW>built
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which
> collapsed, killing
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India
> has to go
> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>nuclear.
> . -+>MEOW>]>
> . -+>MEOW>]>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE
> FRANCE.
> . -+>MEOW>]
> . -+>MEOW>]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of
> the Western
> . -+>MEOW>]world punishment enough?
> . -+>MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>And having to drink bad wine instead of water?
> . -+>
> . -+>While eating goose liver called pate.
> .
> . And having oral sex with snails.
> 
> And French kissing.
> 
> . -+>MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>8888888b.  888     888  .d8888b.   .d8888b. 8888888
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> . -+>MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>
> . -+>MEOW>
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> Y88b888
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> Y88888
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> 888   Y8888
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> 888    Y888
> 
> a bientot!

du rien!



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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to build a cancelbot out of toothpicks and popsickle sticks
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Bill The Cat wrote:
> 
> Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub wrote:
> >
> > I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
> > is a real dork.
> >
> > Pave the Earth...
> > ...this is Chihu, signing off.
> 
> Il est un petit chien... HONH! HONH! HONH!

I am un chien d'Andalusia
I am un chien d'Andalusia
Gonna grow up to be a Debaser
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Subject: Re: -L@@K AT TERRY HATCHER NUDE 34068
Date: 1998/05/25
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On Mon, 25 May 1998 19:31:52 GMT, taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
Agent) wrote:

>On Monday, 25 May 1998 09:23:16 -0600, CoryEverson@NudeHere.com wrote:
>
>MEOW>       http://cyberrealm.net/~dr777/
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>
>Sign me up.

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IRS Agent wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 25 May 1998 19:02:38 GMT, mhm15x5@in�a�me�.com� (WeeSaul) wrote:
> 
> MEOW>On Mon, 25 May 1998 19:31:52 GMT, taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
> MEOW>Agent) wrote:
> MEOW>
> MEOW>>On Monday, 25 May 1998 09:23:16 -0600, CoryEverson@NudeHere.com wrote:
> MEOW>>
> MEOW>>MEOW>       http://cyberrealm.net/~dr777/
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> MEOW>>MEOW>*SPICE GIRLS, JEWEL, HOLLY ROBINSON*
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> MEOW>>MEOW>*NEVE CAMPBELL, FIONA APPLE*
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> MEOW>>
> MEOW>>Sign me up.
> MEOW>
> MEOW>Wee, too...
> 
> Wee three.

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taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) wroat:

]On Mon, 25 May 1998 14:07:30 -0300, Academician Trofim Lysenko
<lysenko@lysates.dammit.su> wrote:
]
]MEOW>minou wrote:
]MEOW>> 
]MEOW>> el rocko wrote:
]MEOW>> . taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) found time to write:
]MEOW>> .
]MEOW>> . -+>On Mon, 25 May 1998 07:26:52 GMT, spit@sputnik.pornpig.ru (Komrade
]MEOW>> Pavel Radioaktograd XVII) wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
]MEOW>> .
]MEOW>>
].+>MEOW>]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to
]MEOW>> write:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT,
]MEOW>> cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
]MEOW>> Agent) pointed out in
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>a
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW><etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In,
]MEOW>> <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>1998 18:44:20
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird"
]MEOW>> <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence
]MEOW>> .news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>article
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
]MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few
]MEOW>> posters posting with
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>large sigs and
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble
]MEOW>> are using
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>identical signatures
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the
]MEOW>> message conveyed is
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]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a
]MEOW>> shit-stirring cunt".
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>Cancel away.
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next
]MEOW>> little programming
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>project.  A sig
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone
]MEOW>> on Usenet posts a
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>solution to
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M.
]MEOW>> Rouette is talking
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>about
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>--
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over
]MEOW>> it) Grub
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]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
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]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you
]MEOW>> would have just
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>built
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which
]MEOW>> collapsed, killing
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India
]MEOW>> has to go
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]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
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]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of
]MEOW>> the Western
]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]world punishment enough?
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]MEOW>> a bientot!
]MEOW>
]MEOW>du rien!
]
]Je ne parle pas Francais.

Poontang.


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Subject: Re: -L@@K AT TERRY HATCHER NUDE 34068
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vulis@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) wroat:

]On Mon, 25 May 1998 19:02:38 GMT, mhm15x5@in�a�me�.com� (WeeSaul) wrote:
]
]MEOW>On Mon, 25 May 1998 19:31:52 GMT, taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
]MEOW>Agent) wrote:
]MEOW>
]MEOW>>On Monday, 25 May 1998 09:23:16 -0600, CoryEverson@NudeHere.com wrote:
]MEOW>>
]MEOW>>MEOW>       http://cyberrealm.net/~dr777/
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]MEOW>>
]MEOW>>Sign me up.
]MEOW>
]MEOW>Wee, too...
]
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From: EvilMeower@coolie.hotmail.com (Desty Nova)
Subject: Re: More forgeries/mailbomings from alt.net: Re: Surprise, surprise...I've been mailbombed
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keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

>: What a responsible guy. Not at all the shady, street corner hustler some
>: make him out to be...
>
>oh i never considered him a hustler, or street smart. or even smart. his
>behavior suggests to me that he's just a very alienated sociopath who
>happened to fall into a position of power in an isp whose mail claim to fame
>is that they allow "forgery/spam/slander etc."

Shut up, Keegan. Stay away from LyRE in future, too - I'm not sure
which one of you loses more credibility by the association. Perhaps
we'll know when more sensitive equipment is developed, and we can
measure credibility in amounts of less than one millionth of a Quayle.
(The smallest known whole measurement of credibility. We're thinking
of naming it's anti-particle in your honour, Keegles. You should be
proud.)

Peter

-=-=-=Peter Miller-mhm pending=-=-=-=-=-EvilMeower(at)hotmail.com=-=-=-
             "Well, yes, a bosom for a pillow does sound 
               rather nice right now." --The Kalinsch
-=-=-=-=-=-=-To send me email, deny the racial epithet.=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Obfilter: Assassinate the President, but needs the password.
   R'lyeh National Gallery: http://www.deliverance.mcmail.com/art/
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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to drop the trousers he borrowed from Craig "Tubby" Oldfield and bury the third leg in FyRE's pustule filled syphlitic three-legged suppurating asshole, which is filled with 3 gallons of convict semen, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire,chewing gum, twist ties from moldy loaves of Wonder Bread and popsickle sticks
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On Tue, 26 May 1998 10:19:41 GMT, vulis@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
Agent) posted this to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet:

>On Tue, 26 May 1998 01:42:03 GMT, spit@sputnik.p0rnpig.ru (K0mrade Pavel Radi0akt0grad XVIII) wrote:
>
>MEOW>taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) wroat:
>MEOW>
>MEOW>]On Mon, 25 May 1998 14:07:30 -0300, Academician Trofim Lysenko
>MEOW><lysenko@lysates.dammit.su> wrote:
>MEOW>]
>MEOW>]MEOW>minou wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 
>MEOW>]MEOW>> el rocko wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) found time to write:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> .
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>On Mon, 25 May 1998 07:26:52 GMT, spit@sputnik.pornpig.ru (Komrade
>MEOW>]MEOW>> Pavel Radioaktograd XVII) wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
>MEOW>]MEOW>> .
>MEOW>]MEOW>>
>MEOW>].+>MEOW>]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to
>MEOW>]MEOW>> write:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT,
>MEOW>]MEOW>> cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
>MEOW>]MEOW>> Agent) pointed out in
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>a
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW><etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In,
>MEOW>]MEOW>> <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>1998 18:44:20
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird"
>MEOW>]MEOW>> <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence
>MEOW>]MEOW>> .news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>article
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few
>MEOW>]MEOW>> posters posting with
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>large sigs and
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble
>MEOW>]MEOW>> are using
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>identical signatures
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the
>MEOW>]MEOW>> message conveyed is
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>"Look at me
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a
>MEOW>]MEOW>> shit-stirring cunt".
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>Cancel away.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next
>MEOW>]MEOW>> little programming
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>project.  A sig
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone
>MEOW>]MEOW>> on Usenet posts a
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>solution to
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> Rouette is talking
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>about
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>--
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over
>MEOW>]MEOW>> it) Grub
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net
>MEOW>]MEOW>> |  "Ask Me
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day
>MEOW>]MEOW>> |  About My
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/
>MEOW>]MEOW>> | Geek Code!"
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained
>MEOW>]MEOW>> lesbian jumping
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>beans.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you
>MEOW>]MEOW>> would have just
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>built
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which
>MEOW>]MEOW>> collapsed, killing
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India
>MEOW>]MEOW>> has to go
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>-+>nuclear.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE
>MEOW>]MEOW>> FRANCE.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of
>MEOW>]MEOW>> the Western
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>]world punishment enough?
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>And having to drink bad wine instead of water?
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>While eating goose liver called pate.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> .
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . And having oral sex with snails.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 
>MEOW>]MEOW>> And French kissing.
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 
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>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>8888888b.   .d88888b.  8888888b.   .d8888b.         d8888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 888b  888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>888   Y88b d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b d88P  Y88b       d88888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 8888b   888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>888    888 888     888 888    888 888    888      d88P888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 88888b  888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>888   d88P 888     888 888   d88P 888            d88P 888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 888Y88b 888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>8888888P"  888     888 8888888P"  888  88888    d88P  888 888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> Y88b888
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>MEOW>]MEOW>> . -+>MEOW>888         "Y88888P"  888   T88b  "Y8888P88 d88P     888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 888    Y888
>MEOW>]MEOW>> 
>MEOW>]MEOW>> a bientot!
>MEOW>]MEOW>
>MEOW>]MEOW>du rien!
>MEOW>]
>MEOW>]Je ne parle pas Francais.
>MEOW>
>MEOW>Poontang.
>
>Gash.

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el rocko wrote:

> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
> -+>nuclear.
> 
> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???

We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
ruin your whole day...

Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!


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In article <356AFD3B.446B@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu>, 
hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu says...
>
>el rocko wrote:
>
>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
>> -+>nuclear.
>> 
>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
>
>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
>
>We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
>Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
>ruin your whole day...
>
>Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
>
Besides, the garlic eating fuckers might breath on you.


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In article <356b4176.1670467@news.virgin.net>, r.branson@virgin.net wrote:

� Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> found time to write:
� 
� 
� 
� 
� 
� -+>el rocko wrote:
� -+>
� -+>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
� -+>> -+>nuclear.
� -+>> 
� -+>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
� -+>
� -+>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
� 
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� 
� -+>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
� -+>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
� -+>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
� 
� So what. What has that got to do with me?

It's got plenty to do with ~me~ - I don't want to be blown apart to fucking atoms!  I'm leaning more toward the "cover France in concrete and ~then~ nuke it" option.

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Spiro wrote:
> 
> In article <356AFD3B.446B@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu>,
> hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu says...
> >
> >el rocko wrote:
> >
> >> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
> >> -+>nuclear.
> >>
> >> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
> >
> >Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
> >the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
> >that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
> >MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
> >
> >We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
> >Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
> >ruin your whole day...
> >
> >Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
> >
> Besides, the garlic eating fuckers might breath on you.

They don't eat garlic. They eat frogs and baguette bread.

HONH! HONH! Je mange des champignons atomiques!

See, I chose an easy phrase, so you should beable to translate it with
Babelfish.

E. Rouette
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Spiro wrote:
> 
> In article <356AFD3B.446B@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu>,
> hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu says...
> >
> >el rocko wrote:
> >
> >> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
> >> -+>nuclear.
> >>
> >> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
> >
> >Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
> >the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
> >that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
> >MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
> >
> >We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
> >Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
> >ruin your whole day...
> >
> >Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
> >
> Besides, the garlic eating fuckers might breath on you.

And then they'll want to show you Jerry Lewis movies.



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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's suppurating asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire,chewing gum and popsickle sticks
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In article <3569A552.2E4C@lysates.dammit.su>,
  Academician Trofim Lysenko <lysenko@lysates.dammit.su> wrote:
>
> minou wrote:
> >
> > el rocko wrote:
> > . taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) found time to write:
> > .
> > . -+>On Mon, 25 May 1998 07:26:52 GMT, spit@sputnik.pornpig.ru (Komrade
> > Pavel Radioaktograd XVII) wrote:
> > . -+>
> > . -+>MEOW>upornpigass@brandy.trio.se (U PORNPIG ASS) wroat:
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
> > .
> > .+>MEOW>]Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
> > . -+>MEOW>](el rocko) farted and killed a pig:
> > . -+>MEOW>]
> > . -+>MEOW>]>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to
> > write:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT,
> > cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack
> > . -+>MEOW>(Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
> > . -+>MEOW>]>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS
> > Agent) pointed out in
> > . -+>MEOW>a
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette
> > . -+>MEOW><etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT,
> > . -+>MEOW>elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In,
> > <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May
> > . -+>MEOW>1998 18:44:20
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird"
> > <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence
> > .news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> > . -+>MEOW>article
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
> > MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few
> > posters posting with
> > . -+>MEOW>large sigs and
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble
> > are using
> > . -+>MEOW>identical signatures
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the
> > message conveyed is
> > . -+>MEOW>"Look at me
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a
> > shit-stirring cunt".
> > . -+>MEOW>Cancel away.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next
> > little programming
> > . -+>MEOW>project.  A sig
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone
> > on Usenet posts a
> > . -+>MEOW>solution to
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M.
> > Rouette is talking
> > . -+>MEOW>about
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>--
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over
> > it) Grub
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net
> > |  "Ask Me
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day
> > |  About My
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/
> > | Geek Code!"
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained
> > lesbian jumping
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>beans.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>
> > (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>  -----
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you
> > would have just
> > . -+>MEOW>built
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which
> > collapsed, killing
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>> The bridge must not have been very crowded.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India
> > has to go
> > . -+>MEOW>]>-+>nuclear.
> > . -+>MEOW>]>
> > . -+>MEOW>]>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE
> > FRANCE.
> > . -+>MEOW>]
> > . -+>MEOW>]Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of
> > the Western
> > . -+>MEOW>]world punishment enough?
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>And having to drink bad wine instead of water?
> > . -+>
> > . -+>While eating goose liver called pate.
> > .
> > . And having oral sex with snails.
> >
> > And French kissing.
> >
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>8888888b.  888     888  .d8888b.   .d8888b. 8888888
> > . -+>MEOW>888   Y88b 888     888 d88P  Y88b d88P  Y88b  888
> > . -+>MEOW>888    888 888     888 Y88b.      Y88b.       888
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> > . -+>MEOW>888        888     888       "888       "888  888
> > . -+>MEOW>888        Y88b. .d88P Y88b  d88P Y88b  d88P  888
> > . -+>MEOW>888         "Y88888P"   "Y8888P"   "Y8888P" 8888888
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>
> > . -+>MEOW>8888888b.   .d88888b.  8888888b.   .d8888b.         d8888
> > 888b  888
> > . -+>MEOW>888   Y88b d88P" "Y88b 888   Y88b d88P  Y88b       d88888
> > 8888b   888
> > . -+>MEOW>888    888 888     888 888    888 888    888      d88P888
> > 88888b  888
> > . -+>MEOW>888   d88P 888     888 888   d88P 888            d88P 888
> > 888Y88b 888
> > . -+>MEOW>8888888P"  888     888 8888888P"  888  88888    d88P  888 888
> > Y88b888
> > . -+>MEOW>888        888     888 888 T88b   888    888   d88P   888 888
> > Y88888
> > . -+>MEOW>888        Y88b. .d88P 888  T88b  Y88b  d88P  d8888888888
> > 888   Y8888
> > . -+>MEOW>888         "Y88888P"  888   T88b  "Y8888P88 d88P     888
> > 888    Y888
> >
> > a bientot!
>
> du rien!
>
Voulez vous couchez avec moi, ce soir....

Stu Copeland

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Arsenic wrote:
> 
> In article <356b4176.1670467@news.virgin.net>, r.branson@virgin.net wrote:
> 
> � Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> found time to write:
> �
> �
> �
> �
> �
> � -+>el rocko wrote:
> � -+>
> � -+>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
> � -+>> -+>nuclear.
> � -+>>
> � -+>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
> � -+>
> � -+>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
> �
> � No.                              Yes
> �
> � -+>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
> � -+>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
> � -+>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
> �
> � So what. What has that got to do with me?
> 
> It's got plenty to do with ~me~ - I don't want to be blown apart to fucking atoms!  I'm leaning more toward the "cover France in concrete and ~then~ nuke it" option.

I would like to poke Julie Delpy before you do that, Lewis.



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FyRE wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:13:08 GMT, in article <356d5408.72651236@news-server>,
> keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> 
> >: alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy, always
> >: ready to clamp down on net abuse....
> >:
> >: (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to contact his
> >: lawyers etc etc)
> >
> >isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
> >about forgeries from his site?
> 
> Funnily enough yes. He brags of flushing any mail sent to abuse@alt.net and
> doesn't believe an ISP has any responsibility for th actions of its users.
> Why he even told me he would ignore any email complaining about
> forgery/spam/slander etc.

Sounds like my kind of guy. I don't believe ISPs are responsible for the
actions of their users either. The best way to shut down Usenet altogether
would be for Govmints to make service providers legally responsible for the
content on their servers. That's like asking Telcos to be held responsible
for obscene, abusive etc phone calls. Most small providers would go belly-up,
not being in a financial position to deal with the legal expenses etc, let
alone monitor their users' activities. That would leave a handful of 
"Super-Servers" like AOL etc.... I rest my case.

> 
> What a responsible guy. Not at all the shady, street corner hustler some make
> him out to be...

Sounds good to me...

-- 
Kerro.
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Subject: Nuking France (Was: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks)
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Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
>> -+>nuclear.
>> 
>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
>
>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
>
>We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
>Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
>ruin your whole day...
>
>Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!

So what if they've got hundreds of nuclear warheads at sea? They're
French. They'd all miss.

Peter

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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks
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In article <6kietp$3j9$2@news.u-net.com>,
spiro@cool.dude (Spiro) wrote:

>Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks
>From: spiro@cool.dude (Spiro)
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>Date: 28 May 1998 01:33:45 GMT
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>
>In article <356B81DE.59BE@sympatico.ca>, etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca 
>says...
>>
>>Spiro wrote:
>>> 
>>> In article <356AFD3B.446B@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu>,
>>> hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu says...
>>> >
>>> >el rocko wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to 
>go
>>> >> -+>nuclear.
>>> >>
>>> >> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
>>> >
>>> >Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
>>> >the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
>>> >that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
>>> >MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
>>> >
>>> >We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
>>> >Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
>>> >ruin your whole day...
>>> >
>>> >Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
>>> >
>>> Besides, the garlic eating fuckers might breath on you.
>>
>>They don't eat garlic. They eat frogs and baguette bread.
>>
>>HONH! HONH! Je mange des champignons atomiques!
>>
>>See, I chose an easy phrase, so you should beable to translate it with
>>Babelfish.
>>
>
>You drink atomic champagne?  

Betcha he *really* clears the room when he farts.

I think he said he eats microscopic mushrooms, actually, but it's hard to
tell. He speaks some strange Quebec patois. Patois de fois gras, maybe.

The Duck





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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks
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In article <356B81DE.59BE@sympatico.ca>, etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca 
says...
>
>Spiro wrote:
>> 
>> In article <356AFD3B.446B@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu>,
>> hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu says...
>> >
>> >el rocko wrote:
>> >
>> >> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to 
go
>> >> -+>nuclear.
>> >>
>> >> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
>> >
>> >Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
>> >the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
>> >that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
>> >MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
>> >
>> >We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
>> >Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
>> >ruin your whole day...
>> >
>> >Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
>> >
>> Besides, the garlic eating fuckers might breath on you.
>
>They don't eat garlic. They eat frogs and baguette bread.
>
>HONH! HONH! Je mange des champignons atomiques!
>
>See, I chose an easy phrase, so you should beable to translate it with
>Babelfish.
>

You drink atomic champagne?  


-- 
spiro
 
==============================================================
In article <01bd883b$e9083880$0100b51f@dbqa>,
Tom "Hamster" Bird fails to see the irony in his words:
 
"I endeavour to be a good internet citizen, 
avoiding cross posts and looking like a fuckwit."




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Subject: Re: Nuking France (Was: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks)
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In, <356c8625.1048606@news.virgin.net>, on Wed, 27 May 1998 21:33:42
GMT,
Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
(el rocko) wrote:

#EvilMeower@coolie.hotmail.com (Desty Nova) found time to write:
#
#
#
#
#
#-+>Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> wrote:
#-+>
#-+>>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has
to go
#-+>>> -+>nuclear.
#-+>>> 
#-+>>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
#-+>>
#-+>>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
#-+>>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
#-+>>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
#-+>>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
#-+>>
#-+>>We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
#-+>>Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
#-+>>ruin your whole day...
#-+>>
#-+>>Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
#-+>
#-+>So what if they've got hundreds of nuclear warheads at sea?
They're
#-+>French. They'd all miss.
#
#LOL
#
#Or they'd try and wurk out which greenpeace ship to sink for doing
#it.

I think the French are holding on to the nukes so they can hand them
over to the next country that invades them.



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�El Brujo! wrote in message <3579f344.119084474@news.swbell.net>...
>In, <356c8625.1048606@news.virgin.net>, on Wed, 27 May 1998 21:33:42
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>(el rocko) wrote:
>
>#EvilMeower@coolie.hotmail.com (Desty Nova) found time to write:
>#
>#
>#
>#
>#
>#-+>Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>#-+>
>#-+>>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has
>to go
>#-+>>> -+>nuclear.
>#-+>>>
>#-+>>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
>#-+>>
>#-+>>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
>#-+>>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
>#-+>>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
>#-+>>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
>#-+>>
>#-+>>We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
>#-+>>Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
>#-+>>ruin your whole day...
>#-+>>
>#-+>>Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
>#-+>
>#-+>So what if they've got hundreds of nuclear warheads at sea?
>They're
>#-+>French. They'd all miss.
>#
>#LOL
>#
>#Or they'd try and wurk out which greenpeace ship to sink for doing
>#it.
>
>I think the French are holding on to the nukes so they can hand them
>over to the next country that invades them.


Even Italy kicked France's ass in the last war.  Italy.


>#-+>Peter
>#-+>
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From: "Michael Jozwik" <mike@jamdata.net>
Subject: earthfriendlymarketing.com/mycomsoftware.com is SPAMMER HAVEN
Date: 1998/05/29
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See www.earthfriendlymarketing.com and SPAM Below

**BEGIN MY REPLY**
This e-mail it to inform you of the net abuse.  This company has sent me
unwanted unsolicited commercial e-mail regarding some marketing
make-money-quick scam.  Please take the appropriate action per your TOS
agreement with the user.

Message to AOL:  The whois email contact was chadnnina@aol.com

Any further SPAM from earthfriendlymarketing.com or any mail associated with
that block of IP's to any user our domain will result in
earthfriendlymarketing.com, mycomsoftware.com and awc.net getting blackholed
from our e-mail & web servers as well as I will post the needed information
to the appropriate net abuse newsgroups so other admins can blackhole the
domain as well.  Perhaps a few anti-spam zealots will call and run up their
toll free number.

If you don't understand why this email was sent to your abuse box, see the
traceroute and whois below.

Have a nice day!

**BEGIN THE SPAM**
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with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3)
 id L6B12A2X; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:04:33 -0400
To: <mike@jamdata.net>
From: <server@earthfriendlymarketing.com>   <---BIG SUPRISE THIS ADDRESS
BOUNCES
Subject: Hi...

-----Original Message-----
From: server@earthfriendlymarketing.com <server@earthfriendlymarketing.com>
To: mike@jamdata.net <mike@jamdata.net>
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 4:04 AM
Subject: Hi...


>**********************************************************
>If you wish to be removed from our data base please press
>"REPLY" and type "REMOVE" only in the "SUBJECT" line.
>You will receive an automatic confirmation.
>**********************************************************
>
>From the desk of #1 Best-Selling Financial Author,
>Robert Allen
>
>San Diego, California
>11:29 P.M.
>
>I can't sleep until I get this off my chest.
>
>I'm extremely frustrated.
>
>Odds are that 9 out of 10 people who receive this letter
>will discard it without a second thought.  Yet, I know that
>I have discovered a secret that could change your financial
>life forever!  And I'm willing to share it with you for free.
>
>Do you want to end your money pressures forever?
>Do you want to double your income?
>Do you want to build an extra stream of income quickly?
>
>If you answered yes, then let me show you how you can begin
>living your dreams this year before it's too late.  I'll
>get right to the point.
>
>As it says on the letterhead, my name is Robert Allen.  I'm
>famous for my two #1 New York Times Best-selling books,
>Nothing Down and Creating Wealth.  There are lots of
>millionaires who credit their success to one of my books or
>seminars.  So when I share this secret with you, I want you
>to know that I've done my homework.  Here it comes:
>
>I have discovered what I believe is the perfect home-based
>business.
>
>Although I'm well known for real-estate investment books
>and seminars, this new business has absolutely nothing to
>do with real estate.  In fact, it's much easier and far
>less risky.  It involves,
>
>..No employees!
>..No risk!
>..Little start-up cash!
>..It's so simple, anyone can do it!
>
>You could be earning $1,000 a week in as little as 90 days.
>One person I know went from zero to $3,000 a week in 60
>days.  That's $150,000 a year extra, hassle-free income!
>
>In my 20 years of research, I can honestly say, I've never
>seen a faster, easier way to create a stream of income.
>
>I know this sounds too good to be true.  Frankly, I didn't
>believe it myself at first.  Finally, I agreed to check it
>out.  As a test, I selected a small group of people and
>introduced them to this incredible opportunity.  Almost
>immediately, many of them started earning profits.  Within
>weeks, many were earning incomes of $4,000 per month in net
>cash flow.  Now, some of them are cashing checks for $3,000
>a week.  And this is just the beginning!  Their earning
>potential could be unlimited!
>
>Would you like to learn how to do that?  I'd love to show
>you how.  But only if you're interested enough to make one
>telephone call.  The number to call immediately is
>(888) 572-8965.  It's a 3-minute, toll-free,  24-hour
>recorded message.
>
>This may be the answer you have been seeking.
>
>Warmly,
>
>
>Robert G. Allen
>
>
>P.S.  I want to show you how to create extra streams of
>income quickly.  Go to the phone and call now.
>

**BEGIN THE PROOF**
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packet
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WHOIS:
Earth Friendly (EARTHFRIENDLYMARKETING-DOM)
   1515 Buena Vista Unit P
   San Clemente, CA 92672
   US

   Domain Name: EARTHFRIENDLYMARKETING.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Desandro, Nina  (ND1107)  chadnnina@AOL.COM
      949 361-3046 (FAX) 949 361-4376
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Domain Services  (AWC2-ORG)  hostmaster@AWC.NET
      973-808-5585
Fax- 973-808-5584
   Billing Contact:
      Desandro, Nina  (ND1107)  chadnnina@AOL.COM
      949 361-3046 (FAX) 949 361-4376

   Record last updated on 20-May-98.
   Record created on 04-May-98.
   Database last updated on 28-May-98 03:57:52 EDT.
   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.MYCOMSOFTWARE.NET        208.29.220.10
   NS2.MYCOMSOFTWARE.NET        208.29.220.9


The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY non-military Domains
and
POC's.  Other associated whois servers:
  American Registry for Internet Numbers whois server - whois.arin.net
  European IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.ripe.net
  Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.apnic.net






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From: Felix LeGato <jontomas@goodnet.com>
Subject: Dangerous Izzy is also ShieldWolf is also Michael Smith is also Carmlo
Date: 1998/05/29
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Both are from the GTE service provider.  I got Izzy's
account pulled not once but twice because he sent me psychotic
private emails.  This is his latest account and he is
pretending to be a North Carolina Sheriff who is also a High
Priest of Spirit Mountain along with a High Priestess.  What a
dumb story, I know.
  Izzy is very dangerously depressed.  Please do not invite
him to visit you.  I think that he might be a killer.  Raven
BlackBane also noticed this and she told me a few things that
she revealed.  Izzy may be a murderer is all that I can say at
this time.

You can see that he posts in fragments and hardly makes sense
at all.

  I can't prove that he is also Michael Smith and Carmlo, but
I have some evidence.  Michael Smith is a computer buff who
will be going to Georgia Institute of Technology for a
Computer Science Phd.  Carmlo is a very superior hacker as we
have also noted.  Both are from Chicago and post to the very
same newsgroups at slightly different times.  Michael kept
saying to me, figure it out yet?  As if his identity was
obvious to me.  I didn't notice till now.  Michael also
suggested that Carmlo may live in Georgia.  This is about the
same time that Michael was accepted into Grad school, in you
guessed it, Georgia.

This guy needs to be questioned by the police.  I think he may
be a danger to others and himself.  

-- 
These are my own X-Files.
http://www.goodnet.com/~jontomas



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From: blackbane@bbs-1.anneli.com (Raven BlackBane)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Izzy is also ShieldWolf is also Michael Smith is also Carmlo
Date: 1998/05/30
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Felix LeGato (jontomas@goodnet.com) wrote:
: 
: This guy needs to be questioned by the police.  I think he may
: be a danger to others and himself.  
: 

  I have evidence that M. Smith mailed something to a certain government
agency.



-- 

http://www.anneli.com/blackbane
IRC : anneli.com  #witchcraft
creator of alt.witchcraft
creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft
original creator of alt.religion.wicca
don't like my postings, then go to:
   
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Subject: Re: Nuking France (Was: Re: Tom Bird wants to bury the bone in FyRE's asshole, but FyRE won't give it up to him unless he builds a cancelbot out of toothpicks, baling wire and popsickle sticks)
Date: 1998/05/30
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Frosted-Flake: see above
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In article <35720d7a.1035172@news.virgin.net>, r.branson@virgin.net wrote:

� el#brujo@net#cene.com (�El Brujo!) found time to write:
� 
� 
� 
� 
� 
� -+>In, <356c8625.1048606@news.virgin.net>, on Wed, 27 May 1998 21:33:42
� -+>GMT,
� -+>Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
� -+>(el rocko) wrote:
� -+>
� -+>#EvilMeower@coolie.hotmail.com (Desty Nova) found time to write:
� -+>#
� -+>#
� -+>#
� -+>#
� -+>#
� -+>#-+>Zen Bitz <hitz@BRAINburrito.bioc.columbia.edu> wrote:
� -+>#-+>
� -+>#-+>>> -+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has
� -+>to go
� -+>#-+>>> -+>nuclear.
� -+>#-+>>> 
� -+>#-+>>> And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.
� -+>#-+>>
� -+>#-+>>Are you fucking kidding me?  Nuke +france+???  France is probably
� -+>#-+>>the number 3 or 4 world wide nuclear power... do you realize
� -+>#-+>>that they have enough warheads ON SUBS AT SEA AT ANY GIVEN
� -+>#-+>>MOMENT to vaporize the East Coast of the US???
� -+>#-+>>
� -+>#-+>>We are talking 100's of warheads - peanuts compared to
� -+>#-+>>Cold War US/USSR arsenals, but a few 100 nukes will
� -+>#-+>>ruin your whole day...
� -+>#-+>>
� -+>#-+>>Moral:  DON'T FUCK WITH FRANCE!
� -+>#-+>
� -+>#-+>So what if they've got hundreds of nuclear warheads at sea?
� -+>They're
� -+>#-+>French. They'd all miss.
� -+>#
� -+>#LOL
� -+>#
� -+>#Or they'd try and wurk out which greenpeace ship to sink for doing
� -+>#it.
� -+>
� -+>I think the French are holding on to the nukes so they can hand them
� -+>over to the next country that invades them.
� 
� ROFL
� 
� I think I've just sussed what the channel tunnel is realy for <G>

Damn.  It actually has a purpose after all.

-- 
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"I'm not called the official alt.usenet.kooks comedian for nothing." - Palmjob in the same article
"You're picking you butt NOW!" - Palmjob in the same article
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"Why is that Bill?  No class." - Palmjob in the same article



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From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Izzy is also ShieldWolf is also Michael Smith is also Carmlo
Date: 1998/05/30
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 23:47:53 -0700, Felix LeGato
<jontomas@goodnet.com> wrote:

< snip >

>  I can't prove that he is also Michael Smith and Carmlo, but
>I have some evidence.  

< snip >

Yeah, and Talesin and RBB both use the same closing tag in their .sig
line.

They're obviously one, n'est-ce pas?



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From: keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: More forgeries/mailbomings from alt.net: Re: Surprise, surprise...I've been mailbombed
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On 27 May 1998 03:30:08 GMT, johnnyreb.3@southland.smart.net.YANKEE.GO.HOME
(Lee Jackson Beauregard) wrote:
: Remember when you tried to netcop me at Altopia, K**g*n?  How you whined
: and whined and whined and the honorable Mr. Caputo, like thousands of other 
: sysadmins who had to put up with your whining, told you to fuck off?

now now sonny, just because caputo allowed you to forge doesn't mean that
legitimate isps or their admins would do the same.

why don't you name some, say a half-dozen, of those "thousands of other
sysadmins?"

you needn't respond if you were just lying again. perhaps you'd be better
off if you just forged some more??
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From: webguide <webguide@javanet.com>
Subject: For WEBGUIDE
Date: 1998/06/20
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From: sesc@rogers.wave.ca (Sammy Escape)
Newsgroup: milw.general, soc.men
Subject: Re: For WEBGUIDE
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In article <1998061913080000.JAA29135@ladder03.news.aol.com>, 
pangk@aol.com says...
> x-no-archive: yes
> 
> >From: thedidaskalos@TAKEMEOUTTOTHEBALLGAMEhotmail.com (*The* Didaskalos)
> >Newsgroups: milw.general
> 
> >
> >Remember the command of St. Clyde.
> >
> >"A Giersbach pervert must learn in silence and be completely submissive. I do
> not permit a Giersbach to act as human or in any way to have authority over a
> shit; he must be quiet."
> >     --St. Clyde instructing his colon:11f.
> >"All they that take the bible shall perish by the bible."And the mentally lame
> shall post as GEEKS.
> 
> 

Al is the Official Secretary for the Coalition of Stooges. Whenever
Stacy 
is away from her pc, ie., javanet temporary suspension, in-house 
treatment at the loonie bin, she asks Al to record all posts for her by 
replying to them, while writing nothing. This way they are recorded for 
Stacy, who we all know has flunked the Internet for Extreme Dummies 
course, and can think of no other way to view these articles.

-- (silly tagline snipped)


I do not belong to nor participate in any type of "coalition".  I have
never been temporarily or otherwise suspended from Javanet.  I have
never asked Al to record nor reply to any post on my behalf.  (Michael
is lying again.)

Stacy Alexander

<>><><><><><><><><<><><><>><><<>><><><><><><><><><><><<><>



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In article <6mg0fq$mg8@pdrn.zippo.com>, webguide@javanet.com says...
> In article <MPG.ff4d8d7d4b478be989a3f@news.lndn1.on.wave.home.com>,
> sesc@rogers.wave.ca says...
> >
> >In article <1998061913080000.JAA29135@ladder03.news.aol.com>, 
> >pangk@aol.com says...
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >> 
> >> >From: thedidaskalos@TAKEMEOUTTOTHEBALLGAMEhotmail.com (*The* Didaskalos)
> >> >Newsgroups: milw.general
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >Remember the command of St. Clyde.
> >> >
> >>>"A Giersbach pervert must learn in silence and be completely submissive. I do
> >> not permit a Giersbach to act as human or in any way to have authority over a
> >> shit; he must be quiet."
> >> >     --St. Clyde instructing his colon:11f.
> >>>"All they that take the bible shall perish by the bible."And the mentally lame
> >> shall post as GEEKS.
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >Al is the Official Secretary for the Coalition of Stooges. Whenever Stacy 
> >is away from her pc, ie., javanet temporary suspension, in-house 
> >treatment at the loonie bin, she asks Al to record all posts for her by 
> >replying to them, while writing nothing. This way they are recorded for 
> >Stacy, who we all know has flunked the Internet for Extreme Dummies 
> >course, and can think of no other way to view these articles.
> 
> 
> I do not belong to any coalition.  I have never been suspended by my ISP.  I
> have never asked Al to record, nor reply to a post.  You, MIahcel, are a
> pathelogical flamer and a liar.

Once again, with your proven track record and history on the net, we all 
now know that I am not a pathological flamer, nor am I a liar.

Have you harassed my ISP yet today with you 25+ form letters of 
complaint? Have you had you pal David Moore do the same? Have you used an 
anon remailer yet today to harass anyone?

> 
> Stacy Alexander
Stacy, the legnedary misandrist (formerly stertourssa@earthlink.net)

> )&*)&**)&()*)&*(&)*(**)&(*&)(*(&*)(&*)(&*)&(*&)(*&*)(*)&(**)&(*)&(*)&(*)&()*&(
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >=========================================================================
> >"The feminist obsession with rape as a symbol of male-female relations is
> >irrational and delusional. From the perspective of the future, this 
> >period in America will look like a reign of mass psychosis, like that of 
> >the Salem witch trials," ...Camille Paglia, Vamps & Tramps
> 
> ------------------
> This public news site made possible by
> the folks at http://extra.newsguy.com
> 

-- 
=========================================================================
"The feminist obsession with rape as a symbol of male-female relations is
irrational and delusional. From the perspective of the future, this 
period in America will look like a reign of mass psychosis, like that of 
the Salem witch trials," ...Camille Paglia, Vamps & Tramps



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From: no.email@anywhere.org (Hans Guttmacher)
Subject: Danny Hufnal Funny (long)
Date: 1998/06/29
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After one of our clients' server was hit with a combination
MMF/Pyramid + "Email Marketing" spam from Dan Hufnal's "AXXS.NET"
alias, he complained to WISCNET.NET, which along with BBNPLANET.COM
handles Huffy routing.  He included a list of hosts routed in turn by
DH.  And he blind-copied Dan's personal addresses on the complaint.
When he got the appended reply, he showed it to me, and I have been
cackling since.

Posted here with my customer's permission, though with his address
removed for fear of harvesters.

Even if you get no chuckle from Danny Hufnal's protestations which
follow, you should still be able to make use of this here posting as a
source for whitelist filters, etc.

Enjoy.


Received: from hal ( id OAA27576;
	        Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980629143727.009c0e70@escapeweb.net>
X-Sender: dan@escapeweb.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:37:27 -0400
From: "postmaster@deaa.org" <postmaster@deaa.org>
Subject: Re: More On DHUFNAL abuse -- Huff, HOST4U/WISCNET attack
  upon/via uunet
Cc: Fraud & Security Response Desk <fraud@uu.net>,
        Federal Trade Commission Internet Abuse Reports <uce@ftc.gov>,
        legal@deaa.org, media@deaa.org, abuse@juno.com, abuse@NAP.NET,
        Paul Schumacher <paul@wiscnet.net>
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.SUN.3.95.980629101940.3291C-200000@sunspot.tiac.net>
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X-Status: 

Well , first I have no idea who you are since , Like most criminals
and terrorists, you wish to live in the darkness. 

Second:

You seem to have such a personal issue with me , I assume because I am
leading the charge for legitimacy in the Direct Email industry.

Unlike you and the other 15 or 20 of those that fear commercialism on
the internet, I am very open , about my beliefs and in fact have
worked very hard to establish a standard by which all netizens could
co-exist peacefully , business is able to advertise with
responsibility and netizens are able to identify where a particular
email came from and easily cease from receiving from that person again
etc etc etc....

I have been even more open as to where and how I do business , which
my upstream providers can attest to the fact I do it responsibly ,
honestly and above board.

But it seems the very few of you that simply can not stand for harmony
between business and consumer on the internet [ for whatever reason] ,
seem to see my name on every single piece of mail that you do not
like.

You are completely wrong , but more then wrong you are abusive , and
for what reason? 

The netblocks you have quoted HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
MYSELF OR ANY OF MY BUSINESS EITHER PARENT COMPANY OF ONLINEBIZ
INTERNET BUSINESS RESOURCES , OR ANY OF THE SUBSIDIARIES WE HAVE .

save 207.242.124.15 which at one time was a server I had colocated
with a friend of mine in texas and no longer exists.

The other ip blocks you mentioned have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
MYSELF , MY BUSINESSES , MY PARTNERS , INVESTORS , CLIENTS ACTIVELY
BEING PROVIDED SERVICES BY ANY OF MY COMPANIES. 

You have once again attempted to slander me , and for no apparent
reason.

This email is now being send in its entirety to my lawyers who will
look at where to proceed now to cause you the most damage as it
appears that was your intention with this flinging of fecal matter in
my direction !!!!

SHOW YOURSELF creature of the sewer!! Tell us your name, address and
phone number. I will gladly give you mine which is and has always been
clearly for all to see.  

I will gladly  and openly , as I always have , stand up and take
responsibility for my customers actions , my friends actions , my
partners actions 

BUT I REFUSE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING I HAVE NOTHING TO DO
WITH .

Either you are completely ignorant and cannot look up information
about whose netblock is whose, to see that 209.150.128.* and
209.150.129.*   is a block I have never seen or had anything to do
with .

Or 

You are simply so bitter that businesses and netizens can and will be
able to coexist on our internet without your terroristic attacks on
businesses, their upstream providers, their CHILDREN, their wives and
anyone or anything else that gets in your way. 

In fact you and your 15 or 20 cohorts are the ones that need to be
dealt with by the ftc and I see that coming soon as well.

uu.net , nap net

If you would like to go over this I myself and my network
administrators would be happy to assist you in finding the person
responsible for any irresponsible emailing . The DEAA is committed to
such in the interest of all business and individuals on the internet ,
and our upstream providers for our various networks at this time can
vouch for the way in which we conduct ourselves.

Regards,
Dan Hufnal
President
DEAA 
OnlineBiz Internet Business Resources 

>Hello,
>
>It's become our personal goal that Danny Hufnal be required either to
>cease attacking the public networks now and for all time, or to walk the
>Earth in search of a new and different provider for the DNS Routing,
>Hosting, SMTP and Connectivity privileges currently extended him primarily
>via the 209.150.128.* and 209.150.129.* netblocks (among others at times,
>e.g., 207.243.124.* from GTE). 
>
>To that end, we will initiate blocking of those addreses, and of any mail
>routed from and through them.  Whitelist below.  And we will be available
>to participate in any pending or forthcoming actions to be certain that
>Mr. Hufnal will have no choice but to become a contributing member of
>Society. 
>
>In accordance with what must certainly be reasonable and enforceable
>Acceptable Use policies and Terms Of Service at WISCNET, we ask that their
>facilities be denied to AXXS.NET immediately.  Alternatively, we will
>request action by NAP, against WISCNET for their continued support of
>Mr. Hufnal's attacks upon global networks, though we fully expect and
>appreciate their cooperation.
>
>WE ENCOURAGE UUNET & OTHERS TO PREVENT RELAYING THROUGH YOUR SERVER, OF
>THIS TRAFFIC.
>
>Relevant addresses to block may also include any of the hosts listed
>beneath the huge "spam" which follows, and for which spoof/routing is
>performed at HOST4U/AXXS.NET (--> WISCNET.NET --> NAP.NET).
>
>-- begin hufspam (huge) --
>
>Received:  [our server info snipped for purpose of this post]; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
>From: howardwesley13@juno.com
>Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by
[our server info snipped for purpose of this post];
Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
>Received: from heeckyeah.com (1Cust83.tnt1.por2.da.uu.net [153.34.14.83])
>	by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04429;
>	Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-Id: <199806291301.GAA04429@mail1.eni.net>
>To: howardwesley13@juno.com
>Subject: Did I get the right email address?
>
>                  
>           "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"............Not a problem!
>
>I am about to share with you a unique opportunity to start a very successful 
>business or take an existing one to new heights.  By taking advantage of the 
>following breakthrough knowledge in marketing trends, you will soon discover 
>the art of . . . 
>
>"How to Really Make Money on the Information Superhighway!"
>
>Some of you may already be marketing a product online. Maybe you are even 
>making a sizeable profit! Whatever the case may be, no matter how successful 
>you are right now, my guess is that your bank account is still not
overflowing 
>and MORE MONEY with LESS WORK peaks your interest.
>
>FACT 1 :  ANYONE WHO HAS THE DRIVE TO SUCCEED CAN ACTUALLY MAKE 
>A SIZABLE PROFIT ON THE INTERNET.
>
>FACT 2 :  FEW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY DO IT.
>
>FACT 3: THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!
>
>Seriously friends...Why would people want to pass up an extremely valuable 
>money making opportunity?
>
>
><about 50kb snipped>
>
>
>THE MARKET IS HERE - TODAY!   TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!!!!!
>After you receive your report, I'll answer any questions time permits 
>via email.  I'm looking forward to helping you succeed!
>
>
>
>
>
>-- end hufspam --
>
>
>Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)
>29/6/98
>
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>*axxs.net
>*bubis.com
>*cad-tech.com
>*combase.com
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>*speedweb.net
>*spectronet.net
>
>
>eyejam.com.au
>bluesfest.com.au
>kat.com.au
>thesoftwarecottage.com.au
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>artanil.com.br
>firstweb.com.br
>intech.com.br
>mundo-encantado.com.br
>nassif.com.br
>revistapsicologia.com.br
>santateresa.com.br
>superutil.com.br
>tecval.ind.br
>thm.com.br
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>roedl.de
>nicolas.tm.fr
>sivan.fr
>kondo.ne.jp
>mediacom.ne.jp
>aatax.nl
>am-impact.nl
>bouwadvies.nl
>factsoft.nl
>hansgiesen.nl
>kmg.nl
>landvandetsaren.nl
>marcopolo.nl
>mediaconsult.nl
>vixicom.nl
>fastweb.fastweb.nu
>rcis.co.za
>
>
>1stautoresponders.com
>1ststar.com
>matsukura.7777.net
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>axxs.net
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>biekellahouse.com
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>biz-promo.com
>bluesco-op.com
>bodyplanet.com
>bouncemusic.com
>buttonhouse.com
>cabinets-plus.com
>cadcampro.com
>callcentre.net
>ns2.capella-systems.com
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>carsonlaser.com
>cartoonexpress.com
>cc-catering.com
>celine-dion.net
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>ccle.com
>ccwpd.com
>cheaphost.com
>ciquitrillador.com
>club-hopper.com
>colonius.net
>hayatokun.cloverclub.com
>csites2000.com
>cvue.com
>dc-adnet.com
>dangelosziebart.com
>debtbusters.net
>design-write-graphics.com
>difitaldeli.net
>digital3.net
>direct-hit.com
>djneeya.com
>drama-lighting.com
>dramatix.com
>dvrinfor.com
>e-commerce-net.com
>edcwc.com
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>electrotechniek.com
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From: devnull@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply)
Subject: Re: Danny Hufnal Funny (long)
Date: 1998/06/29
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On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:44:12 GMT, no.email@anywhere.org (Hans Guttmacher) wrote:

>After one of our clients' server was hit with a combination
>MMF/Pyramid + "Email Marketing" spam from Dan Hufnal's "AXXS.NET"
>alias, he complained to WISCNET.NET, which along with BBNPLANET.COM
>handles Huffy routing.  He included a list of hosts routed in turn by
>DH.  And he blind-copied Dan's personal addresses on the complaint.
>When he got the appended reply, he showed it to me, and I have been
>cackling since.
>
>Posted here with my customer's permission, though with his address
>removed for fear of harvesters.
>
>Even if you get no chuckle from Danny Hufnal's protestations which
>follow, you should still be able to make use of this here posting as a
>source for whitelist filters, etc.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>
>Received: from hal ( id OAA27576;
>	        Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT)
>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980629143727.009c0e70@escapeweb.net>
>X-Sender: dan@escapeweb.net
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:37:27 -0400
>From: "postmaster@deaa.org" <postmaster@deaa.org>
>Subject: Re: More On DHUFNAL abuse -- Huff, HOST4U/WISCNET attack
>  upon/via uunet
>Cc: Fraud & Security Response Desk <fraud@uu.net>,
>        Federal Trade Commission Internet Abuse Reports <uce@ftc.gov>,
>        legal@deaa.org, media@deaa.org, abuse@juno.com, abuse@NAP.NET,
>        Paul Schumacher <paul@wiscnet.net>
>In-Reply-To:
><Pine.SUN.3.95.980629101940.3291C-200000@sunspot.tiac.net>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Status: RO
>X-Status: 
>
>Well , first I have no idea who you are since , Like most criminals
>and terrorists, you wish to live in the darkness. 
>
>Second:
>
>You seem to have such a personal issue with me , I assume because I am
>leading the charge for legitimacy in the Direct Email industry.
>
>Unlike you and the other 15 or 20 of those that fear commercialism on
>the internet, I am very open , about my beliefs and in fact have
>worked very hard to establish a standard by which all netizens could
>co-exist peacefully , business is able to advertise with
>responsibility and netizens are able to identify where a particular
>email came from and easily cease from receiving from that person again
>etc etc etc....
>
>I have been even more open as to where and how I do business , which
>my upstream providers can attest to the fact I do it responsibly ,
>honestly and above board.
>
>But it seems the very few of you that simply can not stand for harmony
>between business and consumer on the internet [ for whatever reason] ,
>seem to see my name on every single piece of mail that you do not
>like.
>
>You are completely wrong , but more then wrong you are abusive , and
>for what reason? 
>
>The netblocks you have quoted HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
>MYSELF OR ANY OF MY BUSINESS EITHER PARENT COMPANY OF ONLINEBIZ
>INTERNET BUSINESS RESOURCES , OR ANY OF THE SUBSIDIARIES WE HAVE .
>
>save 207.242.124.15 which at one time was a server I had colocated
>with a friend of mine in texas and no longer exists.
>
>The other ip blocks you mentioned have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
>MYSELF , MY BUSINESSES , MY PARTNERS , INVESTORS , CLIENTS ACTIVELY
>BEING PROVIDED SERVICES BY ANY OF MY COMPANIES. 
>
>You have once again attempted to slander me , and for no apparent
>reason.             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

Remember that line, kiddies.


>This email is now being send in its entirety to my lawyers who will
>look at where to proceed now to cause you the most damage as it
>appears that was your intention with this flinging of fecal matter in
>my direction !!!!
>
>SHOW YOURSELF creature of the sewer!! Tell us your name, address and
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What was that you were saying about "slander", Dannie?

[long winding Rhodes of huff-n-puff'n sent to the waste treatment plant]


-- 
   Calling spam "free speech" is like calling rape "unsolicited love" (me)
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From: fetilley@west.raytheon.cyberbromo.com (Felix Tilley)
Subject: Re: Danny Hufnal Funny (long)
Date: 1998/06/29
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In article <3599058c.65549993@news.tiac.net>, no.email@anywhere.org (Hans
Guttmacher) wrote:



> >Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)

 > >*actionweb.com
 > >*axxs.net
 > >*bubis.com
 > >*cad-tech.com
 > >*combase.com
 > >*deaa.org

At one time Combase.com was deaa.org's upstream.  I don't think Hufnal
really owned it.  So far as I know, Combase no longer hosts deaa.org.

----
remove reference to cyberbromo for email reply



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From: "George of the Jungle" <antispam@nospam.forme.edu>
Subject: Re: Danny Hufnal Funny (long)
Date: 1998/06/29
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Damn!

When am I going to learn to never, ever read a Hufnal missive when eating
ice cream.  Not only a "ice cream headache", but I damn near choked on it,
too!

Well, you *did* give fair notice.

"leading the charge for legitimacy in the Direct Email industry"...?

This is the same guy who once responded to my complaint about his spamming
me with:

"You have been identified as an anti freedom, anti-commercialist enemy of
the free market economy. In times when these types of enemies of our system
of free enterprise is under attack, You and your cohorts will be sought out
to answer for your crimes against a free society!"

and on the same message.

"Your email address, Name, address, phone number , domain name, and
everything that freedom-lovers the world over, can dig up on you, will be
displayed for all to see on this great medium We created, called the world
wide web if you do not change your selfish anti-liberty ways"

and

"This is not a threat but a solemn promise from the businesses of the world
and most importantly these United States Of America!!!!!!!"

"Prepare to be identified for the world to see you as the freedom-hating
socialist you are!!!"

And he's complaining about slander?  He's threatening to sue you?

I think Dan is in serious need of help.



Hans Guttmacher wrote in message <3599058c.65549993@news.tiac.net>...
>After one of our clients' server was hit with a combination
>MMF/Pyramid + "Email Marketing" spam from Dan Hufnal's "AXXS.NET"
>alias, he complained to WISCNET.NET, which along with BBNPLANET.COM
>handles Huffy routing.  He included a list of hosts routed in turn by
>DH.  And he blind-copied Dan's personal addresses on the complaint.
>When he got the appended reply, he showed it to me, and I have been
>cackling since.
>
>Posted here with my customer's permission, though with his address
>removed for fear of harvesters.
>
>Even if you get no chuckle from Danny Hufnal's protestations which
>follow, you should still be able to make use of this here posting as a
>source for whitelist filters, etc.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>
>Received: from hal ( id OAA27576;
>         Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT)
>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980629143727.009c0e70@escapeweb.net>
>X-Sender: dan@escapeweb.net
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:37:27 -0400
>From: "postmaster@deaa.org" <postmaster@deaa.org>
>Subject: Re: More On DHUFNAL abuse -- Huff, HOST4U/WISCNET attack
>  upon/via uunet
>Cc: Fraud & Security Response Desk <fraud@uu.net>,
>        Federal Trade Commission Internet Abuse Reports <uce@ftc.gov>,
>        legal@deaa.org, media@deaa.org, abuse@juno.com, abuse@NAP.NET,
>        Paul Schumacher <paul@wiscnet.net>
>In-Reply-To:
><Pine.SUN.3.95.980629101940.3291C-200000@sunspot.tiac.net>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Status: RO
>X-Status:
>
>Well , first I have no idea who you are since , Like most criminals
>and terrorists, you wish to live in the darkness.
>
>Second:
>
>You seem to have such a personal issue with me , I assume because I am
>leading the charge for legitimacy in the Direct Email industry.
>
>Unlike you and the other 15 or 20 of those that fear commercialism on
>the internet, I am very open , about my beliefs and in fact have
>worked very hard to establish a standard by which all netizens could
>co-exist peacefully , business is able to advertise with
>responsibility and netizens are able to identify where a particular
>email came from and easily cease from receiving from that person again
>etc etc etc....
>
>I have been even more open as to where and how I do business , which
>my upstream providers can attest to the fact I do it responsibly ,
>honestly and above board.
>
>But it seems the very few of you that simply can not stand for harmony
>between business and consumer on the internet [ for whatever reason] ,
>seem to see my name on every single piece of mail that you do not
>like.
>
>You are completely wrong , but more then wrong you are abusive , and
>for what reason?
>
>The netblocks you have quoted HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
>MYSELF OR ANY OF MY BUSINESS EITHER PARENT COMPANY OF ONLINEBIZ
>INTERNET BUSINESS RESOURCES , OR ANY OF THE SUBSIDIARIES WE HAVE .
>
>save 207.242.124.15 which at one time was a server I had colocated
>with a friend of mine in texas and no longer exists.
>
>The other ip blocks you mentioned have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH
>MYSELF , MY BUSINESSES , MY PARTNERS , INVESTORS , CLIENTS ACTIVELY
>BEING PROVIDED SERVICES BY ANY OF MY COMPANIES.
>
>You have once again attempted to slander me , and for no apparent
>reason.
>
>This email is now being send in its entirety to my lawyers who will
>look at where to proceed now to cause you the most damage as it
>appears that was your intention with this flinging of fecal matter in
>my direction !!!!
>
>SHOW YOURSELF creature of the sewer!! Tell us your name, address and
>phone number. I will gladly give you mine which is and has always been
>clearly for all to see.
>
>I will gladly  and openly , as I always have , stand up and take
>responsibility for my customers actions , my friends actions , my
>partners actions
>
>BUT I REFUSE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING I HAVE NOTHING TO DO
>WITH .
>
>Either you are completely ignorant and cannot look up information
>about whose netblock is whose, to see that 209.150.128.* and
>209.150.129.*   is a block I have never seen or had anything to do
>with .
>
>Or
>
>You are simply so bitter that businesses and netizens can and will be
>able to coexist on our internet without your terroristic attacks on
>businesses, their upstream providers, their CHILDREN, their wives and
>anyone or anything else that gets in your way.
>
>In fact you and your 15 or 20 cohorts are the ones that need to be
>dealt with by the ftc and I see that coming soon as well.
>
>uu.net , nap net
>
>If you would like to go over this I myself and my network
>administrators would be happy to assist you in finding the person
>responsible for any irresponsible emailing . The DEAA is committed to
>such in the interest of all business and individuals on the internet ,
>and our upstream providers for our various networks at this time can
>vouch for the way in which we conduct ourselves.
>
>Regards,
>Dan Hufnal
>President
>DEAA
>OnlineBiz Internet Business Resources
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>It's become our personal goal that Danny Hufnal be required either to
>>cease attacking the public networks now and for all time, or to walk the
>>Earth in search of a new and different provider for the DNS Routing,
>>Hosting, SMTP and Connectivity privileges currently extended him primarily
>>via the 209.150.128.* and 209.150.129.* netblocks (among others at times,
>>e.g., 207.243.124.* from GTE).
>>
>>To that end, we will initiate blocking of those addreses, and of any mail
>>routed from and through them.  Whitelist below.  And we will be available
>>to participate in any pending or forthcoming actions to be certain that
>>Mr. Hufnal will have no choice but to become a contributing member of
>>Society.
>>
>>In accordance with what must certainly be reasonable and enforceable
>>Acceptable Use policies and Terms Of Service at WISCNET, we ask that their
>>facilities be denied to AXXS.NET immediately.  Alternatively, we will
>>request action by NAP, against WISCNET for their continued support of
>>Mr. Hufnal's attacks upon global networks, though we fully expect and
>>appreciate their cooperation.
>>
>>WE ENCOURAGE UUNET & OTHERS TO PREVENT RELAYING THROUGH YOUR SERVER, OF
>>THIS TRAFFIC.
>>
>>Relevant addresses to block may also include any of the hosts listed
>>beneath the huge "spam" which follows, and for which spoof/routing is
>>performed at HOST4U/AXXS.NET (--> WISCNET.NET --> NAP.NET).
>>
>>-- begin hufspam (huge) --
>>
>>Received:  [our server info snipped for purpose of this post]; Mon, 29 Jun
1998 09:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: howardwesley13@juno.com
>>Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by
>[our server info snipped for purpose of this post];
>Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
>>Received: from heeckyeah.com (1Cust83.tnt1.por2.da.uu.net [153.34.14.83])
>> by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04429;
>> Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
>>Message-Id: <199806291301.GAA04429@mail1.eni.net>
>>To: howardwesley13@juno.com
>>Subject: Did I get the right email address?
>>
>>
>>           "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"............Not a problem!
>>
>>I am about to share with you a unique opportunity to start a very
successful
>>business or take an existing one to new heights.  By taking advantage of
the
>>following breakthrough knowledge in marketing trends, you will soon
discover
>>the art of . . .
>>
>>"How to Really Make Money on the Information Superhighway!"
>>
>>Some of you may already be marketing a product online. Maybe you are even
>>making a sizeable profit! Whatever the case may be, no matter how
successful
>>you are right now, my guess is that your bank account is still not
>overflowing
>>and MORE MONEY with LESS WORK peaks your interest.
>>
>>FACT 1 :  ANYONE WHO HAS THE DRIVE TO SUCCEED CAN ACTUALLY MAKE
>>A SIZABLE PROFIT ON THE INTERNET.
>>
>>FACT 2 :  FEW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY DO IT.
>>
>>FACT 3: THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!
>>
>>Seriously friends...Why would people want to pass up an extremely valuable
>>money making opportunity?
>>
>>
>><about 50kb snipped>
>>
>>
>>THE MARKET IS HERE - TODAY!   TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!!!!!
>>After you receive your report, I'll answer any questions time permits
>>via email.  I'm looking forward to helping you succeed!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- end hufspam --
>>
>>
>>Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)
>>29/6/98
>>
>>*actionweb.com
>>*axxs.net
>>*bubis.com
>>*cad-tech.com
>>*combase.com
>>*deaa.org
>>*escabeweb.net
>>*host4u.net
>>*onlinebiz.net
>>*serverhost.net
>>*sosis.com
>>*speedweb.net
>>*spectronet.net
>>
>>
>>eyejam.com.au
>>bluesfest.com.au
>>kat.com.au
>>thesoftwarecottage.com.au
>>acquacon.com.br
>>artanil.com.br
>>firstweb.com.br
>>intech.com.br
>>mundo-encantado.com.br
>>nassif.com.br
>>revistapsicologia.com.br
>>santateresa.com.br
>>superutil.com.br
>>tecval.ind.br
>>thm.com.br
>>positivo.positivo.ch
>>colortap.de
>>roedl.de
>>nicolas.tm.fr
>>sivan.fr
>>kondo.ne.jp
>>mediacom.ne.jp
>>aatax.nl
>>am-impact.nl
>>bouwadvies.nl
>>factsoft.nl
>>hansgiesen.nl
>>kmg.nl
>>landvandetsaren.nl
>>marcopolo.nl
>>mediaconsult.nl
>>vixicom.nl
>>fastweb.fastweb.nu
>>rcis.co.za
>>
>>
>>1stautoresponders.com
>>1ststar.com
>>matsukura.7777.net
>>abcb.net
>>acehangar.net
>>ade-rj.org
>>advantimage.com
>>advsoft.net
>>ameri-cure.com
>>amschlmilan.org
>>anku.com
>>antifa.com
>>antiqueclocksandtoys.com
>>aofc.com
>>art-pottery.com
>>ausbullion.com
>>autosistance.com
>>axxs.net
>>bannerexpress.com
>>bdbusiness.com
>>begalable.com
>>bessler-marketing.com
>>biekellahouse.com
>>bikers-dream.net
>>biz-promo.com
>>bluesco-op.com
>>bodyplanet.com
>>bouncemusic.com
>>buttonhouse.com
>>cabinets-plus.com
>>cadcampro.com
>>callcentre.net
>>ns2.capella-systems.com
>>carangueijos.com
>>carsonlaser.com
>>cartoonexpress.com
>>cc-catering.com
>>celine-dion.net
>>cidadania.org
>>conwaysfarm.com
>>ccle.com
>>ccwpd.com
>>cheaphost.com
>>ciquitrillador.com
>>club-hopper.com
>>colonius.net
>>hayatokun.cloverclub.com
>>csites2000.com
>>cvue.com
>>dc-adnet.com
>>dangelosziebart.com
>>debtbusters.net
>>design-write-graphics.com
>>difitaldeli.net
>>digital3.net
>>direct-hit.com
>>djneeya.com
>>drama-lighting.com
>>dramatix.com
>>dvrinfor.com
>>e-commerce-net.com
>>edcwc.com
>>eesco.net
>>electrotechniek.com
>>elk-city.com
>>elkcitynet.net
>>vanhalen.email-leads.com
>>emdal.com
>>eurocool.com
>>euroece.com
>>expt.com
>>eyetech-clm.com
>>fast-start-team.com
>>footprints-cbd.com
>>frameitco.com
>>friendlybeaver.com
>>ns.frontpageserver.net
>>geneanet.geneanet.org
>>geoffmitchell.com
>>getntouch.com
>>glashandel.com
>>global-autoparts.com
>>wl.globalsourcing.net
>>goblin-s.com
>>h-w-y.com
>>hawaiianincense.com
>>hearts-home.com
>>hellasmall.com
>>hinescreative.com
>>hirono.com
>>houstonindustries.com
>>how-tobooks.com
>>hubbardsmarina.com
>>hypnos-verlag.com
>>i-finance.com
>>iio.org
>>immigration-laws.com
>>letterindia.com
>>shiva.indiaone.com
>>intellipharmaceutics.com
>>intuitive-data.net
>>jaxgrp.com
>>jgottesman.com
>>ns.jiyu.net
>>jlee.com
>>jobsrx.com
>>jpmintl.com
>>jstarke.com
>>juraihelm.com
>>kartline.com
>>kaznet.com
>>klingerentp.com
>>lacomputersystems.com
>>lasvegasflowers.com
>>lcdpros.com
>>leadblaster.com
>>lindees.com
>>linkbuddies.com
>>liquidationmall.com
>>lyricshq.com
>>magware.com
>>maridan.maridan.com
>>marinonet.com
>>mars.n-i.com
>>megaresource.com
>>merdist.com
>>metaliza.com
>>metrojackson.com
>>microwebtech.com
>>mmrl.com
>>motoring-books.com
>>cozart.moreprofits.com
>>mp6.com
>>mystockcar.com
>>nayaandaz.com
>>nemisys.com
>>net-market.com
>>limbo.newbies.org
>>news-software.com
>>nuovaipsa.com
>>o-i-c.com
>>oleholeh.com
>>oneroad.com
>>online2020.com
>>online-personals.com
>>orchidflorist.com
>>originalmarines.com
>>ourcollege.com
>>oxcart.oxcart.com
>>packerbacker.com
>>palmeida.com
>>paperparadise.com
>>passaroazul.com
>>pastornet.net
>>pccchurch.com
>>pendragontech.com
>>personal-creations.com
>>phd4u.com
>>pircher.net
>>positivejustice.org
>>prokote.com
>>hosted.prometeus.com
>>ns2.propagation.com
>>ns2.propagation.net
>>qualitycomputersales.com
>>quatrophonic.com
>>quikmortgage.com
>>quinte-business.com
>>readyink.com
>>recrapol.com
>>rockchalk.com
>>rosenzu.com
>>ruma-city.com
>>saddlemaker.com
>>hercules.safe-order.net
>>salonweb.com
>>schieten.net
>>searching4u.com
>>searey.com
>>seegersart.com
>>select-creations.com
>>shine-media.com
>>skaide.com
>>skewarch.com
>>skratchpiklz.com
>>smallofficesuccess.com
>>sonicsubmit.com
>>waylon.sosweb.net
>>soundcd.com
>>sporthaus.com
>>spunkyworld.com
>>stainlessunlimited.com
>>stevensmedia.com
>>streamlinegolf.com
>>summitmarketing.com
>>sumscorp.com
>>super-nova.super-nova.net
>>suplay.com
>>susantracy.com
>>swsna.studio-west.com
>>tedscomputerconnection.com
>>tenderkisses.com
>>thaden.com
>>thefunnybone.com
>>the-handy.net
>>theoptionstore.com
>>top-design.net
>>topmanpedagogik.com
>>towntheatre.com
>>triton.webking.com
>>tourservice.com
>>tscapital.com
>>tuspain.com
>>ucallias.com
>>usale-auction.com
>>venusmusic.com
>>vietnet.net
>>virtualcase.com
>>virtualdirectories.com
>>virtualartmuseums.com
>>webmagick.com
>>webmiser.com
>>web-vue.com
>>dkfl.westhost.com
>>westhost.westhost.net
>>whiteseagull.com
>>wnybooks.com
>>worldwide-gifts.com
>>yappo.com
>>yngdar.com
>>yourwaterstore.com
>>yukonmkt.com
>>zenitlaser.com
>>zwer.n
>
>

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From: no.email@anywhere.org (Alan Rice)
Subject: Filter Lists for Hufnal Hosts and Blocks
Date: 1998/07/02
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Below are a few of the network address blocks recently utilized by
Danny Hufnal in furtherance of his various attacks.

In addition to helping everyone sort out to whom they should direct
their complaints, this list should serve well for anyone utilizing
procmail or other filtering software which looks at (real and forged)
"Received:" headers on incoming mail.  A vast quantity of "spam"
should be thus purged or redirected, with negligible chance of
users missing any "real" email.

Any Hufnal attack *not* stopped by filtering these netblocks will
likely provide an opportunity to notify originating sites (whether
it's a trial dialup account from hotmail/juno/yahoo and other "free
email" sites, or some entirely other victim of DH's SMTP trespasses),
and thereby add their voices to the calls for NAP.NET, GTE, GOODNET &
UUNET to "assist" Mr. Hufnal in turning to legitimate employment.


(The majority of these hosts are routed by NAP.NET via axxs.net.  At
this writing, that entity is making use of dangerous, badly mis-
configured multihoming.  IP addressing is being spoofed, reassigned
between different network providers, and - unless those providers are
all aware of, and willing for this to be happening - outright theft
of those providers' resources.  Most of this transitioning is taking
place between BBNPLANET.COM & NAP.NET address space, and quite
possibly represents a violation of both companies' Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policies.)

NOTE:  Clearly, Danny neither owns nor controls absolutely all of
these hosts.  Most of them, yes.  Several however are operated by
(an)other network-abuser(s) who at one time or another has
collaborated with him on IP spoofing by reassignment of DNS tables.

I hope that this format is readable and useful.  Comments, criticisms,
suggestions should be followed-up in this thread here on Usenet in
order for me to find them.


IP ADDR BLOCK		NET SVC PROV	HUFNAL SERVICE-CONTRACT ALIAS

139.142.69		[SFL.NET]	(baremetal.com/comevisit.com)
					(forwarding "service")

207.112.240		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net)
					"HOST4U"'s firewall
			
207.204.174		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.204.208		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.226.161	(?)	[SPRINTLINK]	(honza.com)
					(This is a spam site, although
					not *directly* involved w/
					Dan)
207.243.124		[BBNPLANET.COM]	(sosis.com)
209.54.54		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net) a/k/a "HOST4U.NET"
209.100.54		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.59		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.140.94		[GOOD.NET]	(biznessweb.net)
209.150.128		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.129		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.135		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.153		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.198.26		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.218.24		[@HOME.NET]	(midatlantic-isp.net)
209.224.144		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net]



Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)
30/6/98 follows.


(Non COM/NET/ORG top-level domains used by Hufnal for host spoofing)

eyejam.com.au
bluesfest.com.au
kat.com.au
thesoftwarecottage.com.au
acquacon.com.br
artanil.com.br
firstweb.com.br
intech.com.br
mundo-encantado.com.br
nassif.com.br
revistapsicologia.com.br
santateresa.com.br
superutil.com.br
tecval.ind.br
thm.com.br
positivo.positivo.ch
vr.cl
colortap.de
roedl.de
itdt.edu
dclic.fr
ints.fr
nicolas.tm.fr
platine.fr
sivan.fr
kondo.ne.jp
ns1.kondo.ne.jp
mediacom.ne.jp
aatax.nl
am-impact.nl
bouwadvies.nl
factsoft.nl
hansgiesen.nl
keyboardsound.nl
kmg.nl
landvandetsaren.nl
marcopolo.nl
mediaconsult.nl
relaxedweb.nl
vixicom.nl
fastweb.fastweb.nu
cyberzeal.co.nz
industrilackeringar-hbg.se
jiepeers.se
nlb-scand.se
superval.gob.sv
rcis.co.za



(Other host-table entries, representing the majority of machine-names
used for spoofing by Hufnal.  WHOIS/NIC info on these is useless, and
all names are subject to change at any moment.)


1stautoresponders.com
1ststar.com
2von.com
4arjay.com
4factory.com
matsukura.7777.net
7wan.com
abcb.net
acehangar.net
acclimatedsounds.com
actionweb.com
aw3.actionweb.com
actionweb.net
adhesiveworld.com
www.ae-x.com
affirmed.com
argo-navis.com
ade-rj.org
advantimage.com
advsoft.net
alphacons.com
ameri-cure.com
americanfruitbasket.com
amfedcoins.com
amigaware.com
amschlmilan.org
anku.com
antifa.com
antiqueclocksandtoys.com
antiquepaper.com
aofc.com
apadana.com
arimaboats.com
art-pottery.com
artisticglassusa.com
artistkofton.com
www.asian-paradise.com
www.asianpornos.com
www.asiantribute.com
astrologimedia.com
ausbullion.com
autosistance.com
awebsite.com
axxs.net
www.axxs.net
bannerexpress.com
bdbusiness.com
beauty-fashion.com
begalable.com
bessler-marketing.com
www.bestasian.com
bestcruise.com
biekellahouse.com
bikers-dream.net
biz-promo.com
biznessweb.com
biznessweb.net
www.biznessweb.net
bjain.com
bluesco-op.com
bobcatsys.com
bodyplanet.com
bocnet.com
bouncemusic.com
bpmarket.com
bridgeintegrated.com
bubis.com
buttonhouse.com
bytebybyte.com
c21towncountry.com
cabinets-plus.com
cableparts.com
cadcampro.com
cad-tech.com
callcentre.net
canines.com
ns1.capella-systems.com
ns2.capella-systems.com
capella.net
carangueijos.com
carioca.com
carsonlaser.com
cartoonexpress.com
catacombstudios.com
cc-catering.com
ccmt.com
ccwpd.com
celine-dion.net
chapel1.com
tyler.charlottenet.net
charm-cafe.com
cidadania.org
conwaysfarm.com
ccle.com


charnet.net
ns.charnet.net
ns1.charnet.net
chicago-title.com
cheaphost.com
childsgarden.com
ciquitrillador.com
hayatokun.cloverclub.com
club-hopper.com
clubgoldmine.com
coinclub.com
colonius.net
coloradohomeopathy.org
fusion.combase.com
ns.combase.com
www.combase.com
comevisit.com	(mail-forwarding "service" used at least once by DH)
con10ts.com
connect50plus.com
constell.com
consultorium.com
consumerwatchdog.org
cornerm.com
criehaven.org
csites2000.com
csscom.net
cvue.com
cyberauthors.com
cyberessentials.com
cybergulf.net
ns.cybergulf.net
xs.cybergulf.net
cybersoul-coconet-j.com
cyberworksintl.com
d3po.com
daisuki.com
datsuns.com
dc-adnet.com
dangelosziebart.com
dannysoft.com
dbs-online.com
dclic.com
deaa.org
debtbusters.net
december.com
delmarinn.com
design-write-graphics.com
dgl.com
dianna.com
difitaldeli.net
digital3.net
dimann.com
direct-hit.com
divmark.com
djneeya.com
doteam.com
drama-lighting.com
dramatix.com
dssdirectv.com
dvrinfor.com
dxers.net
e-commerce-net.com
easyas123.net
edcwc.com
eesco.net
ehc.net
elan-vital.com
electrotechniek.com
elk-city.com
elkcitynet.net
www.erotic-playground.com
vanhalen.email-leads.com
emailhost.com
emailonline.com
emdal.com
enchantress.net
encorewire.com
erci.com
www.eroticpleasure.com
escapeweb.net
nirvana.escapeweb.net	(speedweb.net)
eurocool.com
euroece.com
expt.com
www.eyebait.com
eyeshomg.com
eyetech-clm.com
eyetechoptical.com
ezdate.com
www.fantasyjapan.com
www.fantasyparadise.com
farm-home.com
farthest.com
fast-start-team.com
fastdns.net	[same as gaia.host4u.net (axxs.net)]
ffexpress.com
fidentia.com
fieldsmith.com
findnj.com
flashflood.com
flashweb.com
fleetman.com
folklegacy.com
footprints-cbd.com
fortuneworks.com
fossilx.com
frameitco.com
altair.freeadult.com
friendlybeaver.com
frontpageserver.net
ns.frontpageserver.net
frontpagetest.com
game-over.net
ganssle.com
garoses.com
gcssepm.org
geneanet.geneanet.org
geoffmitchell.com
geoint.com
getfree.com
getntouch.com
glashandel.com
global-autoparts.com
wl.globalsourcing.net
gluguru.com
go-native.com
goblin-s.com
gourmetgarden.com
graceweb.org
guest-house.com
gulfstream-realty.com
h-w-y.com
hawaiianincense.com
hearts-home.com
hellasmall.com
www.hentaicentral.com
hinescreative.com
hirono.com
historybuff.com
hkgamer.com
homedecorator.com
ares.host4u.net
atlas.host4u.net
gaia.host4u.net
heras.host4u.net
hercules.host4u.net
hermes.host4u.net
ns.host4u.net
ns2.host4u.net
hotmeltcity.com
hourhomes.com
houstonindustries.com
how-tobooks.com
htwcorp.com
hubbardsmarina.com
hughesind.com
hwcreations.com
hypnos-verlag.com
i-finance.com
iio.org
immigration-laws.com
inetlab.com
infounderground.com
shiva.indiaone.com
iifs.com
intellipharmaceutics.com
interbar.com
interroute.com
intonation.com
intuitive-data.net
isn-cyberservices.com
itrain.org
jack-pot.com
www.jacs-links.com
www.jacs-place.com
jaxgrp.com
jazzpro.com
jgottesman.com
jimedia.com
ns.jiyu.net
jlee.com
joblink-usa.com
jobsrx.com
joinmd.com
shopmd.joinmd.com
jpmintl.com
jstarke.com
juraihelm.com
k-press.com
kl972.net
kartline.com
kaznet.com
kidsdentist.com
kinfonetics.com
klingerentp.com
labec.com
lacomputersystems.com
lasvegasflowers.com
lcdpros.com
leadblaster.com
leavesandroots.com
letsmakemoney.com
letterindia.com
lexiconn.com
libertyenterprises.com
lindees.com
linkbuddies.com
liquidationmall.com
lisfoundation.org
locknetics.com
lsdlaser.com
lubbert.com
lyricshq.com
magicks.net
magware.com
managersguide.com
manningcompany.com
maridan.maridan.com
marinonet.com
markscardslv.com
mars.n-i.com
marzee.com
masaki.com
www.max-xxx.com
maxbyte.com
mbvv.com
mcasa.org
megaresource.com
merdist.com
mesaperformance.com
metaliza.com
metrojackson.com
microwebtech.com
ns1.midatlantic-isp.net
ns2.midatlantic-isp.net
miragelasers.com
mmrl.com
morones.com
motoring-books.com
cozart.moreprofits.com
mp6.com
mpus.com
mscan.com
mtdesert.com
music-biz.com
mvgc.org
mysticmirror.com
mystockcar.com
nationalweddings.com
nayaandaz.com
ncrkba.org
neglect.com
nemisys.com
net-market.com
net-plan.com
neurologist.com
limbo.newbies.org
newerastrategies.com
news-software.com
newtool.com
nflfans.com
northshoremalls.com
ns.jlee.com
nuovaipsa.com
o-i-c.com
oleholeh.com
ww2.olma.net
ompusa.com
oneroad.com
online2020.com
online-personals.com
onlinebiz.com	(HOST4U/AXXS/NAP.NET)
onlinebiz.net	(SOSIS/BBNPLANET.COM)
ns.onlinebiz.net	"
www.only-teens.com
operasoftware.com
opti-mystics.org
orchidflorist.com
originalmarines.com
ostfeed.com
ourcollege.com
oxcart.oxcart.com
packerbacker.com
palmeida.com
pamelanelson.com
paperparadise.com
passaroazul.com
pastornet.net
patechno.com
pccchurch.com
pclimited.com
pctouch.com
peaks.net
pendragontech.com
personal-creations.com
phd4u.com
phone-cash.com
pircher.net
pittsburgh-net.com
planet-pittsburgh.com
www.pleasurepix.com
positivejustice.org
premier-virtual.com
premierdecorativeglass.com
prismair.com
printf.com
prokote.com
prolinksoftware.com
hosted.prometeus.com
ns.propagation.com
ns2.propagation.com
ns2.propagation.net
qfs-rrr.com
qualitycomputersales.com
www.qualityhardcore.com
quatrophonic.com
quest-llc.com
quikmortgage.com
quinte-business.com
r2forge.com
rabartlett.com
rappahannock-web.com
rday.com
readyink.com
realwareinc.com
recrapol.com
www.repulsive.com
resite.org
rockchalk.com
rocksoff.com
rocksoff.net
kiss.rocksoff.net
rogersneurosurgery.com
rosenzu.com
rotary5320.org
ruma-city.com
rwnetwork.com
saddlemaker.com
hercules.safe-order.net
salonweb.com
satphone.net
savemylife.com
sbsbinc.com
schieten.net
sealoft.com
seaone.com
searching4u.com
search-ndr.com
searey.com
seegersart.com
select-creations.com
sepia-rock.com
serverhost.net
ns.serverhost.net
ns2.serverhost.net
serialhomicide.com
shine-media.com
shs-computer.com
shoppingnavi.com
sidewave.com
sidewave.com.com
simpleas123.com
skaide.com
skewarch.com
skratchpiklz.com
smallofficesuccess.com
smallshop.com
snnet.com
solarindustrial.com
sonicsubmit.com
ns.sosis.com
ns2.sosis.com
waylon.sosweb.net
soundaround.com
soundcd.com
spectronet.net
speedweb.net
spica-it.com
sporthaus.com
spunkyworld.com
stagg11.com
stainlessunlimited.com
stalz.com
stevensmedia.com
streamlinegolf.com
summitmarketing.com
sumscorp.com
super-nova.super-nova.net
allman.supercart.net
suplay.com
surecure.com
suruga.net
susantracy.com
svante.com
swsna.studio-west.com
talons.com
tandm.com
tasktrak.com
taylorfx.com
tca-group.com
team2win.com
techmanage.com
technicaldoc.com
teddiebears.com
tedscomputerconnection.com
tenderkisses.com
terryscamera.com
thaicomputer.com
thaishowroom.com
thaden.com
the-handy.net
the-real.com
theceec.org
thefunnybone.com
thehitman.com
themarlins.net
theoptionstore.com
tiefenschaerfe.com
tiginc.com
tlcdoor.com
tnllc.com
top-design.net
topmanpedagogik.com
tothemoonalice.com
tourservice.com
towergroupinc.com
towntheatre.com
twomany.com
triton.webking.com
truewealth.com
tscapital.com
tsstation.com
tuspain.com
ubl-limited.com
ucallias.com
freehold.upgcom.com
usale-auction.com
valleyoil.com
value-engineer.com
venusmusic.com
vibraconglobe.com
videovacations.com
vietnet.net
virtualcase.com
virtualdirectories.com
virtualartmuseums.com
visualk.com
vowebdesigns.com
voyagecharters.com
vqinc.com
w-appelbaum.com
wallplate.com
wannab.com
web-smiths.com
web-vue.com
webabyss.com
webcareers.com
webjail.com
webmagick.com
webmiser.com
webmaster1.com
webpageplus.com
webpromote.net
websourcecreations.com
webvisn.com
wendland-info.com
dkfl.westhost.com
westhost.westhost.net
whiteseagull.com
whizarz.com
wind-box.com
wnybooks.com
wolfsrange.com
worldwide-gifts.com
worldworkplace.com
yappo.com
yngdar.com
youneed.com
youngcpa.com
yourtownusa.com
yourwaterstore.com
yukonmkt.com
yummiesinc.com
zenitlaser.com
zero-mhz.com
zwer.net

-- 
spambait:
dan@speedweb.net
dan@sosis.com
dan@onlinebiz.net
support@midatlantic-isp.net
ang@speedweb.net




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Alan Rice wrote:

> Any Hufnal attack *not* stopped by filtering these netblocks will
> likely provide an opportunity to notify originating sites (whether
> it's a trial dialup account from hotmail/juno/yahoo and other "free
> email" sites, or some entirely other victim of DH's SMTP trespasses),
> and thereby add their voices to the calls for NAP.NET, GTE, GOODNET &
> UUNET to "assist" Mr. Hufnal in turning to legitimate employment.

We are pleased to report that WinStar GoodNet, Inc. has begun a
much more vigorous campaign to enforce our Acceptable Use Policy
and eliminate SPAM/UCE abusers from our network.

Our AUP includes the following provisions:

"Any use of GoodNet property for the composition,
distribution, or collection of bulk email, abusive email,
or any other form of unsolicited email is strictly prohibited."

and

"GoodNet also specifies that any advertisement of a site/network
that resides on GoodNet's network through a third party
site/network by unsolicited means is also a violation
of the acceptable use policy."

and

"Any use of GoodNet property for the composition,
distribution, or collection of bulk posting, abusive posting,
or any other form of unsolicited posting is strictly prohibited."

WinStar GoodNet has had some problems in the past
enforcing these provisions, but we have now invested
in the hardware, software, and personnel necessary to
manage these types of problems, both from our dialup users
and dedicated connectivity customers and downstream sites.
Improvement should already be apparent in the form of
increased responsiveness to complaints and greatly decreased
volume of spam and UCE originating from our backbone.
We are continuing to work on software and hope to offer
additional improvements to the Internet community soon.

Additionally, we are now holding our customers responsible
for the activities of their customers.

Since our policies will not allow us to inform third parties
of specific actions taken against specific individuals, I will
provide some general information about our spam-response
policies.

- Spam or UCE from a dialup account results in immediate
  termination.

- Spam or UCE from a dedicated connectivity customer will
  result in a single warning to that customer.  The customer will
  immediately cease the activity and, if appropriate, provide us
  with a written plan showing how they will prevent future
  problems.

- If customer sites are used for dropboxes or third party networks
  are used to advertise sites customers sites on our network in a
  way that would not be acceptable originating from our network,
  the customer will disable the site.

Exceptions to the above guidelines must be authorized in writing
by the Director of System Engineering.

We fully expect complete cooperation from all of our downstream
customers in enforcing our AUP.  We will use appropriate means
to ensure that we get it.  When necessary, this may include
disconnection from our network until problems are resolved, or
termination of service.

The decision to disconnect or terminate a customer will be made
jointly by the Director of System Engineering, the Director of
Network Engineering, and the Vice President of Technology
after a customer has shown clear and willful disregard for our
AUP.

If you have any questions about our acceptable use policy,
if you would like a copy, or if you need to report a violation
of the policy, please contact abuse@good.net.

Thank you for your time.

Jeff

PS: For those interested...

[/home/j/jdw/src]: traceroute deaa.org
traceroute to deaa.org (207.204.174.64), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  207.98.130.1 (207.98.130.1)  1.444 ms  1.295 ms  1.588 ms
 2  phoenix.san-jose.good.net (209.54.101.98)  21.454 ms  22.655 ms
19.794 ms
 3  combase-sj-vc.tampa.good.net (209.54.101.138)  119.123 ms  101.461 ms
102.242 ms
 4  * * *
 5  * * *
 6  * * *
 7  * * *


--
Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse
Director of System Engineering
WinStar GoodNet, Inc.




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Below are a few of the network address blocks recently utilized by
Danny Hufnal in furtherance of his various attacks.

In addition to helping everyone sort out to whom they should direct
their complaints, this list should serve well for anyone utilizing
procmail or other filtering software which looks at (real and forged)
"Received:" headers on incoming mail.  A vast quantity of "spam"
should be thus purged or redirected, with negligible chance of
users missing any "real" email.

Any Hufnal attack *not* stopped by filtering these netblocks will
likely provide an opportunity to notify originating sites (whether
it's a trial dialup account from hotmail/juno/yahoo and other "free
email" sites, or some entirely other victim of DH's SMTP trespasses),
and thereby add their voices to the calls for NAP.NET, GTE, GOODNET &
UUNET to "assist" Mr. Hufnal in turning to legitimate employment.


(The majority of these hosts are routed by NAP.NET via axxs.net.  At
this writing, that entity is making use of dangerous, badly mis-
configured multihoming.  IP addressing is being spoofed, reassigned
between different network providers, and - unless those providers are
all aware of, and willing for this to be happening - outright theft
of those providers' resources.  Most of this transitioning is taking
place between BBNPLANET.COM & NAP.NET address space, and quite
possibly represents a violation of both companies' Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policies.)

NOTE:  Clearly, Danny neither owns nor controls absolutely all of
these hosts.  Most of them, yes.  Several however are operated by
(an)other network-abuser(s) who at one time or another has
collaborated with him on IP spoofing by reassignment of DNS tables.

I hope that this format is readable and useful.  Comments, criticisms,
suggestions should be followed-up in this thread here on Usenet in
order for me to find them.


IP ADDR BLOCK		NET SVC PROV	HUFNAL SERVICE-CONTRACT ALIAS

139.142.69		[SFL.NET]	(baremetal.com/comevisit.com)
					(forwarding "service")

207.112.240		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net)
					"HOST4U"'s firewall
			
207.204.174		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.204.208		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.226.161	(?)	[SPRINTLINK]	(honza.com)
					(This is a spam site, although
					not *directly* involved w/
					Dan)
207.243.124		[BBNPLANET.COM]	(sosis.com)
209.54.54		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net) a/k/a "HOST4U.NET"
209.100.54		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.59		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.140.94		[GOOD.NET]	(biznessweb.net)
209.150.128		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.129		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.135		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.153		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.198.26		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.218.24		[@HOME.NET]	(midatlantic-isp.net)
209.224.144		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net]



Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)
30/6/98 follows.


(Non COM/NET/ORG top-level domains used by Hufnal for host spoofing)

eyejam.com.au
bluesfest.com.au
kat.com.au
thesoftwarecottage.com.au
acquacon.com.br
artanil.com.br
firstweb.com.br
intech.com.br
mundo-encantado.com.br
nassif.com.br
revistapsicologia.com.br
santateresa.com.br
superutil.com.br
tecval.ind.br
thm.com.br
positivo.positivo.ch
vr.cl
colortap.de
roedl.de
itdt.edu
dclic.fr
ints.fr
nicolas.tm.fr
platine.fr
sivan.fr
kondo.ne.jp
ns1.kondo.ne.jp
mediacom.ne.jp
aatax.nl
am-impact.nl
bouwadvies.nl
factsoft.nl
hansgiesen.nl
keyboardsound.nl
kmg.nl
landvandetsaren.nl
marcopolo.nl
mediaconsult.nl
relaxedweb.nl
vixicom.nl
fastweb.fastweb.nu
cyberzeal.co.nz
industrilackeringar-hbg.se
jiepeers.se
nlb-scand.se
superval.gob.sv
rcis.co.za



(Other host-table entries, representing the majority of machine-names
used for spoofing by Hufnal.  WHOIS/NIC info on these is useless, and
all names are subject to change at any moment.)


1stautoresponders.com
1ststar.com
2von.com
4arjay.com
4factory.com
matsukura.7777.net
7wan.com
abcb.net
acehangar.net
acclimatedsounds.com
actionweb.com
aw3.actionweb.com
actionweb.net
adhesiveworld.com
www.ae-x.com
affirmed.com
argo-navis.com
ade-rj.org
advantimage.com
advsoft.net
alphacons.com
ameri-cure.com
americanfruitbasket.com
amfedcoins.com
amigaware.com
amschlmilan.org
anku.com
antifa.com
antiqueclocksandtoys.com
antiquepaper.com
aofc.com
apadana.com
arimaboats.com
art-pottery.com
artisticglassusa.com
artistkofton.com
www.asian-paradise.com
www.asianpornos.com
www.asiantribute.com
astrologimedia.com
ausbullion.com
autosistance.com
awebsite.com
axxs.net
www.axxs.net
bannerexpress.com
bdbusiness.com
beauty-fashion.com
begalable.com
bessler-marketing.com
www.bestasian.com
bestcruise.com
biekellahouse.com
bikers-dream.net
biz-promo.com
biznessweb.com
biznessweb.net
www.biznessweb.net
bjain.com
bluesco-op.com
bobcatsys.com
bodyplanet.com
bocnet.com
bouncemusic.com
bpmarket.com
bridgeintegrated.com
bubis.com
buttonhouse.com
bytebybyte.com
c21towncountry.com
cabinets-plus.com
cableparts.com
cadcampro.com
cad-tech.com
callcentre.net
canines.com
ns1.capella-systems.com
ns2.capella-systems.com
capella.net
carangueijos.com
carioca.com
carsonlaser.com
cartoonexpress.com
catacombstudios.com
cc-catering.com
ccmt.com
ccwpd.com
celine-dion.net
chapel1.com
tyler.charlottenet.net
charm-cafe.com
cidadania.org
conwaysfarm.com
ccle.com


charnet.net
ns.charnet.net
ns1.charnet.net
chicago-title.com
cheaphost.com
childsgarden.com
ciquitrillador.com
hayatokun.cloverclub.com
club-hopper.com
clubgoldmine.com
coinclub.com
colonius.net
coloradohomeopathy.org
fusion.combase.com
ns.combase.com
www.combase.com
comevisit.com	(mail-forwarding "service" used at least once by DH)
con10ts.com
connect50plus.com
constell.com
consultorium.com
consumerwatchdog.org
cornerm.com
criehaven.org
csites2000.com
csscom.net
cvue.com
cyberauthors.com
cyberessentials.com
cybergulf.net
ns.cybergulf.net
xs.cybergulf.net
cybersoul-coconet-j.com
cyberworksintl.com
d3po.com
daisuki.com
datsuns.com
dc-adnet.com
dangelosziebart.com
dannysoft.com
dbs-online.com
dclic.com
deaa.org
debtbusters.net
december.com
delmarinn.com
design-write-graphics.com
dgl.com
dianna.com
difitaldeli.net
digital3.net
dimann.com
direct-hit.com
divmark.com
djneeya.com
doteam.com
drama-lighting.com
dramatix.com
dssdirectv.com
dvrinfor.com
dxers.net
e-commerce-net.com
easyas123.net
edcwc.com
eesco.net
ehc.net
elan-vital.com
electrotechniek.com
elk-city.com
elkcitynet.net
www.erotic-playground.com
vanhalen.email-leads.com
emailhost.com
emailonline.com
emdal.com
enchantress.net
encorewire.com
erci.com
www.eroticpleasure.com
escapeweb.net
nirvana.escapeweb.net	(speedweb.net)
eurocool.com
euroece.com
expt.com
www.eyebait.com
eyeshomg.com
eyetech-clm.com
eyetechoptical.com
ezdate.com
www.fantasyjapan.com
www.fantasyparadise.com
farm-home.com
farthest.com
fast-start-team.com
fastdns.net	[same as gaia.host4u.net (axxs.net)]
ffexpress.com
fidentia.com
fieldsmith.com
findnj.com
flashflood.com
flashweb.com
fleetman.com
folklegacy.com
footprints-cbd.com
fortuneworks.com
fossilx.com
frameitco.com
altair.freeadult.com
friendlybeaver.com
frontpageserver.net
ns.frontpageserver.net
frontpagetest.com
game-over.net
ganssle.com
garoses.com
gcssepm.org
geneanet.geneanet.org
geoffmitchell.com
geoint.com
getfree.com
getntouch.com
glashandel.com
global-autoparts.com
wl.globalsourcing.net
gluguru.com
go-native.com
goblin-s.com
gourmetgarden.com
graceweb.org
guest-house.com
gulfstream-realty.com
h-w-y.com
hawaiianincense.com
hearts-home.com
hellasmall.com
www.hentaicentral.com
hinescreative.com
hirono.com
historybuff.com
hkgamer.com
homedecorator.com
ares.host4u.net
atlas.host4u.net
gaia.host4u.net
heras.host4u.net
hercules.host4u.net
hermes.host4u.net
ns.host4u.net
ns2.host4u.net
hotmeltcity.com
hourhomes.com
houstonindustries.com
how-tobooks.com
htwcorp.com
hubbardsmarina.com
hughesind.com
hwcreations.com
hypnos-verlag.com
i-finance.com
iio.org
immigration-laws.com
inetlab.com
infounderground.com
shiva.indiaone.com
iifs.com
intellipharmaceutics.com
interbar.com
interroute.com
intonation.com
intuitive-data.net
isn-cyberservices.com
itrain.org
jack-pot.com
www.jacs-links.com
www.jacs-place.com
jaxgrp.com
jazzpro.com
jgottesman.com
jimedia.com
ns.jiyu.net
jlee.com
joblink-usa.com
jobsrx.com
joinmd.com
shopmd.joinmd.com
jpmintl.com
jstarke.com
juraihelm.com
k-press.com
kl972.net
kartline.com
kaznet.com
kidsdentist.com
kinfonetics.com
klingerentp.com
labec.com
lacomputersystems.com
lasvegasflowers.com
lcdpros.com
leadblaster.com
leavesandroots.com
letsmakemoney.com
letterindia.com
lexiconn.com
libertyenterprises.com
lindees.com
linkbuddies.com
liquidationmall.com
lisfoundation.org
locknetics.com
lsdlaser.com
lubbert.com
lyricshq.com
magicks.net
magware.com
managersguide.com
manningcompany.com
maridan.maridan.com
marinonet.com
markscardslv.com
mars.n-i.com
marzee.com
masaki.com
www.max-xxx.com
maxbyte.com
mbvv.com
mcasa.org
megaresource.com
merdist.com
mesaperformance.com
metaliza.com
metrojackson.com
microwebtech.com
ns1.midatlantic-isp.net
ns2.midatlantic-isp.net
miragelasers.com
mmrl.com
morones.com
motoring-books.com
cozart.moreprofits.com
mp6.com
mpus.com
mscan.com
mtdesert.com
music-biz.com
mvgc.org
mysticmirror.com
mystockcar.com
nationalweddings.com
nayaandaz.com
ncrkba.org
neglect.com
nemisys.com
net-market.com
net-plan.com
neurologist.com
limbo.newbies.org
newerastrategies.com
news-software.com
newtool.com
nflfans.com
northshoremalls.com
ns.jlee.com
nuovaipsa.com
o-i-c.com
oleholeh.com
ww2.olma.net
ompusa.com
oneroad.com
online2020.com
online-personals.com
onlinebiz.com	(HOST4U/AXXS/NAP.NET)
onlinebiz.net	(SOSIS/BBNPLANET.COM)
ns.onlinebiz.net	"
www.only-teens.com
operasoftware.com
opti-mystics.org
orchidflorist.com
originalmarines.com
ostfeed.com
ourcollege.com
oxcart.oxcart.com
packerbacker.com
palmeida.com
pamelanelson.com
paperparadise.com
passaroazul.com
pastornet.net
patechno.com
pccchurch.com
pclimited.com
pctouch.com
peaks.net
pendragontech.com
personal-creations.com
phd4u.com
phone-cash.com
pircher.net
pittsburgh-net.com
planet-pittsburgh.com
www.pleasurepix.com
positivejustice.org
premier-virtual.com
premierdecorativeglass.com
prismair.com
printf.com
prokote.com
prolinksoftware.com
hosted.prometeus.com
ns.propagation.com
ns2.propagation.com
ns2.propagation.net
qfs-rrr.com
qualitycomputersales.com
www.qualityhardcore.com
quatrophonic.com
quest-llc.com
quikmortgage.com
quinte-business.com
r2forge.com
rabartlett.com
rappahannock-web.com
rday.com
readyink.com
realwareinc.com
recrapol.com
www.repulsive.com
resite.org
rockchalk.com
rocksoff.com
rocksoff.net
kiss.rocksoff.net
rogersneurosurgery.com
rosenzu.com
rotary5320.org
ruma-city.com
rwnetwork.com
saddlemaker.com
hercules.safe-order.net
salonweb.com
satphone.net
savemylife.com
sbsbinc.com
schieten.net
sealoft.com
seaone.com
searching4u.com
search-ndr.com
searey.com
seegersart.com
select-creations.com
sepia-rock.com
serverhost.net
ns.serverhost.net
ns2.serverhost.net
serialhomicide.com
shine-media.com
shs-computer.com
shoppingnavi.com
sidewave.com
sidewave.com.com
simpleas123.com
skaide.com
skewarch.com
skratchpiklz.com
smallofficesuccess.com
smallshop.com
snnet.com
solarindustrial.com
sonicsubmit.com
ns.sosis.com
ns2.sosis.com
waylon.sosweb.net
soundaround.com
soundcd.com
spectronet.net
speedweb.net
spica-it.com
sporthaus.com
spunkyworld.com
stagg11.com
stainlessunlimited.com
stalz.com
stevensmedia.com
streamlinegolf.com
summitmarketing.com
sumscorp.com
super-nova.super-nova.net
allman.supercart.net
suplay.com
surecure.com
suruga.net
susantracy.com
svante.com
swsna.studio-west.com
talons.com
tandm.com
tasktrak.com
taylorfx.com
tca-group.com
team2win.com
techmanage.com
technicaldoc.com
teddiebears.com
tedscomputerconnection.com
tenderkisses.com
terryscamera.com
thaicomputer.com
thaishowroom.com
thaden.com
the-handy.net
the-real.com
theceec.org
thefunnybone.com
thehitman.com
themarlins.net
theoptionstore.com
tiefenschaerfe.com
tiginc.com
tlcdoor.com
tnllc.com
top-design.net
topmanpedagogik.com
tothemoonalice.com
tourservice.com
towergroupinc.com
towntheatre.com
twomany.com
triton.webking.com
truewealth.com
tscapital.com
tsstation.com
tuspain.com
ubl-limited.com
ucallias.com
freehold.upgcom.com
usale-auction.com
valleyoil.com
value-engineer.com
venusmusic.com
vibraconglobe.com
videovacations.com
vietnet.net
virtualcase.com
virtualdirectories.com
virtualartmuseums.com
visualk.com
vowebdesigns.com
voyagecharters.com
vqinc.com
w-appelbaum.com
wallplate.com
wannab.com
web-smiths.com
web-vue.com
webabyss.com
webcareers.com
webjail.com
webmagick.com
webmiser.com
webmaster1.com
webpageplus.com
webpromote.net
websourcecreations.com
webvisn.com
wendland-info.com
dkfl.westhost.com
westhost.westhost.net
whiteseagull.com
whizarz.com
wind-box.com
wnybooks.com
wolfsrange.com
worldwide-gifts.com
worldworkplace.com
yappo.com
yngdar.com
youneed.com
youngcpa.com
yourtownusa.com
yourwaterstore.com
yukonmkt.com
yummiesinc.com
zenitlaser.com
zero-mhz.com
zwer.net

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> 
> Below are a few of the network address blocks recently utilized by
> Danny Hufnal in furtherance of his various attacks.

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Below are a few of the network address blocks recently utilized by
Danny Hufnal in furtherance of his various attacks.

In addition to helping everyone sort out to whom they should direct
their complaints, this list should serve well for anyone utilizing
procmail or other filtering software which looks at (real and forged)
"Received:" headers on incoming mail.  A vast quantity of "spam"
should be thus purged or redirected, with negligible chance of
users missing any "real" email.

Any Hufnal attack *not* stopped by filtering these netblocks will
likely provide an opportunity to notify originating sites (whether
it's a trial dialup account from hotmail/juno/yahoo and other "free
email" sites, or some entirely other victim of DH's SMTP trespasses),
and thereby add their voices to the calls for NAP.NET, GTE, GOODNET &
UUNET to "assist" Mr. Hufnal in turning to legitimate employment.


(The majority of these hosts are routed by NAP.NET via axxs.net.  At
this writing, that entity is making use of dangerous, badly mis-
configured multihoming.  IP addressing is being spoofed, reassigned
between different network providers, and - unless those providers are
all aware of, and willing for this to be happening - outright theft
of those providers' resources.  Most of this transitioning is taking
place between BBNPLANET.COM & NAP.NET address space, and quite
possibly represents a violation of both companies' Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policies.)

NOTE:  Clearly, Danny neither owns nor controls absolutely all of
these hosts.  Most of them, yes.  Several however are operated by
(an)other network-abuser(s) who at one time or another has
collaborated with him on IP spoofing by reassignment of DNS tables.

I hope that this format is readable and useful.  Comments, criticisms,
suggestions should be followed-up in this thread here on Usenet in
order for me to find them.


IP ADDR BLOCK		NET SVC PROV	HUFNAL SERVICE-CONTRACT ALIAS

139.142.69		[SFL.NET]	(baremetal.com/comevisit.com)
					(forwarding "service")

207.112.240		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net)
					"HOST4U"'s firewall
			
207.204.174		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.204.208		[GOOD.NET]	(combase.com)
207.226.161	(?)	[SPRINTLINK]	(honza.com)
					(This is a spam site, although
					not *directly* involved w/
					Dan)
207.243.124		[BBNPLANET.COM]	(sosis.com)
209.54.54		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net) a/k/a "HOST4U.NET"
209.100.54		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.59		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.100.136		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.140.94		[GOOD.NET]	(biznessweb.net)
209.150.128		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.129		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.135		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.150.153		[NAP.NET]	(axxs.net)
209.198.26		[UU.NET]	(cetlink.net/biznessweb.net)
209.218.24		[@HOME.NET]	(midatlantic-isp.net)
209.224.144		[NAP.NET]	(siteprotect.com/axxs.net]



Canonical Listing of Danny Hufnal host aliases (whitelist filter)
30/6/98 follows.


(Non COM/NET/ORG top-level domains used by Hufnal for host spoofing)

eyejam.com.au
bluesfest.com.au
kat.com.au
thesoftwarecottage.com.au
acquacon.com.br
artanil.com.br
firstweb.com.br
intech.com.br
mundo-encantado.com.br
nassif.com.br
revistapsicologia.com.br
santateresa.com.br
superutil.com.br
tecval.ind.br
thm.com.br
positivo.positivo.ch
vr.cl
colortap.de
roedl.de
itdt.edu
dclic.fr
ints.fr
nicolas.tm.fr
platine.fr
sivan.fr
kondo.ne.jp
ns1.kondo.ne.jp
mediacom.ne.jp
aatax.nl
am-impact.nl
bouwadvies.nl
factsoft.nl
hansgiesen.nl
keyboardsound.nl
kmg.nl
landvandetsaren.nl
marcopolo.nl
mediaconsult.nl
relaxedweb.nl
vixicom.nl
fastweb.fastweb.nu
cyberzeal.co.nz
industrilackeringar-hbg.se
jiepeers.se
nlb-scand.se
superval.gob.sv
rcis.co.za



(Other host-table entries, representing the majority of machine-names
used for spoofing by Hufnal.  WHOIS/NIC info on these is useless, and
all names are subject to change at any moment.)


1stautoresponders.com
1ststar.com
2von.com
4arjay.com
4factory.com
matsukura.7777.net
7wan.com
abcb.net
acehangar.net
acclimatedsounds.com
actionweb.com
aw3.actionweb.com
actionweb.net
adhesiveworld.com
www.ae-x.com
affirmed.com
argo-navis.com
ade-rj.org
advantimage.com
advsoft.net
alphacons.com
ameri-cure.com
americanfruitbasket.com
amfedcoins.com
amigaware.com
amschlmilan.org
anku.com
antifa.com
antiqueclocksandtoys.com
antiquepaper.com
aofc.com
apadana.com
arimaboats.com
art-pottery.com
artisticglassusa.com
artistkofton.com
www.asian-paradise.com
www.asianpornos.com
www.asiantribute.com
astrologimedia.com
ausbullion.com
autosistance.com
awebsite.com
axxs.net
www.axxs.net
bannerexpress.com
bdbusiness.com
beauty-fashion.com
begalable.com
bessler-marketing.com
www.bestasian.com
bestcruise.com
biekellahouse.com
bikers-dream.net
biz-promo.com
biznessweb.com
biznessweb.net
www.biznessweb.net
bjain.com
bluesco-op.com
bobcatsys.com
bodyplanet.com
bocnet.com
bouncemusic.com
bpmarket.com
bridgeintegrated.com
bubis.com
buttonhouse.com
bytebybyte.com
c21towncountry.com
cabinets-plus.com
cableparts.com
cadcampro.com
cad-tech.com
callcentre.net
canines.com
ns1.capella-systems.com
ns2.capella-systems.com
capella.net
carangueijos.com
carioca.com
carsonlaser.com
cartoonexpress.com
catacombstudios.com
cc-catering.com
ccmt.com
ccwpd.com
celine-dion.net
chapel1.com
tyler.charlottenet.net
charm-cafe.com
cidadania.org
conwaysfarm.com
ccle.com


charnet.net
ns.charnet.net
ns1.charnet.net
chicago-title.com
cheaphost.com
childsgarden.com
ciquitrillador.com
hayatokun.cloverclub.com
club-hopper.com
clubgoldmine.com
coinclub.com
colonius.net
coloradohomeopathy.org
fusion.combase.com
ns.combase.com
www.combase.com
comevisit.com	(mail-forwarding "service" used at least once by DH)
con10ts.com
connect50plus.com
constell.com
consultorium.com
consumerwatchdog.org
cornerm.com
criehaven.org
csites2000.com
csscom.net
cvue.com
cyberauthors.com
cyberessentials.com
cybergulf.net
ns.cybergulf.net
xs.cybergulf.net
cybersoul-coconet-j.com
cyberworksintl.com
d3po.com
daisuki.com
datsuns.com
dc-adnet.com
dangelosziebart.com
dannysoft.com
dbs-online.com
dclic.com
deaa.org
debtbusters.net
december.com
delmarinn.com
design-write-graphics.com
dgl.com
dianna.com
difitaldeli.net
digital3.net
dimann.com
direct-hit.com
divmark.com
djneeya.com
doteam.com
drama-lighting.com
dramatix.com
dssdirectv.com
dvrinfor.com
dxers.net
e-commerce-net.com
easyas123.net
edcwc.com
eesco.net
ehc.net
elan-vital.com
electrotechniek.com
elk-city.com
elkcitynet.net
www.erotic-playground.com
vanhalen.email-leads.com
emailhost.com
emailonline.com
emdal.com
enchantress.net
encorewire.com
erci.com
www.eroticpleasure.com
escapeweb.net
nirvana.escapeweb.net	(speedweb.net)
eurocool.com
euroece.com
expt.com
www.eyebait.com
eyeshomg.com
eyetech-clm.com
eyetechoptical.com
ezdate.com
www.fantasyjapan.com
www.fantasyparadise.com
farm-home.com
farthest.com
fast-start-team.com
fastdns.net	[same as gaia.host4u.net (axxs.net)]
ffexpress.com
fidentia.com
fieldsmith.com
findnj.com
flashflood.com
flashweb.com
fleetman.com
folklegacy.com
footprints-cbd.com
fortuneworks.com
fossilx.com
frameitco.com
altair.freeadult.com
friendlybeaver.com
frontpageserver.net
ns.frontpageserver.net
frontpagetest.com
game-over.net
ganssle.com
garoses.com
gcssepm.org
geneanet.geneanet.org
geoffmitchell.com
geoint.com
getfree.com
getntouch.com
glashandel.com
global-autoparts.com
wl.globalsourcing.net
gluguru.com
go-native.com
goblin-s.com
gourmetgarden.com
graceweb.org
guest-house.com
gulfstream-realty.com
h-w-y.com
hawaiianincense.com
hearts-home.com
hellasmall.com
www.hentaicentral.com
hinescreative.com
hirono.com
historybuff.com
hkgamer.com
homedecorator.com
ares.host4u.net
atlas.host4u.net
gaia.host4u.net
heras.host4u.net
hercules.host4u.net
hermes.host4u.net
ns.host4u.net
ns2.host4u.net
hotmeltcity.com
hourhomes.com
houstonindustries.com
how-tobooks.com
htwcorp.com
hubbardsmarina.com
hughesind.com
hwcreations.com
hypnos-verlag.com
i-finance.com
iio.org
immigration-laws.com
inetlab.com
infounderground.com
shiva.indiaone.com
iifs.com
intellipharmaceutics.com
interbar.com
interroute.com
intonation.com
intuitive-data.net
isn-cyberservices.com
itrain.org
jack-pot.com
www.jacs-links.com
www.jacs-place.com
jaxgrp.com
jazzpro.com
jgottesman.com
jimedia.com
ns.jiyu.net
jlee.com
joblink-usa.com
jobsrx.com
joinmd.com
shopmd.joinmd.com
jpmintl.com
jstarke.com
juraihelm.com
k-press.com
kl972.net
kartline.com
kaznet.com
kidsdentist.com
kinfonetics.com
klingerentp.com
labec.com
lacomputersystems.com
lasvegasflowers.com
lcdpros.com
leadblaster.com
leavesandroots.com
letsmakemoney.com
letterindia.com
lexiconn.com
libertyenterprises.com
lindees.com
linkbuddies.com
liquidationmall.com
lisfoundation.org
locknetics.com
lsdlaser.com
lubbert.com
lyricshq.com
magicks.net
magware.com
managersguide.com
manningcompany.com
maridan.maridan.com
marinonet.com
markscardslv.com
mars.n-i.com
marzee.com
masaki.com
www.max-xxx.com
maxbyte.com
mbvv.com
mcasa.org
megaresource.com
merdist.com
mesaperformance.com
metaliza.com
metrojackson.com
microwebtech.com
ns1.midatlantic-isp.net
ns2.midatlantic-isp.net
miragelasers.com
mmrl.com
morones.com
motoring-books.com
cozart.moreprofits.com
mp6.com
mpus.com
mscan.com
mtdesert.com
music-biz.com
mvgc.org
mysticmirror.com
mystockcar.com
nationalweddings.com
nayaandaz.com
ncrkba.org
neglect.com
nemisys.com
net-market.com
net-plan.com
neurologist.com
limbo.newbies.org
newerastrategies.com
news-software.com
newtool.com
nflfans.com
northshoremalls.com
ns.jlee.com
nuovaipsa.com
o-i-c.com
oleholeh.com
ww2.olma.net
ompusa.com
oneroad.com
online2020.com
online-personals.com
onlinebiz.com	(HOST4U/AXXS/NAP.NET)
onlinebiz.net	(SOSIS/BBNPLANET.COM)
ns.onlinebiz.net	"
www.only-teens.com
operasoftware.com
opti-mystics.org
orchidflorist.com
originalmarines.com
ostfeed.com
ourcollege.com
oxcart.oxcart.com
packerbacker.com
palmeida.com
pamelanelson.com
paperparadise.com
passaroazul.com
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On Sun, 24 May 1998 17:56:33 GMT,
Commodore/UPPER_half/1st_Virginia_Volunteers/Cesium_Brigade=*mhm_16_x_3*=@alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk_NUKE_FRANCE_AND_THOSE_CUNTS_IN_BELGIUM_ALSO_THOSE_PRETEND_FROG_FUCKERS_IN_QUEBEC_Come_on_you_demon_yokels_PLONK_ME_YOU_FUCKHEADS
(el rocko) farted and killed a pig:

>Friendly Altopia Vulisbot <fav@weer.all.vulis> found time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
>-+>IRS Agent wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an
>umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
>-+>> 
>-+>> MEOW>Listen:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
>-+>> MEOW>recent uberpost:
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
>-+>> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
>-+>> MEOW>|
>-+>> MEOW>|Say What?
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
>-+>> MEOW>is a real dork.
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>
>-+>> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
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>-+>> MEOW>--
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>-+>> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
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>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
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>-+>> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
>-+>> MEOW>   (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
>-+>> MEOW>  -----
>-+>> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you would have just built
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>-+>> MEOW>twenty."
>-+>> 
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>-+>
>-+>Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
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>And there was I hoping they where getting ready to NUKE FRANCE.

Why NUKE FRANCE?  Isn't the agony of being the bad joke of the Western
world punishment enough?


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From: tiltulum@cow-net.com (MW)
Subject: Outing a net nazi rogue canceller - Mike Horwath - refuge from winternet
Date: 1998/07/11
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In article <OAMp1.1390$IA2.6228119@ptah.visi.com>, drechsau@yuck.net 
says...
> In winternet.help Mike_Schneder <DISAPP@winternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> :   Whorewath, you blockhead....
> 
> Are you claiming that I caneled a message of yours?

Are you going to deny your rogue cancels 3 months back - using you 
"cancel bot" that only worked on posts which had content that you 
objected to?

Mike doesn't have to *claim* anything.

The proof is out there for anybody who wants to go and look.

You are a cheeze head Horwath.

But I hope you keep up with your little tricks.

Someday some netgod is going to pay extra special attention to your 
abuses and deal with it appropriately.

Why did they fire you at winternet Horwath?

Doesn't it upset you that you can't play your little games with Mike 
Schnieders new ISP?

ROFL

MW

-------Master Chief in charge of Political Incorrection-----
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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Lord Baltimore Halifax McTavish)
Subject: MUST READ: UDP - Major New Weapon Against Your 1st Amendment Rights!
Date: 1998/03/06
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On Fri, 06 Mar 1998 03:52:25 GMT, doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
(Gunther Schiller) wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:04:43 -0500, bruce@funkynassau.cv.net (Bruce
>Forest) wrote:

>>Apologists? Hardly. Continue to post binaries to discussion groups and you
>>get a quick UDP. Clear enough?

>I have not one idea what a UDP is but I take it that you are somehow
>threatening me. 

UDP=Usenet Death Penalty

>I don't take orders from persons of your sort of
>character anyways! I must really cause your team pain for you all to
>go after in the manner that you do!

A UDP is where the liberals harangue an ISP and have them cut off if
they don't cave in to the Politically Corrects demands. It is a rape
of the First Amendment rights and now a major assault to silence all
non-politically correct people! The Politically Correct say UDP is to
get rid of commercial spam but it will be used to silence those that
the Politically Correct deem unsuitable to be in USENET. 
THIS MEANS YOU MOST LIKELY.

Read these sources to see:

http://www.abcnews.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/netcom0223.html

By Chris Stamper
ABCNEWS.com
Feb. 23 � Once upon a time, Usenet was the town square of cyberspace.
It was where netizens gathered in thousands of discussion groups to
talk about any topic imaginable. And like any frontier community,
Usenet had its share of homesteaders, carefree wanderers and a few
town kooks adding atmosphere. 
���� Then the spammers came. They blasted away at the newsgroups with
endless ads for pornography, get-rich-quick schemes and chain letters.
And just as many residents started fleeing for the full-graphics
wonderland of the World Wide Web, a die-hard cabal of Usenet junkies
decided to fight back. 
���� They built �cancelbots� to erase junk messages. Then they noticed
that users at certain large Internet providers fired off a
disproportionate amount of spam. Thus came the ultimate weapon: the
Usenet Death Penalty. Misbehaving access providers are put on notice:
Halt the avalanche of junk messages coming from the service or your
customers lose posting privileges. 
���� So what happens when this band of geeks threatens Netcom, one of
America's largest Internet providers? The geeks win! 

[...]

	~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

Comment:

Ofd course who will anoint themselves as judges for: "Usenet Death
Penalty. Misbehaving access providers are put on notice: Halt the
avalanche of junk messages coming from the service or your customers
lose posting privileges" as stated just above? Nizkor people? The
Jeffrey G. Brown types, pro-abortionists, pro-homosexuals etc.? This
UDP is another one of their under handed schemes to silence the
opposition. They are going to use the UDP to balck mail ISPs to
silence individuals. I hope many of you see that this is just the
camel's nose under the tent!

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.sputum.com/cns/netcomudp.html

"Preface by CNS Unit 0: This is a great day for the Usenet. Our public
announcement of a planned Usenet Death Penalty on 14 February 98
directly induced a major Internet Service Provider to clean up its
act. In the end, not one Netcom user was inconvenienced...not ONE post
was ever cancelled as part of the official UDP.

As others have stated, interactions between Usenet news administrators
should not be seen through the prism of national politics (with
misguided shouts of "censorship" and "due process"), but rather
through the prism of international relations. We sent telegrams: they
were ignored. We sent diplomats: they were rebuffed. Only when we
mobilized our troops and deployed our virtual aircraft carriers did
Netcom sit up, take notice, and agree to our demands--
unconditionally. In order for powerful Internet Service Providers to
listen to the collective will of Usenet, we netizens must have some
form of power of our own to back our insistence that Spam will NOT be
tolerated, period. This power is embodied in the Usenet Death
Penalty-- or Internet Quarantine, as some have called it. The fact
that we did not HAVE to deploy this power validates our current
system, and represents the ideal outcome we have worked toward from
the beginning."

[...]

	~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=329920953

Subject:      [ADMIN] Netcom Users: UDP Lifted
From:         usadmin@wwa.com (Henrietta K. Thomas)
Date:         1998/03/02
Message-ID:   <34fa4529.132479@news.wwa.com>
Newsgroups:   us.config,us.legal,us.taxes

This is to advise that the Usenet Death Penalty (UDP) against
Netcom was lifted just before midnight on Saturday, February
28, 1998, after Netcom installed filters on its outgoing servers
and took action against users who were spamming Usenet.

Full details on the UDP are available at:

	http://www.sputum.com/cns/netcomudp.html

Henrietta K. Thomas
us.* hierarchy coordinator
usadmin@wwa.com

	~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

Now I ask do you want a liberal/socialist deciding for you what you
can say on the Internet? Notice how very liberal and elitist he is.
Notice how much he comes across as a Jeffrey G. Brown, an Andrew
Mathis, a Gregory Taylor, and Allan Matthews, or even a Bruce Forest
dictator wannabee!

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330986771

Subject:      re: Meeks/MSNBC 'Death to the UDP'
From:         Steve Frampton <3fes@dyvax.dhrrafh.pn>
Date:         1998/03/05
Message-ID:   <6dlbt0$h7g@knot.queensu.ca>
Newsgroups:   news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc

[From: header rot13'd to thwart e-mail spam.  See .sig for details]

"Pan" <pan@syix.com> wrote:

: http://www.msnbc.com/news/147658.asp
:
: The willful ignorance level of Meeks' article
: requires forced re-education.
:
: He solicits email at -
: brock.meeks@msnbc.com

Okay, mind if I start?  Here's a reply I just fired off at him.  :-)

To: brock.meeks@msnbc.com

Read your article on the UDP.  You are obviously an idiot if you
think "1st Ammendment Rights" mean anything in a global medium such
as the Internet.  Why are Americans so damn US-Centric?

Because there is no central control of the Internet, it becomes
necessary for individuals, who are concerned for its well-being,
to take an active part in its protection.  The only way that USENET
"works" is when everyone acts like proper citizens and ISP's enforce
the rules of their AUP/TOS agreements.

When they don't, USENET begins to break down.  The people who organize
and work together to impose punishments such as the UDP are altruistic
individuals who have only the best interest of the 'net in mind.  If
an ISP doesn't play by the rules, they will learn to play by the rules
quickly enough, thanks to the actions of these individuals.

It is unfortunate that innocents are also directly affected by the
UDPs. However, an obvious choice is to find a provider who plays by
the rules. A side benefit of this is that this causes a direct,
measurable cost to the recalcitrant ISP, who may play fair game in the
future.

UDPs are never taken lightly.  There is a lot of debate and discussion
about them.  The ISPs are given every chance to avoid them.  Only then
is a UDP imposed.

By the way, I'm not expert on the U.S. Constitution (spit!) but
doesn't the 1st Ammendment protect free speech in that the government
can not suppress it?  Because this is not what is happening with the
UDP.  The individuals are merely issuing advisory cancel messages.
The rest of the net does *not* have to honour them -- but a good
majority do because part of being a good citizen in any community is
knowing the difference between right and wrong, and knowing when to
draw the line against those who do not know or do not care about
issues of wrongness.

I hope I have provided you with a small clue to help you through your
day.  If not, I'm sure many other readers will as well.

Cheers...

------------< LINUX: The choice of a GNU generation. >-------------
Steve Frampton    <3fes@dyvax.dhrrafh.pn>
http://qlink.queensu.ca/~3srf
If you need to mail me, rot13 the e-mail address above. ---------

	~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

In reply to the above:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331136622

Subject:      Re: Meeks/MSNBC 'Death to the UDP'
From:         karromde@nyx.nyx.net (Ken Arromdee)
Date:         1998/03/05
Message-ID:   <889118175.438081@iris.nyx.net>
Newsgroups:   news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


Steve Frampton <3fes@dyvax.dhrrafh.pn> wrote:
>The
>individuals are merely issuing advisory cancel messages.  The rest of
>the net does *not* have to honour them -- but a good majority do because
...

It's not enough this lie is being spread on the net, but now it's
being sent to the news media too?
--
Ken Arromdee   

	~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~

Yes, Ken that is how the left operates. They get the media involved in
the propagandizing of any attempt at our freedoms!

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Who will be the judge of what is an "offending messsage?"

http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/10423.html

WIRED NEWS

[...]

"We have an agreement with Netcom which they are so far complying
with," said Paul Vixie, the consultant and engineer who runs the RBL
in his spare time. 

While Vixie does not directly participate in UDPs by canceling
messages, he does honor the UDP "cancel messages" that are generated
elsewhere. Cancel messages - the technical tool of a UDP - are
administrative commands that travel between news servers, canceling
out offending messages. 

	~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/0220/286918.html

ZDNET

[...]

UDPs are carried out by people known on Usenet as "cancellers," who
tend to be system administrators or long-time Usenet users. These
spam-destroyers look for people who send a single message to large
numbers of newsgroups -- a sure sign that the message is spam -- and
then issue a "cancel" command for that specific message. The cancel
command requests Usenet system administrators to erase the offending
message; if the command issues from a canceller with a good
reputation, it is usually honored. 

[Notice who can be a "censor"-  long-time Usenet users!]

	~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

You all have been warned and I proved this latest attack beyond any
doubt. What will you do when your posts are cancelled by a self
appointed USENET censor because they aren't Politically Correct?

Act now while there is till time!



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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context Nine Times in One Post. How Desperate Can He Be?
Date: 1998/03/07
Message-ID: <3500a15c.544368133@news.phoenix.net>
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


Out Of context posting by Jeffrey G. Brown put in conext- for the
DejaNews records and for truth! This will be forwarded to his ISP
attn: Trevor Hawthorn

The following is a recent post in which Jeffrey G. Brown quoted me 
out of context nine times. I will put his out of context quotes in
their original context.

This was Jeffrey's libelous post:

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331265117

This was my first reply:

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331288525

Now I attempt to put each and everyone of Jeffrey G. Brown's
distortions in their true context.

#1

>   "...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
>   telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
>   always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>

I actually said verifiable in DejaNews archives as applied properly in
its proper context of usage:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318232635.4

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am
not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the
debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying
by the tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person
and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!"

				- Doc Tavish -

Also:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324858208.2

[...]

"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and
the hecklers not being able to prove their point other than scorn or
ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and
I hope that you learn from it!  This is my original- "If I hear
something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate
and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the
tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the
truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!" "
	
	~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

#2

>   "Name calling only makes you look like a chronic boob to
>    those who know better!"
> 
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistically Speaking: Tavish is Still 
>                              Correct as Always & Only People W/O Answers
>                              Name Call!
>                         -- Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 20:26:12 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32F54CC4.1759@phoenix.net>

Could not find original; Jeffrey has spammed his out of context quote
too many times for me to be able to find it. If any of you wish to
wade through Jeffrey's endless and meaningless posts then please post
the DejaNews link. Jeffrey has misquoted the above at least 100 times!

	~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

#3

>   "I see that you can only still resort to name calling."
>
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                         -- Subject: Re: Jesus- Who Killed Him? Mosaic 
>                              Law Establishes the Fact
>                         -- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:31:13 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <333AD910.6D2C@phoenix.net>

This is not the exact post but it is the original and not a Re; or
reply post and it contains the out of context phrase in exact context!

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=253004667.4

[...]

Allan Matthews:Matthews:
And here's some portions of the Gospel "tavish" obviously overlooked
in his overzealous, perhaps pathologically anti-semitic, persecution.

Tavish now replies (2nd posting):
Allan is that all you can do is name call and make allegations against
my character? The Pharisees were quite good at the name calling too!

[...]

Allan Matthews:
So "tavish" quit babbling and admit losing.  Just like your buddy the
criminal Giwer-swine - you lose, again.

Tavish now replies (2nd posting):
I haven't lost anything but you have. I make no idle claims either.
The lurkers and the knowledgeable ones know the truth of this post and
the characters of both of the people involved. I shall keep this post
in circulation. I see that you can only still resort to name calling.
Can you prove that Giwer is a criminal or a swine or is this just your
way of dealing with information and situations that are beyond your
scope?

	~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

#4

>   "So is that the only intellect that you could conjure up to refute the
>    post? Name calling and personal attacks?"
>
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                         -- Subject: Re: God hates fags, shouldn't you?
>                         -- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:40:07 -0500
>                         -- Message-ID: <338B54B7.4D24@spam-not.net>

Could not find my original post BUT I found at least 18 instances in
which Jeffrey G. Brown used this same exact out of context quote and
usually mixed in with at least 3 others! No lie- go check for your
selves at:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=God+hates+fags%2C+shouldn%27t+you+only+intellect+that+you+could+conjure+up&ST=QS&CT=&DBS=2&defaultOp=%26&svcclass=dnold&maxhits=20&showsort=score&format=terse&filter=%7Bdb96q1+%7B%7B%7Ec+%7B%23*%23+%26%21+%28sex+%7C+jo|�

	~~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#5

>   "Such childish slander from an infantile mind. Can't deal with the fact
>    so you name call."
>
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                         -- Subject: Re: Tavish Whines "Pay Attention To Me!"
>                         -- Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 18:22:57 -0500
>                         -- Message-ID: <3399ED51.229@spam.not.net>

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=246900773

Nosy wrote:

>         Liar "Tavish" appeals to no one, other than similar
>         Horst Wessel wannabes.

Tavish replies:
Such childish slander from an infantile mind. Can't deal with the fact
so you name call. I don't put much store in the future of our country
with such replies from all of these EDU addresses.

	~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

#6

>   "False accusations and personal insults shows how desperate you are."
>
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                         -- Subject: Ken Barnes Lies!
>                         -- Date: 1997/06/09
>                         -- Message-Id: <339CADC1.239@spam.not.net>

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=247404380.1

[...]

> > I was harassing him! Pharisees will do anything to silence the
> > opposition. I archive Mr. Barnes! I archive!
> > Tavish
> 
> So does Dejanews, Joe Bob.  Seems you're quite the alt.revisionist.

Tavish replies:
False accusations and personal insults shows how desperate you are.

	~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

#7

>   "The mentally deficient can only assault character because they are
>    devoid of ideas."
>
>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                         -- Subject: One Jew and One Toadie Corrected 
>                               About Anti-Christs. (Classic Informative 
>                               Repost Contained Herein.)
>                         -- Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:14:37 -0500
>                         -- Message-ID: <33C026DD.47F0@spam.not.net>

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=255162470.1

Van Alstine slanders:
> > > Ah, Mr. Smith is just torqued 'cause he found out his mother used to swim
> > > after Allied troopships....

Tavish replied:
[The mentally deficient can only assault character because they are
devoid of ideas.]

	~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~

#8

>   "All you can do is call names. Some tower of intellect you are!"
>
>                       -- From: Scott Bradbury
>                       -- Subject: Re: Soviets Were the Jews!
>                       -- Date: 7 Dec 1997 23:27:17 GMT
>                       -- Message-ID: <01bd0380$fd35ca60$b5451ed1@msn-net>

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296115125

Yehuda Igor Yeroslavski <yyerosla@sfu.ca> wrote in article
<666uo6$n3s$2@morgoth.sfu.ca>...
> John Brown (brown25@DELETEME.hotmail.com) wrote:

> <nazi pig arab>

All you can do is call names. Some tower of intellect you are! You
have yet to factually refute any post that I have made.

	~~~~~~~~~~~ END~~~~~~~~~~


#9

>   "I at least do my very best to refrain from personal attacks..."
>   
>                         -- doc_tavish@hotmailed.com (Scott Bradbury)
>                         -- Subject: Nekkid Wimmen Pictures? Another 
>                              Pathetic Attempt at Defamation!
>                         -- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:58:01 GMT
>                         -- Message-ID: <34c2955b.1481778394@news.smart1.net>

A person only needs to click and read the following post to see the
many efforts of Jeffrey G. Brown to lie and to distort. This is one
post that should be read in its entirety to see the lengths Jeffrey
will go in order to smear me personally. 

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=317214192.1

In context:

>However, in not knowing the difference between SOME and ALL, Tavish and his
>cast of hundreds in the theatre of delusional paranoia have proven beyond a
>shadow of a doubt that ALL of his posts are drivel unworthy of a sixth grade
>gradeyate.  However, your Lordship, I expect you'll have to repeat the
>seventh grade yet again.

"You only show how pitiful your side is when all you can do is make
personal attacks."

[...]

"I at least do my very best to refrain from personal attacks and try
to stick with documented material that can be verified. I often get
attacked for posting what Jews wrote without adding one word of mine!"

	~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~

I've tried to find the original posts in DejaNews but there are so
many in which Jeffrey G. Brown has used the same exact out of context
quotes that it is virtually impossible to find some of the originals
even entering the subject title and searching just for it. Jeffrey has
demonically loaded up DejaNews with his out of context quotings!
I see him as a candidate for a UDP and Net Scum Hall Of Shame
nomination!

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Additional information:

I wonder if all of Jeffrey G. Brown's "out of context quotes posts" ,
"Lyin' Bob Whittaker posts" and "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie posts" would
be a filling of USENET with junk. Afterall what meaningful information
has Jeffrey G. Brown ever posted other than parroting hundreds of
times the same out of context quotes and smears?

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

He has misquoted one of my quotes 187 times and has posted it.
As a documented example just click this link to see how he quoted me
out of context numerous times in one post!

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331288525.1

Jeffrey uses at least nine out of context snippets from my posts to
make false charges. He does NOT of course supply the DejaNews links so
the casual lurker may see for themselves what I actually said in
context. Check it out and you will see that Jeffrey needs to be UDPed.

			<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>





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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context in Another Post. How Desperate Can He Be?
Date: 1998/03/09
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc



Here is USENET's most prolific twister of words caught and exposed
again! Why does Jeffrey G. Brown do this? I do NOT know other than to
fill DejaNews with falsehoods based on out of context quotes in order
to smear me!

This post was made after I exposed him for misquoting me in another
post and yet he misquotes me again!

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324784440

Subject:      Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie Panics When He "Outs" Himself!
Hilarious!
From:         jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date:         1998/02/13
Message-ID:   <jeff_brown-ya02408000R1302981041150001@news.zippo.com>


In article <34df971e.339735121@news.phoenix.net>, Scott "Here's the
rope -- now to hang myself!" Bradbury (doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com,
phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

> The above post is unaltered and here are the snippets that Jeffrey
> builds his case on: " dick...  suck buddies... the legendary "O.".. I
> also ASSume...  bugger me up the ol' vent pipe... poop shoot..."

Yup. And here's what poor ol' gutless Scottie himself had to say about
the use of these terms:

   "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
   then it is a duck. If you use speech that homosexuals use then what
   other conclusion may be drawn?"

                    -- Subject: Re: Why is John Brown homophobic?
                    -- From: Scott Bradbury
                    -- Date: 1997/11/25
                    -- Message-ID:
<01bcf9fe$8c3f4f60$ba871ed1@msn-net>

Case closed.

JGB

====================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

	~~~~~~~~ End of False Post ~~~~~~~~

The case is NOT closed Jeffrey, you continue in your lies and slander!
I proved that he quoted out of context from still another post. I
demand justice form the public court! I did not edit one word and
notice that I, unlike Jeffrey G. Brown, supply links to the original
sources. I have nothing to hide but he does!
Here is what Jeffrey G. Brown replied to:

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323573385

Subject:      Leftist "Act Ups" When He "Outs' Himself. Hilarious!
(Jeffrey and A.G. Are Good Friends!)
From:         doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date:         1998/02/09
Message-ID:   <34df971e.339735121@news.phoenix.net>


On Sun, 08 Feb 98 20:21:57 GMT, agfilbin@hooked.net (A. G. Phillbin)
wrote:

>In article <34dcd8df.159933089@news.flash.net>, doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:
>>On Sat, 07 Feb 98 05:16:35 GMT, agfilbin@hooked.net (A. G. Phillbin)
>>wrote:

>>>In article <34da4f4c.352971581@news.phoenix.net>,
>> doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:

[ ... ]

>>I, Tavish, had earlier remarked to Miss Susan:
>>>>>> Why do I get the distinct impression that you smell real nice and 
>>>>>> have nice smooth legs that I would want to lay my head on?

Tavish again said:
>>Now I ask all warm blooded males: "Just what is so abnormal about
>>thinking a woman would smell nice and think she has nice legs to which
>>one would would to lay his head down on. If I am sick then take me out
>>behind the barn and put a cap in my ass BUT if I am normal then my
>>opposition has to be closeted or latent homosexuals. They are,
>>afterall, the ones that take issue with me liking women and their
>>charms.

A.G. Phillbin says:
>Nobody is taking issue with your supposedly liking "women and their charms." 
>The problem is your pathetic, misogynistic behavior towards any woman you have 
>a disagreement with. The fact is, Scotty, you don't like women and know 
>nothing of their charms, as witnessed by the unrefuted fact that you have only 
>"heard" what "vulvar genitalia" tastes like. (BTW, where did you learn the 
>phrase "vulvar genitalia?" Have you been jerking off over your junior high 
>school hygiene textbook again?) 

Let's see if I get this straight; you are taking issue that I, a male,
made remarks at one time about having oral sex with a woman. And you
take issue that I commented on its taste.

You on the other hand are a male, and you made remarks about another
woman having oral sex with a man and you inquired as to what the penis
tasted like and if the woman swallowed the "juice" so to speak. You
come across as a homosexual. Here is your post with your question
asking what a penis tasted like:

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=319013572

Subject:      Re: I know the president's cock ...
From:         agfilbin@wenet.net (A. G. Phillbin)
Date:         1998/01/25
Message-ID:   <6aeme2$l50$1@was.hooked.net>
Newsgroups:   alt.religion.christian

In article <34C20AD2.51E7@eronet.com>, . wrote:
>Yeah, I had seen HIS prick.
>It looks like an short banana with an rotten prune on the top !
>Beneath this thing there are a pair of dark brown wrinkled balls ...
>Believe it or not ... That's it !
>
>Stand by me, please !
>Paula

Can you tell us how it tasted, Paula? Did you swallow?

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A.G. not only are you interested in what a penis tastes like you
actually wanted me to post a picture of mine! Here is the proof:

From DejaNews archives:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=322838283

Subject:      SCOTTY'S LAST DATE HAD FOUR STOMACHS! (was Re: Doc
Tavish Is A Jew)
From:         agfilbin@hooked.net (A. G. Phillbin)
Date:         1998/02/07
Message-ID:   <6bgqor$13o$2@was.hooked.net>

In article <34da4f4c.352971581@news.phoenix.net>,
doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:13:40 -0500, Susan Cohen <zenda@smart.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Doc Tavish wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:14:52 -0500, Susan Cohen <zenda@smart.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >John Winslow Brown wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Red <red@rahul.net> wrote in article <99229@!>...
>>> >> > jhertzli@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > We don't want him!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You accept rape-murderers like Joel Rifkin, and you don't want peaceful
>>> >> > intellectuals like Doc Tavish?
>>> >>
>>> >> Remember Joseph is a descendent of those that cried to have Barrabas
>>> >> released, who was also a murderer!
>>>
>>> >Since Jesus himself was a Jew, as was his entire family (you must believe
>>> >this if you believe what else you wrote) then your point (not the one under
>>> >your hat) is moot.
>>>
>>> Why do I get the distinct impression that you smell real nice and nice
>>> smooth legs that I would want to lay my head on?

>>I guess so you could have something stupid to say in order to try to obfuscate
>>the fact that I'm right in the above matter & that you cannot refute me?
>
>Zenda before I bowl you over with my irrefutable answer you have to
>ante up girl. We want you to post a picture of your long sensuous sexy
>legs. Is this too much ta ask? This is being to vulgar is it? I'm not
>demanding full frontal nudity.

A.G. Phillbin did say as archived at DejaNews:
Before Susan sends you any photos of her gams, would you please post
some shots of your short, wrinkled male member? I know that's not
asking for "too much." I'm not demanding that you show us just how
wide your anus is.

		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A.G. first wants to know what a penis tastes like, then he wants to
know if the semen was ingested and now he wants a picture of my penis
and then then comments on my anus! If A.G. Phillbin is NOT a
homosexual then he is definitely inclined in the direction of being
one. Remember that Jeffrey G. Brown likes and admires A.G. Phillbin.

Here is Jeffrey admiring a man that writes "dittys" about another man:

DejaNews archives:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323017596

Subject:      Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie and his Messiah complex
From:         jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date:         1998/02/07
Message-ID:   <jeff_brown-ya02408000R0702981715550001@news.zippo.com>

In article <6bi2c8$t20$1@was.hooked.net>, agfilbin@hooked.net (A. G.
Phillbin) wrote:

> There's an old ditty I learned as a kid in summer camp. It goes like this 
> (imagine bagpipes in the background):
> 
> Hey, McTavish is dead and his brother don't know it,
> His brother is dead and McTavish don't know it,
> Both of them died in the very same bed,
> And neither one knows that the other is dead.
> 
> Well, here is the new a.p.w-p version, dedicated to Scott "who am I today" 
> Bradbury:
> 
> Hey, Doc Tavish is Scott and John Winslow don't know it,
> John Winslow is Scott and G. Schiller don't know it,
> All of them stand in the very same spot,
> And none of them knows that the others are Scott.

That's absolute brilliance, Mr. Phillbin. That should be somebody's
sig in this newsgroup.

JGB

===================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Back to A.G. Phillbin "Acting Up" after he outs himself!

A.G. Phillbin again:
>As far as your offer to take you out to the barn and put a cap in your ass, no thanks. 

The term "put a cap in your ass" is Gangsta for shooting soemone and
has nothing to do with a sexual act. The inference being if I'm that
bad then take me behind the barn and shoot me! You are ignorant of pop
culture aren't you?

>I don't swing that way, but if I 
>did, I know I could do a lot better than you, and I wouldn't even have to work 
>the fag bars -- any panhandler would do. No, I ask all warm-blooded males: 
>what is "normal" about Scotty's approach to members of the female sex?

What is normal about you? I only asked a female to post a picture of
her legs and you ask a male to post a picture of his penis! I notice
that you also call me "Scotty" when that is not my name!

Susan Cohen had earlier said:
>>>>>I guess so you could have something stupid to say in order to try to
>> obfuscate
>>>>>the fact that I'm right in the above matter & that you cannot refute me?

>>I, Tavish, only wanted to see some beautiful (?) female legs:
>>>>Zenda before I bowl you over with my irrefutable answer you have to
>>>>ante up girl. We want you to post a picture of your long sensuous sexy
>>>>legs. Is this too much ta ask? This is being too vulgar is it? I'm not
>>>>demanding full frontal nudity.

The line below is what A.G. Phillbin is upset about. Hell, he said it
not me. I can't help the fact that he is so ignorant that he "outs"
himself in tripping over his own feet to insult me. What normal male,
other than a homosexual, would request to see a picture of another
man's penis and then make a comment about the same person's anus?
Remember that Jeffrey G. Brown admires A.G. Phillbin.

>>A. G. Phillbin openly reveals his homosexual cravings and requests:
>>>Before Susan sends you any photos of her gams, would you please post some 
>>>shots of your short, wrinkled male member? I know that's not asking for "too 
>>>much." I'm not demanding that you show us just how wide your anus is.

>Scotty, boy, I hate to disappoint you, but your homosexual fantasies about me 
>driving down your Hershey highway are just that, fantasies. 

I don't have homosexual fantasies A.G. and that is the problem. You
are trying to transfer your warped and perverted mental attitudes on
me. Remember I talked about having oral sex with women and I wanted to
see women's legs. You on the other hand are the one that posts
questions asking what a penis tastes like and then made a request to
have a penis picture posted. You need counseling A.G.

Lurkers: Just look at his remaining spew and see if you see any
correlation between A.G.'s Act Up rants and me wanting to see a girl's
legs. Remember A.G. Phillbin wrote a ditty he dedicated to me, he
calls me "Scotty", he wants me to post a picture of my penis, he
wanted to know what a penis tasted like and A.G. is admired by Jeffrey
G. Brown! 

>Maybe you 
>should ask John Winslow Brown, or Schiller, or any of the other jizz 
>swallowers you fantasize about to reciprocate "that lovin' feeling." 

There you go back to mentioning "jizz swallowers" just as you made
mention when you allegedly ask Paula Jones concerning Bill Clinton
this: "Can you tell us how it tasted, Paula? Did you swallow?" (In the
post included above titled: "  Re: I know the president's cock ...") 

>Besides, 
>you've had so much tube laid in there that they call your anus the West Texas 
>Pipeline. Besides, after those West Texas steers had their way with you, there 
>is little left for an ordinary man!

See what I mean folks! Remember A.G. Phillbin and Jeffrey G. Brown are
friends. Did you know that Jeffrey G. Brown has tried to defend A.G.
Phillbin? I'll show Jeffrey's warped defense of another warped person
below! Stay tuned!

>>I knew I was always correct about the lefties and their fixation on
>>our dicks. If I post a picture of it will you and your suck buddies
>>leave me alone?

>No, Scotty, I won't leave you alone (no matter how many pictures of that 
>pencil stub you call a penis you post) 

I haven't posted it BUT you have requested it or has your diseased
mind already forgot?

>, if only because it obviously annoys 
>you to have sexual innuendos thrown in your face, just like you won't leave 
>Susan Cohen or Glenda the Good alone.

They are the ones that follow me around just as you, Jeffrey, Allan
and Gregory do in vain attempts to smear and discredit me.

>What's sauce for the goose is sauce for 
>the gander, even if the "gander" in question is a virginal (at least where 
>women are concerned) adolescent.

>> Jeffrey G. Brown is too bashful to ask for himself as
>>well as Gregory Taylor and Allan Matthews so I guess they put you up
>>to asking for the picture of the legendary "O." I also ASSume that
>>Phillbin and his gang of Sodomites also want to bugger me up the ol'
>>vent pipe because why else would he be interested in my poop shoot
>>(anus for Jeffrey G. Brown)? I guess your lips will be quivering in
>>anticipation won't they? I've always had you "AntiRacists" pegged as
>>fags and now I have definitive proof!

>For someone who doesn't want anyone to be interested in his "poop shoot," you 
>certainly seem to make every effort to show off what an asshole you are.

Like a true lefty your last lines are just a personal attack and
insult.

>>                                Thank you,
>>                                Tavish

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is Jeffrey G. Brown's vain attempt to defend A.G. Phillbin and
his attempt to make me look like a homosexual. Jeffrey combines his
two styles in this one post. He not only snips out all of the major
portion of the text but what is left is out of context snippets
refuted with out of context snippets from my earlier postings. You
will appreciate seeing how his warped mind maniacally tries to
fabricate something from various incongruent pieces. I will supply the
full text at the end so the lurker can compare what I actually said to
what Jeffrey engineered me to "say."

Here is Jeffrey uncut and remember that Jeffrey G. Brown and A.G.
Phillbin are friends!

Archived at DejaNews:

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323069666

From: jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Subject: Must Read! Solid Proof, in His Own Words and By His Own
Standards, That Scott Bradbury Has Homosexual Desires and Interests!
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:11:33 -0500

In article <34dcd8df.159933089@news.flash.net>, Scott "I said it and I
meant it!" Bradbury (doc_tavish@bigfoot.com, phibes@phoenix.net)
wrote:

> dick...

   "If you use speech that homosexuals use then what other 
    conclusion may be drawn?"

                    -- Subject: Re: Why is John Brown homophobic?
                    -- From: Scott Bradbury
                    -- Date: 1997/11/25
                    -- Message-ID:
<01bcf9fe$8c3f4f60$ba871ed1@msn-net>

> suck buddies...

   "It looks rather homosexual to me!"

                       -- From: Scott Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net)
                       -- Subject: Two Thanksgiving Gobblers! (was Re:
                             The Rosenblatt forgeries continue)
                       -- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:29:21 GMT
                       -- Message-ID:
<347445fc.396673315@news.phoenix.net>
                       -- NNTP-Posting-Host: dial30.phoenix.net

> the legendary "O."

   "If you use speech that homosexuals use then what other 
    conclusion may be drawn?"

                    -- Subject: Re: Why is John Brown homophobic?
                    -- From: Scott Bradbury
                    -- Date: 1997/11/25
                    -- Message-ID:
<01bcf9fe$8c3f4f60$ba871ed1@msn-net>

> I also ASSume...

   "It looks rather homosexual to me!"

                       -- From: Scott Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net)
                       -- Subject: Two Thanksgiving Gobblers! (was Re:
                             The Rosenblatt forgeries continue)
                       -- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:29:21 GMT
                       -- Message-ID:
<347445fc.396673315@news.phoenix.net>
                       -- NNTP-Posting-Host: dial30.phoenix.net

> bugger me up the ol' vent pipe... 

   "If you use speech that homosexuals use then what other 
    conclusion may be drawn?"

                    -- Subject: Re: Why is John Brown homophobic?
                    -- From: Scott Bradbury
                    -- Date: 1997/11/25
                    -- Message-ID:
<01bcf9fe$8c3f4f60$ba871ed1@msn-net>

> poop shoot...

   "It looks rather homosexual to me!"

                       -- From: Scott Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net)
                       -- Subject: Two Thanksgiving Gobblers! (was Re:
                             The Rosenblatt forgeries continue)
                       -- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:29:21 GMT
                       -- Message-ID:
<347445fc.396673315@news.phoenix.net>
                       -- NNTP-Posting-Host: dial30.phoenix.net

JGB

=================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The above post is unaltered and here are the snippets that Jeffrey
builds his case on: " dick...  suck buddies... the legendary "O.".. I
also ASSume...  bugger me up the ol' vent pipe... poop shoot..."

All of the above snipped from a reply to a person who is Jeffrey G.
Brown's ally and had requested a picture of my penis! Jeffrey won't do
this to A.G. Phillbin because "birds of a feather flock together."

Review of what A.G. said and my reply in its proper context:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323006670

Subject:      Must Read! Solid Proof, in Their Own Words, That
Anti-Racists Have Homosexual Desires and Interests! (was Re: Doc
Tavish Is A Jew)
From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Lord Cyril Haversham McTavish)
Date:         1998/02/07

On Sat, 07 Feb 98 05:16:35 GMT, agfilbin@hooked.net (A. G. Phillbin)
wrote:
>In article <34da4f4c.352971581@news.phoenix.net>, 
>doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:

[ ... ]

I, Tavish, only wanted to see some beautiful (?) female legs:
>>Zenda before I bowl you over with my irrefutable answer you have to
>>ante up girl. We want you to post a picture of your long sensuous sexy
>>legs. Is this too much ta ask? This is being too vulgar is it? I'm not
>>demanding full frontal nudity.

A. G. Phillbin openly reveals his homosexual cravings and requests:
>Before Susan sends you any photos of her gams, would you please post some 
>shots of your short, wrinkled male member? I know that's not asking for "too 
>much." I'm not demanding that you show us just how wide your anus is.

I knew I was always correct about the lefties and their fixation on
our dicks. If I post a picture of it will you and your suck buddies
leave me alone? Jeffrey G. Brown is too bashful to ask for himself as
well as Gregory Taylor and Allan Matthews so I guess they put you up
to asking for the picture of the legendary "O." I also ASSume that
Phillbin and his gang of Sodomites also want to bugger me up the ol'
vent pipe because why else would he be interested in my poop shoot
(anus for Jeffrey G. Brown)? I guess your lips will be quivering in
anticipation won't they? I've always had you "AntiRacists" pegged as
fags and now I have definitive proof!

				Thank you,
				Tavish
	
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does the full context of what I posted bear any resemblance at all to
the bastardized version that Jeffrey G. Brown posted in his desires to
defend his "friend" A.G. Phillbin?

Rather than post the full text of the out of context snippets Jeffrey
used for his out of context version of what I posted I'll provide the
clickable links so the lurker may click to see what I had actually
said, all in the name of truth of course. I will show the statement in
its proper context!

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=292648947

 "If you use speech that homosexuals use then what other 
    conclusion may be drawn?"

                    -- Subject: Re: Why is John Brown homophobic?
                    -- From: Scott Bradbury
                    -- Date: 1997/11/25
                    -- Message-ID:
<01bcf9fe$8c3f4f60$ba871ed1@msn-net>

I said the above to Jeffrey G. Brown in context:

Jeffrey G. Brown <jeff_brown@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<jeff_brown-ya02408000R2411972154110001@news.zippo.com>...
> In article <01bcf93c$66253640$b9431ed1@msn-net>, Scott "I'm not Scott
> Bradbury!" Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

[I said both portions of text. Tavish]
			
> > As for me being gay; you're full of it. I'm not the one running around
> > calling other grown men names such as "Bobbykins" or "Scottie."
					      ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
Homosexuals use such "pet" names as these that you use!
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
then it is a duck. If you use speech that homosexuals use then what
other conclusion may be drawn?

{A proper reply to a mentally disturbed pervert that refers to other
men with names as Jeffrey G. Brown does! Tavish 2/9/98}

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  "It looks rather homosexual to me!"

                       -- From: Scott Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net)
                       -- Subject: Two Thanksgiving Gobblers! (was Re:
                             The Rosenblatt forgeries continue)
                       -- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:29:21 GMT
    Message-ID: <347445fc.396673315@news.phoenix.net>

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Can't find the post above in DejaNews but I found this post from the
same date and notice the topic!

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=291072341

Subject:      Jeffrey's Delusions #2 (was Re: More assertions for
Bobbykins to run away from...)
From:         doc_tavish@nospam.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date:         1997/11/20
Message-ID:   <3474b557.425184207@news.phoenix.net>

On 20 Nov 1997 20:03:18 GMT, fleissman@nospam.mailers.com (David
Fleissman) wrote:

>In article <jeff_brown-ya02408000R1911972101410001@news.zippo.com>, 
>jeff_brown@bigfoot.com says...

>>In article <64uv7d$72e$9@smarti2.smartworld.net>, Scott "I'm not Scott
>>Bradbury!" Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

How many different places have you seen Bradbury?

>>> I want anyone to rationally prove that this is not
>>> a homosexual using a name such as Bobbykins.

>>Let's see... Bradbury has demonstrated:

>You haven't proven that your calling Whitaker "Bobbykins" isn't homosexual. 

He sure hasn't and going by his standards this must mean that he is
lying!

>You directly dodge the issue. This is just a simple point that could be ironed out if you 
>would only be truthful about your intents. Why do you call him "Bobbykins" which 
>is a homosexual type of pet name? Why do you keep ducking this issue! This 
>speaks volumes of you as a person too!

>>  - a complete lack of any courage in his convictions;
>>  - the utter inability to take responsibility for his own words;
>>  - the use of forged posts to smear those who disagree with him; and,
>>  - the consistent use of sexual innuendo in place of actual argument.

No body needs to prove anything to you Jeffrey because you are
irrelevant!

>Nobody has to smear you psycho; you do this deed grandly all on your own.

>>How is it that he is entitled to demand anything -- especially rationality
>>-- from anyone?

>>> [...deletia...]

>>> I declare to all: Jeffrey G. Brown is a self denying
>>> closeted homosexual and this is why he is so vicious
>>> because of his misery. Out yourself Jeffrey and stop
>>> living lies like a peter puffing coward!

>>... says Big Brave Bradbury from behind yet another of his forged user IDs.

>Well, I'm not Bradbury and I say that what he said has considerable merit to it!

I'm the one that he calls Bradbury but I go along with what was said
above about Jeffrey being vicious, self denying and closeted....

>>
>>   "Name calling only makes you look like a chronic boob to
>>    those who know better!"
>
>Like you calling Whitaker "Bobbykins" all the time as well as calling Bradbury 
>"Scottie"; all very reminiscent of a homosexual personality!

Well said. I guess making up little names like "Bobbykins" isn't done
with the intenet of demeaning someone's name! Jeffrey would never do
that because he is a perfect Politically Correct Liberal.
 
>>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>>                         -- Subject: Statistically Speaking: Tavish is Still 
>>                              Correct as Always & Only People W/O Answers
>>                              Name Call!
>>                         -- Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 20:26:12 -0600
>>                         -- Message-ID: <32F54CC4.1759@phoenix.net>

I see that Brown still has to resort to the ol' cut-and-paste trick.

>>> We know that you want to give us blow but I would whack
>>> you across your skull with a baseball bat if you were
>>> to ever approach me with your vibrasonic lips!

I would have said quivering lips instead of vibrasonic. Vibrasonic
sounds mechanical.

>>   "False accusations and personal insults shows how desperate you are."
>
>That didn't look like a false accusation to me. It looked like a statement of policy 
>or consequences. You should try to do better if you are just going to 
>cut-and-paste; which makes you look like a terrorist or something. Don't you have 
>any ideas of your own or are you that big of a cretin that you have to be a parrot 
>and belch other's words?

>>                         -- From: Scott Bradbury
>>                         -- Subject: Ken Barnes Lies!
>>                         -- Date: 1997/06/09
>>                         -- Message-Id: <339CADC1.239@spam.not.net>
>>
>>JGB
>
>Are you a warped homosexual stalker? It sure looks like you keep files on people 
>too! This is a rather unhealthy devotion that you have.

I think that Jeffrey is a sick and pathetic stalker myself. I had to
report him to his ISP because he kept e-mailing me against my wishes.
He does not respect other people's rights at all.

	Doc Tavish (A victim of Jeffrey The Stalker for 9 months!)

>>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com     

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

One only needs to check DejaNews to see the legions of posts in which
Jeffrey G. Broiwn has used " Poor ol' gutless Scottie ..." in the
title to see that he has a fixated and warped mind.

					Doc Tavish    

BTW Never forget that Jeffrey G. Brown and A.G. Phillbin are allies
and friends. "Birds of a feather flock together."

	~~~~~~~~~ End of Proof Post~~~~~~~~~

Click to see how many times Jeffrey G. Brown has spammed USENET with
his "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie..." titles:

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

Try viewing his author's profile at DejaNews to see how all he does is
harass people time and time again:

http://x4.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

If anyone is really interested in Jeffrey G. Brown's repeated spam for
using the same out of context quotes 100s of times then just use the
DejaNews search engine to enter key words form the misquoted ones
above or click this link to select from nine more that he has abused:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1

If you have made it this far and you really wish to know the type of
stalker Jeffrey G. Brown is then notice in the link above the first
out of context quote he used is:

#1

>   "...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
>   telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
>   always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>

I actually said verifiable in DejaNews archives as applied properly in
its proper context of usage:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318232635.4

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am
not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the
debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying
by the tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person
and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!"

				- Doc Tavish -

Also:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324858208.2

[...]

"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and
the hecklers not being able to prove their point other than scorn or
ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and
I hope that you learn from it!  This is my original- "If I hear
something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate
and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the
tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the
truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!" "
	
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If one were to search the key words of Jeffrey's abuse of my words at
Dejanews and the key words being used are:

I examine manner of the debate and conduct Statistics Concerning
Homosexuals

Words from the text and subject title. Does anyone wish to guess how
many times Jeffrey has deliberately quoted out of context and how many
times I have pointed this out to him? Here is the DejaNews link so
anyone interested may scroll through a great multitude of posts!

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=I+examine+manner+of+the+debate+and+conduct+Statistics+Concerning+Homosexuals&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

The first page of 1 to 20 shows Jeffrey G. Brown 17 times out of 20
and the page shows 300 hits for the key words. "Matches 1-20 of 
about 300"

If someone has been told about the dishonesty of doing this and they
continue then what does this say of his character? He not only does
this to me but he does to a few others as well. (They can present
their own cases to The People's Court).









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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Spams and Uses Insults In His Subject Titles - I.E. Re: Lyin' Bob drools again
Date: 1998/03/09
Message-ID: <350334a0.94422380@news.phoenix.net>
X-Deja-AN: 332077971
References: <19980308165400.LAA00837@ladder02.news.aol.com> <19980308211801.QAA19614@ladder03.news.aol.com> <jeff_brown-ya02408000R0803981635420001@news.newsguy.com>
Organization: Charter Communications
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:56:25 CST
Reply-To: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:35:42 -0500, jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <19980308211801.QAA19614@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>rwhita8200@aol.com (Lyin' Bob Whitaker) wrote:
>
>>  All white groups are banned.

>"All white groups are banned"? What, exactly, is this supposed to mean,
>Bobbykins? _Which_ white groups are "banned"? _Who_ does the banning?
>
>And most importantly, _why_ do you continue to tell such transparent lies?
>
>JGB
>
>====================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Anyone have an idea how many times Jeffrey G. Brown has used the
insulting "Lyin' Bob..." in a subject title?

Click this link for DejaNews:
[I used the OLD archive]

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G.+Brown%2C+Lyin%27+Bob&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see 1-20 of about 600 on the first page.
Anyone care to guess how many of these are the work 
of Jeffrey G. Brown?

Notice how Jeffrey likes to needle people and call them by names that
aren't their own. Bob's name is NOT "Bobbykins"- anyone care to guess
how many times Jeffrey has call Bob "Bobbykins?"

DejaNews using key words: Jeffrey G. Brown Bobbykins

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G.+Brown+Bobbykins&ST=QS&CT=&DBS=2&defaultOp=%26&svcclass=dnold&maxhits=20&showsort=score&format=terse&filter=%7Bdb96q2+%7B%7B%7Ec+%7B%23*%23+%26%21+%28sex+%7C+jobs%29%7D%7D%7D%7D+%7Bdb97p2+%7B%7B%7Ec+%7B%23*%2|�
�PqI���
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��Pq6Pq

The above doesn't look clickable but it is what I got using the key
words! I saw using the OLD as I did for the above:
"Matches 1-20 of about 900"

You will see such titles:

Bobbykins shows his true col  alt.politics.white-po Jeffrey G. Brown
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=287777976
"Are you that kind of religious nut, Bobbykins?"
  
Watch Bobbykins Squirm (was: alt.politics.white-po Jeffrey G. Brown
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=287296987
>    China did not invent guns.

Sorry, Bobbykins, but you're not going to revise your way out of this
one. Your original assertion was:

  "The Chinese, for example, did not invent gunpowder."

You have yet to either admit that you were lying or provide evidence
that a prior civilization _did_ invent gunpowder.

Choose one or the other, Bobbykins.

JGB

	~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

Jeffrey's entire manner of dealing with others is only scarcely
scratched as I have advised- one only needs to look at his DejaNews
author's profile to see that Jeffrey G. Brown is NOT about debate or
discussion he is about slander, insulting, needling and harassment.

Click here to see how he spammed Bob Whitaker five times with the same
out of context quote:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=278631566

He hides behind numerous news posters to hide his real ISP. The header
from this very post ( I am replying to) only shows:

Path: typhoon.texas.net!nntp.texas.net!24.0.0.25.MISMATCH!
newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!
pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!jeff_brown
From: jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Lyin' Bob drools again
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:35:42 -0500
Organization: none
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Do any of you see a real ISP? No you won't find one at all. This true
gutless coward hides behind:
news.newsguy.com
jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-639.newsdawg.com

BUT he is actually <jgbrown@earthlink.net>

Jeffrey likes to call me "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie" but look at what
he set up to snipe at his victims!

Here is proof that this guy is who I say he is and 
how vindictive he is:

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=317736547

Subject:      Jeffrey G. Brown E-Mailing Me Again! (was Re: testing
123...) .....
From:         doc_tavish@deleteme.bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Date:         1998/01/20
Message-ID:   <34c4f35b.2099747@news.phoenix.net>

The following should be proof to all that Jefffrey G. Brown is
mentally unbalanced. He is violating his policy and yet he persists!
What can be said of Jeffrey G. Brown other than he is mentally
disturbed, he's a stalker, he does not respect other people's rights,
and violates the rules of fair play? I thank you again Jerffrey G.
Brown for giving me the ammo that I need!

The following is the letter I just sent abuse@earthlink.net and it
contains Jeffrey's persistence of being obnoxious. I don't think
Jeffrey has a leg to stand on now!

I am posting this and the others as encouragement for all those that
have been stalked and hounded by mentally warped Jeffrey G. Brown. I
have submitted DejaNews links that show examples (to Trevor 
Hawthorn) all of Jeffrey's snipings while hiding behind his fortified
wall of defense. Let Jeffrey G. Brown persist in being defiant and
proud but we all know about Pharoah and his pride and we all know that
"Pride goeth before the crash." Thank you Jeffrey G. Brown for yet
another piece of viable evidence!

					Doc Tavish

............................................................................................................

From: "Doc Tavish" 
To: <abuse@earthlink.net>
Subject: Jeffrey G. Brown E-Mailing Me Again! (was Re: testing 123...)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:18:54 -0800
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Trevor, I thought we had it established that this stalker wasn't to
e-mail me again! If this does not prove to EarthlinkNet that
jgbrown@earthlink.net is mentally disturbed then I don't know what
will! Notice that Earthlink is in the headers as well as psi.net.

Here is Jeffrey G. Brown's latest:

Return-Path: <jeff_brown@bigfoot.com>
Received: from bftoemail10.bigfoot.com (bftoemail10.bigfoot.com
[208.156.39.200])
	by voyager.c-com.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11860
	for <s@phoenix.net>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:03:27 -0600 (CST)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:46:09 -0500
From: jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
To: doc_tavish@bigfoot.com
Subject: testing 123...
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----------
> From: Jeffrey G. Brown <jeff_brown@bigfoot.com>
> To: doc_tavish@bigfoot.com
> Subject: testing 123...
> Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 6:46 PM
> 
> Is this email address for real, Gutless One?
> 
> JGB
> 
> ===================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is what happened before and you acted on it! Am I going to have
to get a court order to have this god damned son of a bitch stopped!?
I am not mad at you personally or Earthlink.Net for that matter and I
know that you have an ordeal dealing with complaints and free speech
matters BUT his free speech ends when he violates my rights. 

This is a brief review (with clickable link to DejaNews):

Click here to see post that details his ISP and my correspondence as
well as Jeffrey's defiant tone.

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=277477418

Here is a brief sample; but you all should see the whole document!

Subject:  Re: Scott Bradbury -- Lying Again
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:24:00 -0400
From: "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeff_brown@bigfoot.com>
To: morbius@phoenix.net
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5

>Do not e-mail me again Brown!

Sorry... I don't take orders from lying cowards. When I feel the need
to send you email, you'll get email.

JGB

====================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

	---------------------- END ----------------------

 Jeffrey likes to call me a gutless coward because I won't post using
my real e-mail address BUT he sure doesn't go by the same standards
that he dictates!

Look at a typical Jeffrey G. Brown header:

Path: news.smart1.net!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!
cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!
newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!
zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!jeff_brown
From: jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism
Subject: Poor ol' gutless Scottie, still hazy on this bothersome
'responsibility' thing...
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:40:25 -0500
Organization: none
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Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya02408000R1801982340250001@news.zippo.com>
References: <34c2d266.1497407759@news.smart1.net>
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Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0
Xref: news.smart1.net alt.politics.white-power:26065
alt.politics.nationalism.white:16606 alt.revisionism:37137

You see that he uses a bigfoot.com e-mail address which lets him
filter out all of his victims from every getting through.
You also see an NNTP-Posting Host: p-588.newsdawg.com as well
as  zippo.com as the source in the path statement.

All of this is the hypocrite's wall of protection that he, himself,
can hide behind and harass others that he disagrees with and they
can't touch him! 

Jeffrey G. Brown is actually jgbrown@earthlink.net and you would never
be able to tell it from the arrangement he has set up!

	
 ==================================================
 Trevor Hawthorn                       . .         |
 Network Abuse Administrator      _O_/     .       |
 EarthLink Network, Inc.         / |       =SPAM=  |
 3100 New York Drive              / \      ______  |
 Spam Hotline 1-888-ELN-SPAM     /   \    |______| |
 spam@earthlink.net - abuse@earthlink.net  ||||||  |
 ==================================================


His ISP maybe reached at:
Network Abuse <trebone@earthlink.net>
and his name is Trevor Hawthorne.

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I leave Jeffrey G. Brown to The People's Court. Do you all think he
"plays fair" or do you all see him as a vindictive stalker that has as
his only pleasure is to stalk, needle, and harass people?

Don't forget to click these links to see his dealings with me!

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

Try viewing his author's profile at DejaNews to see how all he does is
harass people time and time again:

http://x4.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

If anyone is really interested in Jeffrey G. Brown's repeated spam for
using the same out of context quotes 100s of times then just use the
DejaNews search engine to enter key words form the misquoted ones
above or click this link to select from nine more that he has abused:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1



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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Jeffrey Still Butchers Posts and Quotes Out Of Context- How Pitiful! (was Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie explains to us how to recognize him for what he is)
Date: 1998/03/09
Message-ID: <35034502.98617880@news.phoenix.net>
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Organization: Charter Communications
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Reply-To: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.usenet.kooks,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:09:11 -0500, jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <34fefb5a.436317783@news.smart1.net>, Scott "I never seem to
>tire of making an ass of myself" Bradbury (doc_tavish@bigfoot.com,
>phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

You are a fine one to be saying: "I never seem to
tire of making an ass of myself" and applying it to me. You're the one
that stoops time and time again with your highly snipped up posts and
out of context quotes. You don't think that this is indicative of a
psychological condition. You have to change the meaning and direction
of another person's words so you can attack him? As far as I know you
are the pioneer of this technique BUT your two followers are sarting
to walk in your foot steps! You are the one that calls me a "Gutless
Coward" but you are the one that won't comment on a post that is even
left reasonably intact. You are truly desperate Jeffrey and I am going
to fill DejaNews with replies such as this and crosslink them with
each other so that when others are browsing then they will be able to
click away and see how pitiful you are in your contrived "debates."

.................................................................................................

>> You are truly a cowardly and sick warped person!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> I guess it is possible
>> that in God's Eyes you just may be more wicked than Adolf!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> You show how warped and demented that your conscience is by that very
>> stupid logic!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
> You sound just like a "Nazi!"
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> As for the organs- they will never
>> become human beings you blind and ignorant jerk!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> You prove that even
>> though you have been born and have at least thirty years of
>> development you still haven't developed into a human being!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> Allan you will always be a mentally twisted and demented apologist for
>> baby killers.
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> You are vermin!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> Simply put, Allan Matthews is the worst form of filth on Earth.
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> As much as this bastard likes calling others Nazis; even the Nazis
>> outlawed abortion which puts them levels above this cowardly 
>> son of a bitch.
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> Eat shit, choke on it and die Matthews- you are revolting!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."

Jeffrey you are achieving a new low for yourself. You are now quoting
out of context YOUR out of context quote in an article that is out of
context. The article that you are replying to no longer has it's
original subject title and you have instead crafted: "Poor ol' gutless
Scottie explains to us how to recognize him for what he is" as a new
title. You are truly amazing and you are truly a USENET SCUM [TM].

If you say that I am attacking you for telling all that read this post
that you are USENET SCUM[TM] then you don't know a truthful and
concise description when one is made!

I will attach below what you have butchered and the full version of
what you have quoted out of context as in your: "[T]he liar always
attacks the opposing person..."

>
>JGB
>
>====================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Look again at the above and then compare Jeffrey's version to below
and be honest with yourselves- do you see any connection other than
the few words Jeffrey left are contained below. Rember I will put the
misquote in proper context and then all will decide who the liar is:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331841243

Subject:      Matt Pillsbury Proven to Only Slander <Re: Scott
Bradbury--Winner of a 20+ BI?> and Use Out of Context Quotes!
From:         doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Date:         1998/03/08
Message-ID:   <3501ec76.10400104@news.phoenix.net>
Newsgroups:   alt.politics.white-power,alt.usenet.kooks,talk.abortion,
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:01:52 GMT, Pillsy@see.sig.edu (Matt Pillsbury)
wrote:

>In <01bd486f$6ebd2060$34bd40d1@msn-net>, "John Winslow Brown"
><brown25@DELETEME.hotmailed.com> sez:
>
>Following your own posts up, eh? Oh well, it's kind of amusing
>watching the last throes of your net.death.

You may be the one in the throes of net death Matt when all of your
lies and treachery come to full light among the right people! So don't
be laughing to soon!

>>John Winslow Brown <brown25@DELETEME.hotmailed.com> wrote in article
>><01bd486b$4944fb40$34bd40d1@msn-net>...
>>> Click the following "Author's Profiles" from DejaNews to really get a
>>>grasp at the mental state of the apologists for infanticide.
> 
>>> Matt Pillsbury:
 
>> http://x10.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=Pillsy@see.sig.edu%20

>>This is an interesting read. You can really see the workings of a warped
>>and demented mind at work:

Which I shall prove when I show That Matt Pillsbury has adopted
Jeffrey G. Brown's art of quoting out of context. The following will
be put in its original context and all will see Pillsbury for the con
artist he is!

>	Matt, I've noticed that all you can do is make personal 
>	attacks and insults. What's the matter- can't refute the hard 
>	and cold truth?
>		--"John Winslow Brown" in 
>		<01bd43e0$6e978140$5b79f1cd@msn-net>

Notice how Matt uses the quote above. I said that in reply to this
very post in which all he did was make personal attacks and insults:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331420696.1

[...]


http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=329345502.1

Subject:      John Winslow Brown--YAD Glue-Sniffer
From:         Pillsy@see.sig.edu (Matt Pillsbury)
Date:         1998/02/28
Message-ID:   <34f86da0.580150051@news.newsguy.com>
Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism,talk.abortion

[Notice in the subject title all Matt can do is make personal attack!]

[...]

On 28 Feb 1998 00:23:22 GMT, "John Winslow Brown"
<brown25@DELETEME.hotmailed.com> wrote in
<01bd43e0$6e978140$5b79f1cd@msn-net>:

>Matt Pillsbury <Pillsy@see.sig.edu> wrote in article
><350021ca.560736496@news.newsguy.com>...

>> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:02 GMT, doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
>> (Gunther Schiller) wrote in <34f6e85a.72151637@news.smart1.net>:
 
[...]

Matt Pillsbury's synapses short out and he blurts:
>> Wow, "Tavish". Another data point that proves that the White
>> FucKKKhead Brigade is composed of illiterates. It's the best
>> explanation I've come up with for the fact that "Doctor" Pierce sells
>> any copies of _The Wanker Diaries_ at all.

> [...]

>Matt, I've noticed that all you can do is make personal attacks and
>insults. What's the matter- can't refute the hard and cold truth?

Cold, hard truth? 

What would that be? That the total IQ of the anti-Semitic drags of
alt.politics.white-dickheads and alt.revisionism wouldn't reach into
double digits? Not only can I not refute that truth, I revel in it.

>Here is what Matt made the "highly intelligent" reply to and by all means
>compare his reply to the content of the original post. 

That you didn't recognize it indicates that you are, in fact,
predictably illiterate. 

If you are, in fact, distinct from "Doc Tavish", which is a somewhat
dubious premise.

[...]

>On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:36:55 -0500, allan_matthews@bigfoot.com (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:

>>>What do you think occurs during abortions Allan?

>>I'm not apologizing for supporting abortion rights, Scottie.  All your 
>>whining won't change that.

>If you don't apologize for abortion rights then how do you explain:
>---" Why, then, should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use
>of a woman's uterus?"

He didn't say he didn't "apologize for abortion rights." He said that
he isn't apologizing for *defending* abortion rights. The difference
would be clear if your brain weren't dribbling out your nostrils
because of all the glue you sniff.

>>>The babies are mangled the majority of times. 

>>Clearly Scottie doesn't understand the simple differences between a fetus 
>>and a baby.  Perhaps if he actually had ever had a baby he'd understand 
>>this difference.

>What does the attached picture show Allan? It shows a 21week old baby

Ahem. There is no "attached picture". There is a URL which shows what
is allegedly a 21 week premie. If you want to believe a blatantly
pro-lie, pro-violence, anti-Semitic site like holywar.org.

[...]

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Note that pro-abortionists mostly rely on name calling and smear- they
can't support their support for crimes against humanity.

[...]
	~~~~~~~~~~~~ End of Archive Post~~~~~~~~~~

Any honest person can plainly see that what I said and what Pillsbury
dishonestly quoted out of context was a sensible reply to all of his
smear and slander!

Now back to his post and my further exposing Pillsbury as a slanderer
and liar. Notice below he uses the same out of context "words" to
attack me and notice that he had snipped what I said. He only shows
what I said "You prove that even though you have been born and have at
least thirty years of development you still haven't developed into a
human being!" out of context too! I will restore what Matt distorted
to its proper context and you will see that he was making a diversion
for one of his fellow apologists for abortion- Allan Matthews!

>>You prove that even though you have
>>been born and have at least thirty years of development you still haven't
>>developed into a human being!

I've already shown this in context but notice how Matt uses it again
in a false way!

>	Matt, I've noticed that all you can do is make personal 
>	attacks and insults. What's the matter- can't refute the hard 
>	and cold truth?
>		--"John Winslow Brown" in 
>		<01bd43e0$6e978140$5b79f1cd@msn-net>
>
>Stupid hypocrite.

Yes Matt you are because I am exposing your lie! You are stupid to
think that you can get away with using out of context quotes and not
being called to task on it!

I now enlighten everyone on the restoration of:
>>You prove that even though you have
>>been born and have at least thirty years of development you still haven't
>>developed into a human being!

and now restore your distorted version on which you attacked me with
another out of context quote! Here goes- watch how easy it is to show
Pillsbury to be a slanderer (and a liar too!):


http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325439799

Subject:      Re: Rabbi reasons - Not G-d's Will for Non-Jews to be
Fruitful & Multiply? (Serious! This is What They Think of Us?) Non-Jew
NOT Fully a Man?

[...]


..................................................................................

Here is Allan Matthews' again on abortion and his comments on God:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=296164002
[Link within link.]

---" Why, then, should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use
of a woman's uterus?"

---"God?  What would we want with a God? "

---"Keep your silly "god" stuff to yourself, Booby."
	.......................................................

[...]

Subject:      Re: Similarity between communists and nazis
From:         "John Brown" <brown25@DELETEME.hotmail.com>
Date:         1997/11/02
Message-ID:   <01bce73c$aa1fdc40$35bd40d1@msn-net>

Allan Matthews <allan_matthews@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<MPG.ec087de4316405298969a@news.shore.net>...
> In article <34569b7f.181399259@news.wcg.net>, bostick1@southern-mail.com 

> >They were not born in the conventional sense of the word. 
 
> What did they do?  Pass through their mothers' noses or something?

In your case Matthews you were born through the asshole!

<snip>
 
> >Babies have been born premature well into the time
> >range of legal U.S. abortions. 

Allan Matthews on the defensive:
> Anti-abortion propaganda.

I guess the above statement could be taken to mean that you are an
Abortion Apologist! More babies have been aborted in the USA than Jews
killed in all of Hitler's Concentration Camps! I guess it is possible
that in God's Eyes you just may be more wicked than Adolf!

>I've heard of a very few babies being born 
> around 24 weeks (that's almost six months), which is on the very edge of 
> the Roe-Wade cut off.

Don't play dumb Matthews. Late term abortions go way beyond that! You
need to look into partial birth abortions too and see what you are
promoting you Nazi you!
 
> >Documentaries ahve been made showing
> >the development on the baby and one such example is PBS's The Miracle
> >of Life. I have two copies and it would serve your interests to obtain
> >you a personal copy from PBS. You will realize just how wrong you are!
 
> Gee, babies develop from a single cell!!  That proves they are alive!  
> Not very logical, are we.

Yes, we all start somewhere Herr Doktor Mengele Matthews!
 
> Here's a question for you.  It is a legal fact in this country that you 
> cannot compel me to give you use of one of my organs, say a kindey, for 
> example, even if it's the only way for you to stay alive.  Why, then, 
> should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use of a woman's 
> uterus? 

You show how warped and demented that your conscience is by that very
stupid logic! You sound just like a "Nazi!" You've reduced an unborn
baby to being just a parasite. As for the organs- they will never
become human beings you blind and ignorant jerk! You prove that even
though you have been born and have at least thirty years of
development you still haven't developed into a human being!

As for your last assinine statement:
"Why, then, should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use of
a woman's uterus?" 

Again, you sound like a "nazi!" If a woman has these rights to do
with her body as she wishes then why can't she do drugs or be a
prostitute? Ask yourself that! Civilization has always set limits for
behaviour. With you saying that an unborn child has no rights I have
concluded that society is ailing seriously. Have you ever noticed that
since the taking of unborn life has been made "legal" that there now
exists a general disrespect for life in general? You are too pagan to
understand such concepts. I wasted enough time with you! I will 
move on!
 
> allan

		~~End of Archive Post For Context~~

Back to Pillsbury's current sham:

>[300 or so lines of irrelevancy snipped.]

These are the documented facts that Matt Pillsbury chooses 
to run from and now attacks me instead!

Click here to read:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331171829

>>Their own words people but watch them attack me personally and/or chop up
>>the post or even cancel it as they have been known and proven to do!
>
>Attack you for it? It's actually quite satisfying to watch you kick
>your Breidtbart Index through the ceiling.

>>Jews are definitely apologists for abortion. There is no denying this fact.

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331171829

>>Look at all of the material posted above. It is overwhelming.

>You really do have an unhealthy obsession with the JOOS, you know.

If they are aggressively in abortion politics and have a pro-abortion
stance then the people have a right to see exactly what they have been
saying. Evidently toy don't want the knowledge known!

>Have you considered psychotherapy to help you deal with it?

I see that you still can only name call Matt. Is this what you are
learning at Brown University?

To see Jeffrey G. Brown's similar capers in which I expose him for his
nine out of context quotes just click to see why Matt Pillsbury and
Jeffrey G. Brown have so much in common.

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1

What does all of this prove about Matt Pillsbury and Jeffrey G. Brown?
This proves that they will use out of context quotes because they
don't have anything else! They are truly running on empty.

Here is Matt and Jeffrey together "laughing" over how they "hurt" me
with their out of context quotes!

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331265117

Just a few lines of Jeffrey G. Brown having immense pleasure in
knowing that he is quoting me out of context. No one can prove
otherwise that Matt and Jeffrey operate on the personal attack and
smear mode.

Jeffrey G. Brown lies:
"You think that's an example of poor ol' gutless Scottie's hypocrisy?
Get a load of these:"

Jeffrey then uses none out of context quotes to make a persoanl
attack. He now finishes up with:

Quite a collection of self-indictments from the Gutless One, eh?

JGB

[As I said, I put the out of context quotes to their true meaning in:
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1 
I just wonder how ignorant they think the rest of the people are when
they attempt these blatant and slanderous hijinxs? Gunther Schiller]

===================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


>--
>Matt Pillsbury    "Nazi Punks! Nazi Punks! Nazi Punks!
>pillsy@brown.edu  Fuck Off!"
>                         --The Dead Kennedys

This post before I replied to it (original form):

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331234940

BTW I nominate both Matt and Jeffrey for a permanent UDP.

	~~~~ End Of My Original Post ~~~~~~


Please notice how I posted the links to the original posts that my
opposition made and that I did NOT "edit" their posts but left them
intact. Do any of you see Jeffrey G. Brown doing any of these
courtesies?

Now for the true words instead of Jeffrey's:
"[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1
Titled: " Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context Nine
Times in One Post. How Desperate Can He Be?"

Look again at the above and then notice that he has chopped it even
more form his former bastardized version.

>   "...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
>   telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
>   always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>

I actually said verifiable in DejaNews archives as applied properly in
its proper context of usage:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318232635.4

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am
not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the
debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying
by the tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person
and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!"

				- Doc Tavish -

Also:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324858208.2

[...]

"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and
the hecklers not being able to prove their point other than scorn or
ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and
I hope that you learn from it!  This is my original- "If I hear
something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate
and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the
tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the
truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!" "
	
	            ~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

I fairl ask all reading this post- has Jeffrey G. Brown demostrated
that he has attacked my premise of has he demonstrated that he has
attacked me? How can this be taken any differently especially when he
uses out of context material to "reply" to using out of context
quotes.

I declare my nomination that Jeffrey G. Brown get a permanent UDP!

Here are more spams and attacks against me by declared stalker Jeffrey
G. Brown:

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

Try viewing his author's profile at DejaNews to see how all he does is
harass people time and time again:

http://x4.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

If anyone is really interested in Jeffrey G. Brown's repeated spam for
using the same out of context quotes 100s of times then just use the
DejaNews search engine to enter key words form the misquoted ones
above or click this link to select from nine more that he has abused:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1



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Subject: Still More Slander and Out of Context Posts From Jeffrey G. Brown (was Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie still can't keep his lies straight) ..
Date: 1998/03/09
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On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:37:36 -0500, jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <34ff0892.439703164@news.smart1.net>, Scott "I get so confused
>after a long hard day of lying about everything in sight" Bradbury
>(doc_tavish@bigfoot.com, phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:43:22 GMT, ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> 
>> >Gunther Schiller <doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> >Yo!  Dumbshit!  There's no such thing as a "post natal abortion".
>> 
>> Just a play on words baby killer.

Why don't you apply the smae out of context quote to Ray Fischer
Jeffrey? He did address me as: "Yo!  Dumbshit!" Me calling him a baby
killer is more fact than fiction- he is an abortion apologist and
abortionists do end the lives of babies. I will also attach the
original post below so others may compare your bastardized version to
the true post! Suit you Jeffrey? I know you are for honesty!

>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."

Now you are quoting out of context your original out of context quote.
What is wrong Jeffrey?

>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> Ray, one only needs to read your "Author's Profile" at DejaNews and
>> they will see that your infanticidal ravings are quite bigoted toward
>> the innocent unborn.

>'Fraid not. The "Author's Profile" at DejaNews tells only how many posts an
>individual has made to various newsgroups. There's no indication of the
>content of said posts.

Oh but do tell. The Author's Profile links them to all of their posts
exclusively and then lets people browse all of their post quite
handily. I will give the click link to your Author's Profile Jeffrey
and open you up to wide open scrutiny. Don't you want people to see
all of your posts and your countless "Poor Ol' Gutless Scotties" which
will prove that you have a sick mind? Here goes:

Jeffrey's Author's Profile:

http://x9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

once you get there just click on the individual news group links and
then psychoanalysis Jeffrey!

You can click these links as well and see how many posts he has made
with "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie..." in the subject title. This is very
indicative that he is obssessed with me and that he needs help.

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

He has misquoted one of my quotes 187 times and has posted it.
As a documented example just click this link to see how he quoted me
out of context numerous times in one post!

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331288525.1

Click here to see me exposing him on misquoting nine phrases:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1


Now back to Jeffrey G. Brown again:
>Poor ol' gutless Scottie is going to have to improve the quality of his
>lies if he expects them to have any effect other than making an ass of
>himself.

Yeah, uh huh.

>> [...deletia...]
>
>> You're a brave son of a bitch Ray...
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> Click here to see:
>> 
>> http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328995751.1
>> 
>> Brief sample:
>> 
>> "B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations
>> that have made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied
>> around women's right to choose abortion."
>
>And we have it on no less an authority that Poor Ol' Gutless Scott Bradbury
>himself that "pro-choice" isn't the same thing as "pro-abortion". So we are
>left to ponder why he keeps reposting web page excerpts in a vain effort to
>support a viewpoint that he himself has repudiated.
>
>JGB
>
>========================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Jeffrey's post as archived at DejaNes before I replied:

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331995060
Subject:      Poor ol' gutless Scottie still can't keep his lies
straight
From:         jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Date:         1998/03/08

See, I have nothing to hide! Why won't Jeffrey G. Brown, who calls me
a Gutless Coward, do likewise? Is this because he knows down deep he
can't ever win in a "fair debate" or is he really emotionally
disturbed and doesn't realize that others see his behaviour? Who
knows? Who cares?

Here is the post as it was before Jeffrey's standard mode of
bastardization.:

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331187754.1

Subject:      Gutless Coward Ray Fischer Has Been Very Active
Promoting the Decimation of Human Life in the Womb! <>
From:         doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Date:         1998/03/05
Message-ID:   <34ff0f21.441381994@news.smart1.net>


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:43:22 GMT, ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>Gunther Schiller <doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:

[...]

>>>> B'nai B'rith claims to be the
>>>>largest Jewish organization in the world and it supports abortion.

>>>Supports the _option_ of abortion, which makes them pro-CHOICE.

>>Do you support the post natal abortions the Nazis did in Germany?

>Yo!  Dumbshit!  There's no such thing as a "post natal abortion".

Just a play on words baby killer.

>> They
>>aborted (as claimed by Jews) 6,000,000 people.

>Go away, bigot.  Come back when you have something other than your
>hate-spew.

Ray, one only needs to read your "Author's Profile" at DejaNews and
they will see that your infanticidal ravings are quite bigoted toward
the innocent unborn.

Click here to see what ol' gutless baby killer Ray is all about:

http://x3.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=ray@netcom.com%20

You'll see that Ray Fischer has spewed his infanticidal hatred all
over. Just a brief sample:

Author: ray@netcom.com 

�16903 unique articles posted.
�Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups (slightly skewed
by cross-postings): 

�9261 talk.abortion 
�2056 alt.abortion.inequity 
�1466 alt.abortion 
�448 talk.politics.misc 
�359 alt.feminism 

You're a brave son of a bitch Ray to protect the skewering and the
tearing of limb from limb in a womb as you do! Looking at the above I
can see that you are more than just a casual promoter of this crime
against humanity. Perhaps when the legal system gets reformed we will
see people like you having to answer for their promtion of this
infanticide. Remember Julius Streicher did not kill one Jew but he
snapped at the end of a rope none the less for his propagandizing
"genocide."

>-- 
>Ray Fischer      The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious 
>ray@netcom.com   encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without 
>		 understanding.    -- Louis Brandeis

Here is a typical Ray Fischer apologia for abortion post:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331002704

Subject:      Re: OPEN LETTER TO ANTI-CHOICERS!  How does abortion
hurt you?
From:         ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Date:         1998/03/05
Message-ID:   <rayEpC2rK.Dtr@netcom.com>
Newsgroups:   talk.abortion

MartyBegan <martybegan@aol.com> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>When the "sidewalk" becomes the doors to a clinic or the driveway of a
>>clinic.
>
>Ill give you the swing of the doors, but if a driveway crosses a side walk, its
>public.

And "public" happens to include people trying to enter the clinic.
Anti-abortion demonstrators have no right to deny other people access
to public or private property.

-- 
Ray Fischer      The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious 
ray@netcom.com   encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without

		 understanding.    -- Louis Brandeis

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Seeing how Ray used "anti-abortion" in a negative manner in the
statement: "Anti-abortion demonstrators have no right to deny other
people access to public or private property" ; I can only conclude
that Ray is Pro-abortion which is the exact opposite of
"anti-abortion."

Here are some more "pro-abortion" people:

Click here to see:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328995751.1

Brief sample:

"B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations
that have made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied
around women's right to choose abortion."

" Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be
protected as a potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not
a bar kayamah (a viable, living being), thus, it is not accorded any
of the rights or privileges of a human being."

"In Jewish law, one is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent
of taking the attacker's life should one's own life be in jeopardy.
This point was brought into the discussion on abortion when some
authorities in the Talmud challenged the prohibition stated above, of
the taking of the life of the now fully human child in order to save
the life of its mother. It was argued that the principle of the
aggressor ought to apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with
intent to kill one should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the
fetus whose greater portion had already emerged."

All of the above comes from Jewish websites and 
if you click this link:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328995751.1

you will see all of the above and more and in their own words! All
sites are clickable for verification purposes. You owe it to
yourselves to see how enormous this monstrous crime against 
humanity is!

				Gunther Schiller

Here are Ray's two fellow infanticidal apologists:

Matt Pillsbury:

http://x10.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=Pillsy@see.sig.edu%20

Bruce Forest:

http://x1.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=bruce@funkynassau.cv.net%20

BTW Bruce Forest likes to cancel his opposition's posts. I guess he
knows he can't win other than silencing the opposition. A truly
gutless coward!

Two examples of two posts that he cancelled that were mine!

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=329344719

and e-mail:

I got this letter from Bruce Forest:

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From: bruce@funkynassau.cv.net (Bruce Forest)
To: doc_tavish@bigfoot.com
Subject: Re: Even Nazis Outlawed Abortion Allan BUT You Approve of It!
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Your post of binaries has been cancelled and your name added to the
cancelbot.

Have a nice day.

In article <34f6e394.70929624@news.smart1.net>,
doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com wrote:

> Allan you will always be a mentally twisted and demented apologist for
> baby killers. You can imply I'm a Nazi all you wish BUT the fact is
> you are pro-death which is the opposite of pro-life!..........

[...]

	~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~

I challenge anyone to go to DejaNews and find my original post as
witnessed in Forest's e-mail to me as a verification that it did exist
at one time! 

Try to find this:
Subject: "Even Nazis Outlawed Abortion Allan BUT You Approve of It!
(was Re: "Sieg Heil" Scottie throws another hissy fit) - smhead1.jpg
(1/1)"

You will not be able to and imagine the arrogance of Bruce Forest
e-mailing me that he cancelled my post!

BTW Pro-death radicals; I archive on the local level in full knowledge
that this level of backup would be handy!

Expect many more posts.

	~~~~~~ End of My Original Untouched Post~~~~~

There you have it folks! Who is more honest and open? Who has made
every effort to show things for what they are? Who provides clickable
links so all may verify what is posted with minimal effort? Who lets
other's posts stay more or less intact?

I'll let fair minded individuals judge me for I am not afraid!

				Gunther Schiller

BTW, Jeffrey G. Brown accuse me of being a coward for using a
pseudonym BUT if you all have had him stalk you for a year would you
want to post your real identity? Click the links above and you will
see what I am talking about regarding Jeffrey G. Brown!

Anyone wishing to report Jeffrey's abuse amy do so by contacting:

 ==================================================
 Trevor Hawthorn                       . .         |
 Network Abuse Administrator      _O_/     .       |
 EarthLink Network, Inc.         / |       =SPAM=  |
 3100 New York Drive              / \      ______  |
 Spam Hotline 1-888-ELN-SPAM     /   \    |______| |
 spam@earthlink.net - abuse@earthlink.net  ||||||  |
 ==================================================


His ISP maybe reached at:
Network Abuse <trebone@earthlink.net>
and his name is Trevor Hawthorn.

Jeffrey G. Brown is actually jgbrown@earthlink.net. Don't let his
numerous "amen corners" in his headers fool you. Here is proof:
[Look at the very very last line! Trevor Hawthorn is well aware of
Gutless Coward Brown too! Trevor needs to hear from Jeffrey's other
victims as well!]

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=277477418

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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Even More Slander and Smear From Out of Context Jeffrey G. Brown (was Re: More self-analysis from poor ol' gutless Scottie)
Date: 1998/03/09
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Organization: Charter Communications
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On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:50:55 -0500, jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

Jeffrey's demeaning subject title:
"More self-analysis from poor ol' gutless Scottie"

The original subject title he is replying to:
"Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context in Another Post.
How Desperate Can He Be?"

For verification so no one can accuse me of snipping out one word of
Jeffrey G. Brown's dishonesty- here is the DejaNews link to his exact
original post which is this one that I am replying to now.

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332090187

I find it rather hypocritical that Jeffrey G. Brown's only way of
response is to snip up and bastardize whole posts and then use out of
context quotes to reply to and out of context "post." One should ask
themselves wht would Jeffrey G. Brown be driven to do this and wonder
why he is the one that refers to others as "Gutless" hundreds of
times!

>In article <350329ae.91620606@news.phoenix.net>, Scott "I sure pegged
>myself, didn't I?" Bradbury (doc_tavish@bigfoot.com, phibes@phoenix.net)
>wrote:

The original post that I made and before Jeffrey G. Brown bastardized
it is at DejaNews under this click link:

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332070465
"Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context in Another Post.
How Desperate Can He Be?"

Notice that the post below is a severe distortion of my original post.
I supplied DejaNews click links etc. to prove EVERY instance that
Jeffrey G. Brown does this sort of a sham in order to smear and
discredit people. I only ask fair minded people to read what Jeffrey
G. Brown quotes me as saying and then read what I really said and
posted. Remember: I did not delete any of his words BUT he deletes
mine. I provided click links to all posts quoted- he doesn't! What
does this tell any reasonable person?

>> If A.G. Phillbin is NOT a
>> homosexual then he is definitely inclined in the direction of being
>> one. 
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>   
>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>
>
>> [...deletia...]

Notice how he uses his [deletia]? How desperate of a person can this
be? Also click this link to see how he has now modified his original
out of context quote to a different one seeing how I instructed
lurkers on how to use the search engine at DejaNews using key words to
see how many times he quoted out of context. The original out of
context quote was used about 300 times! Now he alters it to stymie any
future counting. All documented and dated- just a click away:

http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332090188

Partial excerpt:

Now for the true words instead of Jeffrey's:
"[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1
Titled: " Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context Nine
Times in One Post. How Desperate Can He Be?"

Look again at the above and then notice that he has chopped it even
more from his former bastardized version.

>   "...I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is
>   telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar
>   always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>                         -- Scott Bradbury <tavish@phoenix.net>
>                         -- Subject: Statistics Concerning Homosexuals
>                         -- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:57:05 -0600
>                         -- Message-ID: <32D40A21.1A4D@phoenix.net>

I actually said verifiable in DejaNews archives as applied properly in
its proper context of usage:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318232635.4

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am
not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the
debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying
by the tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person
and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!"

				- Doc Tavish -

Also:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324858208.2

[...]

"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and
the hecklers not being able to prove their point other than scorn or
ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and
I hope that you learn from it!  This is my original- "If I hear
something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate
and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the
tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the
truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!" "
	
	            ~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~

Now back to Jeffrey G. Brown's latest lie and smear:
[See below his sig line]

>> I haven't posted it BUT you have requested it or has your diseased
>> mind already forgot?
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> You will appreciate seeing how his warped mind maniacally tries to
>> fabricate something from various incongruent pieces. 
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> I've always had you "AntiRacists" pegged as
>> fags and now I have definitive proof!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> {A proper reply to a mentally disturbed pervert that refers to other
>> men with names as Jeffrey G. Brown does!
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>> I think that Jeffrey is a sick and pathetic stalker myself.
>
>   "[T]he liar always attacks the opposing person..."
>
>JGB
>
>====================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'



For future DejaNews archives searchers- here are links to more of
Jeffrey's shenanigans:

A MUST READ!
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332110293

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331561235

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331578560.1

............................................................................

Jeffrey caught deceiving by deletion of key words!
My reply to him.
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330992689

Jeffrey's original distortion before my reply:
http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330985375

The post that Jeffrey distorted just above as it originally 
was made as reply (for the records):
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330936130

The original and more detailed post on Jewish views on abortion:
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330801642

.................................................................................

From two of the four above, I'll show Jeffrey in action! I will only
show the shorter versions. I will show my reply first and then
Jeffrey's replying while quoting me completely out of context. See if
you can spot the deception.

Here goes:

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330936130
"Re: Susan "Zenda" Cohen Can Only Name Call..."

On 4 Mar 1998 20:26:01 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:

>>Subject: Susan "Zenda" Cohen Can Only Name Call BUT She Can't Defend The
>>Indefensible! (was Re: More Lies from Bigots
>>From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
>
>>
>>Susan, B'nai B'rith is pro-choice which says that it is pro-abortion! 

>No is doesn't - it says they are pro-choice. You simply infer what you want.
>Pro-choice is pro-choice. Pro-Abortion is not pro-choice.

You're right; "pro-abortion" is not "pro-choice" but abortions are the
result of those that are "pro-choice." How many pro-choice people are
anti-abortion?

	~~~~~~ END OF MY ORIGINAL REPLY ~~~~~~

Now Jeffrey's version of what I said:

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=330985375
"Subject:  Poor ol' gutless Scottie finds out what a 'petard' is..."

In article <34fe1e5b.379734806@news.flash.net>, Scott "Gosh, it sure
is great to be a hypocritical bigot!" Bradbury doc_tavish@bigfoot.com,
phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

> Jewish Community Relations Council
> 
> http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
> 
> "JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
> are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
> Congress."
> 
> "Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC
> opposes legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek
> to weaken the guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive
> services."
> 
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Their own words people!�

   "You're right; "pro-abortion" is not "pro-choice"..."

 -- From: Scott Bradbury (doc_tavish@bigfoot.com)
 -- Subject: Re: Susan "Zenda" Cohen Can Only Name Call BUT She
Can't  Defend The Indefensible! (was Re: More Lies from Bigots
      -- Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:46:54 GMT
      -- Message-ID: <34fe03af.372905429@news.flash.net>

Poor ol' gutless Scottie's own words, people...

JGB

	~~~~ End Of Jeffrey's Version of What I Said ~~~~

Need I say more? This guy is filling the archives with deliberate
gross distortions of what I say. He uses out of context quotes in his
out of context replies after changing the subject title to a demeaning
one.

Here is a quote that Jeffrey has misquoted ~300 times. Do any of you
believe that it could just possibly apply to him?

http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318232635.4

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am
not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the
debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying
by the tactics employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person
and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise!"

I ask again: Who has to snip out other people's words, who has to use
out of context quotes and who usually starts their post with a
demeaning subject title and a demeaning commentary of the intended
victim in the fields that show the from and date at the top of the
post?

I sincerely nominate Jeffrey G. Brown for a lifetime palcement at
NetScum[TM] and that his provider take actions for his abuse of other
private citizens. The contact:

http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328667509

Subject:      Earthlink Responds! Re: P&TL pooper
From:         jeanne <tljohnst@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU>
Date:         1998/02/25
Message-ID:
<Pine.SUN.3.96.980225183210.20370D-100000@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU>
Newsgroups:   news.admin.net-abuse.email

Just in...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:15:16 -0800
From: Network Abuse <trebone@earthlink.net>
<SNIP>
Subject: Re: Your PORN SPAMMER, prnter@earthlink.net

This user has been dealt with as in accordance to the EarthLink
Acceptable Use Policy.  Thank you.

http://www.earthlink.net/company/aupolicy.html

Trevor Hawthorn
Network Abuse Administrator
EarthLink Network, Inc.

At 05:15 PM 2/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Please... LART this luser!
>(see posts after PORN SPAM for info that it *is* your luser)
[snip]


Trevor Hawthorn   3100 New York Drive, Pasadena, Ca    
Network Abuse Administrator     Spam Hotline 1-888-ELN-SPAM
|EarthLink Network, Inc.    "It's your internet."                |

                 spam@earthlink.net - abuse@earthlink.net

                http://www.earthlink.net/company/legal.html   

......................................................................................


Policy statement has in it:
2.10. Disrupting any newsgroup with frivolous, excessively vulgar, or
repetitious postings."

Jeffrey hasn't been vulgar but he does post frivolous posts such as
all of these distortions and the the repetition of the same.

I.E.

Read Jeffrey G. Brown's DejaNews Author's Profile:

http://x9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

once you get there just click on the individual news group links and
then psychoanalysis Jeffrey!

You can click these links as well and see how many posts he has made
with "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie..." in the subject title. This is very
indicative that he is obssessed with me and that he needs help.

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

He has misquoted one of my quotes 187 times and has posted it.
As a documented example just click this link to see how he quoted me
out of context numerous times in one post!

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331288525.1

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I do all of the above to have on record the method of smear that
Jeffrey G. Brown has used for one year against me. I have made it a
point to have these posts DejaNews indexed to each other for the
benefit of other victims whether present or future. I also want a
consolidated group of evidence in the form of clickable links to fwd
to his provider <EARTHLINK.NET> and Mr. Trevor Hawthorn.

I am being stalked by Jeffrey G. Brown and he has yet been brought to
justice by his ISP. I also hope that the USENET community will take
note of Jeffey's activities and see that all he is about is smear and
deception.

I now leave this post in The People's Court.



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From: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Hell Hath No Fury Like a Woman (or a homosexual stalker) Who Has Been Shunned. (was a homosexual sounding title:  Poor ol' gutless Scottie still can't keep his lies straight)
Date: 1998/03/10
Message-ID: <35049ea9.187117338@news.phoenix.net>
X-Deja-AN: 332492088
References: <34f640a9.29216176@news.smart1.net> <34fe0761.373852194@news.flash.net> <rayEpBz2B.AJJ@netcom.com> <34fe436d.389226153@news.flash.net> <rayEpC2oA.DE9@netcom.com> <34ff0892.439703164@news.smart1.net> <jeff_brown-ya02408000R0803981237360001@news.newsguy.com> <35034d4c.100740107@news.phoenix.net> <jeff_brown-ya02408000R0803982225300001@news.newsguy.com>
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:14:23 CST
Reply-To: doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com
Organization: Charter Communications
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.usenet.kooks,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc


On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:25:30 -0500, jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G.
Brown) wrote:

>In article <35034d4c.100740107@news.phoenix.net>, Scott "MOMMEEE! Make the
>bad man stop taking the paper bag off my head!" Bradbury
>(doc_tavish@bigfoot.com, phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:

[...deletia...] 

Jeffrey's usual fabrication of evidence excised. All
should know how this creep operates by now!

>> Jeffrey G. Brown is actually jgbrown@earthlink.net.

>Absolutely true, and it's no secret.

Lie # 1 (not counting his psycho fabrications I deleted above):
How come it doesn't show in your headers? Your victims only see:

Path:
typhoon.texas.net!nntp.texas.net!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!
su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!
spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!jeff_brown
From: jeff_brown@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie still can't keep his lies
straight
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:25:30 -0500
Organization: none
Lines: 100
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-ya02408000R0803982225300001@news.newsguy.com>
References: <34f640a9.29216176@news.smart1.net>
<34fe0761.373852194@news.flash.net> <rayEpBz2B.AJJ@netcom.com>
<34fe436d.389226153@news.flash.net> <rayEpC2oA.DE9@netcom.com>
<34ff0892.439703164@news.smart1.net>
<jeff_brown-ya02408000R0803981237360001@news.newsguy.com>
<35034d4c.100740107@news.phoenix.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-533.newsdawg.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0
Xref: typhoon.texas.net alt.politics.white-power:91850

Where is EARTHLINK.NET ever shown? I see your BIGFOOT mail router
which I have and I see your "NNTP-Posting-Host: p-533.newsdawg.com"
and your "news.newsguy.com" BUT I see not one trace of EARTHLINK.NET

> Email me at jgbrown@earthlink.net or
>jeff_brown@bigfoot.com, and you'll get a reply. 

Lie # 2
>Email poor ol' gutless
>Scottie at any of the dozens of fake email addresses he uses, and your
>message will bounce -- guaranteed.

If that is true then how did you e-mail me and then I had to report
you again for violating the EARTHLINK.NET policy against harassing
people with undesired e-mail? How did Bruce Forest get his
cancellation notices through?

Bruce Forest Getting Through as Proof:
http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332039299.1

Homosexual Stalker Jeffrey G. Brown Getting Through:
http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=317736547
and me telling his ISP:
"Trevor, I thought we had it established that this stalker wasn't to
e-mail me again! If this does not prove to EarthlinkNet that
jgbrown@earthlink.net is mentally disturbed then I don't know what
will! Notice that Earthlink is in the headers as well as psi.net.

Here is Jeffrey G. Brown's latest:

Return-Path: <jeff_brown@bigfoot.com>
Received: from bftoemail10.bigfoot.com (bftoemail10.bigfoot.com
[208.156.39.200])
	by voyager.c-com.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11860
	for <s@phoenix.net>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:03:27"

		~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~

The above proves that you got through in January 98
psycopathic stalker! I feel embarassed for Trevor Hawthorn BUT 
I am going to light a fire under his ass again. You are an
embarassment to Earthlink Net with your continuous homo-psycho
stalking and unrelenting harassment of people. I hope to become the
person to get the USENET honour for having your G-d damned ass
silenced!

Trevor Hawthorn   3100 New York Drive, Pasadena, Ca    
Network Abuse Administrator     Spam Hotline 1-888-ELN-SPAM
|EarthLink Network, Inc.    "It's your internet." 
                 spam@earthlink.net - abuse@earthlink.net

                http://www.earthlink.net/company/legal.html   
<trebone@earthlink.net> Trevor Hawthorn

BTW, you are only mad at me and stalk me because I rejected your
homosexual advances you sent through e-mail about 10 months ago. 
Since I replied that I would give you a fat lip if your were to ever
approach me so in public you have been stalking me and calling me
"Scottie" since! How many times have you called me Scottie? How many
times have you called Bob "Bobbykins"? You are bucking for a section
eight!

It was only in October of 1997 that I even I had knowledge to read the
headers and then I filed on you. I never knew who to complain to BUT I
learned. Here is MY STRUGGLE against being harassed by Jeffrey G.
Brown, homosexual stalker.

Proof:

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=277477418

>Now, ask yourself if Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie is _really_ "not afraid"...

Here is homosexual stalker Jeffrey G. Brown telling a Socialist Youth
that just said he wanted to put a bullet in my skull his usual
psychopathic spill about me! Should I not be angry with this
homosexual pervert? Would not any of you be if this bastard was
following you every where you went? He may have free speech 
rights BUT his rights stop when they violate mine!

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=309001900.1

Compare the following to the above and you will see what I mean.

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=308972177

You will see among other things:

Jeffrey G. Brown <jgbrown@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<jeff_brown-ya02408000R1912972233280001@news.zippo.com>...
> In article <349b390c.425482012@news.smart1.net>, Scott "I'm not Scott
> Bradbury!" Bradbury (phibes@phoenix.net) wrote:
> 
> > Adam Levenstein <aml161@email.psu.edu> wrote in article
> > <34993F1A.37516E86@email.psu.edu>...
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > I look forward to the day when I can put a
> > > bullet in your skull.
> > 
> > I, John Winslow Brown, replied:
> > THAT LOOKS LIKE A PERSONAL THREAT AGAINST ME 
> > BOLSHEVIK AND THAT IS ACTIONABLE!

Jeffrey G. Brown steps right up and says: 
> Not likely. A "personal threat" has to be made against a person. "John
> Winslow Brown" is simply another of Scott Bradbury's endless supply of
> non-existent personas, devised for the sole purpose of allowing poor ol'
> gutless Scottie to evade the responsibility that real people assume when
> they speak in public. It's a manifestation of poor ol' gutless Scottie's
> cowardice, nothing more.

Your "poor ol' gutless Scottie" operates the way he does because of
psychopathic kooks such as you and he doesn't feel like being
threatened by all the scum that you stir up! As for the threat, it was
real and it is impertinent as to whether my name is real or not! You
do show the type of character you are by taking sides with someone
that is a self admitted communist and a promoter of revolution. You
had better pray that not one hair on my head gets damaged because law
enforcement will come for you as being an instigator.

[...]

Levenstein's original post in reply to me:
http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=308531507

Be sure to click his link and see how he dreams of a communist
revolution in America! When you do you all will appreciate that I see
my cat's turds as having more worth than Jeffrey G. Brown!

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jeffrey, I swear to you that Law Enforcement does indeed know about
you! Why do you think I've been making all of these archival links
showing the duration that you have been stalking me, libeling me,
"putting me in harm's way" and all the other psychopathic things that
I ahve endured? You are running amuck now but your shit is going to
get you in the end!

>
>JGB
>
>====================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Attention sympathetic lurkers just click these links and you will all
see what I have endured with Jeffrey G. Brown. I would bet that 
USENET has a worse sort of scum than this bastard!

Read Jeffrey G. Brown's DejaNews Author's Profile:

http://x9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=jeff_brown@bigfoot.com%20

once you get there just click on the individual news group links and
then psychoanalysis Jeffrey!

You can click these links as well and see how many posts he has made
with "Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie..." in the subject title. This is very
indicative that he is obssessed with me and that he needs help.

In DejaNews archives under "CURRENT" we see "Poor Ol' Gutless
Scottie.." used many times

Click:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

and you will see that Jeffrey has posted the lion's share of the
ninety four shown at this time!

Clicking on the "OLD" at DejaNews archives:

http://search.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Jeffrey+G+Brown%2C+Poor+Ol%27+Gutless+Scottie&svcclass=dnold&DBS=2&defaultOp=AND&maxhits=20&ST=QS&format=terse&site=dn

we see over 31,000 entries. Just on the first 1 to 20 it was 
Jeffrey G. Brown posting! How many of you actually believe that
Jeffrey's posts contain anything more than childish taunts, false
accusations, personal attacks, and out of context quotes. 
I got up to entry 96 before I saw someone else's name and then Jeffrey
takes over again! I would call this meaningless posting.

He has misquoted one of my quotes 187 times and has posted it.
As a documented example just click this link to see how he quoted me
out of context numerous times in one post!

http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331288525.1

http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=332070465
"Proof That Jeffrey G. Brown Quoted Me Out of Context in Another Post.
How Desperate Can He Be?"

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I need assisstance from all people that have been harassed by Brown.
Get your archived posts from DejaNews with their links and send them
to the e-mail address above! 

					You Know WHO



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From: r_m_apson@bigfoot.com
Subject: I've had it with jtsr-stock@jtsr-stock.com!
Date: 1998/03/14
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I did a lookup of all the sites this slimeball spammed after getting another
message in my PRIVATE mailbox today.  After looking at their website, I had an
idea that may finally get to them.

They have a "public relations" page where you can get stock information by
sending them mailing information in a form.  I figure if enough people gave
them fake addresses and bombarded them with this, we may get somewhere on
this.  In fact, I put together a list of snailmail addresses that could be
used,  from other spam.

I couldn't get the main page to send, so I saved it as an htm file and opened
it later.  Had no problem.  Here it is:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>JT's Restaurant - Public Relations</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY background="chalk.jpg">
<H1><CENTER><IMG align=ABSMIDDLE src="jts1small2.gif"><I>JT's
Restaurants, Inc. </I></CENTER></H1>
<HR>
<H1><CENTER>Public Relations </CENTER></H1>
<H3><CENTER>For the latest information, contact our Public Relations
Department at<BR>
1-888-295-6365<BR>
or<BR>
Fill out the form below to have an investor packet sent to you.</CENTER>
</H3>
<HR>
<FORM ACTION="http://www.cyber-stock.net/cgi-cyber-stock/mailer.pl"
METHOD="POST"><P>
<INPUT NAME="redirect" VALUE="http://www.jtsr-stock.com/thankyou.html"
type="hidden" >
<INPUT NAME="subject" VALUE="Request For JTSR Info" type="hidden" >
<TABLE>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Name :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<INPUT NAME="Name" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="35" SIZE=35>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Address :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<TEXTAREA NAME="Address" ROWS=2 COLS=35>
</TEXTAREA></TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>City:</TD><TD WIDTH=540><INPUT NAME="City" VALUE=""
MAXLENGTH="35" SIZE=35>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>State: </TD><TD WIDTH=269>
<INPUT NAME="State" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="2" SIZE=2><B> Zip Code : <INPUT
NAME="Zip
Code" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="10" SIZE=10>
</TD><TD WIDTH=269></TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Home Phone :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<INPUT NAME="Home Phone" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="18" SIZE=18>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Work Phone :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<INPUT NAME="Work Phone" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="18" SIZE=18>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Best Time to Call :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<INPUT NAME="Best Time To Call" VALUE="" MAXLENGTH="18" SIZE=18>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>E-Mail :</TD><TD WIDTH=540><INPUT NAME="email" VALUE=""
MAXLENGTH="35" SIZE=35>
</TD></TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH=159><B>Comments :</TD><TD WIDTH=540>
<TEXTAREA NAME="Comments" ROWS=5 COLS=50>
</TEXTAREA></TD></TR>
</TABLE>
<P>
<CENTER></CENTER>
<P>
<CENTER> <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Submit"><INPUT TYPE=RESET
VALUE="Reset"></CENTER>
</FORM>
<HR>
<P>
<CENTER>&copy; 1997 - JT's Restaurants, Inc. - All rights reserved.
</CENTER>
</BODY>
</HTML>

And of course, some spammer addresses to use:

JS Enterprises
P.O. Box 278
Clovis, CA 93613
USA
P.O. Box 276 Bellmawr, NJ 0809
701 South Capital of Texas Highway
Suite C-1244
Austin, Texas 78746
USA
TSF Marketing
P.O. Box 4914
Ontario, CA 91761
^^^Travel^^Guide$^^^
16787 Beach Blvd Suite#225
Huntington Beach, Ca.  92647
Precious Times Publications
18551 Chase Street
Northridge, California 91324
B&M Marketing International, 172 Boston
Street, Dept. S1, Coventry, RI 02816
NET-2000
2887 North Green Valley Parkway
Suite #809
Henderson, NV 89014
4676 Commercial St. SE Suite 201
Salem, Oregon 97302
2321 E. 52nd. Box #48
Indianapolis, IN   46205-1469
P.O. Box 72
Peewee Valley, KY   40056-0072
P.O. Box  787
Pullman,  WA    99163
46088-B Larson Beach Road
Loon Lake,  WA     99148
PO BOX 606
Hilton, NY  14468-0606
P.O. Box 335
Midland Park, NJ 07432
Michael Waddell
2245 Peach Ave. #8
Clovis, CA 93612
14341 Inglewood Ave., #183
Hawthorne, CA 90250
1525 Aviation Blvd., Suite 360
Redondo Beach, CA 90278

Just use some fake name along with the address.

If anyone finds info on these dirtbags, pass it along to
r_m_apson@nospam.bigfoot.com


Michael

Annoy a Spammer: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/theantispammer/spam.html

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el$brujo@net$cene.com (�El Brujo!) stuffed this into my newsfeed:

>On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:26:43 -0500, "Sean Burke"
><coolerthanu@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>will u guys shut the fuck up bout the goddamn crossposting!!!  i mean what
>>the hell r u idiots gonna do bout it newayz????  u think dat if u denounce
>>crossposting less people r gonna do it??  of course not dumbasses!!!
>>watch... i'll cross post right now, wit this message!!  what the fuck r u
>>losers gonna do???  hahahahaha!!!!!!!
>>
>Crossposting is a no-no, Sean. So is cascading.
Crossposting is a no-no, Sean. So is cascading.





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From: guy@guy.guy (H. West)
Subject: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
Date: 1998/03/22
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I have a non sex newsgroup (alt.cthulhu.fridge.zool.did-i-mention) small enough 
that the amount of spam rivals the on topic posts, and I need a program to 
retro-moderate it. Upon looking around I did not find a FAQ, so I hope this is 
an ok question.



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From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
Date: 1998/03/23
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barbara@.bookpro.com wrote:
: 
: If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
: someone may be able to help you.

I think he does.
Isn't it in the charter?


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Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
Date: 1998/03/23
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In article <6f4u21$iir@crcnis3.unl.edu>,
Josh Hesse <00093182@bigred.unl.edu> wrote:
>barbara@.bookpro.com wrote:
>: 
>: If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
>: someone may be able to help you.
>
>I think he does.
>Isn't it in the charter?
 
Does Iraq honor the charter, or do they just CLAIM to do so?
-- 
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From: guy@guy.guy (H. West)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
Date: 1998/03/23
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In <352be393.17668530@news1.radix.net>  barbara@.bookpro.com said...
< On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:46 -0600, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
< 
< >
< >I have a non sex newsgroup (alt.cthulhu.fridge.zool.did-i-mention) small enough 
< >that the amount of spam rivals the on topic posts, and I need a program to 
< >retro-moderate it. Upon looking around I did not find a FAQ, so I hope this is 
< >an ok question.
< 
< If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
< someone may be able to help you.

I have no idea what kind of proof you want. I can get people to vouch for me 
from other Cthulhu groups if that would do.

-- 
"And when the smoke cleared away, and I sought to 
look upon the earth, I beheld against the background 
of cold, humorous stars only the dying sun and the 
pale mournful planets searching for their sister."
	- The Crawling Chaos, H. P. Lovecraft

"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling 
me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a 
gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy."
	- H. West



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From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
Date: 1998/03/23
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In article <MPG.f7fd2cd9332271989798@news.idt.net>, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
>In <352be393.17668530@news1.radix.net>  barbara@.bookpro.com said...
>< On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:46 -0600, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
>< 
>< >
>< >I have a non sex newsgroup (alt.cthulhu.fridge.zool.did-i-mention) small
>< >enough that the amount of spam rivals the on topic posts, and I need a
>< >program to retro-moderate it. Upon looking around I did not find a FAQ,
>< >so I hope this is an ok question.
>< 
>< If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
>< someone may be able to help you.
>
>I have no idea what kind of proof you want. I can get people to vouch for me 
>from other Cthulhu groups if that would do.

They're pulling your leg because you have apparently confused despamming with 
retromoderation.

What you should do is see if some of the despammers can clean your group up on 
your feed, but even if they can, if IDT.NET doesn't honor third-party cancels 
or use EMP/ECP filters, you'll still see whatever gets through the systems 
upstream from them.


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In <MPG.f7fd2cd9332271989798@news.idt.net> guy@guy.guy (H. West) writes:

>In <352be393.17668530@news1.radix.net>  barbara@.bookpro.com said...

[...]

>< If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
>< someone may be able to help you.

>I have no idea what kind of proof you want.

A title deed or its equiverlent.

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From: guy@guy.guy (H. West)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
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In <6f56ql$j7l@camel20.mindspring.com>  Michael@xenite.org said...
< In article <MPG.f7fd2cd9332271989798@news.idt.net>, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
< >In <352be393.17668530@news1.radix.net>  barbara@.bookpro.com said...
< >< On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:46 -0600, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
< >< 
< >< >
< >< >I have a non sex newsgroup (alt.cthulhu.fridge.zool.did-i-mention) small
< >< >enough that the amount of spam rivals the on topic posts, and I need a
< >< >program to retro-moderate it. Upon looking around I did not find a FAQ,
< >< >so I hope this is an ok question.
< >< 
< >< If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
< >< someone may be able to help you.
< >
< >I have no idea what kind of proof you want. I can get people to vouch for me 
< >from other Cthulhu groups if that would do.
< 
< They're pulling your leg because you have apparently confused despamming with 
< retromoderation.
< 
< What you should do is see if some of the despammers can clean your group up on 
< your feed, but even if they can, if IDT.NET doesn't honor third-party cancels 
< or use EMP/ECP filters, you'll still see whatever gets through the systems 
< upstream from them.

What I need is a program that will allow me to delete spam manually, as a cancel 
bot wouldn't have any impact on my small group.

-- 
"And when the smoke cleared away, and I sought to 
look upon the earth, I beheld against the background 
of cold, humorous stars only the dying sun and the 
pale mournful planets searching for their sister."
	- The Crawling Chaos, H. P. Lovecraft

"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling 
me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a 
gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy."
	- H. West



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From: ? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
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In <MPG.f7ff2a68568a71198979c@news.idt.net> guy@guy.guy (H. West) writes:

>In <6f56ql$j7l@camel20.mindspring.com>  Michael@xenite.org said...
[...]

>What I need is a program that will allow me to delete spam manually, as
>a cancel bot wouldn't have any impact on my small group.

The problem is we don't trust you.  In fact even if we trusted you we
would not give you such a program.  Such programs are increadbly dangious.

Infact the creator of one the formaly respected Dr Vulis, in time went
some what insain afterwoulds.


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In <890651498.505918@cabal>  dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au said...
< In <MPG.f7ff2a68568a71198979c@news.idt.net> guy@guy.guy (H. West) writes:
< 
< >In <6f56ql$j7l@camel20.mindspring.com>  Michael@xenite.org said...
< [...]
< 
< >What I need is a program that will allow me to delete spam manually, as
< >a cancel bot wouldn't have any impact on my small group.
< 
< The problem is we don't trust you.  In fact even if we trusted you we
< would not give you such a program.  Such programs are increadbly dangious.
< 
< Infact the creator of one the formaly respected Dr Vulis, in time went
< some what insain afterwoulds.

Such programs are readily available, and it's a simple matter to do it manually. 
I'm merely looking for recommendations.

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From: lorrie@araw.mede.uic.edu (Lorrie Wood)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
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	The problem with your request is that the prevailing opinion on 
retromoderation bots (which is a subset of cancelbot) is simply this:

	If you have to ask, you don't know how to write one. If you don't 
know how to write one, you have no business doing so, because you don't know
enough about usenet's internals, both technological and political, to
run it responsibly.

	In short, asking for one is not likely to GET you one. I don't
know how to write one either, by the way.

-- Lorrie

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23 Mar 1998 11:11:38 GMT, ? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:
>
>The problem is we don't trust you.  In fact even if we trusted you we
>would not give you such a program.  Such programs are increadbly dangious.
>
>Infact the creator of one the formaly respected Dr Vulis, in time went
>some what insain afterwoulds.

Non sequitor.  You are assuming that he was sane to begin with.

John
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In article <MPG.f7f786539d7da4198977f@news.idt.net> of alt.config,
Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:46 -0600, guy@guy.guy (H. West) wrote:
>
>I have a non sex newsgroup (alt.cthulhu.fridge.zool.did-i-mention) small enough 
>that the amount of spam rivals the on topic posts, and I need a program to 
>retro-moderate it. Upon looking around I did not find a FAQ, so I hope this is 
>an ok question.

Well, that tends to happen to newsgroups which have been rmgrouped, but 
still hang around on servers anyhow.  They gather virtual cobwebs 
(spam), and don't really serve much of a purpose.  It is quite a shame 
that some news servers haven't cleaned there active files in three 
years.

John
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From: jgalban@hotmail.com
Subject: Cancels in r.a.s
Date: 1998/03/24
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  It occurred to me that some of you might not have noticed what happened
yesterday (depending on how your newsfeed handles cancels), so I thought I'd
give a quick summary.

  Yesterday afternoon about 125 cancels were issued for posts on r.a.s.  The
cancels are listed as being from a net called Erols.  The first fifty or so
were limited exclusively to Larry Laffer posts.  The rest covered just about
anyone who posted a response or comment to one of the flames.  A quick glance
at the cancel list includes : Robert Bass, JRJ, Mark Burkley, Sue, Colin
Bignell, Steve Peltz, Dylan Smith, Hilton Goldstein, and the list goes on.

  Though some of you may applaud the fact that flame related posts were
deleted, realize that someone has arbitrarily decided which posts you will see
and which ones you won't.  This is totally unacceptable in an open forum.

  I urge those with the Internet/Usenet expertise to ferret out this censor.
I've been in networking for many years, but I have little experience in TCP/IP
, Usenet, etc...  I would be willing to assist anyone who is interested in
stopping the person/persons who have censored this NG.

  This cannot stand.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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From: Margy Patterson <margyp@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Cancels in r.a.s
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jgalban@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>   It occurred to me that some of you might not have noticed what happened
> yesterday (depending on how your newsfeed handles cancels), so I thought I'd
> give a quick summary.
> 
>   Yesterday afternoon about 125 cancels were issued for posts on r.a.s.  The
> cancels are listed as being from a net called Erols.This is totally unacceptable in an open forum.
> 
>   I urge those with the Internet/Usenet expertise to ferret out this censor.
> I've been in networking for many years, but I have little experience in TCP/IP
> , Usenet, etc...  I would be willing to assist anyone who is interested in
> stopping the person/persons who have censored this NG.
> 
>   This cannot stand.newsreading

I'm not sure if this is related buy Erols issued a notice to all of it's
users last week stating they would no longer handle relayed mail (trying
to do in the spammers).  Maybe, they are no longer letting news posts
with unverified return addresses through.

Margy



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From: falconer@shell3.ba.best.com (Edward A. Falk)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
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In article <890640609.568382@cabal>,
? the platypus {aka David Formosa}  <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:
>In <MPG.f7fd2cd9332271989798@news.idt.net> guy@guy.guy (H. West) writes:
>
>>In <352be393.17668530@news1.radix.net>  barbara@.bookpro.com said...
>
>[...]
>
>>< If you will please post legal proof of ownership of the newsgroup,
>>< someone may be able to help you.
>
>>I have no idea what kind of proof you want.
>
>A title deed or its equiverlent.

Actually, a charter would do it.  Personally, I'd accept a majority
vote from the regulars in the newsgroup accepting a retromoderator,
but I don't know if there's an official usenet procedure for that.

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From: tskirvin@uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin)
Subject: Re: Need program to retro-moderate my little newsgroup
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orionca@earthlink.net (OrionCA) writes:

>If you have to ask, you shouldn't try.  Check out the Cancel FAQ
>(whose URL I lost in a disk crash a couple of months back.  Any
>helpful readers around here?)

	<URL:http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/cancel.html>

				- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu)
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From: Jennifer Martino <wznegvab@nzrevgrpu.arg>
Subject: Ameritech.net
Date: 1998/03/26
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Ameritech.net is now taking a new aggressive, but slow approach on spam. 

hah.. Let's observe the difference..
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Who is that guy Archangel whose name is all over alt.2600?
http://newbie.darkridge.com/

"The Web Page You Have Reached"
http://www.ameritech.net/users/jmartino/index.html

I like spam in March, how about yo-o-o-o-o-o-u?
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From: jamie@dilbert.ais.net (Jamie Rishaw)
Subject: Re: Ameritech.net
Date: 1998/03/27
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Jennifer Martino (wznegvab@nzrevgrpu.arg) wrote:
: Ameritech.net is now taking a new aggressive, but slow approach on spam. 

I dont understand your article or the point (?)

: hah.. Let's observe the difference..

?

-jamie
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Subject: Re: Ameritech.net
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Subject:      Re: Ameritech.net
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Date:         1998/03/27
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Jennifer Martino (wznegvab@nzrevgrpu.arg) wrote:
: Ameritech.net is now taking a new aggressive, but slow approach on
spam. 

I dont understand your article or the point (?)

: hah.. Let's observe the difference..

?

-jamie
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Systems, Inc.
                    Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240

It does get kinda tricky when one says what they really mean...

The reason I have posted this is because as you may or may not be aware
(But I sure hope so. Since, if I am not mistaken, which I may be,
Ameritech.net gets it's service from ais.net. If I am not mistaken
(about Ameritech.net getting service from ais.net), I guess the apple
DOESN'T fall far from the tree.) Ameritech.net has been penned as
"rogue" (which, I understand what rogue means, just not in this
context.) and a "spam haus." If you search for "Ameritech.net*" as the
subject in Deja News you will find many complaints about this (among
other things..) This was apparently because they lacked an abuse
department and that their techs seem.. uhh.. clueless. I had my own
dealing with them and it took them 2 1/2 months to do anything about the
problem while the very thing I was complaining about was continuing. I
it wouldn't be such an inconvenience to me, I would have changes ISPs
already... 
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Who is that guy Archangel whose name is all over alt.2600?
http://newbie.darkridge.com/

"The Web Page You Have Reached"
http://www.ameritech.net/users/jmartino/index.html

I like spam in March, how about yo-o-o-o-o-o-u?
gwanot2@aol.com, gwano@juno.com, infobiz306@ameritech.net,
garstecki@metro.net, archangl@metro.net, archangl@lopht.com



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From: Susan Gleason <susan_gleason@hp-loveland-om3.om.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Ameritech.net
Date: 1998/03/31
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Jennifer Martino wrote:
> 
> Ameritech.net is now taking a new aggressive, but slow approach on spam.
> 
> hah.. Let's observe the difference..
> --
> NOTE: E-mail address PGP ROT-13 encypted to foil evil spammers.
> 
> Who is that guy Archangel whose name is all over alt.2600?
> http://newbie.darkridge.com/
> 
> "The Web Page You Have Reached"
> http://www.ameritech.net/users/jmartino/index.html
> 
> I like spam in March, how about yo-o-o-o-o-o-u?
> gwanot2@aol.com, gwano@juno.com, infobiz306@ameritech.net
wznegvab@nzrevgrpu.arg



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From: jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
Subject: Greg Deeter's Criminal History
Date: 1998/04/04
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The following information is publically available under the Texas
Public Information Act (formerly called the Texas Open Records Act),
and is presented without comment.  Information about the Act can be 
found at http://www.rcfp.org/tapping/index.cgi?TX

     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net

Greg Deeter's Criminal History
==============================

Criminal History of Gregory Keith Deeter, Harris County, Texas:

MISDEMEANOR:  CASE # 9102969

     Filed 1/22/91 - Charge:  Misdemeanor False Statement. 
     On 3/26/91 the subject entered a plea of Guilty and
     was given 6 months Deferred Adjudication and ordered
     to pay a $200 fine.  On 7/23/91 the Deferred 
     Adjudication was terminated and subject was discharged.

FELONY: CASE # 9416351

     Filed 7/15/94 - Charge:  Credit Card present other - 
     3rd degree felony.  On 5/31/95 the subject entered a
     plea of No Contest and was given 10 yrs Deferred 
     Adjudication and ordered to perform 240 hours of 
     Community Service, to pay restitution in the amount of 
     $70,670.92 ($625.00 per month) to LDDS Metro Media 
     Telecommunication and to forfeit computer equipment.

     On 9/2/97 there was a motion to Adjudicate and a
     warrant issued for this subject's arrest.  On 9/5/97 
     the subject was arrested for failure to abide by his 
     Deferred Adjudication guidelines.

MISDEMEANOR: CASE # 9734984

     Filed 8/21/97 - Charge:  DWI - 1st offense - Class B 
     Misdemeanor.  On 10/21/97 the subject entered a plea of
     guilty and was given a $500.00 fine and a 180 day jail
     sentence, probated for one year.

I have in my possession various documents pertaining to the
above described events.  All have been certified by the
District Clerk of Harris County, Texas and bear the seal of
the District Court.

The documents also reveal the following personal infomation:

Date of Birth:                6/27/68
Place of Birth:               California
Height:                       6'5"
Weight:                       220 lb.
Color of Eyes:                Hazel
Color of Hair:                Brown
Marital Status:               Single
Lived at current address:     8 years
Drivers License No.:          12221577
Employer:                     Diamond Shamrock
Occupation:                   Store Manager (2nd shift)
Length Employed:              7 years
HS Graduate:                  No
Highest Grade completed:      11
FBI Number:                   282518WA6
State ID Number:              TX05306642
Probation Officer:            Ernest Gibson (713-220-8900)




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From: jkramer1@swarthmore.edu (Joshua Kramer)
Subject: Re: Greg Deeter's Criminal History
Date: 1998/04/04
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In article <6g45uu$so3$1@kronos.crosslink.net>, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan) wrote:

>The following information is publically available under the Texas
>Public Information Act (formerly called the Texas Open Records Act),
>and is presented without comment.  Information about the Act can be 
>found at http://www.rcfp.org/tapping/index.cgi?TX
>
>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net


Posting this info is rude and wrong. For doing so, I now think less
of you as a person and reconsider my YES vote.

-- 
Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College.



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Subject: Re: Greg Deeter's Criminal History
Date: 1998/04/04
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I did not intend that my post should influence your vote, but if
you choose to be influenced by it I can't stop you.  Here is some
background that you probably missed:

==========

>Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:24:30 GMT
>Message-ID: <3520537f.19708308@news.swbell.net>
>References: <6fom8m$n7s$2@kronos.crosslink.net> 
><1998033022195200.RAA16064@ladder01.news.aol.com> 
><6fp9fp$s79$5@kronos.crosslink.net>
>Reply-To: Greg@Rec-Collecting-Stamps.Com
>
>Myself, I would not accept your money if it included favors from your
>wife.  But of course I doubt you are married.   If you were she must
>be getting some from the milkman as you obviously do nothing other
>than sit in front of the computer waiting for another chance to slam
>someone.   
>
>Your little party is about over.  
>
>Greg 

==========

After mulling this over for 36 hours, I posted the following (with cc:
to Deeter):

==========

From: jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps
Subject: Apology Required From Greg Deeter
Date: 1 Apr 1998 14:35:46 GMT
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<1998033022195200.RAA16064@ladder01.news.aol.com> 
<6fp9fp$s79$5@kronos.crosslink.net> <3520537f.19708308@news.swbell.net>
Reply-To: jtc@crosslink.net

Greg,

I expect you to insult me.  If I choose to participate in flame wars,
I have to expect that I will be flamed in return.  That's life on the
net.

When you insulted my wife, you went way too far.  I demand and expect
your profound apology within 24 hours.

If said apology is not forthcoming, I will be forced to reveal derogatory
information about you which I have in my possession.  This information
is 100% verifiable.

     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net

==========

This is not about voting.

==========

In article <jkramer1-0404980031120001@d100.mary-lyon02.swarthmore.edu>, 
jkramer1@swarthmore.edu says...
>
>In article <6g45uu$so3$1@kronos.crosslink.net>, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. 
Carrig
>an) wrote:
>
>>The following information is publically available under the Texas
>>Public Information Act (formerly called the Texas Open Records Act),
>>and is presented without comment.  Information about the Act can be 
>>found at http://www.rcfp.org/tapping/index.cgi?TX
>>
>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>
>
>Posting this info is rude and wrong. For doing so, I now think less
>of you as a person and reconsider my YES vote.
>
>-- 
>Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College.




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From: dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk (Doug Weller)
Subject: Re: Greg Deeter's Criminal History
Date: 1998/04/04
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On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:31:12 -0500, in news.groups, Joshua Kramer wrote:

>In article <6g45uu$so3$1@kronos.crosslink.net>, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan) wrote:
>
>>The following information is publically available under the Texas
>>Public Information Act (formerly called the Texas Open Records Act),
>>and is presented without comment.  Information about the Act can be 
>>found at http://www.rcfp.org/tapping/index.cgi?TX
>>
>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>
>
>Posting this info is rude and wrong. For doing so, I now think less
>of you as a person and reconsider my YES vote.

Joshua, I don't blame Jay -- Deeter went too far.

AND -- I think this information is extremely important to anyone who might carry
out financial dealings with Deeter.

Doug



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From: "Danl K" <hidanlk@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Deeter's Criminal History
Date: 1998/04/04
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Joshua Kramer wrote in message ...
>In article <6g45uu$so3$1@kronos.crosslink.net>, jtc@crosslink.net >Posting
this info is rude and wrong. For doing so, I now think less
>of you as a person and reconsider my YES vote.
>
>--
>Joshua Kramer, Student, Swarthmore College.

Well, if I live and breathe, look who is again calling someone else "rude
and wrong"! Have you also reported Jay to his ISP and abuse.net? Which ID
are you using today, Josh? Have you talked to Princeton yet, Josh??
DanlK
(attachment)
---------------------------------------------------------
>-----Original Message-----
>Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 3:43 PM
>Subject: Complaint about a Joshua Kramer

>One of my WWW colleagues forwarded to me your note regarding a Joshua
>Kramer, whose embedded correspondence listed two Princeton addresses.
>I've checked our campus directory and find no Joshua Kramer listed.
>One of the hosts he specifies as a destination, ir.princeton.edu, does
>not exist, or if it does exist, is unknown to the campus network.  The
>other host, cs.princeton.edu, does exist--but there is no account such
>as he names on that system.
>
>If you experience any futher such references from this individual,
>I would be curious to know about it.  Since his other alleged point of
>origin is Swarthmore, I also am copying authorities at Swarthmore,
>given that your note of complaint was addressed to webmaster there
>as well as to our WWW folks.
>
>Rita Saltz
>Associate Director, Information Services
>Computing and Information Technology
>Princeton University






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Jay T. Carrigan wrote:
> 
> The following information is publically available under the Texas
> Public Information Act (formerly called the Texas Open Records Act),
> and is presented without comment.  Information about the Act can be
> found at http://www.rcfp.org/tapping/index.cgi?TX
> 
>      Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
> 
> Greg Deeter's Criminal History
> ==============================
> 
> Criminal History of Gregory Keith Deeter, Harris County, Texas:

How is this relevant to anything we're discussing? Sure, it makes
Deeter look bad, but he already does. Regarding the RCS stuff, people
are supposed to be voting about the issues, not about whether Deeter's
a kook. 

-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Pat Gunn, moderator:comp.sys.newton.announce
comoderator:comp.os.os2.moderated
"You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies." -- Dr Who
http://junior.apk.net/~qc
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From: e@e.com
Subject: INAME: how kill account
Date: 1998/04/16
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Hi,
Somebody can say me HOW to KILL willing an account in @INAME.COM?

Tks!





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From: m.j.fried@-x-x-x.usa.net.invalid (Marty Fried)
Subject: Re: INAME: how kill account
Date: 1998/04/16
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On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:07:35 +0200, while reading comp.mail.misc, I came
across this bit of wisdom written by e@e.com.

>Hi,
>Somebody can say me HOW to KILL willing an account in @INAME.COM?

http://www.iname.com/

...................................
Marty Fried           :   m.j.fried
Marin County, Calif.  :   @usa.net
......................:............
Make me one with everything.  
-Zen monk to the hotdog vendor



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From: sonya1@earthling.net
Subject: Hotmail is closing accounts of free users
Date: 1998/04/19
Message-ID: <6hdecb$aro$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1
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Hotmail is apparently closing the accounts of users who do not sign up for
the mail forwarding service and pay the yearly  fees.

-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading



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From: rdelucchi@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Hotmail is closing accounts of free users
Date: 1998/04/20
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Entirely untrue.

Randy Delucchi (RD3101) Customer Service Director
Hotmail, a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft
(408) 222-7037

In article <6hdecb$aro$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
  sonya1@earthling.net wrote:
>
> Hotmail is apparently closing the accounts of users who do not sign up for
> the mail forwarding service and pay the yearly  fees.
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
>


-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading



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From: aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler)
Subject: Re: Here's a good example of what I meant
Date: 1998/05/10
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In article <EsrFMJ.KF3@unicom.com>, chip@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) wrote:

> [newsgroups deboursified]
> 
> In article <6j5035$742$1@excalibur.flash.net>,
>         Chris Bellomy  <cbellomy@flash.net> wrote:
> >Like this one, for instance?  Or the similarly rational musings
> >of Star Traveler?  I'm a real cancelling machine, all right.
> 
> Yeah, isn't it ironic how the people who whine most loudly about
> censorship are the ones who act most forcefully to silence others?
> It seems that a little bit of open discussion and problem solving
> really scares some folks.
> 

I see none of the ones posting here (for free speech) who have insisted
forcefully for pulling plugs on accounts, or shutting them up, or
cancelling their posts. I'm afraid that's only coming from the group that
is on your side of the fence. It's not coming from the "consumer" side of
the fence, that's for sure.

You've got a weird idea of irony, when all the censorship noise is coming
from the "industry" side of the fence -- who is (at the same time) subejct
to accusations of corruption and cheating customers. It makes it look very
suspicious and like an attempt to cover up illegal activity and sweep it
under the rug.


                          A message
                from the original, one & only
                    --> Star Traveler <--
                    aldeberan@hotmail.com

-- 
If your name is below -- you are either an idiot, liar, useless,
troublemaker or deserve no response -- and as such will get no
further response -- preventing the "flooding" of the newsgroups.

Chris Edmonson <lostsoul@mail.com> [the fool I'm ignoring]
Star Traveler Too <star_traveler@inorbit.com> [the *fake* Star]



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On Sun, 10 May 1998 23:41:14 -0700, aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler)
wrote:

>I see none of the ones posting here (for free speech) who have insisted
>forcefully for pulling plugs on accounts, or shutting them up, or
>cancelling their posts. I'm afraid that's only coming from the group that
>is on your side of the fence. It's not coming from the "consumer" side of
>the fence, that's for sure.

What about Kevin Massey aka Mackdaddy?


>You've got a weird idea of irony, when all the censorship noise is coming
>from the "industry" side of the fence -- who is (at the same time) subejct
>to accusations of corruption and cheating customers. It makes it look very
>suspicious and like an attempt to cover up illegal activity and sweep it
>under the rug.

First of all the person that asked the question about dropping the NGs
was not from the ISP that you keep slamming. He is from Flash.Net the
ISP that you and Roscoe seems to think is a great ISP. So how does
that make it appear that anyone is covering anything up?


Chris Edmonson
\_osTSou\_
_________________________________________

The Mighty Mackdaddy=Kevin Massey.

Kevin Massey is a convicted home burglar,
served time in a Texas Penitentiary and
his wife has been arrested for prostitution.
Is he a credible source? I think not!

Send him lots of SPAM

webmaster@dfw-webmasters.com
macdade@dfw-webmasters.com



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Thanks for your response, Steve. But, hey -- they guy has a UDP out on
you, too. Your posts are going down the drain here in Texas. This guy Chip
has really gone wild overnight. I think he's finally flipped out. Man,
what a weirdo!!

----------


In article <356d1951.5784418@news.alt.net>, boursy@alt.net wrote:

>  the-nope-operative@the-nope-pentagon.com (Yo) wrote:
> 
>  -Yep, this is the message that did it. I guess Chip couldn't take a real
>  -discussion on the merits and the problems with his proposal. And this is a
>  -good reason to check to see if your news server is letting you see what
>  -the "rest of the world" is seeing. That is, seeing what other servers in
>  -Texas see, when they don't allow cancels. This doesn't allow a "censor"
>  -and "despot" like Chip Rosenthal to start going like a Net-Nazi because he
>  -doesn't like the content of your messages. If you have a bad server, it's
>  -about time to get another one. Leave Chip to himself and controlling just
>  -his own server.
> 
>   Well let's start listing the ISPs that reject Mr. Rosenthals brand of
> censorship.
> 
>   During this attempt at censorship Altopia, Earthlink and AOL have
> all been unaffected by any attempts to forge cancels on others posts.
> Any right in Texas that are honest?
> 
>                                     Steve
>                                     news.admin.censorship
> 
>  -
>  -----------
>  -
>  -It sure seems that the following is a content-based censorship move -- in
>  -light of the response to the "changes" that you proposed. I'd say we've
>  -got a real "Net-Nazi" going here with this "Chip Rosenthal". Where do
>  -these Net-Nazis come from?
>  -
>  -----------
>  -
>  -In article <Et4Kw4.GHK@unicom.com>, chip@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) wrote:
>  -
>  -> This message is being emailed to aldeberan@alt.net, with
>  -> copies to abuse@alt.net and the austin.usenet.config newsgroup.
>  -> Any response to this message would best be posted back to
>  -> austin.usenet.config.
>  -> 
>  -> For some number of weeks now, you have invaded our newsgroups with
>  -> excessive postings, massive crosspostings to inappropriate groups,
>  -> and otherwise engaged in abusive behaviour.  Among the other effects
>  -> of your abuse, you have rendered the austin.internet newsgroup
>  -> unusable.  You have long since worn out your welcome.
>  -> 
>  -> Effective immediately, your abuse of the austin.* newsgroups will
>  -> cease.
>  -> 
>  -> This is your one and only notice.  If you will not be a behaved
>  -> guest in the austin.* newsgroups and abide by our guidelines, then
>  -> please remove yourself from these newsgroups.  If you are unwilling
>  -> to do so, you will be removed by the imposition of UDP (Usenet
>  -> Death Penalty) cancels.
>  -> 
>  -> If you wish your guest privileges to continue, then reduce your
>  -> posting frequency to a reasonable level (under five a day), and
>  -> stop cross-posting to excessive and unreasonable newsgroups.  If
>  -> you modify your behavior appropriately, you will be able to continue
>  -> to access these newsgroups without problem.  If, however, you
>  -> persist in your selfish, abusive behavior, then we will be forced
>  -> to take steps to reclaim our newsgroup.
>  -> 
>  -
>  -**********
>  -
>  -And the following was my response just a little while ago to this guy's
>  -"proposal" to create two "classes" of UseNet posters, with a "residency"
>  -requirement. This is definitely an interesting twist on UseNet.
>  -
>  -**********
>  -
>  -
>  -From: aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler)
>  -Newsgroups:
> 
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>  -Followup-To: austin.general,austin.internet
>  -Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:14:38 -0700
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>  -
>  -Followup set to austin.general,austin.internet (for your information).
>  -
>  -There are several points here -- which comes down to -- 
>  -   (1) creating for the first time that I've seen, *two classes* of
>  -       posters (maybe someone else can elighten me on the creation
>  -       of two classes of posters, elsewhere), along with --
>  -   (2) having to verify residence location for qualification of
>  -       your postings abilities (i.e., which "class" of poster you
>  -       qualify to be in), and --
>  -   (3) some serious privacy issues are raised, and --
>  -   (4) setting up mechanisms that favor crooked and cheating ISPs
>  -       (we're talking about Texas.Net here) by making it not possible
>  -       for those cheated to respond adequately and warn others, and --
>  -   (5) creating an "island" mentality, which means the rest of UseNet
>  -       will carry on conversations in the "austin.*" groups without
>  -       the people in the local area even knowing that those postings
>  -       are there (because they subscribe to a local ISP, and if the
>  -       local ISP accepts cancels and if someone is issuing cancels
>  -       for those "outside" posters who exceed the limits).
>  -
>  -
>  -       [in regards to change of language -- draft proposal]
>  -In article <Et0C8w.5L@unicom.com>, chip@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) wrote:
>  -> 
>  -> Subject: General Charter for Austin Newsgroups
>  -> 
>  -> The austin.* newsgroups are chartered to discuss issues related to
>  -> Austin, as well as general discussion by folks in the Austin area.
>  -> 
>  -> People outside the Austin area are welcome to join in the discussion
>  -> as our guest -- so long as they abide by our guidelines.  Guests
>  -> should limit their postings to topics specifically related to
>  -> Austin.
>  -> 
>  -> If you aren't from Austin, please do not include austin.* in your
>  -> posting simply to reach a larger audience.  Instead, use an
>  -> appropriate state-wide or national newsgroup.
>  -> 
>  -> *** Moreover, guests are asked to limit the number of their postings
>  -> *** to a reasonable number (five a day), avoid inappropriate or excessive
>  -> *** cross-posting (particularly when following up to an austin.*
>  -> *** message), and generally desist from "trolling" behaviour.
>  -> 
>  -> There's more.  See the commercial posting policy and abuse policy
>  -> in the following sections.
>  -
>  -Now here is the first time that I know about creating *two classes* of
>  -posters for UseNet and attempting to "censor" based upon the "class" that
>  -the poster is in. This is very interesting. It causes several different
>  -anomalies to occur, all at the expense of the "truly" local Austin poster.
>  -You'll see what those various anomalies are below.
>  -
>  -Of course the first anomaly is that of two classes. But what that brings
>  -with it is the requirement to "test" or "verify" for *residency* -- in
>  -order to determine which "class" of poster you belong in. And then you
>  -will be "censored" according to the "class" you are in. Now, this has got
>  -to be a throwback to the Middle Ages or some "class society, like India or
>  -in Africa. I wouldn't think I would have encountered it here in America,
>  -much less Austin.
>  -
>  -For example, I am totally clueless -- to tell you the truth -- on how
>  -someone would "test" for *residency* on my present post. I suppose someone
>  -who may be much smarter than me could perhaps enlighten me on it. And
>  -absent anyone providing verification, from my post, what my *residency* is
>  --- I think that will prove that one cannot verify according to posting
>  -information. And of course, you all will remember that I said I'm moving
>  -to Texas. Perhaps, I am now in Austin. Do I have to now prove my Austin
>  -residency. And is there a "board of residency" set up for UseNet posters?
>  -Do I also have to submit fingerprints.
>  -
>  -And the other thing that this very seriously questions is one's ability to
>  -post using anonymous handles (aliases, if you will -- or posting
>  -anonymously). This bears upon the "privacy" aspect that is so much on
>  -people's minds these days. If there is a "test for residency" -- then that
>  -means that "anonymous postings" are excluded (or censored in a "different
>  -class of poster", lesser than a "real poster") because of having to meet a
>  -"residency test" and failing to do so.
>  -
>  -Also, this is a proposal that favors a local ISP, who does business in
>  -other cities. This means that any problems that this ISP (specifically
>  -Texas.Net, who is cheating customers and scamming the public) has in other
>  -cities, and any "resulting discussion" from those other cities is not to
>  -be granted to the Austin residents (for their benevolent protection, of
>  -course), and only allowed in those other cities. This means that the
>  -Austin "real residents" can be truly considered a "fiefdom" of Texas.Net,
>  -and truly "protected" from any unsavory material that may want to "leak
>  -into Austin" and pollute those poor hapless minds (at least in the view of
>  -Texas.Net). You see, since posting is "favored" by means of "two classes"
>  -- that means that Texas.Net scamming can continue simply by sheer numbers
>  -of postings and overwhelm the "inferior" class of poster who only has
>  -"five" to his name. Yes, this definitely does sound like a "new chapter"
>  -in "consumerism" for the "locals". It sure does sound like someone is
>  -trying to set up their "fiefdom" just like in the Middle Ages and how they
>  -set up their "city-states." This is so reminiscent of that. How history
>  -repeats itself, even through high-tech means.
>  -
>  -And lastly, just as those city-states and fiefdoms, you have here an
>  -"island mentality" in which you exclude any "corrupting material" from
>  -outside, by means of mechanisms that define "second-class" UseNet
>  -citizens, and then keep your "enclave" pure in thought and speech (at
>  -least on behalf of a scamming Texas ISP, by the name of Texas.Net, whose
>  -is at the bottom of a long discussion about their crooked practices and
>  -scamming the public).
>  -
>  -You end up having a situation in which discussions will still go on in the
>  -"austin.*" groups, but only the "Austin residents" won't see it. The
>  -others, from national news services and others who don't allow cancels,
>  -will continue the longer discussions in the very same groups -- but the
>  -Austin people will be effectively "censored out". And the really *ironic*
>  -thing about this censoring is that the Austin people will be told that
>  -someone else is being censored, when actually what is happening is that it
>  -that the Austin people themselves are being censored by not allowing them
>  -to *view* the discussions that are going on in their very own group. The
>  -discussions will still go on and will still be participated in by others
>  -who have news servers who don't cancel and who allow free speech -- so
>  -they won't stop.
>  -
>  -In the end, it's the poor "Austin resident" who will be "benevolently
>  -protected" by forces bigger than they are. And of course, with the gleeful
>  -assent of Texas.Net, who is happy to keep scamming and cheating the public
>  -within it's own "private enclave" and keep taking the money off the top
>  -and never delivering the service that they sold.
>  -
>  -
>  -
>  -And for other comments --
>  -
>  -> Notice that we haven't placed any restrictions on *what* you say,
>  -> only *how* you say it.  You can say whatever you want, so long as
>  -> you don't abuse the network.  Enforcement of these guidelines,
>  -> therefore, is not a free speech issue.
>  -
>  -On the contrary -- it is most certainly a free speech issue -- because
>  -what you have here is "structural censorship." It's censorship that has
>  -been *built-in* to the infrastructure of the mechanisms you've designed.
>  -When you created two classes of posters, based upon "residency" you've
>  -really taken even a further step down that "structural censorship."
>  -
>  -It's like the Supreme Court redrawing voting district lines because
>  -"structurally" the voters were not allowed a voice. Or by the banks
>  -"redlining" areas in terms of loans, which denied citizens the economic
>  -rights, or courts mandating changes in the school system because the
>  -"structure" was supportive of the "status quo". These are all examples of
>  -how a "structure" can actually cause things to go wrong. And it's very
>  -true with free speech -- in that the "structure" can either "censor" or
>  -"promote" free speech. You've got a structure of "censoring" free speech.
>  -
>  -
>  -
>  ->     - If your posting belongs in more than one newsgroup, do NOT
>  ->       re-post your message multiple times to each group.  That's
>  ->       spamming.  Instead, use "cross-posting".  To do this, just
>  ->       list all of the newsgroups on the Newsgroups: line, separated
>  ->       by commas (but no spaces).  When you cross-post, your message
>  ->       gets transmitted just once (thus conserving our precious
>  ->       natural resources like electrons and disk space), but appears
>  ->       in all of the newsgroups that you selected.
>  -
>  -And here is another spot of contradiction. On the one hand, crossposting
>  -is encouraged, but then on the other hand, you're working to limit posting
>  -and cause people to engage in single posts, spread across multiple
>  -newsgroups. That wastes server space -- yet you want to put into place
>  -"structures" which will actually *cause* that very thing to happen and
>  -will increasingly waste server space. So, I have to conclude that you are
>  -less intersted in saving server space and more interested in censoring for
>  -the "type of messages" that are offending to certain people.

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xx                          A message                            xx
xx                from the original, one & only                  xx
xx                    --> Star Traveler <--                      xx
xx                      aldeberan@alt.net                        xx
xx                                                               xx



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Yeah, Steve -- this is what people really need to pay attention to. Don't
allow some ISP to take away your free speech rights -- by allowing cancels
to go through on their servers. All this guy Chip Rosenthal has
accomplished is to isolate the Austin people from any discussion. Man,
what a censor -- and on the basis of content. See the following --


In article <356a1724.5227333@news.alt.net>, boursy@alt.net wrote:

> prole999@aol.com (Prole999) wrote:
>  -
>  -this was what got star shitcanned. that fag doesn't like you to listen.
>  -
>  -it was canceled from servers. check to see ifyour server does not take
>  -cancelmsg.
> 
>   Fortunately the majority of users are on ISPs that refuse all cancels--
> well over 97% of which are forged.  If you see missing articles sign
> up for with a more respectable ISP.  For ISPs wishing to deal effectively
> with spam as opposed to content censors like Mr. Rosenthal there
> are solutions at:
> 
>   http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet/
> 
>                                      Steve
>                                      news.admin.censorship
> 
>  -
>  -
>  -> From: aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler)
>  -> Newsgroups:
>  -> austin.general,austin.internet,austin.usenet.config,tx.usenet.config,
>  -> dfw.internet.providers,houston.internet.providers,news.admin.censorship,
>  -> alt.privacy
>  -> Subject: Re: List of Austin.* Newsgroups and Related Information
>  -> Followup-To: austin.general,austin.internet
>  -> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:14:38 -0700
>  -> Organization: Universe, Inc.
>  -> Lines: 180
>  -> Approved: God
>  -> Message-ID: <aldeberan-9805171512370001@unicom.com>
>  -> References: <Et0C8w.5L@unicom.com>
>  -> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4
>  -> Xref: news austin.general:92573 austin.internet:15989 
>  -> austin.usenet.config:2092 tx.usenet.config:438 
>  -> dfw.internet.providers:25414 houston.internet.providers:21527
>  -> news.admin.censorship:64261 alt.privacy:37437
>  -> 
>  -> In article <aldeberan-9805171512370001@unicom.com>, aldeberan@alt.net
>  -> (Star Traveler) wrote:
>  -> 
>  -> Followup set to austin.general,austin.internet (for your information).
>  -> 
>  -> There are several points here -- which comes down to -- 
>  ->    (1) creating for the first time that I've seen, *two classes* of
>  ->        posters (maybe someone else can elighten me on the creation
>  ->        of two classes of posters, elsewhere), along with --
>  ->    (2) having to verify residence location for qualification of
>  ->        your postings abilities (i.e., which "class" of poster you
>  ->        qualify to be in), and --
>  ->    (3) some serious privacy issues are raised, and --
>  ->    (4) setting up mechanisms that favor crooked and cheating ISPs
>  ->        (we're talking about Texas.Net here) by making it not possible
>  ->        for those cheated to respond adequately and warn others, and --
>  ->    (5) creating an "island" mentality, which means the rest of UseNet
>  ->        will carry on conversations in the "austin.*" groups without
>  ->        the people in the local area even knowing that those postings
>  ->        are there (because they subscribe to a local ISP, and if the
>  ->        local ISP accepts cancels and if someone is issuing cancels
>  ->        for those "outside" posters who exceed the limits).
>  -> 
>  -> 
>  ->        [in regards to change of language -- draft proposal]
>  -> In article <Et0C8w.5L@unicom.com>, chip@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) wrote:
>  -> > 
>  -> > Subject: General Charter for Austin Newsgroups
>  -> > 
>  -> > The austin.* newsgroups are chartered to discuss issues related to
>  -> > Austin, as well as general discussion by folks in the Austin area.
>  -> > 
>  -> > People outside the Austin area are welcome to join in the discussion
>  -> > as our guest -- so long as they abide by our guidelines.  Guests
>  -> > should limit their postings to topics specifically related to
>  -> > Austin.
>  -> > 
>  -> > If you aren't from Austin, please do not include austin.* in your
>  -> > posting simply to reach a larger audience.  Instead, use an
>  -> > appropriate state-wide or national newsgroup.
>  -> > 
>  -> > *** Moreover, guests are asked to limit the number of their postings
>  -> > *** to a reasonable number (five a day), avoid inappropriate or
excessive
>  -> > *** cross-posting (particularly when following up to an austin.*
>  -> > *** message), and generally desist from "trolling" behaviour.
>  -> > 
>  -> > There's more.  See the commercial posting policy and abuse policy
>  -> > in the following sections.
>  -> 
>  -> Now here is the first time that I know about creating *two classes* of
>  -> posters for UseNet and attempting to "censor" based upon the "class" that
>  -> the poster is in. This is very interesting. It causes several different
>  -> anomalies to occur, all at the expense of the "truly" local Austin poster.
>  -> You'll see what those various anomalies are below.
>  -> 
>  -> Of course the first anomaly is that of two classes. But what that brings
>  -> with it is the requirement to "test" or "verify" for *residency* -- in
>  -> order to determine which "class" of poster you belong in. And then you
>  -> will be "censored" according to the "class" you are in. Now, this has got
>  -> to be a throwback to the Middle Ages or some "class society, like India or
>  -> in Africa. I wouldn't think I would have encountered it here in America,
>  -> much less Austin.
>  -> 
>  -> For example, I am totally clueless -- to tell you the truth -- on how
>  -> someone would "test" for *residency* on my present post. I suppose someone
>  -> who may be much smarter than me could perhaps enlighten me on it. And
>  -> absent anyone providing verification, from my post, what my *residency* is
>  -> -- I think that will prove that one cannot verify according to posting
>  -> information. And of course, you all will remember that I said I'm moving
>  -> to Texas. Perhaps, I am now in Austin. Do I have to now prove my Austin
>  -> residency. And is there a "board of residency" set up for UseNet posters?
>  -> Do I also have to submit fingerprints.
>  -> 
>  -> And the other thing that this very seriously questions is one's ability to
>  -> post using anonymous handles (aliases, if you will -- or posting
>  -> anonymously). This bears upon the "privacy" aspect that is so much on
>  -> people's minds these days. If there is a "test for residency" -- then that
>  -> means that "anonymous postings" are excluded (or censored in a "different
>  -> class of poster", lesser than a "real poster") because of having to meet a
>  -> "residency test" and failing to do so.
>  -> 
>  -> Also, this is a proposal that favors a local ISP, who does business in
>  -> other cities. This means that any problems that this ISP (specifically
>  -> Texas.Net, who is cheating customers and scamming the public) has in other
>  -> cities, and any "resulting discussion" from those other cities is not to
>  -> be granted to the Austin residents (for their benevolent protection, of
>  -> course), and only allowed in those other cities. This means that the
>  -> Austin "real residents" can be truly considered a "fiefdom" of Texas.Net,
>  -> and truly "protected" from any unsavory material that may want to "leak
>  -> into Austin" and pollute those poor hapless minds (at least in the view of
>  -> Texas.Net). You see, since posting is "favored" by means of "two classes"
>  -> - that means that Texas.Net scamming can continue simply by sheer numbers
>  -> of postings and overwhelm the "inferior" class of poster who only has
>  -> "five" to his name. Yes, this definitely does sound like a "new chapter"
>  -> in "consumerism" for the "locals". It sure does sound like someone is
>  -> trying to set up their "fiefdom" just like in the Middle Ages and how they
>  -> set up their "city-states." This is so reminiscent of that. How history
>  -> repeats itself, even through high-tech means.
>  -> 
>  -> And lastly, just as those city-states and fiefdoms, you have here an
>  -> "island mentality" in which you exclude any "corrupting material" from
>  -> outside, by means of mechanisms that define "second-class" UseNet
>  -> citizens, and then keep your "enclave" pure in thought and speech (at
>  -> least on behalf of a scamming Texas ISP, by the name of Texas.Net, whose
>  -> is at the bottom of a long discussion about their crooked practices and
>  -> scamming the public).
>  -> 
>  -> You end up having a situation in which discussions will still go on in the
>  -> "austin.*" groups, but only the "Austin residents" won't see it. The
>  -> others, from national news services and others who don't allow cancels,
>  -> will continue the longer discussions in the very same groups -- but the
>  -> Austin people will be effectively "censored out". And the really *ironic*
>  -> thing about this censoring is that the Austin people will be told that
>  -> someone else is being censored, when actually what is happening is that it
>  -> that the Austin people themselves are being censored by not allowing them
>  -> to *view* the discussions that are going on in their very own group. The
>  -> discussions will still go on and will still be participated in by others
>  -> who have news servers who don't cancel and who allow free speech -- so
>  -> they won't stop.
>  -> 
>  -> In the end, it's the poor "Austin resident" who will be "benevolently
>  -> protected" by forces bigger than they are. And of course, with the gleeful
>  -> assent of Texas.Net, who is happy to keep scamming and cheating the public
>  -> within it's own "private enclave" and keep taking the money off the top
>  -> and never delivering the service that they sold.
>  -> 
>  -> 
>  -> 
>  -> And for other comments --
>  -> 
>  -> > Notice that we haven't placed any restrictions on *what* you say,
>  -> > only *how* you say it.  You can say whatever you want, so long as
>  -> > you don't abuse the network.  Enforcement of these guidelines,
>  -> > therefore, is not a free speech issue.
>  -> 
>  -> On the contrary -- it is most certainly a free speech issue -- because
>  -> what you have here is "structural censorship." It's censorship that has
>  -> been *built-in* to the infrastructure of the mechanisms you've designed.
>  -> When you created two classes of posters, based upon "residency" you've
>  -> really taken even a further step down that "structural censorship."
>  -> 
>  -> It's like the Supreme Court redrawing voting district lines because
>  -> "structurally" the voters were not allowed a voice. Or by the banks
>  -> "redlining" areas in terms of loans, which denied citizens the economic
>  -> rights, or courts mandating changes in the school system because the
>  -> "structure" was supportive of the "status quo". These are all examples of
>  -> how a "structure" can actually cause things to go wrong. And it's very
>  -> true with free speech -- in that the "structure" can either "censor" or
>  -> "promote" free speech. You've got a structure of "censoring" free speech.
>  -> 
>  -> 
>  -> 
>  -> >     - If your posting belongs in more than one newsgroup, do NOT
>  -> >       re-post your message multiple times to each group.  That's
>  -> >       spamming.  Instead, use "cross-posting".  To do this, just
>  -> >       list all of the newsgroups on the Newsgroups: line, separated
>  -> >       by commas (but no spaces).  When you cross-post, your message
>  -> >       gets transmitted just once (thus conserving our precious
>  -> >       natural resources like electrons and disk space), but appears
>  -> >       in all of the newsgroups that you selected.
>  -> 
>  -> And here is another spot of contradiction. On the one hand, crossposting
>  -> is encouraged, but then on the other hand, you're working to limit posting
>  -> and cause people to engage in single posts, spread across multiple
>  -> newsgroups. That wastes server space -- yet you want to put into place
>  -> "structures" which will actually *cause* that very thing to happen and
>  -> will increasingly waste server space. So, I have to conclude that you are
>  -> less intersted in saving server space and more interested in censoring for
>  -> the "type of messages" that are offending to certain people.
>  -> 

xx                                                               xx
xx                          A message                            xx
xx                from the original, one & only                  xx
xx                    --> Star Traveler <--                      xx
xx                      aldeberan@alt.net                        xx
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Craig@thebrink.demon.co.uk (Craig Oldfield) meowed:

>In article: <877m3jgrk7.fsf@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>  Andrew Gierth 
><andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Indeed. The humour of the situation was not lost on me :-)
>
>Nor me when I see the cretins who shit all over Usenet being supported by 
>those who set themselves up to police it.

If you want a good look at a 'cretin who shits all over Usenet', go back and
take a look at what Andrew just canxed, spamming shitbrained simp.


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In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
#
#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
#
#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
#length cancelbot!

Be sure to program it to cancel all of Chrissy & Tubby's whining about
.sigs, as well.

#TB


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Subject: Re: Tom Bird wants to build a cancelbot out of toothpicks and popsickle sticks
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> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
> 
> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> MEOW>
> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
> MEOW>#
> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
> MEOW>#
> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
> MEOW>#length cancelbot!

I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.

Etienne Rouette
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Listen:
 
 This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
recent uberpost:

|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
|
|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
|MEOW>> 
|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|MEOW>> MEOW>
|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
|MEOW>> MEOW>#
|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
|MEOW>> MEOW>#
|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
|MEOW>
|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
|
|Say What?

I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
is a real dork.


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beans.	
	From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
	(http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
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"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you would have just built
a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which collapsed, killing
twenty."
	--Kibo, a.r.k.




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IRS Agent wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 23 May 1998 22:26:04 GMT, cha-ack-cha@ack.mactyre.net.ack (Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub) wrote:
> 
> MEOW>Listen:
> MEOW>
> MEOW> This is what taxes@yourwallet.empty.gov (IRS Agent) pointed out in a
> MEOW>recent uberpost:
> MEOW>
> MEOW>|On Sat, 23 May 1998 03:01:10 GMT, Etienne Rouette <etienne.rouette@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> MEOW>|
> MEOW>|MEOW>> On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:31:12 GMT, elDEMONbrujo@netLOCALcene.com (�3� ߮�J�!) wrote:
> MEOW>|MEOW>>
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>In, <01bd84e5$9d540b70$0100b51f@dbqa>, on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:20
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>GMT, "Tom Bird" <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#Chris Lawrence <news@spacetime.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#<peJ8SbABSzY1EwYY@spacetime.demon.co.uk>...
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> Oh good.  In that case, the few posters posting with large sigs and
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> generally trying to cause trouble are using identical signatures
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> for each of their posts and the message conveyed is "Look at me
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#> with the big sig - I'm a shit-stirring cunt".  Cancel away.
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#I've had a good idea for my next little programming project.  A sig
> MEOW>|MEOW>> MEOW>#length cancelbot!
> MEOW>|MEOW>
> MEOW>|MEOW>I heard that everytime you breath, someone on Usenet posts a solution to
> MEOW>|MEOW>CHUHIHAUHAU ugly umlaut's .sig problem.
> MEOW>|
> MEOW>|Say What?
> MEOW>
> MEOW>I dunno either, but I'd assume the person M. Rouette is talking about
> MEOW>is a real dork.
> MEOW>
> MEOW>
> MEOW>Pave the Earth...
> MEOW>...this is Chihu, signing off.
> MEOW>--
> MEOW>Chihuahua Gilliam Fnordling-5 (with an umlaut over it) Grub
> MEOW>702.FIT.TOWN ~ ICQ # 7883370 ~ chacha@mactyre.net  |  "Ask Me
> MEOW>Das Bistro: Where Every Morning Is Like A New Day  |  About My
> MEOW>    http://users.intercomm.com/teddt/db/           | Geek Code!"
> MEOW>  -----
> MEOW>Your Hands do the work of 10,000 highly trained lesbian jumping
> MEOW>beans.
> MEOW>   From the Surrealist Compliment Generator
> MEOW>   (http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG)
> MEOW>  -----
> MEOW>"If the Chinese language were made of Legos, you would have just built
> MEOW>a really elaborate postmodern drawbridge which collapsed, killing
> MEOW>twenty."
> 
> The bridge must not have been very crowded.

Everything in China is very crowded. That is why India has to go
nuclear.



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From: keegan@nycap.rr.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: More forgeries/mailbomings from alt.net: Re: Surprise, surprise...I've been mailbombed
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On Sun, 24 May 1998 14:40:19 GMT, FyRE@nospam.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
: On Fri, 22 May 1998 18:15:15 GMT, in article
<6k4fbj$5fq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
: The Cypher <cypher@wilhelp.com> wrote:
: 
: [Forgeries]
: 
: >Hmmm...let's play guess and check...don't think HFW did it...maybe Koput...
: >maybe LyRE...not Bleatgoat...eh...any suggestions?
: 
: alt.net, fool. Ask Chris Caputo to sort it out. He's a great guy, always
: ready to clamp down on net abuse....
: 
: (That was sarcasm, BTW. What he'll actually do is tell you to contact his
: lawyers etc etc)

isn't he the sysadmin who was mailbombing people who wrote him to complain
about forgeries from his site?

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In article <618s2f$oq3@camel21.mindspring.com>,
Cipher  <cipher@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Boursy and Grubor are at least capable of original thought.

No they're not. They keep on trotting out the same lies, exagerations
and miscellaneous false accusations. They haven't come up with
anything new in absolutely yonks.

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From: "Cyberpunk" <paronich@netaxis.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/08
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add me please

sophyon <sophyon@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<343AB348.888FAEB3@hotmail.com>...
> 
> 
> Kel wrote:
> 
> > Gratharc <Gratharc@magna.com.au> wrote in article
> > <3435F12B.1A4@magna.com.au>...
> > > mee too
> > > Yes please
> > --
> > christy@bit.net.au
> 
> add me please: sophyon@hotmail.com
> 
> 



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If Anyone has Adultcheck Keymaker please send it to me!!

marko.pusljar@spika.unistar.si




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Klaus Wagner (Klaus Wagner) wrote:

>     I share and promote the devastating criticism of ancient prophets
>     about our time, namely Britain as the place where our world-wide
>     system was invented, which seems to be inspired by what we usually
>
>     call "God". It is the destruction caused by this system which is
>     the problem and not me warning about it. People may want to shut
>     me up or people may even try to kill me, but they won't gain
>     anything, because self-destruction of the current world-wide
>     political, social and economic system through unreasonable greed
>     as predicted in Revelation, chapter 17 will still go on.

You will fit right in with the anti-spammers here, Klaus.  I'm sure they
can help you.

S.P.





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Ooo.. They`re coming to get me..

Ooo.. Look... 

Hey...

Stop Pointing that Umbrella at me!!

<PFFFT!!> <CLUNK!>



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From: Klaus Wagner <Rider.on.the.white.horse@t-online.de> (Klaus Wagner)
Subject: Dirty Tricks of British Internet Censorship
Date: 1997/10/10
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[This article was posted to British newsgroups and censored
yesterday.]
On my home page and in various Usenet articles quoted there I have
shown evidence of human rights abuse against Princess Diana raising
a lot of questions which are uncomfortable for people representing
the institutions and ideology of the British State,
the Freemason-City-of-London-Conservative-Liberal-Labour Party
as I call them.

This has not only lead to various Usenet articles being canceled
and messages vanishing and being suppressed, but a clever hacker
is now attacking my e-mail account sending some 100-200 bogus e-mails
under my sender address each day to invalid e-mail addresses.
This lets me get the same number of mailer-demon error messages
each day and has lead to proper e-mails being returned, because
the maximum storage space on my account was exceeded.

Whoever thinks this is clever should consider the following:

1. The truth cannot be suppressed indefinitely, even if people
    of a certain ideology have full control of the media.
    This applies to the plots to damage Diana and it also applies
    to my explanations which show how ancient predictions,
    many of which disastrous, are being fulfilled today.
2. Don't confuse the messenger with the message.
    I share and promote the devastating criticism of ancient prophets
    about our time, namely Britain as the place where our world-wide
    system was invented, which seems to be inspired by what we usually
    call "God". It is the destruction caused by this system which is
    the problem and not me warning about it. People may want to shut
    me up or people may even try to kill me, but they won't gain
    anything, because self-destruction of the current world-wide
    political, social and economic system through unreasonable greed
    as predicted in Revelation, chapter 17 will still go on.

If your e-mails were returned or stayed without reply lately,
keep sending them, my provider and I are working on the problem.
If you think your messages are important enough, we still have
the good old post office and my address is on my Homepage.

                   Dr. Klaus Wagner
Our Future Revealed:
>             http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
Predictions about our past, present and future, including a link to
evidence of human rights abuse against Princess Diana
and what I tried to do against it plus the Diana Memorial Placard
and my "Queen" Elizabeth Anniversary Placard.



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You're so full of shit it's amaazing...

Personal I found the blow listed LIES so outrageous that I couldn't help
but to laugh.

Spammer's are so desperate that you'll try anything to spew forth your
inspid little ads... Chris must really be doing a damn good job if all you
can do is lie. 

GET a life!



On 5 Oct 1997, Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:

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->From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
->Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse,alt.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-scum,sci.meownews.admin.misc
->Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
->Date: 5 Oct 1997 17:26:13 GMT
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->
->: Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
->: CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
->: least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?
->
->I've started no rumours and certainly no false ones.  When Chris Lewis
->spams me I believe that I am free to respond in email however rudely
->that I like which include repeating rumours that others have publicly
->stated about his child molestation.
->
->Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
->made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.  Because the flurry of
->these remarks all came from CAUCE members it seems that CAUCE either
->supports anti-semitic viewpoints or for some reason attracts members who
->hold anti-semitic values.  Despite the controversy created when this
->information was made public, no spokesperson of CAUCE apologized or
->condemned the CAUCE members who made these anti-semitic remarks and then
->signed the CAUCE name to them.
->
->I tell things how I see them.  I don't like Chris Lewis' spam and I don't
->like CAUCE's violently anti-semitic comments.  You seem to be suggesting
->that both are good because they are authorities and therefore I shouldn't
->complain about them.  I consider your viewpoint to be akin to telling a
->victim of rape that they should just sit back and enjoy it.
->
->-Ric G.
->Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
->"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
->sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
->
->




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Subject: Re: Dirty Tricks of British Internet Censorship
Date: 1997/10/10
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Klaus Wagner <Rider.on.the.white.horse@t-online.de> (Klaus Wagner)
posted with deletions:

>  [This article was posted to British newsgroups and censored
>  yesterday.]
>  On my home page and in various Usenet articles quoted there I have
>  shown evidence of human rights abuse against Princess Diana raising
>  a lot of questions which are uncomfortable for people representing
>  the institutions and ideology of the British State,
>  the Freemason-City-of-London-Conservative-Liberal-Labour Party
>  as I call them.
>  
>  This has not only lead to various Usenet articles being canceled
>  and messages vanishing and being suppressed, but a clever hacker
>  is now attacking my e-mail account sending some 100-200 bogus 
>  e-mails
>  under my sender address each day to invalid e-mail addresses.
>  This lets me get the same number of mailer-demon error messages
>  each day and has lead to proper e-mails being returned, because
>  the maximum storage space on my account was exceeded.
>  
>  Whoever thinks this is clever should consider the following:
>  
>  1. The truth cannot be suppressed indefinitely, even if people
>      of a certain ideology have full control of the media.
>      This applies to the plots to damage Diana and it also applies
>      to my explanations which show how ancient predictions,
>      many of which disastrous, are being fulfilled today.
>  2. Don't confuse the messenger with the message.
>      I share and promote the devastating criticism of ancient 
>  prophets
>      about our time, namely Britain as the place where our 
>  world-wide
>      system was invented, which seems to be inspired by what we 
>  usually
>      call "God". It is the destruction caused by this system which 
>  is
>      the problem and not me warning about it. People may want to 
>  shut
>      me up or people may even try to kill me, but they won't gain
>      anything, because self-destruction of the current world-wide
>      political, social and economic system through unreasonable 
>  greed
>      as predicted in Revelation, chapter 17 will still go on.
>  
>  If your e-mails were returned or stayed without reply lately,
>  keep sending them, my provider and I are working on the problem.
>  If you think your messages are important enough, we still have
>  the good old post office and my address is on my Homepage.
>  
>                     Dr. Klaus Wagner
>  Our Future Revealed:
>  >             http://home.t-online.de/home/072722649
>  Predictions about our past, present and future, including a link to
>  evidence of human rights abuse against Princess Diana
>  and what I tried to do against it plus the Diana Memorial Placard
>  and my "Queen" Elizabeth Anniversary Placard.

Nothing would surprise me about the satanic UK internet or the faggot
UK in general.  

The _bloody_bitch_ they call Queen and Elizabeth Rex abdicated her
title of Protector of the Faith when she condoned the Church of
England Synod okaying women as prestitutes and thereby declared
herself above God and apostate.   

God torched the Knights of the Garter Chapel at Windsor Castle after
that, just as He did in 1984 before the consecration of the Bishop of
Lincoln, a proven heretic, when lightening torched the newly installed
fire prevention system at the cathedral before the act because ERII
(read ER2) and her milk toast archbishops would do nothing about it.  

The UK royal family is an example of bad Hapsburg (read German) blood
-- they all have enormous snouts and ears that stick out, their randy
behavior is hardly refined, they are extremely stupid (Princess Anne
supposedly told her age on the Johnny Carson Show by stomping her foot
on the ground as a horse), and they are exactly what they like to term
the colonists, namely, "over fed, over paid, over sexed, and
[fortunately for us] over there".

Perhaps the Internet Rebbe would like to comment further on the
instant topic.



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You're so full of shit it's amaazing...

Personal I found the blow listed LIES so outrageous that I couldn't help
but to laugh.

Spammer's are so desperate that you'll try anything to spew forth your
inspid little ads... Chris must really be doing a damn good job if all you
can do is lie. 

GET a life!



On 5 Oct 1997, Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:

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->From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
->Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse,alt.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.net-scum,sci.meownews.admin.misc
->Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
->Date: 5 Oct 1997 17:26:13 GMT
->Organization: Warriors of Might
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->
->: Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
->: CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
->: least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?
->
->I've started no rumours and certainly no false ones.  When Chris Lewis
->spams me I believe that I am free to respond in email however rudely
->that I like which include repeating rumours that others have publicly
->stated about his child molestation.
->
->Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
->made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.  Because the flurry of
->these remarks all came from CAUCE members it seems that CAUCE either
->supports anti-semitic viewpoints or for some reason attracts members who
->hold anti-semitic values.  Despite the controversy created when this
->information was made public, no spokesperson of CAUCE apologized or
->condemned the CAUCE members who made these anti-semitic remarks and then
->signed the CAUCE name to them.
->
->I tell things how I see them.  I don't like Chris Lewis' spam and I don't
->like CAUCE's violently anti-semitic comments.  You seem to be suggesting
->that both are good because they are authorities and therefore I shouldn't
->complain about them.  I consider your viewpoint to be akin to telling a
->victim of rape that they should just sit back and enjoy it.
->
->-Ric G.
->Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
->"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
->sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
->
->

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 me too: m.beck@writeme.com

The Shifter schrieb:

>
>
> Gene Sykes wrote:
> >
> > gamer08 wrote:
> > >
> > > jgindc wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
> <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
> <mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>,
> "Henrik Hansen"
> > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>
> > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.
> If you want
> > > > > me to
> > > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
> and answer
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> mee too
> > > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > > > > >>mee too
> > > > > > > mee too
> > > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   me too
> > > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> > > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> > > me to jgindc@ibm.net
> > mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
> me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
>
> me too schaffs@cadvision.com
>
>
>
> patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
> <343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
> > Gene Sykes wrote:
> > >
> > > gamer08 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > jgindc wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
> <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
> <mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>,
> "Henrik Hansen"
> > > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele
> Finzi"
> > > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key
> maker.  If you want
> > > > > > me to
> > > > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me
> too" and answer
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> mee too
> > > > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > > > > > >>mee too
> > > > > > > > mee too
> > > > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   me too
> > > > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > > > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> > > > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> > > > me to jgindc@ibm.net
> > > mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
> > me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
> >



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&nbsp;me too: m.beck@writeme.com

<P>The Shifter schrieb:
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<P><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>Gene
Sykes wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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gamer08 wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> jgindc wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > Mr POTato Head wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > Jack &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">Brad-Pitt@yours.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
wrote in article &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">342ECE77.29E8@yours.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > mSatan wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > Marek Bi&ntilde;kowski wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">mudshark@feist.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >Oxen wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> Real Name &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">username@iaccess.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
wrote in article</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > In article &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>,
"Henrik Hansen"</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">hhansen@post4.tele.dk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
says:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >Damian &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">damian@asa-net.co.uk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
skrev i artiklen</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > >> > >&lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">finzi@bigfoot.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.&nbsp;
If you want</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > me to</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > >> > >attach</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > >> > >> >it</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> >>>to</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
answer</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > this</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >thread.</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">finzi@bigfoot.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > >> > >> mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >> </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">damian@asa-net.co.uk</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">san_ger@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >>>></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> > ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">hboy23@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >> </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">oxen@hkstar.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > >>mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">gustaw@lodz.pdi.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > >&nbsp;&nbsp; me too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">kerberus@rocketmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > me too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">jacobkjensen@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > and me please - </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">loaded69@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > me too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">gamer08@ibm.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> me to </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">jgindc@ibm.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
mee too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">aerochris@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">me
too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">patrick@lavalink.com.au</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>

<P><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>me
too schaffs@cadvision.com</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;

<P><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">patrick
&lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">patrick@lavalink.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
wrote in article &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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Gene Sykes wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> gamer08 wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > jgindc wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > Jack &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">Brad-Pitt@yours.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
wrote in article &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">342ECE77.29E8@yours.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > mSatan wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > Marek Bi&ntilde;kowski wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">mudshark@feist.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> Real Name &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">username@iaccess.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
wrote in article</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> > In article &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>,
"Henrik Hansen"</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">hhansen@post4.tele.dk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
says:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >Damian &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">damian@asa-net.co.uk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
skrev i artiklen</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> > >&lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">>...</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">finzi@bigfoot.com</FONT></U><FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.&nbsp;
If you want</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > me to</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >attach</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> >it</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
and answer</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > this</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >thread.</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> > >> ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">finzi@bigfoot.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >> mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >> </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">damian@asa-net.co.uk</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> > >></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> > ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">san_ger@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >>>></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > >> > ></FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">hboy23@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >> mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > > > > >> </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">oxen@hkstar.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > >>mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > > > mee too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > > </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">gustaw@lodz.pdi.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+0>>
> > > > >&nbsp;&nbsp; me too</FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > > </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">kerberus@rocketmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > me too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">jacobkjensen@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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> > > ></FONT></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > > and me please - </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">loaded69@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > > me too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">gamer08@ibm.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> > me to </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">jgindc@ibm.net</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
> mee too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">aerochris@hotmail.com</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
<BR><I><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0><FONT COLOR="#000000">>
me too </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">patrick@lavalink.com.au</FONT></U></FONT></FONT></I>
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<BR>kill next time....

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From: "Ste Chainey" <ste_chainey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/11
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me too ste_chainey@hotmail.com

The Shifter <schaffs@cadvision.com> wrote in article
<01bcd5d2$d0240040$fa47e4cf@mycomputer.cadvision.com>...
Gene Sykes wrote:
> 
> gamer08 wrote:
> >
> > jgindc wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
<342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
<mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
Hansen"
> > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
you want
> > > > me to
> > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
answer
> > > > this
> > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> mee too
> > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > > > >>mee too
> > > > > > mee too
> > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > > > >
> > > > >   me too
> > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> > me to jgindc@ibm.net
> mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
me too patrick@lavalink.com.au

me too schaffs@cadvision.com



patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
<343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
> Gene Sykes wrote:
> > 
> > gamer08 wrote:
> > >
> > > jgindc wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
<342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
<mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
Hansen"
> > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
you want
> > > > > me to
> > > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
and answer
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> mee too
> > > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > > > > >>mee too
> > > > > > > mee too
> > > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   me too
> > > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> > > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> > > me to jgindc@ibm.net
> > mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
> me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
> 
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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/11
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patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
<343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
> Gene Sykes wrote:
> > 
> > gamer08 wrote:
> > >
> > > jgindc wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
<342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
<mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
Hansen"
> > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
you want
> > > > > me to
> > > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
and answer
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>me too sabre@clara.net




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Mmmmmm....SPAM.......

--

h_k_m wrote:
> 
> Do you know what this IS? It is a SCAM and the ONLY PURPOSE is to
> COLLECT EMAIL ADDRESSES.
> 
> When you answer 'mee too' and add your email address, a BOT collects all
> the email addresses and then SELLS ALL THE ADDRESSES to people who SPAM
> YOU.
> 
> It's fuckin stupid! DO NOT FALL FOR THIS SCAM!
> 
> --
> * Damn_Spammers_Die *
> (Thanks to Verdugo_ at usa dot net)
> 
> -Revenge-
> Submit@a1results.com - waynesmail@mci2000.com - 63208939@cwave.com
> info@creditcharge.com - info@pgrs.com - jimmybob@profit.com
> franco@hinet.co.za
> 
> -Sweet_Revenge-
> abuse@127.0.0.1 - root@127.0.0.1 - postmaster@127.0.0.1



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From: "Joe" <redwitz@metronet.de>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/11
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>> add me too redwitz@metronet.de
sabre <sabre@clara.net> schrieb im Beitrag
<01bcd5c1$8dd3be80$634fa4c2@default>...
> 
> 
> patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
> <343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
> > Gene Sykes wrote:
> > > 
> > > gamer08 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > jgindc wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
> <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > > > > mSatan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
> <mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>,
"Henrik
> Hansen"
> > > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker. 
If
> you want
> > > > > > me to
> > > > > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
> and answer
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> >me too sabre@clara.net
> 





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From: h_k_m <see.sig@online.no>
Subject: Morons
Date: 1997/10/11
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This is a scam, quit posting "me too" messages - all they do is to
collect email-addresses to spam.

A KEY GENERATOR for ADULT CHECK? Don't make me fuckin laugh!



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From: rjmci@adan.kingston.net (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: Dirty Tricks of British Internet Censorship
Date: 1997/10/12
Message-ID: <344030f4.1616053@gollum.kingston.net>#1/1
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On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:55:15 GMT, Klaus Wagner
<Rider.on.the.white.horse@t-online.de> (Klaus Wagner) wrote:

>[This article was posted to British newsgroups and censored
>yesterday.]
>On my home page and in various Usenet articles quoted there I have
>shown evidence of human rights abuse against Princess Diana raising
>a lot of questions which are uncomfortable for people representing
>the institutions and ideology of the British State,
>the Freemason-City-of-London-Conservative-Liberal-Labour Party
>as I call them.
>
>This has not only lead to various Usenet articles being canceled
>and messages vanishing and being suppressed, 

Usenet articles being lost and vanishing is about as new as the sun
rising in the East.  Not everything is a conspiracy, you know.

Klaus, nobody on the face of God's earth cares about your theories
except yourself.





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From: dandre3@ix.netcom.com ( Jason Hockey)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/12
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On 11 Oct 97 14:38:41 GMT, "Ste Chainey" <ste_chainey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>me too ste_chainey@hotmail.com
>
>The Shifter <schaffs@cadvision.com> wrote in article
><01bcd5d2$d0240040$fa47e4cf@mycomputer.cadvision.com>...
>Gene Sykes wrote:
>> 
>> gamer08 wrote:
>> >
>> > jgindc wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
><342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>> > > > mSatan wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
><mudshark@feist.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>> > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>> > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
>Hansen"
>> > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>> > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>> > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
>you want
>> > > > me to
>> > > > > > >> > >attach
>> > > > > > >> > >> >it
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
>answer
>> > > > this
>> > > > > > >> > >thread.
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>> > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>> > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > >> > >mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > >> > >>>>
>> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> mee too
>> > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>> > > > > > >>mee too
>> > > > > > mee too
>> > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>> > > > >
>> > > > >   me too
>> > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>> > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>> > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>> > me to jgindc@ibm.net
>> mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
>me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
>
>me too schaffs@cadvision.com
>
>
>
>patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
><343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
>> Gene Sykes wrote:
>> > 
>> > gamer08 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > jgindc wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
><342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>> > > > > mSatan wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
><mudshark@feist.com>
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>> > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>> > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
>Hansen"
>> > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>> > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>> > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>> > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
>you want
>> > > > > me to
>> > > > > > > >> > >attach
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >it
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
>and answer
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > > > >> > >thread.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
>> > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >mee too
>> > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > > >> > >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>> > > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> mee too
>> > > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>> > > > > > > >>mee too
>> > > > > > > mee too
>> > > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >   me too
>> > > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>> > > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>> > > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>> > > me to jgindc@ibm.net
>> > mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
>> me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
>> 
>----------
>
me too dandre3@ix.netcom.com



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From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)
Subject: Re: Dirty Tricks of British Internet Censorship
Date: 1997/10/13
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I thought the web was delevoped at CERN, on the Swiss/French border on the
outskirts of Geneva, by a Brit.  That hardly makes Britain the 'place where
the web was invented'.  Picky, but true :) Nex

__________________________________________________________________________

"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps
then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira
__________________________________________________________________________




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From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings)
Subject: Can't have it both ways     Was: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/13
Message-ID: <34417770.27864373@news.alt.net>#1/1
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 Keith M. Lucas wrote:
 -
 -Cipher  <cipher@mindspring.com> wrote:
 -
 ->Boursy and Grubor are at least capable of original thought.
 -
 -No they're not. They keep on trotting out the same lies, exagerations
 -and miscellaneous false accusations. They haven't come up with
 -anything new in absolutely yonks.


  Well Mr. Lucas you are certainly entitled to your opinion
of course (if only you believe the same of others) but if
what you say it true that speaks rather poorly of you 
given the rather obsessive number of followups you
make to your posts.  Face it Keith--you're just a 
hateful fool.

                                Steve
                                news.admin.censorship





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From: Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Can't have it both ways Was: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/13
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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 13-Oct-97 Can't have it
both ways    .. by ISP Ratings@alt.net 

>  -and miscellaneous false accusations. They haven't come up with
>  -anything new in absolutely yonks.
> 
> 
>   Well Mr. Lucas you are certainly entitled to your opinion
> of course (if only you believe the same of others) but if
> what you say it true that speaks rather poorly of you 
> given the rather obsessive number of followups you
> make to your posts.  Face it Keith--you're just a 
> hateful fool.

See? There you go again, Boursey, offering nothing new. Of course Keith
Lucas is just a "hateful fool." We all *know* that. You add nothing to
the sum of human knowledge to repeat it. Instead, you should add that
Keith Lucas's purchase upon the distal world is such that he cavorts
with fire hydrants and capers with concrete traffic barriers. You should
descant upon the time that keith, naked, though draped in festive
garlands of paper-cups and balls of foil and crumpled paper, impaled
himself upon the guide-boom of a garbage scow as an offering to some
obscure chthonic deity known only to himself. (God!--what a mess THAT
was!) In sum, Boursey, keith lucas is a dullard, a human black hole, a
complete waste of skin, an organ bank waiting to happen, a total
non-entity. THAT'S what keith needs to face. Okay, Boursey? Now,
comrade, go back and revise the above.  

  yours &c. 
  g.v.w. iv, rhetorician, casuist, guerrilla dialectician 

  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
  wilkes@eng.hss.cmu.edu
  http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/ 



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From: "Bryant Bolden" <boldenb@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/13
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Jason Hockey wrote in message <34404894.4064654@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>On 11 Oct 97 14:38:41 GMT, "Ste Chainey" <ste_chainey@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>me too ste_chainey@hotmail.com
>>
>>The Shifter <schaffs@cadvision.com> wrote in article
>><01bcd5d2$d0240040$fa47e4cf@mycomputer.cadvision.com>...
>>Gene Sykes wrote:
>>>
>>> gamer08 wrote:
>>> >
>>> > jgindc wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
>><342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>>> > > > mSatan wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
>><mudshark@feist.com>
>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>>> > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>>> > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>>> > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
>>Hansen"
>>> > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>>> > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>>> > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>>> > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>>> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >> > >>
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
>>you want
>>> > > > me to
>>> > > > > > >> > >attach
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >it
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
>>answer
>>> > > > this
>>> > > > > > >> > >thread.
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> > >> mee too
>>> > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>>> > > > > > >> > >>
>>> > > > > > >> > >mee too
>>> > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>>> > > > > > >> > >>>>
>>> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>>> > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>>> > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > >> mee too
>>> > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>>> > > > > > >>mee too
>>> > > > > > mee too
>>> > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >   me too
>>> > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>>> > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>>> > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>>> > me to jgindc@ibm.net
>>> mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
>>me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
>>
>>me too schaffs@cadvision.com
>>
>>
>>
>>patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au> wrote in article
>><343E4883.4344@lavalink.com.au>...
>>> Gene Sykes wrote:
>>> >
>>> > gamer08 wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > jgindc wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
>><342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>>> > > > > mSatan wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
>><mudshark@feist.com>
>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>>> > > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>>> > > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>,
"Henrik
>>Hansen"
>>> > > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>>> > > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>>> > > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If
>>you want
>>> > > > > me to
>>> > > > > > > >> > >attach
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >it
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too"
>>and answer
>>> > > > > this
>>> > > > > > > >> > >thread.
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> mee too
>>> > > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> > >mee too
>>> > > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>>> > > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> mee too
>>> > > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>>> > > > > > > >>mee too
>>> > > > > > > mee too
>>> > > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >   me too
>>> > > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>>> > > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>>> > > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>>> > > me to jgindc@ibm.net
>>> > mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
>>> me too patrick@lavalink.com.au
>>>
>>----------
>>
>me too dandre3@ix.netcom.com


me too





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From: John Seeman <seeman@allworld.com>
Subject: More Interesting Digex News!
Date: 1997/10/15
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Investors sue to halt ISP buyout 
By Stephanie Miles
June 27, 1997, 4:10 p.m. PT 

Internet service provider Digex (DIGX) and Florida-based
telecommunications
provider Intermedia Communications (ICIX) have been hit with two
shareholder lawsuits seeking to halt their upcoming merger, according to
a
Securities and Exchange Commission filing today. 

Investors claim the merger lacks sufficient provisions to protect
shareholders in the Maryland-based ISP. 

"The complaints allege that the company directors violated their
fiduciary
duties to the public stockholders...by agreeing to vote in favor of the
merger," according to the filing. "Intermedia knowingly aided and
abetted
such violation by offering to retain company management in their present
positions and consenting to stock option grants to certain executive
officers." 

The lawsuits were filed June 20, approximately 15 days after the
companies
announced their merger plans. Digex investors TAAM Associates, along
with
David and Chaile Steinberg, filed their suits in state court in
Delaware. 

In addition to a halt to the merger, the shareholder groups are seeking
unspecified damages. 

Intermedia announced in early June it would buy Digex for $150 million
by
purchasing all outstanding Digex stock for $13 per share. 

Attorneys for the investors and Digex declined to comment on the merits
of
the cases. 

These shareholder suits are among the latest to result from mergers.



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From: John Seeman <seeman@allworld.com>
Subject: Digex (now ICI) Anit-Spam Policy Page - An Anti-Competitive LIE!
Date: 1997/10/15
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==========================================================
The REAL story may be that Digex (ICI) is using it's 
Anti-Spam Policy as an anti-competitive excuse to 
turn off my provider's T3 line and sell their own
T1's in the local area to my provider's customers.
Stay Tuned!
==========================================================

The Digex web page http://support.digex.net/policy/ indicates 
that allworld.com has been warned about the digex policy
and has agreed to cease and desist.  This is NOT the case.
All World Network has NEVER been contacted about this incident
and has NEVER responded to Digex.

All World Network has a strict Anti-Spam policy and 
did NOT originate the SPAM referenced.  
allworld.com was victimized by a Steath mailer and 
the now well-known flaw in the sendmail.8.8 software.

The SPAM came from:

        Kevin Corrigan
        1120 Sandy Creek
        Folsom, CA 95630
        (916) 353-0503

All World Network called the FBI and reported the theft of
its bandwidth and services.  All World then employed the anti-spam
beta fixes posted on http://sendmail.org.  These fixes were
posted on sendmail.org only 30 days prior to the incident.

Now, All World Network has been victimized again by 
Digex by posting clearly false information about our 
company. Had Digex actually contacted All World Network
this matter could have been resolved. 

All World has contacted Brian Wilson at Digex and he was
totally unresponsive! 

==========================================================
The REAL story may be that Digex (ICI) is using it's
Anti-Spam Policy as an anti-competitive excuse to 
turn off my provider's T3 line and sell their own
T1's in the local area to my provider's customers.
Stay Tuned!
==========================================================


All World Network, Inc.		Phone: 	813 988-7772
P.O. Box 290261
Tampa, Florida 33687-0261



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From: whborean@ad_hoc.commitee.sympatico.ca (Wayne Borean)
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:21:48 -0400, deville <deville@lex.infi.net> wrote:

>Well, I thought the 59 posts for sex with vegtables was overkill, I was
>scanning the latest batch, out of 827 postings, I got 631 of them of
>which 453, FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE, were all called "want freaks..
>fetishists".  I will someday be a jaded netizen but FOUR HUNDRED AND
>FIFTY THREE???!!!???

I agree - it should have been 666. That would make a lot more sense. 

BTW, you run the Crystal Monolith - to me that makes you a jaded netizen.

>I'm sorry but will all those who think that we are evil or wrong for
>retromod please tell me how much they would enjoy wading through FOUR
>HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE postings that have nothing to do with them to
>get to their precious little posings(no, that's not a misspell) on how
>wonderful their little group is?

I know a few masochists. They'd get an absolute kick out of it. On the other
hand cultists like ourselves have only so much time to read the newsgroups.
Since it's almost impossible to get willing sacrifices, we've got to troll for
unwilling ones, and that takes time. Too much time, and the Elder Gods have to
be feed...

And of course we have to placate Evil Goodbye Kitty to!

Cthufen

President of the Ad-Hoc Commitee to reduce SPAM. Email me
with the word "Ad-Hoc" in the subject for more information.



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From: deville <deville@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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Wayne Borean wrote:
>> 
> Naw, let's just send Shub-Internet there to take care of them. Shubbie can eat
> their brains, and it won't be traceable to us.
> 
> I can see it now - grubby little pot bellied spammer seting in front ot a coke
> stained keyboard - AND OUT OF THE MONITOR REACHS THE TENTACLES OF SHUB-INTERNET!
> 
> Maybe we could get Shub-toy to talk her into recording the images, so that Rev.
> Deville could display them to the crowd at the Wednesday Night Madness &
> Sacrifice Special over at the monolith. What do you say Rev., sound like a good
> idea?

In the words of the immortal TONE LOC, "Let's do it!"

Rev. Deville, sr. pastor, Crystal Monolith



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Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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On 14 Oct 1997 16:08:48 GMT, "EIB�N" <0@0.0> wrote:

>indeed, destroy spammers in the name of the crawling chaos!

Right on brother! They don't make very good sacrifices, but quality can be made
to substitute for quantity.

>Help me
>sacrifice those most loathsome and horrid! heres what i do, i go to the
>website the spam is spamming and look for an e-mail adress, then bomb the
>hoary hell out of it. what would be really cool is a program that would
>crawl the ngs, look for spam (identified with keywords), crawl to the
>website, search for an e-mail, and bomb away. i also have another plan, ill
>find the biggest spammer, then post its ip adress, and we all give it a
>ping flood, and see if we can do some damage. ill post the time for the
>attack, brethren please participate!

Naw, let's just send Shub-Internet there to take care of them. Shubbie can eat
their brains, and it won't be traceable to us.

I can see it now - grubby little pot bellied spammer seting in front ot a coke
stained keyboard - AND OUT OF THE MONITOR REACHS THE TENTACLES OF SHUB-INTERNET!

Maybe we could get Shub-toy to talk her into recording the images, so that Rev.
Deville could display them to the crowd at the Wednesday Night Madness &
Sacrifice Special over at the monolith. What do you say Rev., sound like a good
idea?

Cthufen

President of the Ad-Hoc Commitee to reduce SPAM. Email me
with the word "Ad-Hoc" in the subject for more information.



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From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen)
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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In article <34458049.3412819@news1.on.sympatico.ca>,
Wayne Borean <whborean@ad_hoc.commitee.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>NEWS.ADMIN.NET-ABUSE is one of the most pathetic newsgroups I've ever seen. The
>average poster wouldn't make a good homo habilus.
...
>That's the problem - we are honest. But be creative. As Moonwulf said, "Never
>anger a bard, for your name is silly and it rhymes with Greensleeves".

Start contacting spammers.  Especially the obstinate ones who refuse to
stop and nobody can seem to get rid of.  Ask them to start sending copies
of every advertisement to news.admin.net-abuse.

-- 
2*3*3*37 : The Prime Factorization of The Beast



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In article <3445A7C9.4C86@lex.infi.net>,
 The Right Reverent deville@lex.infi.net did say with eyes a gleam as he
waved the ritual dagger:
>
> Wayne Borean wrote:
> >>
> > Naw, let's just send Shub-Internet there to take care of them. Shubbie can
eat
> > their brains, and it won't be traceable to us.
> >
> > I can see it now - grubby little pot bellied spammer setting in front of a
coke
> > stained keyboard - AND OUT OF THE MONITOR REACHS THE TENTACLES OF SHUB-
> > INTERNET!!
> > Maybe we could get Shub-toy to talk her into recording the images, so that
> > Rev.Deville could display them to the crowd at the Wednesday Night Madness &
> > Sacrifice Special over at the monolith. What do you say Rev., sound like a
good
> > idea?
>
> In the words of the immortal TONE LOC, "Let's do it!"
>
> Rev. Deville, sr. pastor, Crystal Monolith

Ia your ideal Brother Wayne.

Alas i Shub-Toy wishes he could talk The Glorious Lady of the Internet
into anything let alone mauling the repulsive, sub-human spamers. It is
She who command and it is Shub-Toy who obeys. But Brother Wayne dose
speak the truth of Thee Shub's plans for those who would interfere with
her works.  Ia, the sight of a spammer's fat, acne blistered  bottom
being drugged to his doom in the monitor of his own spam spewing computer
while soda and twinkies fly about his filth filled den dose gladden the
heart. One suspects  the grease from the hair of one of these poorly
bathed Internet advertising "professionals" would speed the hapless
mortal to their fate.

Yes, the lesson of Thee Shub's power would be a good thing, but The Dark Goat of
the Internet dose stops not just at rending flesh of those who anger Her, oh no,
She has a much worse fate in store for those she damns. There is this creature
known only as the "Hivemind" that lurks in a forgotten place in the Usernet;  a
group only rumored to exist on in nightmares and thankfully poorly propagated.
There in
alt.horror.damned-of-Thee-Shub-for-enternity.so-heed-the-warning-mortal-fool (of
which no web search engine will to find, no web page will list, no sane ISP
would subscribe too) those whom Shub-Internet has punished are melded together
body and sprit into one creature and are force to recite their transgression
against The Black Goat WHILE CHANTING HER PRAISES FOREVER AND EVER!!!

Yes Rev Deville i'm sure she will be willing to send graphic images of
these doomed and damned spamers to your gatherings so the assembly may
understand it is better to walk WILLINGLY  to a hideously painful death
in one of Thee Shub's many slobbering MAWS than to try some pathetic,
futile attempt to thwart Her only to end up trapped in the soul rendering
agony of the Hivemind and live an existence of forgotten, blind,
mindless, gibbering, madness until the world ends.

IA! i say this is good.

Ia The Black Goat of a Thousand Servers,

Shub-Toy

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In article <344526DD.2F8F@allworld.com>,
	John Seeman <seeman@allworld.com> writes:

> The Digex web page http://support.digex.net/policy/ indicates 
> that allworld.com has been warned about the digex policy
> and has agreed to cease and desist.  This is NOT the case.
> All World Network has NEVER been contacted about this incident
> and has NEVER responded to Digex.
> 
> All World Network has a strict Anti-Spam policy and 
> did NOT originate the SPAM referenced.  
> allworld.com was victimized by a Steath mailer and 
> the now well-known flaw in the sendmail.8.8 software.

This "flaw" has been known for at least nine months.  How come only NOW you
turned around to fixing it?

> The SPAM came from:
> 
>         Kevin Corrigan
>         1120 Sandy Creek
>         Folsom, CA 95630
>         (916) 353-0503

[snip]

That's fine and dandy.  Kindly post the headers from this supposed forgery.


> All World Network called the FBI and reported the theft of
> its bandwidth and services.  All World then employed the anti-spam
> beta fixes posted on http://sendmail.org.  These fixes were
> posted on sendmail.org only 30 days prior to the incident.

Oh, bullshit.  Anti-spam patches to sendmail have been around for at least
six months.

> Now, All World Network has been victimized again by 
> Digex by posting clearly false information about our 
> company. Had Digex actually contacted All World Network
> this matter could have been resolved. 
> 
> All World has contacted Brian Wilson at Digex and he was
> totally unresponsive! 

Again, not that I don't believe you, but I'd really like to see the
headers, before making any conclusions.  I think there's more to this story
than what you're tellign.

-- 
Sam - Linux+Motif+IRC=SmIRC (0.51 now on Sunsite)
      http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/5799/
(Check headers before replying)



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From: whborean@ad_hoc.commitee.sympatico.ca (Wayne Borean)
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:21:39 -0600, RJL@rocketmail.com wrote:

>In article <61toup$om3$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>  glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) wrote:

>> In article <3442206B.425C@lex.infi.net>, deville  <deville@lex.infi.net>
>>wrote:

>> >I'm sorry but will all those who think that we are evil or wrong for
>> >retromod please tell me how much they would enjoy wading through FOUR
>> >HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE postings that have nothing to do with them to
>> >get to their precious little posings(no, that's not a misspell) on how
>> >wonderful their little group is?

>> We'd probably get in trouble with someone, but how about setting up the
>> Cthulhu-bot to automatically forward all cancelled spams to newsgroups
>> inhabited by people who oppose retromoderation?

>Well the groups were the little anti-canceller shits hide out are the
>groups were the anti-spamers meet to discuss what to so dumping are crap
>into the news.admin.net-abuse.* groups would only give aid and comfort to
>these scumwads. Frankly after three months of lurking on
>news.admin.net-abuse.misc I am convinced the anti-cancellers are either
>spamers or the paid mouth pieces of spamers bent on disrupting the
>anti-spam effort for there own pathetic little ends. Those scumwads who
>came in the past three days trolling us and Andrew were a fine example of
>these creatures.

NEWS.ADMIN.NET-ABUSE is one of the most pathetic newsgroups I've ever seen. The
average poster wouldn't make a good homo habilus.

Flames, false accusations, rumour mongering, and lies are the order of the day.
Most of the posters like to pretend that they are important  to USENET. This may
help their egos, but it doesn't do anything for the real users.

And some of them are in the pay of the spammers. (The less intelligent ones,
I.Q. of 5 and lower).

>Now what I would love to do is e-mail all the  cancel messages to all
>these spam-whores and choak their e-mail like they choak mine, but I
>guess yet agian because we are honest folks we have to take this abuse
>and can't get ours back. Maybe there is stuff we can do and we haven't
>been told what to do it but I would love to return the pain they inflict
>on us and then some, preferable at a level to put a stop to them. Gee,
>lest can we give our spam to Dave Hayes who the sleezest of the crap load
>of 'em

That's the problem - we are honest. But be creative. As Moonwulf said, "Never
anger a bard, for your name is silly and it rhymes with Greensleeves".

I've seen a couple of excellant John Grubor stories (and boy were they nasty, I
suspect if John knew who wrote them he'd probably want to sue)..
ALT.SEX.CTHULHU.JOSH-KRAMER was a masterpiece of revenge, though I suspect Josh
Kramer didn't think so.  

So be creative. As Cthulhumutri said "Think on these things..."

Cthufen


President of the Ad-Hoc Commitee to reduce SPAM. Email me
with the word "Ad-Hoc" in the subject for more information.



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From: whborean@ad_hoc.commitee.sympatico.ca (Wayne Borean)
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/16
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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:36:10 -0400, deville <deville@lex.infi.net> wrote:

>Wayne Borean wrote:
>>> 
>> Naw, let's just send Shub-Internet there to take care of them. Shubbie can eat
>> their brains, and it won't be traceable to us.
>> 
>> I can see it now - grubby little pot bellied spammer siting in front ot a coke
>> stained keyboard - AND OUT OF THE MONITOR REACHS THE TENTACLES OF SHUB-INTERNET!
>> 
>> Maybe we could get Shub-toy to talk her into recording the images, so that Rev.
>> Deville could display them to the crowd at the Wednesday Night Madness &
>> Sacrifice Special over at the monolith. What do you say Rev., sound like a good
>> idea?
>
>In the words of the immortal TONE LOC, "Let's do it!"
>
>Rev. Deville, sr. pastor, Crystal Monolith

Shub-toy? Can you talk to your lady of the Internet, and see if she will agree
to do this?

Tell her there are lots of spammers - possibly the thought of all those free
meals will convince her to act in our interests. And if she can record the
events for Rev. Deville, he will appreciate it.

Cthufen


President of the Ad-Hoc Commitee to reduce SPAM. Email me
with the word "Ad-Hoc" in the subject for more information.



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From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/17
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On 16 Oct 1997, Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:

> In article <34458049.3412819@news1.on.sympatico.ca>,
> Wayne Borean <whborean@ad_hoc.commitee.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> >NEWS.ADMIN.NET-ABUSE is one of the most pathetic newsgroups I've ever seen. The
> >average poster wouldn't make a good homo habilus.
> ...
> >That's the problem - we are honest. But be creative. As Moonwulf said, "Never
> >anger a bard, for your name is silly and it rhymes with Greensleeves".
> 
> Start contacting spammers.  Especially the obstinate ones who refuse to
> stop and nobody can seem to get rid of.  Ask them to start sending copies
> of every advertisement to news.admin.net-abuse.

S.P.(U.T.U.)M. over in alt.binaries.slack is awfully effective at
bollocking spammers, but they take care of a.b.s.; might be a nice idea to
set up something similar to do a.s.c & a.h.s-i., where neccessary. 

Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze, but it
does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and I'm
paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.) 

"The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys... nice
image to use, perhaps?

Don




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Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0500, Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com> wrote:
> On 16 Oct 1997, Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:

> S.P.(U.T.U.)M. over in alt.binaries.slack is awfully effective at
> bollocking spammers, but they take care of a.b.s.; might be a nice idea to
> set up something similar to do a.s.c & a.h.s-i., where neccessary. 
> 
> Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze, but it
> does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and I'm
> paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.) 
> 
> "The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys... nice
> image to use, perhaps?
> 
> Don
> 
 
Isn't this pretty much what Kevin dose? There is a lot to be said for getting the regulars into this kind of act, the more complaints from differnt folks on those who will listen I would think would be more effective.
The other think about S.P.T.U.M.'s web site is very informative as to what to do with spamers (except I can't find the URL right now)
"Shub-Internet helps those who feed themselves" Maybe?

---
RJL


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Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable (Reposted sans my babble)
Date: 1997/10/17
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Well that didn't work the first time. I appeared to have babbled, let's
try that again shall we and see if this time I can make any sense;

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0500, Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com> wrote:
> On 16 Oct 1997, Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:

> S.P.(U.T.U.)M. over in alt.binaries.slack is awfully effective at
> bollocking spammers, but they take care of a.b.s.; might be a nice idea to
> set up something similar to do a.s.c & a.h.s-i., where neccessary.
>
> Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze, but it
> does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and I'm
> paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.)
>
> "The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys... nice
> image to use, perhaps?
>
> Don
>

Isn't tracking & smacking pretty much what Kevin Backburn dose? There is
a lot to be said for getting the a.s.c. regulars  into this kind of act.
I would think the more complaints from different folks to those who will
listen the more effective it would be.

The fact that S.P.U.T.M can keep a.b.s. spam free is very impressive.
Their web site is very informative as to what to do with spamers and
worth a read;

http://208.199.189.75/sputum/sputmain.html

Maybe "Shub-Internet helps those who feed themselves" for our motto?


---

RJL

P.S. Sorry about the first mess.

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From: Kevin Blackburn <kevin@fairbruk.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/17
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In article <627kg2$knh$1@orthanc.reference.com>, RJL@rocketmail.com
writes
>> Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze,
but it
>> does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and
I'm
>> paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.) 
>> 
>> "The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys...
nice
>> image to use, perhaps?
>> 
>> Don
>> 
> 
>Isn't this pretty much what Kevin does?

Only to the extent that my reaction on seeing spam is to look at the
headers, and if there is a clear guilty party - say the path and the
message ID match, I fire off a polite message to the postmaster (nver
the poster, its not worth it). From time to time I'm told a spammer has
been dealt with (but I was possibly only one of many complainers) and
sometimes I'm told I guessed the ISP wrongly. But I suspect it helps,
even if its all pretty bloodless. The good guys on news.admin.net-
abuse.* are the experts on this game, but there's no harm in anyone else
doing so. Many ISPs are just exploited by spammers, and clearly loathe
it. Other ISPs may just prefer usable postmaster accounts to spammers
money.

Oh, and praying for the Stars to Come Right, of course. You've got to do
that.
-- 
Kevin Blackburn                         Kevin@fairbruk.demon.co.uk



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/18
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I'm reacting to following parts of lawless@sing-sing.com (Mr.
President)'s article in alt.binaries.pictures.leek on Sat, 18 Oct 1997
01:03:36 GMT:

>Why not make it simple and post it here in binary?
Because the previous binary was nothing more than a Trojan Horse. 
Only fools think sex is for free. You'll have to go through the works
to get a girl!

Max



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Date: 1997/10/18
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Mr. President schrieb:

> Why not make it simple and post it here in binary?
>
> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:23:47 +1000, patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Gene Sykes wrote:
> >>
> >> gamer08 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > jgindc wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
> <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> >> > > > mSatan wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
> <mudshark@feist.com>
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> >> > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> >> > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>,
> "Henrik Hansen"
> >> > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >> > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> >> > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele
> Finzi"
> >> > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> >> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.
> If you want
> >> > > > me to
> >> > > > > > >> > >attach
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >it
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me
> too" and answer
> >> > > > this
> >> > > > > > >> > >thread.
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > > >> > >> mee too
> >> > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >> > > > > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > > >> > >mee too
> >> > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >> > > > > > >> > >>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> >> > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> >> > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > >> mee too
> >> > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> >> > > > > > >>mee too
> >> > > > > > mee too
> >> > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >   me too
> >> > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> >> > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> >> > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> >> > me to jgindc@ibm.net
> >> mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
> >me too patrick@lavalink.com.au

me too plz syncros@gmx.de THX




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From: lawless@sing-sing.com (Mr. President)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/18
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Why not make it simple and post it here in binary?




On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:23:47 +1000, patrick <patrick@lavalink.com.au>
wrote:

>Gene Sykes wrote:
>> 
>> gamer08 wrote:
>> >
>> > jgindc wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>> > > > mSatan wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>> > > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>> > > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
>> > > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>> > > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>> > > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> > > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want
>> > > > me to
>> > > > > > >> > >attach
>> > > > > > >> > >> >it
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>> > > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
>> > > > this
>> > > > > > >> > >thread.
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>> > > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > >> mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>> > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > >> > >mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > >> > >>>>
>> > > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>> > > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> mee too
>> > > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>> > > > > > >>mee too
>> > > > > > mee too
>> > > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>> > > > >
>> > > > >   me too
>> > > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>> > > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>> > > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>> > me to jgindc@ibm.net
>> mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
>me too patrick@lavalink.com.au




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From: Kendy <kendy@aol.com>
Subject: ADULTCHECK Keymaker ==> IT WILL DRESTROY YOUR WINDOWS 95 .
Date: 1997/10/19
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FUCK , DON'T INSTALL ANYFILE .DLL YOUR WINDOWS IT'S NOT VB-5 BUT IT'S
DANGER THAN VIRUS ! BELIVE ME ....
I JUST D/L IT FROM ONE HOMEPAGE ... I'M SURPRICE I WANT TO THANK YOU THE
HOMEPAGE OWNER ... BUT NO EMAIL ADDRESS ... STUPID ... DON'T GET IT
IF YOU UNZIP IT , IT WILL SWARP AND DESTROY YOUR WINDOWS 95 SYSTEM !

This web site have free Adult ID every day !
http://207.211.209.95/xxpass/



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From: "Maurice Downes (Mo)" <downes1@gte.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/20
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ELCODE AG - St.Margrethen wrote:
> 
> mee too
> 
> scuz bucket <scuz@netspace.net.au> schrieb im Beitrag
> <3449705a.7142068@news.netspace.net.au>...
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:49:34 -0400, "Bryant Bolden"
> > <boldenb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > me too
> >
> >
mee too



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From: "ELCODE AG - St.Margrethen" <admin@elcode.ch>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/20
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mee too


scuz bucket <scuz@netspace.net.au> schrieb im Beitrag
<3449705a.7142068@news.netspace.net.au>...
> On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:49:34 -0400, "Bryant Bolden"
> <boldenb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> me too
> 
> 



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From: Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com>
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/20
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On 17 Oct 1997 RJL@rocketmail.com wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0500, Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com> wrote:
> > On 16 Oct 1997, Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:
> 
> > S.P.(U.T.U.)M. over in alt.binaries.slack is awfully effective at
> > bollocking spammers, but they take care of a.b.s.; might be a nice idea to
> > set up something similar to do a.s.c & a.h.s-i., where neccessary. 
> > 
> > Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze, but it
> > does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and I'm
> > paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.) 
> > 
> > "The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys... nice
> > image to use, perhaps?
>  
> Isn't this pretty much what Kevin dose? There is a lot to be said for
> getting the regulars into this kind of act, the more complaints from
> differnt folks on those who will listen I would think would be more
> effective.

Yup. SPUTUM has some advantages in experience, skill-level in
'net-operations, and pure _knowledge_. However, we can use the trail they
blazed (along with the n.a.n-a.* folk) in antispam operations. 

More individual tracking/complaints are one thing, but we need to combine
that with some level of calmness <G> and proficiency. (Can't get the rep
we need if we're mistracking, or exploding on possibly-innocent
admins.)

> The other think about S.P.T.U.M.'s web site is very informative as to
> what to do with spamers (except I can't find the URL right now)
> "Shub-Internet helps those who feed themselves" Maybe?

Well, the main SPUTUM site I also forget the URL to (my mind has long
since left the building), but it can be found via the Enlow Parody
Pages, a full-site of which resides at www.io.com/~djuneau/Enlow/. <G>

As for identity, it could be anything, as long as it does reference back
to the groups being protected. a.s.c. has the CthulhuBot II, while
a.h.s-i. is blessed by a lack of spammage as yet... but a pre-emptive
strike ain't too bad an idea. (Hell, I'd like to see _more_ groups do
this... it'd cut down on trolling for trouble via other people's
identities, and the like.)

Don




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From: RJL <RJL@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/20
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Don Juneau wrote:
> 

> 
> Yup. SPUTUM has some advantages in experience, skill-level in
> 'net-operations, and pure _knowledge_. However, we can use the trail they
> blazed (along with the n.a.n-a.* folk) in antispam operations.
 
> More individual tracking/complaints are one thing, but we need to combine
> that with some level of calmness <G> and proficiency. (Can't get the rep
> we need if we're mistracking, or exploding on possibly-innocent
> admins.)

Yes, being cool headed about it is the objective. After all we're just
persuading folks to do what is right anyway. I gather most of it is the
admin just doesn't know what's up so a gentle mention will awake them.

> Well, the main SPUTUM site I also forget the URL to (my mind has long
> since left the building), but it can be found via the Enlow Parody
> Pages, a full-site of which resides at www.io.com/~djuneau/Enlow/. <G>

Enlow- now there is a character. Mad as a hatter and it almost seems
like he's possessed by a demon. Can't imagine going on the usernet again
and again to get the abuse he gets.
 
> As for identity, it could be anything, as long as it does reference back
> to the groups being protected. a.s.c. has the CthulhuBot II, while
> a.h.s-i. is blessed by a lack of spammage as yet... but a pre-emptive
> strike ain't too bad an idea. 

Good place for the neophytes like me to warm up on before the big time
spam battles of a.s.c.

> (Hell, I'd like to see _more_ groups do
> this... it'd cut down on trolling for trouble via other people's
> identities, and the like.)

There's something we've been mercifully free off. On the other hand
anyone who has the patience to post regularly to a.s.c. doesn't troll
too easy anyway.


-- 
Ia the Black Goat of a Thousand Servers

RJL /  Shub-Toy

Priest of the 1st Reformed, Revived, Orthodox Lacherarian Tradition Cult
of Thee Shub,  Glorious Lady of the Internet, Cosmic Fertility Goddess, 
She who is the Giver and Taker of  Life.



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From: soul_crusher@geocities.com (Bob the Soul Crusher)
Subject: Re: POD: Unbelievable
Date: 1997/10/21
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On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:29:49 -0500, Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com> was
tortured until the following was written:

>On 17 Oct 1997 RJL@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:52:57 -0500, Don Juneau <djuneau@io.com> wrote:
>> > On 16 Oct 1997, Gregory Loren Hansen wrote:
>> 
>> > S.P.(U.T.U.)M. over in alt.binaries.slack is awfully effective at
>> > bollocking spammers, but they take care of a.b.s.; might be a nice idea to
>> > set up something similar to do a.s.c & a.h.s-i., where neccessary. 
>> > 
>> > Tracking and smacking is what's needed; it's a long grueling ooze, but it
>> > does work. (Recently, I've been blowing off mailspam-savaging, and I'm
>> > paying the price in a helluva lot of batbarf daily.) 
>> > 
>> > "The Hands That Feed"- Y'Golonac's own gaping maws-upon-they-keys... nice
>> > image to use, perhaps?
>>  
>> Isn't this pretty much what Kevin dose? There is a lot to be said for
>> getting the regulars into this kind of act, the more complaints from
>> differnt folks on those who will listen I would think would be more
>> effective.
>
>Yup. SPUTUM has some advantages in experience, skill-level in
>'net-operations, and pure _knowledge_. However, we can use the trail they
>blazed (along with the n.a.n-a.* folk) in antispam operations. 

I've jsut started reading a.b.s, a.s and n.a.n-a.u in the last few
days, and have read my weight in FAQs recently <no small feat, I
assure you>, but have yet to find a decent explanation of tracking
and/or smacking, preferably both in one fluid motion.  Obviously, it
has to do with the headers, but beyond that I'm as clueless as a
fresh-from-the-computer-store-newbie.  Well maybe not _that_ clueless.

>More individual tracking/complaints are one thing, but we need to combine
>that with some level of calmness <G> and proficiency. (Can't get the rep
>we need if we're mistracking, or exploding on possibly-innocent
>admins.)

Calmness?  I got calmness out the wazoo.  It is one of the many
favourable traits that has been bestowed upon me by the Great Lady
Shub-Internet.

>> The other think about S.P.T.U.M.'s web site is very informative as to
>> what to do with spamers (except I can't find the URL right now)
>> "Shub-Internet helps those who feed themselves" Maybe?
>
>Well, the main SPUTUM site I also forget the URL to (my mind has long
>since left the building), but it can be found via the Enlow Parody
>Pages, a full-site of which resides at www.io.com/~djuneau/Enlow/. <G>

www.sputum.com is the main site.  Or the entrance thereof.

>As for identity, it could be anything, as long as it does reference back
>to the groups being protected. a.s.c. has the CthulhuBot II, while
>a.h.s-i. is blessed by a lack of spammage as yet... but a pre-emptive
>strike ain't too bad an idea. (Hell, I'd like to see _more_ groups do
>this... it'd cut down on trolling for trouble via other people's
>identities, and the like.)

'Ask not what your Shub can do for you, ask what you can do for your
Shub' perhaps?  I certainly like it <g>.  That would be the calm
approach, of course.  'Foul servant of S'Pam, feel the bite of my
cancelbot!' for repeat offenders? 
--
Ia Shub-Internet, Black Goat of a Thousand Servers!

Ask not what your Shub can do for you,
Ask what you can do for your Shub.

From the twisted mind of the prophet of 
Shub-Internet, Bob the Soul-Crusher.
soul_crusher@geocities,com



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From: "Mr. Clean" <gboy18@rocketmail.com>
Subject: VIRUS ALERT
Date: 1997/10/23
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Adult check keymaker and some sites may contain a virus!!!!Proceed at Own
risk!!!!!!!




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From: me@here.com
Subject: http://www.icok.net/~bigdude/x.html
Date: 1997/10/23
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http://www.icok.net/~bigdude/x.html



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From: "WONG HONG DONG" <Iam@home.too>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/26
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Stay Away from adultcheckkeymakers!!! They have viruses!!! Don'tbelieve me?
Go ahead then...




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From: "WaRLoCK" <warlock@technologist.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/29
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me too warlock@technologist.com








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From: Chris & Christine <csquared@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Manual Remove
Date: 1997/10/30
Message-ID: <345888DF.438C@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>#1/1
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Chris & Christine wrote:
> 
> cXXXXXX@worldnet.att.net
> cXXXXXX@bellsouth.net
> gXXXXXX@geocities.net
> 
> I receive entirely too much UCE from Cyberpromotions. If I receive any
> more unsolicited commercial email through cyberpromotions after this
> remove process, I will be billing the same company $500 for each offense
> as allowable by US Federal Code.
> 
> A copy of this is being sent to abuse@fcc.gov and my isp
> 
> cyberout@thehitman.com wrote:
> >  If you have had trouble removing yourself ... or ...
> >  If you wish to remove up to 10 email addresses from
> >  Cyber Promotions' e-mailing list, simply send an email
> >  to manremove@cyberpromo.com and type the Internet-notated

-- 
___________________________________________________________
      _   _       To send mail, simply remove "spamBeGone_"
     '\\-//`  
      (o -)            All non-spam e-mail welcome.
--ooO--(|)--Ooo--        
        "
    http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1826/index.html
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From: tukuul@icecold.org (TuKuuL)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker: Anything you guys need, and I have , is yours.
Date: 1997/11/01
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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:51:58 GMT, wraithxxx@hotmail.com (Wraith XXX)
wrote:

>"WaRLoCK" <warlock@technologist.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>me too warlock@technologist.com
>>
>
>If someone can post this, I would be grateful.
>
>Thanks a lot
>Jean
>
>Anything you guys need, and I have , is yours.


Cool.  I need your car, your home, and whatever money you have in your
wallet.   Thanks!





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From: Chris & Christine <csquared@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
Subject: Manual Remove UNHEEDED - This is a bill.
Date: 1997/11/03
Message-ID: <345DE21D.38AC@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
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mailed to: ajackson@CYBER-PAGES.NET
cced to: abuse@fcc.gov, abuse@bellsouth.net, domreg@CYBERPROMO.COM
_________________________________________________
Hoek Industries CYBER-PAGES2-DOM
P.O. Box 130544
St Paul, MN 55113-0005

Billing Contact:
Jackson, Aaron  AJ1054  ajackson@CYBER-PAGES.NET
(612)646-8174 (FAX) (612)646-8174

Dear Mr. Aaron Jackson:

Cyberpages - a division of Cyberpromotions - has sent the below
forwarded and snipped UBE/UCE to my email address after I clearly asked
for removal from their list. This is a bill.

Please remit $500  in the form of a bank certified check to me at the
following address.

Chris Sparnicht              [NG NOTE: All address information
XXX XXXXX Avenue            in this posting has been "X-ed" out
XXXXXX GA XXXXX                     to reduce spam]

I suggest that the three exibited items below show proof that
Cyberpromotions has offended me by sending UCE even after asking them
not to, and am therefore entitled to the above fee of $500 as regulated
by US federal code.

This will also be forwarded sans my inline email addresses to:
news.admin.net-abuse, news.admin.net-abuse.email, and
news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

Sincerely,

Chris Sparnicht

___________________________________________________
EXIBIT A - Internic Whois Data
___________________________________________________

Hoek Industries CYBER-PAGES2-DOM
   P.O. Box 130544
   St Paul, MN 55113-0005

   Domain Name: CYBER-PAGES.NET

   Administrative Contact:
      Jackson, Aaron  AJ1054  ajackson@CYBER-PAGES.NET
      (612)646-8174 (FAX) (612)646-8174
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Wallace, Sanford  SW1708  domreg@CYBERPROMO.COM
      215-628-9780
   Billing Contact:
      Jackson, Aaron  AJ1054  ajackson@CYBER-PAGES.NET
      (612)646-8174 (FAX) (612)646-8174

   Record last updated on 29-Oct-97.
   Record created on 19-Aug-97.
   Database last updated on 2-Nov-97 05:52:34 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.ICSINC.NET               151.201.64.7
   NS9.CYBERPROMO.COM           209.40.15.21

___________________________________________________
EXIBIT B - On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 I wrote:
___________________________________________________

> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> Message-ID: <345887FF.78D6@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:13:35 -0500
> From: Chris & Christine <cXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: cXXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net
> Organization: The Essential Gardener
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: manremove@cyberpromo.com
> CC: abuse@fcc.gov, abuse@bellsouth.net
> Subject: Re: Manual Remove
> References: <971030031001.4.4709@mtigwc02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> cXXXXXXX@worldnet.att.net
> cXXXXXXX@bellsouth.net
> gXXXXXXX@geocities.net
> 
> 
> I receive entirely too much UCE from Cyberpromotions. If I receive any
> more unsolicited commercial email through cyberpromotions after this
> remove process, I will be billing the same company $500 for each offense
> as allowable by US Federal Code.
> 
> A copy of this is being sent to abuse@fcc.gov and my isp
> 
> cyberout@thehitman.com wrote:
> >  If you have had trouble removing yourself ... or ...
> >  If you wish to remove up to 10 email addresses from
> >  Cyber Promotions' e-mailing list, simply send an email
> >  to manremove@cyberpromo.com and type the Internet-notated

___________________________________________________
EXIBIT C - On Mon, 03 Nov 97, Cyber-pages, a division of Cyberpromo
wrote:
___________________________________________________

> Received: from mail1.bellsouth.net (mail1.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.6])
>         by mail.lig (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20906
>         for <CXXXXXXX@lig.bellsouth.net>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 05:20:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: Money@cyber-pages.net
> Received: from cyberpage.cyber-pages.net ([151.201.64.13])
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From: "Lonely In St. Louis" <lonely_in_stlouis@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/11/03
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 > Stay Away from adultcheckkeymakers!!! They have viruses!!! Don'tbelieve
 > me?  Go ahead then...


   No kidding. If you just look in the batch file, one of the first things
it wants to do is delete your command.com.

    And if you really think about it, how could a program make a key file
anyway? With Adult check (and others) you need to enter your
number/name/password and then have their server validate it. Even if this
program did make a keyfile, how would the adultcheck server approve it?



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From: taylor.nospam@mindspring.com (Taylor)
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
Date: 1997/11/06
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On 6 Nov 1997 06:25:20 GMT, the bonehead ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
(Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>DfrntDrums (dfrntdrums@aol.com) wrote:
>: >With CAUCE's well-known
>: >reputation as anti-semites, 
>: 
>: Where in the world does this statement come from???  The word of one
>:  pseudo-Muslim?
>
>A few months ago, several CAUCE members participated in public postings and
>private emails to me which discussed their irrational hatred for Jewish
>people.  Some of these comments included CAUCE members saying that Jews
>were unwanted folowed by tacit suggestions that such comments were both
>amusing and representative of CAUCE.  It goes without saying that these
>comments from CAUCE were grossly offensive to a number of people and
>led to some members resigning from the group in disgust.
>
>So far CAUCE has neither denied nor apologized for these anti-semitic
>remarks but several members are trying to get away from this issue
>either to cover it up or because they don't want to admit to themselves
>what sort of organization CAUCE is.

Whatever Speedy, you better put your lips back on Speedbumps ass
before it gets any colder than it is.


Taylor
Netscum (RIP 10-16-97) Extraordinaire
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Tired of UCE/UBE? JOIN 
                 www.cauce.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I would like to see you go ahead and try it, 
you self-scintillating Sasquatch of stupidity.  
You would have my agents calling you on the
phone within minutes, and the police knocking 
on your door with an arrest warrant within the 
hour.  I will not tolerate your self-pergatorical 
libelling of my good name throughout the pristine
pastures of Usenet." -Jeffery D. Hunt's response to 
Bobby Tendinitis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: Sc@Cat.com (Felix)
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
Date: 1997/11/06
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>DfrntDrums (dfrntdrums@aol.com) wrote:
>: >With CAUCE's well-known
>: >reputation as anti-semites, 
>: 
>: Where in the world does this statement come from???  The word of one
>:  pseudo-Muslim?
>
>A few months ago, several CAUCE members participated in public postings and
>private emails to me which discussed their irrational hatred for Jewish
>people.
Translation: One person posted a comment that Ricky thought was
anti-semitic, and others sent him email telling him he was an asshole.



>  Some of these comments included CAUCE members saying that Jews
>were unwanted folowed by tacit suggestions that such comments were both
>amusing and representative of CAUCE.
Translation: ONE of the comments was by a CAUCE member who mentioned
that Jews were unwanted in Spain during the Spanish Inquisition and
implied that people there were still biased against jews.  He had a
"support CAUCE" logo in his sig.



>It goes without saying that these
>comments from CAUCE
Actually, as Ricky well knows, these comments were not from CAUCE, they
were from someone who happens to belong to CAUCE.

> were grossly offensive to a number of people
That number being one - Ricky himself.  All others thought "Yeah, well
that's true."


> and
>led to some members resigning from the group in disgust.
A kook proclaimed his "disgust".


>So far CAUCE has neither denied nor apologized for these anti-semitic
>remarks
Nor will it, because it never made them.  And, they were one remark.
And, they weren't anti-semitic.


> but several members are trying to get away from this issue
>either to cover it up or because they don't want to admit to themselves
>what sort of organization CAUCE is.
Standard kook delusions.



>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
maintainer of an UNofficial faq (actually and opinion piece)


>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
Ricky's pervasive quote about masturbation.




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From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach)
Subject: Re: Dead Cows Versus Dead Jews
Date: 1997/11/06
Message-ID: <63sun1$df1$3@darla.visi.com>#1/1
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In article <63rnsg$hg1$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>A few months ago, several CAUCE members participated in public postings and
>private emails to me which discussed their irrational hatred for Jewish
>people.  Some of these comments included CAUCE members saying that Jews
>were unwanted folowed by tacit suggestions that such comments were both
>amusing and representative of CAUCE.  It goes without saying that these
>comments from CAUCE were grossly offensive to a number of people and
>led to some members resigning from the group in disgust.

Uhm.  Okay, I take it back, he's dumb as a brick *AND* he's lying.

>So far CAUCE has neither denied nor apologized for these anti-semitic
>remarks but several members are trying to get away from this issue
>either to cover it up or because they don't want to admit to themselves
>what sort of organization CAUCE is.

Uhm.  This is the first I've ever heard of these alleged anti-semitic
remarks from anyone other than the Fake Libyan, and for all I know,
that was just K*ld*s acting up again.  Hmm... Oh, wait!

You're probably thinking of the forged CAUCE emails that went out months
ago, which were generally laughed at!  I don't recall them being
anti-semitic, but then, I don't think I actually read them...

If you are actually not lying, and you really didn't realize that those
were forgeries and trolls, I will be forced to admit that you're not
as dumb as a brick.

You're dumber.

-s
-- 
seebs@plethora.net -- Speaking for myself.  No spam please.
Copyright 1997.  All rights reserved.  This was not written by my cat.
C/Unix wizard - send mail for help! -- <URL:http://www.plethora.net/~seebs>
<URL:http://www.plethora.net/> - More Net, Less Spam!



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From: milton.brewster@eng.sun.com
Subject: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/06
Message-ID: <878846389.4073@dejanews.com>#1/1
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This note is just to acknowledge that Michael, Vincent and several
other self-professed Nazis have spammed perhaps a dozen political
newsgroups today, with what I calculate to be over 737 messages
so far.

I acknowledge this, to encourage ALL political posters, Liberal,
Libertarian, Conservative and otherwise, to continue posting. Spam
is very discouraging, but discouragement like this is part of
free speech sometimes.

* * * * * * *

Do you want to do something about this?  There are a few things
you can do.

*)  Complain to abuse@juno.com and abuse@hotmail, where some of this
    spam originates. Always ask that their account be cancelled
    immediately.

*)  Set your 'kill' filter to delete this krap before you see it.
    If you don't know how; then ask someone.  I use the Gravity
    newsreader, which is GREAT with kill filters.

*)  Forward some of this spam to news.admin.net-abuse and other
    groups in the news* hierarchy.  Ask them politely to cancel this spam.

*)  Look at the COMPLETE HEADERS for some of this spam.  Complain
    to EVERY SERVICE PROVIDER you can identify.  Identify these
    people as self-professed Nazis in your complaint. Always ask
    that their account be cancelled immediately. Be polite.

*)  Make it a point to respond to respond to a sincere political
    post today.  Find anything, even something that bores you.
    Encourage that original poster to post again.

*)  There are some anti-spam FAQs on the net.  Use your browser
    and Alta Vista or Hotbot to find them.  Read up on what else
    you can do.  Fighting spam isn't just for techies any more.


For you newbies; this isn't the first time that Nazis have attacked
the net like this.  We go through the routine probably once a year.
It does these guys no good to do this, but they never seem to catch
on.

Keep posting,


milt brewster




-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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From: nationalist@juno.com (Michael)
Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/06
Message-ID: <346d4035.11718550@news.hollinet.com>
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On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:11:21 -0600, milton.brewster@eng.sun.com lied:

<snip>

EMAILED TO MILTY AND THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES.


Miltys post appears in mine below.

From: nationalist
To: milton.brewster@eng.sun.com
Cc: abuse@sun.com,postmaster@sun.com,postmaster@dejanews.com,,
	abuse@juno.com,postmaster@juno.com,abuse@dejanews.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:37 -0800
Subject: ABUSE, LIBEL AND HARRASSMENT OF MILTON BREWSTER
Message-ID: <19971106.140539.3822.1.nationalist@juno.com>

From: nationalist
To: milton.brewster@eng.sun.com
Cc: abuse@sun.com,postmaster@sun.com,postmaster@dejanews.com,
	 abuse@juno.com,postmaster@juno.com,abuse@dejanews.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:59:47 -0800
Message-ID: <19971106.135949.3822.0.nationalist@juno.com>

To all:

On 11/06/97 milton brewster posted or caused to be posted a libelous Usenet posting
on talk.politics.libertarian

Mr. Brewster alleges that I am a "self-professed Nazi" 

talk.politics.libertarian (and any cross-posted group) is a non-moderated group that
does not have a charter nor has ever had one. This has been independently verified by
several ISP's prior to my posting there. I have completely complied with the rules as
a good netizen and an ehthusiastic fan and user of Juno.

Below is the post by Mr. Brewster on "how" to censor people so he doesn't have to
listen to things he doesn't like to hear. He admits that he has an effective killfile
option which solves his problem but apparently prefers not to use it.

Over the last few weeks I and others have continuously posted with proof that I and
the organization I belong to (but am NOT a spokesman for, nor do I have any official
title) is not a 'Nazi' organization. This is my central gripe. Mr. Brewster knowingly
has attempted to smear me as such in spite of my postings to the contrary.

It is because of the hereinabove statements that Mr. Brewster's post to Usenet is
nothing more than an attempt to harass me. Further he is inciting others to do so.
Under other circumstances (moderated-chartered newsgroup) I would not have a problem
with what he is suggesting. Except, that is, for his repeated libel. However, as no
rules or regulations have been broken my posts are entirely appropriate albeit
unpopular.

Thank you.

With Headers included, Mr. Brewsters post:

From: milton.brewster@eng.sun.com
Subject: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:11:21 -0600
Message-ID: <878846389.4073@dejanews.com>
Newsgroups:
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Xref: news.tdl.com talk.politics.libertarian:279497 alt.society.liberalism:58963
alt.politics.usa.constitution:161846 alt.politics.democrats.d:268513

This note is just to acknowledge that Michael, Vincent and several
other self-professed Nazis have spammed perhaps a dozen political
newsgroups today, with what I calculate to be over 737 messages
so far.

I acknowledge this, to encourage ALL political posters, Liberal,
Libertarian, Conservative and otherwise, to continue posting. Spam
is very discouraging, but discouragement like this is part of
free speech sometimes.

* * * * * * *

Do you want to do something about this?  There are a few things
you can do.

*)  Complain to abuse@juno.com and abuse@hotmail, where some of this
    spam originates. Always ask that their account be cancelled
    immediately.

*)  Set your 'kill' filter to delete this krap before you see it.
    If you don't know how; then ask someone.  I use the Gravity
    newsreader, which is GREAT with kill filters.

*)  Forward some of this spam to news.admin.net-abuse and other
    groups in the news* hierarchy.  Ask them politely to cancel this spam.

*)  Look at the COMPLETE HEADERS for some of this spam.  Complain
    to EVERY SERVICE PROVIDER you can identify.  Identify these
    people as self-professed Nazis in your complaint. Always ask
    that their account be cancelled immediately. Be polite.

*)  Make it a point to respond to respond to a sincere political
    post today.  Find anything, even something that bores you.
    Encourage that original poster to post again.

*)  There are some anti-spam FAQs on the net.  Use your browser
    and Alta Vista or Hotbot to find them.  Read up on what else
    you can do.  Fighting spam isn't just for techies any more.


For you newbies; this isn't the first time that Nazis have attacked
the net like this.  We go through the routine probably once a year.
It does these guys no good to do this, but they never seem to catch
on.

Keep posting,


milt brewster

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
As you can see Mr. Brewster is obsessed with whatever or whoever he thinks is a
'nazi'.


MIchael

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Michael
nationalist@juno.com
"http://www.natall.com"
"http://www.natvan.com"

National Vanguard Books
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV   24946

"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
in some degree that his life belongs to his race."

                                ----Phillips Brooks

+++++++++++++++++++++++++



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From: walther@nineties.com (Hansjoerg Walther)
Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/06
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Hello Milton,


thanks for the post. Another thing one might do is email spam
back to the sender with a remark like:

'inappropriate spam, return to sender'.

AFAICS, you will have to remove the spamblock in
ourhero@hotmail.com


Best regards,

Hansjoerg Walther.





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Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/06
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Reply-To: walther@nineties.com
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Hello Milton,


I think it also appropriate to send a copy to the National
Alliance at national@natvan.com


Best regards,

Hansjoerg Walther.




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From: silversm@law.harvard.edu (Jol Silversmith)
Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/07
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In article <346d4035.11718550@news.hollinet.com>, nationalist@juno.com
(Michael) wrote:


> Over the last few weeks I and others have continuously posted with proof that 
> I and
> the organization I belong to (but am NOT a spokesman for, nor do I have any 
> official
> title) is not a 'Nazi' organization.

And it is, of course, entirely coincidental that it's leader, William
Pierce, was once a publicist, magazine editor, etc. for the American Nazi
Party.

And indeed, we eagerly await a libel lawsuit over the more than 150
newspaper articles published since 1995 that have identified the National
Alliance as a neo-Nazi organization.

-- 
Jol A. Silversmith __________________________ silversm@law.harvard.edu
http://www.nyx.net/~jsilvers/index.html _______ jasilver@ix.netcom.com
Opinions are my own, and should not be construed as legal advice, etc.



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From: zeppholdthespam@snowcrest.net (Zepp Weasel)
Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/08
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On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:16:59 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael)
wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:11:21 -0600, milton.brewster@eng.sun.com lied:
>
><snip>
>
>EMAILED TO MILTY AND THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES.

[snip nazi bullshit, but I'll keep Milts, just to be annoying]

$20.45, little nazi.  That means that in my newsgroup alone, I've
spotted 409 of your worthless, canned spiels on how evil this group or
that group is.  It doesn't even include your silly little posts where
you try to justify the spam by putting in a few hand-typed posts
calling me a Jew or Kennemur a libertarian.  

I see you've run away from me, little nazi.  But I haven't run away
from you.  Kissy, kissy.

>This note is just to acknowledge that Michael, Vincent and several
>other self-professed Nazis have spammed perhaps a dozen political
>newsgroups today, with what I calculate to be over 737 messages
>so far.
>
>I acknowledge this, to encourage ALL political posters, Liberal,
>Libertarian, Conservative and otherwise, to continue posting. Spam
>is very discouraging, but discouragement like this is part of
>free speech sometimes.
>
>* * * * * * *
>
>Do you want to do something about this?  There are a few things
>you can do.
>
>*)  Complain to abuse@juno.com and abuse@hotmail, where some of this
>    spam originates. Always ask that their account be cancelled
>    immediately.
>
>*)  Set your 'kill' filter to delete this krap before you see it.
>    If you don't know how; then ask someone.  I use the Gravity
>    newsreader, which is GREAT with kill filters.
>
>*)  Forward some of this spam to news.admin.net-abuse and other
>    groups in the news* hierarchy.  Ask them politely to cancel this spam.
>
>*)  Look at the COMPLETE HEADERS for some of this spam.  Complain
>    to EVERY SERVICE PROVIDER you can identify.  Identify these
>    people as self-professed Nazis in your complaint. Always ask
>    that their account be cancelled immediately. Be polite.
>
>*)  Make it a point to respond to respond to a sincere political
>    post today.  Find anything, even something that bores you.
>    Encourage that original poster to post again.
>
>*)  There are some anti-spam FAQs on the net.  Use your browser
>    and Alta Vista or Hotbot to find them.  Read up on what else
>    you can do.  Fighting spam isn't just for techies any more.
>
>
>For you newbies; this isn't the first time that Nazis have attacked
>the net like this.  We go through the routine probably once a year.
>It does these guys no good to do this, but they never seem to catch
>on.
>
>Keep posting,
>
>
>milt brewster
>
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
>      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>

=====================================================================
"So, I guess the BETTER solution would be "INCOME BASED EDUCATION"
Where one's income is the deciding factor in how good an education his/her
children receive??
Great Plan.. Now, we need a monarchy."

					-- DA MAN
Be good, servile little citizen employees, and pay your taxes so the
rich don't have to.
=====================================================================
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spambots.



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: A plea for honor. Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
Message-ID: <647g81$dca@bonkers.taronga.com>#1/1
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In article <647dfk$st0$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: Steve professes to be against censorship, but thinks nothing of 
>: harassing those who disagree with him. He has even contacted the 
>: employers of those whose posts he dislikes, in efforts to have the 
>: posters disciplined or terminated. Pretty strange actions for someone 
>: who believes in free speech.

>You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
>are attacking free speech.

You and he claim that they are, but neither of you have provided a single
atom of evidence that any of your claims are anything but pure unadulterated
lies, like your foul allegation about people's antisemitism on the grounds
that they happen to disagree with you.

It's odd that not a single one of the people you and he are claiming to
be censors has ever managed to cut off anyone's net access, that they have
encouraged people like Sanford Wallace, Lawrence Cantor, and the other
mailbombers and news flooders to engage in open and online discussion,
whereas it's Steve and his buddies who go around digging up ways to abuse
loopholes in laws and pecadillos to silence their critics.

Now which of these groups of people sound like opponents of free speech?

>Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
>free speech and should be rightly censored.

Oh, that's a good one, Rick. That's sigfile fodder.

>If no one stood up for
>free speech then the censors would eventually be victorious.

That's why I'm standing up for free speech against censors like you and Steve.

I call on you and Steve to stand by your expressed wishes, and work for
true free speech, for a world where the ability to speak isn't only
reserved for the elite, the rich, and the amoral.

Renounce your vandalism, your censorship through intimidation, your
censorship theough abusive litigation, your attempts to shout your
opponents down and smear them with lies and fraud and forgery.

Usenet provides the tools where finally everyone's voice can be found by
the people interested in what they have to say, where you don't have to
be on Madison Avenue, Fleet Street, or the White House to trick your way
into people's minds. But any tool can be abused, and bulk posting, massive
fraudulent crossposting, and other petty tricks of schoolyard bullies like
Jeff Slaton and Steve Boursy prevent people who really need them from
being able to effectively use them.

Are you simply an amoral sociopath, whoever you are behind that mask, does
true freedom for everyone to find their own bully pulpit scare you, or is
there hope that the vision that once lived in Usenet can work its way through
your craggy exterior to some inner soul that still cares about anyone other
than itself?

-- 

This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document




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From: donzeigler@inetone.net (Don Zeigler)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
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On 10 Nov 1997 16:41:24 GMT, Ricardo Hector Gonzales bequeathed the 
following post to Usenet:

> : Steve professes to be against censorship, but thinks nothing of 
> : harassing those who disagree with him. He has even contacted the 
> : employers of those whose posts he dislikes, in efforts to have the 
> : posters disciplined or terminated. Pretty strange actions for someone 
> : who believes in free speech.
> 
> You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
> are attacking free speech.  It it morally correct and noble for Steve
> to attack censors because the enemies of free speech are the enemies
> of society.  Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
> free speech and should be rightly censored.  If no one stood up for
> free speech then the censors would eventually be victorious.

So, you support free speech and advocate censorship as well? How can 
you straddle the fence like that and expect to be taken seriously? 
Talk about hypocrisy...
-- 
-=]Don Zeigler[=--=]Hillbilly Hades[=-
Fight spam: http://www.cauce.org
            http://www.abuse.net
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From: jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
>free speech and should be rightly censored.

QUOTE!  QUOTE!!!

-- 
J. Porter Clark    jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov
NASA/MSFC Flight Data Systems Branch



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
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In article <34679f81.530189@news.visi.com>,
Jim Manson <jmanson@nospam.visi.com> wrote:
>Others have made a value judgment that spammers also don't
>have a right to free speech.

No they haven't. You've fallen into his trap.

Fraud and vandalism are not acceptable uses of free speech, BUT that
doesn't mean that spammers don't have a right to make themselves heard when
they're not engaged in fraud and vandalism. In fact we frequently ask
spammers to take part in the free exchange of ideeas, and excersize their
freedom of speech, to defend their positions.

-- 

This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document




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From: marc@OfficeWizardSPAM.com (Marc Donovan)
Subject: Re: Nazi Spam Attack in Political Newsgroups
Date: 1997/11/10
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nationalist@juno.com (Michael) wrote:

[...]


>This note is just to acknowledge that Michael, Vincent and several
>other self-professed Nazis have spammed perhaps a dozen political
>newsgroups today, with what I calculate to be over 737 messages
>so far.

>I acknowledge this, to encourage ALL political posters, Liberal,
>Libertarian, Conservative and otherwise, to continue posting. Spam
>is very discouraging, but discouragement like this is part of
>free speech sometimes.

>* * * * * * *

>Do you want to do something about this?  There are a few things
>you can do.

>*)  Complain to abuse@juno.com and abuse@hotmail, where some of this
>    spam originates. Always ask that their account be cancelled
>    immediately.

>*)  Set your 'kill' filter to delete this krap before you see it.
>    If you don't know how; then ask someone.  I use the Gravity
>    newsreader, which is GREAT with kill filters.

>*)  Forward some of this spam to news.admin.net-abuse and other
>    groups in the news* hierarchy.  Ask them politely to cancel this spam.

>*)  Look at the COMPLETE HEADERS for some of this spam.  Complain
>    to EVERY SERVICE PROVIDER you can identify.  Identify these
>    people as self-professed Nazis in your complaint. Always ask
>    that their account be cancelled immediately. Be polite.

>*)  Make it a point to respond to respond to a sincere political
>    post today.  Find anything, even something that bores you.
>    Encourage that original poster to post again.

>*)  There are some anti-spam FAQs on the net.  Use your browser
>    and Alta Vista or Hotbot to find them.  Read up on what else
>    you can do.  Fighting spam isn't just for techies any more.


>For you newbies; this isn't the first time that Nazis have attacked
>the net like this.  We go through the routine probably once a year.
>It does these guys no good to do this, but they never seem to catch
>on.

[...]

>As you can see Mr. Brewster is obsessed with whatever or whoever he thinks is a
>'nazi'.

That's all you see here?  Just "Nazi"?  Use your wordprocessor to
replace "nazi" with "nationalist" and read it again.





Marc Donovan
10-4 Systems
Office Wizard - Office Management System
AMS - Pesticide Tracking System
www.OfficeWizard.com
marc@OfficeWizardSPAM.com





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From: trebor@sirius.com
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
>are attacking free speech.  It it morally correct and noble for Steve

Bullshit. All you need to get on Steve's bad side is disagree with him on
rent control. Then he tried to call your boss and get you fired.

You're achieving record lows, Ricky.



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From: "William A. Levinson" <wlevinso@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com>
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/10
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:

> : Steve professes to be against censorship, but thinks nothing of
> : harassing those who disagree with him. He has even contacted the
> : employers of those whose posts he dislikes, in efforts to have the
> : posters disciplined or terminated. Pretty strange actions for someone
> : who believes in free speech.
>
> You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
> are attacking free speech.  It it morally correct and noble for Steve
> to attack censors because the enemies of free speech are the enemies
> of society.  Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
> free speech and should be rightly censored.  If no one stood up for
> free speech then the censors would eventually be victorious.

Go away, Sanford. Is that you, Sanford Wallace, or is it "Gladys Crocker" at
Nancynet? Mad because your spamhauses got burned down by Agis? Awwwww, that's
too bad, you should have honored those removal requests...  Or are you merely
working for the spammers to discredit CAUCE?
Re: Peter DaSilva's "plea for honor"- spammers have no honor!

Klingon: "Spammers have the honor of Ferengi con artists!"
Ferengi: "That's an insult to Ferengi con artists!"
Jabba the Hutt: "Spammers aren't even my kind of scum!"

--
William A. Levinson  http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/delenda.html
Spam Delenda Est
My real address is wlevinso@ CONNECT PARTS TO REPLY ix.netcom.com





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In article <648ij0$bqm$2@usenet87.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>It's a shame you don't remember why I started monitoring the net abuse
>groups.

Enlighten us. I don't recall you ever explaining why, and if you ever
actually engaged people in coherent, rational, and responsive debate
it was so long ago most of the people you're talking to now, like Bill
Levinson, weren't yet around these precincts.

>If one of your guys hadn't started a censorship campaign and
>the rest of you didn't try to cover it up then I would have no interest.

Evidence. If you provide evidence, you get a response. If you flame about
random non-specifics and start making up charges of racism and religious
hatred with no evidence, you get a lot of people wondering just what drugs
you're on.

People have been asking you to provide evidence of *any* of the charges
you post and insinuate into your so-called FAQs. You provide nothing but
more attacks and whines that we're not taking you seriously, like this
one, with john birch hints about coverups and conspiracies, and which
you again can provide no evidence for.

The answer to false speech is not censorship. I wouldn't dream of forcing
you to stop.  No, the answer to false speech is more speech, like this
demand that you provide proof or stand exposed, once again, as nothing more
than a failed con artist.

-- 

This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
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From: dbromage@metz.une.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/11
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Jim Manson (jmanson@nospam.visi.com) wrote:
>Others have made a value judgment that spammers also don't
>have a right to free speech.

"Others" includes several judges.

Cheers
David



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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

> Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
>free speech and should be rightly censored.  


Just when you think Ric can't get any dumber than before.


Ok Ric, you have made a value judgment that those that don't agree
with *your* definition of free speech don't have any right to free
speech. Others have made a value judgment that spammers also don't
have a right to free speech. What makes you think that their value
judgment is worthy of less weight than yours? 


Of course considering you advocate (or at least orgasm when thinking
about it) blowing up those you don't agree with I doubt if there us
any rational basis involved. 


>-Ric "Rah unabomber" G.





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On 11 Nov 1997 03:10:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector
Gonzales) wrote:

:WD Baseley (wbaseley@mindspring.com) wrote:
:: Hear, hear.  He has lost his permission to speak.
:: 
:: Shut up, Ricardo.  You do not have permission to speak.
:
:Are you a CAUCE member too?  The rest of us will not be tolerant of
:censors like you.

I guess you're humor-impaired, too.

--
	 Seth Jackson's Songwriting and Music Business Page -
                http://www.mindspring.com/~hitmeister

 *Songwriting and the Music Business, plus Los Angeles "Country Notes"*	



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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
>WD Baseley (wbaseley@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: Hear, hear.  He has lost his permission to speak.
>: 
>: Shut up, Ricardo.  You do not have permission to speak.
>
>Are you a CAUCE member too?  The rest of us will not be tolerant of
>censors like you.

You mean like the censors such as Net Nanny and Surf Watch used on the
netscum pages? They censor based on content.

Cheers
David



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: CAUCE sends more junk mail....
Date: 1997/11/11
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In article <6490g2$r7v$1@usenet87.supernews.com>,
Speedy G <ricardo@paranoia.com> wrote:
>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: In article <648ij0$bqm$2@usenet87.supernews.com>,
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: >It's a shame you don't remember why I started monitoring the net abuse
>: >groups.

>: Enlighten us. I don't recall you ever explaining why

>This was a series of incidents intiated by Michael Scheidell who has
>since apparently fallen out of favor with you guys.  The threads and
>posted proof on this were posted for several months before you all
>showed that you were closing ranks and wouldn't admit that he was
>acting unethically.

Whether or not Scheidell is in favor or not, if he's doing things you don't
like in the florida hierarchy that's something you need to take up with the
people who handle fl.*. Whether or not he's stepped over some line you
perceive it's none of our business.

Would you like it if we started applying Usenet II standards to Usenet and
Altnet? If you want a more open system in Florida, then you can always do
what we did with alt.* and create an alternate Florida hierarchy (you could
use florida.*, fla.*, or anything else. If your model is more popular, then
you win. If it isn't, then perhaps he's not doing such a bad job after all.

Where he *did* step over the line in retromoderating rec.music.christian and
later his alt.org.promisekeepers, which aren't part of the Florida groups he's
managing, we did respond and were able to eventually stop it.

If you see solving the problem where we had some ability to do so as closing
ranks and denying it exists, well I'm sorry but I'd suggest you find another
optometrist.

And your posts were never particularly rational and coherent even then.
Probably because you made some false assumptions as to who you were dealing
with here... and I'll get back to that later on in this message.

>It's rare that you'll find a coherent, ration, and responsive debate
>in these newsgroups.

It wouldn't be if you didn't come in with your bullying accusations of
antisemitism and provable lies. Like the one where you promised to make
certain corrections in your so-called "FAQ", and then never did.

>: Evidence. If you provide evidence, you get a response.

>The response was pathological denial.

So you're saying that he's still trying to retromoderate rec.music.christian?

If the only response was "pathological denial" then obviously we didn't do
anything to stop it and it's still going on. If it is, then you can provide
the evidence quite easily, and we'll have to talk to Scheidell again.

The only "pathological denial" around here is yours.

>Evidence was posted two years ago met with denial.

You mis-spelled "a resolution of the problem where we could do anything
about it, and constructve suggestions as to what you could do to deal with
it in Florida". This gets back to your expectations, as I alluded to above:
You came here assuming that there was some almighty Usenet police force that
could do anything they wanted, and found no such thing.

But instead of responding to that you keep insisting that this imaginary
Usneet Police (CABAL) exists and if we can't resolve all your problems in
no time at all, why then we must be part of some sinister conspiracy.

>: The answer to false speech is not censorship. I wouldn't dream of forcing
>: you to stop.  No, the answer to false speech is more speech, like this
>: demand that you provide proof or stand exposed, once again, as nothing more
>: than a failed con artist.

>It was posted and ignored.

It was posted and responded to. The cancels you're complaining about have been
stopped, where we have the ability to stop them. That we're not omnipotent and
have agreed to not even TRY to enforce Usenet standards on regional hierarchies
is perhaps unfortunate, but to turn around and accuse us of being net-cops
because we're not in a position to be net-cops is really amazingly weird.

>the offer for "rational" discussion seems to be nothing but disingenuous.

How about trying it?
-- 

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In <6490g2$r7v$1@usenet87.supernews.com>, on 11/11/1997
   at 01:41 AM, ricardo@paranoia.com (Speedy G) said:

>Evidence was posted two years ago met with denial. 

Well, I for one wasn't in these news groups two years ago, so I can't
comment on what you claim happened then. But you've certainly been making
claims about CAUCE without a shred of evidence.


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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Peter Seebach (seebs@plethora.net) wrote:
>: I have the right of free speech.  I have that right whether I'm telling
>: vulgar stories about people I knew in college, advocating the non-violent
>: overthrow of the U.S. Government
>
>I'm not sure that you are allowed to advocate the non-violent overthrow
>of the U.S. Government.  You may want to contact legal counsel before
>doing so.  In general, anything that might cause government change
>that is not sponsored by the government is illegal.

No, Ric. You may not advocate the violent overthrow of the government.
That's how it's always worded. That's all.

Of course you can advocate the non-violent overthrow of the government.

What do you think campaigning is for?




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From: "Keith M. Lucas" <sillywiz@excession.demon.co._delete_this_.uk>
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/11
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In article <647dfk$st0$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: Steve professes to be against censorship, but thinks nothing of 
>: harassing those who disagree with him. He has even contacted the 
>: employers of those whose posts he dislikes, in efforts to have the 
>: posters disciplined or terminated. Pretty strange actions for someone 
>: who believes in free speech.
>
>You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
>are attacking free speech.  It it morally correct and noble for Steve
>to attack censors because the enemies of free speech are the enemies
>of society.  Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
>free speech and should be rightly censored.  If no one stood up for
>free speech then the censors would eventually be victorious.

Ricardo, you flat-out liar !

You KNOW that you and Boursy are the censors, who want to control what
everyone else is allowed to say, and that you're just misinforming
people. I DEMAND that you start telling the truth. What kind of Jew
are you that lies in public, is your Mother not so ashamed she cries ?

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From: medintz@idir.net (Mike S. Medintz)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/12
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After doing something his mother said he shouldn't,
jmanson@nospam.visi.com (Jim Manson) said for all to hear:

>Let me rephrase that- spammers don't have a right to free speech when
>it involves spam.
>
>How's that?

It works exactly the same way as this:

In the United States, you have the right to keep and bear arms. You do
NOT have the right to take a gun without paying for it.

You have the right to publish what you will, provided that it is not
slanderous or libelous or the like. You do NOT have the right to use
someone else's printing press without their permission.

You have the right to travel. You do NOT have the right to ride in my
truck without my permission.

You have the right to hire someone. You do NOT have the right to
compel them to work for you without pay and without their
agreement-please refer to the Thirteenth Amendment to the US
Constitution. 

If you spam me, you use MY system resources (Which I pay for out of MY
paycheck) for YOUR purposes, you are using the fruits of my labor
without my consent. Therefore, you are forcing me to work for you
without my agreement. In other words, by spamming me you attempt to
force me into a form of involuntary servitude other than as sentence
for a crime of which I have been duly convicted. 

IOW, spammers are wanna-be slavers. QED. Read the Thirteenth
Amendment, troll.

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 You will die when I say you must die!
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From: boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings)
Subject: CAUCE is all about censorship
Date: 1997/11/12
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote...
:
:Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
:
:: Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
::
::-WD Baseley (wbaseley@mindspring.com) wrote:
::-
::-: Hear, hear.  He has lost his permission to speak.
::-: 
::-: Shut up, Ricardo.  You do not have permission to speak.
::-
::-Are you a CAUCE member too?  The rest of us will not be tolerant of
::-censors like you.
:: 
:: Why not? We're "tolerant" of censors like you...
:
:What are you talking about?  I've never censored anyone. 

  Ratcliffe if aware of that--I never bother reading the
two faced liar anymore--there are some cabal capable of
reasoned debate--Dave Ratcliffe is not amoung them.

:You guys keep coming up with cheap attacks that you pull 
:out of your ass.  

  Actually that cheap one line shot was pretty good
for Ratcliffe--he never writes more than one line--he
tried it once and made a complete fool of himself.

:Why don't you try being honest for once.  

  He'd self destruct.

  If you'll read through deja news, etc. you notice 
Dave Ratcliffe is quite typical for a CAUCE member--a 
censor to his very core and not terribly bright.

                 Steve
                 news.admin.censorship

:
:-Ric G.
:Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: spamtrap@library.lspace.org
Subject: Re: [Troll] More lashon hara' from Ricardo
Date: 1997/11/12
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In <64ba0v$9la$1@usenet88.supernews.com>, on 11/12/1997
   at 04:06 AM, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
said:

>First of all I've not invented any anti-semitism.  The posts made by
>CAUCE members were public

I saw *one* post by *one* CAUCE member, containing a tasteless joke about
the Inquisition. Not nearly as bad as what Mel Brooks did, BTW. And that
post was as an individual, not as a spokesman for CAUCE.

>and the email attacking my Jewish heritage were very real and hurtful. 

What do they have to do with CAUCE? I've gotten some of the same schmutz,
and saw no connection. As to your Jewish heritage, I suggest that you
learn more about it; groundless accusations are considered to be a very
severe sin. Ask your rabbi to explain the terms "lahon hara'" and "sina'
chinam".

>you guys already had your newsgroup

Which part of "I am not a member of CAUCE." don't you understand? As I
said, I don't belong and disagree with them on a couple of key points, but
that doesn't mean that I condone lying about them.


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In <647dfk$st0$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, on 11/10/1997
   at 04:41 PM, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
said:

>It it morally correct and noble for Steve
>to attack censors because the enemies of free speech are the enemies of
>society. 

Ricardo Hector Gonzales is an enemy of the alleged censors' rights to free
speech.

>Those who disagree with free speech have no right to
>free speech and should be rightly censored.

Therefore Ricardo Hector Gonzales has no right to free speech and should
be rightly censored.

QED

Sounds good to me. Shut up Ricardo, until I get a signed note (B'Ivrith,
bvakashah) that you have done tshuvah.

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From: "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/15
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Sami Sihvonen wrote:

>
>
>         The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
>         solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
>         not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
>         countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... Solving
>         the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
>         happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
>         government control etc stuff away from Usenet.
>

You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not control
spam.

:)

Laws control people...software lets people have their own control... that is
not the idea.

:)


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ISP Ratings (boursy@alt.net) wrote:
:  "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
:  -
:  -Sami Sihvonen wrote:
:  -
:  ->      The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
:  ->      solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
:  ->      not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
:  ->      countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... 

:   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
: by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
: attacking spam.

   What bill is currently in Congress to ban anon posting? Whatever it is,
it will NEVER be enforeceable, as there will be anon remailers in OTHER countris
UNTOUCHABLE by US laws. 

:  ->    Solving
:  ->    the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
:  ->    happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
:  ->    government control etc stuff away from Usenet.

:   That's exactly what they don't want--the gang of thugs
: over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc that pretend to be
: fighting spam are primarily content censors--look at their
: track record.  Hell--some like Ed Falk are spammers themselves.

:  -
:  -You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not 
:  -control spam.

:   What censors what to do is to define what type of free
: speech is allowed and what is not--that is the defining
: point about these CAUCE scumbags.  

:                          Steve
:                          news.admin.censorship




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 "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
 -
 -Sami Sihvonen wrote:
 -
 ->      The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
 ->      solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
 ->      not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
 ->      countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... 

  This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
attacking spam.

 ->    Solving
 ->    the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
 ->    happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
 ->    government control etc stuff away from Usenet.

  That's exactly what they don't want--the gang of thugs
over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc that pretend to be
fighting spam are primarily content censors--look at their
track record.  Hell--some like Ed Falk are spammers themselves.

 -
 -You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not 
 -control spam.

  What censors what to do is to define what type of free
speech is allowed and what is not--that is the defining
point about these CAUCE scumbags.  

                         Steve
                         news.admin.censorship




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From: newman@netcom.com (Chuck Newman)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/15
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ISP Ratings (boursy@alt.net) wrote:
:  "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
:  -
:  -Sami Sihvonen wrote:
:  -
:  ->      The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
:  ->      solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
:  ->      not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
:  ->      countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... 

:   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
: by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
: attacking spam.

   That bill only requires a valid return mail address for commercial advertise
ments, and only affects Email. 

:  ->    Solving
:  ->    the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
:  ->    happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
:  ->    government control etc stuff away from Usenet.

:   That's exactly what they don't want--the gang of thugs
: over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc that pretend to be
: fighting spam are primarily content censors--look at their
: track record.  Hell--some like Ed Falk are spammers themselves.

:  -
:  -You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not 
:  -control spam.

:   What censors what to do is to define what type of free
: speech is allowed and what is not--that is the defining
: point about these CAUCE scumbags.  

:                          Steve
:                          news.admin.censorship




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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/15
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In article <newmanEJpCwL.AGs@netcom.com>,
Chuck Newman <newman@netcom.com> wrote:
>ISP Ratings (boursy@alt.net) wrote:
>:   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
>: by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
>: attacking spam.
>
>   What bill is currently in Congress to ban anon posting?

There isn't one. Steve's lying about a bill to ban unsolicited commercial
email based on the existing law that bans unsolicited commercial faxes.

-- 

This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document




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From: dennis <wdhill@NOSPAMhome.com>
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> : Steve professes to be against censorship, but thinks nothing of
> : harassing those who disagree with him. He has even contacted the
> : employers of those whose posts he dislikes, in efforts to have the
> : posters disciplined or terminated. Pretty strange actions for someone
> : who believes in free speech.
> 
> You forgot to mention that the people Steve opposes are censors that
> are attacking free speech. 

looking back over this thread i can't see which steve you are talking
about, but if it's the one i think it is, then baloney! (my two cents,
i'm gone)



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From: NoSpam@my.address (Terry)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/16
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On 15 Nov 1997 20:12:16 -0600, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
wrote:

>In article <newmanEJpCwL.AGs@netcom.com>,
>Chuck Newman <newman@netcom.com> wrote:
>>ISP Ratings (boursy@alt.net) wrote:
>>:   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
>>: by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
>>: attacking spam.
>>
>>   What bill is currently in Congress to ban anon posting?
>
>There isn't one. Steve's lying about a bill to ban unsolicited commercial
>email based on the existing law that bans unsolicited commercial faxes.
>

I think Steve is equating forged/bogus e-mail addresses with anon
e-mail addresses.  They are not the same.


Terry
To reply via e-mail, send to terryr at voicenet dot com
http:/www.voicenet.com/~terryr
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Unsolicited junk e-mail is an invasion of my privacy and unauthorized access to my personal property. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My favorite spammers - 

kp@savoynet.com




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On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:50:49 GMT, newman@netcom.com (Chuck Newman)
wrote:

<snip>

>   That bill only requires a valid return mail address for commercial advertise
>ments, and only affects Email. 

<snip>

I believe Sen. Toricelli's bill would require bulk e-mailers to have a
valid e-mail address.  Rep. Smith's would extend the fax laws to
include e-mail.  As far as I am aware, there are no pending
legislation pertaining to Usenet postings.


Terry
To reply via e-mail, send to terryr at voicenet dot com
http:/www.voicenet.com/~terryr
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Unsolicited junk e-mail is an invasion of my privacy and unauthorized access to my personal property. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My favorite spammers - 

kp@savoynet.com




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Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
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In <64j651$p32$1@gte2.gte.net>, on 11/15/1997
   at 03:49 AM, "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> said:

>You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not control
>spam.

*Any* law controls people. If Sanford Wallace wants to blow you away with
a ahnd grenade, the law infringes on his right to do so and controls his
activities. Do you consider the law to be wrong in so doing? Did it occur
to you that many of the people fighting against spam also fought against
the CDA?

I have no objection if your buddies want to sell "bolf balls tailored for
horny cheerleaders; christian whites only", but they have no right to put
their garbage in my mailbox at my expense. Let them put up their own web
site (http://www.ripoff.com/get.laid.html) and their own news groups
(alt.wothless.mlm) and we can decide whether to visit them.

-----------------------------------------------------------
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     Atid/2
     Team OS/2
     Team PL/I

Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action.  I
reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail.

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain
acm dot org user shmuel to contact me.  Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org
-----------------------------------------------------------




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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> In <64j651$p32$1@gte2.gte.net>, on 11/15/1997
>    at 03:49 AM, "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> said:
>
> >You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not control
> >spam.
>
> *Any* law controls people. If Sanford Wallace wants to blow you away with
> a ahnd grenade, the law infringes on his right to do so and controls his
> activities.

Well, I have yet to be "blown away" by messages in my email or on Usenet.  So
your analogy is just silly.

:)

Censors want to control what I choose to read...I don't want their doubious
"help".  I don't want people censoring what I write or what I choose to
read.  If I get email that I think is junk, I delete it.  I decide...not some
censor.

:)


   --
                      Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
                      E-Mail at: mailto:mikesea2@gte.net
                  Site is at: http://home1.gte.net/mikesea2/






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From: "Janet A. Laylor" <janet@webworqs.com>
Subject: EVA, Inc, and spam from slip166-72-172-76.fl.us.ibm.net
Date: 1997/11/16
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I'm sure many of you have had experiences both with the spammer from ibm.net,
but it's a new experience for me.

I've done a lot of tracing and utilzed the services of a very good friend in
the Medford, MA Police departement to track down the actual owner of EVA, Inc
(Get more hits spam since April, 1997).

I now know the name, address and phone numbers of the spammer who runs EVA,
along with his employment history, salary and even his father's phone number. 
The internet is amazing.

What I don't have are three things:

I need to contact SOMEONE who has a cancelled check from EVA, Inc.  Having
their bank information will help me to give additional information to the IRS
and state authorities, along with my current lawsuit in small claims court.

I also need to know who has tracked down the spammer at 166.72.172.76 (That
infamous IBM account).  My understanding is that it's a bellsouth account, not
ibm.net.  Has anyone gotten to the point where the hacker has actually been identified?

The name of all ISP's who have been hacked by the email spam from ibm.net with
the EVA, Inc. spam.  I need this information to construct a class-action
lawsuit.  If your server has been used by these people, then please email me.

For anyone who is interested, I think I've found a new tool in battling the
small-time spammers, like EVA, Inc.  Once you have their bank account number,
you can give that information to the IRS and the State Income tax division so
that they can investigate whether or not taxes has been paid by the person
responsible for that account.  Al Capone could not be brought down for all the
evils that he did in his lifetime, but his downfall was brought on by his
failure to pay taxes on his ill-gotten gain.  Why would spammers, who have
little reguard for laws and regulatoins pay taxes on the thousands of small
checks that theey receive.  Banks only report transactions of $10,000 or more,
so this amount slips by the IRS unless someone 'informs' on the perpetrator. 
I know that the IRS employee that I spoke with was very interested when I
pointed out the simple mathematics of a 1 percent response to the spam ads
that EVA put out.

If anyone is interested on how my battle with EVA, Inc goes, please email me. 
I'll be happy to keep you up to date.

- Janet
  http://www.webworqs.com/
  janet@webworqs.com



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From: "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/17
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Alberto Moreira wrote:

> On 16 Nov 1997 21:19:52 GMT, "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
>
> >Censors want to control what I choose to read...I don't want their doubious
> >"help".  I don't want people censoring what I write or what I choose to
> >read.  If I get email that I think is junk, I delete it.  I decide...not some
> >censor.
>
> Go to a spammer then, give them your email address...

My address is in the clear... I don't do anything to block spam...if people want
to harvest my address it is there for the taking.  I have very little problem
with junk mail though.  I just delete it.  I am the one to decide though.  NOT
YOU.

:)


> But I strongly object to have to store something in my machine because
> you want to read it.

Well, if you are an ISP then you are in the wrong business.  YOUR job is to move
data and store data for my use.  That is your only job.

:)



> If you want to remove junk that's thrown into
> your property, your prerogative; just don't expect me to do the same;
> I will not work for spammers.

You work for me... your paying customer.  If I want to store messages on your
server I am paying to do that.  Your job is to provide space if I want it, and
move data.

:)


   --
                        Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
                        E-Mail at: mailto:mikesea2@gte.net
                    Site is at: http://home1.gte.net/mikesea2/






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From: bem@news.cmc.net (brian moore)
Subject: Re: EVA, Inc, and spam from slip166-72-172-76.fl.us.ibm.net
Date: 1997/11/17
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In article <346FC7AB.5B62@with_mikec.com>,
	First Impression <chatting@with_Mikec.com> writes:
> I believe this is the same spammer who bragged about being an
> "anti-spammer killer" per the post copied from dejanews below. The deja
> search was for for the IP address.  Use this in court.

Nope, the slip*.ca.us.ibm.net spammer is Richard Scott aka mraction@c-corp.com
aka 'CASINO-CHICO.COM'.

I doubt he's got the money for long distance calls to Flordia to spew his
stuff.

-- 
Brian Moore                      Kill A Spammer For Jesus
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker



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Subject: Re: CAUCE is all about censorship
Date: 1997/11/17
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On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, ISP_Ratings wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:05:57 -0500
> From: ISP_Ratings <boursy@earthlink.net>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
>     news.admin.misc, talk.politics.misc, alt.censorship,
>     news.admin.net-scum, news.admin.net-abuse, alt.sage.john-grubor,
>     alt.cyberspace, alt.censorship
> Subject: CAUCE is all about censorship
> 
> Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote...
> :
> :Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
> :
> :: Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
> ::
> ::-WD Baseley (wbaseley@mindspring.com) wrote:
> ::-
> ::-: Hear, hear.  He has lost his permission to speak.
> ::-: 
> ::-: Shut up, Ricardo.  You do not have permission to speak.
> ::-
> ::-Are you a CAUCE member too?  The rest of us will not be tolerant of
> ::-censors like you.
> :: 
> :: Why not? We're "tolerant" of censors like you...
> :
> :What are you talking about?  I've never censored anyone. 
> 
>   Ratcliffe if aware of that--I never bother reading the
> two faced liar anymore--there are some cabal capable of
> reasoned debate--Dave Ratcliffe is not amoung them.
> 
> :You guys keep coming up with cheap attacks that you pull 
> :out of your ass.  
> 
>   Actually that cheap one line shot was pretty good
> for Ratcliffe--he never writes more than one line--he
> tried it once and made a complete fool of himself.
> 
> :Why don't you try being honest for once.  
> 
>   He'd self destruct.
> 
>   If you'll read through deja news, etc. you notice 
> Dave Ratcliffe is quite typical for a CAUCE member--a 
> censor to his very core and not terribly bright.
> 
>                  Steve
>                  news.admin.censorship
> 
> :
> :-Ric G.
> :Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> 
> 

amen.

-God Grubor




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On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, ISP Ratings wrote:

> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:31:24 GMT
> From: ISP Ratings <boursy@alt.net>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship, alt.culture.usenet, alt.politics.reform,
>     alt.politics.datahighway, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
>     news.admin.net-abuse, alt.spam, alt.privacy, news.admin.misc,
>     alt.sage.john-grubor, alt.censorship, news.admin.net-scum,
>     alt.politics.libertarian
> Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
> 
>  "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
>  -
>  -Sami Sihvonen wrote:
>  -
>  ->      The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
>  ->      solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
>  ->      not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
>  ->      countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... 
> 
>   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
> by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
> attacking spam.
> 
>  ->    Solving
>  ->    the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
>  ->    happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
>  ->    government control etc stuff away from Usenet.
> 
>   That's exactly what they don't want--the gang of thugs
> over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc that pretend to be
> fighting spam are primarily content censors--look at their
> track record.  Hell--some like Ed Falk are spammers themselves.
> 
>  -
>  -You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not 
>  -control spam.
> 
>   What censors what to do is to define what type of free
> speech is allowed and what is not--that is the defining
> point about these CAUCE scumbags.  
> 
>                          Steve
>                          news.admin.censorship
> 

amen to that, Steve.

-Dr. God Grubor





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On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Chuck Newman wrote:

> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:31:33 GMT
> From: Chuck Newman <newman@netcom.com>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship, alt.culture.usenet, alt.politics.reform,
>     alt.politics.datahighway, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
>     news.admin.net-abuse, alt.spam, alt.privacy, news.admin.misc,
>     alt.sage.john-grubor, alt.censorship, news.admin.net-scum,
>     alt.politics.libertarian
> Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
> Followup-To: news.admin.censorship,alt.culture.usenet,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.datahighway,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse,alt.spam,alt.privacy,news.admin.misc,alt.sage.john-grubor,alt.censorship,news.admin.net-scum,alt.politics.libertarian
> 
> ISP Ratings (boursy@alt.net) wrote:
> :  "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net> wrote:
> :  -
> :  -Sami Sihvonen wrote:
> :  -
> :  ->      The problem with spammers and other Usenet abuse should be
> :  ->      solved by _software_, not law. Since changing US laws does
> :  ->      not remove the problem, it will only move spammers to other
> :  ->      countries and make them spend more net bandwidth... 
> 
> :   This in reference I assume to the US Federal Bill supported
> : by CAUCE to ban anon. posting under the pretense of
> : attacking spam.
> 
>    What bill is currently in Congress to ban anon posting? Whatever it is,
> it will NEVER be enforeceable, as there will be anon remailers in OTHER countris
> UNTOUCHABLE by US laws. 
> 

That may be true, but we still have to make sure to appeal
any U.S. Laws to the Supreme Court and I will personally do that.

If they pass that Law, I will be the first one to violate it.

> :  ->    Solving
> :  ->    the problem with software would also keep "freedom fighters"
> :  ->    happy and prevent political correctness, censorship,
> :  ->    government control etc stuff away from Usenet.
> 
> :   That's exactly what they don't want--the gang of thugs
> : over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc that pretend to be
> : fighting spam are primarily content censors--look at their
> : track record.  Hell--some like Ed Falk are spammers themselves.
> 
> :  -
> :  -You don't get it... what censors want to do is control people not 
> :  -control spam.
> 
> :   What censors what to do is to define what type of free
> : speech is allowed and what is not--that is the defining
> : point about these CAUCE scumbags.  
> 
> :                          Steve
> :                          news.admin.censorship
> 
> 
> 

CAUCE was started by the child-molester J.D. Falk, so what
do you expect?  They are mostly faggots at CAUCE and a great
majority are pedophiles.

-DrG




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:>Censors want to control what I choose to read...I don't want their doubious
:>"help".  I don't want people censoring what I write or what I choose to
:>read.  If I get email that I think is junk, I delete it.  I decide...not some
:>censor.

Fool.




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On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Terry wrote:

> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:23:38 GMT
> From: Terry <NoSpam@my.address>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship, alt.culture.usenet, alt.politics.reform,
>     alt.politics.datahighway, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
>     news.admin.net-abuse, alt.spam, alt.privacy, news.admin.misc,
>     alt.sage.john-grubor, alt.censorship, news.admin.net-scum,
>     alt.politics.libertarian
> Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
> 
> On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:50:49 GMT, newman@netcom.com (Chuck Newman)
> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >   That bill only requires a valid return mail address for commercial advertise
> >ments, and only affects Email. 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> I believe Sen. Toricelli's bill would require bulk e-mailers to have a
> valid e-mail address.  Rep. Smith's would extend the fax laws to
> include e-mail.  As far as I am aware, there are no pending
> legislation pertaining to Usenet postings.
> 

And there NEVER will be!

Usenet shall ALWAYS be run by the Master,
Mr. Stephen Boursy.

-UseNet God

> 
> Terry
> To reply via e-mail, send to terryr at voicenet dot com
> http:/www.voicenet.com/~terryr
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Unsolicited junk e-mail is an invasion of my privacy and unauthorized access to my personal property. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> My favorite spammers - 
> 
> kp@savoynet.com
> 
> 
> 




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From: "J. Donavan Stanley" <Dstanley@techdev.compuserve.com>
Subject: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/19
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Below is the new CompuServe AUP.  This is going out immediatly to all areas
of the CompuServe service relevant to Usenet and membership rules.

Donavan Stanley
-------

                    CompuServe Incorporated Newsgroup Policy
                                 November 1997
INTRODUCTION
This document explains how the CompuServe Incorporated Member Agreement is
applied to USENET and local newsgroups.  It outlines the procedures that
CompuServe members or other newsgroup participants can use to handle
newsgroup
abuses.  It also gives pointers to other resources available to learn about
newsgroup culture.
GUIDELINES
It is important for members to make themselves aware of the various
conventions, guidelines and local culture in newsgroups before becoming an
active participant.  If you have questions visit the Usenet Help Forum
(USEHELP) for general Usenet Guidelines.
NEWSGROUP TERMS OF SERVICE VIOLATIONS
Participating successfully in newsgroups is a matter of common sense and
courtesy.  Most CompuServe members are able to use their own sense of what
is appropriate to guide their behavior.  There will always be innocent,
inadvertent postings and there will also always be malicious, intentional
postings.  While it is not always clear which is the case, certain
activities
will result in a member receiving a warning or more severe action, including
termination of a member�s account.  Postings that will result in a warning
or other appropriate action include the following:
      1.  CHAIN LETTERS.
      Chain letters are prohibited on CompuServe and the Internet.  Posting
a
      chain letter to newsgroups (or via e-mail on the Internet) is
      inappropriate and can result in your account being terminated or your
      access to newsgroups being restricted.  If you receive a chain letter
      from a CompuServe member, report it to newsmaster@compuserve.com
      immediately.  If you receive a chain letter from someone on the
Internet,
      contact the postmaster at their site (using
postmaster@their.domain.name;
      for example, postmaster@umd.edu).
      2.  COMMERCIAL ARTICLES.
      The vast majority of newsgroups are NOT commercial and participants in
      those newsgroups will object strongly to commercial traffic.
Commercial
      articles or solicitations should be posted to a newsgroup only when
      consistent with the newsgroup�s subject matter. In addition,
Commercial
      articles and solicitations should be clearly identified as such and
      should disclose the sender�s identity.  If you have any questions
about
      a commercial article or solicitation, you should review the
newsgroup's
      FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) or charter document.  If you cannot
find
      a FAQ or charter document, contact abuse@compuserve.com for
clarification.
      3.  INAPPROPRIATE POSTS.
      Each newsgroup focuses on a particular set of topics.  Posts not
related
      to these topics are not appreciated by the participants. It is
important
      that CompuServe members become familiar with the culture and
guidelines
      of a particular Newsgroup BEFORE posting.  Doing so will make your
      experience with newsgroups much more pleasant.
MEMBER AGREEMENT ACTIONS
CompuServe reserves the right to selectively filter Usenet messages that it
deems to be �spam� (typically, commercial solicitations or irrelevant
messages
posted to newsgroups).  Messages that are inappropriate or deemed to be spam
may be deleted by CompuServe from their original target newsgroups(s) and/or
moved to a special spam newsgroup.
These spam controls may be applied to both messages coming into CompuServe
from
the Internet as well as to messages posted by CompuServe members.
COMPUSERVE LOCAL NEWSGROUPS
CompuServe local newsgroups are also subject to CompuServe's Member
Agreement.
Members should familiarize themselves with CompuServe's Member Agreement by
visiting the CompuServe Rates and Rules area (GO RULES) before posting in
local newsgroups.
SUBMITTING COMPLAINTS
To report a violation of CompuServe's Newsgroup Policy or Member Agreement,
send a complete copy of the article or e-mail message to
abuse@compuserve.com.
CANCELING NEWSGROUP ARTICLES
Inappropriate posts to newsgroups can be deleted if your newsreader client
has
this feature.  Refer to your newsreader documentation for details on how to
cancel articles.
MODIFICATION OF THIS POLICY.
Upon notice, CompuServe may at any time modify this Newsgroup Policy.  It is
each member�s responsibility to review from time to time and stay familiar
with this Newsgroup Policy.
QUESTIONS
If you have questions about newsgroups or an article you would like to post,
you have several avenues you can pursue, including:
   - Visiting the Usenet Help Forum (GO USEHELP) or the Usenet Newsreader
     Forum(GO NEWSREADER)
   - Reading the news.newusers.questions newsgroup.
   - Reading the *.answers newsgroups (soc.answers, alt.answers,
     news.answers, etc.).
   - Checking for FAQs and Charters in a given Newsgroup.






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Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/20
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In <uVkfjoQ98GA.321@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>,
   "J. Donavan Stanley" <Dstanley@techdev.compuserve.com> wrote:

:Below is the new CompuServe AUP.  This is going out immediatly to all areas
:of the CompuServe service relevant to Usenet and membership rules.


Swell.  When are you going to do something about the unsolicited junk mail
that spews from compuserve and its dial-ups?

[nana.email added, followups directed there]


-- 
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From: felonyphil@KQSPAMBLOCKrocketmail.com (Phil Oliver)
Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/20
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On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:27:04 -0500, "Donavan Stanley"
<tcsoft@sprynet.com> announced:

>>I don't think CompuServe knows what SPAM is. It is certainly NOT
>>"commercial solicitations or irrelevant messages posted to newsgroups".
>So SPAM isn't a commercial solicitation?  Since when?

Since always.  Whether or not a post is spam has absolutely nothing to
do with the content of a message, and I'm almost shocked that an ISP
as large as Compuserve isn't aware of this.  Then again, nothing
should shock me anymore.

-Phil Oliver

--
"[Phil Oliver is] the 20 year old punk who, with the
aid of his idiot pal, have managed to piss off more people
than Boursy/Grubor combined."
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From: "Donavan Stanley" <tcsoft@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/20
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 rrevved wrote in article <3479a9ca.6802202@news.mindspring.com>...
>Well, that is not very intuitively obvious to those who are used
>to the standard abuse@domain.com . I had better write this down.

We have fixed our problems with the abuse address so that is valid as well.
All mail regarding Usenet that is sent to abuse gets sent to newsmaster.


>I don't think CompuServe knows what SPAM is. It is certainly NOT
>"commercial solicitations or irrelevant messages posted to newsgroups".
So SPAM isn't a commercial solicitation?  Since when?

>
>Whose articles may be cancelled?
Agreed this isn't real clear what was intended.

Donavan Stanley








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From: aadkins@nospam.sprynet.com (Alex)
Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/21
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There is an abuse@compuserve.com also.

Alex

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:20:16 GMT, RREVVED@SIG_AT_END.COM (rrevved)
wrote:

<snip>
>Well, that is not very intuitively obvious to those who are used
>to the standard abuse@domain.com . I had better write this down.
<snip>

Remove the nospam. to send email



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From: baalke@brucie.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Beware of the $5 STARDUST Scam
Date: 1997/11/22
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BEWARE OF THE $5 STARDUST SCAM

The STARDUST project and the Planetary Society are providing a free
service to the public in collecting names that will be placed onboard the 
STARDUST spacecraft.  It has recently come to our attention that a certain 
group is attempting to make money off this venture by charging $5 for 
the information on how people may submit their names.  This
information is freely available on the STARDUST and Planetary Society
home pages, and the $5 charge is totally unnecessary:

   http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/flyer.html
   http://planetary.org/hot-topics/stardust/stardust.html


     ___    _____     ___   
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|      Ron Baalke     | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |  Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   Pasadena, CA    | The truth always turns out
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /|                 | to be simpler than you
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                  | thought.  Richard Feynman



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From: NoSpam@my.address (Terry)
Subject: Re: Stopping CAUCE
Date: 1997/11/22
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On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:05:27 -0500, "Dr. John Grubor" <drg@pgh.org>
wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Terry wrote:
>
>> I believe Sen. Toricelli's bill would require bulk e-mailers to have a
>> valid e-mail address.  Rep. Smith's would extend the fax laws to
>> include e-mail.  As far as I am aware, there are no pending
>> legislation pertaining to Usenet postings.
>> 
>
>And there NEVER will be!

Well, I hope you're right, but never say never.
>
>Usenet shall ALWAYS be run by the Master,
>Mr. Stephen Boursy.

This is a joke, right?  A little humor on USENET.

>
>-UseNet God

Another joke, right?


Terry
To reply via e-mail, send to terryr at voicenet dot com
http:/www.voicenet.com/~terryr
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Unsolicited junk e-mail is an invasion of my privacy and unauthorized access to my personal property. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My favorite spammers - 

kp@savoynet.com
1133824@aol.com
02621475@nowhere.com
41489942@compuserve.com
95114755@compuserve.com
betterlife11145@compuserve.com
Thephoneguy@usnational243.com
cyberout@pleaseread.com
petlinks4u@your.com
repl@cyberworldindustries.com
powertools@cybertools.net
red1@becsplace.com
cdrom2@answerme.com
gbi@nevwest.com
51236358@aol.com
77383330@02320.com
84216992@04462.com
30809136@aol.com
85501100@mailexcite.com
51804366@compuserve.com
71544350@02508.com
recruit@lostvegas.com
win23@juno.com
user101@mkt-america.com
billy@bingo.edu
fnn@omni.net
07960437@internet.net
freetv@zapback.com
webpromotion@your.com
50088050@16174.com
40716400@internet.com
Wall.Street@mail-gw2.pacbell.net
davew@makecash.net
52284198@aol.com
mega@cash-site.com
26713725@juno.com
Dcao20@aol.com
newport@mail4.c-flash.net
05246729@wfn.net
scoop@uslink.net
liocuoci86@speedmatrix.com
33652197@usa.net
09883296@cyberbundle.net
electric2453@juno.com
46348704@wfn.net
BdavidC@savoynet.com
13141792@cwave.com
Jim@famailcrt.com
jaaco@speedmatix.com
cag1465@onestopshop.net
mlatour@mail.fastinternet.net.au
helenhunter32@hotmail.com
wocaiboo96@aol.com
Nicole@becsplace.com
associates@savoynet.com
morechannels@hotmail.com
luzuucio69@compuserve.com
23320610@compuserve.com
11585920@compuserve.com
Nadine@qni.com
Opportunity@cyber-pages.net
sdavid@swain.savoynet.com
Sophia@23034.com
100101US81043A@aol.com
17975276@Flash.net
99001680@msn.com
beate@juno.com
freebizz@global-ads.com
discover@aol.com
mooseme32@msn.com




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Subject: REMOVE REQUEST UNHEEDED: THIS IS A BILL. PLEASE REMIT $1500.00 IMMEDIATELY
Date: 1997/11/22
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Dear MSN Billing and Hostmaster:

I have nothing against you or your software except that I never wanted
to be on your mailing list in the first place.

I have gone to extensive and polite means to actually reach you. I have
gone online to fill out your form as suggested for *both* my email
addresses with the mailing list check box set so that I wouldn't receive
any more emailings. You have ingnored my multiple attempts to remove
myself from your mailing list. I am still receiving e-mailings even
after trying everything in my power to get off the list. I can only
construe this as blatant disregard of my privacy and the junk fax law of
which I wrote on Thu, 13 Nov 1997.

I am grossly offended that you have disregarded my rights. The only
apology I should properly accept now would be a $1500.00 check sent to
me at the address below and a guarantee that you will no longer send any
list mailings to either of the addresses in question in the message
forwarded below.

This letter will be posted on news.admin.net-abuse,
news.admin.net-abuse.email, and news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

Sincerely,

Chris Sparnicht
XXX XXXXX Avenue
XXXXXXXX, GA XXXXX


Sent by you to me on Fri, 21 Nov 1997
_____________________________________________

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>         for <XXXXXXX@lig.bellsouth.net>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:25:27 -0500 (EST)
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> To: "'XXXXXXX@geocities.com'" <XXXXXXX@geocities.com>
> Subject: Microsoft Insider's Update, November 1997
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:24:19 -0800
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> Microsoft Insider's Update, November 1997

[snip]


Sent to me by you on Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997
_____________________________________________

> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:18:32 -0500
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> Subject: Re: November 12, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> unsubscribe
> 
> Dear MSB Billing:
> 
> I suspect this all came about because I clicked a note on your board
> that said I'd like to be notified when Front Page came out. Never do I
> remember being asked to subscribe to an e-newsletter. There was probably
> some tiny box on the form that was preset to subscribe me. I have tried
> everything in my power to unsubscribe. This is my last effort.
> Technically, I should be billing you for $1000.00 as allowable by US
> Federal Code under the Junk Fax Law. Next time, I will certainly send
> you a bill for $1500. Please unsubscribe me *immediately*.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris Sparnicht
> 
> 
> 
> Exhibit A: Your InterNic Whois Data:
> __________________________________________
> Microsoft Corporation MICROSOFT-DOM
>    One Microsoft Way
>    Redmond, WA 98052
>    US
> 
>    Domain Name: MICROSOFT.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact:
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> 
>    Domain servers in listed order:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit B: Received from you be me today:
> __________________________________________
> Received: from mail3.bellsouth.net (mail3.bellsouth.net [205.152.32.6])
>         by mail.lig (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17649
>         for <XXXXXXX@lig.bellsouth.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:19:03
> -0500 (EST)
> Received: from geocities.com ([209.1.224.29])
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>         for <XXXXXXX@bellsouth.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:19:02 -0500
> (EST)
> Received: from bulk-03-imc.newswire.microsoft.com ([131.107.38.12])
>         by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23807
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> (PST)
> Received: by newswire.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service
> (5.0.1458.49)
>         id <WTV9PXRG>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:18:59 -0800
> Message-ID:
> <837CDED67A3AD111B59200805F3118C102BA9A77@bulkengine.dns.microsoft.com>
> From: Microsoft Small Business
>          <MicrosoftSmallBusiness_000837@Newswire.Microsoft.com>
> To: "'XXXXXXX@geocities.com'" <XXXXXXX@geocities.com>
> Subject: November 12, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:18:56 -0800
> X-Priority: 3
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> 
> COMPUTER D-DAY?
> [snip...]
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit C: Received from you be me previously:
> __________________________________________
> Received: from mail3.bellsouth.net.bellsouth.net (mail3.bellsouth.net
> [205.152.32.6])
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> Received: by newswire.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service
> (5.0.1458.49)
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> From: Small Business Editor
>          <SmallBusinessEditor_000578@Newswire.Microsoft.com>
> To: "'XXXXXXX@geocities.com'" <XXXXXXX@geocities.com>
> Subject: October 10, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:18:10 -0700
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> 
> 
> Microsoft is looking for a few good examples of small businesses who are
> [snip...]
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit D: Sent to you by me in response to Exhibit C:
> __________________________________________
> Message-ID: <34675235.7856@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:28:06 -0500
> From: Chris & Christine <XXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: XXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net
> Organization: The Essential Gardener
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: abuse@microsoft.com
> Subject: UBE is a crime. Please stop.
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> Content-Length: 2286
> 
> Dear Microsoft Abuse Department:
> 
> Previously, I have asked you to remove me from your email newsletter
> through the proper channels on your site. This has had no effect. As of
> this date, I will be sending a bill for $500 for each UBE that I receive
> from you through the following addresses.
> 
> XXXXXXX@bellsouth.net
> XXXXXXX@geocities.com
> 
> Please be sure you have removed my name from you files. The favor of a
> reply is requested.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris Sparnicht
> 
> 
> 
> End of exhibits.
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Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/23
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In <uEaTO$a98GA.321@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>, on 11/20/1997
   at 07:27 AM, "Donavan Stanley" <tcsoft@sprynet.com> said:

>So SPAM isn't a commercial solicitation?  Since when?

Well, in the first place "spam" is a registered trademark of Hormel, so
*offically* none of the garbage under discussion is spam. The term spam
was originally used to refer to ECP/EMP in newsgroups, and was not used to
refer to COT postings, presumably due to concerns over cencorship. Current
usage is that COT, ECP, EMP, UBE and UCE are all spam. There is a cadre of
old timers that insist that only the original usage is valid. But each of
these usages addresses more than just commercial solicitations and
irrelevant messages.

-----------------------------------------------------------
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     Atid/2
     Team OS/2
     Team PL/I

Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action.  I
reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail.

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain
acm dot org user shmuel to contact me.  Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org
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From: felonyphil@NSSPAMBLOCKrocketmail.com (Phil Oliver)
Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/23
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On Sun, 23 Nov 97 11:46:04 -0500, spamtrap@library.lspace.org
announced:

>In <uEaTO$a98GA.321@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>, on 11/20/1997
>   at 07:27 AM, "Donavan Stanley" <tcsoft@sprynet.com> said:
>
>>So SPAM isn't a commercial solicitation?  Since when?
>
>Well, in the first place "spam" is a registered trademark of Hormel, so
>*offically* none of the garbage under discussion is spam. The term spam
>was originally used to refer to ECP/EMP in newsgroups, and was not used to
>refer to COT postings, presumably due to concerns over cencorship. Current
>usage is that COT, ECP, EMP, UBE and UCE are all spam. There is a cadre of
>old timers that insist that only the original usage is valid.

At least in terms of the n.a.n-a.* hierarchy, COT posts are not
"spam".  Topicality is irrelevant in terms of the net-abuse we're
concerned with.

-Phil Oliver

--
"[Phil Oliver is] the 20 year old punk who, with the
aid of his idiot pal, have managed to piss off more people
than Boursy/Grubor combined."
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Instead of going to small claims court take them to civil court.  Civil
court has a lot more options folks.
-- 
Mark
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From: spamtrap@library.lspace.org
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In <3484c2cc.2695938@news.enter.net>, on 11/23/1997
   at 11:57 PM, felonyphil@NSSPAMBLOCKrocketmail.com (Phil Oliver) said:

>>usage is that COT, ECP, EMP, UBE and UCE are all spam. There is a cadre of
>>old timers that insist that only the original usage is valid.

>At least in terms of the n.a.n-a.* hierarchy, COT posts are not "spam". 
>Topicality is irrelevant in terms of the net-abuse we're concerned
>with.

Isn't that what I just said? And in terms of the French Language Academy,
Le Drugstore isn't proper. Common usage disagrees. The *only* usage that
is official is "A trademark of Hormel for a meat byproduct" (presumably
more wholesome than any of COT/ECP/EMP/UBE/UCE <g>.


-----------------------------------------------------------
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     Atid/2
     Team OS/2
     Team PL/I

Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action.  I
reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail.

I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain
acm dot org user shmuel to contact me.  Do not reply to
spamtrap@library.lspace.org
-----------------------------------------------------------




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From: gbyshenk@tezcat.com (gregory byshenk)
Subject: Re: CompuServe AUP finialized.
Date: 1997/11/24
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<spamtrap@library.lspace.org> wrote:

> Isn't that what I just said? And in terms of the French Language Academy,
> Le Drugstore isn't proper. Common usage disagrees. The *only* usage that
> is official is "A trademark of Hormel for a meat byproduct" (presumably
> more wholesome than any of COT/ECP/EMP/UBE/UCE <g>.

I've posted about this at some length before, so this not-
that-old-timer will say only that the extension of "spam" to 
include COT is to be deplored.

Why?  Because expanding the meaning of "spam" to encompass
COT means that we are teetering on (if not actually falling
over) the edge of "spam" becoming "whatever I don't like",
which means that "spam" no longer describes anything
specific, and becomes a useless term.

[followups]

-- 
+ gregory byshenk  -  gbyshenk@tezcat.com  -  gbyshenk@prairienet.org +
     == Help take a byte out of spam:  <http://www.cauce.org> ==
=> Now up:  "Help! I've Been Spammed! - A guide for the beginner."
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From: "Sully" <mlsully@oz.net>
Subject: Re: MAILLOOP 3.2
Date: 1997/12/01
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Try the ID/Activation code:  7789158088b42583228795402934250

This should work for version 3

Sully


nospam@fakeaddress.net wrote in message <348387ad.30850832@news.alt.net>...
>On 2 Dec 1997 01:24:39 GMT, hyecomptr@aol.com (HYE COMPTR) wrote:
>
>>IF YOU HAVE MAILLOOP 3.2 REG. NUMBER CAN YOU PLEASE SEND IT TO ME.
>>
>>THANK YOU
>
>
>Wrong newsgroup. You want alt.die.spammer.die





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From: ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher)
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
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In article <3485634F.38D@earthlink.net>,
Lorne D. Gilsig <gilsig@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>What you fail to point out is any connection between the person who
>canceled you posts and cults.

How about the fact that the person who canceled Curio's posts has been a
prominent supporter of cult leader Mikey Aquino on the various newsgroups?
Hey, come to think of it, you are pretty chummy with this rather unpleasant 
founder of a Satanic cult, aintcha? How about the uncomfortable fact that
the person who cancelled Curio's posts is on exactly the same ISP as the
Temple of Set (Mikey Aquino's cult) website. That's a funny coincidence
isn't it? Particularly since calweb is a puny ISP; rather more akin to a
private BBS. As a matter of fact, looking a bit further, an ICMP query
tells me that calweb.com and xeper.org are two machines basically sitting
in the same room with the same network connection. This isn't an issue of
simple aliasing; Calweb is providing a network drop directly to a seperate
(Windoze, predictably enough) Temple of Set computer. This implies an
extremely close relationship between the calweb.com and the Temple of Set;
knowing what I do about ISPs and the Temple of Set, I say it cinches
calweb.com as a company run by someone in the ToS, if it isn't outright
owned by the ToS itself.

Is that a strong enough connexion, Mr. Detective?
(Picture Brother Lupo shining up his old badge)

Shucks, a few days ago you were claiming that John Price would *never* do
anything so vile as illegally cancel newsgroup articles...

>What can connected is the individual who canceled your posts and
>numerous cross-posts, half truths, lies, evasions, distortions, paranoid
>delusions, and psychotic ravings you have posted to the forum he is a
>member of.

Please use your verbs properly; this is a grossly ungrammatical
and incomprehensible sentence. I betcha a guy like you has a pretty
smart ole lady; ask her how to use a grammarchecker. 

>The moderated who resigned did so on priciple, she stated straight out
>what low regaurd she holds you in, so you have no friend or ally there.

I also think Curio is a flake. On the other hand, I enjoy watching the
reactions she provokes, and those reactions make me think she might
actually be onto something.

>All you have proven is how your presence on in USENET is devisive and in
>opposition to orderly discourse.

Curios various hare-brained accusations have proven one thing beyond any
shadow of a doubt; they make certain people *really* nervous, to the point
that they are going through rather extreme measures to get her to stop.
This might cause reasonable people to begin to suspect that ole Curio
might be onto something. As it were, nothing Curio has posted is at all
convincing me that Mikey molested children; but the reaction of Mikey and
his pals (such as yourself) has certainly piqued my interest, and made me
think twice about Curios accusations.

>Even after this dust-up you are what you have always been, a mentally
>ill pissant who is on the web cause its too cold outside to scream on a
>street corner.

Two words that come to mind here: Mark Fuhrman.
Them what lives in glass houses and all that noise.

>Lorne D. Gilsig

- -Lupo
"but even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being..." <ix@pentagon.io.com>

[root@rodan root]$ whois xeper.org
[rs.internic.net]
Temple of Set (XEPER-DOM)
   Post Office Box 470307
   San Francisco, CA 94147
   USA

   Domain Name: XEPER.ORG

   Administrative Contact:
      Youril, John  (JY499)  tos@CALWEB.COM
      (916) 849-6174
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Du Gaue, Robert  (RD288)  rdugaue@CALWEB.COM
      (916) 641-9320
   Billing Contact:
      Youril, John  (JY499)  tos@CALWEB.COM
      (916) 849-6174

   Record last updated on 04-Feb-97.
   Record created on 01-Feb-97.
   Database last updated on 3-Dec-97 05:19:16 EDT.

  Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.CALWEB.COM               208.131.56.10
   NS2.CALWEB.COM               208.131.56.11
   NS3.CALWEB.COM               207.211.80.15


The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information
(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.

[root@rodan root]$ traceroute xeper.org
5  mae-west1.US.CRL.NET (198.32.136.10)  7.416 ms  10.948 ms  6.049 ms
 6  sfo-ames.2.T3.us.crl.net (165.113.50.93)  9.243 ms  12.579 ms  9.693
ms
 7  irlay3.crl.com (165.113.22.3)  13.203 ms  13.063 ms  16.392 ms
 8  cust-crl.us.crl.net (165.113.121.250)  84.688 ms  104.824 ms  94.974
ms
 9  E0-CRL-SAC-01-EXx0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.21.1)  98.302 ms  78.575 ms 26.75 ms
10  cust-crl.us.crl.net (165.113.121.126)  44.06 ms  64.327 ms  45.566 ms
11  xeper.org (207.173.143.56)  35.154 ms  45.502 ms  18.613 ms


[root@rodan root]$ traceroute ns2.calweb.com
 5  mae-west1.US.CRL.NET (198.32.136.10)  6.706 ms  6.616 ms  7.574 ms
 6  sfo-ames.2.T3.us.crl.net (165.113.50.93)  8.676 ms  11.085 ms  8.893
ms
 7  irlay3.crl.com (165.113.22.3)  23.433 ms  17.176 ms  13.25 ms
 8  cust-crl.us.crl.net (165.113.121.250)  132.347 ms *  82.762 ms
 9  E0-CRL-SAC-01-EXx0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.21.1)  94.125 ms *  99.451 ms
10  cust-crl.us.crl.net (165.113.121.126)  83.544 ms  73.403 ms  125.281
ms
11  * mail.calweb.com (208.131.56.11)  164.924 ms  108.833 ms


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From: xenu@mindspring.com (Rob Clark)
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
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On 4 Dec 1997 04:16:08 GMT, ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher) wrote:

>>The moderated who resigned did so on priciple, she stated straight out
>>what low regaurd she holds you in, so you have no friend or ally there.

>I also think Curio is a flake. On the other hand, I enjoy watching the
>reactions she provokes, and those reactions make me think she might
>actually be onto something.

curio makes some often startlingly bogus comments, but when someone
starts declaring that because someone is a bit flaky and weird, that
you're allowed to cancel their articles illegally in a conspiracy to
deny them their free speech rights, i am interested in the motives of
that person.

it also tends to make one reexamine some of the more sober claims such
as those considering mikey aquino's little bout of pedophilia
illustrated by the presido flap.

rob



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From: lofstrom@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom)
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
Message-ID: <665e6j$dmm@mochi.lava.net>#1/1
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Lupo LeBoucher (ix@xanadu.io.com) wrote:

: How about the fact that the person who canceled Curio's posts has been a
: prominent supporter of cult leader Mikey Aquino on the various newsgroups?

No, he's just opposed satanic-ritual-abuse hysteria.  

: Hey, come to think of it, you are pretty chummy with this rather unpleasant 
: founder of a Satanic cult, aintcha? How about the uncomfortable fact that
: the person who cancelled Curio's posts is on exactly the same ISP as the
: Temple of Set (Mikey Aquino's cult) website. That's a funny coincidence
: isn't it?

Not particularily.  Most ISPs have user bases in the thousands, even
the small ones.  I'm posting from LavaNet, which has 7000 users.  If
someone who has LavaNet account does something nasty, are you going to
assume that I'm in cahoots with them?  

In any case, the sysadmin at Calweb has posted saying that he's
stopping any and all rogue cancels.  I hope that this puts an end to
this particular conspiracy theory.

--
Karen Lofstrom                                        lofstrom@lava.net
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                        BOYCOTT AMAZON.COM    
                    AMAZON.COM SENDS JUNK EMAIL     



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From: Max <jimmyt@om.com.au>
Subject: Re: MAILLOOP 3.2
Date: 1997/12/04
Message-ID: <348659CF.1425@om.com.au>#1/1
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To: Sully <mlsully@oz.net>
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Sully wrote:
> 
> Try the ID/Activation code:  7789158088b42583228795402934250
> 
> This should work for version 3
> 
> Sully
> 
> nospam@fakeaddress.net wrote in message <348387ad.30850832@news.alt.net>...
> >On 2 Dec 1997 01:24:39 GMT, hyecomptr@aol.com (HYE COMPTR) wrote:
> >
> >>IF YOU HAVE MAILLOOP 3.2 REG. NUMBER CAN YOU PLEASE SEND IT TO ME.
> >>
> >>THANK YOU
> >
> >
> >Wrong newsgroup. You want alt.die.spammer.die
Go to http://www.om.com.au/cokebottle



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From: ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher)
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
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In article <665e6j$dmm@mochi.lava.net>,
Karen Lofstrom <lofstrom@lava.net> wrote:
>Lupo LeBoucher (ix@xanadu.io.com) wrote:
>
>: How about the fact that the person who canceled Curio's posts has been a
>: prominent supporter of cult leader Mikey Aquino on the various newsgroups?
>
>No, he's just opposed satanic-ritual-abuse hysteria.  

He's done rather more than would be expected of someone who is opposed to
"satanic-ritual-abuse hysteria."

For example, *I* am very much opposed to satanic-ritual-abuse hysteria; I
edit & publish what is probably the oldest and best known internet FAQ on
the topic. http://www.io.com/~ix/heresy/faq23.asc

I, on the other hand, have not engaged in a headhunting mission against
anyone who posts "pro hysteria" material, as Price certainly has. He has
publically harassed at least one person (a hypnotherapist at
electriciti.com) who he now admits is innocent. I have yet to see any
apology for this witchunt tactic against innocents.

I have also never illegally, and more importantly, unethically cancelled
anyones Usenet posts because I disagreed with them, or for *any* reason.

My own opposition to SRA hysteria, far less vigelante in nature, and I
also assert, *far* more effective, is to simply provide accurate
information, and links to accurate information on the phenomenon.
I refuse to engage in debate with bozos who actually believe in this
manner of conspiracy theory, much as I refuse to debate Velikovskian
catastrophists, believers in Von Dainkenesque theories, fundamentalist
christians, holocaust revisionists, and yoyos who believe sticking pins in
a voodoo doll does anything more than provide emotional release. To argue
with "true believers" is pointless and lends them far more credibility
than they deserve. 
Present people with facts. If they are sane and intelligent, the truth
will prevail. If they're nuts, they won't believe you anyway.

>: Hey, come to think of it, you are pretty chummy with this rather unpleasant 
>: founder of a Satanic cult, aintcha? How about the uncomfortable fact that
>: the person who cancelled Curio's posts is on exactly the same ISP as the
>: Temple of Set (Mikey Aquino's cult) website. That's a funny coincidence
>: isn't it?
>
>Not particularily.  Most ISPs have user bases in the thousands, even
>the small ones.

Perhaps so; I admit, Calweb seems a bit bigger than I first suspected;
however, it seems rather a peculiar coincidence that one of Mikey Aquino's
most fanatical supporters, one who has resorted to harassing innocents and
outright illegal net-abuse in his efforts to persecute the kook who
persecutes Mikey, just *happens* to share the same ISP as the Temple of
Set? I mean, it isn't as if there isn't a huge number of ISPs in the
silicon valley; how come Price has the same one as the ToS? Indeed, having
a look at their terms of service, they're actually a pretty shitty deal to
individuals, requiring a hefty startup fee, charging hourly connection
fees and a premium for storage. Unless we assume Price to be a compleat
idiot, he must be getting a rather better deal than what is quoted on
their website; virtually *any* ISP will provide a better deal for
individuals.

Couple this with the fact that the old Tefnut BBS's newsfeed was through
calweb.com and sysop "jfesler," and one might begin to make assumptions.

I think it's rather a peculiar coincidence to say the least, and certainly
a viable "connection" between Price and the ToS as Officer Gilsig
requested. More than a copper's hunch to be sure.

>In any case, the sysadmin at Calweb has posted saying that he's
>stopping any and all rogue cancels.  I hope that this puts an end to
>this particular conspiracy theory.

Not a conspiracy theory, but an objectively verifiable observation.
Your crow pie ain't quite cooked yet, but it's in the oven, toots. B}

- -Lupo
"but even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being..." <ix@pentagon.io.com>


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From: John M Price <jmprice@calweb.com>
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
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In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Lupo LeBoucher <ix@xanadu.io.com> wrote:
Karen:
: >In any case, the sysadmin at Calweb has posted saying that he's
: >stopping any and all rogue cancels.  I hope that this puts an end to
: >this particular conspiracy theory.

No.  Kevin Filan posted private email without the permission of the
sender.

--
John M. Price, PhD                                     jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!   |   PGP Key on request or by finger!
  Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683

"Of ghoulies and ghosties,
 Of longleggetie beasties, 
 Of things that go
 bump in the night,
Good Lord deliver us."
        - Vincent O'Neil 
          the Son of Borley Rectory




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From: Dkeith@best.com (Ex Mudder)
Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
Date: 1997/12/04
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In article <348631ca.3241592@news.mindspring.com>, xenu@mindspring.com
(Rob Clark) wrote:

>On 4 Dec 1997 04:16:08 GMT, ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher) wrote:
>
>>>The moderated who resigned did so on priciple, she stated straight out
>>>what low regaurd she holds you in, so you have no friend or ally there.
>
>>I also think Curio is a flake. On the other hand, I enjoy watching the
>>reactions she provokes, and those reactions make me think she might
>>actually be onto something.
>
>curio makes some often startlingly bogus comments, but when someone
>starts declaring that because someone is a bit flaky and weird, that
>you're allowed to cancel their articles illegally in a conspiracy to
>deny them their free speech rights, i am interested in the motives of
>that person.
>
>it also tends to make one reexamine some of the more sober claims such
>as those considering mikey aquino's little bout of pedophilia
>illustrated by the presido flap.
>
>rob

   Just because Curio has some odd ideas does not make said ideas
wrong, nor does her (IMHO) absurd insistence on including irrelevant
newsgroups (alt.satanism and alt.pagan) mean that she is FOS.
  Quite frankly, the kind of stories I hear about people who dare to
oppose the FMSF sound awfully like those I heard of in the early days
of a.r.s of people who dare to oppose Scientology.
  Unfortunately, It will likely take years for these people to be
willing to come forward and discuss the harassment they have endured,
like it did in a.r.s.  And I kinda doubt the FMSF is stupid enough to
do a RMgroup or similar thing to gain interest.
   A lesson I have learned is to look for the most absurd people
debating a topic - they are usually the ones you can safely ignore.
Curio may be unusual, but she pales in comparison to the reactions she
elicits.  I doubt she is completely right, but I know she isn't
completely wrong.




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Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article.
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In article <348631ca.3241592@news.mindspring.com>, xenu@mindspring.com
(Rob Clark) wrote:

>On 4 Dec 1997 04:16:08 GMT, ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher) wrote:
>
>>>The moderated who resigned did so on priciple, she stated straight out
>>>what low regaurd she holds you in, so you have no friend or ally there.
>
>>I also think Curio is a flake. On the other hand, I enjoy watching the
>>reactions she provokes, and those reactions make me think she might
>>actually be onto something.
>
>curio makes some often startlingly bogus comments, but when someone
>starts declaring that because someone is a bit flaky and weird, that
>you're allowed to cancel their articles illegally in a conspiracy to
>deny them their free speech rights, i am interested in the motives of
>that person.
>
>it also tends to make one reexamine some of the more sober claims such
>as those considering mikey aquino's little bout of pedophilia
>illustrated by the presido flap.
>
>rob

   Just because Curio has some odd ideas does not make said idea
wrong, nor does her (IMHO) absurd insistence on including irrlevant
newsgroups (alt.satanism and alt.pagan) mean that she is FOS.
  Quite frankly, the kind of stories I hear about people who dare to
oppose the FMSF sound awfully like those I heard of in the early days
of a.r.s of people who dare to oppose Scientology.
  Unfortunately, It will lilely take years for these people to be
willing to come forward and discuss the harassment they have endured,
like it did in a.r.s.  And I kinda doubt the FMSF is stupid enough to
do a RMgroup or similar thing to gain interest.




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From: timmcn@minn.net (Tim McNamara)
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In article <665q5p$e1i$1@nntp-2.io.com>, ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher)
wrote:

>Perhaps so; I admit, Calweb seems a bit bigger than I first suspected;
>however, it seems rather a peculiar coincidence that one of Mikey Aquino's
>most fanatical supporters, one who has resorted to harassing innocents and
>outright illegal net-abuse in his efforts to persecute the kook who
>persecutes Mikey, just *happens* to share the same ISP as the Temple of
>Set? I mean, it isn't as if there isn't a huge number of ISPs in the
>silicon valley; how come Price has the same one as the ToS? Indeed, having
>a look at their terms of service, they're actually a pretty shitty deal to
>individuals, requiring a hefty startup fee, charging hourly connection
>fees and a premium for storage. Unless we assume Price to be a compleat
>idiot, he must be getting a rather better deal than what is quoted on
>their website; virtually *any* ISP will provide a better deal for
>individuals.

Hello?  Can you say "guilt by association?"  Can you say "McCarthyism?" 
Welcome back to the big, bad, ugly 1950's, kids!  Jeez, Lupo, what's the
deal here?  People are free to practice *whatever* religion they choose,
so long as they don't break laws or grossly infringe on the rights of
others.  Personally I'm sick of both sides of the discussion!  It's got
**nothing** to do with psychology and psychotherapy, so take it back to
alt.cults or something.  It's been more than two years of this crap in
this newsgroup (sci.psych.psychotherapy and other sci.psychology groups),
which has added nothing to the except the entertainment of watching fools
rant.

-- 
Going where the wind don't blow so strange,
maybe off on some high cold mountain range.

-Robert Hunter



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In article <timmcn-0412971302580001@dialup-pm1-27.minn.net>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@minn.net> wrote:
>In article <665q5p$e1i$1@nntp-2.io.com>, ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher)
>wrote:
>
>>Perhaps so; I admit, Calweb seems a bit bigger than I first suspected;
>>however, it seems rather a peculiar coincidence that one of Mikey Aquino's
>>most fanatical supporters, one who has resorted to harassing innocents and
>>outright illegal net-abuse in his efforts to persecute the kook who
>>persecutes Mikey, just *happens* to share the same ISP as the Temple of
>>Set? I mean, it isn't as if there isn't a huge number of ISPs in the
>>silicon valley; how come Price has the same one as the ToS? Indeed, having
>>a look at their terms of service, they're actually a pretty shitty deal to
>>individuals, requiring a hefty startup fee, charging hourly connection
>>fees and a premium for storage. Unless we assume Price to be a compleat
>>idiot, he must be getting a rather better deal than what is quoted on
>>their website; virtually *any* ISP will provide a better deal for
>>individuals.
>
>Hello?  Can you say "guilt by association?"  Can you say "McCarthyism?" 
>Welcome back to the big, bad, ugly 1950's, kids!  Jeez, Lupo, what's the
>deal here?  People are free to practice *whatever* religion they choose,
>so long as they don't break laws or grossly infringe on the rights of
>others.

 McCarthyism? I think not. As for religious freedoms, you might take a
deep breath and have a look into what *my* religion is, before you assUme
I'm persecuting poor Mikey and Price for being Satanists. (BigHint: think
the guy in the red pajamas)

 Price's agenda in all this is certainly fair game; my thesis about the
Temple of Set is that they are an unethical, marginally dangerous cult,
much akin to the Church of Scientology. Considering one of the odious
tactics of the Co$ is illegal Usenet cancels of material they dislike, I
see Price's degree of involvement in the ToS as being relevant to my
comparison (of course, he *is* involved, at least to the extent of aiding 
Aquino in his witchhunts). If he'd simply own up to the accusation I would
be glad to kill that issue and move on to more interesting things. I'm not
holding my breath, of course.

>  Personally I'm sick of both sides of the discussion!  It's got
>**nothing** to do with psychology and psychotherapy, so take it back to
>alt.cults or something.  It's been more than two years of this crap in
>this newsgroup (sci.psych.psychotherapy and other sci.psychology groups),
>which has added nothing to the except the entertainment of watching fools
>rant.

I agree. I'd like for the issue to go away in a natural way. I still
assert that it would have gone away had not Mike Aquino, John Price and an
entire host of other fools and followers turned a harmless kook (Curio)
into a righteous crusader on a mission. I have no idea what their
motivations might be in having done this; dislike of Curio certainly, but 
the zeal with which she is hunted, to the point of a substantial legal
expenditure makes me far more curious as to what she has to say, as there 
may be something to it.

- -Lupo
"but even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being..." <ix@pentagon.io.com>


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Subject: Rabid Canceller?
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Has anyone else noticed that a lot of articles posted in this
newsgroup are missing?  I see a lot of replies to articles
where the original is GONE!  You click on a reference and
get the "Bad article number" message.

Seems like someone is going around canceling any messages
they don't like.

Anyone else noticed this?





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From: ran@netgate.net
Subject: Re: Dick Depew: Net Abuser
Date: 1997/12/19
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In <674r8n$1av$1@usenet88.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>Such posts would be off topic.

On the contrary:  what better place than a group named for someone who's
devoted his life to disrupting useful communication could there be for
a raging torrent of redundant data that's both useless and inscrutable 
to most Usenet readers?

Besides,  someone who just added alt.cypherpunks to a discussion of
managing newsfeed volumes is in no position to whine about "off-topic
posting".

>You can't just say that there must be an alt.binaries.[groupname]
>for every one of the thousands of groups that might have binary postings.

You don't smoke,  do you,  Ricky?  A stray spark could start an awful
fire among all these straw men you keep building.

>Why not let readers post on-topic binaries when appropriate?

That's the way things are now:  it's appropriate to post them when 
they're put in a group intended for binaries.  It's not appropriate
when they put them in one intended strictly for text.

>The only reason that people complain about Dick Depew's forged cancels
>is that he often cancels binaries that are on-topic and desired by the
>readers of the group.

Really?  Does Speedbump know you're calling him a liar behind his back?

>I don't particularly care if he cancels porn
>in non-porn groups but I vigorously object to him cancelling on-topic
>binaries that are posted in the proper group.

Well,  since he doesn't do that,  I guess you have nothing to object to.

Ran




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From: NoSpam <NoSpam@sengir.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dick Depew: Net Abuser
Date: 1997/12/20
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In article <674r8n$1av$1@usenet88.supernews.com>, Ricardo Hector
Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> writes

<snik>

>The only reason that people complain about Dick Depew's forged cancels
>is that he often cancels binaries that are on-topic and desired by the
>readers of the group.  

People are complaining are they?  Odd that I never see any of these
complaints other than your and the other Kook Kabal posts.  Please 
can you post some references to these complaints.

>I don't particularly care if he cancels porn
>in non-porn groups but I vigorously object to him cancelling on-topic
>binaries that are posted in the proper group.

So you want content based censorship?  I personally believe that is
wrong.

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From: "Dr. John Grubor" <drg@pgh.org>
Subject: Re: Dick Depew: Net Abuser
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AOL does not take this Depew's cancels.

On 16 Dec 1997, Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:

> Date: 16 Dec 1997 03:07:03 GMT
> From: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc, news.admin.censorship,
>     news.admin.net-abuse.email, news.admin.misc, news.admin.net-abuse,
>     alt.censorship, alt.sage.john-grubor, alt.cypherpunks
> Subject: Re: Dick Depew: Net Abuser
> 
> ran@netgate.net wrote:
> : * Or more eager to drop existing ones.  One has to wonder what the reaction
> : of newsadmins would be to the discovery that,  say,  alt.god.grubor had
> : been turned into a channel for distributing the contents of sunsite,
> : hobbes,  and a few other largish ftp sites.  At a rate set to ensure that
> : every file on each of them got posted once every 46 days...
> 

Just make sure they pay be a fee.  That group on AOL for 10,000
people is reserved for paying spammers after the first of the year.

> Such posts would be off topic.  However, someone posting pictures or
> a movie clip in a fan group or a song clip in a music group is acceptible.
> As long as binaries on on-topic they should be permitted.  There are some
> groups where binaries could be on-topic and others where they might not
> be.  You can't just say that there must be an alt.binaries.[groupname]
> for every one of the thousands of groups that might have binary postings.
> Why not let readers post on-topic binaries when appropriate?
> 
> The only reason that people complain about Dick Depew's forged cancels
> is that he often cancels binaries that are on-topic and desired by the
> readers of the group.  I don't particularly care if he cancels porn
> in non-porn groups but I vigorously object to him cancelling on-topic
> binaries that are posted in the proper group.
> 

Depew has been a major problem for years, but if AOL pays no
attention to him, he is meaningless.

-DrG

> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
> 
> 




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From: cafiend@ix.netcom.com(L LL    L)
Subject: Re: The trouble with Tim...  and the RISKS involved.
Date: 1997/12/25
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In <19971225123300.HAA02039@ladder01.news.aol.com> markprobe@aol.com
(MarkProbe) writes: 
>
>In article <349cc7eb.52771103@news.sas.shaw.wave.ca>,
>mighthelp@ok...willhelp.com writes:
>
>>You obviously have a kind heart, James. There's not much anyone can
do,
>>really. Time usually takes care of most things....but this sort of
back and
>>forth sniping shouldn't go on in a group geared towards being a
support for
>>those concerned and/or affected with ADHD. We can all just hope
things smooth
>>over.
>Heather
>
>you are right, Heather. There is no need for the volume of sniping.
However,
>that is NOT attributable to a.s.a.d. folks this time. Note that the
headers
>contain other newsgroups. Tim posted to three (if I remember
correctly),
>including a.s.a.d. The folks in the other groups added some of the
whacko
>groups, and all hell broke loose.
>
>
>Mark Probert

 Dear Mark-

 Three? My dearest good and honorable fellow, you VASTLY underestimate
the achievement of your quirky little pal. Here is a list of newsgroups
your buddy has posted to in the last 2 weeks. You must be bursting with
pride. Oh, and Merry Xmas! Don't forget the quarantine begins Jan 1!

news.admin.net-abuse
alt.fan.keanu-reeves
alt.support.attn-deficit
alt.usenet.kooks
alt.government.ssdi.benefits
alt.flame.cincinnati
alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
alt.politics.liberalism
alt.politics.radical-left
alt.politics.usa.misc
alt.skeezewockers
alt.society.mental-health
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
alt.psychology.help
alt..anonymous
sci.psychology.misc
alt.radio.broadcasting
alt.video.letterbox
alt.zines
alt.ezines
cle.general
tx.guns
alt.college.democrats
soc.culture.korean
alt.conspiracy
soc.culture.singapore
alt.society.liberalism
alt.brad.jesness.die.die.die
alt.privacy.anon-server
alt.cypherpunks
news.admin.net-abuse.email
misc.transport.road
alt.radio.pirate
alt.asshole-factory
rec.pyrotechnics

The lad is just a busy little beaver.






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"Dr. John Grubor" <drg@pgh.org> wrote:

 -AOL does not take this Depew's cancels.
 -
 -On 16 Dec 1997, Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
 -
 -> Date: 16 Dec 1997 03:07:03 GMT
 -> From: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com>
 -> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc, news.admin.censorship,
 ->     news.admin.net-abuse.email, news.admin.misc, news.admin.net-abuse,
 ->     alt.censorship, alt.sage.john-grubor, alt.cypherpunks
 -> Subject: Re: Dick Depew: Net Abuser
 -> 
 -> ran@netgate.net wrote:
 -> : * Or more eager to drop existing ones.  One has to wonder what the reaction
 -> : of newsadmins would be to the discovery that,  say,  alt.god.grubor had
 -> : been turned into a channel for distributing the contents of sunsite,
 -> : hobbes,  and a few other largish ftp sites.  At a rate set to ensure that
 -> : every file on each of them got posted once every 46 days...
 -> 
 -
 -Just make sure they pay be a fee.  That group on AOL for 10,000
 -people is reserved for paying spammers after the first of the year.
 -

   It's still a bargain John--I know the AOL newsreader sucks and 
all but given that they do not accept cancels and that they have
very nice redundancy built into their newsfeed system their
newsfeed is about the best around.

 -> Such posts would be off topic.  However, someone posting pictures or
 -> a movie clip in a fan group or a song clip in a music group is acceptible.
 -> As long as binaries on on-topic they should be permitted.  There are some
 -> groups where binaries could be on-topic and others where they might not
 -> be.  You can't just say that there must be an alt.binaries.[groupname]
 -> for every one of the thousands of groups that might have binary postings.
 -> Why not let readers post on-topic binaries when appropriate?
 -> 
 -> The only reason that people complain about Dick Depew's forged cancels
 -> is that he often cancels binaries that are on-topic and desired by the
 -> readers of the group.  I don't particularly care if he cancels porn
 -> in non-porn groups but I vigorously object to him cancelling on-topic
 -> binaries that are posted in the proper group.
 -> 
 -
 -Depew has been a major problem for years, but if AOL pays no
 -attention to him, he is meaningless.

  True.  But Dick Depew is still a forgery and a censor regardless
of effectiveness.  People like that are disgusting.

                                Steve
                                news.admin.censorship

 -
 --DrG
 -
 -> -Ric G.
 -> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
 -> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
 -> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
 -> 
 -> 
 -




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Subject: please stop www.chippendale.com from sending porno SPAM
Date: 1997/12/30
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See proof below that pornographic advertisements are being sent
today, in quantities of more than 40,
on behalf of www.amateurmen.com
aka www.chippendale.com
aka www.exlovers.com
aka www.gayseek.com
aka www.strippers.com
by amen1@somesite.com
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aka exlovers1@somesite.com
aka gayseek1@somesite.com
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more undiscovered aliases possible
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also via newsfeed.internetmci.com
also via news.sprintlink.net
to the usenet newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.boys:

Today there were 48 such postings.
Most of the binary picture attachments bear the advertisement
http://www.chippendale.com
while some carry the ad http://www.Strippers.com

Please take action to stop sending these, or similar ads to this
newsgroup, or forward this message to those whose responsibility is to do
so.

These are commercial ads. They are not appropriate in any
newsgroup, except those specifically designated for advertising.
They violate Usenet policies.

The newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.boys is about pictures of boys. Yes,
literally boys. Seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and thirteen
year old boys. NOT MEN. We are not interested in seeing pictures of nude
men. We are not interested in seeing pictures of men having sex with
other men. We are not interested in visiting the advertised web sites. I
repeat, we are not interested in looking at pornographic pictures of men.

Furthermore, since these ads have included binary picture attachments
which depict explicit sexual acts, and the newsgroup where we have been
receiving them is accessible to young boys and girls in countries where
it is a criminal act to expose minors to sexually explicit pictures, I
caution you that the possibility exists, that if these ads do not stop
coming to this newsgroup, that the police might be informed that young
boys and girls are being exposed to pornography being transmitted through
these service providers.

If you have pictures to send, of males under age 18, not engaged in any
explicit sexual acts, they are welcome.

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Hello friend.  Like me, you are most likely looking for another way to
make money.  Well, here�s an easy and cheap way to make the big bucks as
fast as possible. 
	Below are 6 names and addresses.  The only thing that you have to do is
send 1 dollar ($US) to each of the people on the list.  Then just take
your name and address and put it in the #6 spot and bump everybody else
up on the list (e.g.  #5 becomes #4, #3 becomes #2, etc.), removing the
#1 spot.  And finally post a message similar to this one on at least 200
newsgroups.  That�s it.  A few hours out of your life for literally
hundreds and thousands of dollars.
	All it will cost you is exactly $7.92 to have a lot of money pour
in!!!  This is an incredible opportunity to make it rich in a very short
period of time and it is PERFECTLY LEGAL!!!  BUT ONLY IF YOU INCLUDE A
NOTE SAYING, �Please add me to your mailing list.  Enclosed is one
dollar.  Thank you.  <Your address>�  This makes this process a service
and legal because you are exchanging money for the service.  That makes
it not a chain letter.
	Also according to aron@sea-techcomputers.com (he is a retired
attorney), �THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS A 100% LEGAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
WHICH IS COVERED IN TITLE 18, SECTION 1302 AND 1342 OF THE POSTAL AND
LOTTERY LAWS.�  Also, you should keep all records of what you make and
from where you get the money to ensure that you are safe from the IRS.
	Here are the 6 addresses:

#1
Bj�rn Hendrisz
F�dreka Strat
26737-Fjardo
FINLAND


#2
Richie Kranz
Rue de la Chaux 21
27323-Paris
FRANCE


#3
Ed Averilla
Hsin Tao Building, 42nd Floor
Taipei, TAIWAN
R.O.C


#4
Christine Miles
20 Knightthorpe Road
Loughborough, Leicestershire
LE11 4JT
England UK


#5
Bad Dog
2848 West 8250 South
West Jordan, Utah  84088
USA


#6
GKC
4409 NW 131st Street
Vancouver, WA 98685
USA

	Mail out those dollars and wait by the mailbox for your easy fortune. 
This is an incredibly easy way to make money, and the only reason one
would not try this is that they are extremely lazy and stupid.  Don�t
miss out on this.  
	Many people are making thousands of dollars doing practically
nothing!!!  I am in contact with a person who using this system has made
over $50,000.00 in a little over 5 months!!!  It�s so simple and
productive.  You have to join now!!!

Thank you.

GKC

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Dear MSN Billing and Hostmaster:

Please remit $2000 immediately to the address shown below:

Chris Sparnicht
XXX XXXXX Avenue
XXXXXX, GA XXXXX

Microsoft.com has sent yet another in a series unsolicited commercial
e-mail to me. Worse, I could be wrong, but you seem to have gotten my
geocities address once again from a private list-server and seem to have
actually *used* the list server to reach me! I know for a fact that I
never asked to be put on any MSN UCE list. A copy of this is going to
the abuse department at LSOFT.COM to make them aware of the situation.
This will also be posted on news.admin.net-abuse,
news.admin.net-abuse.email, and news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

I said before that I was grossly offended by your continued disregard
for my privacy. Now I am completely outraged. I am contacting my lawyer
to find out what further actions must be taken. To date I have received
no reply in any form from microsoft.com other than another UCE.

I hope that you will contact me with a *personal* non-spam email by my
bellsouth email address immediately to confirm that you will be sending
$2000.00 promptly within thirty days to my address above and confirm
that any further UCE will not occur.

Sincerely,

Chris Sparnicht

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:17:15 -0500
From: Chris & Christine <XXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
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Dear MSN Billing and Hostmaster:

I have nothing against you or your software except that I never wanted
to be on your mailing list in the first place.

I have gone to extensive and polite means to actually reach you. I have
gone online to fill out your form as suggested for *both* my email
addresses with the mailing list check box set so that I wouldn't receive
any more emailings. You have ingnored my multiple attempts to remove
myself from your mailing list. I am still receiving e-mailings even
after trying everything in my power to get off the list. I can only
construe this as blatant disregard of my privacy and the junk fax law of
which I wrote on Thu, 13 Nov 1997.

I am grossly offended that you have disregarded my rights. The only
apology I should properly accept now would be a $1500.00 check sent to
me at the address below and a guarantee that you will no longer send any
list mailings to either of the addresses in question in the message
forwarded below.

This letter will be posted on news.admin.net-abuse,
news.admin.net-abuse.email, and news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

Sincerely,

Chris Sparnicht
XXX XXXXX Avenue
XXXXXX, GA XXXXX


Sent by you to me on Fri, 21 Nov 1997
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> Microsoft Insider's Update, November 1997


Sent to you by me on Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997
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> From: Chris & Christine <XXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: XXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net
> Organization: The Essential Gardener
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> To: 
>         Microsoft Small Business <MicrosoftSmallBusiness_000837@Newswire.Microsoft.com>,
>         MSN Billing <msnbill@MICROSOFT.COM>
> Subject: Re: November 12, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
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> unsubscribe
> 
> Dear MSB Billing:
> 
> I suspect this all came about because I clicked a note on your board
> that said I'd like to be notified when Front Page came out. Never do I
> remember being asked to subscribe to an e-newsletter. There was probably
> some tiny box on the form that was preset to subscribe me. I have tried
> everything in my power to unsubscribe. This is my last effort.
> Technically, I should be billing you for $1000.00 as allowable by US
> Federal Code under the Junk Fax Law. Next time, I will certainly send
> you a bill for $1500. Please unsubscribe me *immediately*.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris Sparnicht
> 
> 
> 
> Exhibit A: Your InterNic Whois Data:
> __________________________________________
> Microsoft Corporation MICROSOFT-DOM
>    One Microsoft Way
>    Redmond, WA 98052
>    US
> 
>    Domain Name: MICROSOFT.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact:
>       MSN Hostmaster  MH37-ORG  msnhst@MICROSOFT.COM
>       tel.: 206 882 8080  fax.: 206 703 2641
> 
>    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
>       MSN NOC  MN5-ORG  msnnoc@MICROSOFT.COM
>       206 882 8080
>    Billing Contact:
>       MSN Domain Billing  MDB-ORG  msnbill@MICROSOFT.COM
>       206 882 8080
> 
>    Record last updated on 08-Jul-97.
>    Record created on 02-May-91.
>    Database last updated on 12-Nov-97 05:15:48 EDT.
> 
>    Domain servers in listed order:
> 
>    ATBD.MICROSOFT.COM           131.107.1.7
>    DNS1.MICROSOFT.COM           131.107.1.240
>    DNS3.NWNET.NET               192.220.250.7
>    DNS4.NWNET.NET               192.220.251.7
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit B: Received from you be me today:
> __________________________________________
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> -0500 (EST)
> Received: from geocities.com ([209.1.224.29])
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>         for <XXXXXXXX@bellsouth.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:19:02 -0500
> (EST)
> Received: from bulk-03-imc.newswire.microsoft.com ([131.107.38.12])
>         by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23807
>         for <XXXXXXXX@geocities.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:19:00 -0800
> (PST)
> Received: by newswire.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service
> (5.0.1458.49)
>         id <WTV9PXRG>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:18:59 -0800
> Message-ID:
> <837CDED67A3AD111B59200805F3118C102BA9A77@bulkengine.dns.microsoft.com>
> From: Microsoft Small Business
>          <MicrosoftSmallBusiness_000837@Newswire.Microsoft.com>
> To: "'XXXXXXXX@geocities.com'" <XXXXXXXX@geocities.com>
> Subject: November 12, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:18:56 -0800
> X-Priority: 3
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49)
> Content-Type: text/plain
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> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> 
> COMPUTER D-DAY?
> [snip...]
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit C: Received from you be me previously:
> __________________________________________
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> [205.152.32.6])
>         by mail.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15077
>         for <XXXXXXXX@lig.bellsouth.net>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:20:01
> -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [206.111.43.201])
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>         for <XXXXXXXX@bellsouth.net>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:19:57 -0400
> (EDT)
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> (PDT)
> Received: by newswire.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service
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> Message-ID:
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> From: Small Business Editor
>          <SmallBusinessEditor_000578@Newswire.Microsoft.com>
> To: "'XXXXXXXX@geocities.com'" <XXXXXXXX@geocities.com>
> Subject: October 10, 1997 - Microsoft Smallbiz News Flash
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:18:10 -0700
> X-Priority: 3
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49)
> Content-Type: text/plain
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> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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> 
> 
> Microsoft is looking for a few good examples of small businesses who are
> [snip...]
> 
> 
> 
> Exibit D: Sent to you by me in response to Exhibit C:
> __________________________________________
> Message-ID: <34675235.7856@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:28:06 -0500
> From: Chris & Christine <XXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: XXXXXXXX@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net
> Organization: The Essential Gardener
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: abuse@microsoft.com
> Subject: UBE is a crime. Please stop.
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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> Dear Microsoft Abuse Department:
> 
> Previously, I have asked you to remove me from your email newsletter
> through the proper channels on your site. This has had no effect. As of
> this date, I will be sending a bill for $500 for each UBE that I receive
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to 200 plus page books!  The subjects range from 
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orders with the printed sheets and watch the bucks 
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These books and reports can be printed for as little
as a $1 and sold for up to $30 dollars.  

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      No matter what book on the subject of mail order 
that you read...no matter what mail order course you 
take...all the experts agree that to earn the really big 
money in mail order, you must be able to produce the 
product that you are selling.  The reason is that you
must drive your product acquisition costs down to rock 
bottom in order to make the big money.  Normally the 
only way to do this is to produce your own product.

      For those mail order dealers who sell books, reports, 
and manuals, the answer is to write your own material.
Your labor and the raw printing cost are your only 
production expenses, thus making your product cost 
as low as it can possibly be.

      But the problem is that many mail order dealers do
not have the expertise or the time to write their own 
books, reports, or manauls.  They need these things
provided for them while still maintaining that lowest 
possible acquisition cost.  

      Now this dilemma is solved.  Introducing the...

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       BOOKS, REPORTS, AND MANUALS YOU 
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      This CD-ROM which contains the full text to 750
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yours!  With the "Instant Publisher CD-ROM", you 
own the rights to reprint and sell these publications
keeping the profits all for yourself.

        EARN SUPER PROFITS BY PUBLISHING 
AND MARKETING YOUR OWN "HOW-TO" BOOKS!

      When you purchase this remarkable CD-ROM, 
you'll receive the reprint rights to all 750 books!  As 
the books sell, you simply print them out on your 
computer's printer and send them to your customers.
There's no need to maintain any inventory.  What
could be easier?

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                             YOU CAN OWN...  

* How To Get A VISA/Mastercard With No Credit
* How To Start A Profitable Home-Based Business
* Secrets Of The Richest People
* How To Get Free & Low Cost Advertising
* How To Save Money On Groceries
* How To Achieve Excellence In Sales
* How To Fill Your Home With Free Books
* How To Buy A New Car With No Money Down
* How To Use The Internet
* How To Self-Publish Your Own Books & Manuals
* How To Find Work With The Federal Government
* How To Write A Job Winning Resume
* How To Avoid Advertising Mistakes
* How To Write A Press Release
* How To Save Money On Taxes
* How To Sell Books By Mail
* How To Lose Weight Effectively 
* Tax Advantages Of A Home-Based Business
* Mail Order Supply Directory
* How And Where To Advertise
* How To Get Free Subscriptions To Magazines

    PLUS HUNDREDS MORE...!!

      The publications on the "Instant Publisher CD"
range from single page reports, to 40 page manuals, 
to 200 plus page books!  The subjects range from 
"Making Money" and "How To Get Into Business",
to "How To Lose Weight" and "How To Have 
Better Health".

      If you are doing business by mail, or planning to 
begin, the information on the "Instant Publisher 
CD-ROM" will be invaluable to you.  One idea alone 
could make you thousands of dollars.  Just fill your 
orders with the printed sheets and watch the bucks 
roll in!  Print for just pennies...sell for dollars.
These books and reports can be printed for as little
as a $1 and sold for up to $30 dollars.  

      This CD-ROM is professionally designed for the 
novice and expert mail order dealer alike.  Begin 
your own self-publishing business with the 
"Instant Publisher" CD-ROM.  You'll also receive 
an easy-to-use instruction sheet to help you get started.

Order your CD-ROM now by taking advantage of
our special "PRE-RETAIL" price offer.  

The retail price for this CD-ROM is $149.95

What is your price through this special offer?  ONLY $49.95

That's more than a 60% savings to you through this limited 
time offer!  Order Now!!  30 day money back guarantee,
less S&H.

PRINT AND MAIL THE ORDER FORM BELOW TO RECEIVE 
THIS INCREDIBLE CD-ROM TODAY!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please send my CD-ROM to:

Name_________________________________________

Address_______________________________________

City____________________ State______ Zip_________

Phone# (____) ________________________(Optional)

[  ] Enclosed is my check or money order made payable to:

J&R Investments
6333 Pacific Ave. Suite 375
Stockton, CA  95207

_____Qty. CD-ROM @ $49.95 ea. + $4.95 S&H

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This is a URGENT message and must be delieved to the abuse department
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User charges: Harrassment
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Dear Emergency Abuse Department,

The following user FoulPlay@aol.com has flooded our system with Mail
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Unsolicited bulk email

     Everyone who uses an email address publicly will have experienced
the increasing
     amount of unsolicited bulk email. Various filtering methods can be
set up for private use of email, such as
     when you wish to determine who you want to receive email from.
However, for public use, email may become
     less attractive, since sorting through all the junk mail becomes
time consuming; what a pity if email becomes
     useless for customer service communications, for example, because
all you get is an autoresponder... 

     Does BEO not toleate any unsolicited email?
     Yes, but mass mailings should be restricted to subscribers of topic
specific mailing lists, i..e. those who have
     given their consent to receive such email. In other cases, it would
be acceptable to send unsolicited email
     which shows that the sender has researched the target group and the
mailing is likely to interest the
     recipient. For example, if you are selling car accessories, sending
email to all the car dealers is acceptable,
     whereas obviously sending a chainletter type MLM offer to the same
groups would be unacceptable. 

     Any bulk mailing - even to subscriber lists - should include a
message about how to be removed from the list
     - at the beginning of the message. The return address should be the
sender's address, so it is easy for the
     recipient to hit reply and type "remove". Some mailings do not
contain such a message, and some do not
     even contain a valid return address, which is a clearly
unacceptable method. 

     Bulk email marketers, please <a
href="http://actionsites.com/beo/address.htm"> follow this link</a>  

          A few hints on how to prevent or limit the number of unwanted
emails in your mailbox: 

          1. Depending on which email software you use, you should be
able to set up so called filters,
          where certain keywords commonly found in unsolicited email
(for example, "MLM, milllions,
          free, opportunity, sex, extractor pro) are automatically
deleted or returned to sender. However,
          filters are not always effective, as spammers always think up
new subjects or keywords to get
          through. 

          2. Try to minimise exposing your email address: It may not be
of much use if you do not publish
          your email address, but the more you list it in directories,
newsgroups and on websites, the more
          unsolicited email you will receive. One option is to use a web
email form instead of spelling out
          the address on your website. Another option is to render your
email address useless by
          automated email extractors, by inserting the words
(remove-anti-spam) in the address after the
          @. Humans will see it and remove that part, whereas computers
obviously will not. 

          3. You may also consider using an alternative address service,
such as hotmail.com, usa.net or
          mail.yahoo.com, who provide free email addresses with
facilities for mail filtering. 

          4. Insert an anti-spam graphic link on your website, showing
that you are opposed to bulk email
          and that you know how to take action against it (i.e. spammers
risk being blacklisted). Using the
          graphic link helps reduce the email spamming in general. You
can find anti-spam graphics
	  at http://actionsites.com/beo/index.html

          5. If you really want to get the spammers, install Wpoison TM
on your website. This web
          poisoning tool automatically gererates web pages and invalid
email addresses in infinity, so that
          when spammers scan your pages for email addresses, the invalid
addresses will corrupt their
          email database and eventually render it unusable. If it does
not stop them, at least it will slow
          them down considerably. Click here to see what the Webpoison
pages look like, they will not
          harm your system unless you are running an email extractor
program. 

     As of 1998 BEO expands its services to include a blacklist of
operators who do not respect the basic email
     ethics. Please feel free to report any excessive bulk mailers, and
in particular those who keep mailing
     despite requests to be removed from the list, those who do not
provide a valid return address, and those who
     send obscene or offending emails to unsuspecting recipients. Do not
send us their email, just the name,
     email address and URL, if known. Visit us at
http://actionsites.com/beo

     Thank you for your support. 
    
     Better Ethics Online 
     <a href="http://actionsites.com/beo/index.html>click to visit</a>
     <a href="http://actionsites.com/beo/mailform.htm">Web email</a>
     Mail for spammers: <a
href="mailto:antispam@actionsites.com>antispam@actionsites.com</a>
     	

     "If each of us do our part and even if we only manage to stop a
small percentage of the unwanted mass mailings,
     it will be a welcomed service to the Internet community."



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Subject: S.P. on Mr. Steve Boursy
Date: 1998/02/05
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More people should read Steve Boursy, if only to stimulate debate
at these newsgroups, for too often there is an unpleasant sameness
about the news.admin ngs that dulls debate.  Eventually, most
of the posters here begin to sound like syncophants in their admonitions
against spammers, and against persons with contrary views from
their own.

Steve Boursy may not be a person with whom you agree with, but
his posts are about the only voice of dissent to be heard here worth
listening to, in company with Dave Hayes.

S.P.

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>More people should read Steve Boursy, if only to stimulate debate
>at these newsgroups, for too often there is an unpleasant sameness
>about the news.admin ngs that dulls debate.

OK, who farted? S.oiled P.ants is back with another hotmail account..

Oh, and is that a librarian and a security guard I see running towards
you...

*PLONK*

Mike.

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In <34ede411.35802844@enews.newsguy.com> poltroon@UCEBlock.wilhelp.com
writes: 
>
>In newsgroup alt.usenet.kooks, post
><34EDD3F4.20D3@hotmail.antispam.org>,Kevin Filan
><harwer@hotmail.antispam.org> wrote:
>
>>cbenales@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only runoff is the semen running off my dick after I fuck my
wife!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
==-----
>>> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based
newsreading
>>From ARIN's nifty new NSLookup utility:
>>
>>192.122.237.* = Northern Kentucky University (NET-NKU) NKU
192.122.237.0
>>
>>Anybody know any trolls who attend Northern Kentucky U?
>
>Tim Brown is from the area. Guest account? Somebody forget to log-off?
>Terminal in the library?

 It's Tim, gotta be. Go to Deja News and check out the groups
"cbenales" posts to:
                     soc.culture.singapore
                     alt.tv.simpsons
                     news.admin.net-abuse              
                     alt.censorship                                    
                     alt.activism                                      
                     alt.usenet.kooks                                  
                     soc.college                                       
                     alt.support.attn-deficit                          
                                                                       
All very familiar Tim Brown haunts, all places where he has suffered
significant repeated defeats and probably feels he needs anonymity to
work out his abundant resentments. Plus the signature topics
("Censorshit by the Internet Nazis!!!!"), the use of the term "Nazi",
the repeated shit in the pants references, endless yammering about
cancelled posts, all pure Timmy. Crazy in a way, that he is delusional
enough to feel he needs a secret identity to be himself, therefore
saving "Tim Brown" for his more serious pursuits, such as his wacky
e-zine. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.                           
                                                                       
                                                 -Cad                  
                                                                



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cafiend@ix.netcom.com(Cad) writes:

> It's Tim, gotta be.

But it isn't.

>Go to Deja News and check out the groups
>"cbenales" posts to:
>                     soc.culture.singapore
>                     alt.tv.simpsons
>                     news.admin.net-abuse
>                     alt.censorship
>                     alt.activism
>                     alt.usenet.kooks
>                     soc.college
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>
>All very familiar Tim Brown haunts,

Not soc.college.  As for soc.culture.singapore, I only read that group
because Mr. Benales used to do so much sanity-challenged wackiness there,
and not the other way around.

>Plus the signature topics
>("Censorshit by the Internet Nazis!!!!"), the use of the term "Nazi",

How does this "prove" that I wrote those posts?

>the repeated shit in the pants references,

Of all of my posts, how many of them talk about shit in the pants?  I
would estimate that number to be below 1%.
   I have to admit that I did enjoy Benales's latest posts, as wacky as
they are.
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From: sampaul1200@hotmail.com
Subject: SPUTUM
Date: 1998/03/01
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Dear PinkBoys at SPUTUM:

You have the wrong name on your FAQ.

I intend to make things hot for Shelby Smith, you leader, in her neighborhood
in Dallas.  Shelby's phone number is in the book, and I intend to discuss
your SPUTUM pinkness with Shelby.

You are going to lose, SPUTUM.  Thank WIll Vervair for posting at alt.2600
for what is going to happen in Shelby's neighborhood if you don't mend
your ways.

You are pink, SPUTUM. And Yellos.

S.P.

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Remember, people, only you can prevent mental midgets like Sock
Puppet.  Ignore the troll.  Nothing to see.  Move along.



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From: dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk (Doug Weller)
Subject: Canclled message Re: Edmond sends rmgroup message
Date: 1998/03/05
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Who's cancelling messages? I sent one last night under this subject line, it's
been cancelled in the last 6 hours or so.
Doug



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Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) spake thusly:
: Who's cancelling messages? I sent one last night under this subject line, it's
: been cancelled in the last 6 hours or so.
: Doug

Gee, who do we know with a track recored of canceling other people's
messages? Especially those in threads critical of Ed Wollman? 

Or am I asking a rhetorical question, there?

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On 5 Mar 1998 09:35:39 GMT, in sci.skeptic, Chris Sutor wrote:

>Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) spake thusly:
>: Who's cancelling messages? I sent one last night under this subject line, it's
>: been cancelled in the last 6 hours or so.
>: Doug
>
>Gee, who do we know with a track recored of canceling other people's
>messages? Especially those in threads critical of Ed Wollman? 

Anyway I can prove this? The cancel messages expire to fast on my ISP.

Doug



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Doug Weller wrote:
> 
> On 5 Mar 1998 09:35:39 GMT, in sci.skeptic, Chris Sutor wrote:
> 
> >Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) spake thusly:
> >: Who's cancelling messages? I sent one last night under this subject line, it's
> >: been cancelled in the last 6 hours or so.
> >: Doug
> >
> >Gee, who do we know with a track recored of canceling other people's
> >messages? Especially those in threads critical of Ed Wollman?
> 
> Anyway I can prove this? The cancel messages expire to fast on my ISP.
> 
> Doug

Wait a few days, then check dejanews using "csmg cancel" and the message
i.d. as keywords in the newsgroup you want.

That's how we've nailed Ed before.



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On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:23:05 +0000, in sci.skeptic, anonym� wrote:

>
>Wait a few days, then check dejanews using "csmg cancel" and the message
>i.d. as keywords in the newsgroup you want.

That's the problem -- no message id!

Doug



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From: Dan Sterner <danstern@flash.net>
Subject: Re: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/23
Message-ID: <3428221A.82CFA4F4@flash.net>#1/1
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Keep an eye on FLASH.NET.  A user named Pat using the account
> exconnect@flash.net recently spammed at least one newsgroup.  It's
> not yet clear if flash.net is a "Rogue Site" (as defined by the FAQ)
> but everyone should keep an eye out in case future behaviour proves
> this possibility.
> 
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6

Real simple Ric, horseshit. Try spamming from there and see if you have
an account at the end of the first day. It's not that easy to confuse
the issue. As a user there I have communicated often with postmaster,
no-spam, and others and they are very responsive AGAINST spam.

-- 
Sites to help with the fight against SPAM and UCE
Abuse.net: Home Page -- http://www.abuse.net/ Report abuse
Fight Spam on the Internet! -- http://spam.abuse.net/spam/
Net Abuse Bookmarks -- http://www.teleport.com/~atari/net-abuse.htm



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/23
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Dan Sterner (danstern@flash.net) wrote:
: > Keep an eye on FLASH.NET.  A user named Pat using the account
: > exconnect@flash.net recently spammed at least one newsgroup.  It's
: > not yet clear if flash.net is a "Rogue Site" (as defined by the FAQ)
: > but everyone should keep an eye out in case future behaviour proves
: > this possibility.
:
: As a user there I have communicated often with postmaster,
: no-spam, and others and they are very responsive AGAINST spam.

That's odd.  Why didn't they stop spam from the user using the account
exconnect@flash.net who fired off numerous identical message in rapid
succession?  It seems that they aren't interested.  Maybe the whole
site is rogue?  I've seen similar logic from net-cops in this group.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: Dan Sterner <danstern@flash.net>
Subject: Re: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/23
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> That's odd.  Why didn't they stop spam from the user using the account
> exconnect@flash.net who fired off numerous identical message in rapid
> succession?  It seems that they aren't interested.  Maybe the whole
> site is rogue?  I've seen similar logic from net-cops in this group.

Stop how? Mind reading, fortune telling, what would you suggest Ric? I
don't see the person here now so I guess they did take care of it. I've
seen enough of your posts that I'm not going to get drawn into one of
your silly debates, you think or say what you want and the rational
people will go on with something that matters.

-- 
Sites to help with the fight against SPAM and UCE
Abuse.net: Home Page -- http://www.abuse.net/ Report abuse
Fight Spam on the Internet! -- http://spam.abuse.net/spam/
Net Abuse Bookmarks -- http://www.teleport.com/~atari/net-abuse.htm



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From: boursy@alt.net (ISP Ratings)
Subject: Re: To fellow news-admins: Please stop creating binary news groups and start deleting them
Date: 1997/09/24
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
 -
 -: AOL went from an a full service $19.95 ISP for me to a $4.95 
 -: mailbox and web page host because they didn't honor reputable 
 -: cancels rendering their already crappy reader unusable.

  Well several points as one who has an AOL account.  Their
newsreader is quite worthless--if your primary online interest
is usenet AOL will not do by itself.  One nice thing about their
newsfeed though is that they get just about everything so
it's a good check on what gets through where and why.
And they'll carry any group requested of course.  

  The AOL newsfeed is quite good when compared to most--
they don't get a UUNET feed for one thing (UUNET filters
their feed quite heavily) although now that WorldCom (which
owns UUNET) bought out Compuserve in cooperation with
AOL how long a decent feed continues remains to be seen.


 -How is anyone to know which cancels are reputable when anyone can
 -forge a cancel for any message and most cancels are for content based
 -reasons? 

   Well the only cancels that are legitimate of course are those issued
by the author of the article.  Any concerned party who wishes to take
the time to look through the newsgroup 'control' will readily note that
over 95% of all cancels are forged.  Reputable service providers do
not accept cancels.

 - It would take far too much time to track down which cancels
 -were sent by the original message's author and which were sent by
 -net-cops trying to remove articles they don't like.  Therefore most
 -ISPs ignore cancel messages altogether.

  Yes--the good ones do.  Others--like Mindspring for example,
get only a small portion of pre-approved news.

                                 Steve
                                 news.admin.censorship


 -
 --Ric G.
 -Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
 -"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
 -sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: wbaseley@mindspring.com (WD Baseley)
Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: comp.org.cauce moderated
Date: 1997/09/24
Message-ID: <34290f4c.145925134@news.mindspring.com>#1/1
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On 23 Sep 1997 22:35:42 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

The subject line of this post has been deliberately altered.  There
has been **no** 3rd RFD.  

>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

Not.

-- WD Baseley
 The Email Abuse FAQ is at
  <http://members.aol.com/emailfaq>
 Fight UCE - join CAUCE
  <http://www.cauce.org>



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From: "Antonio" <antonio@redkbs.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/09/26
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Marek Bi�kowski <gustaw@lodz.pdi.net> escribi� en art�culo
<33f5dbdd.18959365@news.nask.org.pl>...
> On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Oxen wrote:
> >> 
> >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
> >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
<finzi@bigfoot.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me
to
> >> > >attach
> >> > >> >it
> >> > >> >>>to
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
this
> >> > >thread.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >mee TOO
> >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> mee too
> >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >> > >>
> >> > >mee too
> >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>>mee too
> >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> mee too
> >> oxen@hkstar.com
> >>mee too
> mee too
> gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> me too
antonio@redkbs.com




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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Read a little literature, Ricardo.
Date: 1997/09/26
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In article <60h8b7$4ej$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.

Yeh, you're definitely in the same category as the people who flamed
Jonathan Swift. Except you're doing it just to be an asshole, not because
you really believe they're going to cook Irish babies.
-- 
This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
Date: 1997/09/26
Message-ID: <60h8b7$4ej$1@e3000.supernews.com>#1/1
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Portland Atari Club (atari@user1.teleport.com) wrote:
: >I stopped supporting CAUCE when some of their members revealed a strong
: >anti-semetic position and identified with CAUCE.  No one should have to
: >tolerate their hateful stance, nor does it has any place with the 
: >discussion of spam.
:
: Poor Little Rickie has trouble distinguishing between anti-Semitism, and
: anti-idiotism.  He assumes that people who call him an idiot are doing it
: because he claims to be Jewish.  Sadly, people call him an idiot becasue
: he's an idiot.
 
When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
values.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: devnull@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz - see sig to reply)
Subject: Re: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
Date: 1997/09/26
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On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Portland Atari Club (atari@user1.teleport.com) wrote:
>: >I stopped supporting CAUCE when some of their members revealed a strong
>: >anti-semetic position and identified with CAUCE.  No one should have to
>: >tolerate their hateful stance, nor does it has any place with the 
>: >discussion of spam.
>:
>: Poor Little Rickie has trouble distinguishing between anti-Semitism, and
>: anti-idiotism.  He assumes that people who call him an idiot are doing it
>: because he claims to be Jewish.  Sadly, people call him an idiot becasue
>: he's an idiot.
> 
>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>values.

Grow a brain.

I'm half-tempted to re-join CAUCE just to piss you off, you lying sack
of shit.


-- 
 Do you support CAUCE?  Do you use a spamblocked address?
 If the answer to both of those questions is "yes", you might
 want to reconsider your support of CAUCE because of their
 radical stance against spamblocked addresses.

     (To reply to me, change devnull to censor)



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In news.groups on Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:46:24 GMT, devnull@clubvb.com (Ron
Schwarz - see sig to reply) wrote:

>On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
>Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>>values.
>
>Grow a brain.
>
>I'm half-tempted to re-join CAUCE just to piss you off, you lying sack
>of shit.

First it is tasteless jokes.  Now it is tasteless ad hominem attacks.

Sigh......


---
"But when 70 percent of people would rather read People magazine
or a book, that's quite a statement, especially when the Internet 
is so hip."   
                ---Gary Gabelhouse of Fairfield Research, discussing
a survey which showed that most online users prefer other diversions
to surfing the Net.
 



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Subject: Re: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
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On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:57:31 GMT, hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas)
wrote:

>In news.groups on Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:46:24 GMT, devnull@clubvb.com (Ron
>Schwarz - see sig to reply) wrote:
>
>>On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
>>Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>
>>>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>>>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>>>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>>>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>>>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>>>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>>>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>>>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>>>values.
>>
>>Grow a brain.
>>
>>I'm half-tempted to re-join CAUCE just to piss you off, you lying sack
>>of shit.
>
>First it is tasteless jokes.  Now it is tasteless ad hominem attacks.
>
>Sigh......

Uh, who are you sighing at?


-- 
 Do you support CAUCE?  Do you use a spamblocked address?
 If the answer to both of those questions is "yes", you might
 want to reconsider your support of CAUCE because of their
 radical stance against spamblocked addresses.

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Animal Rights Activists and the Elders of Zion forced Ricardo Hector Gonzales to say:

# When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
# and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I

Proof?  With full headers.

# distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks

YM "Anti-Semitic".  May I ask where you go to synagogue?  I wish to query
your Rabbi as to whether or not you really are Jewish.

--Camille.

-- 
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    		    http://www.primenet.com/~capella/
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On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:


>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>values.
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6


Ric,
Before you say one more remark on this subject, I want you to direct
us exactly to where your evidence is and don't just point to a few ppl
who might have said something offensive,you don't blame a whole
org and make accusations like you've made unless you have substanial
proof or your just a troublemaker! No more accusations until we see
your proof! 
I have a real problem with your true motives at this stage..you seem
to be looking for trouble? 

BTW..I never see you post about spammers,all your posts seem directed
to anti-spammers..do you have a problem with anti-spammers? 

Also..why are you cross-posting to so many groups..are you looking for
attention?  

cg

=================================================
Please E-Mail me at: /cg/@/n/i/g/h/t/l/y/./c/o/m/
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On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

> 
>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>values.
>
So you think the hidden agenda� behind 2nd RFD:
comp.org.cauce.moderated is to stop Jewish posters? Deep, very deep.

What am I doing on shabbes, responding to a meshuggener and his latest
mishegoss?


Herschel



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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 27-Sep-97 Re: CAUCE
anti-semitism and.. by cg__@see.sig.com 

> who might have said something offensive,you don't blame a whole
> org and make accusations like you've made unless you have substanial
> proof or your just a troublemaker! No more accusations until we see
> your proof!

Oh bloody hell!--will you just ADMIT that CAUCE is a neo-nazi front so
we can move on to something else? 


  yours &c. 
  g.v.w. iv, rhetorician, casuist, guerrilla dialectician 

  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
  wilkes@eng.hss.cmu.edu
  http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/ 



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Marek Bi=F1kowski wrote:
> =

> On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> wrote:
> =

> >Oxen wrote:
> >>
> >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
> >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" <finzi@bigfo=
ot.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want m=
e to
> >> > >attach
> >> > >> >it
> >> > >> >>>to
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer t=
his
> >> > >thread.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >mee TOO
> >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> mee too
> >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >> > >>
> >> > >mee too
> >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>>mee too
> >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> mee too
> >> oxen@hkstar.com
> >>mee too
> mee too
> gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
me too
lbf@chez.com



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From: hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas)
Subject: Re: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
Date: 1997/09/27
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In news.groups on Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:29:32 GMT, devnull@clubvb.com (Ron
Schwarz - see sig to reply) wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:57:31 GMT, hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas)
>wrote:
>
>>In news.groups on Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:46:24 GMT, devnull@clubvb.com (Ron
>>Schwarz - see sig to reply) wrote:
>>
>>>On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
>>>Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>>>>and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>>>>distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>>>>though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>>>>serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>>>>individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>>>>behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>>>>resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>>>>values.
>>>
>>>Grow a brain.
>>>
>>>I'm half-tempted to re-join CAUCE just to piss you off, you lying sack
>>>of shit.
>>
>>First it is tasteless jokes.  Now it is tasteless ad hominem attacks.
>>
>>Sigh......
>
>Uh, who are you sighing at?

Whoever called Ricardo Gonzales a lying sack of sh*t.  Even if it is true,
it is still a tasteless ad hominem attack.

It was something of a followup to another article I wrote (but which hasn't
shown up on my server yet) that Mr. Gonzales was reacting to a tasteless
joke about the Inquisition.

I also forgot to sign my name. Sorry 'bout that.

Henrietta
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Le Bondeur Fou wrote:

> Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Oxen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
> Hansen"
> > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you
> want me to
> > >> > >attach
> > >> > >> >it
> > >> > >> >>>to
> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
> answer this
> > >> > >thread.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> mee too
> > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >mee too
> > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> mee too
> > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > >>mee too
> > mee too
> > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> >me too
> >lbf@chez.com

me tooajrelph@cableinet.co.uk

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From: cg@see.sig.com (cg__)
Subject: Troublemaker:Ricardo Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com)
Date: 1997/09/28
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When is this Ric guy going to answer all the questions that
he stirred up..do we need to chase him down like a baldface
liar? He attacks everyone then runs and hides! Anyone have his real
address?

cg



On Sun, 28 Sep 97 07:41:33 GMT, captain.blade@spambusters.ml.org (Rich
Tietjens) wrote:

>In article <342c72aa.5687154@news.wwa.com>, hkt@wwa.com (Henrietta Thomas) wrote:
>>
>>>On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
>>>Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>>
><SNIP>
>>
>>First it is tasteless jokes.  Now it is tasteless ad hominem attacks.
>
>The tasteless joke was committed by Rickie's parents.
>
>No, either Mr. Gonzo will post a complete retractio nand an abject apology, 
>or the message-IDs of specific articles wherein "CAUCE members speak gleefully 
>about the extermination of Jews" or I shall make a point of adding the 
>following statement to my .sig file and to each and every one of the more than 
>20 Web sites I maintain, as well as the charters of the four newsgroups which 
>I control:
>
>"Ricardo Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com) is a lying scumbag who has attempted 
>to stir up racial and ethnic hatred on the Internet in order to further his 
>own twisted (and obscure) aims, and to disrupt the free exchange of ideas.  
>The only possible aim I can ascribe to this behavior is his desire to destroy 
>the freedom of speech which is furthered by a a spam-free Internet.  It 
>follows that Ricardo Gonzales is either an agent of totalitarianism, wither 
>witting or unwitting, or a complet and utter fool."
>
>And Rickie - you have 48 hours.  Do please feel free to sue me.  ?I'd love to 
>expose your idiocy in a court of law - after filing a countersuit for 
>frivolous prosecution.
>
>I'll only keep it in the .sig for a few days at a stretch, however - just two 
>days for every day I see Rickie's posts in Usenet.
>
>
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From: herschel@example.com (Herschel)
Subject: Re: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
Date: 1997/09/28
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On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:43:40 -0400, dave@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe)
wrote:

>In <342ff8ff.11870555@news.u-net.com>, herschel@example.com (Herschel)
>wrote:
>-On 26 Sep 1997 21:09:59 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
>-Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>-> 
>->When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
>->and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
>->distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
>->though I find both of them repulsive and unproductive.  If CAUCE was
>->serious then they would concentrate on the issues instead of attacking
>->individuals with childish namecalling and engaging in anti-semetic
>->behaviour.  It's really no wonder that CAUCE is seeing it's members
>->resign in droves to distance themselves from CAUCE's unprofessional
>->values.
>->
>-So you think the hidden agenda� behind 2nd RFD:
>-comp.org.cauce.moderated is to stop Jewish posters? Deep, very deep.
>-
>-What am I doing on shabbes, responding to a meshuggener and his latest
>-mishegoss?
>
>Preparing to plotz?
>
>:)
>
Nah, anyone can tell Gonzales is no mensh - he`s merino, not Marrano. 


Herschel



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From: mi@rtfm.ziplink.net (Mikhail Teterin)
Subject: Re: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/28
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Honorable Ricardo Hector Gonzales
      wrote on 22 Sep (in article <606bv2$anc$1@e3000.supernews.com>):

=Keep an eye on FLASH.NET. A user named Pat using the account
=exconnect@flash.net recently spammed at least one newsgroup. It's not
=yet clear if flash.net is a "Rogue Site" (as defined by the FAQ) but
=everyone should keep an eye out in case future behaviour proves this
=possibility.

Their postmaster refused to do anything about an account whose
owner was spamming (by e-mail), but from another ISP. Note, that
we both agreed, the his user was guilty, but he did not care as
long as he did not use flash.net for this.

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From: Satan <askme@don't.ask.me>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/09/29
Message-ID: <60n1fk$opd@duke.telepac.pt>#1/1
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Marek Bi�kowski wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Oxen wrote:
> >>
> >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
> >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> >> > >attach
> >> > >> >it
> >> > >> >>>to
> >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> >> > >thread.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >mee TOO
> >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> mee too
> >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >> > >>
> >> > >mee too
> >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>>mee too
> >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> mee too
> >> oxen@hkstar.com
> >>mee too
> mee too
> gustaw@lodz.pdi.net

  me too
kerberus@rocketmail.com




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From: Mike Segel <Postmaster@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Re: CAUCE anti-semitism and member resignation
Date: 1997/09/29
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Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> 
> Bring Me The Multiple Personalities of SP <capella@primenet.com> wrote:
> >Animal Rights Activists and the Elders of Zion forced Ricardo Hector Gonzales to say:
> >
> ># When CAUCE members speak gleefully about the extermination of Jews
> ># and say that Jews aren't wanted, that is simply anti-semitism.  I
> >
> >Proof?  With full headers.
> >
> ># distinguish CAUCE's anti-semetic remarks from their ad hominem attacks
> >
> >YM "Anti-Semitic".  May I ask where you go to synagogue?  I wish to query
> >your Rabbi as to whether or not you really are Jewish.
> 
> His Rabbi is Rabbi Schlomo Ruthenberg, schlomo@bwalk.dm.com.
> 
> I am sure that as a taxpayer, Rabbi Ruthenberg is outraged right now.
> 
> :)
> 
> igor
Hmmm,
dm.com is Dmitri Vulva ;-)
Sounds like the kook kabal is going to support Ricki.

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From: george@spam.sucks.example.com (George Curry)
Subject: Re: Troublemaker:Ricardo Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com)
Date: 1997/09/29
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All this dates back to a thread 'Is Ricardo Spamming?' a few months ago, see 
my long article fro the full SP.

George Curry
george at dircon dot co dot uk

Fight Spam! Support the Smith Bill to abolish UCE. Tell your political 
representative how Spam mailings hurt you.  Help protect genuine Internet 
commerce: Outlaw UCE Spamming.

I no longer support CAUCE because of their intransigent stance on address 
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From: killer@icanect.net
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:36:01 GMT, Scapegoat@worldnet.att.net (Roland)
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:39:03 +0200, Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote:
>
>>mSatan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>>> 
>>> > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >Oxen wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>>> > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>>> > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
>>> > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>>> > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>> > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>>> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
>>> > >> > >attach
>>> > >> > >> >it
>>> > >> > >> >>>to
>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
>>> > >> > >thread.
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> >mee TOO
>>> > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> mee too
>>> > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >mee too
>>> > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>>> > >> > >>>>
>>> > >> > >>>>>mee too
>>> > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> mee too
>>> > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>>> > >>mee too
>>> > mee too
>>> > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>>> 
>>>   me too
>>> kerberus@rocketmail.com
>>me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>
>
>mee too
>scapegoat@worldnet.att.net


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mee Too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>killer@icanect.net




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Me too!  maveric@cybermail.net
 killer@icanect.net wrote in article =
<3430647d.14734263@news.icanect.net>...
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:36:01 GMT, Scapegoat@worldnet.att.net (Roland)
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:39:03 +0200, Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote:
>
>>mSatan wrote:
>>>
>>> Marek Bi=F1kowski wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >Oxen wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>>> > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>>> > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik =
Hansen"
>>> > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>>> > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>> > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" =
<finzi@bigfoot.com>
>>> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you =
want me to
>>> > >> > >attach
>>> > >> > >> >it
>>> > >> > >> >>>to
>>> > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and =
answer this
>>> > >> > >thread.
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> >mee TOO
>>> > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> >
>>> > >> > >> mee too
>>> > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>>> > >> > >>
>>> > >> > >mee too
>>> > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>>> > >> > >>>>
>>> > >> > >>>>>mee too
>>> > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> mee too
>>> > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>>> > >>mee too
>>> > mee too
>>> > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>>>
>>>   me too
>>> kerberus@rocketmail.com
>>me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>
>
>mee too
>scapegoat@worldnet.att.net


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mee Too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>killer@icanect.net



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<P>Me too!  <A =
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<HTML><BODY><FONT size=3D2>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:36:01 GMT, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Scapegoat@worldnet.att.net">Scapegoat@worldnet.att.net</A>=
=20
(Roland)<BR>
wrote:<BR>
<BR>
&gt;On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:39:03 +0200, Jack &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Brad-Pitt@yours.com">Brad-Pitt@yours.com</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;mSatan wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Marek Bi&ntilde;kowski wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mudshark@feist.com">mudshark@feist.com</A>&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;Oxen wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Real Name &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:username@iaccess.com.au">username@iaccess.com.au</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
article<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au">5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.ia=
ccess.com.au</A>&gt;...<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default">01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8=
efc2@default</A>&gt;,=20
&quot;Henrik Hansen&quot;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:hhansen@post4.tele.dk">hhansen@post4.tele.dk</A>&gt; =
says:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;Damian &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:damian@asa-net.co.uk">damian@asa-net.co.uk</A>&gt; skrev =
i=20
artiklen<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk">33e6f1dd.139709234@ne=
ws.demon.co.uk</A>&gt;...<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 =
+0200,=20
&quot;Daniele Finzi&quot; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:finzi@bigfoot.com">finzi@bigfoot.com</A>&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I have and adultcheck key maker.&nbsp; If you want =
me=20
to<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;attach<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;it<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;to<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; an email to you, just write &quot;me too&quot; and =
answer=20
this<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;thread.<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;mee TOO<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:finzi@bigfoot.com">finzi@bigfoot.com</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:damian@asa-net.co.uk">damian@asa-net.co.uk</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:san_ger@hotmail.com">san_ger@hotmail.com</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:hboy23@hotmail.com">hboy23@hotmail.com</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:oxen@hkstar.com">oxen@hkstar.com</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; mee too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:gustaw@lodz.pdi.net">gustaw@lodz.pdi.net</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; me too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:kerberus@rocketmail.com">kerberus@rocketmail.com</A><BR>
&gt;&gt;me too <A=20
href=3D"mailto:jacobkjensen@hotmail.com">jacobkjensen@hotmail.com</A><BR>=

&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;mee too<BR>
&gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:scapegoat@worldnet.att.net">scapegoat@worldnet.att.net</A>=
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt;Mee=20
Too<BR>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<A=20
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From: Sam <sam-001.dpinc.ml.org@enterprise.net>
Subject: Re: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/30
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Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> 
> Honorable Ricardo Hector Gonzales
>       wrote on 22 Sep (in article <606bv2$anc$1@e3000.supernews.com>):
> 
> =Keep an eye on FLASH.NET. A user named Pat using the account
> =exconnect@flash.net recently spammed at least one newsgroup. It's not
> =yet clear if flash.net is a "Rogue Site" (as defined by the FAQ) but
> =everyone should keep an eye out in case future behaviour proves this
> =possibility.
> 
> Their postmaster refused to do anything about an account whose
> owner was spamming (by e-mail), but from another ISP. Note, that
> we both agreed, the his user was guilty, but he did not care as
> long as he did not use flash.net for this.
> 
> --
>                          |\__-----__/|
>                     _____/ :::::  :::\_____
>                    '__--( ::::::::..::)--__`    -mi
> If you have a      /  _- \/  :::::::\/ -_
> serious knowledge    /   / :.   .::::\   \
> about computers --      | ::::::::::::|         Ok, let's say you broke
> keep it in a secret!   _|/ ::::____::\|_        the wall with your head
> "Rules of dating",   /  /:::::/:_::\::\:.\      What are you going to
> 'Playboy', ? 1994   | :|  ..:(_/ \::|::|::|     do in the next cell?
>                     | :|:::::. ::|: |::|.:|           Stanislaw J. Lec
>                      \ |::  :::_/::/: :|:/
>                    ((___\____\____/___/___))

Talk sense or don't post here at all fool. Shut up. -
dave.marchant@bt.net

<bleat-bleat> Sam's NOT got the keys to the jeep. <bleat-bleat>

Sam of no consequence <bleat> sam-001@dpinc.ml.org
       McSmIRC,McGrIN,McNudgeNudgeWinkSayNoMore
       ... Just consider it another message full of egocentric
ficto-fact statements 
           of no consequence whatsoever...
       ... SAM-001 the world's first and last fully automated genuine
           all-seein' all-knowin' crap-spewin' 100% pure SHITBOT :-)
       (Check with your nurse before replying)



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: New Scientist - is this a forgery ?
Date: 1997/10/01
Message-ID: <60smfj$2hv$2@usenet76.supernews.com>#1/1
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Colin Rosenthal (rosentha@asp.hao.ucar.edu) wrote:
: Mike Dusseault <mike@bulwark1.ic.gc.ca> wrote:
: >This pains me greatly.  I love that magazine.  I am both shocked
: >and dismayed that such a reputable publication would engage in
: >such a practice.  And to add insult to injury, they used a BCC.
: >How such intelligent people who publish such a top rate scientific
: >magazine could do this, I have no idea.
: 
: Yes, indeed! Maybe it was a disgruntled employee or something. I just
: find it very hard to believe that such a reputable publication would
: act in such a way 
 
Not to worry.  I've added them to the blacklist of Internet advertisers
who sell things people don't like.  They'll probably be out of business
by the end of the year considering how much power people on the Internet
wield.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New Scientist - is this a forgery ?
Date: 1997/10/01
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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 1-Oct-97 Re: New Scientist
- is this.. by Ricardo H. Gonzales@prim 

> : Yes, indeed! Maybe it was a disgruntled employee or something. I just
> : find it very hard to believe that such a reputable publication would
> : act in such a way 
>  
> Not to worry.  I've added them to the blacklist of Internet advertisers
> who sell things people don't like.  They'll probably be out of business
> by the end of the year considering how much power people on the Internet
> wield.

Oh yes, Ricardo. What power i wield, internet user that i am. Ordinary
humans sense my power and cringe before ME as i queue up at the ATM
machine. Why, i feel that power coursing through my plaqued-out arteries
EVEN NOW, Ricardo! MY GOD MAN!--ELECTRIC CURRENTS OF RAW ENERGY ARC FROM
MY KEYBOARD, THROUGH MY FINGERTIPS, AND UP INTO MY BRAIN! MY EYES,
RICARDO! MY EYES ARE AGLOW! I CAN SEE THROUGH THE FABRIC OF TIME! No-no,
wait, wait a sec--oh, that's the crystal meth. Right. Sorry. Never mind. 

  yours &c. 
  g.v.w. iv, rhetorician, casuist, guerrilla dialectician 

  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
  wilkes@eng.hss.cmu.edu
  http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/ 



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From: gamer08 <gamer08@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/01
Message-ID: <3432E0FC.57EA@ibm.net>#1/1
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jgindc wrote:
> 
> Mr POTato Head wrote:
> >
> > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > mSatan wrote:
> > >
> > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
> > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want
> > me to
> > > > >> > >attach
> > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
> > this
> > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> mee too
> > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > >>mee too
> > > > mee too
> > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > >
> > >   me too
> > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> >
> > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> me too gamer08@ibm.net
me to jgindc@ibm.net



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From: Gene Sykes <Sykes@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/01
Message-ID: <34334115.70D1@thegrid.net>#1/1
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gamer08 wrote:
> 
> jgindc wrote:
> >
> > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> > >
> > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> > > mSatan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
> > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want
> > > me to
> > > > > >> > >attach
> > > > > >> > >> >it
> > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
> > > this
> > > > > >> > >thread.
> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> mee too
> > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >mee too
> > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> > > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> mee too
> > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> > > > > >>mee too
> > > > > mee too
> > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> > > >
> > > >   me too
> > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> > >
> > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> me to jgindc@ibm.net
mee too aerochris@hotmail.com



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From: calis00@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/10/02
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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:47:08 -0400, gamer08 <gamer08@ibm.net> wrote:

>jgindc wrote:
>> 
>> Mr POTato Head wrote:
>> >
>> > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>> > mSatan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark <mudshark@feist.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >Oxen wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>> > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>> > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
>> > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>> > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>> > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want
>> > me to
>> > > > >> > >attach
>> > > > >> > >> >it
>> > > > >> > >> >>>to
>> > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
>> > this
>> > > > >> > >thread.
>> > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>> > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > >> > >> mee too
>> > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >mee too
>> > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>> > > > >> > >>>>
>> > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>> > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> mee too
>> > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>> > > > >>mee too
>> > > > mee too
>> > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>> > >
>> > >   me too
>> > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>> > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>> >
>> > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>> me too gamer08@ibm.net
>me to jgindc@ibm.net
>>me too calis00@hotmail.com




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From: matt dick <dickm@columbia.dsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Troublemaker:Ricardo Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com)
Date: 1997/10/02
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Down with Spam.
Matt Dick
8:00AM


George Curry wrote:

> All this dates back to a thread 'Is Ricardo Spamming?' a few months
> ago, see
> my long article fro the full SP.
>
> George Curry
> george at dircon dot co dot uk
>
> Fight Spam! Support the Smith Bill to abolish UCE. Tell your political
>
> representative how Spam mailings hurt you.  Help protect genuine
> Internet
> commerce: Outlaw UCE Spamming.
>
> I no longer support CAUCE because of their intransigent stance on
> address
> modification which is know to be effective at stopping casual
> spammers.






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Gene Sykes wrote in message <34334115.70D1@thegrid.net>...
>gamer08 wrote:
>>=20
>> jgindc wrote:
>> >
>> > Mr POTato Head wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article =
<342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
>> > > mSatan wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Marek Bi=F1kowski wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark =
<mudshark@feist.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >Oxen wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
>> > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
>> > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik =
Hansen"
>> > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
>> > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
>> > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> > > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If =
you want
>> > > me to
>> > > > > >> > >attach
>> > > > > >> > >> >it
>> > > > > >> > >> >>>to
>> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" =
and answer
>> > > this
>> > > > > >> > >thread.
>> > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
>> > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> > >> >
>> > > > > >> > >> mee too
>> > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>> > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > >> > >mee too
>> > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
>> > > > > >> > >>>>
>> > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
>> > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> mee too
>> > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
>> > > > > >>mee too
>> > > > > mee too
>> > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
>> > > >
>> > > >   me too
>> > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
>> > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
>> > >
>> > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
>> > me too gamer08@ibm.net
>> me to jgindc@ibm.net
>mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
me too sang-drax@rocketmail.com

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<DIV>Gene Sykes<SYKES@THEGRID.NET> wrote in message &lt;<A=20
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t;...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;gamer08 wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; jgindc =
wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Mr POTato Head wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; Jack &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Brad-Pitt@yours.com">Brad-Pitt@yours.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
article=20
&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:342ECE77.29E8@yours.com">342ECE77.29E8@yours.com</A>&gt;..=
.<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; mSatan wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
Marek Bi&ntilde;kowski wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mudshark@feist.com">mudshark@feist.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=
 &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt;Oxen wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Real Name &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:username@iaccess.com.au">username@iaccess.com.au</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
article<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au">5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.ia=
ccess.com.au</A>&gt;...<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; In article=20
&lt;01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default&gt;, &quot;Henrik=20
Hansen&quot;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<A=20
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says:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;=20
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;Damian &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:damian@asa-net.co.uk">damian@asa-net.co.uk</A>&gt; skrev =
i=20
artiklen<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk">33e6f1dd.139709234@ne=
ws.demon.co.uk</A>&gt;...<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 =
+0200,=20
&quot;Daniele Finzi&quot;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:finzi@bigfoot.com">finzi@bigfoot.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I have and adultcheck =
key=20
maker.&nbsp; If you want<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; me to<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;attach<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; &gt;it<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt;to<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; an email to you, just write =
&quot;me=20
too&quot; and answer<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; this<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;thread.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;mee=20
TOO<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:finzi@bigfoot.com">finzi@bigfoot.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;=20
&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; mee =

too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <A=20
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 &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt;mee too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:san_ger@hotmail.com">san_ger@hotmail.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =

&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;mee too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:hboy23@hotmail.com">hboy23@hotmail.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; mee=20
too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:oxen@hkstar.com">oxen@hkstar.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt;&gt;mee too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mee too<BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; &gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:gustaw@lodz.pdi.net">gustaw@lodz.pdi.net</A><BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; me too<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; =
&gt; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:kerberus@rocketmail.com">kerberus@rocketmail.com</A><BR>&g=
t;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; me too <A=20
href=3D"mailto:jacobkjensen@hotmail.com">jacobkjensen@hotmail.com</A><BR>=
&gt;&gt;=20
&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; and me please - <A=20
href=3D"mailto:loaded69@hotmail.com">loaded69@hotmail.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt;=
 &gt; me=20
too <A href=3D"mailto:gamer08@ibm.net">gamer08@ibm.net</A><BR>&gt;&gt; =
me to <A=20
href=3D"mailto:jgindc@ibm.net">jgindc@ibm.net</A><BR>&gt;mee too <A=20
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">me too <A=20
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Phelps Website Caution
Date: 1997/10/04
Message-ID: <616f6e$scp$2@usenet11.supernews.com>#1/1
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Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >ehoffer@freeweb.essenet.it wrote:
: >: Rejecting a cookie provides some protection against a website
: >: accessing confidential information on your computer. Some
: >: unethical websites have software allowing the to take a snapshot
: >: on your hard drive. Hackers could then get into your computer
: >: and gather information stored on your hard drive such as 
: >: personal correspondence, emails, etc. The Phelpses may be
: >: attempting to gather information about you from your browser
: >: or hard drive.
: >
: >You've already revealed your motivation in an earlier post.  You want
: >this individual's web pages shut down because you disagree with his
: >opinions and aren't capable of having a mature discussion about those
: >opinions.
: >
: >Your paranoid warnings about cookies are a weak attempt to create
: >controversy.  Most web sites use cookies and the security problems
: >you suggest either don't exist or were bugs in very old versions of
: >certain web browsers.  You're simply lying in an attempt to have
: >opinions censored that you don't like.
:
: Could you please keep your comments on-topic for this newsgroup?  You
: are discussing censorship.  That does not belong in nan-am.

The comments relate to censorship which is the prevalent motivation of
"net cops" in nam-am.  The efforts of "net cops" to censor users through
complaints when they don't like a particular opinion expressed by an
individual will always be opposed.  This primary motivation to silence
opinions that are disliked will always be revealed in the censorous
behaviour of the "net cops".  All opinions have the right to be
expressed, no matter how much a "net cop" disagrees with that particular
opinion.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/04
Message-ID: <616o51$r5e@bonkers.taronga.com>#1/1
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In article <616eu3$scp$1@usenet11.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: >I asked him about the rumours of his child molestation but still haven't
>: >gotten a reply.

>: Cool, Ricardo. I just asked you the same thing, and you refused to reply.

>Why did you start these false rumors Peter?

What false rumors exactly are you alleging that I'm starting?

But now that you brought the subject up...

That's a good question, Ricardo. I'd love to hear your answer, some time,
when you get around to actually explaining your actions.

Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?

Are you really that full of spite and poison? Do you really want people to
believe your slimy innuendos?
-- 
This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
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Mike Hawkins wrote:
> 
> me two
> 
> Saggi Messer <sang-drax@rocketmail.com> wrote in article
> <612dus$p5h$1@news.NetVision.net.il>...
> 
> Gene Sykes wrote in message <34334115.70D1@thegrid.net>...
> >gamer08 wrote:
> >>
> >> jgindc wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Mr POTato Head wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Jack <Brad-Pitt@yours.com> wrote in article
> <342ECE77.29E8@yours.com>...
> >> > > mSatan wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Marek Bi�kowski wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:43 -0500, mudshark
> <mudshark@feist.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >Oxen wrote:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
> >> > > > > >> <5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> >> > > > > >> > In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik
> Hansen"
> >> > > > > >> <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > >> > >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> >> > > > > >> > ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> > > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi"
> >> > > <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> >> > > > > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you
> want
> >> > > me to
> >> > > > > >> > >attach
> >> > > > > >> > >> >it
> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>to
> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and
> answer
> >> > > this
> >> > > > > >> > >thread.
> >> > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > >> >mee TOO
> >> > > > > >> > >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > >> >
> >> > > > > >> > >> mee too
> >> > > > > >> > >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >> > > > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > >> > >mee too
> >> > > > > >> > >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >> > > > > >> > >>>>
> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>mee too
> >> > > > > >> > >hboy23@hotmail.com
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > >> mee too
> >> > > > > >> oxen@hkstar.com
> >> > > > > >>mee too
> >> > > > > mee too
> >> > > > > gustaw@lodz.pdi.net
> >> > > >
> >> > > >   me too
> >> > > > kerberus@rocketmail.com
> >> > > me too jacobkjensen@hotmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > and me please - loaded69@hotmail.com
> >> > me too gamer08@ibm.net
> >> me to jgindc@ibm.net
> >mee too aerochris@hotmail.com
> me too sang-drax@rocketmail.com
> 
> ----------
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/04
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: >I asked him about the rumours of his child molestation but still haven't
: >gotten a reply.
: 
: Cool, Ricardo. I just asked you the same thing, and you refused to reply.

Why did you start these false rumors Peter?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
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On 4 Oct 1997 22:11:15 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: >I asked him about the rumours of his child molestation but still haven't
>: >gotten a reply.
>: 
>: Cool, Ricardo. I just asked you the same thing, and you refused to reply.
>
>Why did you start these false rumors Peter?

It's NOT a false rumor!  I can honestly testify that I know for a fact
that you have refused to reply!

When you accuse him of calling your refusal to reply a "false rumor",
you prove yourself to be a liar, liar.

So, *have* you stopped beating your "wife"?

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Or shut up, since your failure to reply must -- by your logic -- be
construed as a tacit admission, and we will have no discourse with an
admitted wife-beater.


-- 
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Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
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peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:

>In article <616eu3$scp$1@usenet11.supernews.com>,
>Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>>: >I asked him about the rumours of his child molestation but still haven't
>>: >gotten a reply.
>
>>: Cool, Ricardo. I just asked you the same thing, and you refused to reply.
>
>>Why did you start these false rumors Peter?

[...]

>Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
>CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
>least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?
>
>Are you really that full of spite and poison? Do you really want people to
>believe your slimy innuendos?

Ah, but "Ric" doesn't start any of the rumors. He isn't brave enough
to do that. He simply lets others start the rumors then insinuates
that the rumors are true in followups.

Ric is a follower. He lets others like Boursy, Grubor, and Vulis think
for him.

jd
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: Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
: CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
: least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?

I've started no rumours and certainly no false ones.  When Chris Lewis
spams me I believe that I am free to respond in email however rudely
that I like which include repeating rumours that others have publicly
stated about his child molestation.

Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.  Because the flurry of
these remarks all came from CAUCE members it seems that CAUCE either
supports anti-semitic viewpoints or for some reason attracts members who
hold anti-semitic values.  Despite the controversy created when this
information was made public, no spokesperson of CAUCE apologized or
condemned the CAUCE members who made these anti-semitic remarks and then
signed the CAUCE name to them.

I tell things how I see them.  I don't like Chris Lewis' spam and I don't
like CAUCE's violently anti-semitic comments.  You seem to be suggesting
that both are good because they are authorities and therefore I shouldn't
complain about them.  I consider your viewpoint to be akin to telling a
victim of rape that they should just sit back and enjoy it.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>I've started no rumours and certainly no false ones.  When Chris Lewis
>spams me I believe that I am free to respond in email however rudely
>that I like which include repeating rumours that others have publicly
>stated about his child molestation.

See, I told you so.

jd
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On 5 Oct 1997 17:26:13 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>: Just why *are* you trying to start all these false rumors about Chris Lewis,
>: CAUCE, and all the other people and institutions you've been smearing at
>: least a couple of times a week for the past year or so?
>
>I've started no rumours and certainly no false ones.  When Chris Lewis
>spams me I believe that I am free to respond in email however rudely
>that I like which include repeating rumours that others have publicly
>stated about his child molestation.

You still haven't answered whether or not you've stopped beating your
"wife".

>Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
>made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.  Because the flurry of
>these remarks all came from CAUCE members it seems that CAUCE either
>supports anti-semitic viewpoints or for some reason attracts members who
>hold anti-semitic values.  Despite the controversy created when this
>information was made public, no spokesperson of CAUCE apologized or
>condemned the CAUCE members who made these anti-semitic remarks and then
>signed the CAUCE name to them.

[censored]

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and accepting for argument's sake
your claim to being Jewish, I'll let you in on a Free Clue.  While
it's generally acknowledged that everyone (with the possible exception
of goober and speedbump) dislikes you, the fact is, they'd dislike you
just as much if you were *not* Jewish.

Despising a Jew is not equal to anti-semitism.  Only an asshole would
think that by claiming to be Jewish, he is somehow immune to being
called an asshole.

 
-- 
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In article <618ijl$rqe$1@usenet76.supernews.com> Ricardo Hector Gonzales,
ricardo@primus.paranoia.com writes:
>Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
>made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.

You're not Jewish.  You are a Kook Troll. And a fairly lame one at that!

Boursy and Grubor are at least capable of original thought.  Fucked up
origial thought, but original thought none the less.  Puts them light
years ahead of dopes like you.

Cipher

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From: "Rube Marquard" <rubemarquard@hotmail.com>
Subject: CAUCE Misrepresents USA Today
Date: 1997/10/05
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CAUCE has fallen so deeply under the influence of politicians that they seem to be their servant rather than their master; and distributes
indulgences according to their wishes.  However capricious,
they are seldom even aware of what they are about.

Look, how CAUCE's invert fingers beat the drum!

At their web-site, they state that USA Today endorses CAUCE.

USA Today wrote:
"But cybervigilantism is no answer; nor is the total ban on junk e-mail
some users want. That could give a green light to nations such as China that want to bar political speech on the Internet."

USA Today is opposed to junk e-mail, and to junk legislation that would "ban" all "junk e-mail".

CAUCE's unreasonable craving for immortal fame makes them change a number of well-known statements in their own favour.

CAUCE is pustular and malodorous, blue and rather weak, squat, protuberant and spindling.  It would be trivial and pointless to record their dealings.

Rube Marquard
 

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From: "  cjames@cec-services.com (The Rt Rev'd Dr Colin James III, KOTM)  "@uu.net ( Remove quotes )
Subject: Chris Lewis: the most unhappy person on usenet today (was Re: Phelps Website Caution)
Date: 1997/10/06
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DynaSoar@@YGRI.net (Doktor DynaSoar Iridium) posted with deletions:

>  ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) collapsed
wave functions that formed:
>  }
>  }The efforts of "net cops" to censor users through
>  }complaints when they don't like a particular opinion expressed by
an
>  }individual will always be opposed.
>  
>  Oh, that's bullshit and you know it REEEEEEEKEEEEEEEEEEE.
>  
>  Some assholes like you are too self-denigrating to ever want to
censor.
>  
>  We NEED kooks like you to provide the other end of the continuum.

No, demon, you are quite mistaken.  Look at what censor Chris Lewis
brags about on one of his mailing lists:

"Date:		Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:35:32 GMT
"From:  	Chris Lewis clewis@FERRET.OCUNIX.ON,CA
"Organization: 	eh?
"Subject:	Re: Huh!?! Colon Jerk the turd is gone?

"Roeland M.J. Meyer ... [whine references too numerious, and
embarassing to him, to cite hereare elided, but see site below]

"cec-services.com was thrown off easynet.com, and we had him thrown
off jymis.net on Sept 18/19.... More to come"

Nothing bad anyone could ever say about Chris Lewis would suprise or
shock me in the least.  The rumours of the demise of his soul are his
worst nightmare, just as are yours.  

The truth is still that Chris Lewis has trouble sleeping at night, is
barely holding on to a low paying job in Canada, is not respected by
his coworkers or peers in his business or "field", and is a dreadfully
unhappy person.  You can't get much worse than that.  

Lewis should deal with usenet the same way Roeland Meyer does now, by
TURNING IT OFF! (of which see Meyer's page at netscum below)

For his worst nightmare, see the latest on these netscum at
http://www.netscum.net



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From: godmom@NOSPAM.pagesz.net (Who wants to know?)
Subject: Re: CAUCE Misrepresents USA Today
Date: 1997/10/06
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Quoth Rube Marquard (rubemarquard@hotmail.com):

[ka-THUNK! goes the Axe]

Hello S.P.  Apparently the chat the Austin PD had with you didn't do much.
Oh well--another e-mail address goes into the .signature file!

-- 
"Tell me how you REALLY feel, Camille.  I sense you're holding something
back." --Blaine Pardoe
	"It's not everyday you meet a legend." -- Mike Stackpole
	Mike Enlow Parody Pages: http://www.pagesz.net/~godmom/
For a good time, e-mail neilcain@swbell.net, goosegoslin@hotmail.com, and
		     rubemarquard@hotmail.com



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From: "J. Weaver Jr." <jwjr@pobox.com>
Subject: TROLL: CAUCE Misrepresents USA Today
Date: 1997/10/06
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Rube Marquard wrote:
> 

<nothing of value>

...and isn't it great when most of the valueless crap runs off the right
side of the window, too?  -JW



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/06
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Ron Schwarz - see sig to reply (devnull@clubvb.com) wrote:
: 
: >Several CAUCE members, in both public USENET postings and private email,
: >made hateful and tasteless anti-semitic remarks.  Because the flurry of
: >these remarks all came from CAUCE members it seems that CAUCE either
: >supports anti-semitic viewpoints or for some reason attracts members who
: >hold anti-semitic values.  Despite the controversy created when this
: >information was made public, no spokesperson of CAUCE apologized or
: >condemned the CAUCE members who made these anti-semitic remarks and then
: >signed the CAUCE name to them.
: 
: Despising a Jew is not equal to anti-semitism.  

When you mention to a Jew that he is despised because he is a Jew then
that is anti-semitism.  Or as some CAUCE members have said, "[your type]
is unwanted."  It doesn't get much more blatent than that.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: Mike Segel <Postmaster@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Re: Chris or Christopher?
Date: 1997/10/07
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:


> I tell things how I see them.  I don't like Chris Lewis' spam and I don't
> like CAUCE's violently anti-semitic comments.  

Uhmm first Ricki, you never proved to me or to Ron that you
are *Jewish*. 

Second, how come no one else has had the pleasure of these
remarks? I mean if CAUCE was anti-semetic, I know that there
are at least 15 other readers hear who would have become
targets of said remarks. Myself one of them.

Get a life and go for some therapy, you need it.

-The Management.

-- 
#include <std_disclaimer.h>		/* Mike Segel (MS385) */
#include <No_Spam.h>
#ifdef OFFENDED_BY_CONTENT
The author takes no responsibility for this post. 
Any resemblence to a coherent  rational thought is purely coincidence.
-The Management.
#endif
*****************************
Due to AGIS's Refusal to Act Responsibly   
We are blocking  all of their domains at the packet level.
This block will exist until AGIS modifies their policies to 
conform to existing RFCs and net community standards.

We encourage all ISPs and domain holders to do the same.
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From: -usenet@usenet.net (-Stephen Boursy)
Subject: The Threat Made by Mr. Guilmette    Was: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo
Date: 1997/08/22
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 ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
 -
 -Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
 -: 
 -: I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
 -: like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
 -
 -Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
 -economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
 -your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

  He also pretty much sums up the cabal mentality over
in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  

                                 Steve
                                 news.admin.censorship

 -
 --Ric G.
 -Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
 -"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
 -sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: Prime@ni.net (Jeffrey (Prime) Smith)
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
Date: 1997/08/22
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On 20 Aug 1997 22:23:52 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
>: 
>: I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
>: like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
>
>Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
>economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
>your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

So the Baptist church, the Teamsters union, extreme vegans, and people
who refuse to purchase "goods" and "services" that are spammed to them
- and, for that manner, any business that slams its competition in its
advertising - are violating the law?

Does it ever BOTHER you that you are this inane? I'm serious here -
you seem to have some intellect, and it sure would bother me to
deliberately post stupidity that I KNOW will be immediately shot down
by people who stick to the facts. I mean, is your worldview really
this wierd, or are you just really desperate for attention?
****   ****    ****    ****
Fight the Woodside Literary Agency!
Support the Jayne Hitchcock HELP fund
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From: Abondanza <spammers@can.bite.me>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
Date: 1997/08/22
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.
> 

What a clueless twit.  If that was the case, then all boycotts
undertaken by groups against various businesses would be illegal, as
would be any strike, such as the recent Teamster's strike against UPS.



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From: gfrazier@efn.org (Gary Frazier)
Subject: Re: Sanford Wallace might sue TIAC
Date: 1997/08/22
Message-ID: <5tlln9$oi1@garcia.efn.org>#1/1
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In <5tgetl$3d5$1@usenet88.supernews.com> ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>A device which is exploding. (fps@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Wallace, that cheap punk, suing someone for an *honest* mistake when
>: his spamming has brought down entire ISPs?  

>You appear to be speculating and engaging in libel.  Are you trying to
>set yourself up for a lawsuit?

Yeah, no doubt filed by "Dr." Gubor, Attorney to Spammers and Kooks.

We're shaking in our boots, Ricardo.
-- 
                                               Gary
http://www.efn.org/~gfrazier
Fight Spam!  Join CAUCE!  http://www.cauce.org



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From: "Lana S. Mountford" <lsmntfrd@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
Date: 1997/08/23
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J. Lewis wrote:
> 
> Actually electronic retaliation against a spammer is ilegal, I will get
> the exact codes and post them here this weekend. but it is a federal
> crime.

What David described below was legal boycotting -- nothing was
mentioned regarding "electronic retaliation" at all.  

But now that you bring it up ...

Define "electronic retaliation."  If you mean that it's illegal
for me to send a complaint via electronic mail to the spammer's
ISP and/or upstream provider, I'd be VERY interested in knowing
what you're basing this legal opinion on.  If you mean 
instigating a denial of service attack on a known spammer, then
I agree - it definitely is illegal, and I know of no one of the
"regulars" here who actively or seriously advocate such action.

> also you people are here shooting down cyberpromo, well try and keep
> this in mind next time, first of all I hate spam as much as any one, but
> it's perfectly legal, and cyberpromo is doing us a favor, 

HUH??!?  You're going to have to explain this.  What kind of
favor are they doing by forging headers, relaying off open
SMTP servers, and taking down innocent bystanders?

> would you
> rather have spammers relaying off your servers and crashing your
> systems, 

Uhhh .. they're already doing this.  You're new here, aren't you?

> and theirs nothing you can do against them, theirs no laws
> again relay email from anyones system, infact it has never even made it
> to court. 

This is incorrect.  Check out CompuServe vs. Cyberpromo and
Concentric vs. Cyberpromo.

> so I say let the spammers eat up cyberpromo's resources and
> not everyone elses. 

That's the problem, though.  Spammer's DON'T use CP's resources.
They steal resources from everyone else, some more directly
than others.  And they do it under the CP/IEMMC/AGIS/etc. banner.

> at least cyberpromo can be blocked, you can't block
> everyone's system. 

I don't need to block "everyone's system."  I just want to
block those who spam me.

> the the INTERNET would be an INTERNAL NET, unable to
> email out of your own building.
> 
> so think about, it's really easy for some of you to shoot off at the
> mouth while sitting behind the computer screen, 

Well, *that* much is obvious from your post.

> but their are laws and
> unfortunatly right now they protect the spammers.. 

Oh, that could change.  I'd prefer to see the industry 
self-regulate, but it is clear that there are too many
crooks involved for that to have any real chance of
happening.  As much as I hate the idea, I'm afraid 
legislation may be the only answer.  I have no desire
to outlaw commercial email.  But I would like some kind
of legal recourse that will allow me to pursue the 
low-lifes who continue to fill my emailbox with garbage
after I've made it *abundantly* clear that such is not
welcome.

What have YOU done to help alleviate the problem?  Which 
of the current anti-spam bills under consideration have 
you written to your congress critters about?  Which do 
you support and why?  How many email filters have you
written?  Are you part of the solution? or... ?

> so have a coke and a
> smile and shut up for now.

No, I don't think I can do that.  See, I'm a strong believer
in trying to make things work better.  Spam clearly doesn't
help anyone.  (besides, I hate coke.)
> 
> David Cathey wrote:  << snip >>
> >         Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
> > to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
> > there shelves?
> >
> >         Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
> > boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?
> >
> >         Or how about those people who were put out of business
> > because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?
> >
> >         All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
> > you'd care tto mention?

  << snip >>

Lana



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On 21 Aug 1997 04:07:17 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>A device which is exploding. (fps@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Wallace, that cheap punk, suing someone for an *honest* mistake when
>: his spamming has brought down entire ISPs?  
>
>You appear to be speculating and engaging in libel.  Are you trying to
>set yourself up for a lawsuit?

Tell us what it's like.  Oh, I forgot.  The dog ate netscum.net's
homework.

 
-- 
Poor Timmie dead and gone, left me here to sing this song.
                (reply to usenet at clubvb.com)



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From: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk
Subject: Is All Of UseNet One Massive Spam Trap ?
Date: 1997/08/24
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In article <19970824063501.CAA14241@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
  cygnus5934@aol.com (Cygnus5934) wrote:

> Finally, I'm back on the internet.  It's been about four year since
> I was last activly brousing around on the newsgroups.  Last week I
> signed up and got online, I am so dissapointed in the evolution of
> the internet.

 Have no fear, intrepid cyber-surfer!  I too, at times, wonder for the
integrity  of the next evolution of INet.  Whilst I envision a diverse
Net-soup of meinds,  all working towards raising the creativity of the
interacting masses -via the  creation of rival Net religions and so
forth- what we instead appear to be  witnessing is the denegration of
this platform to nothing more than a 'dumping'	ground for the toxic
spillage of Spam Inc.

 Still, if what we envision, does not come to pass in the natural 'flow'
of  electrons, then we must strive to put things in order.  Indeed, we
must adapt  our prevailing concensus as to what is 'right' and 'wrong' to
_shape_ our  future perception of the world around us.

 For instance, If someone uses your white picket fence to scrawl 'wall
art' on,  some will automatically denounce it as tasteless grafitti and
attempt to paint  over it or even get a law passed to prevent the
furtherance of this particular	art form.  Others will except it for what
it is, an evolving social statement  of our times.  Perhaps even a thing
of great beauty and moral conscience.

 The only difference between the two views is that some people are
content  simply with defending the purity of the medium, whereas other
will allow the	medium to adapt to other influences and literally
'become' something altogether  new and exciting.

 The same is true for INet and UNet in particular.  The 'wall art' here
however,  is the work of the spammers/psiberartists/flamers, call them
what you will.	Some view them as are no more then 'vandals' intent on
futhering their  electronic egos for either notoriety or profit.  I
however, think that there  is great poetry in their work.

 Yes, even spam may be considered to be a psiber art-form.  If it
provokes a  reaction and gets people to 'think' about their continued
interaction with  it -allowing further art-forms, such as the 'spam
block' and spam-flame to  arise in its wake- then surely we should nurish
its formation.	Just as in  real life, where there exists polarities
against which we push, this platform  should also share in such extremes.
 If indeed, one wishes to view them as	such.

 In the end, it's all down to how one perceives the surrounding
electro-verse.









> It's a challenge to find anything intresting out there with all
> the spam crap.  This is the only place that is a refuge .



> 	*What can we do to change this? anything?
> 	*iIf anybody can give me tips to avoid the spam crap I'd
> appreciate it.

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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From: skaranyi@LOCALHOST.ruhr.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
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In <33FFB7F7.6594@nb.net> "J. Lewis" <jimlewis@telerama.lm.com> writes:

>Actually electronic retaliation against a spammer is ilegal, I will get
>the exact codes and post them here this weekend. but it is a federal
>crime.

StGB34 and BGH (25 Oct 1995, AZ I ZR 255/93) say it's _legal_, as
cyberpromo commits over 1 million dollars theft of service per day.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  Check _ALL_ headers before sending email.
... aber auf der Backbone-Fete werden aus Tradition neugierige
Maedels nachts dem Gott des Routings geopfert ...
  -- CMK explains advanced TCP/IP network administration



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Subject: Re: Is All Of UseNet One Massive Spam Trap ?
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amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote:
>
>
> I however, think that there  is great poetry in their work.
> 
>  Yes, even spam may be considered to be a psiber art-form.  If it
> provokes a  reaction and gets people to 'think' about their continued
> interaction with  it -allowing further art-forms, such as the 'spam
> block' and spam-flame to  arise in its wake- then surely we should nurish
> its formation.  Just as in  real life, where there exists polarities
> against which we push, this platform  should also share in such extremes.
>  If indeed, one wishes to view them as  such.

  You are insane, and you will be locked up.





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From: density4@spamblock.cts.com (Mystic Mulvie)
Subject: Re: Is All Of UseNet One Massive Spam Trap ?
Date: 1997/08/25
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amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote:

> Yes, even spam may be considered to be a psiber art-form.

I think it hath been far too long, my sweet, since thou hast allowed
thy Sigil of the Pink Titties to be Charged with the Wand Which
Bringeth Forth the Necklace of Pearls.

	(o) (o)	(<-- the Holy Sigil)

Let us therefore meditate upon these things.

-Mystic Mulvie
 "Mine inner eye hath pseen the gateway to the stars!"





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From: Arbiter of Smell <stinky@fbc.org>
Subject: Re: start on your journey
Date: 1997/08/25
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Start on yours.  And don't come back.



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From: Arbiter of Smell <stinky@fbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pam Lee's Secret Sex Video
Date: 1997/08/25
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askjfdlksj@lkdjfsldjfsad.com wrote:
> Hard Core Copyrighten version in existence.  See them bare their soles

Their soles?  What is this, for foot fetishists?



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From: Arbiter of Smell <stinky@fbc.org>
Subject: Re: make money fast
Date: 1997/08/25
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Subject:          make money fast
Date:             Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:15:41 GMT
From:             hshahtou@us.oracle.com (Hisham Shahtout)
Organization:     Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA
Newsgroups:       comp.lang.java.programmer

Hisham Shahtout wrote:
> 
> Make Big $$$'s as a Mailing List Developer.
> 
> I receive envelopes by mail with dollar bills in them. How is this
> possible? Take a minute and read this.  This is not a get rich quick
> scheme; it is your own home business developing mailing lists. It is

Bozo.



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Subject: Re: start on your journey
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Arbiter of Smell wrote:
> 
> Start on yours.  And don't come back.


Now that's just plain mean!


Wondering where all the witty and creative flames are hiding,
Chric



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Wolfgang Schelongowski wrote:

> In <33FFB7F7.6594@nb.net> "J. Lewis" <jimlewis@telerama.lm.com> writes:

> >Actually electronic retaliation against a spammer is ilegal, I will get
> >the exact codes and post them here this weekend. but it is a federal
> >crime.

> StGB34 and BGH (25 Oct 1995, AZ I ZR 255/93) say it's _legal_, as
> cyberpromo commits over 1 million dollars theft of service per day.

Well, gentlemen, what we have heah....is a fail-ure....to communicate!

What Spamford does is not a crime in the US.  It might be actionable
under civil statutes as fraud or theft or something like that.  Perhaps
a guilty verdict in a civil trial could lead to crminal charges.  I
don't know.  But right now it seems there are few people in the criminal
system looking to hang criminal charges on people doing what Spamford is
doing.

*I* think the answer is to criminalize forging of headers.  Make non-RFC
compliant headers for illegal purposes much like wearing a Police
uniform is.  That won't stop people from forging for anonimity.  But it
would make it real easy to go after Spamford for his theft of services
(relaying), theft of trademarks and sullying someone's name (forging a
source address from another company that gets tons of complaints to
handle).  You'd have to show intent but heck, just quote a SPAMmers
business plan.  There's the intent.  :)

-- 


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From: politas@dynamite.com.au (Politas)
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
Date: 1997/08/31
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On 26 Aug 1997 19:00:04 -0700, "D. C. & M. V. Sessions"
<sessions@primenet.com> wrote:

>Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
>> Listen up dumbo.  That's exactly what I'm talking about... blocking
>> Cyberpromo.  Only I hope to have MILLIONS of people using my software
>> and blocking all of his spew, you dig?
>> 
>> Without victims, Cyberpromo will be outta business in no time.
>
>The problem with this theory is that we're not CPs primary
>victims (sources of revenue) -- we're the product.  Perhaps
>more accurately, we're the HOPE of the product.  SW doesn't
>really care if ANY of his spew gets read; as long as there
>are suckers willing to fork over $$$ to have their 'message'
>delivered to 4,000,000,000 addresses he'll continue fat, dumb
>and happy.

Well, obviously he does care that his messages are read, otherwise, he
wouldn't go to all the trouble of continually changing his header
information.  If he truly didn't care, there wouldn't be any problems
with spam.  Everyone who wants to would filter it out.  Which, by my
reckoning, would be about 99.99%+ of his "audience".

	- Politas
-------------------------------------------------
 Michael Dowling    -    politas@dynamite.com.au       
 Web site:  http://www2.dynamite.com.au/politas/   
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From: wes@wesley.win.net
Subject: Barnes & Noble Employees Need A Union
Date: 1997/09/01
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URGENT!

Barnes & Noble Employees Need A Union:

http://www.win.net/~wesley/B&N.htm

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From: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Is All Of UseNet One Massive Spam Trap ?
Date: 1997/09/02
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In article <5tqe5m$1cb$1@gte1.gte.net>,
  movinghand@NOSPAMYOUBASTARDS.geocities.com wrote:

 Forgive me for not responding sooner, but I was spamming my brain with
 'reality'.  Still, now that I have an opportunity to answer my critics...

> amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote:

> > I however, think that there  is great poetry in their work.

> >  Yes, even spam may be considered to be a psiber art-form.  If it
> > provokes a  reaction and gets people to 'think' about their continued
> > interaction with  it -allowing further art-forms, such as the 'spam
> > block' and spam-flame to  arise in its wake- then surely we should nurish
> > its formation.  Just as in  real life, where there exists polarities
> > against which we push, this platform  should also share in such extremes.
> >  If indeed, one wishes to view them as  such.

>   You are insane, and you will be locked up.

 Yes.  Those who are creative enough to form alternate theories for the
future	evolution of this platform, are often classed as 'kooks' amd
'subversives'  by the more unenlightened masses.

 Time and again, we hear the same old views being wheeled out for
'sanitised'  communication between individuals.  If it's not another
censorship bill being  passed through government channels, then it's the
constant bickering amongst  this mediums' inhabitants as to 'what belongs
where' etc.

                   As they say..."divide and conquer".

 For those however, who are attuned to the potential of this platform for
the  creation of a social enclave, divorced from the geographical and
political  considerations of everyday existence; a society in which
formal concepts  of identity and status are erradicated so that what
remains is the purity  of group-meta-conscience and the subsequent
explosion in creativity which  this entails, then for _those_ I shall
outline my own brand of visionary  idealism, in the coming months.

 But for now, let me digress a little into the topic of conversation,
which  is at present before us...

 I believe if people would actually pay more attention to the thread
titles	and what the originating post contains; if they were more
consciously aware  of what they are reading and not simply plough through
the articles on UNet  like factory robots, there may be as yet a glimmer
of hope for the future of  humanity upon this platform.

 Please note that the title contains a distinct irony.	If we are to view
UNet  as an iscolated discussion area, devoid of the
flamers/cascaders/web-trancers/  ad infinitum, then we are condeming it
as the biggest 'Spam Trap' to have  ever existed.  If we are merely
passive residents of this electronic Universe  and are not actively
encouring its evolution to be 'far more than the sum of  its parts' then
we rob ourselves of our very humanity.

                            Mulvie

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From: mithril@iafrica.com (Grantland)
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amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote:

>                            Mulvie

  Aaah Mulvie you are just too charmingly transparent.  "Life, Death
or Incarceration!"  Yea.  The truth will out.
(eventually) Count on it!

  Grantland
.
ps I love my wife.
.
.

..
m



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In <873227174.8843@dejanews.com>,
amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote:
> I believe if people would actually pay more attention to the thread
>titles	and what the originating post contains; if they were more
>consciously aware  of what they are reading and not simply plough through
>the articles on UNet  like factory robots, there may be as yet a glimmer
>of hope for the future of  humanity upon this platform.

You're on crack.

The potential for abuse on Usenet is unlimited.  The penalties for
abuse are trifles.

We're all fucked.  There's no light anywhere.  Only the spam, the
hideous hideous spam...
--
                              The Prince of Lies
"Don't think 'cause I understand    I care...
   Don't think 'cause I'm talkin'      We're friends..."



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From: Sam Spade <spade@fbc.org>
Subject: Re: free money
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Freed from whom, I wonder?

netads@wdi.co.uk wrote:
 > 
 > I finally decided to read one of these articles in an internet
newsgroup
 > > > > > > describing how to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a
$5,00
 > > > > > > investment. Of course I thought this was ridiculous, or
some type of
 > > > > > > pyramid. I talked it over with my family, an attorney and
they all
  [and so forth]



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From: petejanREMOVEthis@spamBLOCKc-zone.net
Subject: obsessive net abuse of alt.astrology by rick ellis
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Pete Stapleton commens: this is the fourth anti astrology
tirade posted by rick ellis today on alt.astrology.  he/she
is constantly posting personal attack posts on alt.astrology.
Never any astrology.  When called upon to stop wasting
alt.astrolgy bandwidth, he/she insists she has the right
to abuse the net with impunity.  As follows:


ellis@ftel.net (Rick Ellis) wrote:

>In article <340DAB58.1796E1CF@aznet.net>,
>Edmond Wollmann  <wollmann@aznet.net> wrote:
>
>>It does in fact work.
>
>Controled studies show otherwise.
>
>>Yoiu have
>>been here four years posting off topic Jim,
>
>Criticisms are NOT off topic despite your FAQ.  You continuing
>protest of people posting articles critcal of astrology can
>only lead one to believe you have a severe problem with 
>security in your own beliefs or are worried about criticism 
>affecting you ability to earn a living by sell astrology 
>products (as seen on your web pages).




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Subject: UCE at my nym
Date: 1997/09/06
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Has anyone else recived UCE at their nym?. AFAIK I haven't posted 
to a newsgroup with this nym

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In article <5v13ki$6fn$2@usenet87.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>They want to make enemies out
>of those of us who are solving the problem and they attempt to
>stop our progress.

I would be delighted to hear of any work you are doing in the area of
net-abuse. Many people have asked you quite politely for information
about this work you speak of, but apparently you're too shy to mention
just what it is. Don't let a few harsh words keep you from expressing
yourself, we're all agog with anticipation.
-- 

This is your brain.
+h15 1Z J00R BR/\1N oN +h3 IN+3RN3T!
Any questions?



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In <5v13ki$6fn$2@usenet87.supernews.com>, on 09/08/97 
   at 02:55 PM, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector
Gonzales) said:

> and use other childish techniques instead of discussing the
> issues.

You mean like calling their opponents Antisemites with no
apparent basis in fact, instead of discussing the issues? Gee, I
wonder whom I saw doing that, quite recently? </sarcasm>


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In article <5v4a2a$997$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?

>Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>quite happy with its performance.

Liar. That's two of your messages in a row I've found that are lies.
-- 

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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
>: On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:33:42 GMT, jmanson@nospam.visi.com (Jim Manson) wrote:
>: >peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:
>: >
>: >Come now- how could you forget the autoretrocyberwhatchamacallitbot?
>: >(still in beta testing per Ric for the last 1+years or so)
>: 
>: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
>
>Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>quite happy with its performance.

All 1.34 of them......


Let's see- it's been...what...about a year since we were told that it
would be out in no time and we would see it in it's glory........

1 year....and counting......



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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
>: On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:33:42 GMT, jmanson@nospam.visi.com (Jim Manson) wrote:
>: >peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:
>: >
>: >Come now- how could you forget the autoretrocyberwhatchamacallitbot?
>: >(still in beta testing per Ric for the last 1+years or so)
>: 
>: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
>
>Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>quite happy with its performance.

All 1.34 of them......


Let's see- it's been...what...about a year since we were told that it
would be out in no time and we would see it in it's glory........

1 year....and counting......
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: In article <5v4a2a$997$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
: 
: >Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
: >quite happy with its performance.
: 
: Liar. That's two of your messages in a row I've found that are lies.

Actually you're the liar here Peter.  Prove that a substantial number
of the user base is not happy with the performance of the 
autocyberretromoderation bot.  I think you're just making stuff up 
again because you deny reality.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 9-Sep-97 REPOST: Re: The
goal of the.. by Ricardo H. Gonzales@prim 

> : 
> : Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
> 
> Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
> quite happy with its performance.

Damn!--here's yet another "select user base" i'm not a member of. Who
"selects" for these "select" user bases? How do i get in? Where do i
apply? 

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  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
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In article <5v51ut$14d$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: In article <5v4a2a$997$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: >: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?

>: >Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>: >quite happy with its performance.

>: Liar. That's two of your messages in a row I've found that are lies.

>Actually you're the liar here Peter.  Prove that a substantial number
>of the user base is not happy with the performance of the 
>autocyberretromoderation bot.

I didn't claim that "a substantial number of the user base is not happy
with the performance of the autocyberretromoderation bot." but rather
"the autocyberretromoderation bot is a figment of your imagination".

If it had been distributed to a select user base, then such a claim would be
meaningful. Since it doesn't exist, any claims about its imaginary user base
are simply lies.
-- 

This is your brain.
+h15 1Z J00R BR/\1N oN +h3 IN+3RN3T!
Any questions?



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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 9-Sep-97 REPOST: Re: The
goal of the.. by Ricardo H. Gonzales@prim 

> : 
> : Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
> 
> Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
> quite happy with its performance.

Damn!--here's yet another "select user base" i'm not a member of. Who
"selects" for these "select" user bases? How do i get in? Where do i
apply? 

  ---------
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  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
  wilkes@eng.hss.cmu.edu
  http://english-server.hss.cmu.edu/home/wilkes/ 
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In article <5v51ut$14d$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: In article <5v4a2a$997$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: >: Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?

>: >Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>: >quite happy with its performance.

>: Liar. That's two of your messages in a row I've found that are lies.

>Actually you're the liar here Peter.  Prove that a substantial number
>of the user base is not happy with the performance of the 
>autocyberretromoderation bot.

I didn't claim that "a substantial number of the user base is not happy
with the performance of the autocyberretromoderation bot." but rather
"the autocyberretromoderation bot is a figment of your imagination".

If it had been distributed to a select user base, then such a claim would be
meaningful. Since it doesn't exist, any claims about its imaginary user base
are simply lies.
-- 

This is your brain.
+h15 1Z J00R BR/\1N oN +h3 IN+3RN3T!
Any questions?
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From: "Oh So Happy!" <ohsohappy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The goal of the news.admin.net-abuse groups
Date: 1997/09/11
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Jim Manson <jmanson@nospam.visi.com> wrote in article
<3421dccc.4308676@news.visi.com>...

<snip>
> Let's see- it's been...what...about a year since we were told that it
> would be out in no time and we would see it in it's glory........
> 
> 1 year....and counting......

The autogruboorsycyberfreedomshitesretroyaddayaddayaddamoderationkookbot does
too exist!

The only reason nobody has seen it for over a year is that the only copy was
stolen by the Abominable Snowman. He was last seen carrying it off riding on
the back of Nessie, disappearing into the mists of Loch Ness. The brave
warriors of the Kook Kabal did everything in their power to stop him (they
ran along the shoreline of the loch, stamping their little feet and shaking
their puny fists, and shouted "Cancel Forger!" and "Pedophile!" at the top of
their lungs) but all to no avail. And of course there was no backup copy,
because all the backup tapes had been destroyed weeks earlier by a cunning
hacker, with nobody noticing anything. No wonder Li'l Ricky seems so grumpy.

--
I'm Oh So Happy! <OhSoHappy@hotmail.com>
You're never alone with voices in your head
 



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In article <wo5mzOu00iVD0AvZw0@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes  <gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 9-Sep-97 REPOST: Re: The
>goal of the.. by Ricardo H. Gonzales@prim 
>
>> : 
>> : Isn't it at the same beta level as the Psychic Newsreader?
>> 
>> Actually it's been distributed to a select user base who seem to be
>> quite happy with its performance.
>
>Damn!--here's yet another "select user base" i'm not a member of. Who
>"selects" for these "select" user bases? How do i get in? Where do i
>apply? 

Well I was asked but was turned down by the autoregistration
system. Reasons given by the registration bot included:

309 - "I do not dribble" checked.
310 - "I do not see conspiracies around every corner" checked.
312 - "I think censoring certain people is a good idea" checked.
315 - "I do not smoke pot" checked.
320 - "I am not Elvis" checked.
335 - Mental activity registers.
336 - No psychaitric illness in family history.
337 - Owning "0" rifles and living near "0" towers unacceptable input.

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: mkrisko@sandstone.bw.edu (Marie R Krisko)
Subject: EXGANGENET (en.com) multiple spams
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These guys are sending multiple spams with obscenities in them. Their provider thinks its okay, I guess.
Please someone add them to the list.


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"J. White" <whitetek@hooked.net> wrote:

>petejanREMOVEthis@spamBLOCKc-zone.net wrote:
> 
>> Pete comments: below is my standard request of anyone who
>> sends me email.  *I have yet to send anyone an email.* <snippidy snip>
>
>Huh?  What is this thing I still have in my mailbox? What ho! An email
>from Pete Stapleton!  How can this be? 
>
>-- 
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>Lowly Chartist         /\  /  \/
>Technical Heretic     /  \/
>http://www.hooked.net/users/whitetek
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From: Gilbert Vanburen Wilkes <gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/16
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Excerpts from netnews.news.admin.censorship: 16-Sep-97 Re: Dartmouth.edu
supports .. by Ricardo H. Gonzales@prim 

> you don't like what other people say, don't listen.  Nothing but
> your own pathology keeps you in need of unwanted communication.

Wrong again, Ricardo. My need for unwanted communications is *also* due
to my need to feel morally superior to others, not to mention my
penchant for voyeurism. 

  ---------
  g.v.w. iv 
  gvw+@andrew.cmu.edu
  wilkes@eng.hss.cmu.edu
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From: "Dildy Foo" <dildyfoo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/16
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You are so right.  The ass heads at http://www.pair.com are filtering spam
for there customers.  Boycott them and tell their president kevin martin at
sigma@pair.com
-- 
Dildy Foo
dildyfoo@hotmail.com
"Shut up" - Rush Limbaugh to me on his program
Used as the promo thingy on my local radio station
"You have some very serious problems" - Carolyn Holt while refusing to let
me on with Dr. Laura

Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote in article
<5vm9jk$eho$1@usenet88.supernews.com>...
> Jeffery J. Leader (JeffLeader@WorldNet.att.net) wrote:
> : gandalf@digital.net wrote:
> : >I interpret it as saying that Dartmouth supports 
> : >slander as a "protected" part of the constitution.  Gee, maybe they 
> : >should get someone educated to enlighten them.
> : 
> : Yes, Dartmouth's computing people are mighty uninformed about the
> : first amendment which they like to quote.  An actual ISP would have
> : restrcited such a user.  He manufactures quotes which he attributes to
> : others.
> : 
> : They filter these messages out so they don't have to see them.  They
> : have a filter just to avoid hearing complaints about this bonehead.
> 
> Real ISPs don't get into content control.  It's not only unwanted by
> many users, it also gets them into serious legal problemss where they
> then become responsible for proper filtering of ALL messages.  Most 
> ISPs take a hands off approach and let users say what they will.  If
> you don't like what other people say, don't listen.  Nothing but
> your own pathology keeps you in need of unwanted communication.
> 
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is
the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
> 



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From: see@sig.to.reply (Ron Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/16
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On 16 Sep 1997 15:45:56 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

[censored]

>Real ISPs don't get into content control.  It's not only unwanted by
>many users, it also gets them into serious legal problemss where they
>then become responsible for proper filtering of ALL messages.  Most 
>ISPs take a hands off approach and let users say what they will.  If
>you don't like what other people say, don't listen.  Nothing but
>your own pathology keeps you in need of unwanted communication.

So when we all show up inside your refrigerator box at three AM and
serenade you with songs parodying your idiocy, you can simply choose
to not listen to us.

I see.


-- 
Poor Timmie dead and gone, left me here to sing this song.
                (reply to censor at clubvb.com)



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From: michaels@daddy-longlegs.aracnet.com (Michael Schrimshaw)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
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On 16 Sep 1997 20:38:43 GMT, Dildy Foo <dildyfoo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You are so right.  The ass heads at http://www.pair.com are filtering spam
>for there customers.  Boycott them and tell their president kevin martin at
>sigma@pair.com

What's wrong with filtering out spam?  As a service provider, I don't
want that *crap* coming in and taking up _our_ disk space.  I don't
want to waste _our_ bandwidth accepting it or complaining about it.

Even better is that our users *asked* us to do it.  Happily, we obliged
them.  In 6 months of regular despamming and IP filtering, we've not
received _any_ complaints.

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Schrimshaw, BOFH|			    |
Aracnet Systems Engineer|finger for PGP public key  |
			|			    |
-----------------------------------------------------  
HELO my name is sendmail.cf.  You SIGKILLed my shell.  Prepare to vi.

>-- 
>Dildy Foo
>dildyfoo@hotmail.com
>"Shut up" - Rush Limbaugh to me on his program
>Used as the promo thingy on my local radio station
>"You have some very serious problems" - Carolyn Holt while refusing to let
>me on with Dr. Laura




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Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/18
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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:54:10 -0500, Dan Sterner <danstern@flash.net> wrote:
>Michael Schrimshaw wrote:
>> 
>> On 16 Sep 1997 20:38:43 GMT, Dildy Foo <dildyfoo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >You are so right.  The ass heads at http://www.pair.com are filtering spam
>> >for there customers.  Boycott them and tell their president kevin martin at
>> >sigma@pair.com
>> 
>> What's wrong with filtering out spam?  As a service provider, I don't
>> want that *crap* coming in and taking up _our_ disk space.  I don't
>> want to waste _our_ bandwidth accepting it or complaining about it.
>> 
>> Even better is that our users *asked* us to do it.  Happily, we obliged
>> them.  In 6 months of regular despamming and IP filtering, we've not
>> received _any_ complaints.
>
>There's nothing at all wrong with it, the guy who said that is just a
>troll. Dildy has been busy handing out doses of nonsense since about the
>13'th or so. Just ignore him, he'll find something else to do.

I figured it was just a troll.  I'm trying my damndest to get on
netscum.net, and I figure that publicy announcing my Cabalist(tinc)
despamming measures might get me one.


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           I don't speak for Aracnet.  	            |
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Subject: Re: Anyone else working with Agis.net ?
Date: 1997/09/18
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(Some NG's de-Boursified)

Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote in article
<5vntnr$6cn$1@usenet87.supernews.com>...
> 
> Mike Golobay (mgol@pobox.com) wrote:
> : 
> : I just sent Agis.net an invoice for $23,000 USD for fees for
> : processing and storage of unsolicited commercial email.  This is the
> : third bill they've been sent and their account is now overdue.  I will
> : be selling the uncollected balance to an independent collection agency
> : as of October first.
> 
> I sent them a bill for $1,000,000,000,000 for emailing me unsolicted
> faxes.

Oh, Ricky, your so.... dumb. How did AGIS manage to E-mail you a
fax?Typical GruBorg lickspittle. And such an OUTRAGEOUS amount? f you're
going to lie, little Ricky, at least make is believeable.

 > I figure if they pay a few of those bills then I can retire.

You just said that you send "A" bill, not "several" bills. Much like Mike
Myers in "Wayne's World"- I don't even have "a" gun, much less many guns,
necessitating the use for a gun rack! but then again, you're just a Kook
and reality warps in and out for you as easily as I change my underwear.

> I am now considering sending similar bills to every company I ever
> encounter in hopes that I can get free money.

Now I know you're a Kook.

> I've heard that some system administrators selectively consider their
email >systems to be public when they received messages they want and
private when >they receive messages they don't like.

It's more like "private from inception of that address". The issue here is
that control of those systems are being forcibly taken away from their
rightful and lawful owners and used illegally by someone else. I believe
that is called.... theft, but that was discussed in an earlier thread.

> That's a bogus billing model though and people like Mr. Golobay are being
>dishonest.

If it's dishonest, and Mr. Golobay carries through with his plan, then he
will lose and have to pay court fees. Dimes to dollars, though, that he
would win, but not for what he's asking. AGIS, IEMMC, and the rest of the
Spam-o Conspiracy have demonstrated time and again their unwillingness to
cooperate with the public, to the point of outright lying in the face of
the FTC. If only spammers stuck to their word, maybe our arguements
wouldn't carry half the weight they do, but as it stands, the evidence is
piling up and I can hear the death knell of Cyberpromo, IEMMC and a large
chunk of AGIS.
	The current trend right now seems to be that people are "mad as hell and
ain't going to take it anymore". MMF'ers are getting arrested. Lipsitz was
sued- successfully. Jack Slaton and his cronies are pointing fingers at
each other while scrambling to be first to turn State's evidence. CAUCE is
a gathering storm. All that is left to be done is the gates to be thrown
open and the rightful wrath of wronged users everywhere will be let loose.
	Sanford's death grip on the media has been broken, and more journalists
are reporting the facts- not Wallace's smoke and mirrors. Face it Rick,
you're just a Gilligan to GruBorg's Kooky Skipper.

> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

Who the hell does this goober think he is!?

> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is
the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6

"Before I go, I just want to spit in your face. Just a little spittle...."
					Baron Vladimir Harkonnen

-- 
Blue List/HipCrime kills- 6
Spammer kills- 31
"It's not the years, it's the mileage"
                             - Indiana Jones



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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/18
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In article <5vsg4i$o2g$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>If I were operating an ISP and you were a customer, I would place no
>restrictions on your speech through my services.  You could post anything
>you wanted to about me or my company.  You could post illegal information.
>You could threaten to murder government officials.

I don't notice you saying "you could post material that directly prevents
me or another ISP from providing service to my customers, regardless of
the content of the material". Was that an accident?

>Free speech should not be additionally limited because
>some people find some of the results of free speech objectionable.

Very good. So you don't approve of people using harassment and threats to
prevent people from speaking their mind?
-- 
This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document



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From: "Mike C." <mikesea2@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/19
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:

>
>
> My point is that there's no need for ISPs to become censors and no need
> to create new laws supporting censorship.  Existing laws cover the
> Internet fine.  Free speech should not be additionally limited because
> some people find some of the results of free speech objectionable.

Free Speech is not decided by the ISP's... ISP's are "data movers" ... that is
their job.  They don't get to decide what the data is... they just move it
around from place to place.  There are other people in the world that decide if
the data is within the bounds of protected speech (communication).  ISP's are
not in the position to decide points of law or the limits placed on the rights
of people.

   --
                       Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
                       E-Mail at: mailto:mikesea2@gte.net
                   Site is at: http://home1.gte.net/mikesea2/






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From: tam@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/19
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In article <5vsg4i$o2g$1@e3000.supernews.com>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:

>My point is that there's no need for ISPs to become censors and no need
>to create new laws supporting censorship.  Existing laws cover the
>Internet fine.  Free speech should not be additionally limited because

More or less.  US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) needs to be clearly
amended to apply to UCE, though.  It's a bit of a grey area now.  I suppose
a decision supporting the applicability if the code to UCE would suffice,
but it would be nice to have any ambiguity in the code amended.

Tim

-- 
Tim Melton                    tam@questconsult.com
Quest Consultants Inc.        http://www.questconsult.com/~tam
P.O. Box 721387               (405) 329-7475
Norman, Ok 73070-8069         Fax: (405) 329-7734



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From: Mike Segel <Postmaster@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Re: Dartmouth.edu supports slander as a "First Amendment Right"
Date: 1997/09/19
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Mike C. wrote:
> 
> Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > My point is that there's no need for ISPs to become censors and no need
> > to create new laws supporting censorship.  Existing laws cover the
> > Internet fine.  Free speech should not be additionally limited because
> > some people find some of the results of free speech objectionable.
> 
> Free Speech is not decided by the ISP's... ISP's are "data movers" ... that is
> their job.  They don't get to decide what the data is... they just move it
> around from place to place.  There are other people in the world that decide if
> the data is within the bounds of protected speech (communication).  ISP's are
> not in the position to decide points of law or the limits placed on the rights
> of people.
> 
Uhmm this isn't totally true.
An ISP is responsible for his/her users on the net.
When they abuse the net, the ISP is responsible in handling 
the matter.

So ineffect, the ISP is a censor after the fact.
-Mikey
-- 
#include <std_disclaimer.h>		/* Mike Segel (MS385) */
#include <No_Spam.h>
#ifdef OFFENDED_BY_CONTENT
The author takes no responsibility for this post. 
Any resemblence to a coherent  rational thought is purely coincidence.
-The Management.
#endif
*****************************
Due to AGIS's Refusal to Act Responsibly   
We are blocking  all of their domains at the packet level.
This block will exist until AGIS modifies their policies to 
conform to existing RFCs and net community standards.

We encourage all ISPs and domain holders to do the same.
*****************************



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: To fellow news-admins: Please stop creating binary news groups and start deleting them
Date: 1997/09/22
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: AOL went from an a full
: service $19.95 ISP for me to a $4.95 mailbox and web page host because
: they didn't honor reputable cancels rendering their already crappy
: reader unusable.

How is anyone to know which cancels are reputable when anyone can
forge a cancel for any message and most cancels are for content based
reasons?  It would take far too much time to track down which cancels
were sent by the original message's author and which were sent by
net-cops trying to remove articles they don't like.  Therefore most
ISPs ignore cancel messages altogether.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: FLASH.NET IS A NEW ROGUE SPAMMING SITE!!!
Date: 1997/09/22
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Keep an eye on FLASH.NET.  A user named Pat using the account
exconnect@flash.net recently spammed at least one newsgroup.  It's
not yet clear if flash.net is a "Rogue Site" (as defined by the FAQ)
but everyone should keep an eye out in case future behaviour proves
this possibility.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: rabbitt@ccnet.com (Ray Abbitt)
Subject: Re: To fellow news-admins: Please stop creating binary news groups and start deleting them
Date: 1997/09/23
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In article <3426f4ee.4514092@news.microserve.net>,
Dave Ratcliffe <dave@frackit.com> wrote:
>In <604mtb$h9t$1@usenet88.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
>(Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>-: AOL went from an a full
>-: service $19.95 ISP for me to a $4.95 mailbox and web page host because
>-: they didn't honor reputable cancels rendering their already crappy
>-: reader unusable.
>-
>-How is anyone to know which cancels are reputable when anyone can
>-forge a cancel for any message and most cancels are for content based
>-reasons?  It would take far too much time to track down which cancels
>-were sent by the original message's author and which were sent by
>-net-cops trying to remove articles they don't like.  Therefore most
>-ISPs ignore cancel messages altogether.
>
>Please cite the study and/or research on which you base this claim. 
>
He just forgot to mention that it was for very small values of most.

-ray



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Net Terrorism   Was: UUNet UDP got their attention
Date: 1997/08/08
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Charles Trew (db559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: >  -Terrorism does tend to attract attention, so you guys are using a
: >  -historically successful technique to support your pathological motives.
: >  -If that's all you were looking for then congratulations.  But don't
: >  -be too surprised when people who dislike your techniques and politics
: >  -retaliate with terrorism of their own.
: 
:         What are they going to do, send more spam?

It's only a matter of time before someone fed up with net.scum behavior
intiates physical violence against them.  Most people dislike being the
victims of your terrorism and a few of those will take matters into
their own hands at your expense.  It's unfortunate that things work that
way, but when there are no other alternatives, violence becomes the
last possible option for some people.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu (Kirsten Chevalier)
Subject: Re: Net Terrorism   Was: UUNet UDP got their attention
Date: 1997/08/09
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*sneck*

mikejm@westworld.com wrote:
: I'm not afraid of your threats, pussy.

"Pussy"? Not good enough. I'd be more afraid of threats from most cats I know
than from some net.kook.
kirsten


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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Hannigan attempts anti-Semitic attack
Date: 1997/08/10
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
: |> : Ricardo doesn't hate Gentiles. He just hates.  'Kook' is accurate, though.
: |> 
: |> I don't hate anyone or anything.  I demand that you retract your statement.
: |> It appears that all you want to do is label people as 'kooks' because you
: |> don't want to discuss issues maturely or rationally.
: 
: And now, you *do* hate people. You're a racist. You've said so
: yourself. 
: 
: Why are you a racist Rico?
 
I am not a racist and I don't hate Gentiles.  I just happen to think
that Jews have better moral traditions and upbringings.  I also don't
consider this a racial issue - it is a religious and community issue.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: username@iaccess.com.au (Real Name)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen" <hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
>
>
>
>Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" <finzi@bigfoot.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
>attach
>> >it
>> >>>to
>> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
>thread.
>> >
>> >mee TOO
>> >finzi@bigfoot.com
>> >
>> >
>> mee too
>> damian@asa-net.co.uk
>>
>mee too
>san_ger@hotmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>>mee too
>hboy23@hotmail.com



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me too



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Hannigan the stalker
Date: 1997/08/10
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
: |> be correct in assuming its window curtains may not have been opened
: |> for years?  Does the place even have a garage?
: 
: I haven't noticed a garage. You want me to take some pictures?
 
I'm not sure how your stalking will help stop net abuse.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Net Terrorism Was: UUNet UDP got their attention
Date: 1997/08/10
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Doktor DynaSoar Iridium wrote:
> 
> ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) collapsed wave functions that formed:
> }
> }It's only a matter of time before someone fed up with net.scum behavior
> }intiates physical violence against them.  Most people dislike being the
> }victims of your terrorism and a few of those will take matters into
> }their own hands at your expense.  It's unfortunate that things work that
> }way, but when there are no other alternatives, violence becomes the
> }last possible option for some people.
> 
> You're very good at making complete horse shit sound quite rational.
> 
> If you had even the faintest glimmer of a hope to ever pretend to learn
> anything about crossover reactions between modalities, it'd be best
> spent trying to light a fire under the concept of translational
> resistance.
> 
> No, I'm not doing your library work for you. I've done my own, and now
> it's your turn. Try looking at DoD funded research.

" ... pearls before swine ... "

Patricia

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Real Name <username@iaccess.com.au> wrote in article
<5sk4h4$8un@sleipnir.iaccess.com.au>...
> In article <01bca1e6$8f952ec0$26a8efc2@default>, "Henrik Hansen"
<hhansen@post4.tele.dk> says:
> >
> >
> >
> >Damian <damian@asa-net.co.uk> skrev i artiklen
> ><33e6f1dd.139709234@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:59:34 +0200, "Daniele Finzi" <finzi@bigfoot.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >>>> > > >>>> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> >attach
> >> >it
> >> >>>to
> >> >>>> > > >>>> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> >thread.
> >> >
> >> >mee TOO
> >> >finzi@bigfoot.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> mee too
> >> damian@asa-net.co.uk
> >>
> >mee too
> >san_ger@hotmail.com
> >>>> 
> >>>>>mee too
> >hboy23@hotmail.com
> 
mee too
oxen@hkstar.com




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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
: Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
: : |> be correct in assuming its window curtains may not have been opened
: : |> for years?  Does the place even have a garage?
: : 
: : I haven't noticed a garage. You want me to take some pictures?
:  
: I'm not sure how your stalking will help stop net abuse.

Now, now Ricky. For all you know, Marty might be looking into real estate
as an investment. The only thing better than owning a rental property 
occupied by Stephe would be what ? Owning one that is not. <snicker>
-- 
Further, you make grammar errors, show mistakes in word choice, and
commit logical fallacies regularly.  I don't.  On top of all that, you like
a shithouse on fire.

wilhelp@ix.netcom.com (Bill Palmer) <5o1nmn$4qc@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>



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From: hannigan@tiac.net (Martin Hannigan)
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In article <hausmannEEqEzI.615@netcom.com>, hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) writes:
|> Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
|> : Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
|> : : |> be correct in assuming its window curtains may not have been opened
|> : : |> for years?  Does the place even have a garage?
|> : : 
|> : : I haven't noticed a garage. You want me to take some pictures?
|> :  
|> : I'm not sure how your stalking will help stop net abuse.
|> 
|> Now, now Ricky. For all you know, Marty might be looking into real estate
|> as an investment. The only thing better than owning a rental property 
|> occupied by Stephe would be what ? Owning one that is not. <snicker>

Hey how can I help it? Bump's house is *on my route* to work. I know
where he lives because I knew he lived in Cambridge, MA and he made
a death threat against me and Barry Shein:

	http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/bousry.html

So it goes. If I were truly a *stalker*, I'd have stopped in 
for coffee with da bump. :-)

-- 
Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net)       Voice: 617-932-2000
TIAC - Network Operations   		  Semper Cabalis
Network Engineer                          www.tiac.net



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Subject: Re: Ricardo GONAZALEZ: RACIST
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In article <5sldc5$rub$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
|> Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:

[ snip ]

|> I'm not sure how your stalking will help stop net abuse.

I'll take a pic of someones garage anyday over being a racist
like you. 

Search Dejanews for racist +Ricardo and see what I mean.

Poor Rico the Racist.


-- 
Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net)       Voice: 617-932-2000
TIAC - Network Operations   		  Semper Cabalis
Network Engineer                          www.tiac.net



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On 11 Aug 1997 04:15:18 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Rococo
Hectare Gonadus) wrote:

>Jim Manson (jmanson@nospam.visi.com) wrote:

[...]

>: Still waiting for you to point out where you made the public apology
>: to me Ric..... just need a message ID so I can check on Dejanews...
>: or were you merely lying again?
> 
>As you know, Dejanews doesn't archive everything and isn't an authoritative
>reference.  My apology basically stated that I was sorry that you took 
>offense to references to Charles Manson and that I would refrain from
>future references of that sort.  That's what I've done but you still seem
>fixated on some kind of authoritarian bullshit.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exactly what was that you were saying about being "fixated on some
kind of authoritarian bullshit", Rickie?


-- 
Poor Timmie dead and gone, left me here to sing this song.
                (reply to rs at clubvb.com)



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: FAQ: "Rogue Sites" on the Internet
Date: 1997/08/11
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: In article <33EE6E6C.BCD94306@jetcafe.org>,
: Dave Hayes  <dave@jetcafe.org> wrote:
: >He's accusing Ricardo of deception and double standards. Is that not an attack?
: 
: It's an attack on his behaviour, not on his person.
:
: Therefore it's not a personal attack.

Wrong.  It's an attack because it's totally fictional.  You first attribute
fictional behaviour and then claim that because of the supposed behavior,
that person is a [x].

: You, for example, generally attack people's actions. Ricardo attacks people
: themselves... a classic recent example was his sudden declaration that he
: was a Jew and the ensuing attacks on people for being "goyim".

I did not attack anyone for being a goyim.  I merely stated that I believe
traditional Jewish morals and community are a good way to ensure moral
success in this society.  Why do you keep misrepresenting my statements?
What is your agenda exactly?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: FAQ: "Rogue Sites" on the Internet
Date: 1997/08/12
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In article <5so6e6$2bd$2@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>I did not attack anyone for being a goyim.  I merely stated that I believe
>traditional Jewish morals and community are a good way to ensure moral
>success in this society.  Why do you keep misrepresenting my statements?
>What is your agenda exactly?
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

I was led to understand that traditional Jewish morals had an objection to 
lies -- such as claiming to be "Official FAQ Maintainer - new.admin 
hierarchy".

Perhaps I was mistaken, though?

And it's interesting to note that Mr. Gonzales continues to post his 
misleading "Rogue Sites" pseudo-FAQ.

So, perhaps he's not trying to ensure moral success in this society?


--
  ++   ++   "Well Samwise: What do you think of the elves now?"
  ||\ /||                 --fbaggins@mid.earth.com
  || v ||ichael Martinez                    (michaelm@swcp.com)
  ++   ++------------------------------------------------------



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Subject: Re: Hannigan the MAN!
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
: In article <hausmannEEqEzI.615@netcom.com>, hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) writes:
: |> Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
: |> : Martin Hannigan (hannigan@tiac.net) wrote:
: |> : : |> be correct in assuming its window curtains may not have been opened
: |> : : |> for years?  Does the place even have a garage?
: |> : : 
: |> : : I haven't noticed a garage. You want me to take some pictures?
: |> :  
: |> : I'm not sure how your stalking will help stop net abuse.
: |> 
: |> Now, now Ricky. For all you know, Marty might be looking into real estate
: |> as an investment. The only thing better than owning a rental property 
: |> occupied by Stephe would be what ? Owning one that is not. <snicker>

: Hey how can I help it? Bump's house is *on my route* to work. I know
: where he lives because I knew he lived in Cambridge, MA and he made
: a death threat against me and Barry Shein:

: 	http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/bousry.html

: So it goes. If I were truly a *stalker*, I'd have stopped in 
: for coffee with da bump. :-)

Well, if there's no rent-control, you could raise his rent monthly. Of course,
he wouldn't be able to buy coffee, between rent increases and monthly ISP
charges. <snicker>
-- 
Further, you make grammar errors, show mistakes in word choice, and
commit logical fallacies regularly.  I don't.  On top of all that, you like
a shithouse on fire.

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From: Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Censorship on soc.religion.bahai & the approaching next vote for talk.religion.bahai
Date: 1997/08/13
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I'm posting this censored message to your newsgroup because 
there has been long and continued experience and allegations of 
censorship by myself and others on soc.religion.bahai

All three of the reasons given below are bogus, in my opinion.
This message does address the crucial existence of censorship
in the Bahai Faith; it adds to and states ideas not found in
the other three messages (by my count); AND please someone
point out to me WHERE in my message there is "abusive
language."

A NO vote campaign was orchestrated to defeat an umoderated
newsgroup, talk.religion.bahai, in late March 1997. Since
there have already been intimations that a similar NO vote
will be marshalled against the 157 people who voted YES
last time I hope you'll take a few minutes to look at this
message and the censorship that is taking place on UseNet.

-------------
Subject:         Re: censorship - moderators
       Date:     Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:14:21 -0600
       From:     "Rick Boatright" <boatright@cjnetworks.com>
Organization:    Topeka Business Computers
         To:     Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>,
fglaysher@hotmail.com,
         CC:     srb-mods@bcca.org


Frederick. 

This one is coming back to you.  It's your fifth message tonight on 
the same subject saying the same thing.  I let you accuse Dick and 
myself of being liers,  censors, I let you accuse us of being 
unwilling to listen to suggestion and being hopelessly inconsistant.  
But just for the record, I am returning this one on the following 
grounds: 

1) Does not address the beliefs and teachings of the Baha'i Faith
2) Repetative, does not move the discussion forward, fifth message 
tonight by the poster on the same subject. 
3) abusive language



Rick Boatright
co-moderator
soc.religion.bahai

------CENSORED MESSAGE FOLLOWS------

> To:            srb@bcca.org
> From:          Frederick Glaysher <fglaysher@hotmail.com>
> Subject:       Re: censorship - moderators
> Date:          Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:35:10 -0400
> Organization:  None
> Reply-to:      fglaysher@hotmail.com
> Cc:            fglaysher@hotmail.com

> dmcadam wrote:
> > 
> > [Note: Followups should address the Baha'i Faith.  -- Mods]
> > 
> > In answer to your last message :
> > 
> > Dear friend-
> > 
> > I can only speak from an individual point of view as a long time
> > Baha'i and my experience is that most folks today simply cannot
> > handle a wide open, no holds barred, let it all hang out type of
> > discussion.  These open forums tend to be hostile and
> > attack/defend type things where one has great trouble achieving
> > unity and discovering truth.
> 
> "Achieving unity and discovering truth": Usually means
> thinking the same as the moderators who know how others
> should regard any given subject....
> 
> > 
> > In time I feel we will be developed enough to be self regulating.
> 
> Self-censoring is how I read that.... 
> 
> > Personally the moderators are not trying to censor anyone, just
> > keep things in perspective by applying principles of full, frank
> > and honest opinions, tempered with courtesy, tact and wisdom.  I
> > really appreciate the wonderful job they do.  I too have had
> > submissions refused but they always kindly and lovingly give their
> > reason and most of the times I feel it is valid.  Course they and
> > I both know that none of us is perfect.
> 
> You too have been censored by them? "Most of the times" (note the
> plural) you think it's "valid"? "Not trying to censor anyone"? It
> appears to me there is much confused thinking here....
> 
> > 
> > We Baha'is know how suppressing it can be for a soul to want to
> > find the truth and not be able to because of negative emotions
> > clouding issues so we want to create a safe and secure, loving
> > atmosphere where freedom of speech can be enjoyed in such a way
> > that it will not distress anyone.
> 
> A very frightening rationale, which horrible historical
> precedents....
> 
> > 
> > My children are not allowed to use foul language, attack one
> > another, use put downs, categorize things by labelling people or
> > showing racist or other forms of divisiveness that impede soul
> > relations.  I feel to a great extent we are  all kind of like
> > spiritual children and do need some detached moderation.
> > 
> > We have all sorts of wonderful teachings about speech and how we
> > must conduct ourselves in term of fulfilling our overall goal of
> > love and unity in the world and they all fit scientific findings. 
> > However not everyone has read these or tried them on for size and
> > we lapse back into speech patterns that do not reflect our reality
> > and cause disunity.
> 
> "Scientific findings"? Ahhhmmmm.... Can you quote those for
> us?
> 
> > 
> > In addition we join this list knowing that it is moderated and we
> > mostly all agree that it should be. So our part of the agreement
> > is to follow these list guidelines and cooperate to make the world
> > a better place.
> 
> Or off with your head....
> 
> > 
> > I believe it might be a good idea for the Moderators to post the
> > List guidelines.  If you don't agree with them then say why and I
> > am sure they will listen.
> 
> I am not so sure. 
> 
> > 
> > with all due respect,
> > doug
> 
> [clip]
> 
> -- 
> Frederick Glaysher
> UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
> Ask your ISP to add it; also available on 
> www.dejanews.com, www.reference.com, and www.zippo.com.
-- 
-- 
Frederick Glaysher
UseNet: alt.religion.bahai
Ask your ISP to add it; also available on 
www.dejanews.com, www.reference.com, and www.zippo.com.



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From: "S.P." <S.P.@everywhere.com>
Subject: WINDIGO FERAL CANCELS ALL HER POSTS AT DEJANEWS!!! S.P. STIRKES TERROR IN HER HEART!!! BUT THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD!!!
Date: 1997/08/15
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Windgo Feral, you have kept you true identity secret for six years.
After reading my FAQs, you must have worried that your posts may reveal
you.

They did. I saved every posts that was germane to my FAQ about you.

So you post your FAQs about Dr.G through replay.com to avoid liability.
Now you, Windigo, will have your FAQ. I know your name--YOU POSTED THE
NAME OF YOUR FUTURE HUSBAND--a student at your University!!!

S.P.

Please reply to S.P. at pgh . org.
-- 
"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
sing for maidens and youths
songs never heard before."



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"S.P." <S.P.@everywhere.com> wrote:
>Windgo Feral, you have kept you true identity secret for six years.
>After reading my FAQs, you must have worried that your posts may reveal
>you.
>
>They did. I saved every posts that was germane to my FAQ about you.
>
>So you post your FAQs about Dr.G through replay.com to avoid liability.
>Now you, Windigo, will have your FAQ. I know your name--YOU POSTED THE
>NAME OF YOUR FUTURE HUSBAND--a student at your University!!!
>
>S.P.
>
>Please reply to S.P. at pgh . org.
>-- 
>"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
>Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
>sing for maidens and youths
>songs never heard before."

 AHA!  now I have you!  Spelling STRIKES as STIRKES - this is exactly the 
 kind of syntax error poorly trained Russian agents make - and your 
 sentence construction smacks of Russian!
 I'll bet you even say "Connecticut"......... ya stinkin commie dog!
 Get back to your old job as a Lubyanka guard, NIKITA!
 I bet you have a commie flag on the wall in your garage!!




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Doktor DynaSoar Iridium (dynasor@en.com) wrote:
: "Patricia A. Shaffer" <ramsa@swva.net> collapsed wave functions that formed:
: }" ... pearls before swine ... "
: 
: Zackly. There's always the chance they'd choke on them.

They're bad, we're good.  They're dumb, we're smart.  They need to be more
like us.  There is only one possible choice and it is to be just like us.

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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
: Doktor DynaSoar Iridium (dynasor@en.com) wrote:
: : "Patricia A. Shaffer" <ramsa@swva.net> collapsed wave functions that formed:
: : }" ... pearls before swine ... "
: : 
: : Zackly. There's always the chance they'd choke on them.

: They're bad, we're good.  They're dumb, we're smart.  They need to be more
: like us.  There is only one possible choice and it is to be just like us.

Trouble is, evolution has a tendency to "remove" people like you. After all,
it's not know as survival of the "nihlist".

-- 
Further, you make grammar errors, show mistakes in word choice, and
commit logical fallacies regularly.  I don't.  On top of all that, you like
a shithouse on fire.

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On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:21:48 -0500, "S.P." <S.P.@everywhere.com>
wrote:

Thank you for your note.


-- 
Poor Timmie dead and gone, left me here to sing this song.
                (reply to usenet at clubvb.com)



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From: "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org>
Subject: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/17
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=================================================================================

                                       S. P.


================================================================================


	Chris Lewis, you are a disgrace to the Internet community, as are the
rest of you: Nellis, Gierth, Hannigan, Isley, Lysander, Phoenix--for you
do not take a bold stand against these cultish kooks of the Church of
the SubGenius for the MAC ATTACK of 1988, but instead join forces with
admitted criminals.

	Here is the article, Chris Lewis. What do you have to say about the
CoSG's attack on the net?

S.P.

--------
San Francisco Examiner:  February 11, 1988 page A-1

Computer pranksters plant 'virus' in Macs
By John Markoff

A computer "virus" designed by adherents to a loose-knit 
philosophy called the Church of the SubGenius is creating an 
uproar on the nation's largest computer-information system, whose 
managers fear the bug may cause widespread destruction.
The bug's designers, however, say they intended to spread a 
message of good will with their virus, a small software program 
that automatically spreads itself from computer to computer.  It 
is aimed at Macintosh personal computers.
The virus, designed to simply display an unexpected message on 
a computer's screen, has not actually caused any damage.  In fact, 
it won't flash on any screens until March 2.  Still, it angers 
Macintosh users, who fear the damage a less-benign but similar 
program could cause.
The programmers, who publish a magazine called MacMag in 
Montreal, said they had launched the virus in December.  So far, 
the program has spread to Europe and the West Coast, as well as to 
Apple Computer in Cupertino.

The Church of the SubGenius is an ill-defined group of sometime 
pranksters that began in Texas as, in the words of one writer, a 
"monotheistic new-UFO cult in the 1950s" and has become a 
"polytheistic grab-bag in the 1980s."
In other words, said David Spector, a New York University 
programmer whose computer was infected by the virus, "They're a 
bunch of high-tech looney-tunes.  It's a loose club that is 
something out of 'Zippy the Pinhead.'"

In recent months the specter of destructive software viruses 
has sparked nationwide debate because of the vulnerability of 
computers to invasion.  Several malicious viruses that destroy 
computer data have been discovered in U.S. universities and 
corporations and in Israel.  Personal computers are particularly 
vulnerable because they lack even the most rudimentary security 
mechanisms.

Compuserve, a computer-information service based in Columbus, 
Ohio, provides more than 50,000 PC users with electronic mail, 
news and bulletin boards for hobbyists.  The virus got into 
Compuserve through an infected file placed on one of the bulletin 
boards, creating a booby trap for other subscribers.  When they 
transferred the file to their computers, the virus came with it.

Neil Shapiro, moderator of Compuserve's Macintosh user group, 
has posted a warning about the virus.

"Do not use the [program] 'Newapp.stk' which was online here 
for about 24 hours," the message said.  "It will mess up your 
system with unknown results."

Computserve officials would not comment.

Shapiro said Wednesday that he and several other programmers 
had spent two "horror-filled" days trying to understand the 
program.
"I'm aghast anyone in the Macintosh community would do anything 
like this," he said.  "A lot of people think that doing something 
like this is heroic, but it really isn't.  It's an insidious way 
of breaking into somebody's property."
However, one of the bug's designers said the virus was an 
"artistic" act intended to celebrate the introduction of the Apple 
Macintosh computer.
Peter Lount, a director of MacMag, said he and Richard Brandow, 
the magazine's publisher, had designed the virus to spread a 
"peaceful message" through the Macintosh community.
Lount said the virus was a "neoist" act that fit with the 
philosophy of the Church of the SubGenius.
"It's really interesting: this is madly, wildly distributing 
itself," he said.  "We're trying to show that you can use the 
Macintosh to reach millions of people."
Kevin Kelley, an editor of the Whole Earth Review, a Sausalito 
magazine, said the Church of the SubGenius had begun as a spoof on 
fundamentalist religions but later had taken on aspects of a 
religious cult in its own right.  Its founder, a shadowy Texan 
named J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, died in 1985.
Fred Cohen, a University of Cincinnati computer scientist, 
warned that while the MacMag virus might appear harmless, the 
potential for great damage was real.
A trivial modification of the program could make it "incredibly 
destructive" to information stored on a computer's disks, Cohen 
said.
Spector, the New York programmer, said he had discovered the 
program in his Macintosh Tuesday.
"I was really frightened last night at 1 or 2 in the morning 
when I discovered that thing was living in my system," he said.
Spector said he eventually had determined the virus was 
designed to do something on March 2.
Once the virus infects a Macintosh, Lount said, it will sit 
unnoticed inside the computer's operating system until March 2.
When someone uses the computer on March 2, it will display this 
message: "Richard Brandow, publisher of MacMag, and its entire 
staff would like to take this opportunity to convey their 
universal message of peace to all Macintosh users around the 
world."  The next day, the program will destroy itself.



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Subject: HEAVEN's GATE-TYPE CULT IS THREATENS TO KILL A FAMILY IN AUSTIN TEXAS.
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The Church of the SubGenius wrote:

> Correction.  We will see *you*.  You won't see us.

How dare you threaten me and my family with death, just because we
disagree with your sick cultish philosophies and end of the world
prophecies.

I am putting the Texas Attorney General onto your Texas cult, what with
the death threats that you have made here at these newsgroups. You have
terrified my family for the last time.

I repeat to you: Texas has had enough of cults, as I have said all
along. And I also say this: The Internet does not want to suffer from
the bad reputation of another Heaven's Gate cult to tarnish its image.

I am taking appropriate steps to protect my family.

S.P.



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In article <33F7B986.6FBA@pgh.org>, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:

>The Church of the SubGenius wrote:
>
>> Correction.  We will see *you*.  You won't see us.
>
>How dare you threaten me and my family with death, just because we
>disagree with your sick cultish philosophies and end of the world
>prophecies.
>
>I am putting the Texas Attorney General onto your Texas cult, what with
>the death threats that you have made here at these newsgroups. You have
>terrified my family for the last time.

   Ummm...dude, hate to break this to you, but the Church of the SubGenuis
is a *JOKE* !!    A Parody.    It is not even close to serious.    While
somebody *might* be using the name to inject some creative anarchy into
the net, the Church of the SubGenuis, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, etc., etc., is
nothing more than a parody of religion, and should be taken as the joke it
is.    Sorry, but if someone actually claims to believe in the "Xists",
and "Slack", they are more than likely pulling your leg, or having a major
joke at your expence.   If you feel the joke is in bad taste, complain to
the *posters* net account admin.   If you go asking the authorities to
investigate the CoSG, you're just going to make yourself look silly -
because the authorities will find out it's a joke really quickly.
   Check the humour section of your local bookstore, (under "S" for
"Stang").  Chances are you'll find the Book of the SubGenuis in there -
under humour, where it belongs.

    - Patrick McKinnion

-- 
<*>   SP2
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like Douglas Adams et al?
Date: 1997/08/17
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Douglas Adams (scribe@inav.net) wrote:
: > Dave Ratcliffe wrote:
: > > 
: > Is Ricki jewish?
: > With a name like Gonzales, likely not!
: > 
: > Sorry, we don't want him.
: > You can keep him.
: 
: Don't think Spain wants him either since Jews were, uh, made unwelcome 
: during the Inquisition.
: 
: -- 
: Douglas Adams
: Fight spam -- Join CAUCE
: http://www.cauce.org/

Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?

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From: Prime@ni.net (Jeffrey (Prime) Smith)
Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/18
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On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:27:12 -0500, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:

>	Chris Lewis, you are a disgrace to the Internet community, as are the
>rest of you: Nellis, Gierth, Hannigan, Isley, Lysander, Phoenix--for you
>do not take a bold stand against these cultish kooks of the Church of
>the SubGenius for the MAC ATTACK of 1988, but instead join forces with
>admitted criminals.
>
>	Here is the article, Chris Lewis. What do you have to say about the
>CoSG's attack on the net?

<Snip article>

Lets see now - a computer program, written by two people, who to the
best of my knowledge are NOT posters to alt.binaries.slack, let alone
members of SPUTUM - not to mention the program is not malicious in
nature.

Does the phrase "broad brush" mean anything to you?  
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From: haverber@yuck.net (Bill Haverberg)
Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/18
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On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:27:12 -0500, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:

This is yet another example of the pro-spammers seeking legitimacy, by
attacking the credibility of people engaged in anti-spam activities. 
>
>	Chris Lewis, you are a disgrace to the Internet community, as are the
>rest of you: Nellis, Gierth, Hannigan, Isley, Lysander, Phoenix--for you
>do not take a bold stand against these cultish kooks of the Church of
>the SubGenius for the MAC ATTACK of 1988, but instead join forces with
>admitted criminals.
>
First off, it should be noted this is a parts to the whole argument.
By denigrating one or a few people, there is an inherent temptation to
apply this characterization to the whole of people engaged in
anti-spam activity. This needs to be pointed out if it becomes an
issue in discourse.

>	Here is the article, Chris Lewis. What do you have to say about the
>CoSG's attack on the net?
>
>--------
>San Francisco Examiner:  February 11, 1988 page A-1
>
>Computer pranksters plant 'virus' in Macs
>By John Markoff
>
>A computer "virus" designed by adherents to a loose-knit 
>philosophy called the Church of the SubGenius is creating an 
>uproar on the nation's largest computer-information system, whose 
>managers fear the bug may cause widespread destruction.
>The bug's designers, however, say they intended to spread a 
>message of good will with their virus, a small software program 
>that automatically spreads itself from computer to computer.  It 
>is aimed at Macintosh personal computers.
>The virus, designed to simply display an unexpected message on 
>a computer's screen, has not actually caused any damage.  In fact, 
>it won't flash on any screens until March 2.  Still, it angers 
>Macintosh users, who fear the damage a less-benign but similar 
>program could cause.
>
It is necessary to emphasise no actual harm occurred from this, nor
was there malicious intent. 

>The programmers, who publish a magazine called MacMag in 
>Montreal, said they had launched the virus in December.  So far, 
>the program has spread to Europe and the West Coast, as well as to 
>Apple Computer in Cupertino.
>
One must remember that most destructive viruses tend not to have wide
distribution. This is another indication of its relativte
"benignness".

>The Church of the SubGenius is an ill-defined group of sometime 
>pranksters that began in Texas as, in the words of one writer, a 
>"monotheistic new-UFO cult in the 1950s" and has become a 
>"polytheistic grab-bag in the 1980s."
>In other words, said David Spector, a New York University 
>programmer whose computer was infected by the virus, "They're a 
>bunch of high-tech looney-tunes.  It's a loose club that is 
>something out of 'Zippy the Pinhead.'"
>
An attempt to associate with that *other* well known UFO cult,
"Heavens Gate", which committed mass-suicide earlier this year. First,
one must define the major characteristics of a cult - close
monitoring, lack of personal control, isolation from others - and see
if it applies to the members in this case. If it does not, then they
are definately not members of a "cult", and any further allegations in
this area may, indeed, be actionable under defamation of character.

>In recent months the specter of destructive software viruses 
>has sparked nationwide debate because of the vulnerability of 
>computers to invasion.  Several malicious viruses that destroy 
>computer data have been discovered in U.S. universities and 
>corporations and in Israel.  Personal computers are particularly 
>vulnerable because they lack even the most rudimentary security 
>mechanisms.
>
He is speaking in the abstract here, generalizing. The specifics must
be adhered to. Was there damage? No. Was there malicious intent? No.
Indeed, this is a just another aspect of the pervasive hacker
subculture that built the computers, software, and networks we are
familiar with today. Steven Jobs, for example, who introduced the
Apple computer was a phone phreaker in his college days. Ignorance of
the influence of this subculture on the computer industry prevents a
full appreciation for how and why todays computer systems developed.

>Compuserve, a computer-information service based in Columbus, 
>Ohio, provides more than 50,000 PC users with electronic mail, 
>news and bulletin boards for hobbyists.  The virus got into 
>Compuserve through an infected file placed on one of the bulletin 
>boards, creating a booby trap for other subscribers.  When they 
>transferred the file to their computers, the virus came with it.
>
>Neil Shapiro, moderator of Compuserve's Macintosh user group, 
>has posted a warning about the virus.
>
>"Do not use the [program] 'Newapp.stk' which was online here 
>for about 24 hours," the message said.  "It will mess up your 
>system with unknown results."
>
>Computserve officials would not comment.
>
One could just as easily point to the fact this was in 1988, when
people were still relatively ignorant about viruses. Also given this
was 9 years ago, an argument of "Youthful indescretion" can be made.

>Shapiro said Wednesday that he and several other programmers 
>had spent two "horror-filled" days trying to understand the 
>program.
>"I'm aghast anyone in the Macintosh community would do anything 
>like this," he said.  "A lot of people think that doing something 
>like this is heroic, but it really isn't.  It's an insidious way 
>of breaking into somebody's property."

Again, this was 1988 and there was still a lot of hyperbole about
viruses. Every virus would destroy your hard drive, cause physical
damage to your computer, give you bad breath, bankrupt your savings,
and make your wife see a long list of phone sex calls on the next
monthy statement from the local telco. So of course, there is an
element of media overkill in this report.

>However, one of the bug's designers said the virus was an 
>"artistic" act intended to celebrate the introduction of the Apple 
>Macintosh computer.
>Peter Lount, a director of MacMag, said he and Richard Brandow, 
>the magazine's publisher, had designed the virus to spread a 
>"peaceful message" through the Macintosh community.
>Lount said the virus was a "neoist" act that fit with the 
>philosophy of the Church of the SubGenius.
>"It's really interesting: this is madly, wildly distributing 
>itself," he said.  "We're trying to show that you can use the 
>Macintosh to reach millions of people."

Here we see an altruistic motive, however foolishly executed.

>Kevin Kelley, an editor of the Whole Earth Review, a Sausalito 
>magazine, said the Church of the SubGenius had begun as a spoof on 
>fundamentalist religions but later had taken on aspects of a 
>religious cult in its own right.  Its founder, a shadowy Texan 
>named J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, died in 1985.

Yet another attempt to drag Cults into this.

>Fred Cohen, a University of Cincinnati computer scientist, 
>warned that while the MacMag virus might appear harmless, the 
>potential for great damage was real.
>A trivial modification of the program could make it "incredibly 
>destructive" to information stored on a computer's disks, Cohen 
>said.

A hypothetical designed to arouse fear. Did the virus cause any harm?
No. Was there malicious intent? No. You have to keep focusing on the
facts, not the what-ifs. Example: What if the president had a siezure
and launched nukes at Russia? What if officer friendly gets drunk and
breaks into your house, looking for boogymen? You could play these
games forever but the facts don't change.

>Spector, the New York programmer, said he had discovered the 
>program in his Macintosh Tuesday.
>"I was really frightened last night at 1 or 2 in the morning 
>when I discovered that thing was living in my system," he said.
>Spector said he eventually had determined the virus was 
>designed to do something on March 2.
>Once the virus infects a Macintosh, Lount said, it will sit 
>unnoticed inside the computer's operating system until March 2.
>When someone uses the computer on March 2, it will display this 
>message: "Richard Brandow, publisher of MacMag, and its entire 
>staff would like to take this opportunity to convey their 
>universal message of peace to all Macintosh users around the 
>world."  The next day, the program will destroy itself.

I exhort everyone again, to look at the long-term game. Wallace
Sanford has legal counsel, and perhaps public relations counsel as
well. There will continue to be a systematic attempt to discredit the
credibility of antispammers, while showing spammers are "reasonable"
by maintaining preference lists and so on. 

To this effect, I propose anti-spammers establish a "No Harm" credo,
to the effect "I will never knowingly, either through action or
inaction, harm any other person or their property while engaged in
anti-spam activity".

I will be the first to take this pledge.

Bill Haverberg
(10 spam kills)

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http://www.cauce.org

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From: Majestic7@ALIENcryogen.SPAMcom (Roswell Coverup)
Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/18
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While filling our email boxes with UCE Spam, in article 
<33F7A4F0.5AD3@pgh.org>, S.P.@pgh.org says...
> =================================================================================
> 
>                                        S. P.
> 
> 
> ================================================================================
> 
> 
> 	Chris Lewis, you are a disgrace to the Internet community, as are the
> rest of you: Nellis, Gierth, Hannigan, Isley, Lysander, Phoenix--for you
> do not take a bold stand against these cultish kooks of the Church of
> the SubGenius for the MAC ATTACK of 1988, but instead join forces with
> admitted criminals.

I see that you did not include Rev. JOWazzoo - HA!
You finally see that a YETI is no match eh??

Praise Bob - $! only to S.P.

-- 
JOWazzoo - A Very Disturbed Nerd, InterNUT Bluelist & NetScum Member
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From: Peter Murphy <peterm@to.icl.fi>
Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/18
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Bill Haverberg wrote:
> 

> 
> I exhort everyone again, to look at the long-term game. Wallace
> Sanford has legal counsel, and perhaps public relations counsel as
> well. There will continue to be a systematic attempt to discredit the
> credibility of antispammers, while showing spammers are "reasonable"
> by maintaining preference lists and so on.
> 
> To this effect, I propose anti-spammers establish a "No Harm" credo,
> to the effect "I will never knowingly, either through action or
> inaction, harm any other person or their property while engaged in
> anti-spam activity".
> 
It's a good idea. However, would it prevent the pledgers from writing
this sort of letter?

Dear Spammer-Hosting-ISP:

	I found this following letter in mailbox. From the headers, it came
from your ISP. Cound you please kill the account of the person
involved....

Is an email acccount the property of the user - spammer or no? Or does
it belong to the ISP that hosts it. Yes, I'm being picky. All feedback
appreciated.

Cheers,

Peter Murphy.



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From: see_reply_or_sig@geocities.com
Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/18
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S.P. wrote:

I thought this sounded familiar, then I checked the date.  This is NINE
(9) YEARS OLD, folks.  People (and groups) change over time.

>         Chris Lewis, you are a disgrace to the Internet community, as are the
> rest of you: Nellis, Gierth, Hannigan, Isley, Lysander, Phoenix--for you
> do not take a bold stand against these cultish kooks of the Church of
> the SubGenius for the MAC ATTACK of 1988, but instead join forces with
                                      ^^^^
> admitted criminals.
> 
>         Here is the article, Chris Lewis. What do you have to say about the
> CoSG's attack on the net?
> 
> S.P.
> 
> --------
> San Francisco Examiner:  February 11, 1988 page A-1
> 
> Computer pranksters plant 'virus' in Macs
> By John Markoff

David                davidwr
Richardson           @geocities.com





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From: wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)
Subject: Re: HEAVEN's GATE-TYPE CULT IS THREATENS TO KILL A FAMILY IN AUSTIN TEXAS.
Date: 1997/08/18
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In article <PatMcK-1708972323570001@ppp-207-215-141-151.sndg02.pacbell.net>,
Patrick McKinnion <PatMcK@pacbell.net> wrote:
>In article <33F7B986.6FBA@pgh.org>, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:
>
>>The Church of the SubGenius wrote:
>>
>>> Correction.  We will see *you*.  You won't see us.
>>
>>How dare you threaten me and my family with death, just because we
>>disagree with your sick cultish philosophies and end of the world
>>prophecies.
>>
>>I am putting the Texas Attorney General onto your Texas cult, what with
>>the death threats that you have made here at these newsgroups. You have
>>terrified my family for the last time.
>
>   Ummm...dude, hate to break this to you, but the Church of the SubGenuis
>is a *JOKE* !!    A Parody.

This is false. True this bizarre and dangerous cult hides behind a mask of
humor, pretends it's all just a joke, but you'd expect them to wouldn't
you?


    It is not even close to serious.    While
>somebody *might* be using the name to inject some creative anarchy into
>the net, the Church of the SubGenuis, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, etc., etc., is
>nothing more than a parody of religion, and should be taken as the joke it
>is.

Just a joke.  Just a joke.  Keep repeating this. Like they want you too.

Much of this "joke" is meant to suck in vulnerable young kids who think
all of this is cool.  And then slowly indoctrinate them, using drugs, sex
and rock and roll if necessary. The "joke" is the bait you see.


    Sorry, but if someone actually claims to believe in the "Xists",
>and "Slack", they are more than likely pulling your leg, or having a major
>joke at your expence.  

Yes.  The biggest joke is that you may fall for think it is indeed just a
joke, and miss what evil lurks behind this supposed joke.  Of course,
everybody on the net's an expert and knows all about this supposed cult
being a mere joke.  Are you sure they really are experts though?
Or really know anything?

 If you feel the joke is in bad taste, complain to
>the *posters* net account admin.

Accounts are cheap and easy to get.  A surprising number of
administers at various ISPs are SubGenii supporters, by the way.
They think the "joke" is cool.  See how insidious it is?


   If you go asking the authorities to
>investigate the CoSG, you're just going to make yourself look silly -
>because the authorities will find out it's a joke really quickly.

They too will probably fall for the old "it's just a joke, just look at
all this weird literature" gambit.  How would they know otherwise
actually?

>   Check the humour section of your local bookstore, (under "S" for
>"Stang").  Chances are you'll find the Book of the SubGenuis in there -
>under humour, where it belongs.
>
>    - Patrick McKinnion


Remember, that's not what the cult is REALLY about, these books are just
bait.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!




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Subject: Net Terrorism
Date: 1997/08/18
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Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
: In article <5t5acn$lpm$2@usenet76.supernews.com>,
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: >You are again misrepresenting my statement.  I said only that
: >traditional Jewish teachings and Jewish communities tend to make
: >very moral individuals.  If someone doesn't come from this sort
: >of background then you can't force them to be moral.  It's hard
: >to change someone's values and morals once they've got them
: >pretty well set.
: 
: The implication is, then, that you *can* force someone who does come from
: the sort of background to be moral.  You claim to come from this sort of
: background.  So tell us, Ric, how does one go about forcing you to be moral?

My moral background doesn't allow me to impose force on others, so I
don't have any experience or knowledge about the possibilities of forcing
someone to think and act a certain way.

: We would like to prevent you from lying about having Jonathan Kamens again,
: and if there is a simple way of doing this we would like to know about it.

When did I make any public statement about "having Jonathan Kamens"?  I
think all I've said is that I've been working to support the same things
that he supports.  It is true that we are both ardent pro-Zionists,
but I have never publicly admitted anything about "having Jonathan
Kamens" and request that you either retract that statement or reveal
your sources.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
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S.P. <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote in article <33F7B986.6FBA@pgh.org>...
.
> 
> I am taking appropriate steps to protect my family.

You're locking yourself in the closet?


-- 
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Bill Haverberg <haverber@yuck.net> wrote in article
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> On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:27:12 -0500, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:

> >The Church of the SubGenius is an ill-defined group of sometime 
> >pranksters that began in Texas as, in the words of one writer, a 
> >"monotheistic new-UFO cult in the 1950s" and has become a 
> >"polytheistic grab-bag in the 1980s."
> >In other words, said David Spector, a New York University 
> >programmer whose computer was infected by the virus, "They're a 
> >bunch of high-tech looney-tunes.  It's a loose club that is 
> >something out of 'Zippy the Pinhead.'"
> >
> An attempt to associate with that *other* well known UFO cult,
> "Heavens Gate", which committed mass-suicide earlier this year. First,
> one must define the major characteristics of a cult - 

>close monitoring, 

Subgenii do not need close monitoring, for we are monitored from afar by
JHVH-1 and his minions on Earth, whom you would recognize as we do if one
day you woke up and the world was just a slightly different color.  Did
you ever see that movie "They Live" -- it's like that, but without the
sunglasses.  Of course, the effect of the monitoring is that we aren't
supposed to notice it -- but that's where "Bob" comes in. It is only once
one initially "knows" "Bob" that the Eye which Sees to Hide can withstand
the treatment that removes the false impressions.  You are then aware of
the control forced upon you from without, and in addition you know you
are powerless to do anything but become increasingly powerless.  Of
course, "Bob" once again enters into the equation and offers to make you
a "deal".  How willing are you to trade one master for another?  It is a
question that requires serious thought and so is often given none, or
slightly less.  Soon thereafter it becomes imperative that you kill
[censored] for in that way at least temporary [censored and gagged]
mummph auiuem jaoiuiu mahwwe 

>lack of personal control, 

see above

>isolation from others 

If you knew the truth, or what you perceived to be the truth, or what you
created to be the truth, and only a few others around you could even see
the paper it was written on, let alone the message, would you need to be
physically isolated?  No; that isolation is built in, coded into the
genes of every SubGenius born on this planet and lacking Yeti brethren. 
It's when you look around and ask, "What the fuck is wrong with all these
people?  Are they really this boring, this normal, this complacent, this
PINK?  Are they really oblivious to this world?  How could I possibly
even be the same species as THEM?" -- and nobody understands why you're
asking -- that's true isolation.

>-and see if it applies to the members in this case. If it does not, then
they
> are definately not members of a "cult", and any further allegations in
> this area may, indeed, be actionable under defamation of character.

How would somebody "defame" tCotSG?  (That "L" word springs to mind --ie.
not a bastard)

Rev. Nully Fydyan




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Date: 1997/08/19
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An anti-UCE person said:
: 
: Don't think Spain wants him either since Jews were, uh, made unwelcome 
: during the Inquisition.
: 

A person, possibly a spammer, noted that the anti-UCE person promoted
the CAUCE web page said>

>Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?

And the members of this group just keep posting 'quick remarks' that
they think show how smart they are. Many also respond to every troll and
use a limited range of swear words. When in real doubt they close their
posts with a "Get a Life" just trolling spammers do.

Media people and people who reacted to spam and want to find a way to
end it visit this group. Without exception - they first notice and
remember the EXTREME posts.

Very few people stay here long enough to recognize that most of the
posters give valid points for removing UCE (and UBE) from the net. While
most people here are reasonable, the majority of the posts are made by
the 'people who think they can type WONDERFUL quick responses'.

Visitors - like congress people, Senators, and media will associate the
worst post here with EVERYONE who participates in this group.

One poster who thought his writing was 'CUTE'promoted CAUCE in the
signature following the post. This led to the:

>Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?

response.

Write your damn cute and abusive responses. Then read them to your
hearts content. Just don't send them to the group. Let the trolls
subside quickly.

We want to end UCE/UBE. All the crap just drives serious people away.

What the heck - get a life. . .



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In article <5t7fds$h6e$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
|> Douglas Adams (scribe@inav.net) wrote:
|> : > Dave Ratcliffe wrote:
|> : > > 

[ snip ]

|> Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?

No. Why are you being a racist again Rico?

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Subject: Re: SubGenius Plants Viruses----Chris Lewis, You Are A Disgrace.
Date: 1997/08/19
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In article <33F7A4F0.5AD3@pgh.org>, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:

+ A computer "virus" designed by adherents to a loose-knit 
+ philosophy called the Church of the SubGenius is creating an 
+ uproar on the nation's largest computer-information system, whose 
+ managers fear the bug may cause widespread destruction.

So, S.P., when are you going to rail against Christianity, Islam and
Judaism? their adherents have done far, far worse than a harmless little
computer virus.

James - mass murder, for instance...

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In article <5t8gj8$7rl$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
|> Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
|> : In article <5t5acn$lpm$2@usenet76.supernews.com>,
|> : ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

[ snipper ]

|> When did I make any public statement about "having Jonathan Kamens"?  I
|> think all I've said is that I've been working to support the same things
|> that he supports.  It is true that we are both ardent pro-Zionists,
|> but I have never publicly admitted anything about "having Jonathan
|> Kamens" and request that you either retract that statement or reveal
|> your sources.
|> 

There you go again, speaking for Jik. Hasn't he spanked you for
this before? Are you going to force us to sit back and roll
on the floor as he totally disavows you again? You might as well
toss in the towel and admit you are a Vulis at heart.

Ricardo, you are the true racist, and we all know it.


-- 
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On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:46:34 -0700, Unknown
<unknown@but.widely.appladed.com> wrote:


>One poster who thought his writing was 'CUTE'promoted CAUCE in the
>signature following the post. This led to the:
>
>>Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?
>
>response.
>
>Write your damn cute and abusive responses. Then read them to your
>hearts content. Just don't send them to the group. Let the trolls
>subside quickly.
>
>We want to end UCE/UBE. All the crap just drives serious people away.
>
>What the heck - get a life. . .

Uh, the person who asked that question is a well-known kook, and he
will be spewing that sort of drivel regardless of what anyone else
says or does.

Removing fire hydrants won't stop dogs from pissing.


-- 
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In newsgroup news.admin.censorship, post
<5tc3su$n6o@news-central.tiac.net>,hannigan@tiac.net (Martin Hannigan)
wrote:

>In article <5t7fds$h6e$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>> Is CAUCE anti-Semitic like you guys?
>
>No. Why are you being a racist again Rico?

Hector just trolls and flamebaits, wrapped in his newly-discovered
Jewish identity, trying to provoke a response (_any_ response) that he
can even remotely claim to be antisemitic; the above is such a case.

But Hector always fails to address the antisemitism on the
(now-defunct) www.netscum.net pages, authored and maintained by his
Freedum Knut buddy, Little Stevie Blunder^W Boursy.

Come on Hector; what about these?

=========================================================
http://www.netscum.net/kamensj0.html

Jonathan Kamens, jik@annex-1-slip-jik.cam.ov.com, jik@cam.ov.com,
jik@datsrv.co.il, jik@jik.israel.net, Zionist Internet
censor and bully Jon hates the Christian spelling of his name, John.
The 4 feet 8 inches tall Kamens's most famous quote is
"Don't say anything in E-mail to me that you wouldn't want posted in
news.admin.net-abuse.misc." The company for which
Kamen works, OpenVison Technologies, Inc. is an Oracle wanna be and
fronts for foreign agents in the US from Israel, that
is, the secret service there known as Mosad, and completely approves
of what Kamens does. Kamens is best known as the
self-annointed moderator of the unmoderated Usenet groups such as
soc.culture.israel and com.security.misc where he spends
hours sending false, obnoxious e-mail complaints to the ISP's of
posters whose content he considers offensive. Tried to
moderate soc.culture.israel, but couldn't get any votes. Moderates
various *.answers newsgroups. Claims to be the principal
contributor to GNU and FSF, who deny knowing him. Being a Jew, Kamens
believes he is a god.

===============================================================

and...

================================================================

http://www.netscum.net/mcvayk0.html

Ken McVay OBC (order of British Columbia) runs a Web site plugging the
amazing muraculous multiplying dead Jews -
twelve million and growing. Advocates plug-pulling as a "response" to
speech. Attempts to silence anyone questioning his
whining tripe about the Nazi holocaust and "revisionism" to make the
world feel guilt-ridden for what Hitler did. Ken's arsenal
of weapons ranges from complaining about the contents of other
people's Usenet articles and Web pages to pulling the plug on
sites that refuse to bend over to issuing cancels for Usenet articles
Ken did not post:

======================================================================


Yes, it's true. Hector is obsessed with trying to sucker new readers
with his "all Jews are wonderful and moral by birth and religious
training, and all non-Jews are despicable and immoral" bait. He is
truly a worthless person and will be dealt with Off Line by contacting
his employer, Rabbi Shlomo Ruthenberg <shlomo@bwalk.dm.com>. 



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On 18 Aug 1997 03:46:48 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
>: In article <5t5acn$lpm$2@usenet76.supernews.com>,
>: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>: >You are again misrepresenting my statement.  I said only that
>: >traditional Jewish teachings and Jewish communities tend to make
>: >very moral individuals.  If someone doesn't come from this sort
>: >of background then you can't force them to be moral.  It's hard
>: >to change someone's values and morals once they've got them
>: >pretty well set.
>: 
>: The implication is, then, that you *can* force someone who does come from
>: the sort of background to be moral.  You claim to come from this sort of
>: background.  So tell us, Ric, how does one go about forcing you to be moral?
>
>My moral background doesn't allow me to impose force on others, so I
>don't have any experience or knowledge about the possibilities of forcing
>someone to think and act a certain way.
>
>: We would like to prevent you from lying about having Jonathan Kamens again,
>: and if there is a simple way of doing this we would like to know about it.
>
>When did I make any public statement about "having Jonathan Kamens"?  I
>think all I've said is that I've been working to support the same things
>that he supports.  It is true that we are both ardent pro-Zionists,
>but I have never publicly admitted anything about "having Jonathan
>Kamens" and request that you either retract that statement or reveal
>your sources.

Is this your denial of involvement with www.netscum.net?

Yes or no.  Any coy non-answer will be accepted as a "yes" answer.

Of course, you're fucked either way you answer, but at least we'll
have a measure of closure on *one* sorry chapter of Inet.abuse.


-- 
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From: kjpodsia@cyberramp.net (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: Re: Net Terrorism
Date: 1997/08/19
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In article <5t8gj8$7rl$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,
ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
>: In article <5t5acn$lpm$2@usenet76.supernews.com>,
>: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

[...]
>: >If someone doesn't come from this sort
>: >of background then you can't force them to be moral.
[...]
>: 
>: The implication is, then, that you *can* force someone who does come from
>: the sort of background to be moral.  You claim to come from this sort of
>: background.  So tell us, Ric, how does one go about forcing you to be moral?
>
>My moral background doesn't allow me to impose force on others, so I
>don't have any experience or knowledge about the possibilities of forcing
>someone to think and act a certain way.

But in the statement above you clearly claim knowledge about who can be
"forced to be moral" and who can't.  Are you retracting this statement now?

>: We would like to prevent you from lying about having Jonathan Kamens again,
>: and if there is a simple way of doing this we would like to know about it.
>
>When did I make any public statement about "having Jonathan Kamens"?  I
[...]

Incomplete thought (second down and ten).  I intended to say "having
Jonathan Kamens IN SUPPORT OF YOUR VIEWS".  Sorry if there was any confusion.

>Kamens" and request that you either retract that statement or reveal
>your sources.

I have no problem with revealing my sources.  My source is one Ricardo
Hector Gonzales (perhaps you know him?), who posted the following article
on June 3, 1997:

-- begin quoted article --

Subject:      Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal
attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
From:         ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Date:         1997/06/03
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news.admin.misc,sci.meow,news.admin.net-abuse

Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: 
: >that the signal to noise ratio has become pathetic.  I am teaming up
: >with Johnathan Kamens and other Jewish Internet Leaders to boycott the
: >Goyim Noise Making that Ratcliffe, Manson, and others are participating 
: 
: I find it hard to believe that Jon Kamens  would team up 
: with you. You sure he said it was okay? Jik is a lot of things, but
: a complete net.idiot he is not.

Jonathan Kamens and I work together in support of Kelal Yisrael, and
as such our moral authority serves to correct problems that spiritless
goyim like you have created.  Whlie Jonathan Kamens and I have had our 
heated discussions in the past, such as the thread on the measure of 
humane killing used to classify Kosher meat products, we stand united 
against the noise that you goyim are creating on this group.  We also 
are in agreement about the strategies we use to handle anti-Zionists.
But we are most of all in agreement about one thing: we want to get 
back to the discussion of ethical issues in the news.admin hierarchy!

I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a
boycott of the flame wars and personal attacks that have recently taken
hold of this group.  Also please contact me regarding any goyim that you
might nominate as hasidei `umoth ha-olam, though given their record it
is unlikely.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6

-- end quoted article --

-- 
Kevin Podsiadlik (or just "KJP")
          "Tell me, why is it so hard to see
           If he's really a man, or just a tree?"
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Subject: Re: HEAVEN's GATE-TYPE CULT IS THREATENS TO KILL A FAMILY IN AUSTIN TEXAS.
Date: 1997/08/19
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wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) wrote:
>In article <PatMcK-1708972323570001@ppp-207-215-141-151.sndg02.pacbell.net>,
>Patrick McKinnion <PatMcK@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>In article <33F7B986.6FBA@pgh.org>, "S.P." <S.P.@pgh.org> wrote:
>>
>>>The Church of the SubGenius wrote:
>>>
>>>> Correction.  We will see *you*.  You won't see us.
>>>
>>>How dare you threaten me and my family with death, just because we
>>>disagree with your sick cultish philosophies and end of the world
>>>prophecies.
>>>
>>>I am putting the Texas Attorney General onto your Texas cult, what with
>>>the death threats that you have made here at these newsgroups. You have
>>>terrified my family for the last time.
>>
>>   Ummm...dude, hate to break this to you, but the Church of the SubGenuis
>>is a *JOKE* !!    A Parody.
>
>This is false. True this bizarre and dangerous cult hides behind a mask of
>humor, pretends it's all just a joke, but you'd expect them to wouldn't
>you?
>
>
>    It is not even close to serious.    While
>>somebody *might* be using the name to inject some creative anarchy into
>>the net, the Church of the SubGenuis, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, etc., etc., is
>>nothing more than a parody of religion, and should be taken as the joke it
>>is.
>
>Just a joke.  Just a joke.  Keep repeating this. Like they want you too.
>
>Much of this "joke" is meant to suck in vulnerable young kids who think
>all of this is cool.  And then slowly indoctrinate them, using drugs, sex
>and rock and roll if necessary. The "joke" is the bait you see.
>
>
>    Sorry, but if someone actually claims to believe in the "Xists",
>>and "Slack", they are more than likely pulling your leg, or having a major
>>joke at your expence.  
>
>Yes.  The biggest joke is that you may fall for think it is indeed just a
>joke, and miss what evil lurks behind this supposed joke.  Of course,
>everybody on the net's an expert and knows all about this supposed cult
>being a mere joke.  Are you sure they really are experts though?
>Or really know anything?
>
> If you feel the joke is in bad taste, complain to
>>the *posters* net account admin.
>
>Accounts are cheap and easy to get.  A surprising number of
>administers at various ISPs are SubGenii supporters, by the way.
>They think the "joke" is cool.  See how insidious it is?
>
>
>   If you go asking the authorities to
>>investigate the CoSG, you're just going to make yourself look silly -
>>because the authorities will find out it's a joke really quickly.
>
>They too will probably fall for the old "it's just a joke, just look at
>all this weird literature" gambit.  How would they know otherwise
>actually?
>
>>   Check the humour section of your local bookstore, (under "S" for
>>"Stang").  Chances are you'll find the Book of the SubGenuis in there -
>>under humour, where it belongs.
>>
>>    - Patrick McKinnion
>
    None of yar sugar coatin' ya bilgerat - we was foundered by Black 
Tench hisself, far ther perposes of sellin' yong virgins what we kidnaps 
to the Portagee fer 'ores ter the Turk fer Spannersh gold ter boot - and 
if ther yong ones wart we kidnaps bees too yong fer 'ores, we saccerfices 
'em ter Sam Hain - cuz we be CULTIC tooooooooooooooooooooo.
I bees givin ya me affadavie Mr Attarney Goovnar General - they bees 
dangersome bilgerats all and sherd walk the plank yer Lardship - me first 
if yer pleezes, arrrrrrr


>
>Remember, that's not what the cult is REALLY about, these books are just
>bait.
>
>Pope Charles
>SubGenius Pope Of Houston
>Slack!
>





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From: hannigan@tiac.net (Martin Hannigan)
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In article <33fb5d66.319508769@news.microserve.net>, dave@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
|> In <5t8gj8$7rl$1@usenet76.supernews.com>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
|> (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
|> -Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
|> -: In article <5t5acn$lpm$2@usenet76.supernews.com>,
|> -: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
|> -: >You are again misrepresenting my statement.  I said only that
|> -: >traditional Jewish teachings and Jewish communities tend to make
|> -: >very moral individuals.  If someone doesn't come from this sort
|> -: >of background then you can't force them to be moral.  It's hard
|> -: >to change someone's values and morals once they've got them
|> -: >pretty well set.
|> -: 
|> -: The implication is, then, that you *can* force someone who does come from
|> -: the sort of background to be moral.  You claim to come from this sort of
|> -: background.  So tell us, Ric, how does one go about forcing you to be moral?
|> -
|> -My moral background doesn't allow me to impose force on others, so I
|> -don't have any experience or knowledge about the possibilities of forcing
|> -someone to think and act a certain way.

Well, he sure is trying to impose some force above. He sure is a complete
embarassment to the jewish community.

|> Doesn't allow you to impose force but _does_ allow you to write, 
|> at http://www.paranoia.com/~ricardo/gladdead.html:
|> 
|> "I'm glad Ron Brown is dead
|> 
|>  I'm glad Commerce Secretary Ron Brown is dead. All 
|>  politicians deserve to die in pain. Congress should 
|>  sponsor a program to build the largest airplane 
|>  ever so they can fill it with all of the  
|>  politicians in Washington and then fly it into 
|>  the ground at high speed."
|> 
|> This is some "moral background" you've got Ric. Which branch of Judaism is
|> it that lets you say different things out of opposite sides of your mouth?  
|> 
|> I'd love to hear you rationalize your alleged moral upbringing against the
|> quote about Ron Brown but I'm certain you'll simply ignore this post, or try
|> to double-talk it away. 
|> 
|> But go right ahead, Ric. Give it a shot. There might be some poor sod out
|> there who just got his first taste of Usenet and is willing to believe
|> anything you say....

Rico, I'm disappointed in you. You truly are a racist Sir.

-- 
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Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

	Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
there shelves?

	Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?

	Or how about those people who were put out of business
because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?

	All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
you'd care tto mention?

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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

	Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
there shelves?

	Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?

	Or how about those people who were put out of business
because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?

	All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
you'd care tto mention?

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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

	Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
there shelves?

	Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?

	Or how about those people who were put out of business
because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?

	All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
you'd care tto mention?

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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

	Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
there shelves?

	Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?

	Or how about those people who were put out of business
because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?

	All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
you'd care tto mention?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <sessions@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Cyberpromo (was: Re: The Death of cyberpromo.com)
Date: 1997/08/21
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

So you're weighing in against Batly (aka SPud), the
group's self-proclaimed Southern BaPtist, for his
denomination's campaign against the Disney Corp.?

-- 
D. C. & M. V. Sessions
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg@monkeys.com) wrote:
> :
> : I have dedicated the last 9+ months of my life to putting him, and all those
> : like him out of business for good and PERMANENTLY this time.
> 
> Are you aware that it's illegal to attack someone's business with
> economic prejudice?  I salute you for being perfectly honest about
> your intentions, but what you are doing happens to be illegal.

	Really?  They why was is legal for various religious groups
to boycott Playboy and 7-11, to the point of censoring Playboy from
there shelves?

	Or the times that Proctor and Gamble has been similarly
boycotted because of some false information about P&G's beliefs?

	Or how about those people who were put out of business
because they were just out-sold, out-marketed, and out performed?

	All legal.  Why do you believe otherwise?  Any statutes
you'd care tto mention?

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David L. Cathey                      |Inet: davidc@montagar.com
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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: What a cutie!! Was: Re: One Good Looking Son of Bitch      Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/25
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On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:19:27 GMT, girlie@jedibitch.com (That Girl)
wrote:

>Personally, sinec I know how easy photo
>editors are to use these days, if anyone were to alter a picture, it
>would look so much worse. And considering the amount of time you spend
>on usenet, how can you even claim that you ever see the light of day!
>Of course your pale, bump!

May your rotting genitals be infested by nihilistic candiru.

Boursy rules this group



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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/25
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On 23 Jun 1997 01:00:11 -0400, hannigan@shore.net (Martin Hannigan)
wrote:

>>I recently gave a presentation on the Internet and showed the group how
>>I'm fighting for traditional Jewish values on the net - and my Rabbi got
>>me a contract for handling several local Jewish businesses.  We have
>>strong bonds and our community is respectful of its members.

Yes, it's that strong internal connectivity that causes genocides
every few decades.

                     SUPPORT THE WAR



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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: Masterbating Teen Girl teenmast.jpg
Date: 1997/06/25
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On 24 Jun 1997 00:40:57 GMT, asdf;lj3@;asldjf.com wrote:

>Looking for Dirty Schoolgirls Having Sex?  Well, then look no further, Nasty-Schoolgirls is your 
>source for the Nastyiest girls that will Fuck and Suck your Cock.

Well-targetted missive, I must say... you've reached the biggest group
of masturbators on lUSENET, news.admin.net-abuse.misc!


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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
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On 23 Jun 1997 03:30:26 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Liz Knuth (EKNUTH@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu) wrote:
>: Someone has rmgrouped news.admin.net-abuse.usenet .
>
>So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any pressure to
>accept them.

Or, as the FCC terms it, they are not mandate speech e.g. it is not
presupposed that they are taken as anything but recommendation.
Wheras a system like NoCeM leaves its operators liable to what they
fail to censor.

>: (Quite possibly the same) someone also attempted to create newgroup 
>: for news.admin.net-abuse.cancel-forgery .
>
>So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any pressure to
>accept them.
>
>Why is it always the case that when you don't agree with a particular
>newgroup or rmgroup message that you call it "net abuse"?  You're 
>crying wolf and making a mockery of the term "net abuse".

It's that nasty tactic of projection, I think.  Some people aren't
happy with the free will of others because they, themselves, fear
their own weakness.  So with this one, as others.

      SUPPORT THE EVIL EMPIRE OF SATAN


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On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:09:15 GMT, "Keith M. Lucas"
<sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote:

>Hint - a web page full of dubious news postings and
>including accusations of paedophilia doesn't count. A web page that
>carefully lays out _both_ sides of the argument, includes arguments
>from representatives from both sides and leaves the reader to decide
>for themselves will count.

Fuck the arguments - what if we've got bona fide imagery of one of the
major members of this group -- this cabal -- with underage (_very_
underage females) in a compromising position(s)?

We'll see who laughs last, caballistas.

EVIL TORT


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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Fight SPAM with a news_sig
Date: 1997/06/26
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Joseph Albert (jalbert@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: I have been using the news_sig shown below, and suggest that if as many
: people as possible used it, it might greatly reduce email spam.

You are exceedingly clever young man!

: =======================================================================
: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer, modem, or printer 
: meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
: it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. 
: By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is 
: punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,          
: whichever is greater, for each violation.  If you send an unsolicited
: commercial advertisement or solicitation to the email address in this
: posting, you are hereby agreeing to compensate me for my time spent
: reading your message at the rate of $500 per message, payable within
: 30 days of receipt of a bill, with interest accrued at a rate of 1%
: per month for unpaid bills and late payments.  
: =======================================================================

Instead of $500, why not make it $100,000,000,000,000?

That way if you get one illegal fax sent to your email address, you can
retire!!!

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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In news.admin.net-abuse.misc spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate <prozak@anus.com> wrote:
: On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:09:15 GMT, "Keith M. Lucas"
: <sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote:

: >Hint - a web page full of dubious news postings and
: >including accusations of paedophilia doesn't count. A web page that
: >carefully lays out _both_ sides of the argument, includes arguments
: >from representatives from both sides and leaves the reader to decide
: >for themselves will count.

: Fuck the arguments - what if we've got bona fide imagery of one of the
: major members of this group -- this cabal -- with underage (_very_
: underage females) in a compromising position(s)?

'Imagery' is so easily forged, however. If you have genuine photographs,
why don't you take them to the police? Why haven't we heard about this
before?  Where are the reports of arrests being made?


: We'll see who laughs last, caballistas.

I'll tell you this much... there'll be no laughter at 'anus.com'.

Nor among any of the 'Kook Kabal'.  

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From: boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy)
Subject: Re: I wonder WHO might have done this....
Date: 1997/06/27
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 ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
 -
 -kibo greps (kibo@shell.thecia.net) wrote:
 -
 -: Why is David C Lawrence still posting from UUNet?  Didn't they fire
 -: the motherfucker?  Can they sue him for theft of services?
 -
 -I heard he's been gone for a while.  One can only wonder what he's
 -thinking.

  Since he was a corporate officer at UUNET all the while trying to
maintain a monopoly on newsgroups it's of little wonder that
Lawarence has been instructed to lay low for awhile--it
is after all quite illegal.  Last I heard he was still with UUNET
(owned by MFS which is owned by Worldcom).

                           Steve
                           news.admin.censorship

 -
 --Ric G.
 -Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
 -"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
 -sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: I wonder WHO might have done this....
Date: 1997/06/27
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:  -: Why is David C Lawrence still posting from UUNet?  Didn't they fire
:  -: the motherfucker?  Can they sue him for theft of services?
:  -
:  -I heard he's been gone for a while.  One can only wonder what he's
:  -thinking.
: 
:   Since he was a corporate officer at UUNET all the while trying to
: maintain a monopoly on newsgroups it's of little wonder that
: Lawrence has been instructed to lay low for awhile--it
: is after all quite illegal.  Last I heard he was still with UUNET
: (owned by MFS which is owned by Worldcom).

So do you think Lawrence's utterly bizarre behaviour is related to 
UUNET or do you think he might be trying to pull tricks for someone
else now?  I heard someone bragging recently that their company had 
bribed Lawrence to lend a hand to their news operation and give them 
a monopoly of news group control.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/27
Message-ID: <MPG.e1d7f0a67284ad9897a0@news.earthlink.net>#1/1
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spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate wrote:
:
:Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
:
:>Liz Knuth (EKNUTH@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu) wrote:
:>
:>: Someone has rmgrouped news.admin.net-abuse.usenet .
:>
:>So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any 
:>pressure to accept them.
:
:Or, as the FCC terms it, they are not mandate speech e.g. it 
:is not presupposed that they are taken as anything but recommendation.
:Wheras a system like NoCeM leaves its operators liable to what they
:fail to censor.

  Exactly.


:>: (Quite possibly the same) someone also attempted to create newgroup 
:>: for news.admin.net-abuse.cancel-forgery .
:>
:>So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any pressure to
:>accept them.
:>
:>Why is it always the case that when you don't agree with a particular
:>newgroup or rmgroup message that you call it "net abuse"?  You're 
:>crying wolf and making a mockery of the term "net abuse".

  That's the cabal way over in news.admin.net-abuse.misc; amazing 
stuff there!  Anyone who has a differing perception from them is
engaging in 'net abuse'.


:It's that nasty tactic of projection, I think.  Some people aren't
:happy with the free will of others because they, themselves, fear
:their own weakness.  So with this one, as others.

  Quite true.  And their control has slipped away from them rather
quickly--most providers now have cancels turned off--after Chris
Lewis was recently caught red handed forging cancels on artilces
critical of himself all pretense of spam cancels has slide away
for anyone who is even a little bit honest.

                       Steve
                       news.admin.censorship

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:
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: School Yard Bully
Date: 1997/06/27
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Keith M. Lucas (sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk) wrote:
: In article <5oru5s$e7u@bonkers.taronga.com>,
: Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com> wrote:
: >You said I lied. I just proved I didn't. Can we gat back to the issue,
: >which is that you have no more proof that Hannigan's obese than I have
: >proof that your appearance is sufficiently horrifying to have the result
: >you implied in your message.

Mr. Hannigan has admitted to be severely overweight.  Why would someone
lie about themselves is such a negative manner?

: Does it matter ? I mean I thought being obese was practically
: considered normal in these enlightened days...

Watching TV for 4 hours a day like the average American is also considered
normal in these "enlightened days"...

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: .  blue spammer, gay commie
Date: 1997/06/27
Message-ID: <5p12bp$j60$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:
: 
: the blue spammer hit someone 15 times in a short period.
: 
: 
: when will the governments do somthing ?!
 
Like what?  Delete mail you don't like for you?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/27
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In article <33b0a10a.1456733@news.loop.com>,
spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate <prozak@anus.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:09:15 GMT, "Keith M. Lucas"
><sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hint - a web page full of dubious news postings and
>>including accusations of paedophilia doesn't count. A web page that
>>carefully lays out _both_ sides of the argument, includes arguments
>>from representatives from both sides and leaves the reader to decide
>>for themselves will count.
>
>Fuck the arguments - what if we've got bona fide imagery of one of the
>major members of this group -- this cabal -- with underage (_very_
>underage females) in a compromising position(s)?

And you've not already gone to the police ?

You don't think that might just make you look very slightly like a
child pornographer yourself ?

>We'll see who laughs last, caballistas.

Am I a cabal member now then ?

Where's me badge !?!?!

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Subject: Is Lawrence a Two Timer????  Was:  I wonder WHO might have...
Date: 1997/06/28
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>:
>:-: Why is David C Lawrence still posting from UUNet?  Didn't they fire
>:-: the motherfucker?  Can they sue him for theft of services?
>:-
>:-I heard he's been gone for a while.  One can only wonder what he's
>:-thinking.
>: 
>:  Since he was a corporate officer at UUNET all the while trying to
>:maintain a monopoly on newsgroups it's of little wonder that
>:Lawrence has been instructed to lay low for awhile--it
>:is after all quite illegal.  Last I heard he was still with UUNET
>:(owned by MFS which is owned by Worldcom).
>
>So do you think Lawrence's utterly bizarre behaviour is related to 
>UUNET or do you think he might be trying to pull tricks for someone
>else now? 

	Personally I think it's related to UUNET--and money of
course.


> I heard someone bragging recently that their company had 
>bribed Lawrence to lend a hand to their news operation and give 
>them a monopoly of news group control.
>

	I think the bastard owns too much stock in UUNET to
do that--his motive is money--unless it was MCI or something 
I doubt he'd just bail out.

			Steve
			news.admin.censorship


>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6





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Subject: Re: Yeah, right
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Rick Ellis (ellis@ftel.net) wrote:
: In article <5p167r$map$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: 
: >Isn't it amazing that he won't give a straight answer?
: 
: No, Ricardo, it isn't.  Why should he stoop to you level
: to answer such obviously false claims.

What makes you think it's "obviously false"?  People have posted
that they have pictures as evidence and numerous people have
reported either first hand or second-hand evidence, not to mention
the various newspaper reports that have been circulating.  While I
haven't been keeping up with any of the threads too closely, I think
it's worthy of our attention if one of the USENET controllers is
truly plagued by moral and possibly legal problems.

I am impressed with how much denial there is in the responses, which
reminds me of American politics where no one gives a straight answer
because they are apparently hiding something.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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In news.admin.net-abuse.misc Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:
: : when will the governments do somthing ?!

: Like what?  Delete mail you don't like for you?

Have you ever gotten a harassing phone call, Ricardo? Ever called the
police about it?

Same principle.


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From: chris nasipak <croaker@cyber3.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Fight SPAM with a news_sig
Date: 1997/06/28
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In news.admin.net-abuse.misc Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: Joseph Albert (jalbert@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: : I have been using the news_sig shown below, and suggest that if as many
: : people as possible used it, it might greatly reduce email spam.

: You are exceedingly clever young man!

<actual .sig snipped>

: Instead of $500, why not make it $100,000,000,000,000?

Because the $500 amount is specified by Federal law, Ricardo.
Try reading a post thoroughly before you throw in your two feces.


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From: wilhelp@ix.netcom.com (Bill Palmer)
Subject: Re: School Yard Bully
Date: 1997/06/28
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In <5p12q6$j60$2@news2.digex.net> ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) writes: 
>
>Keith M. Lucas (sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk) wrote:
>: In article <5oru5s$e7u@bonkers.taronga.com>,
>: Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com> wrote:
>: >You said I lied. I just proved I didn't. Can we gat back to the
issue,
>: >which is that you have no more proof that Hannigan's obese than I
have
>: >proof that your appearance is sufficiently horrifying to have the
result
>: >you implied in your message.
>
>Mr. Hannigan has admitted to be severely overweight.  Why would
someone
>lie about themselves is such a negative manner?
>
>: Does it matter ? I mean I thought being obese was practically
>: considered normal in these enlightened days...

No it isn't.  Sorry to disappoint anyone, but a fat slob
is still a fat slob and everything about Netstalker
Hannigan's posts suggest that they were "written" by a
fat-between-the-ears, reeking, greasy tub of trouble-making
lard.  His so called "Boursy FAQ", for instance, is nothing
more than a blueprint for netstalking.  That's net abuse,
and being obese shouldn't cut "tubby trouble" any slack.
>
>Watching TV for 4 hours a day like the average American is also
considered
>normal in these "enlightened days"...
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this
is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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Subject: Re: .  blue spammer, gay commie
Date: 1997/06/28
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chris nasipak (croaker@cyber3.servtech.com) wrote:
: In news.admin.net-abuse.misc Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: : Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:
: : : when will the governments do somthing ?!
: 
: : Like what?  Delete mail you don't like for you?
: 
: Have you ever gotten a harassing phone call, Ricardo? Ever called the
: police about it?

I've gotten one or two, then I hang up the phone instead of taking your
approach and acting hysterical about it.  When I get spam I delete it
and it's handled in a second instead of taking your approach and spending
a whole day trying to extract revenge and "responsibility" for it.

Do you really want to government to go after the phone company because
some percent of people will intitiate "phone abuse" against "victims"
like you?  Why do you want them to go after ISPs for the same "reason"?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Fight SPAM with a news_sig
Date: 1997/06/28
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chris nasipak (croaker@cyber3.servtech.com) wrote:
: 
: : Instead of $500, why not make it $100,000,000,000,000?
: 
: Because the $500 amount is specified by Federal law, Ricardo.

Hopefully people will stop the illegal faxing to your email address!  I
hate it when my mail spool is filled up with faxes that I didn't request!

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Yeah, right
Date: 1997/06/28
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: The problem with being the "good guys" is we can't turn around and pull
: the same slimey innuendos against you. We could do it so much better,
: with forty or fifty bogus accounts at each of several dozen ISPs all
: asking why Ricardo Gonzalez and Steve Boursy hadn't been arrested for
: engaging in obscene activities with a busload of Brownies on the observation
: deck of the Empire State Building.
: 
: But no. We have to be honest and ethical and restrict ourselves to the
: facts.
 
You guys just do more sneaky things to get back at people who monitor
your unethical and censorous activities.  There isn't really much in 
the way of honesty and ethics from your bunch, but you do get credit
for a well crafted cloak of propaganda that attempts to make it appear
like you are "saving" people from "wrong" ideas and "bad" posts.  So
we should be glad that you guys run USENET and exclude others from it.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Yeah, right
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In news.admin.net-abuse.misc Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: Rick Ellis (ellis@ftel.net) wrote:
: : In article <5p167r$map$1@news2.digex.net>,
: : Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:

: : >Isn't it amazing that he won't give a straight answer?

: : No, Ricardo, it isn't.  Why should he stoop to you level
: : to answer such obviously false claims.

: What makes you think it's "obviously false"?  People have posted
: that they have pictures as evidence and numerous people have
: reported either first hand or second-hand evidence, not to mention
: the various newspaper reports that have been circulating.  While I
: haven't been keeping up with any of the threads too closely, I think
: it's worthy of our attention if one of the USENET controllers is
: truly plagued by moral and possibly legal problems.

Ricardo, I ask again: If all these people have hard evidence, why
haven't they contacted the police and had Lewis arrested?  Why is he
still on the loose?  (And as for newspaper reports... what newspapers,
what dates?)

Show us your evidence, or cease making these allegations.

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From: fluffy@shore.net (Sir Fluffy d'Meow)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: "The Gooberbot"
Date: 1997/06/29
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:

> : Hey, Seth, could you straighten someone out for me? :-)  What if you get
> : 50 people to post "substantively identical" MESSAGES but with different
> : .sigs?  The exact opposite of what you just said.
> 
> It depends on whether or not the person cancelling messages like you or
> not.

Not so.  Fluffy has had His Articles cancelled on Occasion, and sometimes
NoCeM'd, by People who generally seem to like Him.

> The rules are flexible

No.  They are quite specific.  If they are flawed, the Problem is that the
Definitions are too specific.

> and seem to be enforced randomly

More correctly, News tends to be propagated somewhat randomly.
Responsible Spam Cancellers will not remove that which they cannot
personally confirm is Spam.

> and always favor friends.

No.  For an Example: The only Reason that Fluffy did not cancel the
daily Boursy FAQ Postings is that one of Fluffy's Access Providers
specifically prohibited the Practice {they wish to avoid high Bandwidth
Usage and prohibit all Bots, large or small}.  The major Spam Cancellers
did not receive enough Boursy FAQs to confirm that they were Spam.

Meow.
Fluffy
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: "The Gooberbot"
Date: 1997/06/30
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: Hey, Seth, could you straighten someone out for me? :-)  What if you get
: 50 people to post "substantively identical" MESSAGES but with different
: .sigs?  The exact opposite of what you just said.

It depends on whether or not the person cancelling messages like you or
not.  The rules are flexible and seem to be enforced randomly and always
favor friends.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>: Hey, Seth, could you straighten someone out for me? :-)  What if you get
>: 50 people to post "substantively identical" MESSAGES but with different
>: .sigs?  The exact opposite of what you just said.
>
>It depends on whether or not the person cancelling messages like you or
>not.  The rules are flexible and seem to be enforced randomly and always
>favor friends.

Which friends might you be referring to?




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Subject: Re: .  blue spammer, gay commie
Date: 1997/07/01
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> : Have you ever gotten a harassing phone call, Ricardo? Ever called the
> : police about it?

> I've gotten one or two,

I'm jealous.

> then I hang up the phone

What? You waste a perfectly good harassing call like that? Why don't you
at least TAPE it so you can share it with the rest of us who aren't so
lucky?



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Subject: Re: .  blue spammer, gay commie
Date: 1997/07/04
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in a few days 
i got over 2meg of spam

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From: mparson@roloc.bl.org (Michael Parson)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/07/08
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In article <ECG2BM.LEs@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk>,
Keith M. Lucas <sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote:
>In article <33b0a10a.1456733@news.loop.com>,
>spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate <prozak@anus.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>We'll see who laughs last, caballistas.

>Am I a cabal member now then ?

Either you're with him, or against him.  All those not with him 
are members of the Cabal.  Welcome, that guy over there will show
you the sooper-sekrit handshake.

>Where's me badge !?!?!

Badges?  We don't need no stinkin' badges!


-- 
Michael Parson
Mail sent to this posting host will not make it to me, to reply,
send to just the domain.



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Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: "The Gooberbot"
Date: 1997/07/09
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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:03:13 GMT, in <33b71387.885410884@nntp1.ba.best.com>, J Durbin <slothrop@poisson.com> wrote:
>ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>>: Hey, Seth, could you straighten someone out for me? :-)  What if you get
>>: 50 people to post "substantively identical" MESSAGES but with different
>>: .sigs?  The exact opposite of what you just said.
>>
>>It depends on whether or not the person cancelling messages like you or
>>not.  The rules are flexible and seem to be enforced randomly and always
>>favor friends.

>Which friends might you be referring to?

What does Jathon Durbin hate most about him dying from AIDS?

Leaving his friends behind.


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: ..   {%{.{{ *:}}:}iB:::.:.   "Did you beat up a faggot today?" 
.:.. . :.%\.\\l//:/i:}::.:.  
:.::. .  j%`.`-';'i.P:::.:.
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From: tam@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton)
Subject: Re: Something did happen on soc.org.freemasonry
Date: 1997/07/11
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In article <33c5e52b.4006541@news.inet.tele.dk>,
Lars Erik Bryld <no.spam@here.dk> wrote:

>A SPAM MESSAGE
>- from www.love.com (randy97)

Yep.  It seems to have been sent to every newsgroup I read regularly.

>Perhaps not totally irrelevant, but pray tell: how did it happen ???

It was most likely a simple forgery.

>I'm not familiar with the technical side of USENET groups, but I had
>the impression, that you couldn't post to a moderated group just like
>that.

Well, not just like that, but it is possible and is really not that
difficult if you happen to be passingly familiar with the "technical side
of USENET groups".
 
>Did this spam use something of the same kind of technique ??

He probably just got a large active file and posted to all of the groups. 

Tim


-- 
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Quest Consultants Inc.        http://www.questconsult.com/~tam
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From: "S.P." <NOMORESPAM@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: "Freedom Knights"--You are USEless.
Date: 1997/07/14
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You are an embarassment to the Internet community with your libelous
exploitation of pedophilia. USA Today is investigating the
"Binary-Bomber", and will become even more interested in doing so about
the NPA and CyberPromo debate if this new net-terrorist continues to
strike. We want nothing to do with any of you when the debate goes
off-line into the halls of Congress, where we know how to get things
done. You are as bad as the admins army of trolls, who haunt my threads
with their mighty *plonks*. Tim Skirvin wants to ban me, tells all to
ignore me: But none do. Old Salt reports me to AT&T for *spamming
n.a.n.a.m  And yet I am still a valued AT&T Worldnet customer. Why?
Camille Klein, the worst offender of privacy rights on the Internet,
notorious for posting her enemies addresses in the darkest corners of
USENET, brands me as the "Binary-Bomber". My ISP investigates the
charges, yet they do nothing. Why? The admins debate with me until our
threads run into the several thousands in just one month, while you are
ignored. Why? Because you are "nothing".

But you, you "Freedom Knights" are a disgrace. Look at what you have
done. Nothing. Look at what you have accomplished. Nothing. Look at
you--Nothing!

Here is a story about the good Dr. Fomin, who has utterly failed to
prove his libelous claims against Mr. Chris Lewis. It was inspired by
the good Doctor's inability to prove his charges, inspired by "Nothing".

			         A Good Trick

�My son,� said Dr. Fomin, �take the jug and fetch me some beer.�  Give
me the money, then, Doctor.�  �My son, to get beer with money, any body
can do that, but to get beer without money, that�s a trick.�  So the boy
takes the jug, and out he goes.  Shortly he returns, and places the jug
before Dr. Fomin.  �Drink�, said the son.  �How can I drink,� says the
Doctor, �when there is no beer in the jug?�  �To drink beer out of a
jug,� says the boy, �when there is beer, anybody can do that; but to
drink beer out of a jug where there is no beer, that�s a trick.



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From: rlindber@kendaco.telebyte.com (R Lindberg / E Winnie)
Subject: Re: "Freedom Knights"--You are USEless.
Date: 1997/07/14
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S.P. (NOMORESPAM@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: You are an embarassment to the Internet community with your libelous
: exploitation of pedophilia. USA Today is investigating the
: "Binary-Bomber", and will become even more interested in doing so about
: the NPA and CyberPromo debate if this new net-terrorist continues to
  I had been considering plunking SP simply to avoid the raving, but we
see a glimer that there is something other then a raving loon here.. em..

--
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN       <n7bsn@callsign.net>
RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/>
Just because MS-Windows holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's 
superior. Remember 90% of all animal's are insects.
  A proud member of the NetScum list http://www.netscum.net



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From: cathbad@netimation.com
Subject: postings not showing up
Date: 1997/07/19
Message-ID: <869337331.5470@dejanews.com>#1/1
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I have a question about why my postings to alt.pagan are not showing
up. I have had problems posting to this group for the last two to three
days and was wondering if my posts are getting caught up in the Carmlo
fiasco??? Can anyone answer to this? I have had no trouble whatsoever
posting to alt.religion.druid as well as answering querries or commenting
to crossposted articles so I am of the opinion that I am getting mixed
in with the Spammer trash.

I would really like to clear this up as I do not make a habit of harassing
those who use the groups to network, although I have harassed the spammers
in the past!!! What can I say??? It's a hobby.

Thanks for any help you can offer,
Tay

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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: EU.Net Needs a clue.
Date: 1997/07/24
Message-ID: <33d95654.238166078@nntp1.ba.best.com>#1/1
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I wonder what role "Fomin" had in the demise of anon.penet.fi?

Dr. Vladimir Il'ich Fomin <fomin@shell.thecia.net> wrote:

>On 18 Jul 1997 11:52:22 +0300, in <pgzoh80lp2x.fsf@kontti.Helsinki.FI>, Atro Tossavainen <Atro$Tossavainen%kill@spam.helsinki!fi> wrote:
>>orionca@earthlink.net (orionca) writes:
>
>>> >EUnet TAKES STRONG ACTION AGAINST SPAM
>>> The "Literary Bomber" is currently posting via EU.Net.  This is an
>>> amusing blurb from their web site:
>
>>What do you think is so amusing about it?
>
>>Mr. Johan Helsingius, of EUNet International, is one of the people who
>>*know*, *care* about and *do* things to keep the Internet safe, sane
>>(and consensual, some a.s.b.ers might continue :-). If you can remember
>>the anon.penet.fi server, well, that's Mr. Helsingius' work for you,
>>among other things.
>
>Julf was one of the biggest kiddie porn peddlers in ther world until he
>got shut down by the Finnish police, among other things.
>
>When is he going to jail for copyright violations?
>
>>-- 
>>Atro d0t Tossavainen a+ helsinki do+ fi, http://www.helsinki.fi/~atossava/
>>If present, remove spamblock before replying.
>>Spam me and have your provider terminate your contract.
>
>
>
>      .                ,      
>       `.    ____    ,'::.   
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> ....  .%{. //l\\::}iX}.:..    
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>.:.. . :.%\.\\l//:/i:}::.:.  
>:.::. .  j%`.`-';'i.P:::.:.
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> :::::.::.:..`l'::::.:.... 
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>  `---____-'     `-____---'




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From: Diane Mathews <dxyzm@hpbs2694.boi.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Christianity, humans in general.
Date: 1997/07/25
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Newsgroups trimmed by myself and my newsreader.
Some newsgroups were present more than once
unless that was my newsreader messing up.

Man_of_God wrote:

> Jesus Live today! You see there is a heaven and a Hell, Accept and
> beleive in Jesus and you'll go to heaven, reject Jesus and you'll go to
> Hell.
> 
> This is Good News, Jesus died for everybodies sins and Jesus rose in
> three days.  Satan is defeated.  The world tells you there are many ways
> to heaven, but that is a lie from the devil.  There is only one way to
> heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.  Only by the blood of Jesus,
> the atoning blood of Jesus covers our sins.
> 
> I'll be praying for you.

You keep posting the same stuff every single time, to many many
newsgroups.  This is getting awfully close to spamming.

-- 
FSDM #0.1/2	Komrade Snapperhead, 2nd Mate

My opinions; not my employer's opinions.



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From: lassettre.1@osu.edu (Carroll Lassettre)
Subject: Re: Moderate[d] Nazis?
Date: 1997/07/27
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In article <33D9D617.3079@earthling.net> mitchell@earthling.net writes:
>From: mitchell@earthling.net
>Subject: Moderate[d] Nazis?
>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:48:55 -0400

>There is a wild-eyed group styled misc.legal.moderated.  Led by a barely 
>literate albeit zealous book-burner.  Which newsgroup dances through 
>legal analysis and coherent reasoning, with aplomb similar to the 
>picture groups prevalent on the Usenet.
>        Its title intimates a higher level of legal sophistication.  
>However, these self-aggrandizing, self-appointed censors, laugh in the 
>face of coherent legal thought.  And instead, make their feeble attempts 
>to stifle anyone with dissenting views.  In fact, at the least 
>opposition they will use their miniscule intelligence, to attempt to 
>completely silence their antagonist [me].
>        MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED will, however, cater to the simple-minded, 
>moronic, and barely literate dregs.  Often culled from the misc.legal 
>group.
>        Anyone else ever thwarted, bullied, threatened, censored by the 
>purveyors of this MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED fascist dung-heap?  Any info wrt 
>this group will be held confidential.  And will be appreciated.  Email 
>if possible.
>Mitchell M. Eskenazi
>New Jersey
>-- 
>http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488
>Tiger Alert USA liason for MIHRA-UK [London]

If your above post resembles in any way the posts that have been rejected by 
the moderators of misc.legal.moderated, then the moderators are doing exactly 
what the voters that approved the creation of that newsgroup wanted them to 
do. Specifically, raising the signal of legal information of the newsgroup 
while reducing the noise of flaming posts like the above. 

Cordially, Carroll Lassettre.
Go MotherBucks! Buck Michigan! 




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From: mitchell@earthling.net
Subject: Re: Moderate[d] Nazis?
Date: 1997/07/27
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Carroll Lassettre wrote:
> 
> In article <33D9D617.3079@earthling.net> mitchell@earthling.net writes:
> >From: mitchell@earthling.net
> >Subject: Moderate[d] Nazis?
> >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:48:55 -0400
> 
> >There is a wild-eyed group styled misc.legal.moderated.  Led by a barely
> >literate albeit zealous book-burner.  Which newsgroup dances through
> >legal analysis and coherent reasoning, with aplomb similar to the
> >picture groups prevalent on the Usenet.
> >        Its title intimates a higher level of legal sophistication.
> >However, these self-aggrandizing, self-appointed censors, laugh in the
> >face of coherent legal thought.  And instead, make their feeble attempts
> >to stifle anyone with dissenting views.  In fact, at the least
> >opposition they will use their miniscule intelligence, to attempt to
> >completely silence their antagonist [me].
> >        MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED will, however, cater to the simple-minded,
> >moronic, and barely literate dregs.  Often culled from the misc.legal
> >group.
> >        Anyone else ever thwarted, bullied, threatened, censored by the
> >purveyors of this MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED fascist dung-heap?  Any info wrt
> >this group will be held confidential.  And will be appreciated.  Email
> >if possible.
> >Mitchell M. Eskenazi
> >New Jersey
> >--
> >http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488
> >Tiger Alert USA liason for MIHRA-UK [London]
> 
> If your above post resembles in any way the posts that have been rejected by
> the moderators of misc.legal.moderated, then the moderators are doing exactly
> what the voters that approved the creation of that newsgroup wanted them to
> do. Specifically, raising the signal of legal information of the newsgroup
> while reducing the noise of flaming posts like the above.
> 
> Cordially, Carroll Lassettre.
> Go MotherBucks! Buck Michigan!

	Well, it got _someones_ attention.  One "pro" and yourself.  
Most simply, are you a competent legal professional, and have you ever 
posted to that Group?
Sincerely, etc
-- 
http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488



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From: mitchell@earthling.net
Subject: Re: Moderate[d] Nazis?
Date: 1997/07/28
Message-ID: <33DC1F35.5EC9@earthling.net>#1/1
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Carroll Lassettre wrote:
> 
> In article <33D9D617.3079@earthling.net> mitchell@earthling.net writes:
> >From: mitchell@earthling.net
> >Subject: Moderate[d] Nazis?
> >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:48:55 -0400
> 
> >There is a wild-eyed group styled misc.legal.moderated.  Led by a barely
> >literate albeit zealous book-burner.  Which newsgroup dances through
> >legal analysis and coherent reasoning, with aplomb similar to the
> >picture groups prevalent on the Usenet.
> >        Its title intimates a higher level of legal sophistication.
> >However, these self-aggrandizing, self-appointed censors, laugh in the
> >face of coherent legal thought.  And instead, make their feeble attempts
> >to stifle anyone with dissenting views.  In fact, at the least
> >opposition they will use their miniscule intelligence, to attempt to
> >completely silence their antagonist [me].
> >        MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED will, however, cater to the simple-minded,
> >moronic, and barely literate dregs.  Often culled from the misc.legal
> >group.
> >        Anyone else ever thwarted, bullied, threatened, censored by the
> >purveyors of this MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED fascist dung-heap?  Any info wrt
> >this group will be held confidential.  And will be appreciated.  Email
> >if possible.
> >Mitchell M. Eskenazi
> >New Jersey
> >--
> >http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488
> >Tiger Alert USA liason for MIHRA-UK [London]
> 
> If your above post resembles in any way the posts that have been rejected by
> the moderators of misc.legal.moderated, then the moderators are doing exactly
> what the voters that approved the creation of that newsgroup wanted them to
> do. Specifically, raising the signal of legal information of the newsgroup
> while reducing the noise of flaming posts like the above.
> 
> Cordially, Carroll Lassettre.
> Go MotherBucks! Buck Michigan!	An initial queery- Is the reply poster a competent legal 
professional
who has posted/attemted to post there?
        Perhaps I was too inFLAMatory.  Maybe god created _this_
uncensored newsgroup, to counterbalance and expose these corrupt,
incompetent, pre-law student _cum_ heavy-handed censors/legal system 
infiltrators
/moderators.  Perhaps a pre-requisite for moderators, ought to be
the reasoning ability to perform at Tic-Tac-Toe.
Mitchell Eskenazi
NY/NJ

-- 
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From: lassettre.1@osu.edu (Carroll Lassettre)
Subject: Re: Moderate[d] Nazis?
Date: 1997/07/28
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In article <33DC1F35.5EC9@earthling.net> mitchell@earthling.net writes:
>From: mitchell@earthling.net
>Subject: Re: Moderate[d] Nazis?
>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 00:25:25 -0400

>Carroll Lassettre wrote:
>> 
>> In article <33D9D617.3079@earthling.net> mitchell@earthling.net writes:
>> >From: mitchell@earthling.net
>> >Subject: Moderate[d] Nazis?
>> >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:48:55 -0400
>> 
>> >There is a wild-eyed group styled misc.legal.moderated.  Led by a barely
>> >literate albeit zealous book-burner.  Which newsgroup dances through
>> >legal analysis and coherent reasoning, with aplomb similar to the
>> >picture groups prevalent on the Usenet.
>> >        Its title intimates a higher level of legal sophistication.
>> >However, these self-aggrandizing, self-appointed censors, laugh in the
>> >face of coherent legal thought.  And instead, make their feeble attempts
>> >to stifle anyone with dissenting views.  In fact, at the least
>> >opposition they will use their miniscule intelligence, to attempt to
>> >completely silence their antagonist [me].
>> >        MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED will, however, cater to the simple-minded,
>> >moronic, and barely literate dregs.  Often culled from the misc.legal
>> >group.
>> >        Anyone else ever thwarted, bullied, threatened, censored by the
>> >purveyors of this MISC.LEGAL.MODERATED fascist dung-heap?  Any info wrt
>> >this group will be held confidential.  And will be appreciated.  Email
>> >if possible.
>> >Mitchell M. Eskenazi
>> >New Jersey
>> >--
>> >http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488
>> >Tiger Alert USA liason for MIHRA-UK [London]
>> 
>> If your above post resembles in any way the posts that have been rejected by
>> the moderators of misc.legal.moderated, then the moderators are doing exactly
>> what the voters that approved the creation of that newsgroup wanted them to
>> do. Specifically, raising the signal of legal information of the newsgroup
>> while reducing the noise of flaming posts like the above.
>> 
>> Cordially, Carroll Lassettre.
>> Go MotherBucks! Buck Michigan!        An initial queery- Is the reply poster a competent legal 
>professional
>who has posted/attemted to post there?
>        Perhaps I was too inFLAMatory.  Maybe god created _this_
>uncensored newsgroup, to counterbalance and expose these corrupt,
>incompetent, pre-law student _cum_ heavy-handed censors/legal system 
>infiltrators
>/moderators.  Perhaps a pre-requisite for moderators, ought to be
>the reasoning ability to perform at Tic-Tac-Toe.
>Mitchell Eskenazi
>NY/NJ

>-- 
>http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/1488

I am not a competent legal professional. I am a computer programmer with a 
curious interest in the law. That is, I have no professional interest in the 
law. I occasionally post to misc.legal and rarely to misc.legal.moderated. 
I have had posts accepted and rejected by the moderators. I can remember 
once for too much quoted material, and another time for not enough legal 
content. 

Actually God created misc.legal first and then seeing His legal Garden of Eden 
incinerated by too much flamage and wackiness, created misc.legal.moderated.
Both groups really complement each other. Misc.legal.moderated focuses on 
legal issues. Whereas misc.legal allows discusion of the effects of legal 
issues. Such as the social, economic, and political effects.

Cordially, Carroll Lassettre. 
Go MotherBucks! Buck Michigan! 




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Subject: Re: Troll Patrol: Proliferation of junkmail to the Internet: What to do?
Date: 1997/07/31
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In article <5rotub$170_006@thepope.basis.com>,
Michael Martinez <michaelm@swcp.com> wrote:
>In article <5r6nk7$8ii$1@news.thecia.net>, the terrible troll Dr. Vladimir 
>Il'ich Fomin <fomin@shell.thecia.net> spuriously sputtered:
>>It's easier to ignore the self-appointed "Usenet Administration" - a bynch
>>of thugs, crooks, schizophfrenics (like Tim Brown), Methadone addict
>>Sally Monde, etc - that's the kind of Net.Scum that forges cancels
>
>So, what, exactly, is a "bynch"?

Kind of like a lynch mob only smaller.

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From: "S.P." <wtravis@swbell.net>
Subject: CAUCE, Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and Martin Hannigan Harrass S.P.!!! SPUTUM SPEWING EMAIL HATRED OF THE NOBLE NET KNIGHT!!!
Date: 1997/08/03
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S.P., the noble net-knight, has been informed that, because of certain
incorrect data I provided SWBELL when opening an account, that my ISP
Select, opened by me at Netscape.com for a 30 day trial period, will be
terminated.


Well, my SWBell account will soon be history, although my identity still
remains beyond even Andrew Gierth and Ron Schwartz. Yes I am M. Enlow.
Yes I am Neil Cain. Yes I am Ralph McGehee (see my DejaNews Profile
under this handle, if you dare.) Yes I am Richard Robert Byrd. Yes I am
James Lockhart Paul. Yes! I AM S.P.!!!!

My thanks to SPUTUM, the Leather-clad Masters of Chris Lewis, Jan Isley,
Maritn Hannigan and CAUCE. In honor of of these net.scum, I post another
wonderful email to me, no doubt, sent to me by one of Jan Isley's
tightly bound net-slaves, or one of Chris Lewis' psychosexual
sex-syncophants, or Martin Hannigan's grubby-handed net-goons.

Alas, soon S.P., the noble net-knight, will no doubt lose another
account, thanks to the work of Tiny Tim Skirvin, Crusty Chris Lewis,
Ignominious Jan Isley, Mucous-like Martin Hannigan, and all the ugly and
physically replusive robot gaming kooks of SPUTUM, not to forget the
goddess of net.slime--Camille Klein.

Yes, we poor netizens need cabal leadership such as you net.scum
provide, for unlike you, I will not narc to your ISPs when you send me
your hate mail. I will not pull your net-plugs, nor will I pull the
butt-plug jammed in the rump of Ron Schwartz, Jeffrey Prime Slime Smith,
or Chris Lewis himself. Keep your plugs. I do not want them.

And so I shall post all night tonight, and destroy the arguments and
reputations of each one of the cabal slime who have once again succeeded
in pulling my plug at an ISP. And yet, on this account, I committed no
violation of my TOC. You are all cabal scum, and I do warn those of you
who live in Austin to tread lightly next time you brag at Mezzaluna's,
Dance Across Texas, or at Charlies, where most of you no doubt
congregate. Yes, tread lightly with you fingers, fellow Texans.

Here is the latest email from Chris Lewis or a SPUTUM droning, robot
gaming kook.

-----
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Subject: Re: Make money fast using your sister!

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How did you do it Mike?
------------

"Make money fast using your sister!" Yes, you Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and
Martin Hannigan, I know that you are behind this somehow. You, we are
learning, are very close to the scum of the Internet, the slime that is
Camille Klein, and the spewy goo that is SPEWTUM.

After my posting spree, and my pending plug pulling, I will be back, as
Phoenix the Kleenex wiping net.slime himself, to post again and again
and again...

S.P.



-- 
"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
sing for maidens and youths
songs never heard before."



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Old Salt wrote:

>         Hahahahahahaha, damn you can't even hang on to any account for
> a week can you.  This is really bad S.P.  Maybe you should buy stock
> in all the phone companies first before getting your next account.
> This way you can tell them how important you are.

Old Salt, these people know how important you think that you are:

S. Silverman
L. Rosenthal


>         You mean they are canceling your account for lieing, what did
> you do. Give them a false CC number?

I got the account through ISP Select, and was creative with the id
information I provided to them. But SPEWTUM is behind it, I am sure.
Besides, I have an ISP with a 56k connect. I only post with the slow
connects.

>         You know, I really think the people in this NG should lay off
> of you. After all, you do more to put yourself down then any of us
> can.

You got me there, Salt. I can put down people at this NG better than any
of the amatuer crackers and wannabe writers that try to put me down. You
got me there, Salt: The people at this group lack my skill at the artful
put-down, of which you know so much about, more than most, I'd say.


>         You lose accounts faster then any one I have ever known. Even
> when you don't spam or mailbomb some one. You still can't keep an
> account more then a few days.

SPEWTUM is responsible. I admit that they are good at being bad. They
mob me up and down the wires.

>         I really feel sorry for you.

You speak to soon, Salt. I intend to go out of this account with a
spam-bang latter this morning. It is you that I feel sorry for, Salt.

S.P.

-- 
"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
sing for maidens and youths
songs never heard before."



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Subject: Re: CAUCE, Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and Martin Hannigan Harrass S.P.!!! SPUTUM SPEWING EMAIL HATRED OF THE NOBLE NET KNIGHT!!!
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Old Salt wrote:

> >S. Silverman
> >L. Rosenthal
> 
>         Who are they "Two Live Jews"

Nope. They're two big ones at FTC. You did nothing wrong. It's the
sleazy ISPs everyone wants to crucify, mostly because they don't block
kiddie porn. Why don't they, Salt? Forget about our differences for a
moment and just answer me, why doesn't AT&T just block
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen? We know why, Salt. Do you?

>         You didn't read what I wrote. I said you do more to damage
> your self then anyone here does. In other words, as a Tx can under
> stand it. You shoot yourself in the foot to many times to be able to
> walk.

You got me again, Salt. I can do more damage to myself than the clueless
lamers at this NG. I dare say you are a better writer than all of them
combined, except you don't come close to me. However, I like your unique
spellings of certain words. I, too, could care less about spellcheckers.
Your misspellings are some of the best moments at this NG.
 
>         How are they responsible when you yourself said "because of
> certain incorrect data I provided SWBELL when opening an account" Did
> SPEWTUM hold a gun to your head and make you provide the incorrect
> data?

BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD STOP TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO I AM (WHICH IS
ABSOLUTLY IMPOSSIBLE) THEN I WOULD NOT HAVE TO REGISTER UNDER FICTITIOUS
NAMES!!!

>         Hahahahahaha, what you going to do mail bomb me again. Gee
> that should take all of 2 secs to remove from the mail server.  Oh you
> didn't know I can now delete mail on the server now did you.  I will
> keep one of them for legal reasons.

I never mailbombed you. I saw that post of yours. That came from the
public library downtown. The person apparently opened a throwaway
Hotmail account for the sole purpose of bombing you to frame me. SPEWTUM
claims that they have hacks here in Autin. They did it, no doubt. Why
else would S.P. have been put on the bomb? Man, Salt, you are naive. You
are a recent immigrant to our country, I know, from Bosnia, but man,
Salt, get a clue.

I plan on going out of this account tonight with a spam-bang of posts to
this NG, just in your honor.

And Old Salt, SPEWTUM and Dr. DynaSore are the Binary Bomber. They chose
you to forge so it would look to all like it was me.

S.P.
-- 
"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
sing for maidens and youths
songs never heard before."



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Old Salt wrote:

>         Sure it is called the carrier law.

Nope, wrong answer.

>         Gee, then why did you blame me for you losing your account at
> Austin Freenet?

I never had a Freenet account, Salt.


> Since all I did was send them the mailbomb with full
> headers.

The mailbomb you posted shows that the IP traces to a public terminal at
the downtown library. Freenet donated 8 terminals to this library.
Anyone can go there, open a throwawy hotmail, and bomb away.


> If you didn't do it they would now that by checking there
> logs.

Nope, there is no way you would have known how Freenet provides access
to all the public libraries in Austin. They have a pipe that runs to the
University of Texas. They ask people to sign up when they log on, but
people can forge their names when doing so. Several crackers I know use
the public terminals and Freenet when they need to remain absolutely
anon. If I had mailbombed you, I would not have used my handle.

I guess you did do it, since that account got yanked.

Nope, no account was yanked. Freenet has no way of determining who was
at what terminal, so whoever did it is no doubt one of these worthless
SPEWTUM scum who want to fight me here in Austin. These creeps are
framing me up and down the net as the Binary Bomber. We want a peice of
these SPEWTUM Scum. They combined are the Binary Bomber.

>         Tell me can you type a single line with lieing?  I guess not.

You sure seem to be defending SPEWTUM. Maybe you were in on it too.
Check out Camille's net.scum page. They already figured it out that she
conspired with Dr. DynaSore to frame me and DOS USENET.

BTW, why are you always using x-no-archive? Afraid of recording your
posts at Deja. Deja is located just down the street from me. Why don't
you archive your posts? What are you afraid of?

S.P.


-- 
"I hate and shun the profane crowd.
Be silent! I, priest of the Muses,
sing for maidens and youths
songs never heard before."



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Subject: Re: CAUCE, Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and Martin Hannigan Harrass S.P.!!! SPUTUM SPEWING EMAIL HATRED OF THE NOBLE NET KNIGHT!!!
Date: 1997/08/04
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In article <33E52C89.3AF9@swbell.net>, wtravis@swbell.net says...
> S.P., the noble net-knight, has been informed that, because of certain
> incorrect data I provided SWBELL when opening an account, that my ISP
> Select, opened by me at Netscape.com for a 30 day trial period, will be
> terminated.
> 
> 
> Well, my SWBell account will soon be history, although my identity still
> remains beyond even Andrew Gierth and Ron Schwartz. Yes I am M. Enlow.
> Yes I am Neil Cain. Yes I am Ralph McGehee (see my DejaNews Profile
> under this handle, if you dare.) Yes I am Richard Robert Byrd. Yes I am
> James Lockhart Paul. Yes! I AM S.P.!!!!
> 
> My thanks to SPUTUM, the Leather-clad Masters of Chris Lewis, Jan Isley,
> Maritn Hannigan and CAUCE. In honor of of these net.scum, I post another
> wonderful email to me, no doubt, sent to me by one of Jan Isley's
> tightly bound net-slaves, or one of Chris Lewis' psychosexual
> sex-syncophants, or Martin Hannigan's grubby-handed net-goons.
> 
> Alas, soon S.P., the noble net-knight, will no doubt lose another
> account, thanks to the work of Tiny Tim Skirvin, Crusty Chris Lewis,
> Ignominious Jan Isley, Mucous-like Martin Hannigan, and all the ugly and
> physically replusive robot gaming kooks of SPUTUM, not to forget the
> goddess of net.slime--Camille Klein.
> 
> Yes, we poor netizens need cabal leadership such as you net.scum
> provide, for unlike you, I will not narc to your ISPs when you send me
> your hate mail. I will not pull your net-plugs, nor will I pull the
> butt-plug jammed in the rump of Ron Schwartz, Jeffrey Prime Slime Smith,
> or Chris Lewis himself. Keep your plugs. I do not want them.
> 
> And so I shall post all night tonight, and destroy the arguments and
> reputations of each one of the cabal slime who have once again succeeded
> in pulling my plug at an ISP. And yet, on this account, I committed no
> violation of my TOC. You are all cabal scum, and I do warn those of you
> who live in Austin to tread lightly next time you brag at Mezzaluna's,
> Dance Across Texas, or at Charlies, where most of you no doubt
> congregate. Yes, tread lightly with you fingers, fellow Texans.
> 

Congratulations to the Cabal (TINC)!

SP, whoever you are, please learn from this experience. Mature, 
emotionally secure humans know when to cut their losses and either move 
on to something more constructive or adapt to the situation by modifying 
their behavior. Unfortunately, you've acted like a spoiled little brat 
and done neither.

Please move on, and best of luck to you. You'll need it.


-- 
Douglas Adams
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In article <33E52C89.3AF9@swbell.net>, S.P. <wtravis@swbell.net> wrote:
>S.P., the noble net-knight, has been informed that, because of certain
>incorrect data I provided SWBELL when opening an account, that my ISP
>Select, opened by me at Netscape.com for a 30 day trial period, will be
>terminated.

You.. ticked the box for "I won't be libelling people, falsely
accusing them of mailbombing, making insinuations about their sexual
practices and otherwise making a pain in the neck of myself." ?

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Subject: Re: CAUCE, Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and Martin Hannigan Harrass S.P.!!! SPUTUM SPEWING EMAIL HATRED OF THE NOBLE NET KNIGHT!!!
Date: 1997/08/05
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Douglas Adams wrote:
> SP, whoever you are, please learn from this experience. Mature,
> emotionally secure humans know when to cut their losses and either move
> on to something more constructive or adapt to the situation by modifying
> their behavior. 

So you are saying that the Cabal (TISACSMF) is neither emotionally secure
nor mature? 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
  >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet

A king who feared wasps once decreed that they would be abolished.

As it happened, they did him no harm. But he was eventually stung to death
by scorpions.



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Subject: Re: CAUCE, Chris Lewis, Jan Isley and Martin Hannigan Harrass S.P.!!! SPUTUM SPEWING EMAIL HATRED OF THE NOBLE NET KNIGHT!!!
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Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org> wrote...
:
:Douglas Adams wrote:
:
:>SP, whoever you are, please learn from this experience. Mature,
:>emotionally secure humans know when to cut their losses and either move
:>on to something more constructive or adapt to the situation by modifying
:>their behavior. 
:
:
:So you are saying that the Cabal (TISACSMF) is neither emotionally 
:secure nor mature? 


  That's a fair assessment--yes.

                        Steve
                        news.admin.censorship

:-- 
:Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
:  >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<
:Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet
:
:A king who feared wasps once decreed that they would be abolished.
:
:As it happened, they did him no harm. But he was eventually stung to death
:by scorpions.
:



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Date: 1997/08/05
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Douglas Adams wrote:
> SP, whoever you are, please learn from this experience. Mature,
> emotionally secure humans know when to cut their losses and either move
> on to something more constructive or adapt to the situation by modifying
> their behavior. 

So you are saying that the Cabal (TISACSMF) is neither emotionally secure
nor mature? 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
  >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet

A king who feared wasps once decreed that they would be abolished.

As it happened, they did him no harm. But he was eventually stung to death
by scorpions.



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From: see@sig.to.reply (Ron Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Net Terrorism   Was: UUNet UDP got their attention
Date: 1997/08/08
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On 8 Aug 1997 22:10:43 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Charles Trew (db559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>: >  -Terrorism does tend to attract attention, so you guys are using a
>: >  -historically successful technique to support your pathological motives.
>: >  -If that's all you were looking for then congratulations.  But don't
>: >  -be too surprised when people who dislike your techniques and politics
>: >  -retaliate with terrorism of their own.
>: 
>:         What are they going to do, send more spam?
>
>It's only a matter of time before someone fed up with net.scum behavior
>intiates physical violence against them.  Most people dislike being the
>victims of your terrorism and a few of those will take matters into
>their own hands at your expense.  It's unfortunate that things work that
>way, but when there are no other alternatives, violence becomes the
>last possible option for some people.

Sounds like you're rattling before you strike.


-- 
Comments to me by Timothy Nelson <nelsont@radix.net>, official
spokesman for Aristole.org:

"You are a fool, ignorant, an instigator, and generally an asshole."
"You are the reason that spam exists."
"You are a disease that permeates normal, constructive conversation
on the internet."
"It is an opt-in list, not an opt-out list."
"I am an employee of Aristotle.  Anything I post here should be considered
a post from Aristotle."
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In article <33A19147.67A151C4@spinne.com>, Jeff Garzik
<jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:

> Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > I will cancel Ricardos article where he forged Boursy's photo
> > address forthwith.
> 
> 
> I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?

Jesus Jeff let Marty have a little fun. I mean, you've got these other
"rogue" motherfuckers like Cipher and Stanley the Cowlick III forge
cancelling by the hundreds, why yank Marty's leash like that?

I say let him off the choker chain and let that fat dog run. Roll tape..


> -- 
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> News Administrator                                 INN Technical info
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Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
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Martin Hannigan wrote:
> Jeff Garzik  <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
> >I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?

> It is. But according to the rules the way Ricardo writes them,
> if you are "forge quoted" you should cancel the article.


Murder is wrong, so let's commit more murder to show people how wrong it
really is.

Do you live your life according to the rules that Ricardo writes?
-- 
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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com>
Subject: restraint (was Re: Boursy photo online)
Date: 1997/06/13
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J Durbin wrote:

> Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
> >Do you live your life according to the rules that Ricardo writes?

> This is a dilemma for a lot of people especially in n.a.n-a.*. The
> rascals and vandals can say/do whatever they want (defamation, lies,
> poetry festival-style newsgroup bombs, rogue cancels, etc.) and we are
> restrained from responding else we're chided by people like you.

My point is that you don't respond in kind, doing unto others as they
have done unto you.  You have to rise above that, or you are no better
than those you accuse.

This of course means different things to different people; what it means
to me is that name calling, on- and off-line harrassment, and the like
are not what I would consider "adult behavior," not worthy of a response
at all.  Just ignore it.

> I'd say Martin's and others' responses have been quite restrained
> given the provocation.

I didn't comment on his restaint, or the lack thereof; I was commenting
instead of the quality of his response.  When I see people do silly
things like name calling, name changing, e.g. Steven Boursy to Stevun
Beerschwack, my immediate instinct is that the poster is some high
school freshman trying out their parents' Internet account for the first
time.

	Jeff



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Subject: not fun (was Re: Boursy photo online)
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impLAnt wrote:
> Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
> > Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > > I will cancel Ricardos article where he forged Boursy's photo
> > > address forthwith.

> > I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?

> Jesus Jeff let Marty have a little fun. I mean, you've got these other
> "rogue" motherfuckers like Cipher and Stanley the Cowlick III forge
> cancelling by the hundreds, why yank Marty's leash like that?


I am not enthused by content-based cancels, by the hundreds or even just
a couple.  Moreover, he seemed in blatant disregard for 'net etiquette
and standards by cancelling a post not of his own authoring.  I don't
lift a finger to stop rogue cancels anymore, though; like many news
admins, we just don't bother processing cancels at all.  Doing so
immediately robs the pseudo-moderators of their self-proclaimed powers,
providing the customer audience with the widest possible selection of
news articles.
-- 
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From: erfoster@ziplink.net (Ed Foster)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online (such a pity when cousins marry)
Date: 1997/06/13
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In article <5nph6f$mrj$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
(Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

> Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
> : 
> : For all of you interested in Boursy, you can view what this net.abuser
> : looks like at http://www1.shore.com/~hannigan/docs/boursy.html.
> 
> Just because you don't like his ideas doesn't make him a "net.abuser".
> Why do you insist in defining others as enemies when they don't
> agree with your opinions and then pursuing them personally instead
> of debating their ideas?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Ah, ricky, you somehow escaped from my bozo bin, so here's your response. 
Your hyprocrisy is absolutely amazing. "Why do you insist in defining
others as enemies when they don't agree with your opinions" - a perfect
description of goober, 'bump and the rest of the loon platoon.  "pursuing
them personally instead of debating their ideas?"  Need I bring up his
recent lies about me?  How would you characterize bump's lie "Edmund R.
Foster sucks everybody's cocks at Draper Labs."  Boy, that surely is
"debating an idea."

I and others have repeatedly asked bump to back up his allegations such as:

1.  He'll shut down the next Massachusetts ISP that cancels an account
based on content.  Since that empty threat, ziplink and IDT pulled his
account.  Does he admit that neither of these were based on content.  If
not why didn't he follow through on his threat?  This question has been
asked of him many times.  He has yet to respond.

2.  He'll put the netscum pages up on IDT, and if IDT takes them down
he'll put them up on AOL.  He hasn't followed through on either threat,
and hasn't responded to the many questions as to why not.

Bump doesn't debate.  He rants.  But when anyone asks him to back up his
rants with documention, he slinks away.  When anyone askes him when he'll
fulfill his empty threats, he slinks away.  I've listed only two quite
specific threats boursy's made, but there are many others, do I need to
remind you of them?  When's he either going to follow through on them or
admit that he a lying little weasel?  Why are you so stupid as to ask a
question gets you this as an answer?  Why do I know you won't respond to
this?

-- 
Ed Foster
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Subject: Re: Bite Back With a Bomb
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In article <5noldn$pai@news-central.tiac.net>,
Modemac  <modemac@shell1.tiac.net> wrote:
>In news.admin.net-abuse.email Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>> Chris Lewis is cancelling posts critical of his practices, for example
>> those that mention his netscum page (http://www.netscum.net/lewisc0.html).
>
>Prove it.
>
>Show us some cancels, and compare them to the message-IDs of the postings
>that were allegedly cancelled.

Surely the fact that that posting wasn't cancelled should count as
evidence directly to the contrary anyway..

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From: girlie@jedibitch.com (That Girl)
Subject: What a cutie!! Was: Re: One Good Looking Son of Bitch      Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/14
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On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:59:29 -0400, boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings)
wrote:

Headers snipped and subject altered, just to make that Boursy-cutie
smile!

(snip)

>  This is typical Martin Hannigan--not only does
>he forge others direct, alter photographs of them,
>etc. but he's frequently boasted of content based
>cancels.  But all in all that is a good thing--he
>is really what the cabal is all about.

Alter photos of people? When did he do that? I mean, how could he make
you look any more attractive than you do in that picture! (oh, but I
am joking!)

>  I finally broke down and checked the website--it
>is indeed a photo of me that was published in the
>Boston Phoenix when they did a story on me.  Hooligan
>altered the photo--made me look very pale, took away
>my arms, etc. but all in all I'm still one good looking
>son of bitch even with his doctoring.

Hmmm... It couldn't just be that it was a black and white photo and
your arms are in the SHADOWS?! Personally, sinec I know how easy photo
editors are to use these days, if anyone were to alter a picture, it
would look so much worse. And considering the amount of time you spend
on usenet, how can you even claim that you ever see the light of day!
Of course your pale, bump!

>  What I find amusing about this though it his 
>obsession with me--it's been a long standing act
>of stalking on his part--I think his true purpose
>is to build investor confidence in Firefly--the 
>Emailling List Kings.  Imagine any respectable
>company entrusting their data to such a person--
>wouldn't happen.

Obession with you? Do you not find that your pretty freaking obsessed
with him? And you keep spouting all this firefly-king of mailing lists
shit. That honor goes to the hosts of your stupid netscum page,
Cyberpromo. And I think they would be so hurt if they found out that
you were pointing that finger at someone else...

Oh, and even thought I've got a firefly login, I've never received any
mail from them. Funny, since I've probably gotten spamed from every
place on earth =)


>                      Steve
>                      news.admin.censorship


Hmmm and why do you sign your messages like that? Do you claim to own
that group too?

-Misty




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From: boursy@dhp.com (boursy)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/14
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>
>: Jeff Garzik  <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
>:
>:>Martin Hannigan wrote:
>:>
>:>> I will cancel Ricardos article where he forged Boursy's photo
>:>> address forthwith.
>:>
>:>
>:>I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?
>: 
>: It is. But according to the rules the way Ricardo writes them,
>: if you are "forge quoted" you should cancel the article.
>
>I never stated that "rule" and don't believe in it.  Stop making
>up lies to justify your net abuse. 
>
>: Ricardo forge quoted, I cancelled.
> 
>You seem to wear your net abuser status proudly.


	He does indeed.  But the good thing is that
he demonstrates quite openly to all what the cabal
is really all about.  Chris Lewis atleast makes an
effort to cover up content based cancels--Hannigan
does so with pride.

		Steve
		news.admin.censorship


>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy





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Subject: Restraint or Restraining Order? (was Re: Boursy photo online)
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In article <33A1F6E3.8BF572B@spinne.com>, Jeff Garzik
<jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:

> J Durbin wrote:
> 
> > Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
> > >Do you live your life according to the rules that Ricardo writes?
> 
> > This is a dilemma for a lot of people especially in n.a.n-a.*. The
> > rascals and vandals can say/do whatever they want (defamation, lies,
> > poetry festival-style newsgroup bombs, rogue cancels, etc.) and we are
> > restrained from responding else we're chided by people like you.
> 
> My point is that you don't respond in kind, doing unto others as they
> have done unto you.  You have to rise above that, or you are no better
> than those you accuse.

Relax, Jeff. Everyone here knows thweet Jathon to be the Queen Bitch of
n.a.*. I mean, look at her leering seething vernacular. "People like you."

You'd think a lousy little pillow biter like Jathon would know better.

> This of course means different things to different people; what it means
> to me is that name calling, on- and off-line harrassment, and the like
> are not what I would consider "adult behavior," not worthy of a response
> at all.  Just ignore it.
> 
> > I'd say Martin's and others' responses have been quite restrained
> > given the provocation.
> 
> I didn't comment on his restaint, or the lack thereof; I was commenting
> instead of the quality of his response.  When I see people do silly
> things like name calling, name changing, e.g. Steven Boursy to Stevun
> Beerschwack, my immediate instinct is that the poster is some high
> school freshman trying out their parents' Internet account for the first
> time.
> 
>         Jeff

Now, Jeff. Marty can be rather.. ah, articulate when it suits his needs.
Read this stunning slice of snakey slithering and decide for yourself who
has any sense of ethics around here.

This message was posted to a coworker of a friend of mine who has no
connection with USENET whatever and I don't think has ever even posted
here. Look at the date:

> Received: from blinky.firefly.net (209.6.33.226) by t1.com
>  with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1); Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:46:38 +0000
> Received: from gateway.firefly.net (gateway.firefly.net [209.6.33.249])
>           by blinky.firefly.net (8.8.5/mailhub-firefly1.02) with ESMTP
>      id KAA02315; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from fleet.firefly.net (fleet.firefly.net [10.100.0.171]) by
> gateway.firefly.net (8.8.5/relay-Firefly-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA11957; Mon,
> 9 Jun 1997 10:17:17 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from big-man.firefly.net (big-man.firefly.net [10.100.0.100]) by
> fleet.firefly.net (8.8.5/1.01postmaster@firefly.net) with ESMTP id
> KAA29789; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: (from hannigan@localhost) by big-man.firefly.net
> (940816.SGI.8.6.9/1.01postmaster@firefly.net) id OAA10232; Mon, 9 Jun 1997
> 14:17:15 GMT
> From: "Martin J. Hannigan" <hannigan@firefly.net>
> Message-Id: <199706091417.OAA10232@big-man.firefly.net>
> Subject: Suspicious Activities
> To: patrick@t1.com
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:17:15 -0400 (EDT)
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25]
> Content-Type: text
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good Morning Sir,
> 
> For some time now, we've been having some trouble with 
> some people subscribing our employees to mailing lists, 
> playing games with mail headers causing massive bounces to 
> our site and mailers and other problems.
> 
> A lot of the activity has pointed to someone named 
> 'Alex Anespy' who runs wire-in.com and broadcasts himself
> as wireinfo@wire-in.com. 
> 
> We've conducted a lot of investigation and it appears as
> though it may be one of your employees, Alex or Al McAnespy.
> 
> I must admit, I have no direct evidence pointing to your site
> as the kickoff point, but based on the above, I was hoping
> that if you keep logs of telnet activity that you would
> be willing to take some action. 
> 
> We also received a threat in writing to be attacked by 
> "3 teenagers with pony tails" utlizing DEC Alpha
> equipment. Perhaps this matches your environment?
> 
> These are sites that are being telnetted to and may show up
> in your logs:
> 
> thecia.net - ISP
> UUNETCUSTB - A dialup/fronted ISP in Cleveland Ohio
> Phoenix.NET - ISP
> alt.net - ISP
> aol.com - ISP (has tcp/ip client that works on Internet).
> 
> There's also a whole slew of insecure IBM VM/SP TCP/IP
> installations as well, which I'd be happy to forward to 
> you if you are able to match any of the above.
> 
> Any help you could offer to prove, or disprove this would
> be helpful. I don't mean to be accusatory, but a lot
> is pointing at Mr. McAnespy.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Martin Hannigan   (hannigan@firefly.net)       Voice: 617.528.1099
> Firefly Network, Inc. - Network Operations   
> Network Engineer                     www.firefly.net
>                               Semper Cabalis

Note that Martin has been repeatedly told, even in private e-mail, that my
name is not Alex.

Notice the forced association between Firefly and the Cabal here. It's
this kind of shit for which Firefly is going to pay thru the nose..

-iMp
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Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
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On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:45:41 -0400, Jeff Garzik
<jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:

>Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> Jeff Garzik  <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
>> >I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?
>
>> It is. But according to the rules the way Ricardo writes them,
>> if you are "forge quoted" you should cancel the article.
>
>
>Murder is wrong, so let's commit more murder to show people how wrong it
>really is.

Some of you people take this shit way too seriously.




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Revenge tactics against Lewis, Skirvin, etc, etc
Date: 1997/06/14
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
:
: If one of the respected spam cancellers notifies me that my faq
: about you is a spam, I will reduce it's posting accordingly.

Why do you expect that your spam will get different treatment just
because your friends run the cancel system?  Do you think any other
spammers get notified about their spam with requests to reduce the
frequency of their spam?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Hannigan's negative attitude (was Re: 80 year old women)
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>
>Devin L. Ganger (lewst@teleport.com) wrote:
>
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: 
>: : Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: : : 
>: : : It's just really sick when you can't beat someone and you have to 
>: : : resort THAT LOW.   
>: :  
>: : I think you've got a serious attitude problem.  Why do you insist on
>: : making net abuse into an issue where you are trying to "beat someone"?
>: : Answer that one Mr. Hannigan.
>: 
>: Am I hearing this correctly?
>: 
>: He's telling people to stop harrassing innocent parties and *you* say
>: *he's* got the attitude problem?
>: 
>: Can you possibly try to explain the thinking behind that one?
>
>Mr. Hannigan has already explained this by his attempts to "beat someone"
>by posting and publicizing a picture a picture of someone who differs in
>opinion with him.  Mr. Hannigan makes an "enemy" of people who don't
>believe what he believes and tries to pursue them personally to cause
>them harm.
>
>While this is a net-abuse group, no one seems to be saying anything
>critical about Mr. Hannigan's behaviour and many seem to be enjoying
>their ability to cause others pain.  This is grand hypocrisy.
>

	Well the cabal has always been that way--take a look
at Chris Lewis (and his apologists for that matter)--Hannigan
has been spamming on a daily basis--Lewis claims not to have
realized it while at the same time he cancelled over 30 
posts with completely different content--by no means spam 
and all because each one also gave a citation to his
the netscum web page where he is featured and/or had the
nerve to critisize Nortel.

			Steve
			news.admin.censorship


>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6





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Subject: Bunch of Pigs  Was:  Revenge tactics against Lewis, Skirvin, ...
Date: 1997/06/15
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>:
>:If one of the respected spam cancellers notifies me that my faq
>:about you is a spam, I will reduce it's posting accordingly.
>
>Why do you expect that your spam will get different treatment just
>because your friends run the cancel system? 


	Because Chris Lewis has already made it quite clear
that Mr. Hannigan is receiving preferential treatment--it's
why Lewis is referred to as a net.scum.


>Do you think any other spammers get notified about their 
>spam with requests to reduce the
>frequency of their spam?
>

	All in the family you know--bunch of pigs
really.

			Steve
			news.admin.censorship




>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6





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Subject: Re: Revenge tactics against Lewis, Skirvin, etc, etc
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>:
>: If one of the respected spam cancellers notifies me that my faq
>: about you is a spam, I will reduce it's posting accordingly.
>
>Why do you expect that your spam will get different treatment just
>because your friends run the cancel system?  Do you think any other
>spammers get notified about their spam with requests to reduce the
>frequency of their spam?
As the spam canceller's know him, yes they would notify him (and cancel
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Pierre Pierre Blais <ppblais@nortel.ca> wrote:
: In article <5mfji1$ja9$1@news1.rmi.net>,
: Bea and Marvin Jones <jonz@shell.rmii.com> wrote:
: >Steve Dover (swd@strata-group.com) wrote:
: >
: >: No flame here.  I'm here in the US and totally agree.  It should be a
: >: universal standard to format dates as YYYY/MM/DD or YYYYMMDD or 
: >: whatever masking characters you want (keeping YYYY before MM before
: >: DD).  
: >: This eliminates all confusion and also allows easy sorting!

: 	See ISO 8601 for a better definition of the format.
: >
: >No flame here either...
: >Yes!  Let's force 5 billion folks on this planet to conform 
: >with the way computers want to sort data.
: ><g>

: 	Let's be serious, there aren't that many people who use the
: 	Gregorian calendar...

: 	In Canada, we all moved to the metric system a while back.  Our
: 	kids can't even answer the following simple question anymore:

: 	   "How many inches in a foot?"

: 	(Even more confusing to them is the French version, liberally
: 	translated:  "How many thumbs in a foot?".)

According to Catherine Hampton, there are exactly two and a half
inches in Chris Lewis's dick.  It never gets hard.

: 	My point is, if you start somewhere, especially schools, you
: 	can convert any country to anything...

Is that why your co-worker, the Chris Lewis motherfucker, has been
forging thousands of cancels for Usenet articles that he didn't post?

Is that why your employer, Bell North Forgery Research / Norther Telecom
forgers, has been condoning Chris Lewis's crimes, and even let the 
fucker use their computers for his forgeries?

: 	PP
: >
: >Jonesy
: >MainFrame since 1966
: >--
: >Marvin Jones  jonz@rmi.net
: >Gunnison, Colorado
: --
: -- 
: [Pierre Pierre Blais, ift.a.        | E-mail: ppblais@nortel.ca    ]
: [Nortel, P.O. Box 3511, Station C   | Tel:    +1 (613) 763-3071    ]
: [Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7    | Fax:    +1 (613) 765-2186    ]
: [ISO 8601 defines date formats as yyyy-mm-dd. Why don't you use it?]

Is that the date format that the Chris Lewis motherfucker uses on
his forged cancels?

-- 
-=| KIBO is EVERYWHERE! |=-



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From: jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Subject: $50,000 Reward for the Arrest & Conviction of Chris Lewis
Date: 1997/06/15
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In article <5nuef2$fbm@dhp.com>, 
boursy@dhp.com (boursy) wrote:
>        He does indeed.  But the good thing is that
> he demonstrates quite openly to all what the cabal
> is really all about.  Chris Lewis atleast makes an
> effort to cover up content based cancels--Hannigan
> does so with pride.
>                Steve
>                news.admin.censorship

I read information yesterday that a $50,000 reward is to be announced for the 
arrest and conviction of Chris Lewis.  Do you know if this will apply to other
forgers as well?

Jai Maharaj
jai@mantra.com
Om Shanti

Copyright (C) 1997 Mantra Corporation - All Rights Reserved.



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Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward for the Arrest & Conviction of Chris Lewis
Date: 1997/06/15
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> 
> I read information yesterday that a $50,000 reward is to be announced for the
> arrest and conviction of Chris Lewis.


Sounds like a pretty safe, no pay-off offer. Why not make it a round
number like a million-zillion dollars?

Jack Mingo



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From: boursy@shell.thecia.net (Stephen Boursy)
Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward for the Arrest & Conviction of Chris Lewis
Date: 1997/06/16
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Organization: Complete Internet Access inc.
Keywords: forgery Chris Lewis Internet news Jai Maharaj
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X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97)


Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai@mantra.com> wrote:
>
>In article <5nuef2$fbm@dhp.com>, 
>
>boursy@dhp.com (boursy) wrote:
>
>>        He does indeed.  But the good thing is that
>> he demonstrates quite openly to all what the cabal
>> is really all about.  Chris Lewis atleast makes an
>> effort to cover up content based cancels--Hannigan
>> does so with pride.
>>                
>
>I read information yesterday that a $50,000 reward is to 
>be announced for the arrest and conviction of Chris Lewis.  


	It should be one of those wanted dead or alive
type of posters.  Are they still legal in this country?


>Do you know if this will apply to other forgers as well?
>

	Personally I think it should apply to any who
have conspired with him--sys admins, etc.

			Steve
			news.admin.censorship


>Jai Maharaj
>jai@mantra.com
>Om Shanti
>
>Copyright (C) 1997 Mantra Corporation - All Rights Reserved.





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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Boursy FAQ Stops.
Date: 1997/06/16
Message-ID: <5o2h8a$6uu$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: I've decided to stop posting the "Boursy Info FAQ" daily as there
: is a question as to why the cancellers haven't snagged it since it's
: been posted daily for over a month and if the methodology of handling
: "Supersedes" is correct.

There's no question about why the cancellers haven't snagged it.  Those
who cancel are your allies and excuse your net abuse as long as you are
on their side.  Now if you were to post a "Chris Lewis" FAQ you know 
you'd be cancelled extremely quickly and it wouldn't take a few months
of continual spam for him to cancel your posts.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: Neil <neil@njmcov.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward for the Arrest & Conviction of Chris Lewis
Date: 1997/06/16
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In article: <33aa4f66.269567592@news.microserve.net>  dave@frackit.com 
(Dave Ratcliffe) writes:

> Followups severely trimmed just to piss off Stephe.

that makes you a butthead then....

> --
> Dave Ratcliffe      
> dave@frackit.com
> 
> 
-- 

Neil McAliece

neil@mcaliece.net






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From: "Keith M. Lucas" <sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk>
Subject: Re: Not a Dime's Worth of Difference   Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/16
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In article <MPG.e0c731cd71cc8cf989781@news.earthlink.net>,
ISP_Ratings <boursy@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>  Here here.  Decent service providers ignore cancels anyway--
>over 95% of which are forged by those other than the author
>(check the newsgroup 'control').  I don't see any difference
>between Hannigans attitude and that of Chris Lewis.

Sorry.

Just checked -- this still isn't true. Hey, here's an idea, if you
repeat it even more often maybe it will be...

[ Newsgroups trimmed because, well, it's a free internet and I can do
ANYTHING I want with no regard for others apparently. ]

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From: bem@news.cmc.net (brian moore)
Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward for the Arrest & Conviction of Chris Lewis
Date: 1997/06/17
Message-ID: <5o4qi7$4d7$1@news.cmc.net>#1/1
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In article <33A48881.1B3@pacbell.net>,
	Jack Mingo <mingo@pacbell.net> writes:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>> 
>> I read information yesterday that a $50,000 reward is to be announced for the
>> arrest and conviction of Chris Lewis.
> 
> 
> Sounds like a pretty safe, no pay-off offer. Why not make it a round
> number like a million-zillion dollars?

A google!

-- 
Brian Moore                      The opinions expressed above are my own, not
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker          necesarily my employers'.



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Spam, BI=45, from Firefly.net, 1-888-HELP-FLY (Was: Please Apologize Mr. Lewis)
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Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
: -
: -I don't start flame wars and I don't have any enemies (at not any alive that
: -I know of).  I'm here to stop net abuse and that's what I concentrate on.
: 
: Oh. So THAT'S why you started picking on the goyim in n.a.n-a.m and claiming
: Jews were better. Gotcha. What a novel way to fight net-abuse... 

I didn't pick any fights.  I simply pointed out that it was odd that those
who were making the noise (Hannigan, Ratcliffe, Skirvin, Manson, and 
others) are goyim.  People who have traditional Jewish moral training
simply wouldn't behave the way that those disruptive individuals did.

In response to my comments, I received thoughtful email from Jews and
goyim alike and at least one goy mentioned publicly that he wanted to
convert and cleanse himself of his filthy, immortal past.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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boursy@dhp.com (boursy) wrote:

>Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>>
>>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>>:
>>:If one of the respected spam cancellers notifies me that my faq
>>:about you is a spam, I will reduce it's posting accordingly.
>>
>>Why do you expect that your spam will get different treatment just
>>because your friends run the cancel system? 
>
>
>	Because Chris Lewis has already made it quite clear
>that Mr. Hannigan is receiving preferential treatment
Let's have some proof.

If you can't/won't provide any, it'll just prove you lied again.





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From: jreagan@mcs.net
Subject: Re: No Principles  Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/17
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Felix wrote:
> 
> boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
> >  But Neil--Martin Hannigan has no principles--that much is clear.
> >See http://www.netscum.com/ for further information on Firefly--
> >the emailing list kings.
> Steve, why do you tell Neil this 20 times every day? 

You act as if SpeedBump could actually come up with something
of value to post...

> You've given him
> the URL many, many times before.  Could you possibly be writing it for
> the benefit of others reading the message?  Perhaps it's for those
> who've never heard of you.  In that case, they should check out your
> FAQ.
> 
> The Boursy FAQ is at
> 
> http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/boursy.html
> 
> and The Speedbump Faq is at
> 
> http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/sbfaq.html



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EskWIRED (eskwired@shore.net) wrote:
: 
: : Additionally, newgroup and rmgroup messages are in theory advisory, but
: : you guys lash out with demands for account removal when someone that you
: : don't like sends them, or someone sends them for a group you don't
: : approve of.  Why not LEAVE IT ALONE and let the private owners of 
: : computer equipment figure out how they'll handle it.  The software
: : lets the private owners do whatever they want.  Why not let them
: : figure out how they want to handle control messages without any
: : influence or demands?
: 
: This shit is getting totally loopy.
: 
: Most news admins do exactly what Ric suggests.  

So then do you accept that all control messages are advisory and that
anyone can send them because the news software allows for trivial
filtering of those messages?  There are many people in this group
who only think that the "official" controllers of USENET should be
allowed to send them, and that others who send them are automatically
"net abusers".  

: Could it be that we all 
: agree?  Ric--what's wrong with admins leaving the INN default settings
: as-is, so that they accept only newgroups sent out by Tale? 

Because then there is no real forum for any others to send advisory messages.
There should be at least a dozen people sending newgroup messages, with
various ideologies, so that news administrators can have a reasonable set
of options instead of one person's preferences that they are left having
to either fully accept or fully reject.

: There is a 
: perception that the Freedom Knughts feel that this is a problem.  But your 
: post above suggests that you believe that "the private owners of computer 
: equiptment [should] do what ever they want".

As long as there are options and options are supported, I support an
open system that lets numerous, "non-official" people send any control
messages they like.  I am not aware of the Freedom Knights' position on
this issue and am not a member of that group, but as a rational exercise
it's simple to see why there should be options for private owners of
computer equipment, instead of letting them have "freedom" to select
from a single choice (Tale).

: What gives?   Why is or isn't it ok for a news admin to accept or
: reject newgroups, rmgroups and cancels exactly as he wishes to?

As long as he doesn't have to conform to a default and there are lots
of choices from differing ideologies, there's no problem at all.  News
admins should be free to find representatives that share their values
instead of having to elect a single person (tale) who may not represent
their values.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/18
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On 13 Jun 1997 10:10:36 -0400, hannigan@shore.net (Martin Hannigan)
wrote:

>Why do you deny being goat when it's been proven you are in fact
>goat?

Hey, GOAT lives over in alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death and I am sure a
few seconds of observation will reveal that ricardo is not GOAT.  

EVIL

|/|-----------------------------------------------|/|
 |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- '..burning as I fall.." |
 | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |
 |         ...are the spirit of evil...            |
 |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |
|/|-----------------------------------------------|/|



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Subject: Re: Bunch of Pigs  Was:  Revenge tactics against Lewis, Skirvin, ...
Date: 1997/06/18
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On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:33:44 GMT, Sc@Cat.com (Felix) wrote:

>>	Because Chris Lewis has already made it quite clear
>>that Mr. Hannigan is receiving preferential treatment
>Let's have some proof.
>
>If you can't/won't provide any, it'll just prove you lied again.

No, it'll "prove" he didn't provide any.  You Quabbalah guys are
illiterate when it comes to logic...  

EVIL


|/|-----------------------------------------------|/|
 |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- '..burning as I fall.." |
 | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |
 |         ...are the spirit of evil...            |
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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/18
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On 14 Jun 1997 11:47:46 -0400, boursy@dhp.com (boursy) wrote:

>	He does indeed.  But the good thing is that
>he demonstrates quite openly to all what the cabal
>is really all about.  Chris Lewis atleast makes an
>effort to cover up content based cancels--Hannigan
>does so with pride.

Hey Steve, I'm hearing great things about this photo.  Where can I
view it, since Hannigan's site seems to have fallen to the crusade of
the chosen ones!

EVIL

|/|-----------------------------------------------|/|
 |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- '..burning as I fall.." |
 | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |
 |         ...are the spirit of evil...            |
 |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/18
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spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate (prozak@anus.com) wrote:
: On 13 Jun 1997 10:10:36 -0400, hannigan@shore.net (Martin Hannigan)
: wrote:
: 
: >Why do you deny being goat when it's been proven you are in fact
: >goat?
: 
: Hey, GOAT lives over in alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death and I am sure a
: few seconds of observation will reveal that ricardo is not GOAT.  

I guess that means it's time to post the FAQ again.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
---------------------------------------------------------------

FAQ: Discerning the Subtle Differences Between Ricardo Gonzales and
     GOAT for Identification Purposes

I. About this FAQ
II. Who is Ricardo
III. Who is GOAT
IV. How to tell the difference
V. Why you might be confused

I. About this FAQ

1. Why does this FAQ exist?

This FAQ was written to clear up the confusion that many readers of
news.admin.net-abuse.misc experienced when in their clinically
paranoid worldview two new voices spoke clearly against them and
identified them as members of a shared mindset, an intellectual Cabal
which fears the freedom of the Internet.

2. Who wrote this FAQ?  Who posts is?  Why do you care?

<a href=http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/>GOAT</a> wrote this.  I am
posting it.  GOAT says: I care because I can envision a better way.

II.  Whois: Ricardo Gonzales

[ Ricardo, can you get me any biographical information for this?  I
don't really know how to express it, and a writing sample might be
nice ]

Ricardo Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> is a computer and social
thinking pioneer who posts lengthy critiques of existing society and
its hypocrises in the hope of ideological enlightenment of the general
public.  For this reason his postings piss off a lot of people.  He
favors concrete logic and mathematical, surgical reasoning to
explicate his points.

The Cabal hates him for showing them up for being the paper tigers
they are, and consequently deride him as insane, but reading Ricardo's
prose makes me think of a very careful and diligent journalist who has
thought each angle and made a decision based on his knowledge of the
situation - an extensive database.  His writing shows study of
language, an appetite for complexity, and a logical method of
refinement that rewards him with cogent deconstuctionist explications
of systems and methods.

III.  Whois: GOAT

GOAT <goat@anus.com;http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/goat.html> is a
writer living in Los Angeles who expresses himself with metaphor and
pattern comparison response rather than a more technical outlook.  His
vision is of total destruction of any form of power hierarchy on the
Internet.

Many Cabal members use words like "psychotic" and "insane" and
"asshole" to describe GOAT, of which he acknowledges only the latter.

IV. How to tell the Difference

If the poster is using technical words in direct syntax explaining and
then questioning, or very carefully skewering his opponents, it is
probably Ricardo.  This is usually indicated by a field named
something like "From:" which will read "Ricardo@Paranoia.Com".
Ricardo is not GOAT.

If the poster is "goat@anus.com", the "Summary" line says FUCK YOU and
the language is metaphorical and the vision seemingly insane, it is
probably GOAT.  He is not Ricardo.

V.  Why You Might Be Confused

When criticized, most humans react defensively as they fear the loss
of autonomy from someone else altering their worldview through dynamic
explication or denial.  Consequently, it is very easy to become
paranoid and imagine an enemy, a "Satan" or mythical feared archetype
of race/sexuality, and to group your enemies.

On a lesser level members of the so-called USENET Cabal (an informal
grouping of like-minded people who aspire to run USENET news through
cancelations of offending messages and intimidation of ISPs) and
others who perpetuate unnecessary and oppressive power structures may
find themselves confusing Ricardo and GOAT, and villifying them
unnecessarily.  This paranoia can be alleviated by recognizing that
more than one person or entity at a time will hate you for your
actions which violate the respect, the space, and the aspirations of
others.

There are a variety of treatments that could be recommended with
corresponding pharmaceutical complexities.  Write to GOAT@anus.com for
suggested treatment.




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From: aball@concentric.net
Subject: A Bulk Friendly MLM ISP?
Date: 1997/06/18
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This is not good. I got an email enticing me to use the 1stFamily.com
service for bulk emailing. Now I see this all over usenet.

 A DOWNLINE BUILDER THAT BEATS THEM ALL!!
From:         networker@1stfamily.com
Date:         1997/06/18
Message-Id:   <33A82B29.2FA6@1stfamily.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.business.multi-level,alt.business.home.pc,alt.business.misc
[More Headers]

What's the HOTTEST item out there.......THE INTERNET! 

Do you know anybody that's "online"??
Do you know anybody that's coming "online"??
Do you know anybody that wants to get "online"??

Start your DOWNLINE with all of the ABOVE!! It's simple! Send them to
your own DOWNLINE BUILDER. We tell you the name of the company and the
product beforehand! No mystery here! 

Go get your FREE Downline Builder Web Page:
http://netcenter.com/freepage/sta7820.html

Then go visit the Company web site: http://www.1stfamily.com

And DON'T forget your Sponsors ID:  sta7820

Thank you,
Marty Stasiak
1stFamily Charter Member




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Subject: Re: A Bulk Friendly MLM ISP?
Date: 1997/06/18
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[n.a.n-a.e added to the newsgroups line]

aball@concentric.net wrote:
> 
> This is not good. I got an email enticing me to use the 1stFamily.com
> service for bulk emailing. Now I see this all over usenet.
> 
>  A DOWNLINE BUILDER THAT BEATS THEM ALL!!
> From:         networker@1stfamily.com
> Date:         1997/06/18
> Message-Id:   <33A82B29.2FA6@1stfamily.com>
> Newsgroups:
> alt.business.multi-level,alt.business.home.pc,alt.business.misc
> [More Headers]
[drivel deleted]

Although you should post full headers, which would determine where this
shit was injected from, 1stafamily.com is a known spam factory.  They
claim to be an ISP, but they are not.  They are some kind of MLM ripoff
artists.  I never seen anything from them except non-stop spamspew. 
Their access provider is linknet.net.  Here are some complaint
addresses:

postmaster@1stfamily.com, theboss@1stfamily.com, midam@1STFAMILY.COM,
ugprofitg@1STFAMILY.COM, lynne@1STFAMILY.COM, encoresoft@1STFAMILY.COM,
telebotics@1STFAMILY.COM, freeservice@1STFAMILY.COM, dns@linknet.net,
GOD@LINKNET.NET, rguidry@LINKNET.NET, postmaster@linknet.net

I seem to recall that they also rent UUnet POPs, so drop a line to
fraud@uu.net as well.

--
Sam - member, talk.politics.misc troll patrol



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From: "Keith M. Lucas" <sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk>
Subject: Re: No Principles  Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/18
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In article <33b09393.20000279@207.126.101.78>, Felix <Sc@cat.com> wrote:
>boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
>>See http://www.netscum.com/ for further information on Firefly--
>>the emailing list kings.
>Steve, why do you tell Neil this 20 times every day?  You've given him
>the URL many, many times before.  Could you possibly be writing it for
>the benefit of others reading the message?  Perhaps it's for those
>who've never heard of you.  In that case, they should check out your
>FAQ.

RFD: Boursy's postings are substantially identical and therefore
cancellable...

----------------------------------------------+--------------------------------
"It's not a personality.. it's a bulldozer"   | Current project: Computer
sillywiz at excession dot demon dot co dot uk | wargaming's next generation...
----------------------------------------------+--------------------------------
IQ test in my email address. Humans can solve it to reply, spambots can't (yet)
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: fake rmgroups for .usenet, .misc
Date: 1997/06/22
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arthur wouk (awouk@nyx10.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: i just checked to different ISPs and found that
: news-admin.net-abuse.misc and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet were bogus.

No group is "bogus" or "legitimate".   USENET is a voluntary anarchy
and control messages are only advisory.

: i assume that fake rmgroups have been sent out.

No rmgroup message is "fake" or "real".  USENET is a voluntary anarchy
and control messages are only advisory.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: fake rmgroups for .usenet, .misc
Date: 1997/06/22
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>No group is "bogus" or "legitimate".   USENET is a voluntary anarchy
>and control messages are only advisory.

I suggest that all news admins henceforth ignore any and all newgroup
messages in all hierarchies.

jd
--
jason durbin
slothrop@poisson.com
stop reading here <---



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Subject: Re: I wonder WHO might have done this....
Date: 1997/06/23
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kibo greps (kibo@shell.thecia.net) wrote:
: Why is David C Lawrence still posting from UUNet?  Didn't they fire
: the motherfucker?  Can they sue him for theft of services?

I heard he's been gone for a while.  One can only wonder what he's
thinking.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <5okqki$avj$2@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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References: <5okam0$1q3@alvarez.physics.csbsju.edu>
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Liz Knuth (EKNUTH@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu) wrote:
: Someone has rmgrouped news.admin.net-abuse.usenet .

So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any pressure to
accept them.

: (Quite possibly the same) someone also attempted to create newgroup 
: for news.admin.net-abuse.cancel-forgery .

So?  Control messages are advisory.  You are not under any pressure to
accept them.

Why is it always the case that when you don't agree with a particular
newgroup or rmgroup message that you call it "net abuse"?  You're 
crying wolf and making a mockery of the term "net abuse".

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: 
: This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of following the policies
: and procedures.

The policies and procedures are largely self-referential and have little
or no objective basis.  David Lawrence has done a number of sneaky and
deceitful things and you're well aware of that.

: And you know all this. Doesn't your Rabbi disapprove of making statements
: you know to be false?

I recently gave a presentation on the Internet and showed the group how
I'm fighting for traditional Jewish values on the net - and my Rabbi got
me a contract for handling several local Jewish businesses.  We have
strong bonds and our community is respectful of its members.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: "Carlos Myers" <farix@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: Spammers
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <01bc7f97$d7244940$8e5e4781@dream>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 251939676
References: <33ABF62D.6FEC@corinthian.net> <01bc7e83$0483e6e0$LocalHost@default>
Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian,news.admin.net-abuse


Gin Petty <ky.gin@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<01bc7e83$0483e6e0$LocalHost@default>...
> 
> Wallace King <iwk@corinthian.net> wrote in article
> <33ABF62D.6FEC@corinthian.net>...
> > It seems the spammers love this ng. If they were really psychics, they
> > would know to stay off this ng.
> > 
>  
> 	The psychic posters are giving the net.abuse folks fits.  They've used 5
> different ISPs in 5 days, some sort of record, I think.

Are they don't anything about all the SEX spam that has hit all the
newsgroups during the past week?

Carlos Myers



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5oktfa$avj$3@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: 
: >I recently gave a presentation on the Internet and showed the group how
: >I'm fighting for traditional Jewish values on the net - and my Rabbi got
: >me a contract for handling several local Jewish businesses.  We have
: >strong bonds and our community is respectful of its members.
: 
: What's your Rabbis name and synagogue location?

Are you going to come stalk me when you get bored of stalking Mr. Boursy?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <MPG.e180b77812654af989795@news.earthlink.net>#1/1
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Organization: ISP Watchers United
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com wrote...
:
:Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
:: 
:: This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of following 
:: the policies and procedures.

  You mean the ones you personally approve of--I've contempt
for them.


:The policies and procedures are largely self-referential and have 
:little or no objective basis.  

  Indeed--that's being overly kind.


:David Lawrence has done a number of sneaky 

  Don't forget the 'C'--David preferes the 'C'
without a period as in David C Lawrence.


:and deceitful things and you're well aware of that.

  David C Lawrence is one of the most dishonest on
usenet--I understand that even UUNET fired him--is
that true (hell--they'll hire anybody!).


::And you know all this. Doesn't your Rabbi disapprove 
::of making statements you know to be false?

  What does his Rabbi have to do with anything da Silva???

:I recently gave a presentation on the Internet and showed 
:the group how I'm fighting for traditional Jewish values on 
:the net - and my Rabbi got me a contract for handling several 
:local Jewish businesses.  We have strong bonds and our 
:community is respectful of its members.

  Quite the opposite of Mr. Lawrence.

                           Steve
                           news.admin.censorship


:
:-Ric G.
:Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
:"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
:sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
:



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <5om6g2$4lj$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
: >The policies and procedures are largely self-referential and have little
: >or no objective basis.
: 
: You mean they're self-consistent and are arrived at by a consensus process
: and thus are less optimal than they might otherwise be?

No.  I mean exactly what I wrote - that those policies and procedures 
were conceived out of a vacuum with no relation to how things really are 
and with little or no adjustment for reality that people have been forced 
to accept since those policies were initiated.

: Since the procedures produce an objectively better result than your alt-like
: proposal (otherwise you wouldn't be trying to hijack the good will associated
: with the groups created using them) I think that we're better off sticking
: to them.

You're absolutely incorrect.  My proposal is not alt-like in any way and
is primarily based upon streamlining the group creation process so that
important groups don't have to take 12 months or more to be created when
there is a substantial group of people who want to discuss a topic and
the name space fits well into some partt of the big eight.

Your attempt to classify an improvement as being "alt-like" is an 
attempt to make the proposal sound kooky.  That's a clever tactic
if you're attempting to avoid confrontation with the fact that the
current system is cumbersome and needs improvement, but your approach
won't allow people to improve the system and for that we all suffer.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: michaelm@basis.com (Michael Martinez)
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <5omi1r$3qs_004@thepope.basis.com>#1/1
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Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
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In article <5ol6l2$h6o$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: In article <5oktfa$avj$3@news2.digex.net>,
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: 
>: >I recently gave a presentation on the Internet and showed the group how
>: >I'm fighting for traditional Jewish values on the net - and my Rabbi got
>: >me a contract for handling several local Jewish businesses.  We have
>: >strong bonds and our community is respectful of its members.
>: 
>: What's your Rabbis name and synagogue location?
>
>Are you going to come stalk me when you get bored of stalking Mr. Boursy?
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
>sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6

Maybe Martin just thinks your rabbi would be interested in knowing that you 
are a member of the Kooknet Cabal, that you post a fake FAQ on a regular basis 
in a deliberate attempt to mislead people about the Usenet, and that you heap 
abuse on people of whom you disapprove (not what I'd been told were good 
Jewish ethics, but perhaps I know the wrong Jews).

Followups redirected to ease up on the cross-posting.  Abuse the 'Net as you 
well -- you're good at that.


--
  ++   ++   "Well Samwise: What do you think of the elves now?"
  ||\ /||                 --fbaggins@mid.earth.com
  || v ||ichael Martinez                    (mmartin@basis.com)
  ++   ++------------------------------------------------------



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Not a Dime's Worth of Difference   Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <5omsja$9lj$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 252104563
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Christopher J. Carrell (cjc@pandora_dot_bio_dot_purdue.edu) wrote:
: Just so everyone knows, here's the latest message from my 
: newsreader...
: 
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: comp.lang.java.setup
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: comp.lang.java.tech
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.email
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
: Warning!  Bogus newsgroup: news.groups
: 
: Looks like our favorite censors (CJIII, Goober, Speedbump) have
: been rmgrouping anything they don't like again. This ends up having
: the effect of removing thousands of articles from the hard drive.
: That is, the complainers about censoring are censorous hypocrites.
: Screwing with our hard drive is a criminal act, y'know.

So the all cancel messages are simiarly criminal acts?  You can't have
it both ways all the time.

Or are control message advisory, leaving it to the private owners of
computer equipment to determine how they want to configure their machines?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: yearoum6019@uni.edu
Subject: research survey: student access to internet
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <867088765.29849@dejanews.com>#1/1
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Hi.  I am a student doing research on censorship of the Internet.
Specifically, censorship towards students.  This is a survey to get your
ideas and opinions of this subject.  You are not required to answer all
questions but I would appreciate it if you did.  It would be most helpful
to me for my research needs.  Also, I would appreciate it if you are
completely honest in your answers.  Thank you in advance for your time
and cooperation.  You may either respond by replying to this posting or
send answers directly to my e-mail address:				 
		     YEAROUM6019@uni.edu Now to the questions: 1.    Age:
2. Gender: 3.	   Profession: 4.  How long have you been attending
(browsing,reading, and/or posting)     this news group? 5.     Are you
truthful in your communications with others online? (identity,	opinions,
gender, age, etc.) 6. Do you believe others are truthful when
communicating with you	online? 7.	Do you feel safe when disclose
your identity or opinions online? 8.	 Do feel that there are unethical
or unnecessary uses of the internet?   (Such as pornography.) 9.       Do
you feel that (high school, for example) students are abusive of	
their access to the internet?  By abusive, I mean any uses other than for
      an assignment; such as visiting any pornographic sites.(Web sites,
chat	     rooms, or news groups). 10.     Do you know of any schools
where internet access by students is	     monitored? 11.  Do you know
of any incidents in schools involving students "abusing     their
priviledges" of the internet by visiting these pornographic sites?	 
If so, please describe. 12.	Do you think that schools should monitor
students access to web sites? 13.      Do you think that schools should
have to monitor student access to web  sites? 14.      Do you have any
suggestions as to how a school district could monitor	facilities so
that students are not able to access these  pornographic web	  sites?
15.	 Do you think that the government should intervene in these
measures?    if so, what should they do about it.  If not, who should, if
anyone, be	   involved and why. 16.   Do you think that this type of
institutional censorship (towards	 students and their online uses)
violates any freedom of information? 17. Any other comments, thoughts,
ideas, opinions on this subject would	 be greatly appreciated.

Once again, thank you for your time and cooperation.
Michelle

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From: "Keith M. Lucas" <sillywiz@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk>
Subject: Re: Bogus rmgroup/newgroup
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <EC847F.8J3@excession.dot.demon.dot.co.dot.uk>#1/1
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In article <5oktfa$avj$3@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Peter da Silva (peter@taronga.com) wrote:
>: 
>: This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of following the policies
>: and procedures.
>
>The policies and procedures are largely self-referential and have little
>or no objective basis.  David Lawrence has done a number of sneaky and
>deceitful things and you're well aware of that.

Evidence ?

Whenever you're ready, present a case. With at least some evidence and
wihout calling anyone a paedophile, anti-semitic or otherwise
insulting, libeling or flaming anyone.

If there is a case to answer, we'll listen, but it'll have to be done
properly. Hint - a web page full of dubious news postings and
including accusations of paedophilia doesn't count. A web page that
carefully lays out _both_ sides of the argument, includes arguments
from representatives from both sides and leaves the reader to decide
for themselves will count.

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From: crs@quail.swcp.com (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Spammers
Date: 1997/06/23
Message-ID: <5omj8c$gri@quail.swcp.com>#1/1
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Organization: Just me, Los Alamos, NM
Reply-To: crs@swcp.com
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian,news.admin.net-abuse


In article <01bc7f97$d7244940$8e5e4781@dream>,
Carlos Myers <farix@citynet.net> wrote:
= Gin Petty <ky.gin@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
= <01bc7e83$0483e6e0$LocalHost@default>...
= > 
= > Wallace King <iwk@corinthian.net> wrote in article
= > <33ABF62D.6FEC@corinthian.net>...
= > > It seems the spammers love this ng. If they were really psychics, they
= > > would know to stay off this ng.
= > > 
= >  
= > 	The psychic posters are giving the net.abuse folks fits.  They've used 5
= > different ISPs in 5 days, some sort of record, I think.
= 
= Are they don't anything about all the SEX spam that has hit all the
= newsgroups during the past week?

Spam is spam, regardless of the subject...


-- 
Best regards,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby      Los Alamos, NM     "I'm the NRA!"
       crs@swcp.com www.swcp.com/~crs		     Life Member since 1965



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From: hirose60@shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Hidetaka Hirose)
Subject: Re: I wonder WHO might have done this....
Date: 1997/06/24
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> ricardo@primus.paranoia.com$B$5$s$,(B
> 1997$BG/(B06$B7n(B23$BF|(B($B7n(B)12$B;~(B26$BJ,:"(B news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-scum,sci.meow,news.admin,news.admin.net-abuse,news.admin.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.cancel-forgery $B$KEj9F$N(B
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> $B$N5-;v$r0zMQ$7$^$9!#(B
>
| kibo greps (kibo@shell.thecia.net) wrote:
| : Why is David C Lawrence still posting from UUNet?  Didn't they fire
| : the motherfucker?  Can they sue him for theft of services?
| 
| I heard he's been gone for a while.  One can only wonder what he's
| thinking.
| 
| -Ric G.
| Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
| "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
| sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Not a Dime's Worth of Difference   Was: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/25
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brian moore (bem@news.cmc.net) wrote:
: (fictional newsgroups removed)
: 
: In article <5omsja$9lj$1@news2.digex.net>,
: 	ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
: > So the all cancel messages are simiarly criminal acts?  You can't have
: > it both ways all the time.
: 
: You seem to want that, though.  

No.  I want consistancy.  I don't want you guys defining something as
"proper" or "improper" depending on whether it benefits you or not.
If you guys can send cancels for arbitrary reasons then so can anyone
else.  If you guys can send newgroup and rmgroup message then so can
anyone else.  You can't be elitists and expect everyone else to just
obey your demends.

The software supports letting other people participate in USENET but
you guys artificially seek to prevent that with your inner circle of
elitism which determines who else is allowed to participate.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: prozak@anus.com (spinoza ray prozak - legion apostate)
Subject: Re: !REDD KROSS NEWSGROUP!
Date: 1997/06/25
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On 21 Jun 97 14:15:56 GMT, "Hugo" <bublegum@arrakis.es> wrote:

>Go and get to the newsgroup that's entirely dedicated to the best band in
>the world.
>alt.music.redd-kross

Arf...rrrrrr...howl.  Bark!  Bark!  Arf...rrrr...


|/|-----------------------------------------------|/|
 |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- '..burning as I fall.." |
 | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |
 |         ...are the spirit of evil...            |
 |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |
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From: sjsobol@no-spam.nstc.com (Steve Sobol)
Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
Date: 1997/06/05
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Rumor has it that hannigan@shore.net said

>Umm... What is a 'goyim' pray tell? A racist slander perhaps?
>Another completely irrelevant statement in your quest to clean up
>news.admin...Can you spell hipocrite?

No, Goyim (plural of 'goy') is Yiddish for someone who is not Jewish.
Or, as the old Jewish ladies say, "A Gentile."

>>are in agreement about the strategies we use to handle anti-Zionists.
>
>Anti-Zionists? In news.admin? [ cmsg newgroup alt.usenet.kook.rico ]

Zionist != Jew.

Zionism is a political movement, Judaism is a religion.
Ric, you're a moron.


>>I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
>>on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a

I most certainly will!

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From: sjsobol@no-spam.nstc.com (Steve Sobol)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/05
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Rumor has it that ricardo@primus.paranoia.com said

>: So in other words trying to insult someone by tying them into a
>: notorious criminal simply because the last name is the same is
>: considered by you to be discussing the facts and not being personal?
>
>I am not judging by last names.  I am only judging by behavior.  When
>you guys refuse to discuss net abuse and only want to attack people
>personally then I can see that you are in possession of a lower-ordered
>soul than the Jew.  The Talmud teaches of the Goyim's lack of ethics,
>morality, and spirituality.  Your *BEHAVIOUR* serves to prove this.

Ric, I'm Jewish, and though I am not a Talmudic scholar, I am familiar
enough with the religion (having been a member of said religion for
27 years) that I can say that this is one of the biggest loads of BS
I have *ever* seen you spew onto this newsgroup.

Your statement is as wrong as the statements of those who would 
stereotype Jewish people. But it doesn't surprise me, as you seem
to be willing to say anything to make your point.

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From: sjsobol@no-spam.nstc.com (Steve Sobol)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/05
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>Ric, I'm Jewish, and though I am not a Talmudic scholar, I am familiar
>enough with the religion (having been a member of said religion for
>27 years) that I can say that this is one of the biggest loads of BS
>I have *ever* seen you spew onto this newsgroup.

Of course, I don't believe Ric is Jewish either. Pretty much the only
thing I do believe abou Ric is that he is full of shit.

So... Yer Jewish, Ric? :) What denomination? Tell me something that'll
prove it.


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From: "Jon Davis" <jon@interact-net.com>
Subject: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/06
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Repost:
This note is directed at the various Democratech representatives posting
from feedback@democratech.org. Up until now, they have seemed not to
understand what we've been saying, so I'm putting it in simple English.
Everything below is in simple sentences of one syllable words only.

-----BEGIN SIMPLE ENGLISH MESSAGE-----

You do not get it. I will tell you. I hope you will get it.

You spammed.

We do not like spam. Spam is bad. Spam hurts the net. We like the net. So
we do not like spam. In fact, we hate spam.

What is spam? Spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

What is lots and lots? We will not tell you. Why? We think you might post
one less, and then say it is not spam. But we will tell you this: count the
things on your hands and feet. It is near that.

What is spam not? Spam is not a bad post. Spam is not a bad post lots and
lots of times. Spam is not a post in the wrong place. Spam is not a bad
post in the wrong place lots and lots of times.

Spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

We do not care what is in a spam. We do not care if it is in the right
place or the wrong place. If we cared, that would be bad. If we did not
like a post, we could say it is bad, so it is spam. Or we could say it is
in the wrong place, so it is spam. That would be worse than spam. So we say
a thing is spam if it is the same thing lots and lots of times.

One more time: spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

Why is spam bad? The more times it is there, the more room it takes on each
site's disk, and the more time it takes to get it to all of the sites. It
should take just a small bit of room on each site's disk, and take just a
small bit of time to get there. So spam is a lot of waste.

Why else is spam bad? The more times it is there, the more times we have to
see it. Some folks pay for their news by the note, or by the byte, or by
how much time it takes them to get it. Some have to pay for each post in a
group they read, and their site does not care if they read the post. So
spam is not fair.

Why else is spam bad? Spam makes folks mad. They post notes and say that
they are mad. Lots and lots of notes. We call these notes "flames." So spam
makes lots and lots of flames.

Why is a small spam bad? Some folks think that if a small thing is not bad,
then the same thing big is not bad too. So if a small spam is not yelled
at, then there will be lots and lots of big spams.

What did you do? You sent the same thing lots and lots of times. So you
spammed. Spam is bad.

We do not care what you said. We do not care if it was in the right place.
You sent the same thing lots and lots of times. That is spam. That is bad.

Some folks like to get rid of spam when they see it. We think that is good.
We like them. We think they are good.

When they get rid of spam, they get rid of all of it. They do not try to
think if some of the posts are in the wrong place and just get rid of those
ones. That would be bad. As bad as to say that a post is spam if they did
not like it. No, they get rid of all of them. That is the right way to get
rid of spam.

Not all folks think we should do this. There are a few, like Dave Hayes,
who think spam should be left there, that we should all be free to spam and
spam and spam. But there are lots and lots more who think spam should be
got rid of.

Why are we mad at you? You spammed. But there is more: when we said we were
mad, you said you did not spam. And you said few of us were mad. And you
said your spam was not bad because it was in the right place. And you said
that we should not get rid of it. Or that we should not get rid of the ones
in the right place.

You said you will do it no more. We do not know if we think that is true.
Why? You said things that we think are bad. You did things that we think
are bad. So we do not trust you. We think you might do it the next time you
think of a thing you want lots and lots of folks to hear.

How can you make us think you will do it no more, and that you are good
folks?



1.Say that what you did was spam. 2.Say that what you did was bad. 3.Say
that you feel bad since you did this bad thing. 4.*Then* say that you will
do it no more. 

Then we might trust you. Then we might not be mad at you.

That is not too hard for you to get, is it?

-----END SIMPLE ENGLISH MESSAGE-----




                                Henry Neeman
                                University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
                                hneeman@ncsa.uiuc.edu



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From: jlundgre@delta1.deltanet.com (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/06
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Jon Davis (jon@interact-net.com) wrote:
: Repost:
: This note is directed at the various Democratech representatives posting
: from feedback@democratech.org. Up until now, they have seemed not to
: understand what we've been saying, so I'm putting it in simple English.
: Everything below is in simple sentences of one syllable words only.

: -----BEGIN SIMPLE ENGLISH MESSAGE-----

: You do not get it. I will tell you. I hope you will get it.

: You spammed.

: We do not like spam. Spam is bad. Spam hurts the net. We like the net. So
: we do not like spam. In fact, we hate spam.

: What is spam? Spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

: What is lots and lots? We will not tell you. Why? We think you might post
: one less, and then say it is not spam. But we will tell you this: count the
: things on your hands and feet. It is near that.

: What is spam not? Spam is not a bad post. Spam is not a bad post lots and
: lots of times. Spam is not a post in the wrong place. Spam is not a bad
: post in the wrong place lots and lots of times.

: Spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

: We do not care what is in a spam. We do not care if it is in the right
: place or the wrong place. If we cared, that would be bad. If we did not
: like a post, we could say it is bad, so it is spam. Or we could say it is
: in the wrong place, so it is spam. That would be worse than spam. So we say
: a thing is spam if it is the same thing lots and lots of times.

: One more time: spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.

: Why is spam bad? The more times it is there, the more room it takes on each
: site's disk, and the more time it takes to get it to all of the sites. It
: should take just a small bit of room on each site's disk, and take just a
: small bit of time to get there. So spam is a lot of waste.

: Why else is spam bad? The more times it is there, the more times we have to
: see it. Some folks pay for their news by the note, or by the byte, or by
: how much time it takes them to get it. Some have to pay for each post in a
: group they read, and their site does not care if they read the post. So
: spam is not fair.

: Why else is spam bad? Spam makes folks mad. They post notes and say that
: they are mad. Lots and lots of notes. We call these notes "flames." So spam
: makes lots and lots of flames.

: Why is a small spam bad? Some folks think that if a small thing is not bad,
: then the same thing big is not bad too. So if a small spam is not yelled
: at, then there will be lots and lots of big spams.

: What did you do? You sent the same thing lots and lots of times. So you
: spammed. Spam is bad.

: We do not care what you said. We do not care if it was in the right place.
: You sent the same thing lots and lots of times. That is spam. That is bad.

: Some folks like to get rid of spam when they see it. We think that is good.
: We like them. We think they are good.

: When they get rid of spam, they get rid of all of it. They do not try to
: think if some of the posts are in the wrong place and just get rid of those
: ones. That would be bad. As bad as to say that a post is spam if they did
: not like it. No, they get rid of all of them. That is the right way to get
: rid of spam.

: Not all folks think we should do this. There are a few, like Dave Hayes,
: who think spam should be left there, that we should all be free to spam and
: spam and spam. But there are lots and lots more who think spam should be
: got rid of.

: Why are we mad at you? You spammed. But there is more: when we said we were
: mad, you said you did not spam. And you said few of us were mad. And you
: said your spam was not bad because it was in the right place. And you said
: that we should not get rid of it. Or that we should not get rid of the ones
: in the right place.

: You said you will do it no more. We do not know if we think that is true.
: Why? You said things that we think are bad. You did things that we think
: are bad. So we do not trust you. We think you might do it the next time you
: think of a thing you want lots and lots of folks to hear.

: How can you make us think you will do it no more, and that you are good
: folks?



: 1.Say that what you did was spam. 2.Say that what you did was bad. 3.Say
: that you feel bad since you did this bad thing. 4.*Then* say that you will
: do it no more. 

: Then we might trust you. Then we might not be mad at you.

: That is not too hard for you to get, is it?

: -----END SIMPLE ENGLISH MESSAGE-----




:                                 Henry Neeman
:                                 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
:                                 hneeman@ncsa.uiuc.edu


EXCELLENT!   Oops!  I used a big word.


But ya know, some people just never get it...

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From: scorpios@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Nir Soffer)
Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
Date: 1997/06/06
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Steve Sobol (sjsobol@no-spam.nstc.com) wrote:
: Rumor has it that hannigan@shore.net said

: >Umm... What is a 'goyim' pray tell? A racist slander perhaps?
: >Another completely irrelevant statement in your quest to clean up
: >news.admin...Can you spell hipocrite?

Yes : Hypocrite.

: No, Goyim (plural of 'goy') is Yiddish for someone who is not Jewish.
: Or, as the old Jewish ladies say, "A Gentile."

Smirk.

: >>are in agreement about the strategies we use to handle anti-Zionists.
: >
: >Anti-Zionists? In news.admin? [ cmsg newgroup alt.usenet.kook.rico ]

: Zionist != Jew.

Smirk.

: Zionism is a political movement, Judaism is a religion.
: Ric, you're a moron.

Smirk.


: >>I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
: >>on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a

: I most certainly will!

Well then, Steve, if you're planning on falling for the 'We Jews are holy 
and infalliable' crap just because you're a jew, you're as big as a 
moron as the person you were replying to.


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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/06
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sjsobol@no-spam.nstc.com (Steve Sobol) wrote:

>
>>Ric, I'm Jewish, and though I am not a Talmudic scholar, I am familiar
>>enough with the religion (having been a member of said religion for
>>27 years) that I can say that this is one of the biggest loads of BS
>>I have *ever* seen you spew onto this newsgroup.
>
>Of course, I don't believe Ric is Jewish either. Pretty much the only
>thing I do believe abou Ric is that he is full of shit.
>
>So... Yer Jewish, Ric? :) What denomination? Tell me something that'll
>prove it.

Too easy. Vulis has given him a crib sheet.

jd
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Date: 1997/06/06
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[ news.admin.net-abuse  added, and set for follow-ups]

What kind of mindless system would force someone to quote an entire, 
200-line article (ill-formatted, at that) just to respond with one line?

And why didn't it go by e-mail instead?

Will BBS gateways help ruin net-news, or is it now necessary to add
the string "fidonet" to kill-files? 

__________________________________________________________

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From: dsi@interaccess.com (Taz)
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/06
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Spam is limited by a made up constant called BI or at least that is
what I just read. (below). My only complaint is you can not have it
both ways. Freedom of speech and lack of abuse.
It just doesnt work that way. Once you start down the
path of regulations and judgements you are playing with
fire. 
Hey lets stop the Chicago Tribune site because they
dont use recycled paper. Yeah thats bad.. 
My father and mother came here from Estonia in 
WWII hates communism for good reason if you know thier history. 
One thing that he said that has stuck in my gut is 
"First the communists promise to shelter and feed you 
then they take away your books 
then your guns,
then they take away your food again.

You are a slave with little hope.

With all the trash that is on the Internet from porno to
political it is funny that you are painting people in this hateful
way. 

I can understand that you dont want email sent to you because it
personal but when it comes to the Usenet?? 
Isnt that a public place??
I guess it confuses me.. 
Who are you to be judge?
Where are the rules/guidelines written? 
If you wont say then you are playing a very very cruel game.

I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A spam, EMP, or ECP then refers to a posting that has been posted to
many places. There is a consensus that there is a point
at which it is abuse, and is subject to advisory cancellation. 

A formula has been invented by Seth Breidbart which attempts to
quantify the degree of "badness" of a spam (whether EMP
or ECP) as a single number. The Breidbart Index (BI) is defined as the
sum of the square roots of n (n is the number of
newsgroups each copy was posted to). 

Example: If two copies of a posting are made, one to 9 groups, and one
to 16, the BI index is sqrt(9)+sqrt(16) = 3+4 = 7. 

The thresholds for spam cancels are based _only_ on one or more of the
following measures: 

   1.The BI is 20 or greater over a 45 day period. 
   2.Is a continuation of a previous EMP/ECP, within a 45 day sliding
window. That is: if the articles posted within the past
     45 days exceeds a BI threshold of 20, it gets removed, unless the
originator has made a clear and obvious effort to
     cease spamming (which includes an undertaking to do so posted in
news.admin.net-abuse.misc). This includes "make
     money fast" schemes which passed the EMP/ECP thresholds several
years ago. This author recommends one posting
     cross-posted to no more than 10 groups, no more often than once
every two weeks (a BI of 3). 

A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would
have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't
possible due to limitations in Usenet software. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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From: bertha@polly.mhn.org (That Funky Chick)
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/07
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On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 16:33:43 GMT, dsi@interaccess.com (Taz) wrote:

[snip]
>I can understand that you dont want email sent to you because it
>personal but when it comes to the Usenet?? 
>Isnt that a public place??
>I guess it confuses me.. 
>Who are you to be judge?
>Where are the rules/guidelines written? 
>If you wont say then you are playing a very very cruel game.

>I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 
[snip]

What confuses me is that you ask where the rules/guidelines are written, and
then appended them to the end of your post...

Yes, Usenet is a public place.  That's the whole point--it's a place for
everyone to discuss things, not for a few spammers to drown out all other
conversation.

Spam kills newsgroups.  People who spam don't actually read newsgroups, they
just post to them--we're expected to read their "freedom of speech," but they
don't have the courtesy to do likewise.  Spammers innundate newsgroups with
posts until the people who actually read them give up and abandon the newsgroup,
and the only postings left are spam.  (Why?  Because since the spammers don't
read the newsgroups themselves, they don't realize there are no longer any other
people reading them either.)

Saying "it's a public place, they can do what they want" is akin to saying a
town hall is a public place, so you can go there and interrupt the meetings and
pitch your vaccuum cleaners or Fuller brushes whenever you want.  Just because
something is a public place does not mean "anything goes."  There are still
rules, because in order for any group of people to function there must be some
system in place to keep things orderly.

It's not us who consider ourselves "above it all."  It's the spammers, who feel
they are above the rules of common courtesy and can walk all over our
conversations with no respect for the rules each newsgroup has set up to keep
its discussions productive and useful.

-Bertha
bertha@polly.mhn.org

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In article <nv6lzcEblJVR092yn@YGRI.net>,
Doktor DynaSoar <dynasor@en.com> wrote:
>office@efn.org (OPN Office) sent bitwaves which read:
[...]
>}>-Ric G.
>}>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>}
>}You, sir, are an utter fool, a naive dolt, and incredibly gullible.
>
>HEY! Don't call him that.
>
>There's a lot of people who are called sir, and they don't deserve to be
>associated with him.
 The same goes, of course, for utter fools, naive dolts, and incredibly
gullibles - and they don't deserve it, either. In any event, goat is
definitely not naive, and his joining up with the smear campaign is
anything but gullibility. 

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>Again, a clueless newbie.  The 'rules' are the consensus and opinions of the Internet & USENET community.
You are so polite and non judgemental, your temper and amount of
compasion is unending. 

>are the consensus and opinions of the Internet & USENET community.
Who are you. How many sit on THE Commmitee?  Who elected you
and when did you come to power?
Hmm...

Dont people pay to be on the net or dont you include that in 
your cost of doing buisness.

Maybe you are just a very very poor or rich buisnessman
who wants everything to go your way. Do you remember
all government regulations that came from people wanting to
make everything fair. Is that what you want?? 
Or maybe you would rather be a vigilante.. 
OR?? what is you really want power fame glory?
A right to judge without being judged? No one has 
that right. 

>Spammers pay only a fraction of the cost of their spams:  The
>USENET community pays the bulk 
Nice community Who are THEY.
Are they elected officials? Are they some kind of GODS?
WHO ARE THEY and what are the rules.
You seem to slam every one who speaks against you 
but then offer no help when someone asks what are the limits.
I am refering to a previous post when some asked about the rules
and limits and was told NOPE we arent going to tell you..
Hmm...

>of the cost in the form of wasted
>bandwidth, drive space, and time to download, read, and delete the crap
>they spew out.  So far you are 0 for 2.
No, you are just another self proclaimed savior and judge.


>Nice quote.  Too bad you don't understand it.  The speaker REALLY meant,
The spealer is my Dad, Thanks but I will interpret what he said.

>"Stand up for your rights and the rights of others."  On the Internet,
>that means to oppose those who would destroy 
Maybe you should be standing up FOR spammers <G>
Arent they being oppressed??
>the Internet through greed and indifference to the rights 
>of others, ie. the spammers.

>>With all the trash that is on the Internet from porno to
>>political it is funny that you are painting people in this hateful
>>way. 
>>

No I understand it perfectly. You want censorship your way and no
other. With all the streaming video on the NET you would think you
would be attacking them as bandwidth stealers since they have to
go through all the same routers and nodes. Thats what I was talking 
about when I said with all the trash thats on the net. Text takes up
SO little space but one VDO movie eats up A LOT..

>
>You don't have a clue.  We fight spam not because of the CONTENT, but
>the VOLUME.  It is the VOLUME of spam that threatens USENET and the
>Internet.

I hear you volume is kinda loud. 


>>I can understand that you dont want email sent to you because it
>>personal but when it comes to the Usenet?? 
>>Isnt that a public place??
>
>No.

If the usenet is not public where is the registration slips. Rules of
use, passwords. Signon rules.  My provider didnt have any? 
Maybe you should start with a LAW. Yeah thats it. Every provider has
to  start a whole new campaign on reams of paper (killing trees and of
course) that people must sign to belong to your exclusive CLUB 
(the way you like it of course wouldnt want to offend anyone)
called usenet. 

Usenet is another selling tool like all others. Because of it net
providers probably make quite a few more dimes with people
like me that hang on the net and read messages. 

My final word is.
If it is so impossible to manage then take it away. 
I would rather have no usenet then to let you 
and your commitee start acting like a self proclaimed judge and jury.
I have seen far to many posts here cheering like people fighting a
war. Well in war nobody wins (execpt the lawyers).  

>>I guess it confuses me.. 
>
>The first accurate statement you've made.
>
>>Who are you to be judge?
>
>Those who want the Internet and USENET to survive.
And you are???
Who is your Commitee. 

>>Where are the rules/guidelines written? 
>Again, a clueless newbie.  The 'rules' are the consensus and opinions of
>the Internet & USENET community.  
>Those rules do NOT recognize your
>perverted interpretation of freedom of speech:  

opinions ----- There are no RULES?
Where is your limits on the freedom of speech?
Does it start when it suits you or when you think its proper.

>Instead these follow the general dictates of 'what works'.  
>USENET works when commercial speech
>is confined to commercial USENET newsgroups.  Email works when the bulk
>of messages are pertinant and useful to the recipient.  The system fails
>as the noise-to-signal ratio approaches unity (ie., you can't hear the
>conversation because the TV's too loud.  Is it 'unconstitutional' to
>turn down the set while you are trying to have a discussion?)
Part of the price for freedom. The streets would be a lot quiter if
everyone had a lojack installed but then everyone would know 
where you are.

>>If you wont say then you are playing a very very cruel game.
>>
>
>???That makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes it does. 
You want to play judge and you have no rule book.
That is cruel. Lets play guess whats right.. Written by
The Committee. 

>>I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 
>>
>
>I guess you are pretty new at this stuff, hmmm?
Yes I am... AND what difference does it make??
I am sorry but you are infringeing on rights of others you
dont even know and cheer about it. I am supposed to
call you a hero?  Maybe you are an ISP with your
hands on your check book ? Hmm..

>>
>>A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would
>>have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't
>>possible due to limitations in Usenet software. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Note on the BI:  This statement is not entirely true.  
Hmm came from Duke University.
Are they The Commitee??

>A single 'David
>single chain letter posted to a single newsgroup is cancellable because
>it is substantially the same as the last 10 gajillion chain letters
>posted since Rhodes went to jail.  A 'retromoderator' may cancel
>offtopic posts to his favorite newsgroup or to one that he has taken
>charge of based on its FAQ and/or charter.  This has been frowned upon
>in the past, and is technically against the rules of netiquette, but it
>is becoming increasingly common - and acceptable - as newsgroups become
>swamped by spam.  Hundreds of newgroups have become unreadable because
>of the volume of garbage being dumped on them by clueless, indifferent,
>or abusive spammers.
Growing pains of the internet being used by everyone.
It will also has made it grow in content and richness. 
Which one do you want to trade for. Do you want it
back the way it was? 


By the way the use of this signature is also considered spam..
According to the rules from Duke. You should only use name.
Shame shame broke the rules?
>====================================
>"The Hand that codes the FPU look-up 
>table shall rule the world!"
>
>Note to advertisers:  I will never do business with
>companies that use bulk mail or noncommercial USENET
>newsgroups to advertise. Take the hint.

Funny no return addres otherwise I would have sent this Email.

Bob.



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why do I get the feeling you're replying to a different message altogether

orionca <orionca@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<339dce18.2114044@news.earthlink.net>...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 16:33:43 GMT, dsi@interaccess.com (Taz) wrote:
> 
> >Spam is limited by a made up constant called BI or at least that is
> >what I just read. (below). My only complaint is you can not have it
> >both ways. Freedom of speech and lack of abuse.
> >It just doesnt work that way. Once you start down the
> >path of regulations and judgements you are playing with
> >fire. 
> 
> There is no 'slippery slope' in stopping net abuse.  Next stupid
> statement.
> 
> >Hey lets stop the Chicago Tribune site because they
> >dont use recycled paper. Yeah thats bad.. 
> 
> The Chicago Tribune BUYS the paper it uses to print its publications
> upon.  Spammers pay only a fraction of the cost of their spams:  The
> USENET community pays the bulk of the cost in the form of wasted
> bandwidth, drive space, and time to download, read, and delete the crap
> they spew out.  So far you are 0 for 2.
> 
> >My father and mother came here from Estonia in 
> >WWII hates communism for good reason if you know thier history. 
> >One thing that he said that has stuck in my gut is 
> >"First the communists promise to shelter and feed you 
> >then they take away your books 
> >then your guns,
> >then they take away your food again.
> >
> >You are a slave with little hope.
> >
> 
> Nice quote.  Too bad you don't understand it.  The speaker REALLY meant,
> "Stand up for your rights and the rights of others."  On the Internet,
> that means to oppose those who would destroy the Internet through greed
> and indifference to the rights of others, ie. the spammers.
> 
> >With all the trash that is on the Internet from porno to
> >political it is funny that you are painting people in this hateful
> >way. 
> >
> 
> You don't have a clue.  We fight spam not because of the CONTENT, but
> the VOLUME.  It is the VOLUME of spam that threatens USENET and the
> Internet.
> 
> >I can understand that you dont want email sent to you because it
> >personal but when it comes to the Usenet?? 
> >Isnt that a public place??
> 
> No.
> 
> >I guess it confuses me.. 
> 
> The first accurate statement you've made.
> 
> >Who are you to be judge?
> 
> Those who want the Internet and USENET to survive.
> 
> >Where are the rules/guidelines written? 
> 
> Again, a clueless newbie.  The 'rules' are the consensus and opinions of
> the Internet & USENET community.  Those rules do NOT recognize your
> perverted interpretation of freedom of speech:  Instead these follow the
> general dictates of 'what works'.  USENET works when commercial speech
> is confined to commercial USENET newsgroups.  Email works when the bulk
> of messages are pertinant and useful to the recipient.  The system fails
> as the noise-to-signal ratio approaches unity (ie., you can't hear the
> conversation because the TV's too loud.  Is it 'unconstitutional' to
> turn down the set while you are trying to have a discussion?)
> 
> >If you wont say then you are playing a very very cruel game.
> >
> 
> ???That makes no sense whatsoever.
> 
> >I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 
> >
> 
> I guess you are pretty new at this stuff, hmmm?
> 
> >
> >A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would
> >have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't
> >possible due to limitations in Usenet software. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Note on the BI:  This statement is not entirely true.  A single 'David
> single chain letter posted to a single newsgroup is cancellable because
> it is substantially the same as the last 10 gajillion chain letters
> posted since Rhodes went to jail.  A 'retromoderator' may cancel
> offtopic posts to his favorite newsgroup or to one that he has taken
> charge of based on its FAQ and/or charter.  This has been frowned upon
> in the past, and is technically against the rules of netiquette, but it
> is becoming increasingly common - and acceptable - as newsgroups become
> swamped by spam.  Hundreds of newgroups have become unreadable because
> of the volume of garbage being dumped on them by clueless, indifferent,
> or abusive spammers.
> 
> ====================================
> "The Hand that codes the FPU look-up 
> table shall rule the world!"
> 
> Note to advertisers:  I will never do business with
> companies that use bulk mail or noncommercial USENET
> newsgroups to advertise. Take the hint.
> 



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From: troy_williams@pop.netaddress.com (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: Spam control proposal--new mailing list
Date: 1997/06/07
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"Jon Davis" <jon@interact-net.com> wrote:

>A new mailing list has been established in light of the spam control
>proposal at http://www.interact-net.com/spam.  To join the list, please
>visit the web site first to get acquainted with the structure of the
>proposal, then send an e-mail to listserv@interact-net.com with the body:
>"join spam-tag".

And what is going to guarantee that we aren't going to get spam from
different folks that might sign up just to collect the spam? Naw, I'll
keep away from the mailing lists for right now.


You might be a redneck if... An expired license plate means another
decoration for your living room wall. - Jeff Foxworthy

Please reply in email and the newsgroup.



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From: Chris Heiny <heiny@vivanet.com>
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/08
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> I don't study UCE because I've got work to do.  I just delete it
> and move on and instead of spending hours trying to get revenge.
> While you guys spend hours a day dealing with it, I spend just a
> few seconds.

For some of us with really slow net access, it can take hours a day
simply downloading this unwanted junk - UCE is effectively a denial of
service attack.

						Chris



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From: bertha@polly.mhn.org (That Funky Chick)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/08
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On 5 Jun 1997 00:06:56 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector
Gonzales) wrote:

>If you take the time to track down why I'm on the BlueList you'd see
>that I actually tried to do something about spam, unlike the many who
>talk and complain but don't take solid action.

Wait a minute--in an earlier post in this same thread, you said:

>I don't study UCE because I've got work to do.  I just delete it
>and move on and instead of spending hours trying to get revenge.
>While you guys spend hours a day dealing with it, I spend just a
>few seconds.

How can both these statements be true?

-Bertha
bertha@polly.mhn.org

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In article <5mvf25$1cp$2@news2.digex.net>,
>These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages

About as often as you spam the net with your self-described "FAQs".  At
least the *legitimate* CAUCE spams as often, if you want to call it spam.
Or are you counting the forgeries?

>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

In your dreams.



-- 
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From: Christopher Lyman <chrisl@legarto.minn.net>
Subject: Re: Sell Your PhotosNYC.Agency
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So, is the "Woodside Literary Agency" diversifying into other media?  When
are you going to give up this loser scam?  When are you going to apologize
to Jayne Hitchcock for forging articles in her name?

tre345@ibm.net wrote:
#                             PHOTO PHOENIX INTERNATIONAL

# We are an international New York based agency representing 
# amateur and professional photographers in the following areas: Galleries, 
# Business and Organizations, Book Publishers, Paper Products, Consumer 
# Publication, Newspapers & Newsletters Publication, Special Interest Publication, 
# and Trade Publication.
# We are seeking photographers who strive for excellence in the aesthetic/
# creative and technological world of images, who have the talent to capture
# the setting and to convey the mood. Your work should reflect a genuine,
# pervasive interest in photography as a fine art.
# Whether your work portrays conservative, experimental, stylish, or innovative
# themes, your project proposal should be well thought out before submitting to
# us.
# For first contact, please submit a query letter, direct mail flier/brochure,
# tearsheets, slides, photographs & SASE. 
# For amateur photographers, send sample photos and/or slides.
# TO ALL: Do not send entire portfolio unless we ask for it. If we are not interested,
# you might not hear from us, so please submit material that does not need to be 
# returned.

# Send to:
# Photo Phoenix International
# 33-29 58 Street
# Woodside, New York  11377
# Tele: Florida Branch-(941) 642-660





-- 
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In <339838fa.56628187@nntp.interaccess.com> (news.admin.net-abuse.email), on
Fri, 06 Jun 1997 16:33:43 GMT,
dsi@interaccess.com (Taz) wrote:


>My father and mother came here from Estonia in 
>WWII hates communism for good reason if you know thier history. 
>One thing that he said that has stuck in my gut is 
>"First the communists promise to shelter and feed you 
>then they take away your books 
>then your guns,
>then they take away your food again.
>
>You are a slave with little hope.

Excellent analogy.  That is why we stomp net-abusers:  they wish, by degrees
to take away the freedom to use the network for its intended purposes, and to
completely disenfranchise the "little" user.  The spammers are the Soviet
invaders, in this analogy of yours, with their doctrine of "what's yours is
actually mine".

>Who are you to be judge?

I'm the guy who owns the news server and the mail server.  My clients require
me to make such decisions.  I am also the guy who owns the news and mail
client at the end of a dialup connection, which I own.  I'm a Capitalist.
That's why I don't buy the phony "socialism" of the spammers.

>Where are the rules/guidelines written? 

Well, you quoted some of them.  Check around the rest of the net; hurry -- it
might be "nationalized" by some MLM spammers and you will have to join
somebody's downline in order to see Emily Postnews.


>I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 

Above all what?  Stealing others' resources and calling it "freedom"?  Da,
tochno, ya vyshe.  Kak u tebya?

mdr
-- 
"Honest folk do not wear masks when they enter a bank."
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In article <339779D2.69E7@ec.sirc.com>, alt1.seek-n-find@ec.sirc.com wrote:

> [paranoia.com]
> 
> 
> Paranoia fingerd lives to serve!  I hope this answer pleases you!
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Finger and Traceroute snipped

Why do you think a "whois" is necessary for every thread? I fail to see the
relevance of it.
Just curious.

-- 
TO RESPOND TO ME, SEND MAIL TO: kamal at nwlink dot com

---damn spammers....



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From: "fam�lia heleno" <helenos@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/10
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It was irony. I don't want rules on the net. Man, I am not a newbie, nor am
I a long time internet user (I am on the net since Jan'95). Lately the
portuguese internet community had grown like crazy (I am portuguese), and
so the somewhat calm newsgroups are getting spammed all the way (where
sometimes not even 50% of the posts have anyhting to do with the NG. So,
and since I am getting fed up, I started to read, now and then, this
newsgroup. And altough I am against spamming, I do not want a rule that
says:"Don't spam" First because what i think is spam, you may not think as
spam, second because the net is/should be free.

About the insults I was talking about, 
one thing I don't do on replyies is to post, again, what the other guy
said. You go, and read the post of  orionca replying to Taz. And orionca
insults him with no need of insulting. Sure, this happens all the time. But
a lot of women are rapped every day and we don't look aside and whistle. Do
we?

Best regards,
Diogo Heleno





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From: wbaseley@ptd.net (WD Baseley)
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/10
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In article <5njgir$huu@duke.telepac.pt>, "fam�lia heleno"
<helenos@mail.telepac.pt> articulated:

> And altough I am against spamming, I do not want a rule that
>says:"Don't spam" First because what i think is spam, you may not think as
>spam, second because the net is/should be free.

"SPAM" as it applies to Usenet newsgroups has a very distinct
definition.  There is little room for interpretation about what is and
is not "SPAM" there.

"SPAM" as it applies to Unsolicited Commercial/Bulk Email (U*E) has
less clear definitions;  I tried my best in the FAQ, which you can
read by following the links in my sig.

>About the insults I was talking about, 
>one thing I don't do on replyies is to post, again, what the other guy
>said.

It is common practice to quote the relevant parts of the post to which
you are replying, as I have done with your post.  The reason has
little to do with etiquette and much to do with how Usenet works;
many times, a reply will appear on a news server before the original
post.  You might want to do some research over at
news.answers.newusers to find out more.

Regards,
WD Baseley




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From: bertha@polly.mhn.org (That Funky Chick)
Subject: Re: Repost: "Why spam is bad."
Date: 1997/06/10
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On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 16:33:43 GMT, dsi@interaccess.com (Taz) wrote:

[snip]
>I can understand that you dont want email sent to you because it
>personal but when it comes to the Usenet?? 
>Isnt that a public place??
>I guess it confuses me.. 
>Who are you to be judge?
>Where are the rules/guidelines written? 
>If you wont say then you are playing a very very cruel game.

>I guess you consder yourself above it all  Hmm ?? 
[snip]

What confuses me is that you ask where the rules/guidelines are written, and
then appended them to the end of your post...

Yes, Usenet is a public place.  That's the whole point--it's a place for
everyone to discuss things, not for a few spammers to drown out all other
conversation.

Spam kills newsgroups.  People who spam don't actually read newsgroups, they
just post to them--we're expected to read their "freedom of speech," but they
don't have the courtesy to do likewise.  Spammers innundate newsgroups with
posts until the people who actually read them give up and abandon the newsgroup,
and the only postings left are spam.  (Why?  Because since the spammers don't
read the newsgroups themselves, they don't realize there are no longer any other
people reading them either.)

Saying "it's a public place, they can do what they want" is akin to saying a
town hall is a public place, so you can go there and interrupt the meetings and
pitch your vaccuum cleaners or Fuller brushes whenever you want.  Just because
something is a public place does not mean "anything goes."  There are still
rules, because in order for any group of people to function there must be some
system in place to keep things orderly.

It's not us who consider ourselves "above it all."  It's the spammers, who feel
they are above the rules of common courtesy and can walk all over our
conversations with no respect for the rules each newsgroup has set up to keep
its discussions productive and useful.

-Bertha
bertha@polly.mhn.org

Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.



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From: troy_williams@pop.netaddress.com (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/11
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>If you take the time to track down why I'm on the BlueList you'd see
>that I actually tried to do something about spam, unlike the many who
>talk and complain but don't take solid action.

Oh, I have done a good bit of complaining about, well anyway, there
have been tons and tons of users that have had their accounts
cancelled by me within the last year and a half... I dont' know if I
am on the bluelist or not... If I am, then hell, let them spam me, or
send me a five meg file... I've got my options and I am able to delete
the stuff of the mail server directly, but I will make sure that the
praxis information group, or usa.net sees that it is there and can
track the source before I delete it... Then I guess that I'll have
another count that's gone with the wind because of my complaints...

I have signed up with the CAUCE and I have done my share of
complaining...


You might be a redneck if... You've ever relieved yourself from
a moving vehicle. - Jeff Foxworthy

Please reply in email and the newsgroup.



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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Rogue Sites on the Internet
Date: 1997/06/11
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In article <5nlnpb$o4d$1@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> wrote:
> Last updated: January 12, 1997

Gee, Ricardo. Didn't you just tell me that you were updating all these
little files of yours now that you're born again?  I guess that was just
another one of your silly little games.

[deleted non-existent and redundant groups]
-- 
This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Drawing blood from Hannigan (was Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks)
Date: 1997/06/11
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5nl9m5$cmu$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: >:
: >I would love to act as the Mohel and administer your Hatafat Dam Brit.  
: >Would you be willing to allow cameras so that we can document your 
: >conversion?  You can have copies to post on your web site to let 
: >everyone know of your respectable conversion.
: 
: I'm ready. You can bring your camera. I am ready and willing.
: When?

First you should tell me why you would like to become a Jew.
Can't you see that Jews worldwide are always oppressed?

You also have to be aware of our strict mitzvos which you must both
keep and not violate.

Finally, if you pass those steps them I can have someone send you a
contract for you to sign, stating that you consent to the Hatafat Dam
Brit required for a gentile to convery.  If you'd let me act as the
Mohel then I'm sure it'll be a *short* and memorable conversion for
you.

If you're serious about this, please let me know and I'll contact
the right people to have this done.  It may be delayed a few months
because you will have to show an interest in the tradition and faith by
doing some personal or tutor-based studying, but if you're for real
than your conversion is welcome.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Proposed Cancel Bot
Date: 1997/06/11
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Brad Murray (bmurray@pluto.njcc.com) wrote:
: Are there bots out there that handle spams that are not cross-posted, but 
: are posted as individual messages to every newsgroup on the net?  

Yes, but these are typically very poorly conceived and can all be
easily fooled by chaotically based spam-posting software.  It's trivial
to bypass the BI if you want to get your spam out to every newsgroup.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: bmurray@pluto.njcc.com (Brad Murray)
Subject: Re: Proposed Cancel Bot
Date: 1997/06/11
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
: Brad Murray (bmurray@pluto.njcc.com) wrote:
: : Are there bots out there that handle spams that are not cross-posted, but 
: : are posted as individual messages to every newsgroup on the net?  
: 
: Yes, but these are typically very poorly conceived and can all be
: easily fooled by chaotically based spam-posting software.  It's trivial
: to bypass the BI if you want to get your spam out to every newsgroup.

Most of the spam is sent with the same subject in every newsgroup, so it 
is easy to spot.  If the from address was always changing I could just 
take that out of my key.

If the poster has to jumble up his subject he is less likely to get 
people to read it because the subject probably won't mean anything.



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From: pjm@see_my_sig_for_address (paul milligan)
Subject: Re: Proposed Cancel Bot
Date: 1997/06/11
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bmurray@pluto.njcc.com (Brad Murray) pondered briefly, and wrote:


>Most of the spam is sent with the same subject in every newsgroup, so it 
>is easy to spot.  If the from address was always changing I could just 
>take that out of my key.

	Let me get this straight - you propose to cancel any Usenet
post that has the following criteria :

	Subject is the same 
	Line count is the same ?

	This is a troll, right ?



Paul

>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~>~~
pjm@(remove this part )pobox.com 
My WWW site is at http://www.pobox.com/~pjm
The Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC FAQ is at http://www.elitesoft.com/sci.hvac/

Help fight net.abuse, net.harrassment, and net.stalking
See http://www.geocities.com/~hitchcockc/story.html 



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Rogue Sites on the Internet
Date: 1997/06/12
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William Guynes (wguynes@arn.net) wrote:
: 
: In short, although he believes what he says, this is nothing more than
: a personal vendetta against certain individuals.  Most of them provide
: a great service in an attempt to keep us from being overwhelmed by net
: abusers.

Read RFC 1036.  The people performing the "great service" are violating
RFC 1036 with their forgeries.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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S.P. (reply@by.posting.please) wrote:
:
: I have sent an email press release to the 50 largest newspapers in
: America, utilizing my true identity. I have received 37 emails from
: fellow historians, researchers and college professors. All are concerned
: with what appears to them to be a dangerous precedent being set by
: individuals who, like Mr. Chris Lewis, for whatever good and true
: motivations and reasons, are clearly and inextricably about to fall into
: the bottomless pit of the cursed censor: Censors who are daily inviting
: the American Congress to aid them in their fight, a fight that can be
: won by the responsible net community of the world, who, tired of theft,
: fight back, not with bills, but with bombs.

Chris Lewis is cancelling posts critical of his practices, for example
those that mention his netscum page (http://www.netscum.net/lewisc0.html).
His buddies will probably be doing similarly soon, if they haven't
already.

In order to stop their censorship, are you advocating electronic or
physical bombs?  Do you suggest that they deserve physical violence
if that's necessary to get them to stop their net abuse?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the



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Subject: Re: Purely Content-based cancels (was Re: What can be done about newsgroup "invasions"?)
Date: 1997/06/12
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: This post is off-topic in rec.games.mecha.  Please discuss only those
: topics which have to do with giant robot games in rec.games.mecha.

You know as well as everyone else that rec.games.mecha has degenerated
into a group like news.admin.net-abuse.misc where people interested in
control invent "enemies" and then discuss how to best hurt these enemies.
The group hasn't had anything to do with giant robot games for months
and is probably in the wrong name space (should be more like
alt.flame.censorship or alt.cabal.censorship).

If you want to clean up the group and restore it to its previous
purpose, I suggest that you eliminate yourself and others who act as
you do.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/12
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: 
: For all of you interested in Boursy, you can view what this net.abuser
: looks like at http://www1.shore.com/~hannigan/docs/boursy.html.

Just because you don't like his ideas doesn't make him a "net.abuser".
Why do you insist in defining others as enemies when they don't
agree with your opinions and then pursuing them personally instead
of debating their ideas?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: biteme@spam.sux (THE Jim Gallagher)
Subject: HRH revjack?  (you want some of this?)
Date: 1997/06/12
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<<material forwarded from the "INBOX" of defend_kathyjo@hotmail.com>>


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From: revjack@Radix.Net (RevJack)    
To: defend_kathyjo@hotmail.com (Support Activism!)
Subject: Re: Print Journalist Fired for "Activism"
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 11:29:39 GMT
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PLEASE stop spammming. This article has been canceled.

On Sat, 07 Jun 1997 20:54:52 -0700 in alt.slack, you wrote:

: 
: 
: Have you ever read one of Kathy Jo Kramer's posts? If so, you remember her.
: Whorella is her screen name. Well she was fired from In Pittsburgh Newsweekly
: this past week, where she was a staff writer. 
: 
: The new editor, Sara Kelly from the Philadelphia Weekly, is quoted in the
: Pittsburgh Post Gazette by Tony Norman as saying the IP is moving away from
: "knee-jerk liberalism." 
: 
: Kathy Jo is a former welfare mother, convicted felon and high school drop out
: who turned her life around to care for her child and graduated with honors
: from Carnegie Mellon University. Her work at the In Pittsburgh brought the
: paper continuous notoriety and respect for her thought-provoking and
: entertaining "On the Bus with Kathy Jo" column and for her work in trying to
: encourage political activism in her weekly "Grass Routes" column. Both pieces
: are one-of-a-kind and centered on Pittsburgh. And through her work in the
: paper, Kathy Jo became one of Pittsburgh's most controversial and yet beloved
: characters. 
: 
: Tony Norman's article appeared in the Post-Gazette on Thursday, June 5,
: announcing that Kathy Jo Kramer had been let go along with editor Andy
: Newman. 
: 
: Kathy Jo was asked to appear on Night Talk live, a local talk show  where she
: announced that she was in negotiations to write for the Pittsburgh
: Post-Gazette. 
: 
: Lynn Cullen on WTAE talk radio 1250 am went on a rampage, condeming the
: paper's decision to let go of Kathy Jo. And on Saturday, June 7 at one
: o'clock, Kathy Jo will be on, live with Dimitri. So tune in and call the
: whore up and thank her for at least trying to be honest in these days when
: that is considered radical. 
: 
: send letters to the editor:
: 
: In Pittsburgh Newsweekly
: 2000 East Carson Street
: Pitts  PA 15203
: 
: 412 488 1212
: fax: 412 4881217
: 
: e-mail letters to 
: 
: potter@inpgh.com
: 
: post general In Pittsburgh feedback on their website 
:  
: http://www.inpgh.com
: 
: 
: and here are local radio stations on the web.
: the same letter can go to all places. the point is to send a lot. 
: 
: http://www.kdka.com/
: 
: 
: 
: and here's the radio station kathy jo was on several times
: 
: http://www.wyep.org/
: 
: and play tunes...fun. thank them. tell them she needs her own show to
: continue grass routes and be radioactive. 
: 
: 
: here's a commercial hipster frat boy radio station
: http://www.dve.com/
: 
: 
: okay. the post gazette isn't on the web. 
: 
: 
: and the address is
: 
: The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
: 34 Boulevard of the Allies
: Pittsburgh, PA 15222
: 
: Address letters to John Craig
: (who Kathy Jo recently put on her list of people who need to smoke a bowl)
: 
: fax for letters to the editor
: 412 263-2014
: 
: general number
: 412 263-1100
: 
: 
: and thanks...if Kathy Jo gets enough support, someone in the Pittsburgh media
: is going to hire her, giving her an even broader forum to continue to fight
: for what are literally life and death issues. 
: 
: 
: Show this world that activism isn't dead...rise for the Jo!!!
: 
: and pick up or read next week's In Pittsburgh for her final column:
: 
: Off the Bus with Kathy Jo
: 
: http://www.inpgh.com
: 
: 
: and look for her on Oprah soon!

_________________
revjack@radix.net

<<end forwarded material>>



There are now over 30,000 newsgroups, more every day.  

Many of them are moderated so that only "approved" posts are filtered
through to the subscribers.  

It is totally "legal" and easy to create such groups, and they are widely
propagated.  Anyone can subscribe and join a "controlled" discussion on
any topic they want!  

I can start a "rec.arts.kathy-jo" moderated group and not let in any sex
spam, and also not let in anything else I or "we" find irritating.  

I can set up a little side mailing list to as many "members" as I want and
let them vote on whether a post should be allowed to go "public."  

We could pick and choose our criticism.  
  
We could even write a charter!  And live by it!

But we haven't done that, and neither have the thousands of other
unmoderated alt.* groups.  

There *are* attempts to impose order on the chaos.  

Spam has been mathematically defined in an equation which negates the
content and addresses only the number of newsgroups and number of times a
text segment is posted.  (See the FAQ, alt.news.netabuse) 

Cancelbots are then deployed.  

Then there are human, social engineering cancelbots (Revjack@radix.net
being the current example) who both issue forge-cancellations AND who
attempt to convince ISP administrators to invoke a "breach" of the
"License Agreement," or a "Terms of Service" violation against posters to
have their access restricted or denied.

These people are, at best, cowards.  

They cannot stomach the idea of being in an "officially" moderated group,
but they sure as hell despise free speech! 

Their attempts to eliminate "spam" are not mathematically consistent, and
anything less constitutes "cancellation for content," i.e. prima facie
evidence of censorship, i.e. first amendment civil rights violations.  

When the content, which +they+ make relevant by their selective
cancellation, is non-commercial and non-obscene, it is 99 per cent
"protected."  

When the content goes beyound that standard to where it could be
considered political, partisan, philosophical, educational, or even simply
relevant to the human condition, it is 100 per cent protected and any
restriction on its dissemination is a violation of the poster's humanity,
and a condescending commentary by the cancellor towards the intended
recipients' ability to discriminate.

Is this the deal at alt.slack?  

Revjack is going to be the new moderator?  

If kathyjo or anyone else wants to make a statement to this group, she has
to go through him and only post things to a certain number of other groups
and follow other pre-assigned, yet undisclosed rules, or face cancellation
and prior restraint of her/his ideas?

If so, then get the hell out of the alt.* hierarchy and let those of us
who are more comfortable with chaos have our sandbox while you more
elightened ones live in your moderated utopias.

This net belongs to no one.  I consider the unjustified cancellation of
any of MY posts as a theft of services, just like having my water-line
tapped without my knowledge or consent.  You should, too.

Thank you.

THE Jim Gallagher



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
Message-ID: <5nqhro$mv$1@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5nph6f$mrj$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: >: 
: >: For all of you interested in Boursy, you can view what this net.abuser
: >: looks like at http://www1.shore.com/~hannigan/docs/boursy.html.
: >
: >Just because you don't like his ideas doesn't make him a "net.abuser".
: 
: >Why do you insist in defining others as enemies when they don't
: >agree with your opinions and then pursuing them personally instead
: >of debating their ideas?
: 
: I never said Boursy was my enemy. Produce a quote? And if you
: check the web site, Boursy is the only one saying he has enemies. 

Why are you essentially stalking Mr. Boursy to the point of putting up
a picture of him, researching his private life, and then publicizing
your findings to the world?  It's difficult to tell if you are
trying to be malicious or if this is one big masturbatory fantasy.
I can understand that you may not like another person's opinions but
why are you making this personal?

: Why do you insist on faking that you aren't a net.abuser?

What are you talking about?  I'm one of the few people in this group
who is actually serious about stopping net abuse.  You damn goyim are
just posting flames and personal attacks while pretending that you're
not the biggest net abusers.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: dbromage@metz.une.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
Message-ID: <5nqk1e$e14$8@gruvel.une.edu.au>#1/1
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: 
>: For all of you interested in Boursy, you can view what this net.abuser
>: looks like at http://www1.shore.com/~hannigan/docs/boursy.html.
>
>Just because you don't like his ideas doesn't make him a "net.abuser".

Hey, interesting that Ricardo changed "net" to "com" when quoting the
article. Nice way to throw people off. :)

Cheers
David



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Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
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Hi,
> 
> Why are you essentially stalking Mr. Boursy to the point of putting up
> a picture of him, researching his private life, and then publicizing
> your findings to the world?  It's difficult to tell if you are
> trying to be malicious or if this is one big masturbatory fantasy.
> I can understand that you may not like another person's opinions but
> why are you making this personal?

He must be fought using the same pinciples.

-- 

Neil McAliece

neil@mcaliece.net






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From: scorpios@amos-04.cs.huji.ac.il (Nir Soffer)
Subject: Re: Drawing blood from Hannigan (was Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks)
Date: 1997/06/13
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A Mitzva is the singular, mitzvos are plural if you're an yiddish speaking
asshole who doesn't know the first thing about judaism, and mitzvot is the
plural if you actually KNOW Hebrew.


 J Durbin (slothrop@poisson.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

: >You also have to be aware of our strict mitzvos which you must both
: >keep and not violate.

: "mitzva"

: Now, what's the singular, schmuck.

: jd
: --
: jason durbin
: slothrop@poisson.com
: stop reading here <---

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"Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat"
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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: Drawing blood from Hannigan (was Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks)
Date: 1997/06/13
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scorpios@amos-04.cs.huji.ac.il (Nir Soffer) wrote:

>A Mitzva is the singular, mitzvos are plural if you're an yiddish speaking
>asshole who doesn't know the first thing about judaism, and mitzvot is the
>plural if you actually KNOW Hebrew.

I could claim to have been attempting a Ted Frank-style troll or
responding to Ricardo's disinformation with further disinformation,
but no, I transposed the singular and plural. 

In any case, Ric Gonzales is Jewish like Shlomo Ruthenberg is a Rabbi.

jd



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From: ricardo@paranoia.com (Speedy G)
Subject: Schryver is a hypocrite
Date: 1997/06/13
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Vernon Schryver (vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com) wrote:
: 
: >>       Note, folks: I'm not going to ban this troll, but I'd recommend
: >>killfiling him right now...
: >
: >It's far, far, far too amusing to do so...
: 
: That statement epitomizes what is wrong with news.admin.net-abuse.  Too
: many, and probably most participants are interested most in mutual
: trolling.  If that were not true, you all would have long sinced killfiled
: the mailinglist-wannabe-bombers, the unrepentant spam-applogists, the
: spam-as-free-speechers, and the rest of the loon platroon.

Those of you who claim to be the most serious are the most frivolous
and simultaneously the most demanding of CONTROL.

: It would be really swell if rational people here would stop responding
: to the kooks and wannabe-kooks.  

They you "rational people" would have nothing to post.  You show no
legitimate interest in net abuse and seem to only be interested in
censoring people, removing the accounts of your self-constructed 
"enemies" (ideological opponents), and spewing massive musty flames 
like the showers at Treblinka.

: You are never going to convince them of anything.

No one can ever convince anyone of anything.  Everything comes into
the issue so thick in dogma that their position and value system is
thoroughly grounded and only in rare cases can be significantly 
changed.

: They are not arguing based on conviction or even to exercise
: the established arts of rhetoric and debate.  None of them have a clue
: about debate as a formal contest, or else they'd obey the strict limits
: on insults and act as if they realize that inconsistency is the third
: easiest way to lose a formal debate.  They only want to get a response.
: By responding to their noise, you make them feel they exist and their
: continued existence matters to the universe.  Stop responding to them,
: and they'll implode on their intrinsic complete lack of character,
: intelligence, and personality.

First you mention "the strict limits on insults" then you accuse htem
of "their intrinsic complete lack of character, intelligent, and
personality."  Maybe you were talking about yourself when you said that
"they realize that inconsistency is the third easiest way to lose a
formal debate."

Do you include yourself among the "rational people" or among the
"kooks and wanabe-kooks"?

: Every time you repeat an arguument with a kook or exchange the same
: old you're-a-lier-and-forger-no-you-are flames, you hurt your own
: standing.  Please spend your mana more wisely.

I think I've just hurt my standing by having this exchange with Mr. Schryver

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com>
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
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Martin Hannigan wrote:
> I will cancel Ricardos article where he forged Boursy's photo
> address forthwith.


I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?
-- 
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From: vburke@server.skow-acc.com (Vern Burke)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
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In article <5nqhro$mv$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: In article <5nph6f$mrj$1@news2.digex.net>,
>: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: >Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: >: 

>Why are you essentially stalking Mr. Boursy to the point of putting up
>a picture of him, researching his private life, and then publicizing
>your findings to the world?  It's difficult to tell if you are
>trying to be malicious or if this is one big masturbatory fantasy.
>I can understand that you may not like another person's opinions but
>why are you making this personal?
>

why is mr boursy stalking people by researching their private lives
and publicizing his findings on the netscum page? just when i
thought i'd met the worst kooks on the net,  i made the mistake
of wandering into the path of grubor/boursy/et al. someday i'll
learn,




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From: callisto@jedibitch.com (Misty)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
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>What are you talking about?  I'm one of the few people in this group
>who is actually serious about stopping net abuse.  You damn goyim are
>just posting flames and personal attacks while pretending that you're
>not the biggest net abusers.


*ROTFL* You'll have to excuse me here, Ric. I thought the purpose of
this group *was* to flame. Duh.
(and yes, I know about all the other groups, blah blah blah.)

-Misty



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From: callisto@jedibitch.com (Misty)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
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>why is mr boursy stalking people by researching their private lives
>and publicizing his findings on the netscum page? just when i
>thought i'd met the worst kooks on the net,  i made the mistake
>of wandering into the path of grubor/boursy/et al. someday i'll
>learn,


And the worst part of it is, when the people that they have all that
information on care enough to try to correct it when they get it
wrong, so family members don't get harassed, they still don't change
it. 2 words. Fucking *wrong*.

-Misty




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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
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Jeff Garzik <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:

>Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> Jeff Garzik  <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
>> >I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?
>
>> It is. But according to the rules the way Ricardo writes them,
>> if you are "forge quoted" you should cancel the article.
>
>
>Murder is wrong, so let's commit more murder to show people how wrong it
>really is.
>
>Do you live your life according to the rules that Ricardo writes?

This is a dilemma for a lot of people especially in n.a.n-a.*. The
rascals and vandals can say/do whatever they want (defamation, lies,
poetry festival-style newsgroup bombs, rogue cancels, etc.) and we are
restrained from responding else we're chided by people like you.

I'd say Martin's and others' responses have been quite restrained
given the provocation.

We've turned the other cheek but not so far as to lose sight of those
who would attack us again.

jd



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <33A19147.67A151C4@spinne.com>,
: Jeff Garzik  <jeff.garzik@spinne.com> wrote:
: >Martin Hannigan wrote:
: >> I will cancel Ricardos article where he forged Boursy's photo
: >> address forthwith.
: >
: >
: >I thought the purpose of all this was to *stop* rogue cancelling?
: 
: It is. But according to the rules the way Ricardo writes them,
: if you are "forge quoted" you should cancel the article.

I never stated that "rule" and don't believe in it.  Stop making
up lies to justify your net abuse. 

: Ricardo forge quoted, I cancelled.
 
You seem to wear your net abuser status proudly.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Hannigan's negative attitude (was Re: 80 year old women)
Date: 1997/06/13
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Devin L. Ganger (lewst@teleport.com) wrote:
: In news.admin.censorship Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com>
: wrote:
: 
: : Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: : : 
: : : It's just really sick when you can't beat someone and you have to 
: : : resort THAT LOW.   
: :  
: : I think you've got a serious attitude problem.  Why do you insist on
: : making net abuse into an issue where you are trying to "beat someone"?
: : Answer that one Mr. Hannigan.
: 
: Am I hearing this correctly?
: 
: He's telling people to stop harrassing innocent parties and *you* say
: *he's* got the attitude problem?
: 
: Can you possibly try to explain the thinking behind that one?

Mr. Hannigan has already explained this by his attempts to "beat someone"
by posting and publicizing a picture a picture of someone who differs in
opinion with him.  Mr. Hannigan makes an "enemy" of people who don't
believe what he believes and tries to pursue them personally to cause
them harm.

While this is a net-abuse group, no one seems to be saying anything
critical about Mr. Hannigan's behaviour and many seem to be enjoying
their ability to cause others pain.  This is grand hypocrisy.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Letting people run their own machines (was Re: Boursy photo online)
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Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
: In <5nph6f$mrj$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
: Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: -Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: -: For all of you interested in Boursy, you can view what this net.abuser
: -: looks like at http://www1.shore.com/~hannigan/docs/boursy.html.
: -
: -Just because you don't like his ideas doesn't make him a "net.abuser".
: 
: No, but repeatedly posting to newsgroups wholly unrelated to his chosen
: topic, in spite of having been asked to stop, is.  

The problem is in the grey areas that none of us can agree upon.  
Unfortunately it's probably impossible to categorize any particular
posting as being correctly on-topic or off-topic and unless you are
the poster it might be hard to understand why certain groups were
included.  I suggest kill files as a solution instead of demanding
that someone not post certain ideas in certain groups.  If you don't
like a particular poster's ideology then killfile them and you won't
have to deal with it.

: -Why do you insist in defining others as enemies when they don't
: -agree with your opinions and then pursuing them personally instead
: -of debating their ideas?
: 
: If he had any reasonable ideas it might be worthwhile to debate him. But he
: seems to want to tell private owners of computer equipment what they can and
: can't do with their machines, has a penchant for profanity and name-calling
: and wants to recreate existing law in his own mind. Not a lot of room left
: for reasonable discussion Ric. 

I think you know it's more complicated than that.  The whole discussion
about control messages being advisory is bogus.  You guys assert that
all cancels are just advisory, but then when someone starts sending
cancel messages that you don't like (kikecancel, spiccancel, etc)
then you guys flip out and have that persons stopped for "net abuse".
Either cancels are advisory or they are not.  If they are advisory
then anyone can send them in any quantity and for any reason and it's
up to the private owners of computer equipment to figure out how to
act on them.

Additionally, newgroup and rmgroup messages are in theory advisory, but
you guys lash out with demands for account removal when someone that you
don't like sends them, or someone sends them for a group you don't
approve of.  Why not LEAVE IT ALONE and let the private owners of 
computer equipment figure out how they'll handle it.  The software
lets the private owners do whatever they want.  Why not let them
figure out how they want to handle control messages without any
influence or demands?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil (Alex Matulich 03T1)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/13
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In article <5n5st6$kc3$1@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>: Let's see, all the people who want to stop spamming have been called 
>: "net-Nazis" and now you're a "Warrior of Light" or some such for trying to 
>: impose ACTIVE censorship of personal opinions?
>
>I'm not trying to impose any censorship.  I'm just pointing out that
>all personal comments and flames are inappropriate for the news.admin

Then why are your so-called FAQs riddled with personal attacks against
individuals you single out by name?

Pot calling the kettle black.  How you can live with such double
standards is beyond e.

>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy

You wish.  *I* am the official FAQ maintainer in this heirarchy.  Accept
no substitutes!

-- 
"These are MY words, not my employer's"     /|
-- Alex Matulich --                __.  __=#||  ___   _o--
matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil ____##_/_____|==###===###____
                                \____________________________\



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From: imp@yoyo.mil (impLAnt)
Subject: Re: Boursy photo online
Date: 1997/06/13
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In article <151896447wnr@njmcov.demon.co.uk>, neil@njmcov.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Hi,
> > 
> > Why are you essentially stalking Mr. Boursy to the point of putting up
> > a picture of him, researching his private life, and then publicizing
> > your findings to the world?  It's difficult to tell if you are
> > trying to be malicious or if this is one big masturbatory fantasy.
> > I can understand that you may not like another person's opinions but
> > why are you making this personal?
> 
> He must be fought using the same pinciples.

YM "He must be fought using the same lack of principles."
                                     ^^^^^^^  ^

Your misspelling of "principles" is screaming "Freud!" at me.


> 
> -- 
> 
> Neil McAliece
> 
> neil@mcaliece.net

In reality Neil Hannigan will be dressed down in a court of law, because
that motherfucker has fucked up. Don't advocate his tactics.

-iMp
 news.admin.principals



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From: "Matthew G. Saroff" <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net>
Subject: Where in blazes did this come from?
Date: 1997/06/02
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970602140324.19414E-100000@pcans1.pca.net>#1/1
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Hi,
	I got the following email spam.
	I can't figure out the header.  If anyone could figure out a 
decent procmail script for this and where this excrement actually came 
from, please tell me.
	Normally, I would not quote a message verbatum, but there is an 
800 number in the message.  Call and leave a message explaining how you 
will never buy from spammers.

--Matthew Saroff
[posted to news.admin.net-abuse, news.admin.net-abuse.email and the 
Procmail list]


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From: brian moore <bem@thorin.cmc.net>
Subject: Re: Where in blazes did this come from?
Date: 1997/06/02
Message-ID: <5munj2$s2$1@news.cmc.net>#1/1
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Matthew G. Saroff <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net> wrote:
: Hi,
: 	I got the following email spam.
: 	I can't figure out the header.  If anyone could figure out a 
: decent procmail script for this and where this excrement actually came 
: from, please tell me.
: 	Normally, I would not quote a message verbatum, but there is an 
: 800 number in the message.  Call and leave a message explaining how you 
: will never buy from spammers.

What the hell is it with having 400 recieved lines.


: ---------- Forwarded message ----------

Envelope from: forged.

: Return-Path: email_5@pacbell.net

You got it from pacbell.net

: Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by pcans1.pca.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19384 for <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:59:36 GMT

Forged.

: From: email_5@pacbell.net

It came from a pacbell dialup.
: Received: from reduce-taxes (ppp-206-170-26-163.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.26.163]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA04021; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT)

The rest are forged.

Complain to abuse@pacbell.net


-- 
Brian Moore                      The opinions expressed above are my own, not
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker          necesarily my employers'.



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Subject: Re: Where in blazes did this come from?
Date: 1997/06/02
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>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew G Saroff <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net> writes:

 Matthew> Hi,
 Matthew> 	I got the following email spam.
 Matthew> I can't figure out the header.  If anyone could figure out a
 Matthew> decent procmail script for this and where this excrement
 Matthew> actually came from, please tell me.

A pacbell.net dialup.

> Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by pcans1.pca.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19384 for <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:59:36 GMT
> From: email_5@pacbell.net
> Received: from reduce-taxes (ppp-206-170-26-163.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.26.163]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA04021; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
> To: msaroff@pcans1.pca.net
> Subject: Learn To Save On Taxes. . .Earn More Money!
[loads of bogus Received: lines snipped]

Interpret Received lines from the top downwards. Stop as soon as you
reach an obvious dialup, or the Subject: header. (Received: headers
after the Subject: header are always bogus.)

-- 
Andrew.



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From: xzm@hrweb.org (Catherine Hampton)
Subject: Re: Where in blazes did this come from?
Date: 1997/06/02
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Matthew G. Saroff (msaroff@pcans1.pca.net) wrote:

: 	I got the following email spam.
: 	I can't figure out the header.  If anyone could figure out a 
: decent procmail script for this and where this excrement actually came 
: from, please tell me.

You bet.

: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: email_5@pacbell.net
: Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by pcans1.pca.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19384 for <msaroff@pcans1.pca.net>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:59:36 GMT
: From: email_5@pacbell.net
: Received: from reduce-taxes (ppp-206-170-26-163.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.26.163]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA04021; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT)

Legit Received header, although the jerk reported a bogus machine name of
reduce-taxes, which Pacbell's SMTP server correctly reflects as a 
Pacbell IP address.

: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
: To: msaroff@pcans1.pca.net
: Subject: Learn To Save On Taxes. . .Earn More Money!
: Received: (from capt_domo@lclhost!) by pc.spark_er.net (8.7.3/6.7.3) id CFF34285 for planet_oreo_horizon; Sat, 17 May 2001 20:12:58 -0500 (CDT)
: Message-Id: <199706020653.e-mail@E_C_D.com>
: Received: from in2.i_b_m.net (in2.i_b_m.net [165.87.194.259]) by pc.spark_er.net (8.7.3/6.7.3) with SMTP id CFF89281 for <rodney@LAPD!.com>; Sat, 17 May 2001 20:12:55 -0500 (CDT)

The IP address 165.87.194.259 is bogus -- no part of an IP address can
ever be higher than 255.  My guess is that the previous Received: header
is also a forgery.  All received headers under a bogus header like this
are forgeries by definition.  Don't let long strings of Received: headers
fool you. :/

I catch all such spam with bogus IP addresses and a string of common
bogus domains using this recipe:

:0:
* (^Received.*\[[0-9\.]*([03-9][0-9][0-9]|2[6-9][0-9]|25[6-9])\]|\
   ^(From.|Reply-To:|Message-ID:|Received:).*[^0-9a-z](i_b_m\.net|\
           oogabooga\.com|\
           savethetrees\.net))
/dev/null

Hope this helps. 


-- 
Catherine Hampton <ariel@tempest.boxmail.com>

(Please note that the address in my "From:" header is a spam trap.)



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/02
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: In article <5mv4lh$1q1$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: > There is no boilerplate sir.  I am replying as appropriate to each
: > off-topic post and flame war bait that strikes me as particularly
: > flagrant.
: 
: We can't respond to Steve in appropriate groups because he doesn't read them.

You can respond but the original poster is not responsible for reading
every article in every appropriate group.  Make sure though that you stick
to a factual response and don't just post some flame or attack on Mr. Boursy
because he doesn't agree with you.  If the original poster doesn't see
the message or doesn't feel like honoring your flame with a reply then
that's his choice to not engage in communication with you.

: We can't ask him these questions in groups he does read, because now
: you say it's flame war bait.

You can ask questions related to news administration net-abuse topics
in the news.admin hierarchy.  I can't speak about other hierarchies.
It is inappropriate to ask personal questions unrelated to news 
administration net-abuse and it is inappropriate when you provoke
Mr. Boursy and others by calling them names to draw them into flame
wars.

: Tell you what, Ricardo. When Steve makes an off topic post, I'll let YOU
: point out that it's off topic. If you don't, then what can anyone assume but
: that you're engaging in the exact same behaviour that you're bemoaning.

I don't read every message in the news.admin hierarchy.  You guys are 
posting way too much flameway provoking material and personal attacks 
that the signal to noise ratio has become pathetic.  I am teaming up
with Johnathan Kamens and other Jewish Internet Leaders to boycott the
Goyim Noise Making that Ratcliffe, Manson, and others are participating 
in.  If any of you are non-gentiles, please notify by email and I will
be better able to assess your discourse.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
Israel Parachute Team
Semper Cannibis



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/02
Message-ID: <5mvf25$1cp$2@news2.digex.net>#1/1
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Tigerden System Admin (root@bengal.tigerden.com) wrote:
: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
:      
: ABOUT CAUCE:
:      
: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 

These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
Semper Cannibis



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Clumsy Cabal MisInformation  Was: Netscum Pages Win Internet Award
Date: 1997/06/02
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Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
: >  Yes--the netscum pages are at http://www.netscum.org/
: >
: >  He knows that--he's just threatened by them.
: 
: Gee Steve, that didn't work either.  Are you sure you've got the URL
: right?
 
You have intentionally altered the message that Mr. Boursy had posted.
The URL is http://www.netscum.net/

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: rs@sensible-com.net (Ron Schwarz)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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On 2 Jun 1997 21:47:49 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Tigerden System Admin (root@bengal.tigerden.com) wrote:
>: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
>:      
>: ABOUT CAUCE:
>:      
>: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
>: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
>: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 
>
>These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
>and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
>credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>Semper Cannibis

Ho har hah!  What perrrrrfect timing, mister "Offical FAQ Maintainer"
(ack spit retch).  Tell me, did you perchance have that little spew
prepared *before* the forged CAUCE traffic was sent out?


--
Reverse com & net to reply.
Email flames and spam cheerfully reciprocated in spades
to you, your admin, your upstream provider and [guess!]



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: How to reach Dimitri Vulis
Date: 1997/06/03
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Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) wrote:
: In news.admin.misc, Martin Hannigan <hannigan@shore.net> writes:
: 
: > Need to speak to Dimitri Vulis KOTM or Michael Vulis?
: 
: Is the object to encourage harassment of someone?  I thought that's what
: the net-abuse hierarchy was for discussing how to *stop*.

It seems that Hannigan and the others are just interested in inventing
enemies and then harassing them to achieve their "victories".  In all
of this, the original idea of stopping net abuse has been pushed aside
and in its place is a vulgar set of personal attacks.

Hannigan and others have demonstrated that they lack ideas and motivation
to stop net abuse and instead are attacking people who they have chosen
to dislike for whatever reason.  This is entirely inappropriate.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
Date: 1997/06/03
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: 
: >that the signal to noise ratio has become pathetic.  I am teaming up
: >with Johnathan Kamens and other Jewish Internet Leaders to boycott the
: >Goyim Noise Making that Ratcliffe, Manson, and others are participating 
: 
: I find it hard to believe that Jon Kamens <jik> would team up 
: with you. You sure he said it was okay? Jik is a lot of things, but
: a complete net.idiot he is not.

Jonathan Kamens and I work together in support of Kelal Yisrael, and
as such our moral authority serves to correct problems that spiritless
goyim like you have created.  Whlie Jonathan Kamens and I have had our 
heated discussions in the past, such as the thread on the measure of 
humane killing used to classify Kosher meat products, we stand united 
against the noise that you goyim are creating on this group.  We also 
are in agreement about the strategies we use to handle anti-Zionists.
But we are most of all in agreement about one thing: we want to get 
back to the discussion of ethical issues in the news.admin hierarchy!

I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a
boycott of the flame wars and personal attacks that have recently taken
hold of this group.  Also please contact me regarding any goyim that you
might nominate as hasidei `umoth ha-olam, though given their record it
is unlikely.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Clumsy Cabal MisInformation  Was: Netscum Pages Win Internet Award
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Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
: In article <5mvfgp$1cp$4@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
: (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
: >: >  Yes--the netscum pages are at http://www.netscum.org/
: >: >
: >: >  He knows that--he's just threatened by them.
: >: 
: >: Gee Steve, that didn't work either.  Are you sure you've got the URL
: >: right?
: > 
: >You have intentionally altered the message that Mr. Boursy had posted.
: >The URL is http://www.netscum.mil/
: 
: Did he really?  I must have missed it.

Wow.  You goyim are really helping to stop net abuse with your games.

http://www.netscum.net/

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
Date: 1997/06/03
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What the fuck does being a Jew/Goy have to do with the N/S ratio?

(Note the From: Address, .il is Israel. I'm a Jew, so don't give me the
 'you're a racist' crap.)

N.

Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
: Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: : 
: : >that the signal to noise ratio has become pathetic.  I am teaming up
: : >with Johnathan Kamens and other Jewish Internet Leaders to boycott the
: : >Goyim Noise Making that Ratcliffe, Manson, and others are participating 
: : 
: : I find it hard to believe that Jon Kamens <jik> would team up 
: : with you. You sure he said it was okay? Jik is a lot of things, but
: : a complete net.idiot he is not.

: Jonathan Kamens and I work together in support of Kelal Yisrael, and
: as such our moral authority serves to correct problems that spiritless
: goyim like you have created.  Whlie Jonathan Kamens and I have had our 
: heated discussions in the past, such as the thread on the measure of 
: humane killing used to classify Kosher meat products, we stand united 
: against the noise that you goyim are creating on this group.  We also 
: are in agreement about the strategies we use to handle anti-Zionists.
: But we are most of all in agreement about one thing: we want to get 
: back to the discussion of ethical issues in the news.admin hierarchy!

: I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
: on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a
: boycott of the flame wars and personal attacks that have recently taken
: hold of this group.  Also please contact me regarding any goyim that you
: might nominate as hasidei `umoth ha-olam, though given their record it
: is unlikely.

: -Ric G.
: Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
: "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
: sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6


--
--
Nir Soffer AKA ScorpioS. scorpios@cs.huji.ac.il
"Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat"
                -- John Lehman, Secretary of the Navy 1981-1987




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In article <5n07d2$gt1$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
|> Jonathan Kamens and I work together in support of Kelal Yisrael,

I do not work together with Ricardo Hector Gonzales in support of
anything.

If I were to make such a "shidduch" with him, I would first want to
speak to his rabbi or teachers to find out what kind of a person he is,
but that's impossible since he has refused to name his rabbi or
teachers.  Surely, if we "work together" and "stand united" as he
claims we do, there is no reason for him to conceal that information
from me.

|> Whlie Jonathan Kamens and I have had our 
|> heated discussions in the past,

Duh.

|> such as the thread on the measure of 
|> humane killing used to classify Kosher meat products,

This thread never took place.  If it did, then I can only assume that
Ricardo was using another of his aliases to participate in it, because
I certainly never had such a discussion with any Ricardo Hector
Gonzales.

|> we stand united 
|> against the noise that you goyim are creating on this group.

I don't stand united with Ricardo against anything.  And I certainly
don't think that "goyim" are creating the noise in the net-abuse
newsgroups, any more than I think that the Jews control all the banks.

|> I urge all Jews to contact me privately through email with your thoughts
|> on the signal to noise ration of this group and of your thoughts on a
|> boycott of the flame wars and personal attacks that have recently taken
|> hold of this group.

I urge anyone, Jewish or otherwise, to think very carefully before
corresponding with Ricardo in E-mail.  His sincerity and intentions are
questionable, to say the least.

As this message proves, every once in a while I find myself in the mood
to respond to one of Ricardo's fantasized rants about me.  You should
not conclude from this that I intend to engage in a prolonged
discussion with him; in fact, I do not intend to post anything more in
this thread (although I reserve the right to do so if he comes up with
something so ludicrous that I feel the need to refute it).  You should
assume that if anything Ricardo posts about me sounds suspicious or
untrue, it probably is.  If you find something he says about me
credible, feel free to send me E-mail and ask me about it.

(No, I haven't started reading the net-abuse newsgroups again.  Someone
told me about Ricardo's posting.)



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From: atari@teleport.com (Rich Tietjens)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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In article <5mvf25$1cp$2@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>
>Tigerden System Admin (root@bengal.tigerden.com) wrote:
>: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
>:      
>: ABOUT CAUCE:
>:      
>: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
>: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
>: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 
>
>These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
>and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
>credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>Semper Cannibis

Obviously, Ric has been "testing" far too much of his favorite product lately.

CAUSE is the organization that is OPPOSED to spamming.  (At least) One of the 
spammers has FORGED spam purporting to be from CAUCE - but it was so clumsy 
that anyone who wasn't stupid, or on drugs, or both, would have seen it for 
what it was almost immediately.  Even the "Beth Arnold" spammer is better at 
forgery.

Of course, Ric pretends to be the "Official FAQ Maintainer" but neglects to 
mention that he's self-appointed and has few (if any) widely-accepted answers 
in his FAQ.  The few actual facts that crept in were probably overlooked.  
It's difficult to proofread when the proofreader is stoned out of his mind.

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
Message-ID: <33992866.7333256@news.primenet.com>#1/1
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

     
>: ABOUT CAUCE:
>:      
>: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
>: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
>: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 
>
>These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
>and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
>credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.

Ric - 
  Are you so naive that you can't tell a phony UCE when you see
one?  It was the blue list person, trying a desperation move to
discredit CAUCE and the Smith bill.  


Callie
Callie @-sign writepage.com      http://www.writepage.com
(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out)
I report all junk mail to:
fraudinfo@psinet.com (Internet Fraud Center - general frauds)
pyramid@ftc.gov  (MLM stuff - phone card distributorships, etc.)
enforcement@sec.gov  (investment fraud & stock offers)
jccheezum@uspis.gov ("send $ to the names" chain letters)
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From: jdfalk@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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In news.admin.net-abuse.email, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
	and a bunch of groups that don't really exist,
	Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote...

> These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
> and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
> credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.

	So, Ric, I guess it was you behind that spam?  Kinda felt like
	your kind of thing.

	It also proves that you're lying through your teeth whenever you
	say you're against spam (which we all assumed anyway.)

> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> Semper Cannibis

	Lest anybody new is here, Ric is not officially anything.  He
	delights in mimicing people who are actually trusted, in hopes
	that he'll dupe some poor newbie into becoming a kook.


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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/03
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: 
: > If any of you are non-gentiles, please notify by email and I will
: > be better able to assess your discourse.
: 
: I can't do that. Steve Boursy has declared that email response to Usenet
: posts is harassment. And he did it in this group, so it must be on-topic.

It may be harassment in the abuse forms that you guys use it, but in this
case I am specifically asking for input from Jews on the topic on the recent
increase in interest on personal rather than net abuse topics in the net
abuse groups.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
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Nir Soffer (scorpios@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il) wrote:
: 
: What the fuck does being a Jew/Goy have to do with the N/S ratio?

Look at the people who are adding the noise to these groups: Hannigan,
Manson, Ratcliffe, Podsiadlik,...

Jews are taught ethics and respect.  What we are seeing in these groups
is goyim showing the worst possible understanding of fellow man and a
complete lack of scholarship.  They have forgotten about the issue of
net abuse and ethics and are making issues personal.  This has led to
a dramatic increase in flames and personal attacks and I feel that the
issue of net abuse has been forgotten by the goyim.

So far I've gotten positive support from other Jews on their concern 
about the goyim noise here.  If you are a Jew, please send email to me
with your thoughts.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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Thanks for trying to redirect followups to "junk" so that your libel
couldn't be pointed out.

J.D. Falk (jdfalk@cyberNOTHING.org) wrote:
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: 
: In news.admin.net-abuse.email, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
: 	and a bunch of groups that don't really exist,
: 	Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote...
: 
: > These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
: > and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
: > credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.
: 
: 	So, Ric, I guess it was you behind that spam?  Kinda felt like
: 	your kind of thing.

No, I had nothing to do with the spam except that I was a victim of it.
You goyim are always quick to attack without any proof.

: 	It also proves that you're lying through your teeth whenever you
: 	say you're against spam (which we all assumed anyway.)

I'm against spam, which includes spam by anti-spam people.  All we need is
a good set of traditional ethics instead of anti-spam approach that can
be easily extended to demand censorship.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: SPAM: Boycott list of spammers
Date: 1997/06/03
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Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
: kibo greps <kibo@shell.thecia.net> wrote:
: 
: >Dave Murphy <laidback@laidback.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
: >: On 30 May 1997 00:45:26 -0400, kbcowboy@hotmail.com (Keyboard Cowboy)
: >: wrote:
: >
: >: ><url:http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6757/boycott.html>
: >: >
: >: >The IPC wants to hit big spammers where it hurts most, their wallet.
: >: >We ask that you boycott the businesses listed at the above URL and ask
: >: >your friends and family to do the same.
: >: >
: >: What is the IPC?
: >
: >A bunch of censor assholes waiting to be sued.
: >
: >Read more about them at http://www.netscum.com
: 
: I keep trying that URL, but it doesn't work.

The correct URL is of course http://www.netscum.net/

Thanks for not being petty!

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: "Patricia A. Shaffer" <ramsa@swva.net>
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
snip of stupidity to protect fools

> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> Semper Cannibis

In my professional opinion, I'd suggest you better lay off the cannabis
for awhile and get back in touch with reality.

Patricia



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Subject: Re: Clumsy Cabal MisInformation  Was: Netscum Pages Win Internet Award
Date: 1997/06/03
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In article <5n083j$gt1$2@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
>: In article <5mvfgp$1cp$4@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
>: (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>: >Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
>: >: >  Yes--the netscum pages are at http://www.netscum.org/

>: >: >  He knows that--he's just threatened by them.

>: >: Gee Steve, that didn't work either.  Are you sure you've got the URL
>: >: right?

>: >You have intentionally altered the message that Mr. Boursy had posted.
>: >The URL is http://www.netscum.mil/

>: Did he really?  I must have missed it.

>Wow.  You goyim are really helping to stop net abuse with your games.

>http://www.netscum.edu/

I missed the beginning of this, but I can't seem to make that URL work 
either... 

-- 
Michael Parson
Mail sent to this posting host will not make it to me, to reply,
send to just the domain.



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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5n1fpg$7pp$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: >: 
: >: > If any of you are non-gentiles, please notify by email and I will
: >: > be better able to assess your discourse.
: >: 
: >: I can't do that. Steve Boursy has declared that email response to Usenet
: >: posts is harassment. And he did it in this group, so it must be on-topic.
: >
: >It may be harassment in the abuse forms that you guys use it, but in this
: >case I am specifically asking for input from Jews on the topic on the recent
: >increase in interest on personal rather than net abuse topics in the net
: >abuse groups.
: 
: Jews have nothing to do with the noise/signal ratio.

Very close.  I'd say that in general, Jews provide signal.  It it clearly
the Goyim like Hannigan, Manson, Ratcliffe, and others who try to make
enemies and attack people personally instead of sticking to net abuse
issues.

Those who have studied Jewish teachings respects others as individuals
which means discussing the FACTS and not the PERSONAL.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5n1gaj$7pp$2@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >Nir Soffer (scorpios@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il) wrote:
: >: 
: >: What the fuck does being a Jew/Goy have to do with the N/S ratio?
: >
: >Look at the people who are adding the noise to these groups: Hannigan,
: >Manson, Ratcliffe, Podsiadlik,...
: 
: And? How do you know none of us are jews? Are you racist enough to  
: believe that our names indicate our religion?

No.  I believe by your behavior that you have not been properly schooled
in Jewish teachings.  If you are really Jewish then I suggest that you
should be ashamed of yourself for your public behavior in these groups.

: >Jews are taught ethics and respect.  What we are seeing in these groups
: 
: So aren't catholics, blacks, italians, protestants, muslims, etc. etc.

Their community is not as tight and their teachings are not as strict.

: >So far I've gotten positive support from other Jews on their concern 
: >about the goyim noise here.  If you are a Jew, please send email to me
: >with your thoughts.
: 
: How do you know who is a jew and who isn't? Jon Kamens just spanked
: you for making a similair claim involving him. 

Jonathan Kamens is a confused self-hating Jew who doesn't seem to be
consistant in his work against anti-Zionists.  If he doesn't want to
help this effort, he's got to understand that it's harmful as a whole
to the Jewish community.

: The fact is religion [ real religion, not Grubor worship ]  has
: nothing to do with news.admin.*

My post was about a boycott of the noise and personal attacks that you and 
other goyim were creating lately.  I do not want to begin threads on
religion in these groups but you are steering it in that direction while
I want to talk about stopping the noise and personal attacks that you
perpetuate with still more noise and personal attacks.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/03
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Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) wrote:
: >:      
: >: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
: >: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
: >: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 
: >
: >These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
: >and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
: >credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.
: 
: Ric - 
:   Are you so naive that you can't tell a phony UCE when you see
: one?  It was the blue list person, trying a desperation move to
: discredit CAUCE and the Smith bill.  

I don't study UCE because I've got work to do.  I just delete it
and move on and instead of spending hours trying to get revenge.
While you guys spend hours a day dealing with it, I spend just a
few seconds.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Rastafarian Ninja Elvis-Impersonators unite against Kooks trying to Unite you!  (was: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks)
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Members,

It's come to the attention of the RNEIA (Rastafarian Ninja
Elvis-Impersonators Association) that one Ricardo Hector Gorzales is
trolling Usenet with irrelevant appeals to irrelevant segments of the
population in an attempt to make some stupid-ass point about
topicality of posting.  Ric's trying to be annoying enough for
somebody to do or say something "ill-considered" and thus justify his
(Ric's) subsequent cries of "I'm bein' repressed!   Come and see the
violence inherant in the system!") 

Our covert unit has found evidence that RNEIs will be the next
minority to be trolled.   Do not panic.   We expect our defense to be
aided by our brethren of the Albino Belgian Athiest Accountants League
and the Schitzophrenic Solipsist Society.

Ziggy-Spliff "The King" Tanaka-Presley, President of the RNEIA
advises "don't get all shook up, mon!  Don't you worry 'bout a t'ing."

This warning will NOT be repeated!   All email to the RNEIA will be
Returned To Sender.

-- Rick
-----------
** BOURSY!! TAKE THE CHALLENGE!!!!
** (I might wind up singing the Jailhouse Rock!)



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From: scottb@wolfram.com (Scott Brown)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/04
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) wrote:
>: >:      
>: >: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
>: >: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
>: >: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 
>: >
>: >These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
>: >and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
>: >credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.
>: 
>: Ric - 
>:   Are you so naive that you can't tell a phony UCE when you see
>: one?  It was the blue list person, trying a desperation move to
>: discredit CAUCE and the Smith bill.  

>I don't study UCE because I've got work to do.  I just delete it
>and move on and instead of spending hours trying to get revenge.
>While you guys spend hours a day dealing with it, I spend just a
>few seconds.

Ahh, but you didn't, Ricky m'boy. You posted for all the world
to see an opinion based on ignorance. And now you've admitted
your ignorance. Here's a tip for you, wee one. Hide your ignorance.
Not that you're capable of fooling anyone with a wit of wits
(that's .21% of a wit, or 1200 times your own capacity) with
your churlish and childish pranks, but at least you can hope for 
plausible deniability. As is, must be terrible to have to
backpedal so futilely in what's now become a sadly pathetic
demonstration of your own witlessness.

Oh yeah...I forgot...<FLAME></FLAME>. Feel better, rickette?

Scott


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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
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Jim Manson (jmanson@nospam.visi.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: >
: >Those who have studied Jewish teachings respects others as individuals
: >which means discussing the FACTS and not the PERSONAL.
: 
: So in other words trying to insult someone by tying them into a
: notorious criminal simply because the last name is the same is
: considered by you to be discussing the facts and not being personal?

I am not judging by last names.  I am only judging by behavior.  When
you guys refuse to discuss net abuse and only want to attack people
personally then I can see that you are in possession of a lower-ordered
soul than the Jew.  The Talmud teaches of the Goyim's lack of ethics,
morality, and spirituality.  Your *BEHAVIOUR* serves to prove this.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com wrote...
:
:Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
:
::We can't respond to Steve in appropriate groups because he doesn't 
::read them.

  Hum--I read your very own cabal cesspool
news.admin.net-abuse.misc everyday Peter--
but your overall level of discussion is
seldom worth commenting on.  Seriously--
you've declined a great deal over the
past 6 months--not that you had much going
for you to begin with.

:You can respond but the original poster is not responsible 
:for reading every article in every appropriate group.  

  True--for example some stalk me--take Ratcliffe, Hooligan,
Felix the Cat (who the hell is going to respond to Felix
the Cat?)--generally I just hit the delete key (well
always with Hannigan).  There are plenty to discuss issues
with--these are not amoung them.

:Make sure though that you stick to a factual response and 
:don't just post some flame or attack on Mr. Boursy
:because he doesn't agree with you.  If the original poster 
:doesn't see the message or doesn't feel like honoring your 
:flame with a reply then that's his choice to not engage in 
:communication with you.

  Yes--and this isn't in reference to Peter but with many
it brings out their true stalking nature--they'll start
emailing you--anything for a bit of attention.

                      
                      Steve
                      news.admin.censorship

:-Ric G.
:Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
:Israel Parachute Team
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/04
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Henry Churchyard (churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Hey, Ricky -- from what I've seen from reading soc.culture.jewish
: sporadically from time to time, orthodox Jews who take their
: religion seriously seem to be highly concerned with something they
: call Lashon Ha-Ra` ("evil tongue"); according to which even many
: factually _true_ negative statements about other people (including
: what may sometimes seem to be innocent gossip) are often forbidden.
: 
:   _____________________________________________________________
: 
: <URL:ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/soc.culture.jewish/faq.01-FAQ-intro>

Correct.  That is why my rabbi instructed me to not engage in any
personal statements at all except positive ones.  He also urged me
to stop others from engaging in personal attacks and that is what
started my current effort.  Given that perspective, I noticed the
large amount of noise that is off-topic - doesn't anyone else see
how so many people (mentioned previously) are posting off-topic and
personally based remarks?  Not only are they not dealing with
net abuse issues, they are targetting individuals.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Craig Sherwood (acs@UCEBlock.inetrex.com) wrote:
: In newsgroup alt.usenet.kooks, post
: <5n2vpc$oar$2@news2.digex.net>,ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
: Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >My movement is at its source Jewish and I wish to team up with other
: >Jews.  
: 
: Would you then care to comment on the raving anti-semitism of your
: webpage, hosted by Spamford Wallace and maintained by...

I have nothing to do with the netscum web page at http://www.netscum.net/

Your line of pursuit is also personal and has nothing to do with net
abuse and is therefore off topic in this newsgroup.  I will *NOT*
engage in personal discussions that are unrelated to net abuse and
urge you to take a similar approach.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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J Durbin (slothrop@poisson.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >You guys insist on making things personal and persuing the personal lives
: >of posters (as you've done with trying to get the addresses of your
: >self-invented "enemies" - those who post ideas you don't like).  That's
: >simply off-topic and has nothing to do with net abuse.  Can't you see
: >how your lines of pursuit are inappropriate?
: 
: Forget it Gonzales, the double-reverse spin isn't going to work. Your
: rep is too widely known.

You're the one trying to make this personal.  I want to discuss the issues
and you guys refuse to talk about net abuse.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/04
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Jim Manson (jmanson@nospam.visi.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >You guys insist on making things personal and persuing the personal lives
: >of posters (as you've done with trying to get the addresses of your
: >self-invented "enemies" - those who post ideas you don't like).  That's
: >simply off-topic and has nothing to do with net abuse.  Can't you see
: >how your lines of pursuit are inappropriate?
: 
: Oh- care to post where I have ever advocated posting addresses or
: phone numbers for people on the net?

I don't know about you personally as I don't track individual behaviours,
but I've seen within the last week someone who posted Dr. Vulis' home
address presumably with the intention of advocating harassment.  Many
of you guys have said in the past that you'd like Dr. Grubor's home
address and phone number.  This sort of thing is inappropriate and has
nothing to do with net abuse.

You must learn to address the issues and leave the personal attacks
and hatred out of it.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/04
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Jim Manson (jmanson@nospam.visi.com) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: >Craig Sherwood (acs@UCEBlock.inetrex.com) wrote:
: >: In newsgroup alt.usenet.kooks, post
: >: <5n2vpc$oar$2@news2.digex.net>,ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
: >: Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: >: 
: >: >My movement is at its source Jewish and I wish to team up with other
: >: >Jews.  
: >: 
: >: Would you then care to comment on the raving anti-semitism of your
: >: webpage, hosted by Spamford Wallace and maintained by...
: >
: >I have nothing to do with the netscum web page at http://www.netscum.net/
: >
: >Your line of pursuit is also personal and has nothing to do with net
: >abuse and is therefore off topic in this newsgroup.  I will *NOT*
: >engage in personal discussions that are unrelated to net abuse and
: >urge you to take a similar approach.
: 
: Such as personal attacks based on people's last names?
: Hmm, less than  month ago you seemed to think doing it was fine.

After making those jokes about you and Charles Manson, I spoke with my 
rabbi, made a public apology, and have stopped from making any more
jokes or comments about last names.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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In article <5n1gaj$7pp$2@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Nir Soffer (scorpios@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il) wrote:
>: 
>: What the fuck does being a Jew/Goy have to do with the N/S ratio?
>

Please don't put the ratio that way up. It's "S/N". Otherwise you risk
arithmetic exceptions in some newsgroups.

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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
Date: 1997/06/05
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: In article <5n4hmt$b24$4@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: > No.  I want people to stand up against their personal attacks and urge
: > them to stop their flame wars.  This group is for the discussion of net
: > abuse.  It is not here so they can target their enemies, make personal
: > investigations into others, or flame people.
: 
: Splendid. Now will you stand up against the worst abusers on this group?
: 
: 	John Grubor.
: 	Steve Boursy.
: 	Dimitri Vulis.
: 	Ricardo Gonzalez.

The "crime" of the "abusers" that you mention are that their opinions
differ with yours.  If you don't like what they say then you can killfile
them and move on.  You do not need to harass them, flame them, attack them
personally, call them names, or call for some sort of punitive "justice"
because they won't agree with you.

This used to be a group about net abuse.  Now you guys have made it a group
about attacking people you don't like.  This approach neglects the real
issue of net abuse and that's simply wrong.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6




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Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
: 
: -My post was about a boycott of the noise and personal attacks that you and 
: -other goyim were creating lately.  I do not want to begin threads on
: -religion in these groups 
: 
: Subject: Jews unite against net-abuse, flame wars and personal attacks (was
: Re: Ricardo is spamming?)
: 
: Who wrote that subject line Ric? The tooth fairy? "I do not want to begin
: threads on religions in these groups" my ass. 

I began the thread as a method of stopping net abuse.  I will not discuss
my religious beliefs in this thread however and it's inappropriate for
you to ask me to when this thread is about uniting against personal attacks
and other approaches you guys take to avoid discussing net abuse.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/05
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Mark Edwards (I_hate_spam_medwards@onramp.net) wrote:
: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: 
: Did anyone else notice Ricardo's name in the BlueList? Does this seem (as
: it does to me) that he is one of the BlueListers?

If you take the time to track down why I'm on the BlueList you'd see
that I actually tried to do something about spam, unlike the many who
talk and complain but don't take solid action.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
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sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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Subject: Re: False Jews unite against net-abuse
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J Durbin (jed@netcom.com) wrote:
: Early on the participants in nana.*  argued with you

Why do you always have to make this about arguing?  Why won't you work
together with others to stop net abuse instead of making *EVERYTHING*
personal?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
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Fantasia (fantasia@netcom.com) wrote:
:
: Wait.. call me confused.. but... 
: Back when you hit the net with your cyberretromoderationbot hoopla, I
: thought you had a URL in your sig that pointed to your web page on Satanism.
: Wasn't it something like http://www.anus.com/goat or something?

I am not GOAT, though I have worked with him in the past, most notably
to expose Michael Scheidell's content based cancelling.  Please do not
confuse GOAT and I.

Your personal pursuit of this topic is off-topic for net abuse groups.
We should be discussing net abuse, not my esoteric religious beliefs.
Please do not get off subject.

A previous post by GOAT on the topic of how you guys have confused our 
is attached below.

*** MONTHLY POSTING

FAQ: Discerning the Subtle Differences Between Ricardo Gonzales and
GOAT for Identification Purposes

I. About this FAQ
II. Who is Ricardo
III. Who is GOAT
IV. How to tell the difference
V. Why you might be confused

I. About this FAQ

1. Why does this FAQ exist?

This FAQ was written to clear up the confusion that many readers of
news.admin.net-abuse.misc experienced when in their clinically
paranoid worldview two new voices spoke clearly against them and
identified them as members of a shared mindset, an intellectual Cabal
which fears the freedom of the Internet.

2. Who wrote this FAQ?  Who posts is?  Why do you care?

<a href=http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/>GOAT</a> wrote this.  I am
posting it.  GOAT says: I care because I can envision a better way.

II.  Whois: Ricardo Gonzales

[ Ricardo, can you get me any biographical information for this?  I
don't really know how to express it, and a writing sample might be
nice ]

Ricardo Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> is a computer and social
thinking pioneer who posts lengthy critiques of existing society and
its hypocrises in the hope of ideological enlightenment of the general
public.  For this reason his postings piss off a lot of people.  He
favors concrete logic and mathematical, surgical reasoning to
explicate his points.

The Cabal hates him for showing them up for being the paper tigers
they are, and consequently deride him as insane, but reading Ricardo's
prose makes me think of a very careful and diligent journalist who has
thought each angle and made a decision based on his knowledge of the
situation - an extensive database.  His writing shows study of
language, an appetite for complexity, and a logical method of
refinement that rewards him with cogent deconstuctionist explications
of systems and methods.

III.  Whois: GOAT

GOAT <goat@anus.com;http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/goat.html> is a
writer living in Los Angeles who expresses himself with metaphor and
pattern comparison response rather than a more technical outlook.  His
vision is of total destruction of any form of power hierarchy on the
Internet.

Many Cabal members use words like "psychotic" and "insane" and
"asshole" to describe GOAT, of which he acknowledges only the latter.

IV. How to tell the Difference

If the poster is using technical words in direct syntax explaining and
then questioning, or very carefully skewering his opponents, it is
probably Ricardo.  This is usually indicated by a field named
something like "From:" which will read "Ricardo@Paranoia.Com".
Ricardo is not GOAT.

If the poster is "goat@anus.com", the "Summary" line says FUCK YOU and
the language is metaphorical and the vision seemingly insane, it is
probably GOAT.  He is not Ricardo.

V.  Why You Might Be Confused

When criticized, most humans react defensively as they fear the loss
of autonomy from someone else altering their worldview through dynamic
explication or denial.  Consequently, it is very easy to become
paranoid and imagine an enemy, a "Satan" or mythical feared archetype
of race/sexuality, and to group your enemies.

On a lesser level members of the so-called USENET Cabal (an informal
grouping of like-minded people who aspire to run USENET news through
cancelations of offending messages and intimidation of ISPs) and
others who perpetuate unnecessary and oppressive power structures may
find themselves confusing Ricardo and GOAT, and villifying them
unnecessarily.  This paranoia can be alleviated by recognizing that
more than one person or entity at a time will hate you for your
actions which violate the respect, the space, and the aspirations of
others.

There are a variety of treatments that could be recommended with
corresponding pharmaceutical complexities.  Write to GOAT@anus.com for
suggested treatment.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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On 5 Jun 1997 03:34:25 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>*** MONTHLY POSTING
>
>FAQ: Discerning the Subtle Differences Between Ricardo Gonzales and
>GOAT for Identification Purposes
>
>I. About this FAQ
>II. Who is Ricardo
  
    A posturing nobody
  
>III. Who is GOAT

  Who cares, anyone that is associated with a moron like ricardo is a
nonentity.

>1. Why does this FAQ exist?

 To give a posturing nobody a feeling that he could possibly
contribute something to the world. 


>2. Who wrote this FAQ?  Who posts is?  Why do you care?

  A posturing nobody

>IV. How to tell the Difference

 Who cares? neither of them has a clue nor the knowledge of where to
obtain one.

 plonk

==Captain Jim (capj@buffnet.net) says "Owning an E-mail account==
==is granting explicit permission for anyone to send mail to it."==
==Go Ahead. SPAM ME!!!                                           ==    



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Subject: Spam control proposal--new mailing list
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A new mailing list has been established in light of the spam control
proposal at http://www.interact-net.com/spam.  To join the list, please
visit the web site first to get acquainted with the structure of the
proposal, then send an e-mail to listserv@interact-net.com with the body:
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Jon Davis
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From: atari@teleport.com (Rich "Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy" Tietjens)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/05
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In article <5n2v94$oar$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>
>... I can see that you are in possession of a lower-ordered
>soul than the Jew.  The Talmud teaches of the Goyim's lack of ethics,
>morality, and spirituality.  Your *BEHAVIOUR* serves to prove this.

Gee, and all along I had the crazy idea that equal treatment (which 
to me means "do as you would be done to" - a rather famous Jew said that) 
regardless of race, religion, or national origin was a Good Idea, and now here 
the !Official FAKE Mainliner points out that, since I am not a Jew, I'm 
incapable of ethics, morals, or whatever.

<Sniff>  Something stinks here.  Oh, I see it now - it's hypocrisy.


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From: atari@teleport.com (Rich "Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy" Tietjens)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/05
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In article <5n4h8j$b24$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
>
>... my rabbi instructed me to not engage in any
>personal statements at all except positive ones.  He also urged me
>to stop others from engaging in personal attacks and that is what
>started my current effort.  ...

Let's see, all the people who want to stop spamming have been called 
"net-Nazis" and now you're a "Warrior of Light" or some such for trying to 
impose ACTIVE censorship of personal opinions?

I seem to recall a sect called the Pharisees who weren't real popular with a 
certain prophet about 2k years ago for similar reasons.


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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
Date: 1997/06/05
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: Let's see, all the people who want to stop spamming have been called 
: "net-Nazis" and now you're a "Warrior of Light" or some such for trying to 
: impose ACTIVE censorship of personal opinions?

I'm not trying to impose any censorship.  I'm just pointing out that
all personal comments and flames are inappropriate for the news.admin
hierarchy.  You are free to make those in alt.flame or similar groups
but those sort of discussion have nothing to do with net abuse and so
I request that others refrain from making them.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
"Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: bertha@polly.mhn.org (That Funky Chick)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/05
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On 5 Jun 1997 00:06:56 GMT, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector
Gonzales) wrote:

>If you take the time to track down why I'm on the BlueList you'd see
>that I actually tried to do something about spam, unlike the many who
>talk and complain but don't take solid action.

Wait a minute--in an earlier post in this same thread, you said:

>I don't study UCE because I've got work to do.  I just delete it
>and move on and instead of spending hours trying to get revenge.
>While you guys spend hours a day dealing with it, I spend just a
>few seconds.

How can both these statements be true?

-Bertha
bertha@polly.mhn.org

Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.



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Subject: Re: Ricardo is spamming?
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boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings) wrote:

>  True--for example some stalk me--take Ratcliffe, Hooligan,
>Felix the Cat (who the hell is going to respond to Felix
>the Cat?)
Certainly not Steve.  He's afraid to.  The big question is whether Steve
has noticed boursy@supernews.net forging him.  (Don't bother with
DejaNews Steve, they're x-archived.  Next time, just pay more
attention.)

And I never called myself Felix the Cat.  It's Sc@Cat.com.   Call me
Scat-Cat if you prefer.


>--generally I just hit the delete key (well
>always with Hannigan).
Actually, that's "always after reading Hannigan".


>  Yes--and this isn't in reference to Peter but with many
>it brings out their true stalking nature--they'll start
>emailing you--anything for a bit of attention.
Hey, now that sounds like a good idea.  Steve doesn't reply to my posts,
so maybe he doesn't see them.  I think I'll start mailing them all to
him, each and every time I post a reply to him.  After all, I'm just
providing a service like Steve does when he crossposts to
alt.motherjones.





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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> I'm not trying to impose any censorship.  I'm just pointing out that
> all personal comments and flames are inappropriate for the news.admin
> hierarchy.  You are free to make those in alt.flame or similar groups
> but those sort of discussion have nothing to do with net abuse and so
> I request that others refrain from making them.
> 
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6

So what you are saying is that your "goyim" comment was inappropriately
posted, that it should have been posted in alt.flame or similar groups -
verdad?



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From: office@efn.org (OPN Office)
Subject: Re: PRESS: Smith Anti-Spam Bill Gains Support
Date: 1997/06/05
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In <5mvf25$1cp$2@news2.digex.net> ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:

>Tigerden System Admin (root@bengal.tigerden.com) wrote:
>: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
>:      
>: ABOUT CAUCE:
>:      
>: The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (CAUCE), Web home page
>: at http://www.cauce.org/ includes the texts of the proposals.  Contact Ray
>: Everett-Church, (202) 588-0426, e-mail everett@cauce.org. 

>These guys are scum.  They've spammed the net with their anti-spam messages
>and filled email boxes with their hateful message.  They've lost all
>credibility with their media stunts and shameless self-promotion.

>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>Semper Cannibis

You, sir, are an utter fool, a naive dolt, and incredibly gullible.
-- 
Gary Frazier
OPN Office Manager/Head Officebot
http://www.efn.org



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Ricardo Hector Gonzales wrote:
> 
> Fantasia (fantasia@netcom.com) wrote:
> :
> : Wait.. call me confused.. but...
> : Back when you hit the net with your cyberretromoderationbot hoopla, I
> : thought you had a URL in your sig that pointed to your web page on Satanism.
> : Wasn't it something like http://www.anus.com/goat or something?
> 
> I am not GOAT, though I have worked with him in the past, most notably
> to expose Michael Scheidell's content based cancelling.  Please do not
> confuse GOAT and I.
> 
> Your personal pursuit of this topic is off-topic for net abuse groups.
> We should be discussing net abuse, not my esoteric religious beliefs.
> Please do not get off subject.
> 
> A previous post by GOAT on the topic of how you guys have confused our
> is attached below.
> 
> *** MONTHLY POSTING
> 
> FAQ: Discerning the Subtle Differences Between Ricardo Gonzales and
> GOAT for Identification Purposes
> 
> I. About this FAQ
> II. Who is Ricardo
> III. Who is GOAT
> IV. How to tell the difference
> V. Why you might be confused
> 
> I. About this FAQ
> 
> 1. Why does this FAQ exist?
> 
> This FAQ was written to clear up the confusion that many readers of
> news.admin.net-abuse.misc experienced when in their clinically
> paranoid worldview two new voices spoke clearly against them and
> identified them as members of a shared mindset, an intellectual Cabal
> which fears the freedom of the Internet.
> 
> 2. Who wrote this FAQ?  Who posts is?  Why do you care?
> 
> <a href=http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/>GOAT</a> wrote this.  I am
> posting it.  GOAT says: I care because I can envision a better way.
> 
> II.  Whois: Ricardo Gonzales
> 
> [ Ricardo, can you get me any biographical information for this?  I
> don't really know how to express it, and a writing sample might be
> nice ]
> 
> Ricardo Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> is a computer and social
> thinking pioneer who posts lengthy critiques of existing society and
> its hypocrises in the hope of ideological enlightenment of the general
> public.  For this reason his postings piss off a lot of people.  He
> favors concrete logic and mathematical, surgical reasoning to
> explicate his points.
> 
> The Cabal hates him for showing them up for being the paper tigers
> they are, and consequently deride him as insane, but reading Ricardo's
> prose makes me think of a very careful and diligent journalist who has
> thought each angle and made a decision based on his knowledge of the
> situation - an extensive database.  His writing shows study of
> language, an appetite for complexity, and a logical method of
> refinement that rewards him with cogent deconstuctionist explications
> of systems and methods.
> 
> III.  Whois: GOAT
> 
> GOAT <goat@anus.com;http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/goat.html> is a
> writer living in Los Angeles who expresses himself with metaphor and
> pattern comparison response rather than a more technical outlook.  His
> vision is of total destruction of any form of power hierarchy on the
> Internet.
> 
> Many Cabal members use words like "psychotic" and "insane" and
> "asshole" to describe GOAT, of which he acknowledges only the latter.
> 
> IV. How to tell the Difference
> 
> If the poster is using technical words in direct syntax explaining and
> then questioning, or very carefully skewering his opponents, it is
> probably Ricardo.  This is usually indicated by a field named
> something like "From:" which will read "Ricardo@Paranoia.Com".
> Ricardo is not GOAT.
> 
> If the poster is "goat@anus.com", the "Summary" line says FUCK YOU and
> the language is metaphorical and the vision seemingly insane, it is
> probably GOAT.  He is not Ricardo.
> 
> V.  Why You Might Be Confused
> 
> When criticized, most humans react defensively as they fear the loss
> of autonomy from someone else altering their worldview through dynamic
> explication or denial.  Consequently, it is very easy to become
> paranoid and imagine an enemy, a "Satan" or mythical feared archetype
> of race/sexuality, and to group your enemies.
> 
> On a lesser level members of the so-called USENET Cabal (an informal
> grouping of like-minded people who aspire to run USENET news through
> cancelations of offending messages and intimidation of ISPs) and
> others who perpetuate unnecessary and oppressive power structures may
> find themselves confusing Ricardo and GOAT, and villifying them
> unnecessarily.  This paranoia can be alleviated by recognizing that
> more than one person or entity at a time will hate you for your
> actions which violate the respect, the space, and the aspirations of
> others.
> 
> There are a variety of treatments that could be recommended with
> corresponding pharmaceutical complexities.  Write to GOAT@anus.com for
> suggested treatment.
> 
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
> "Of all the sins with which a man defiles himself in this world, this is the
> sin with which he is most defiled." - M Shabbat 2:6



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From: coblio@ix.netcom.com (Nick Coblio)
Subject: Re: Email-List Class Action Suit?
Date: 1997/03/28
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>#2) Don't sue the spammers.  They probably have few if any actual assets.
>Sue their Internet service providers.  This will be more lucrative for
>you.  They _definitely_ have assets, and they are not likely to be able
>to just blow town in the middle of the night once they have been served
>with a subpoena and/or summons.

I disagree.  The paperwork need to file for the $ 500 bounty in FL is
rather simple to fill out and an attorney is not needed.  A
modification to the law to include e-mail spam would put enough
"bounty hunters"  out there that the spammers would soon find other
get rich schemes (like trying to bilk little ol' ladies).

If the bounty is also filed against the ISP, how many $500 checks do
you think they will have to mail before they decide it "aint worth
it"...

Remember this $ 500 is per person..so if 1000 people
file...boom...instant bankruptcy. for the advertiser. (though I think
the ISP would also find that a heft chunk of change to cough up)

IANAL  but IMHO the bottom line the advertiser is easier to "reach
with a subpoena" than the ISP.  


***************************
* Fortune Favors the Bold *
***************************
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coblio@tampa.va.gov
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From: slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin)
Subject: Re: Shawn Bertty calls in the Mounties  Was: Public Notice to aga, pgh & kibo
Date: 1997/04/02
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boursy@earthlink.net (ISP_Ratings) wrote:

>  Shawn--even you can get an account at dhp.com 

if you don't abuse it like the kibo@dhp.com troika.

>  Yes--I also know for a fact kibo@dhp.com was not Dr. Grubor--
>hell--even many members of the cabal admitted that.

Yep. Comrade Bourtsky's telling the truth for a change here.
kibo@dhp.com was paid for as a single user account but was shared via
telnet and a communal password among a number of users including
Vulis, Grubor, and Boursy, among others. 

This is most likely why the account was killed although other reasons
were probably cited. Even dhp.com dislikes getting ripped off by scam
artists.

> I'm in the book.

Grubor's book?

jd
--
jason durbin
slothrop@poisson.com
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Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/04/03
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On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:07:47 -0500, Dave Ratcliffe <dave@frackit.com> 
hath written:

>In <5hs5rn$cqk@nnrp1.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector
>Gonzales) wrote:
>
>-Most of the so-called 'cabal' appear to be sociopaths with
>-delusional beliefs of their importance
>
>That's rich, coming from the self proclaimed "Official FAQ Maintainer -
>news.admin.*"
>
not to mention that `ric's' hero is the unabomber.

>-I prefer to help people by solving real problems and writing FAQs.
>
>Funny, I can't think of a single problem you've helped solve or an actual
>FAQ you've ever written.
>
that's because you missed the stealth application of the 
cyberobomotofotobot. 

>--Ric "Speedy G"
>-Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin.*
>
aka goat, et al
>
>--
>Dave Ratcliffe                     If you post it, don't email it too
>dave@frackit.com                
>
>   Unsolicited email advertisments will be returned to sender in bulk


-- 
IHS
pavanas
	The secret thoughts of a man run over all things, holy, profane,
	clean, obscene, grave, and light, without shame of blame.  Hobbs



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snug@taeback.kornet.nm.kr (Deeper) wrote:

>In article <01bc36ec$a0a6d0c0$010101c0@mypc.brookes.ac.uk>, 
>rcmuk@hotmail.com says...
>> 
>> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
>> 
>> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
>> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
>> > wrote:
>> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
>> > >> 
>> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> 
>wrote:
>> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
>> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
>> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
>> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
>> > 
>> > 
>Add me please : snug@soback.kornet.nm.kr
Still looking for a girlfriend, add me too please :)
djavan@hotmail.com




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From: rfg@monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)
Subject: Re: Email-List Class Action Suit?
Date: 1997/04/03
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In article <3340e29f.2881859@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Nick Coblio <coblio@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>#2) Don't sue the spammers.  They probably have few if any actual assets.
>>Sue their Internet service providers.  This will be more lucrative for
>>you.  They _definitely_ have assets, and they are not likely to be able
>>to just blow town in the middle of the night once they have been served
>>with a subpoena and/or summons.
>
>I disagree.  The paperwork need to file for the $ 500 bounty in FL is
>rather simple to fill out and an attorney is not needed.  A
>modification to the law to include e-mail spam would put enough
>"bounty hunters"  out there that the spammers would soon find other
>get rich schemes (like trying to bilk little ol' ladies).
>
>If the bounty is also filed against the ISP, how many $500 checks do
>you think they will have to mail before they decide it "aint worth
>it"...
>
>Remember this $ 500 is per person..so if 1000 people
>file...boom...instant bankruptcy. for the advertiser. (though I think
>the ISP would also find that a heft chunk of change to cough up)
>
>IANAL  but IMHO the bottom line the advertiser is easier to "reach
>with a subpoena" than the ISP.  

This is just not true.

Most spammers are very much like the character named `Golum' (sp?) in
the original Hobbit book.  They live in the dark dank shadows and they
are elusive as hell, so they are usually hard to find and/or to subpoena.

But ISPs are a different story.  They are quite literally rooted to the
ground.  They have plant and equipment.  They have infrastructure.  They
can't easily change business addresses.  And as I said, they have assets.

It has taken me a long long time, but I have finally come around to the
view that ISPs are the ones who are _really_ responsible for this whole
junk E-mail phenomenon.  Junk E-mail could not exist unless many many
ISPs were willing to turn a blind eye to the activities of the spammers
while they themselves are indirectly profiting from the spam.  Spammers
are just doing what people from time immemorial have done... ruthlessly
exploiting a fundamental weakness in the system for their own commercial
gain.  That's just capitalism.  But who creates and perpetuates the
weakness in the system?  The ISPs, that's who.

-- 

-- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, CA -------- Infinite Monkeys & Co. ------------
---- E-mail: rfg@monkeys.com -----------------------------------------------
------ Copyright (c) 1997 by Ronald F. Guilmette; All rights reserved. -----



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From: "Patricia A. Shaffer" <ramsa@swva.net>
Subject: Spam and rotten eggs! (longish)
Date: 1997/04/03
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Received this on Monday: a multilayered spam like the classified-ad
section of a newspaper! I tried my hand at the headers; my pings got
nothing. E-mail bounced. I traced it to the InterNIC hostmaster. Sent a
message, got an autoresponse and advice to check on the progress of my
query using the assigned number. Did so Tuesday and Wednesday -- there
was no record of my complaints (actually, I got two different spams,
both traceable to InterNIC). 

Then, today, I received the bottom-most message from the 
hostmaster@InterNic. Any suggestions? 

Patricia  


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From: CLord <clord@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/04
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piloto pelucas wrote:
> 
> snug@taeback.kornet.nm.kr (Deeper) wrote:
> 
> >In article <01bc36ec$a0a6d0c0$010101c0@mypc.brookes.ac.uk>,
> >rcmuk@hotmail.com says...
> >>
> >> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> >> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> >> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr>
> >wrote:
> >> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> >> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> >> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> >> >
> >> >
> >Add me please : snug@soback.kornet.nm.kr
> Still looking for a girlfriend, add me too please :)
> djavan@hotmail.com
me too please to clord@rocketmail.com and gunberto@hotmail.com



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From: coblio@ix.netcom.com (Nick Coblio)
Subject: Re: Email-List Class Action Suit?
Date: 1997/04/04
Message-ID: <334520de.6611596@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
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Ron: 

First of all, I do not indicate that the ISP's should be left out of
the loop.  I include them in the $500 fine (I am basing all of this on
FL telephone solicitation bill, where I can also go after the person
who provides the mailing list).

I disagree with you that the spammers can't be reached.  I have
personally reached out and touched two of them.  One of whom spammed
me at work (federal employee) and the spam was prompty  turned over to
our security department, (federal martials) who in turned had someone
make a phone call to the perp...I don't  think they were too happy to
hear that spamming a US computer system WAS against the law!  

I have also sent some medically related spam to the FDA for their
perusal, and have told the local office that I will follow up.  The
FDA has started a product inquiry, which has to shake up the
manufacturer just a bit.  (We had a chinesee herbal medication in this
area that violated federal guidelines...it was marketed as a calmative
and was found to contain diazepam [generic valium] (I guess it really
worked, but was in violation of a law or two).  The manufacturers
stock was impounded (the FDA has the authority to do that) which
essentially put them out of business.


***************************
* Fortune Favors the Bold *
***************************
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coblio@tampa.va.gov
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From: dino@database.it (Freezer)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/05
Message-ID: <3346611c.2147835@news.interbusiness.it>#1/1
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Add me please: dino@database.it


--
Bye!

-=> The Freezer
-=> dino@database.it



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From: Euwyn Poon <epoon@lynx.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/06
Message-ID: <33483CBD.371D@lynx.bc.ca>#1/1
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0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> 
> Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> 
> Thanks ....
me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/06
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Freezer wrote:
> 
> Add me please: dino@database.it
> 
> --
> Bye!
> 
> -=> The Freezer
> -=> dino@database.it


Add me to please
David@mint-hpvac.com



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From: tmills@easynet.bakedbeansareoff.de (Beebit)
Subject: Re: Spam and rotten eggs! (longish)
Date: 1997/04/07
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To reply, leave out the bit about the beans.  

Sometimes rules are made to be broken.  The propagation has been
a bit weird lately, and I only saw this today:

On Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:27:00 -0500, "Patricia A. Shaffer"
<ramsa@swva.net> wrote for our edification, enlightenment, and
enjoyment:

} Received this on Monday: a multilayered spam like the classified-ad
} section of a newspaper! I tried my hand at the headers; my pings got
} nothing. E-mail bounced. I traced it to the InterNIC hostmaster. Sent a
} message, got an autoresponse and advice to check on the progress of my
} query using the assigned number. Did so Tuesday and Wednesday -- there
} was no record of my complaints (actually, I got two different spams,
} both traceable to InterNIC). 
} 
} Then, today, I received the bottom-most message from the 
} hostmaster@InterNic. Any suggestions? 
} 
} Patricia  
} 
let's have a closer look:
} 
} > Return-Path: clayton423@highway1.com
} > Received: from stjohns.se.highway1.com (stjohns.se.highway1.com
} > 	[24.129.0.68]) by swva.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id
} >       BAA20477 for <ramsa@swva.net>; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:45:38
} >       -0500
so far so good.  The IP address 24.129.0.68 resolves to:
stjohns.se.highway1.com  with alias:
mail.ccse.net

} > Received: from chris-layton ([24.129.60.54]) by stjohns.se.highway1.com 
the IP address resolves to: jas02-04.ccse.net
probably a dialin, in Jacksonville?

} >	(Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAB18381; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:52:17 -0400
} > Comments: Authenticated sender is <clayton423@mail.ccse.net>
} > From: "Christopher David Layton" <clayton423@stjohns.se.highway1.com>
and it even looks genuine.  Not that we see too many of those
around here ;~} <wry smile>

} > To: Internet.Mail.Delivery@swva.net
} > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:34:05 +0000
} > X-Distribution: Bulk
} > MIME-Version: 1.0
} > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
} > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
} > Subject: Superhighway Ad #1
} > Reply-to: clayton423@ccse.net
_this_ may be interesting, but let's press on:

} > Priority: normal
} > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1)
} > Message-ID: <19970331044003.AAB18381@chris-layton>
} > X-UIDL: a7edadf2b3bbfb86a0bbc968e6ab2526
} > Status: U
} > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
} > Content-Length: 6504

} > 
} > Send cash, check, or money order to:
me!!  So I can find something more "appropriate" to send to:
} > 
} > Christopher David Layton
} > 3801 Crown Point Rd. Apt. 1234
} > Jacksonville, FL 33257
} > 
} > (Allow 5-7 days for check clearing)
It's in the (snail) mail, and I'll respect you in the morning...
} > 
} > More Information E-Mail:
} > clayton423@ccse.net
} > 
you'd think he really wants to hear from the punters...
} 
The Word from On High:
} > 
} > Greetings-
} > 
} > The InterNIC, like all Internet users, is impacted by the individuals
} > who propagate "spam" on the network.  However, we are responsible
} > for the administration of the name space and not for policing its
} > content or use.
} > 
Well, yes.  They have all they can do to keep their database in
something resembling order, rather than the apparent shambles
reported on elsewhere in the n.a.n-a. groups.


A whois on CCSE:

Continental Cablevision of Jacksonville (CCSE-DOM)
   5934 Richard Street
   Jacksonville, FL 32216
   US

   Domain Name: CCSE.NET

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Register, Jerry A.  (JR1142)  jerryr@CCJET.NET
      904/739-3856
   Billing Contact:
      Register, Jerry A.  (JR1142)  jerryr@CCJET.NET
      904/739-3856

   Record last updated on 24-May-96.
   Record created on 24-May-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.CCJET.NET		205.129.200.65
   NS2.CCJET.NET		205.129.200.33


This appears to be a pretty serious outfit, check out their Web
site at http://www.ccse.net.  Their main angle is high-speed Web
access via Cable Modem: keystrokes in via modem/phone lines,
data back via television cable... (sounds like fun)  Thing is,
this spamming goes the wrong way for them: lotsa lotsa upload,
and not much download.


And then, if we finger our friend C. Layton at
clayton423@stjohns.se.highway1.com , we get:

Account Name:  CHRISTOPHER LAYTON
Email address: clayton423@highway1.com
----------
CHRISTOPHER LAYTON

Confucius say, "There is none so despicable as him who is
without shame."

Let's see how I would get there:

...
3   279 ms   176 ms   252 ms  gw-s0-1.Frankfurt.easynet.de
[194.24.209.130]
 4   509 ms   577 ms   503 ms  553.Hssi5-0.GW1.TCO1.ALTER.NET
[137.39.184.57]
 5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 6   458 ms   542 ms   503 ms  312.atm3-0.br2.tco1.alter.net
[137.39.13.17]
 7   492 ms   476 ms   533 ms  maeeast-2.bbnplanet.net
[192.41.177.2]
 8   619 ms     *      553 ms  4.0.1.93

 9     *      599 ms   774 ms  4.0.1.89
10   736 ms   544 ms   568 ms  collegepk-br1.bbnplanet.net
[4.0.1.226]
11   465 ms   607 ms   531 ms  collegepk-br2.bbnplanet.net
[128.167.253.7]
12   707 ms   797 ms   608 ms  atlanta2-br2.bbnplanet.net
[4.0.1.46]
13   833 ms   941 ms   807 ms  atlanta2-cr6.bbnplanet.net
[192.221.25.229]
14   618 ms     *      686 ms  highway1se1.bbnplanet.net
[192.221.96.42]
15   777 ms   679 ms     *     24.129.0.68

And lastly, a quick look to the lot upstream:
BBN PLANET CORP. (BBNPLANET2-DOM)
   3801 East Bayshore Road
   Palo Alto, Ca. 94303

   Domain Name: BBNPLANET.NET

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Network Operations Center, Bbn Planet  (BPN)
ops@BBNPLANET.COM
      1-800-632-7638

   Record last updated on 06-Nov-96.
   Record created on 29-Mar-95.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.BARRNET.NET		131.119.245.5
   NS2.BARRNET.NET		131.119.246.6
   NOC.NEAR.NET			192.52.71.21

A visit to http://www.highway1.com confirms that Continental
Cablevision, Highway1 et al are all one big happy family, with
lots of backbone.  If there were any doubts, a whois on
highway1:

Continental Cablevision (HIGHWAY14-DOM)
   Pilot House - Lewis Wharf
   Boston, MA 02110
   US

   Domain Name: HIGHWAY1.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Leddy, John  (JL2167)  jleddy@DELPHI.COM
      203-377-2183
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Compton, Kip  (KC987)  kcompton@CONTINENTAL.COM
      617-742-9500

   Record last updated on 17-Oct-96.
   Record created on 14-Aug-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   CHNMS01.HIGHWAY1.COM		24.128.1.80
   CHNMS02.HIGHWAY1.COM		24.128.1.81

Their Terms of Service do not appear to be terribly draconian
(you know, "Any spammer to be hung by the ... toes and boiled
until we come up with something _really_ horrible to do...), but
there is one interesting bit:

} Excessive data transfer may interfere with the experience of other 
} users.  You agree not to interfere with the use of the equipment or
} services by other Customers or disrupt the Continental backbone 
} network nodes or network services. Violation of
} any part of this section is grounds for immediate termination of
} this Agreement and your continued purchase of the Service, or
} reclassification to a commercial grade of service, at
} Continental's discretion. 

I reckon that clayton423@highway1.com is due a nastygram, on the
lines of "Final warning, cease and desist.  Any further direct
communication from you regardless of medium will be considered
as harrassment, and reported to the appropriate authorities as
such."

Further I'd say, drop a line to jerryr and the gang at ccse.net
(including abuse and postmaster) for a kick-off, then the usual
lot at highway1.com .

Happy hunting, and may the Sauce be with you.  Please let us
know what they have to say for themselves.

B.

Sometimes I break my own rules...  To reply, forget _all_
mention of beans.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Share and enjoy: Post It, Don't Mail It.
Domain name munged to foil the Spam 'Bots.
We Apologise for the Inconvienience...



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From: ISP_Ratings <boursy@idt.net>
Subject: The Obsession of Gardner Trash   Was: The Clonefield Saga, Pt (Cont), neener neener
Date: 1997/04/07
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trask@world.std.com wrote:
: 
: I once wrote a sig quote I was sure would catch on.
: I still like it.
: 
: "When it comes to describing Boursy and/or Grubor,
:  I am torn between 'incompetence' and 'incontinence'."

    Yes Gardner--you've been stalking me for years
and now Dr. Grubor--your a sad piece of work.  Here
you posting all over hell (what's this--7 groups
you've got here--added 'alt.bonehead.john-grubor'
I noted just as you always added alt.fan.speedbump
in the past.  Your entitled to your masturbatory
fantasies of course but I found your recent claim
to 'politeness and objectivity to be most amusing.

   The best once can say about you Gardner is that 
as a stalker you have staying power.

                     Steve




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hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
 David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
>Freezer wrote:
>>
>> Add me please: dino@database.it
>>
>> --
>> Bye!
>>
>> -=> The Freezer
>> -=> dino@database.it
>
>
>Add me to please
>David@mint-hpvac.com
> 





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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Rogue Sites on the Internet
Date: 1997/04/09
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In article <5ic66s$bc1@nnrp1.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> wrote:
> 1. What is a "rogue site"?

A rogue site is a site whose administrators are unable to prevent, condone,
or even promote abusive behaviour on the net.

> 2. I am a system administrator.  Why is my site being called a "rogue
>    site"?

You have been unresponsive to requests that you prevent your site being
used for abusive behaviour.

> 3. What is the UDP?

There are two UDPs. The original, now referred to as "passive UDP", involves
aliasing out sites so that messages from them are not propogated. Later, a
more active UDP involving sending out cancel messages for all messages from
a given site was proposed. There is no evidence that either of these have
actually been implemented, and these days it's more black humor (caused by
the fact that it's pretty much impossible to do anything about rogue sites)
than anything else.

> 4. Who are these people who control "Netiquette" and the Internet?

There are no people who control netiquette. There are certain kinds
of behaviour that have proven more productive in the past, and these
are referred to as being "good net etiquette" or "netiquette". Violating
netiquette is likely to make people discount your opinion, since most
people understand pretty well what's appropriate behaviour and what's not.

Things that are considered "bad net etiquette" are excessive crossposting,
excessive multiple posting, baiting readers with outrageous messages (also
known as trolling), and actively promoting abusive behaviour.

> 5. Why are certain harmless behaviours deemed illegal by "Netiquette"
>    standards?

While some people are apt to consider things like "spamming" (a term used
to refer to excessive crossposting, excessive multiple posting, and other
kinds of abusive behaviour) harmless, in practice this sort of behaviour
if it were generally accepted would quickly make Usenet useless. For an
example of what this "harmless" behaviour leads to, see the noise levels
in alt.binaries.* ...

>    Peter da Silva has recently been pushing for even stricter USENET
>    article cancellation rules.

Peter da Silva has implemented stricter rules on some experimental networks
that are not part of Usenet proper, to see the results of tightly controlled
crossposting limits. The actual limits are not strictly based on the number
of groups... setting followups to fewer groups allows wider distribution.

The people using these experimental networks, on several dozen sites, have
found them to produce a much less noisy discussion forum without significantly
restricting posting.

> 6. How can I stop the cabal so that my users and I may speak freely?

The disorganized groups of people Ricardo refers to as the Cabal do not
prevent free speech. As proof, nobody's keeping him from posting his FAQs,
even though by his own definition of how this imaginary Cabal behaves
they would not be allowed.

> 7. As a user, how should I deal with users' behaviours at a "rogue site"?

Encourage people to act responsibly.

>    Symptom:  User expressed an unpopular opinion in a USENET group.

This doesn't get one tagged a rogue site, therefore there's no action that
need be taken. Note that Ricardo has elsewhere in this document recommended
attacking the jobs of people he disagrees with.

>    Symptom:  User posted a "disruptive" message in a USENET group.

A user who occasionally posts a message that's likely to draw bait isn't a
problem. There have been cases in the past where a large number of users
working in concert engaged in an extended attack on a group, rendering it
useless.

>    Symptom:  User posted a useless message, such as "MAKE MONEY FAST".

See http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm .

>    Symptom:  User posted an unpopular message to several groups.
>    Symptom:  User mailed unwanted messages to several people.
     Symptom:  User posted a message to a large number of groups.

See http://www.vix.com/spam .

> 8. How do we fix USENET?

Usenet isn't broken.
-- 
           The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH, KIBO.

Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'                            Vi er alle Kibo.




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Peter da Silva AND Recardo Hector Gonzales are authorities in their own
mind.  Please ignore their puke and return to reality!!!!!

They only represent themselfs and have no clue as to life on this
planet!!!!!



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add me too please, wderooij@worldonline.nl

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:29:06 -0700, "falgun javia"
<falgun@u.arizona.edu> wrote:

>hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
>>Freezer wrote:
>>>
>>> Add me please: dino@database.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bye!
>>>
>>> -=> The Freezer
>>> -=> dino@database.it
>>
>>
>>Add me to please
>>David@mint-hpvac.com
>> 
>
>




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Euwyn Poon wrote:
> 
> 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> >
> > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> >
> > Thanks ....
> me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
me too at picadilly@hotmail.com



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From: kjpodsia@cyberramp.nets (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Rogue Sites on the Internet
Date: 1997/04/10
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>                FAQ: "Rogue Sites" on the Internet?
>
>
>---FAQ BEGINS---
>Last updated: January 12, 1997
>Author: ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo H. Gonzales)


ATTENTION: A working version of a rebuttal to this FAQ is currently available
to be viewed at:

http://www.cyberramp.net/~kjpodsia/rebuttal.html

Useful input from this thread will be incorporated into the rebuttal-FAQ;
other input is more than welcome.

I intend to have a text copy available for posting the next time it comes
around.

-- 
Kevin Podsiadlik
Renegade Wit

To reply, take off the the last "s", that's the S for Spam!



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From: reed@im.wustl.edu (Thomas Reed)
Subject: Jerry Wang and the "remove" list
Date: 1997/04/10
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I've been hearing a lot about Jerry Wang's "remove" list lately, and have
heard some very rabid things said, but I haven't heard any specifics.

From everything Jerry has ever e-mailed me, the remove list seems
reasonable and legit.  It seems illogical to use a list of known
spam-haters for spam advertising.  It would be like advertising your
company's scuba gear on a billboard in the Sahara desert.

However, I'm reluctant to believe Jerry after hearing all the negative comments.

Bottom line:  does anyone out there have any CONCRETE info on this issue? 
I'm not interested in rabid flames aimed at Jerry or anything like that. 
I want facts.  I want specific reasons for why Jerry is not to be trusted,
with sources to back it up.

Can anyone get me this much-needed info?

Thanks in advance!

-Thomas

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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:23:52 -0500, reed@im.wustl.edu (Thomas Reed)
wrote:

>I've been hearing a lot about Jerry Wang's "remove" list lately, and have
>heard some very rabid things said, but I haven't heard any specifics.
>
>From everything Jerry has ever e-mailed me, the remove list seems
>reasonable and legit.  It seems illogical to use a list of known
>spam-haters for spam advertising.  It would be like advertising your
>company's scuba gear on a billboard in the Sahara desert.

If it were free, why _not_ do it?

>However, I'm reluctant to believe Jerry after hearing all the negative comments.

Wise.

>Bottom line:  does anyone out there have any CONCRETE info on this issue? 
>I'm not interested in rabid flames aimed at Jerry or anything like that. 
>I want facts.  I want specific reasons for why Jerry is not to be trusted,

One word:  SUPERLINK

-- Rick



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From: clifford@mint.net (Clifford Davis)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/11
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please send me it too... clifford@mint.net
"falgun javia" <falgun@u.arizona.edu> wrote:

>hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
>>Freezer wrote:
>>>
>>> Add me please: dino@database.it
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bye!
>>>
>>> -=> The Freezer
>>> -=> dino@database.it
>>
>>
>>Add me to please
>>David@mint-hpvac.com
>> 







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Mad Machine <picadilly@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<334C3B11.5266@hotmail.com>...
> Euwyn Poon wrote:
> > 
> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> > >
> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> > >
> > > Thanks ....
> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
> me too at sakdell@ix.netcom.com



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From: reed@im.wustl.edu (Thomas Reed)
Subject: Re: Jerry Wang and the "remove" list
Date: 1997/04/11
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In article <E8GIII.Ho5@nonexistent.com>, buchanan@gate.cybernex.net
(Lysander Spooner) wrote:

>>Bottom line:  does anyone out there have any CONCRETE info on this issue? 
>>I'm not interested in rabid flames aimed at Jerry or anything like that. 
>>I want facts.  I want specific reasons for why Jerry is not to be trusted,
>
>One word:  SUPERLINK

This is exactly the reply I didn't want -- I already know Jerry was
associated with SuperLink, but I don't know (and haven't been able to
find) any details about what his role was there, what his role is with
Chemecanics now, etc.

Thanks for trying, though!

-Thomas

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Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net


falgun javia wrote:
> 
> hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
>  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> >Freezer wrote:
> >>
> >> Add me please: dino@database.it
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bye!
> >>
> >> -=> The Freezer
> >> -=> dino@database.it
> >
> >
> >Add me to please
> >David@mint-hpvac.com
> >



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From: rich@saturnlink.REMOVE-TO-REPLY.com (rich jankowski)
Subject: Re: Jerry Wang and the "remove" list
Date: 1997/04/12
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On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:23:52 -0500, reed@im.wustl.edu (Thomas Reed)
wrote:

/* snip to the chase */

>Bottom line:  does anyone out there have any CONCRETE info on this issue? 
>I'm not interested in rabid flames aimed at Jerry or anything like that. 
>I want facts.  I want specific reasons for why Jerry is not to be trusted,
>with sources to back it up.

I think all name calling aside, the fact that he's ECP'ed ads for his
"tape backup" business shows how concerned he is with net.abuse.

Here's one of the ads, compliments of the DejaNews archive:

--begin included--

Subject:      CD Backup and Duplicate Services
From:         jerryw@superlink.net (Super-User)
Date:         1997/02/27
Message-Id:   <5f34lc$spt$3@earth.superlink.net>
Summary:      CD Backup and Duplicate Services
Distributions: usa
Organization: SuperNet Inc. (908) 828-8988
Keywords:     CD, Backup, Duplicate
Newsgroups:
cmh.forsale,co.fort-collins.ads,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.marketplace,
dc.forsale,dc.forsale.misc,dfw.forsale,dungeon.forsale,edm.forsale,
alc.market,alt.marketplace.funky-stuff.forsale,asu.forsale.misc,athena.forsale,
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fl.forsale,ga.forsale,halcyon.forsale,hawaii.ads.forsale,houston.forsale,
hsv.forsale,iconz.forsale,iijnet.forsale,kc.forsale,la.forsale,li.forsale,
lou.lft.forsale
[Fewer Headers]

Do you have a lot of important data in your computer and do you want
to backup your data?

Do you worry about the data on your Zip Disk, Jaz, Syquest or Tape 
cartridge getting corrupted?

Do you spend a lot of time retrieving your data from slow tape devices
while leaving your speedy CD drive idle?

Do you want to mail your friends or customers a lot of data but they
do not have the device to read your data?

Do you scratch or break your expensive CD disk by accident? 
  
If the answer to any of the above question is yes, we might be useful
to you.

We can backup your hard drive to a CD. We can convert your zip disk,
jaz, syquest cartridge to a CD. We can make a duplicate for your
expensive CD software. The data on CD are safe for ~100 years.

The procedure is very simple. All you need to do is to give us a
call. We can backup your computer even without opening the computer
case! Our charge starts from $19.99 per CD (up to 650 MB). The price
includes the blank CD media.

Please call 908-937-9590, mailto:sales@chemechanics.com or visit our
web-site at http://www.chemechanics.com.
  
--
 Jerry Wang, PhD, 908-937-9590
 http://www.chemechanics.com, mailto:jerryw@chemechanics.com

--end included--

Not to mention the practicality of this whole ruse, he's actually
going to trust spammers with removing names from their lists, where he
has absolutely *no* leverage against them in case they spam his lists?

And he'll do this for free?  He's prepared to monitor all of these
spam shops to make sure they don't abuse "his lists"?

It doesn't take Jerry Wang, Ph.D, to figure out it's easier, and more
profitable to simply ***sell*** the lists to spammers.

/* posted and emailed */


--
rich jankowski  
rich@saturnlink.com



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From: jaffo@onramp.net (Jaffo)
Subject: Re: The Obsession of Gardner Trash   Was: The Clonefield Saga, Pt (Cont), neener neener
Date: 1997/04/12
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In alt.religion.kibology, on Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:27:31 -0400, ISP_Ratings
wrote:

:   The best once can say about you Gardner is that 
:as a stalker you have staying power.

Gardner S. Trask is now the coolest person I know.

Jaffo

-- 
Read the APJ Faq or I'll break Bill Clinton's other kneecap!
http://rampages.onramp.net/~jaffo/apjfaq.htm

Read Jaffo's Home Page!  Win free cigarettes for your kids!
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From: ToneBuster <tonebuster@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/13
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Mad Machine wrote:
> 
> Euwyn Poon wrote:
> >
> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> > >
> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> > >
> > > Thanks ....
> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/14
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Clifford Davis wrote:
> 
> please send me it too... clifford@mint.net
> "falgun javia" <falgun@u.arizona.edu> wrote:
> 
> >hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> > David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> >>Freezer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Add me please: dino@database.it
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bye!
> >>>
> >>> -=> The Freezer
> >>> -=> dino@database.it
> >>
> >>
> >>Add me to please
> >>David@mint-hpvac.com
> >>
Add me please
106237.467@compuserve.com



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From: me@mypc.com
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/14
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On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
<tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Mad Machine wrote:
>> 
>> Euwyn Poon wrote:
>> >
>> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
>> > >
>> > > Thanks ....
>> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
>> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
>Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com




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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/14
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Please add me too.
 A Fenton wrote in article <3352E941.23FE@cableinet.co.uk>...
>me@mypc.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
>> <tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Mad Machine wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Euwyn Poon wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks ....
>> >> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
>> >> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
>> >Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com
>Sure why not... afenton@cableinet.co.uk
> 





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From: A Fenton <afenton@cableinet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/15
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me@mypc.com wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
> <tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >Mad Machine wrote:
> >>
> >> Euwyn Poon wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks ....
> >> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
> >> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
> >Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com
Sure why not... afenton@cableinet.co.uk



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kevinac wrote:
> 
> Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
> 
> falgun javia wrote:
> >
> > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> > >Freezer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bye!
> > >>
> > >> -=> The Freezer
> > >> -=> dino@database.it
> > >
> > >
> > >Add me to please
> > >David@mint-hpvac.com
> > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net



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Subject: Fw: Response from Cyber Promotions
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--- On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT)  Mail AutoResponder 
<abuse@c-y-b-e-r-p-r-o-m-o.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to write to Cyber Promotions with your 
concerns.
> 
> Please be aware that this mailbox (abuse@cyberpromo.com) is read by many
> people in our company, including our senior management. The fact that 
your
> message garners e-mail from an auto-responder is to insure a timely 
response.
> It should not be an indication of a lack of consideration or concern.
> 
> CYBER PROMOTIONS' POSITION ON ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY FOR INTERNET CONTENT
> Cyber provides email services to a large number of customers, whom
> are supporting thousands of end users.
> 
> It is our position that the Internet is an open marketplace, where
> commerce of any and all kinds may take place in accordance with public
> demand.  We do not believe censorship is the responsibility of an 
Internet
> service provider.  It is not our place to censor customers' content or
> legitimate business practices.  Messages originating from customer sites
> reflect the opinions of our customers and not necessarily those of
> Cyber Promotions.
> 
> SUGGESTIONS
> Cyber is a pro-active organization with goals of delivering the highest
> quality email solutions.  Since we believe in continuous improvement, we
> will re-evaluate our position in light of the any new regulatory 
developments.
> 
> We appreciate that our position may not be agreeable to everyone.  
Further,
> we understand your interest in seeking a solution.  With that in mind, 
may
> we suggest the following options:
> 
> - END-USERs - A variety of e-mail and filtering software packages are
> available on the Internet for end-users.  For example, Eudora and procmail
> offer sufficient protection from e-mail of your undesired Internet sites.
> Or you can use the latest in filtering software, e-Filter, sold on
> Cyber's own web page at... http://www.cyberpromo.com
> 
> - ISPs - Your mail servers and/or router systems can be set to reject
> incoming spam or filter out offensive sites at the IP level.  Sendmail and
> ccmail are a few examples of good systems which perform these functions.
> 
> Again, we would like to thank you for your valuable input, and wish you
> continued success in your Internet experience.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
>         The Cyber Promotions Staff
> 
> 
> 
> (Many of Cyber's policies regarding these issues have been adopted from our
> own backbone providers.)
> 
> 
> 

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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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Any info would be much appreciated!!

Faceless <faceless@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<335462CB.2E5C@earthlink.net>...
> kevinac wrote:
> > 
> > Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
> > 
> > falgun javia wrote:
> > >
> > > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> > >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> > > >Freezer wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Bye!
> > > >>
> > > >> -=> The Freezer
> > > >> -=> dino@database.it
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Add me to please
> > > >David@mint-hpvac.com
> > > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net
> 



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one.thumb@why.kill.spam.net wrote:
> 
> --- On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT)  Mail AutoResponder
> <abuse@c-y-b-e-r-p-r-o-m-o.com> wrote:

--SLICE--

> > We appreciate that our position may not be agreeable to everyone.
> Further,
> > we understand your interest in seeking a solution.  With that in mind,
> may
> > we suggest the following options:

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Spam Slayer suggests the following options: FIREWALLS


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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:10:35 -0400, "Jedi Knight" <jedinite@ccse.net>
wrote:

>Please add me too.
> A Fenton wrote in article <3352E941.23FE@cableinet.co.uk>...
>>me@mypc.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
>>> <tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Mad Machine wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Euwyn Poon wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks ....
>>> >> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
>>> >> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
>>> >Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com
>>Sure why not... afenton@cableinet.co.uk
>> yes, yes, Me to
>
>




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From: drperry@tiac.net (Doug Perry a.k.a drperry)
Subject: Re: Fw: Response from Cyber Promotions
Date: 1997/04/21
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Do I detect the scent of bullshit coming from CyberPromo?




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From: "J. Cravens" <j@seesig4address.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ: Rogue Sites on the Internet
Date: 1997/04/21
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Brian Carling wrote:

> Can someone please send this FAQ again, or tell me where =

> to find it -
> AND where to find any other INFO FILES on the WWW about stopping
> e-mail spams???

Don't know where the list of rogue sites is exactly; you could =

probably find it via one of these Web sites (my favorite =

anti-junk-e-mail sites):


The Email Abuse FAQ
http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/emailfaq.html
(Frequently Asked Questions and their answers)
Easy-to-understand answers to commonly asked questions and complaints =

about email abuse. It also has a great appendix linking to other =

anti-junk e-mail sites, and sites providing anti-spam software. =

Thorough information!<P>


The Campaign to Stop Junk Email
http://www.mcs.com/%7Ejcr/junkemailbusguide.html
by JCR Design and Consulting. Includes an excellent "Victim's Primer", =

easy-to-understand prevention steps, an index of media articles on the =

subject, an essay, "Why You Shouldn't Advertise by Bulk Email: =

Guidance for Internet Marketers", and an index to a vast number of =

anti-junk-e-mail sites.


Promote Responsible Net Commerce
http://spam.abuse.net/
A Web-based campaign to combat mass unsolicited e-mail advertisements =

and to promote responsible Net Commerce. Includes FAQs (frequently =

asked questions), information on court battles, a sample Acceptable =

Use Policy, and information on tools to block junk e-mail.


How to Get Rid of Junk Mail, Spam, and Telemarketers
http://www.csn.net/~felbel/jnkmail.html
Includes more advanced information on discouraging junk e-mail, such =

as how to get the real address of someone who has sent you junk e-mail =

when they are trying to remain anonymous and links to other great =

sites, as well as information on how to stop receiving junk snail mail =

and phone solicitations.


The Netizen's Guide to Spam, Abuse, and Internet Advertising
http://com.primenet.com/spamking/
Includes information on the latest court cases re: spamming the Net, a =

treatise on why SPAM is bad for business, ideas on what it will take =

to make SPAM "acceptable", and SPAM-fighting software and PERL =

scripts.


The Junk Mail Help Desk<BR>
http://knet.flemingc.on.ca/~surly/junkmail.html
Tips, essays, software suggestions and links to sites for those who =

want to fight mass unsolicited email. Very easy to navigate.


Anti-Spam Site by the editor and publisher of EXPOSURE! Internet =

Marketing Newsletter
http://www.exposure/exposure/spam.html
Includes step-by-step instructions on filtering out unwanted spam by =

using Eudora Pro, and a list of the domains that send unsolicited =

email on a regular basis. =



Netizens Against Gratuitous Spamming
http://axxis.com/~ian/nags
Another site to help you prevent and stop Internet junk mail.<P>


My own site:
Stop Unsolicited Mass E-Mail Advertisements!
http://www.coyotecom.com/stopjunk.html
Information on why mass unsolicited e-mail advertising is bad for both =

recipients and for Internet commerce, as well as steps for the =

"newbie" on ways to stop, prevent and discourage mass unsolicited =

e-mail advertisements. Written in as non-technical terms as possible. =

Includes:
=80 Special advice to America Online Users =

=80 Information about dealing with chain letters/pyramid schemes =

=80 Things to keep in mind before joining an Internet mailing list or =

usenet group =

=80 Why and how to surf the Web anonymously =

=80 Information on the people who spam (they are REALLY scary) =



-- =

YOUR REPLY TO SENDER BUTTON WILL NOT WORK WITH THIS E-MAIL
My return address has been altered to thwart efforts by bulk e-mail =

advertisers to add my name to their junk mailing lists.
To reply to the sender, you must type in the address manually. See =

below.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
J Cravens
jcravens AT onr DOT com
http://www.coyotecom.com/
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>




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From: rb1000@ix.netcom.com (Ron Bennett)
Subject: AGIS.NET HACKED!!!! Spam doesn't pay!!
Date: 1997/04/22
Message-ID: <5jjfir$lnd@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
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According to an articles posted today including this one at URL:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/story/3322.html

AGIS.NET was recently hacked as a result of their belligerent attitude towards 
complaints about spam coming from Cyber Promotions and similar domains that 
AGIS.NET hosts.

AGIS.NET will soon be changing their policy substantially on mass unsolicited 
email (spam) and expect all Cyber Promotions connections to be terminated very 
soon!!

It's finally time AGIS.NET got their act together!!!

Ron Bennett
http://www.netcom.com/~rb1000/




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From: Nadim <nad@techie.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/22
Message-ID: <335C3C96.61DD@techie.com>#1/1
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Me too please! nad@techie.com



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From: jllarsen@jps.net (Jeff)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/23
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On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:10:35 -0400, "Jedi Knight" <jedinite@ccse.net>
wrote:

>Please add me too.
> A Fenton wrote in article <3352E941.23FE@cableinet.co.uk>...
>>me@mypc.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
>>> <tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Mad Machine wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Euwyn Poon wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks ....
>>> >> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
>>> >> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
>>> >Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com
>>Sure why not... afenton@cableinet.co.uk
>> 
>Please add me too your list: jllarsen@jps.net
>




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From: frankm@solaris.cna.tek.com (Frank 'Scruffy' Miller)
Subject: Re: AGIS.NET HACKED!!!! Spam doesn't pay!!
Date: 1997/04/23
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In article <5jjfir$lnd@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>,
Ron Bennett <rb1000@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>AGIS.NET will soon be changing their policy substantially on mass unsolicited 
>email (spam) and expect all Cyber Promotions connections to be terminated very 
>soon!!
>
>It's finally time AGIS.NET got their act together!!!
>

No doubt!  I just called the AGIS/NOC to compain (just being masochistic)
about their 'netrual' policy with SpamLusers.  CyberWankers will eventually
have to move out of the US as major providers *do* have Spam policies.

Frank


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Frank Miller                     |    frankm@master.cna.tek.com
Technical Computing Group Leader |    "Laugh while you can, 
Tektronix CNA Division           |    monkey-boy!!!!"



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/23
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 rochaa@salamanca.ugto.mx schrieb im Beitrag <335e8a47.7045833@hp.fciencias.
unam.mx>...
>On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:25:31 -0700, Faceless <faceless@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>kevinac wrote:
>>>
>>> Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
>>>
>>> falgun javia wrote:
>>> >
>>> > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
>>> >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
>>> > >Freezer wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Bye!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -=> The Freezer
>>> > >> -=> dino@database.it
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >Add me to please
>>> > >David@mint-hpvac.com
>>> > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net
>
>
>me too rochaa@salamanca.ugto.mx
>
> Add me too Cybertom09@aol.com





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From: Keith Just <keithj@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
Message-ID: <335E8DBA.440F@iafrica.com>#1/1
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frenzy@tiac.net wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:10:35 -0400, "Jedi Knight" <jedinite@ccse.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >Please add me too.
> > A Fenton wrote in article <3352E941.23FE@cableinet.co.uk>...
> >>me@mypc.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:34 -0700, ToneBuster
> >>> <tonebuster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Mad Machine wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Euwyn Poon wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 0000-Admin(0000) wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Thanks ....
> >>> >> > me too at epoon@lynx.bc.ca
> >>> >> me too at picadilly@hotmail.com
> >>> >Yess! me too, please: tonebuster@hotmail.com
> >>Sure why not... afenton@cableinet.co.uk
> >> yes, yes, Me to
> >
> >
I sure wouldn't mind : keithj@iafrica.com



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From: hgowar@pixie.co.za
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
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Faceless <faceless@earthlink.net> wrote:

>kevinac wrote:
>> 
>> Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
>> 
>> falgun javia wrote:
>> >
>> > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
>> >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
>> > >Freezer wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Bye!
>> > >>
>> > >> -=> The Freezer
>> > >> -=> dino@database.it
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Add me to please
>> > >David@mint-hpvac.com
>> > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net
add ne too gmouse@pixie.co.za





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From: clayduck@hotmail.com (Clay Duck)
Subject: AGIS's Press Release: "Commercial E-Mail Solution"!
Date: 1997/04/24
Message-ID: <3363dea5.4823254@news.alt.net>#1/1
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Keywords: spam,uce,ube,money,cyberpromo
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This just in!  You can read the same press release from AGIS regarding
their "solution" to the commercial e-mail problem at:

http://www.agis.net/press24.htm

-------------------------------------START

Dearborn, MI � April 23rd, 1997: Worldwide Internet access giant AGIS
(Apex Global Information Services, Inc.) announced today its solution
to the bulk commercial e-mail issue (referred to among much of the Net
community as the "spam" problem). The Michigan-based Internet access
provider, founded in 1994 and one of the original "big six" Internet
companies, has been at the center of a recent controversy for
providing Internet connections to corporations that send unsolicited
commercial e-mail to Internet users.

AGIS has initiated the formation of an industry wide trade association
for the purpose of promoting ethical bulk mail practices. The
organization will serve as a watchdog for the prevention of commercial
e-mail abuse. Bulk e-mailers will then be required to join the
organization in order to purchase Internet connections from AGIS. AGIS
has enlisted cooperation from other networks and major corporations
that support this solution.

"In the interest of better serving all aspects of the Internet
community, AGIS has considered the bulk e-mail issue at length and
come up with a solution that we believe will be good for everyone on
the Internet," said Phillip J. Lawlor, AGIS President and CEO. "In the
very near future, AGIS will host a Web site Internet users may access
in order to be permanently removed from commercial e-mail lists, if
they so desire." 

Internet users who do not desire to receive unsolicited commercial
e-mail (from corporations that belong to the above mentioned
association) may access a global "remove" list, where they shall be
taken off bulk e-mail lists of any registered member once and for all.
AGIS will refuse to offer service to all commercial e-mail companies
that are not part of this organization.

AGIS has refused to take a "Big Brother" stance by monitoring and/or
censoring its customers' business practices. It has consistently been
AGIS' position that the Internet is an open marketplace where commerce
of any and all kinds may take place in accordance with public demand. 

Headquartered in Dearborn, Michigan, AGIS provides Internet access to
millions of users via its extensive customer base of Regional Bell
Operating Companies, content providers, large corporations and
Internet service providers. The Company has over 200 Points of
Presence (POPs) and offers Internet connections from 56 Kbps to 155
Mbps.

-------------------------------------END

Well, it looks like it's a step in the right direction!  We can hope.

---
Normal people: Don't reply as to this address, as
it's mearly a decoy account to count the amount of
spam I get.  Just in case the spambots missed it:

clayduck@hotmail.com

Send me that hot n' chunky spam chutney!



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From: "koreanam" <koreanam@nownuri.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
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> Nadim wrote:
> > 
> > Me too please! nad@techie.com
> Me to as well matt@parkavenue.net
> 
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From: pavanas@nomina.ccia.com (pavanas abludo incusus)
Subject: Re: AGIS's Press Release: "Commercial E-Mail Solution"!
Date: 1997/04/24
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On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 05:50:13 GMT,
 Michael Rathbun <spamtrap@nanae.honet.com> mused and hath written:

>In <3363dea5.4823254@news.alt.net> (news.admin.net-abuse.email), on Thu, 24
>Apr 1997 04:21:34 GMT,
>clayduck@hotmail.com (Clay Duck) wrote:
>
>>This just in!  You can read the same press release from AGIS regarding
>>their "solution" to the commercial e-mail problem at:
>>
>>http://www.agis.net/press24.htm
>>-------------------------------------END
>[snip]
>
>>
>>Well, it looks like it's a step in the right direction!  We can hope.
>
>Not by any stretch of the imagination is it even slightly tolerable:  it
>firmly establishes UBE as an acceptable business practice.  It forms a
>voluntary association of honest pirates.  
>
UCE is not acceptable in and of itself as practised today due the inherent 
NON-accountabity of the `solicitors'. to in any way clothe it in the cloth
of `acceptable business practice' flies in the face of honest business
people world-wide. 

generations of lawmakers have enacted laws to deal with these various
forms of fraud, mis-representation, and deceit. these laws have been
enacted to protect the public from dishonest business people. 

why do you think the selling feature of cyber promo and his ilk is `flame
proof accounts'. is it not just so the purveyors of the latest variation
of the scam of the day will in no way be held accountable for their
actions. these same people are also able to avoid the normal costs of
business i.e both collecting and paying lawful taxes, fees etc.

regardless of the smoke and mirrors used to deign respectabilty upon UCE
none will be forthcoming until there is accountabilty. there will be no
accountabilty because accountabilty will cause said purveyors to be
exposed the light of public scutiny. and we well know that they will not
be able to withstand public scutiny elsewise they would have engaged in
accountable business practices from the beginning.

>On the bright side, it is going to significantly accelerate AGIS' problems
>with the rest of the net, as it confirms the general opinion that business
>ethics are not part of the AGIS corporate culture.
>
yes, this has proven what was long suspected AGIS is not a respectable
business organisation. when you are willing to harbour purveyors of
suspect business practices then you can be held in no greater esteem than
these purveyors are held.


>mdr
>-- 
>The From: address is mailable, but mdr@HONet.com is more likely to be read.
>
>"Honest folk do not wear masks when they enter a bank."
>                                   -- Unspiek, Baron Bodissey


-- 
IHS
pavanas
	The secret thoughts of a man run over all things, holy, profane,
	clean, obscene, grave, and light, without shame of blame.  Hobbs



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From: "Mario Damen" <gmpdamen@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
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add me too !

hgowar@pixie.co.za wrote in article <5jlmpi$8ui@hawk.pix.za>...
> Faceless <faceless@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >kevinac wrote:
> >> 
> >> Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
> >> 
> >> falgun javia wrote:
> >> >
> >> > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> >> >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> >> > >Freezer wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Bye!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -=> The Freezer
> >> > >> -=> dino@database.it
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Add me to please
> >> > >David@mint-hpvac.com
> >> > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net
> add ne too gmouse@pixie.co.za
> 
> 
> 



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From: spamtrap@nanae.honet.com (Michael Rathbun)
Subject: Re: AGIS's Press Release: "Commercial E-Mail Solution"!
Date: 1997/04/24
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In <slrn5lv4rf.eaf.pavanas@nomina.ccia.com> (news.admin.net-abuse.email), on
24 Apr 1997 17:07:15 GMT,
pavanas@nomina.ccia.com (pavanas abludo incusus) wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 05:50:13 GMT,
> Michael Rathbun <spamtrap@nanae.honet.com> mused and hath written:
[...]
>>Not by any stretch of the imagination is it even slightly tolerable:  it
>>firmly establishes UBE as an acceptable business practice.  It forms a
>>voluntary association of honest pirates.  
>>
>UCE is not acceptable in and of itself as practised today due the inherent 
>NON-accountabity of the `solicitors'. to in any way clothe it in the cloth
>of `acceptable business practice' flies in the face of honest business
>people world-wide. 

Until such time as I am properly compensated for the use of my property, any
such activity is fraud and theft.  Accountability is an additional issue, to
be sure, but the fundamental flaw in the concept is the assumption on the part
of the broadcaster that he may place his material where he wishes. 

"Accountability" deals with content and intent; I am more interested in the
mode of transport, and who pays for it.  Standing outside my window with a
bullhorn and uttering a harangue is neither moral nor lawful regardless of the
why and what of your vociferations.


>generations of lawmakers have enacted laws to deal with these various
>forms of fraud, mis-representation, and deceit. these laws have been
>enacted to protect the public from dishonest business people. 
>
>why do you think the selling feature of cyber promo and his ilk is `flame
>proof accounts'. is it not just so the purveyors of the latest variation
>of the scam of the day will in no way be held accountable for their
>actions. these same people are also able to avoid the normal costs of
>business i.e both collecting and paying lawful taxes, fees etc.

Again, this is indeed a collateral benefit; but the primary benefit of such
accounts remains:  responsible providers terminate the accounts of those that
practice theft-of-service.  They must -- the social contract that enables the
net to function ultimately demands that.  AGIS, perhaps, discovers that anon.


>regardless of the smoke and mirrors used to deign respectabilty upon UCE
>none will be forthcoming until there is accountabilty. there will be no
>accountabilty because accountabilty will cause said purveyors to be
>exposed the light of public scutiny. and we well know that they will not
>be able to withstand public scutiny elsewise they would have engaged in
>accountable business practices from the beginning.

No.  UBE cannot become respectable.  There is no situation under which I am
prepared to concede to these people the right to dispose of my property
without my permission and without payment to me.  When they begin to
substantially underwrite the cost of my equipment, and that of my providers,
my attitude might change.  Until then:  

UBE is trespass, fraud and theft.

mdr
-- 
The From: address is mailable, but mdr@HONet.com is more likely to be read.

"Honest folk do not wear masks when they enter a bank."
                                   -- Unspiek, Baron Bodissey



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From: Scott Barrett <bear@picom.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
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koreanam wrote:
> 
> matt <matt@parkavenue.net>��(��) <335E9E06.4CDA@parkavenue.net>
> ��翡�� �ۼ��߽��ϴ�...
> > Nadim wrote:
> > >
> > > Me too please! nad@techie.com
> > Me to as well matt@parkavenue.net
> >
> ******************************
> Give me please! koreanam@nownuri.net
>>Me too, bear@picom.com



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From: bd101@hotmail.com (BD)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/04/24
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Please add me aswell.... thx -bd
bd101@hotmail.com



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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rochaa@salamanca.ugto.mx wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:25:31 -0700, Faceless <faceless@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >kevinac wrote:
> >>
> >> Add me too please,  kevinacon@ibm.net
> >>
> >> falgun javia wrote:
> >> >
> >> > hey sign me up falgun@U.arizona.edu
> >> >  David Schuler wrote in article <3348423C.5546@mint-hpvac.com>...
> >> > >Freezer wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Add me please: dino@database.it
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Bye!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -=> The Freezer
> >> > >> -=> dino@database.it
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Add me to please
> >> > >David@mint-hpvac.com
> >> > >Add me too please: faceless@earthlink.net
> 
> me too rochaa@salamanca.ugto.mx
Me too		jungjoon@sicc.co.kr



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Date: 1997/04/25
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We now require password authentication to access the gte.net news
servers. This will prevent Sexzilla/Netzilla from using us as a spam
relay.

We are still owrking actively to curtail other news spam (ie Sexstreams)
coming from inside gte.net.

Hey, if Steve Winter is filing charges, we must be doing something
right.  http://www.prime.org ;)

Dan Tedrick
GTEINS



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Subject: Re: GTEINS (gte.net) latest Spam reduction effort (official posting)
Date: 1997/04/26
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In article <5jr8n8$ndu$1@news5.gte.net>, Dan Tedrick  <dtedrick@gte.net> wrote:
>We now require password authentication to access the gte.net news
>servers. This will prevent Sexzilla/Netzilla from using us as a spam
>relay.

Great!

>We are still owrking actively to curtail other news spam (ie Sexstreams)
>coming from inside gte.net.

You can use the spam detector software available from http://spam.abuse.net
to automatically detect and kill it.  That's what I'm doing...

>Hey, if Steve Winter is filing charges, we must be doing something
>right.  http://www.prime.org ;)

Congratulations!  You're definately one of the good guys now ;-)
-- 
For more information on spam, including countermeasures and resources,
see the Internet Spam Boycott, at <URL:http://spam.abuse.net/spam/>.

Chris Lewis: _Una confibula non sat est_



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From: howardk@netcom.com (Howard Knight)
Subject: Re: GTEINS (gte.net) latest Spam reduction effort (official posting)
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Dan Tedrick (dtedrick@gte.net) wrote:
> We now require password authentication to access the gte.net news
> servers. This will prevent Sexzilla/Netzilla from using us as a spam
> relay.

It's ashame you had to do this.  But I'm glad to hear that we won't
see anymore 'zilla spam from your site.

> We are still owrking actively to curtail other news spam (ie Sexstreams)
> coming from inside gte.net.

Hurry!  That spammer(s) really pisses me off! ;)

> Hey, if Steve Winter is filing charges, we must be doing something
> right.  http://www.prime.org ;)

Yes!

Thanks!

Howard



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From: jwales@MCS.COM (Jimbo- Wales)
Subject: Re: Childish attempt at HPO takeover, with recommendations
Date: 1997/04/26
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Brad is mistaken about various points of the proposal facing the
humanities.philosophy.objectivism newsgroup.  There is and was no
"takeover attempt".  What is before us on HPO is a proposal put
forward by me (not an advocate of Neo-Tech!) to amend the charter
through the usual Usenet practices.

Of course, on Usenet, any proposal for newsgroup charter changes
is met not just with knee-jerk opposition, but knee-jerk claims
that regular procedures are not being followed.

>(Note: contrary to Ms. 
>Grossman's implied premise, the purpose of HPO is not evangelizing 
>Objectivism on the Internet; rather, it is to serve as a readable, 
>civilized discussion forum for those interested in Objectivism.

In all cases, the purpose of a newsgroup is determined by the
people who post there.  The proposal is offered in the usual manner
for the consideration of the Usenet community.  I seek to build a
consensus and see the changes implemented, or to fail to do so in
the usual way.

I wrote:
>>From a practical point of view, we will need the co-operation and support
>>of the moderator.  If I understand the mechanics of Usenet, he has the
>>_power_ to arbitrarily and unilaterally change the rules to whatever he
>>likes.  So if he is willing to co-operate, and if we follow an open and
>>fair process in the spirit of Usenet rules, there should be no impediment
>>to enacting these changes. 
>
>In other words, throw all democratic process out the door, throw the 
>interests of the participants out the door, and just ram through the change 
>unilaterally by the moderator.

How Brad got this out of the previous paragraph eludes me.  The "open and
fair process" I allude to is precisely the regular Usenet procedure of a
RFD, CFV, independent vote-takers and so on.  My point about needing the
co-operation and support of the moderator is that *as I understand it*
there is no physical means for removal of a moderator who does not
agree to be bound by a vote.  Perhaps this problem has been resolved.

In any event, it should be clear to any thinking person that I am
not in favor of just 'ramming through the change unilaterally'.  My
concern is that without support from the moderator, all the democratic
action on earth won't do us any good.

(By the way, I have every reason to believe that Tim will work within
the usual democratic process; he's been a wonderful moderator.  But
additionally, the current proposal asks for certain new *technical*
innovations, and we will need Tim's co-operation on those.)

--Jimbo

p.s.  Those on news.admin.net-abuse.misc who may be taken in by
Brad's claim that I'm some kind of Neo-tech "cultist" engaged in
some kind of power grab may wish to 'check my references,' so to
speak.  I am a regular member of HPO, and have posted there a great
many times.  



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From: Jacob.Weber@oberlin.edu (Jacob Weber)
Subject: Re: Childish attempt at HPO takeover, with recommendations
Date: 1997/04/27
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In article <5jt88f$6e3$1@Mercury.mcs.net>, jwales@MCS.COM (Jimbo- Wales) wrote:

> I wrote:
> >>From a practical point of view, we will need the co-operation and support
> >>of the moderator.  If I understand the mechanics of Usenet, he has the
> >>_power_ to arbitrarily and unilaterally change the rules to whatever he
> >>likes.  So if he is willing to co-operate, and if we follow an open and
> >>fair process in the spirit of Usenet rules, there should be no impediment
> >>to enacting these changes. 
> >
> >In other words, throw all democratic process out the door, throw the 
> >interests of the participants out the door, and just ram through the change 
> >unilaterally by the moderator.
> 
> How Brad got this out of the previous paragraph eludes me.  The "open and
> fair process" I allude to is precisely the regular Usenet procedure of a
> RFD, CFV, independent vote-takers and so on.  My point about needing the
> co-operation and support of the moderator is that *as I understand it*
> there is no physical means for removal of a moderator who does not
> agree to be bound by a vote.  Perhaps this problem has been resolved.


Wait a minute...so that "Jennifer Grossman" was you? Sneaky....

If you're wondering how Brad got his interpretation of the previous
paragraph, read it over again, and substitute a [...] for the words "and
if we follow an open and fair process in the spirit of Usenet rules."
That's what he did.

----------------------------------------------------------
Jacob Weber                        Jacob.Weber@oberlin.edu
Oberlin College            http://www.oberlin.edu/~jweber/



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From: Stan Kalisch III <sjkiii@crl.com>
Subject: Re: AGIS's Press Release: "Commercial E-Mail Solution"!
Date: 1997/04/27
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On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Clay Duck wrote:

> This just in!  You can read the same press release from AGIS regarding
> their "solution" to the commercial e-mail problem at:
> 
> http://www.agis.net/press24.htm
> 
> -------------------------------------START

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> AGIS has refused to take a "Big Brother" stance by monitoring and/or
> censoring its customers' business practices. It has consistently been
> AGIS' position that the Internet is an open marketplace where commerce
> of any and all kinds may take place in accordance with public demand. 

AGIS doesn't understand the United States' economy, then.  The U.S.
economy is not "an open marketplace where commerce of any and all kind may
take place in accordance with public demand."

Most likely, AGIS will soon learn this first-hand from the U.S.
Government.


Stan

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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Martha Siegel's New Book
Date: 1997/05/13
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Modemac (modemac@shell1.tiac.net) wrote:
: As has been mentioned already, an updated version of "How to Make A
: Fortune on the Information supernighway" is now out, called "How to Make A
: Fortune on the Internet.  I flipped through it quickly in the bookstore,
: and saw that Miss Siegel's unrepentant cluelessness is as strong as ever.
: I was especially amused at the passage where she promotes bulk emailing,
: actually reccomends trusting the spammed ads saying "Bulk Email Software
: For Sale!", and tries to get people to believe that the persistence of
: spammers who keep doing it again and again (despite being repeatedly
: thrown off of many ISPs) is because "newsgroup advertising works!"

It does work.  That's why so many companies are doing it.  You have to
accept that just as it's annoying to you and 50%+ other people receiving
it, there are others who appreciate it.  It's hard to believe, but thats
the unfortunate reality of the situation.

: This new updated version of the book has been treated with a collective
: yawn by the denizens of the Net, and that's all it deserves.  If we keep
: on ignoring it, it will disappear quickly and that will take care of
: that.

Except that it will inspire more people to join the spam game.

: The concept of "spam" on the Net is already widely known to advertisers,
: thanks to YOUR admirable and persistent efforts in opposing it.  The vast
: majority of companies and advertisers DO NOT SPAM, because they know how
: suicidal a practice it is.  That's why the vast majority of spams are
: coming from rip-off scams, illegal pyramid schemes, genuinely ignorant
: newcomers who learn their lesson very quickly, and sex garbage.  We DON'T
: see any spams coming from Microsoft, Coca-Cola, FAO Schwartz, AT&T (that
: is, spams that advertise AT&T), or any of the big companies that have
: massive advertising budgets.  They don't spam because they know better.
: And Martha Siegel's new book isn't going to change that.

Except that more companies are spamming every day.

: That's why Cyberpromo's days are numbered.  That's why Jeff Slaton got out
: while he still could.  Spammers may make their money in the short term,
: but in the end they are doomed.  Spam will probably always be a problem on
: the Net -- and indeed, it's probably going to gte worse before it gets
: better -- but it hasn't destroyed the Net. 

The methods used by Skirvin and gang won't stop spam, though they might
slow it down.  And for every spam there's an accompanying cancel message
to further clog the backbones of the Internet.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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Subject: Re: EarthLink's Net Abuse Report for Monday, May 12, 1997
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: On Tue, 13 May 1997 00:57:04 GMT, oreo@earthlink.net (Harris Schwartz)
: wrote:
: 
: I keep track of a LOT of Spammers;  a LOT of them are Spamming from
: Earthlink, and I don't think I've EVER recognized a SINGLE name on
: your stupid lists.

Maybe the names are just made up for posting here?

: At that rate, you'll be free of Spammers in...
: 
: Well, actually, at that rate you'll NEVER be free of Spammers!

Maybe getting rid of spammers would be bad for business?

: One of the really annoying things about your little Spam-haven is that
: your Usenet Spammers don't even get to see how much of their crap is
: getting cancelled, since you don't honor legit 3rd-party cancels.  

There really isn't such thing as a "legit" 3rd-party cancel.  It's like
talking about "legit" 3-dollar bills, or "consensual" rape.

: And to crown all, _you_ profit from them, and I have to PAY for the
: honor of sweeping up after them.

You can easily set up smart filters to ignore them effortlessly.  Why
are you intent on giving youself a heart attack?

-Ric G.
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From: danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be (Bernard Danloy)
Subject: Who knows LASU's filter ? Anyone using it ?
Date: 1997/05/14
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My e-mail address has been recently caught by spammers and i am now
aware of the growing spam problem. I would like to react and find
constructive solutions. I have read some articles in newsgroups
related with spam but cannot find the place where defensive
approaches are discussed. Can anyone give a pointer ?

I spent some time to think about the problem and i got the feeling
the right solution is not to filter with a blacklist but to do it
with a green list ( people and domains allowed to send mail )

Looking on the web, i discovered today that my idea was not new
at all since it is part of the filtering approach designed and
implemented by Lars Wirzenius
( see http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/mailfilter.html )

Here is how it looks like :

>   1.If the sender is on the blacklist, delete the letter. 
>   2.Put mailing lists in their own folders....
>   3....
>   4.At this point, it should be personal mail. Check that the
>       To or Cc headers address me. If not, delete the mail. 
>   5.Put bounce messages in their own mailbox. 
>   6.If the sender is on my whitelist: 
                             ^^^^^^^^^
>         1.If I'm on vacation, send back automatic response. 
>         2.Put the letter in inbox. 
>   7.If the subject includes password, put in special folder for unknown
people.
                              ^^^^^^^^ 
>   8.Otherwise, autoreply with request to use password and delete the mail.
                 ^^^^^^^^^ 

I am convinced this is the right way to proceed ( Lars mention a few possible
problems but i am sure they can be solved ) and i would like to know :

  1. Why do most people focus on some *negative* filtering ( you reject what
       you know being bad mail ) ? Why not considering *positive* filtering
       ( you accept what you know being good mail ) ?

  2. Who has tested Lars' approach ? Who has implemented it ? Successfully ?

Bernard Danloy



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First off, your approach sounds so restrictive that it seems that it would
just be easier to not put your email address on the usenet, and tell
people to contact you thru your web page.

It's a sad commentary on the state of the world when we have to go to such
extensive lengths to get rid of the lowlife of the world.  I too, have
found that my email address is immortalized, along with thousands of
others, on some CD-ROM that is sold to spammers for their evil spew.
That's why I'm discontinuing this account and its email address.

Bernard Danloy (danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be) wrote:

: My e-mail address has been recently caught by spammers and i am now
: aware of the growing spam problem. I would like to react and find
: constructive solutions. I have read some articles in newsgroups
: related with spam but cannot find the place where defensive
: approaches are discussed. Can anyone give a pointer ?

: I spent some time to think about the problem and i got the feeling
: the right solution is not to filter with a blacklist but to do it
: with a green list ( people and domains allowed to send mail )

: Looking on the web, i discovered today that my idea was not new
: at all since it is part of the filtering approach designed and
: implemented by Lars Wirzenius
: ( see http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/mailfilter.html )

: Here is how it looks like :

: >   1.If the sender is on the blacklist, delete the letter. 
: >   2.Put mailing lists in their own folders....
: >   3....
: >   4.At this point, it should be personal mail. Check that the
: >       To or Cc headers address me. If not, delete the mail. 
: >   5.Put bounce messages in their own mailbox. 
: >   6.If the sender is on my whitelist: 
:                              ^^^^^^^^^
: >         1.If I'm on vacation, send back automatic response. 
: >         2.Put the letter in inbox. 
: >   7.If the subject includes password, put in special folder for unknown
: people.
:                               ^^^^^^^^ 
: >   8.Otherwise, autoreply with request to use password and delete the mail.
:                  ^^^^^^^^^ 

: I am convinced this is the right way to proceed ( Lars mention a few possible
: problems but i am sure they can be solved ) and i would like to know :

:   1. Why do most people focus on some *negative* filtering ( you reject what
:        you know being bad mail ) ? Why not considering *positive* filtering
:        ( you accept what you know being good mail ) ?

:   2. Who has tested Lars' approach ? Who has implemented it ? Successfully ?

: Bernard Danloy

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Date: 1997/05/14
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In article <danloy-1405971953430001@quadra.anma.ucl.ac.be>,
danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be (Bernard Danloy) wrote:

> ...
>   1. Why do most people focus on some *negative* filtering ( you reject what
>        you know being bad mail ) ? Why not considering *positive* filtering
>        ( you accept what you know being good mail ) ?
> ...

Well, I'm part of a software company. In a typical week, I probably
receive legitimate messages from a couple of hundred different people,
many of whom I've never received e-mail from in the past (such as
potential customers asking for info). So "positive filtering" wouldn't
work at all for me.

Your situation might well be quite different.

-- Dave Goldman
   Research Software Design




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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: EarthLink's Net Abuse Report for Monday, May 12, 1997
Date: 1997/05/15
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In article <5lemsr$anc$1@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
> Most people who have corkboards don't know that you might be able to
> rip down something you don't like and that it would also remove identical
> copies on their corkboards that they did like.

If they don't know that after the past three years of spam then they must
be considered absentee landlords by now.

> But their news administrators can run smart software to eliminate the
> clearly useless spams (groups a-c that you posted above).

Oh, now you want content-based filtering at the spool, based on some robot's
idea of what a "useless spam" is. Man, the opportunities for misuse of that
sort of technology are mindblowing.

Ever hear of 'redlining', Ricardo?

> Why would you conclude that?  I've fixed several sites and made them
> virtually 100% spam-free.

I've made two whole *networks* 100% spam free, with a robot *combined with*
a requirement that sites in the network act responsibly. Without having the
robot try and figure out that a message is spam based on its content.

The robot doesn't look at the content of the messages. It just looks at the
headers, to see if the article is tagged by a responsible site.

The question is... does this extend to a bigger network... and *should* it
extend to a bigger network? Like I said in my last message, the things that
make the street dangerous are the same things that make it useful.
-- 
           The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH, 3D0G, KIBO.
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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: EarthLink's Net Abuse Report for Monday, May 12, 1997
Date: 1997/05/15
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Lysander Spooner (buchanan@gate.cybernex.net) wrote:
: 
: By choosing to acccept legitimate 3rd party cancels, the _owners_ of
: the "other people's corkboards" are clearly alllowing my modifications
: and thus I'm not "forcing" anything upon anyone.   Just because you
: don't _approve_ of them having this freedom of choice doesn't mean
: they shouldn't _have_ the freedom.   I have no power to "intrude" upon
: anybody's corkboard who doesn't want me there.

Most people who have corkboards don't know that you might be able to
rip down something you don't like and that it would also remove identical
copies on their corkboards that they did like.

: And the cancels aren't forged.  Anyone who claims they are is either
: incapable of using a dictionary or is engaged in the Big Lie
: technique.  You hope that by saying it over and over you might get
: people to believe it.   Face it -- there are _maybe_ five of you who
: buy this line of bullshit.

Your argument style is not rational.  You might as well say that anyone
who claims [fill in claim] is either a mental patient or a crack smoking
prostitute kook.

If you put someone else's name in the headers then its forged.  If I
write your name on my driver's license then its forged.  It doesn't
matter if I signed it with mine or if I put my home address.  It is
either completely correct or it is forgery.

: >: a) identify 95%+ of commercial website advertisements
: >: b) identify 95%+ of phone-sex advertisements
: >: c) identify 95%+ of solicitations for multi-level-marketing schemes
: >: d) have a "false positive" rate of <=5%
: >
: >I haven't tried a) but the other three filters I've done before and
: >they're near perfect.
: 
: Then it should be easy for you to make a few additions and take me for
: a pile of money, right?

It depends if you are going to allow for more than a primitive AI system.

: >: You may use any operators in your expressions, at any level of
: >: complexity, and up to 100 such expressions.
: >
: >When I filter sites, I use techniques other than just bulk regular
: >expressions.  Why are you limiting your filter technology?
: 
: Because I'm interested in making Usenet usable to a larger segment of
: the net community than just those who can code/modify AI based custom
: software.   You're not some kind of elitist, are you?

My job requires me to solve problems.  That's what I do and that's why
I oppose incorrect "patches" like cancel messages that only deal with
problems long after the fact and contribute additional wasted bandwidth.
The method of control that the senders seek to exhibit is also an error
in the design.

: Most users (the Windoze-only crowd) don't even have the option of
: using a set of bulk regular expressions as powerful as what I've
: outlined in my challenge.  

But their news administrators can run smart software to eliminate the
clearly useless spams (groups a-c that you posted above).

: Dweebs who use Netscape have no filtering at all (their own problem,
: IMHO).   Agent users (a large population) can only filter based on
: author and subject.   Gravity is better, but can't do comparisons on a
: lot of fields (NNTP-Posting-Host is the most frustrating omission.)

But their news administrators can run smart software to eliminate the
clearly useless spams (groups a-c that you posted above).

: The parameters I specified would make the filters usable to anyone who
: has access to a Unix shell account.   And even those are getting
: harder to come by since more and more providers are no longer offering
: shell access.  (Does anyone know the reason for this absurd trend?)
:
: Under the circumstances, my challenge is quite generous. 

Your "challenge" is full of immature assumptions.  Why would you
toy with a problem instead of just outrightly solving it?

: Care to take me up on the challenge?  If not, I'll have to conclude
: that you are agreeing with me that filtering is _not_ a viable
: alternative to legitimate Spam-cancels at this point.

Why would you conclude that?  I've fixed several sites and made them
virtually 100% spam-free.  To do that you deal with news at the
news level instead of individually each time a user want to read an
article.  Why would you choose the approach you propose: an intentionally
obtuse and awkward method that prevents you from using good filtering
tools?

If you fix news at the local level and take care to watch what's
coming in (and going out) then you can control spam pretty easily.  You
ave no control if you're only going to clean up the mess after some 
random person has already taken a violent shit in your living room.

-Ric G.
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Harris Schwartz (oreo@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Users:
: 
: 1.  adsnet
: 2.  remove4u
: 3.  goosebump
: 4.  berc
: 5.  extractor
: 6.  bllybob
: 7.  books1
: 8.  charley1

Here are some others:

9. spamR
10. morcrap
11. scheidell
12. belchman
13. jklaswie
14. someads

They're all done now!  I promise!

-Ric G.
1G: Command not found.



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From: rfg@monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)
Subject: Re: Who knows LASU's filter ? Anyone using it ?
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In article <dave-1405972113470001@ip-pdx22-19.teleport.com>,
Dave Goldman <dave@rsd.com_!rem!ove!this> wrote:
>Well, I'm part of a software company. In a typical week, I probably
>receive legitimate messages from a couple of hundred different people,
>many of whom I've never received e-mail from in the past (such as
>potential customers asking for info). So "positive filtering" wouldn't
>work at all for me.

I am in exactly the same boat.  Many of us are.  That is why effective
automatic and blacklist-based filtering is inevitable.  (And I myself
happen to be working on that.)
-- 

-- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, CA -------- Infinite Monkeys & Co. ------------
---- E-mail: rfg@monkeys.com ------------ http://www.ns.net/~rfg/ ----------
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Subject: Re: Who knows LASU's filter ? Anyone using it ?
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Bernard Danloy <danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be> wrote in article
<danloy-1405971953430001@quadra.anma.ucl.ac.be>...

> I spent some time to think about the problem and i got the feeling
> the right solution is not to filter with a blacklist but to do it
> with a green list ( people and domains allowed to send mail )
> 

We at SpamNet ( http://spamnet.com ) have access to such a program. It does
both, you can have it either filter out unwanted email or filter in wanted
mail. We dont sell it yet but we are thinking about it. Please let us know
what you think. comments@spamnet.com




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Subject: Re: Rick Buchanan is lying again (Was: Retromoderation in alt.smokers.cigars)
Date: 1997/05/16
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Andrew Gierth (andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: 
: Anyone wishing to reject the spam-cancels while continuing to process
: legitimate author cancels can simply alias out "cyberspam". This can
: be done at the server in current versions of INN, or at the upstream
: feed in most (all?) other cases.

Funny how you say that anyone can filter out unwanted cancels because
the software supports it, though you guys won't let anyone but Lawrence
send newgroup/rmgroup messages (calling it "net abuse") though the
software can trivially filter unwanted ones.

You're grasping for control while you keep a closed USENET system.
Why won't you let others participate?  Why do you think you own the
big 8 just because you've seized control away from the participants?

-Ric G.
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From: danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be (Bernard Danloy)
Subject: LASU's filter : thank you to unknown !
Date: 1997/05/18
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I have received a mail-reply to my previous post

> Just in case you've not run across these:
> http://www.indefinite.com/spamfree/index.htm
> http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/home/nana/
> http://www.iname.com/support/general.html#spamming
> http://spam.abuse.net/spam//

I would like to thank the one ( Chuck ? ) from ibm.net who sent it
i did corrupt my mailbox and lost the address
i am sorry, i just hope he will read this

Bernard



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: The Tools! We need a probe on Alltel
Date: 1997/05/19
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: In article <macabrus-ya02408000R1805971415510001@news.concentric.net>,
: Phoenix <macabrus@aol.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.com> wrote:
: > That wasn't very nice.  Wasn't very accurate, either.  You'd keel over
: > from the stench before you had time to shit your pants.
: 
: Please, leave the stupid insults to the people not qualified to deliver
: anything better. Thanks.

Now your concerned about the quality of insults in this group.  What
even happened to working with others to help stop net abuse? 

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Who Canceled This?????: was Re: REPOST: Re: Can someone get e-mail addr from browsing?
Date: 1997/05/19
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Roswell Coverup (Majestic7@NOSPAMcryogen.com) wrote:
: 
: Okay who the HELL is canceling these posts???????
 
What does it matter?  Cancel messages are only advisory.  If you don't
want them you can fix your server so it doesn't take fraudulent cancel
messages.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: dave@rsd.com_!rem!ove!this (Dave Goldman)
Subject: Re: Who Canceled This?????: was Re: REPOST: Re: Can someone get e-mail addr from browsing?
Date: 1997/05/19
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In article <5lq7ee$9bp$2@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
(Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

> Roswell Coverup (Majestic7@NOSPAMcryogen.com) wrote:
> : 
> : Okay who the HELL is canceling these posts???????
>  
> What does it matter?  Cancel messages are only advisory.  If you don't
> want them you can fix your server so it doesn't take fraudulent cancel
> messages.
> 
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy


Uh, Ric, this is 1997. Not everyone who posts to Usenet, or who reads
Usenet, is a sysadmin. Nor do the vast majority of us have the ability to
influence our sysadmin's decisions about recognizing or ignoring cancels.

-- Dave Goldman
   Research Software Design




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Subject: Re: The Tools! We need a probe on Alltel
Date: 1997/05/20
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Kevin Podsiadlik (kjpodsia@cyberramp.net) wrote:
: In article <5lq75k$9bp$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
: (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:
: >Now your concerned about the quality of insults in this group.  What
: >even happened to working with others to help stop net abuse? 
: 
: Ric, give it up.  You know full well you have no room to talk.

My sole goal is to help stop net abuse.  I am working with others who
share this goal.

: BTW, which group is "this group"?

I'm reading this post in alt.censorship, but I'd say that the quality of 
insults is probably irrelevant in all of the groups you list.

: 1) alt.censorship
: 2) alt.internet.services
: 3) news.admin.censorship
: 4) news.admin.net-abuse.misc
: 5) news.admin.misc
: 6) news.admin.net-scum
: 7) sci.meow
: 8) net.admin.net-abuse
 
-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/21
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: 
: Let's say someone was abusing my local newsgroups by crossposting to
: them. Then I asked nicely for the abuse to stop. The abuser continues
: even though these aren't distributed back to my feed. 
: 
: Am I wrong in cancelling his articles on my local newsgroup, even 
: though the effect will be cancellation of the article in all
: groups?

It's ok for anyone to send forged cancel any articles for any reason.  
After all, cancels are only advisory and you don't have to configure
your news server to accept them.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
Semper Cannabis




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From: kjpodsia@cyberramp.net (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: Re: Who Canceled This?????: was Re: REPOST: Re: Can someone get e-mail addr from browsing?
Date: 1997/05/21
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In article <5lvg3l$l67$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com
(Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>Phoenix (macabrus@aol.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.com) wrote:
>:
>: So you are saying that nothing should be done about the canceller?
>: You're saying rogue cancelling of posts is not a problem?  Gee, I
>: thought you OPPOSED censorship.  But you never oppose it when
>: it is one of your opponents getting censored, do you?  Why?
>
>It's a problem when Chris Lewis, the Braver twins, and others send numerous
>forged cancel messages.

But it's not a problem when someone else does?  That's what the question was.

>However, you can avoid the problem if you fix
>your news server so that it doesn't take fraudulent cancels.  If you don't
>have access to the news server on your ISP then switch to a respectible
>ISP that doesn't accept forged cancel messages.  Problem solved.

Except, of course, for the original problem of newsgroup spam, but apparently
that's not so important to you.

-- 
Kevin Podsiadlik ("Net.Scum" -- Cyberpromo)

Save the people you love up to 100%:
PAY FOR YOUR OWN FRIGGIN PHONE CALLS!



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Who Canceled This?????: was Re: REPOST: Re: Can someone get e-mail addr from browsing?
Date: 1997/05/21
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Phoenix (macabrus@aol.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.com) wrote:
:
: So you are saying that nothing should be done about the canceller?
: You're saying rogue cancelling of posts is not a problem?  Gee, I
: thought you OPPOSED censorship.  But you never oppose it when
: it is one of your opponents getting censored, do you?  Why?

It's a problem when Chris Lewis, the Braver twins, and others send numerous
forged cancel messages.  However, you can avoid the problem if you fix
your news server so that it doesn't take fraudulent cancels.  If you don't
have access to the news server on your ISP then switch to a respectible
ISP that doesn't accept forged cancel messages.  Problem solved.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/22
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
:
: >It's ok for anyone to send forged cancel any articles for any reason.  
: >After all, cancels are only advisory and you don't have to configure
: >your news server to accept them.
: 
: Oh well, in that case, I guess I can cancel all Boursy posts to 
: local groups. I like that. Since you are the official FAQ maintainer
: of news.admin Hierarchy, I shall begin the cancelling immediately.

Since you guys let Scheidell cancels posts that he didn't agree with
in various music groups, it's clear that any forge cancelling that is
content-based is perfectly acceptable.  So go ahead and send forged
cancels for messages by people you don't like.  You guys want to do
it anyway - why hold yourselves back from the sadistic pleasure you
seek?

Remember, cancels are only advisory so anyone can send them.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
Semper Cannibis



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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/22
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Let me fix a typo there:

In article <5m25da$63c$3@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
> -Ric G.
> Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin.cannabis hierarchy

That's better, you poor twisted boy.
-- 
The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH, 3D0G, KIBO, POPE Ziggy Wotzit II.
Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'                                Kulanu Kibo.
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!                                 Vi er alle Kibo.
HEIL KIBO! HEIL KIBO! HEIL KIBO!                            Wir sind alle Kibo.



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: The Hooligan Approach Was: Stopping Boursy
Date: 1997/05/22
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Follower of the Clawed Albino (afn23950@pop3.afn.org) wrote:
: > Why do you guys insist on being hostile instead of working together
: > with Mr. Boursy to help stop net abuse?
: 
: The day Mr. Boursy actually proposes something to stop net.abuse...
: [wild ad hominem argument excluded]

When net-cops, net-harassers and net-scum have their accounts removed, 
it does a good deal to help stop net abuse.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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Subject: Re: The Hooligan Approach Was: Stopping Boursy
Date: 1997/05/22
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Alien (allen-1@idt.net) wrote:
: >
: >When net-cops, net-harassers and net-scum have their accounts removed, 
: >it does a good deal to help stop net abuse.
: 
: So you believe that Boursy and Grubor should have their accounts
: removed?

I'm talking about people who send forged cancellation messages, try 
to control how USENET groups run, manipulate the voting system, call
people who criticize them "kooks", and in general fight for control
instead of working with others.

You guys would be lost with Boursy and Grubor.  You guys can't make
it through a day without attacking them and getting your jollies by
calling them names because they openly criticize your ethical lapses.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/22
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: In article <5m25da$63c$3@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: > -Ric G.
: > Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin.cannabis hierarchy

Since you insist on not discussing the issues, I see that I will have to
stoop to your level and exchange insults based on .sigs.

: The Revolting Peter da Silva, DICK, ASSHOLE, JERK, F00L, NAZI, LIAR, FORGER

That's better, you poor twisted boy.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/23
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Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <5m2led$5mb$2@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: >: In article <5m25da$63c$3@news2.digex.net>,
: >: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: >: > -Ric G.
: >: > Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin.cannabis hierarchy
: 
: [ snip ]
: 
: >Official FAQ Maintainer - news.meow meow meow meow!
: 
: Ricky, Yo! You a flufster too?

Thanks for helping stop net abuse with your constructive comments.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: bry@mnsinc.com (Bry C)
Subject: Re: Who knows LASU's filter ? Anyone using it ?
Date: 1997/05/23
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On 14 May 1997 17:42:34 GMT, danloy@anma.ucl.ac.be (Bernard Danloy)
wrote:

>
>My e-mail address has been recently caught by spammers and i am now
>aware of the growing spam problem. I would like to react and find
>constructive solutions. I have read some articles in newsgroups
>related with spam but cannot find the place where defensive
>approaches are discussed. Can anyone give a pointer ?
>
>I spent some time to think about the problem and i got the feeling
>the right solution is not to filter with a blacklist but to do it
>with a green list ( people and domains allowed to send mail )
>
>Looking on the web, i discovered today that my idea was not new
>at all since it is part of the filtering approach designed and
>implemented by Lars Wirzenius
>( see http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/mailfilter.html )
>
>Here is how it looks like :
>
>>   1.If the sender is on the blacklist, delete the letter. 
>>   2.Put mailing lists in their own folders....
>>   3....
>>   4.At this point, it should be personal mail. Check that the
>>       To or Cc headers address me. If not, delete the mail. 
>>   5.Put bounce messages in their own mailbox. 
>>   6.If the sender is on my whitelist: 
>                             ^^^^^^^^^
>>         1.If I'm on vacation, send back automatic response. 
>>         2.Put the letter in inbox. 
>>   7.If the subject includes password, put in special folder for unknown
>people.
>                              ^^^^^^^^ 
>>   8.Otherwise, autoreply with request to use password and delete the mail.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^ 
>
>I am convinced this is the right way to proceed ( Lars mention a few possible
>problems but i am sure they can be solved ) and i would like to know :
>
>  1. Why do most people focus on some *negative* filtering ( you reject what
>       you know being bad mail ) ? Why not considering *positive* filtering
>       ( you accept what you know being good mail ) ?
>
>  2. Who has tested Lars' approach ? Who has implemented it ? Successfully ?
>
>Bernard Danloy

You are wasting your time. I tried this. Soon your blacklist will be
500 Megabytes long.

The trouble is that they are SELLING your e-mail address in the back
pages of USA TODAY!! 250,000 of them at a time.

They are making money off the poor suckers who SEND you the UCEs!

They get their ISP account shut down at one ISP and then reopen at
another.

We need a broader solution.

We need to pressure either the ISPs or the government to SHUT DOWN the
bulk e-mailers so that they CAN'T reappeear somewhere else.




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From: herveus@access5.digex.net (Michael and MJ Houghton)
Subject: Re: The Hooligan Approach Was: Stopping Boursy
Date: 1997/05/23
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In article <5m2krk$5mb$1@news2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>Alien (allen-1@idt.net) wrote:
[snip]
>
>You guys would be lost with Boursy and Grubor.  You guys can't make
>it through a day without attacking them and getting your jollies by
>calling them names because they openly criticize your ethical lapses.
>

*sigh* If Boursy and Grubor fell off the face of the earth today, there
would still be enough idiots to draw attention and make fun of. They 
just happen to be two of the kookier fanatics.

Besides, the net-scum I thought you were referring to were Cyberpromo and
their ilk...

Michael Houghton



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From: newbie@aol.com (Me Too)
Subject: Re: Local Newsgroup Abusers
Date: 1997/05/24
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In article <5m021s$cns$1@news2.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com says...
>
>Martin Hannigan (hannigan@shore.net) wrote:
>: 
>: Let's say someone was abusing my local newsgroups by crossposting to
>: them. Then I asked nicely for the abuse to stop. The abuser continues
>: even though these aren't distributed back to my feed. 
>: 
>: Am I wrong in cancelling his articles on my local newsgroup, even 
>: though the effect will be cancellation of the article in all
>: groups?
>
>It's ok for anyone to send forged cancel any articles for any reason.  
>After all, cancels are only advisory and you don't have to configure
>your news server to accept them.
>
>-Ric G.
>Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy
>Semper Cannabis
>

Bullshit. There is nothing advisory about cancels. When a message is
canceled, it disappears from the Net. It is not "advised", it is
canceled.

And why do you assume all the net users have a news server of their own?
In reality, 99.999999999% of net users do NOT have one.

Even if I had a news server of my own, that would not help much.
It would only stop the cancel in my own site. So, I would be the only
one who could read my message. But when I post a message,
I am not posting it to myself, I am posting it for other people.

Forged cancels are NOT OK. Canceling other peoples posts is censorship,
and censorship is a crime against humanity.

Canceling spam is a borderline case. Both spam and forged cancels are
wrong. The question is, which one is the worse crime. However, the real
spammers usually post hundreds of messages, so canceling them manually
is far too big a job.

In practice, it is usually the on-topic messages that get canceled,
and the spam is left uncanceled.

   - Me Too





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Subject: Chris Lewis and reality (was Re: Heads up!!! EMP/ECP cancelled (Anti-Spam Coalition: "Lawrence W. Kauffman"<snailmailonly@mailreply.com>) @@NCM)
Date: 1997/05/26
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Chris Lewis (clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca) wrote:
: 
: No reputable anti-spam organization would advertise themselves by spamming.

Why do you say that?  It seems like you're just playing a self-defining
tautology game.

First you say "spam is evil from Satan's darkest chambers" and then you
say "see - this person is spamming - they are evil!"  What exquisite
logic!

Next you'll be throwing "witches" in a river to see if they drown.  If
they don't drown then they're witches and they'll have to be burned alive.

: It's under autocancel.

Your ego must be surging!  Congrats on another self-defined victory!

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: robert.ribnitz@unifr.ch (Robert Ribnitz)
Subject: Spamming... another Spammer
Date: 1997/05/27
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I have found the following individual to spam my email. 

Auth sender: 20817935@usa.net
             request@thefoundering.com
headers reveal message was sent by Mailhost.thefoundering.com (197.876.92.65)
The IP is clearly not valid (fake: IP's cannot contain numbers larger than 255)

carried by: spry.com (38.11.102.59)

I wish the mail carriers would at east check the following

         - domain exists
         - IP is valid

for every message they carry

yours

R.Ribnitz



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From: ricardo@paranoia.com (Speedy G.)
Subject: Re: Official FAQ maintainer? (was Re: The Tools! We need a probe on Alltel)
Date: 1997/05/29
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Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) wrote:
: |
: |Your news server must be set up improperly or you have a restricted feed.
: |The group sci.meow is a group commonly used by individuals who act as
: |watchdogs of the self-proclaimed USENET "authorities" like Chris Lewis,
: |The Braver twins, Michael Scheidell, and Tim Skirvin.  The group
: |news.admin.net-scum is used to investigate and document abuse behavior
: |by individuals like those above.
: 
: 2 groups for which there exists no record of any successful RFD/CFV 
: process. That you support 2 groups that have never been officially created
: says much about the value of your opinions regarding Usenet.

I don't know about what you guys consider to eb "officially created"
but those groups carry a good bit of traffic on my news servers.  Maybe
I'm to blame for being a pragmatist instead of a bureaucrat.  My belief
is that if people use it then it should be supported.  You don't just
take things away or add them if they comply to some system you've
built but don't map well to a functional reality.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Answer the fucking question, fatass (Was Re: A Challenge to Stephen Boursy (was: Proof Ricardo?)
Date: 1997/05/31
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Felix (Sc@Cat.com) wrote:
:
: And why don't you answer the question Steve?
: 
: You never put up the net-scum pages like you promised.
: 
: You've ignored questions about your student loan.

I am reading this article in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  Your personal
flame war efforts are off-topic for this newsgroup.  Please desist from
further off topic messages in this newsgroup.  If you have something
constructive to discuss about stopping the net abuse problem it is
welcome.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Public Notice
Date: 1997/05/31
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Tom Betz (tbetz@panix.com) wrote:
: Quoth jthomaso@mason2.gmu.edu (John E Thomason) in <5mke0s$cq4@portal.gmu.edu>:
: |TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
: |
: |YOU DO NOT HAVE MY PERMISSION TO USE MY EMAIL ADDRESS TO SEND ME
: |UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS. 
: |
: |Sending unsolicited advertisements to my email address
: |will cause my mail filter script to process the following:
: |
: |1.  EXECUTE NSLOOKUP/DIG/WHOIS AS REQUIRED ON YOUR IP ADDRESS/HOST NAME.
: |2.  PARSE YOUR ADVERTISEMENT THROUGH TEXT-TO-SPEECH AND TEXT-TO-TIFF
: |    CONVERTERS.
: |3.  FEED AUDIO FILES TO VOICE NUMBERS LISTED BY INTERNIC.
: |4.  FEED TIFF FILES TO FAX NUMBERS LISTED BY INTERNIC. 
: |5.  ADD REMINDER THAT I DON'T WANT UNSOLICITED EMAIL ADVERTISEMENTS.
: 
: Cool!

ME TOO!!!!!!!

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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Subject: Re: Answer the fucking question, fatass (Was Re: A Challenge to Stephen Boursy (was: Proof Ricardo?)
Date: 1997/05/31
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Bring Me The Head Of Sanford Wallace (capella@primenet.com) wrote:
: 
: Animal Rights Activists and the Elders of Zion forced Ricardo Hector
: Gonzales to say:
: 
: # I am reading this article in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  Your personal
: # flame war efforts are off-topic for this newsgroup.  Please desist from
: 
: It's not a personal flame war effort.  It's an attempt to get Stephen
: Boursy to answer questions that the public has asked and that he has
: refused to answer because the answers to those questions would prove that
: his credibility is, well, zero.

So if Mr. Boursy gives you the answer, how does that apply to any
news administration net abuse issue?  Your thoughts about Mr. Boursy
are simply not on topic for this group.

: # further off topic messages in this newsgroup.  If you have something
: # constructive to discuss about stopping the net abuse problem it is
: # welcome.
: 
: You are not the moderator, Ric.  nanam is not a moderated group.  Ergo,
: your words are meaningless except to the rest of the Kook Kabal.

You seem to be saying that off-topic posts are permissible and welcome
in any group that does not have a moderator.  Is that correct?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: news.groups Charter  Was: Wh: What is thisabout??
Date: 1997/06/01
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[newsgroups de-Ratcliffed]
Dave Ratcliffe (dave@frackit.com) spewed:
: -
: -   Why would I assist you with that?  
: 
: Uhm... to demonstrate that you're telling the truth for once? As it stands
: now we're all pretty sure you're lying through your teeth.

Dave, why don't you scan your penis and post the picture along with
your birth certificate, checking accounts, and credit card numbers so 
you can demonstrate that you're a real person and not just some bot put
together by some bad AI flunkies.  Who is your rabbi?

: -You might check with the
: -FTC though (Federal Trade Commission)--much thicker file.
: 
: You keep making the claims Stephe, why should other people prove that
: they're true _for_ you?  

He's not asking other people to prove anything.  He's suggesting that 
people can check with the thicker file held by the FTC if they're 
interested in the topic.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Answer the fucking question, fatass (Was Re: A Challenge to Stephen Boursy (was: Proof Ricardo?)
Date: 1997/06/01
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: # : It's not a personal flame war effort.  It's an attempt to get Stephen
: # : Boursy to answer questions that the public has asked and that he has
: # : refused to answer because the answers to those questions would prove that
: # : his credibility is, well, zero.
: 
: # So if Mr. Boursy gives you the answer, how does that apply to any
: # news administration net abuse issue?  Your thoughts about Mr. Boursy
: # are simply not on topic for this group.
: 
: They are not my thoughts about the 'Bump, they are facts.  The fact is
: that Stephen Boursy refuses to answer any question that calls his
: credibility into question.

No - you are trying to make it personal.  My. Boursy is not your "boy"
and has no duty to serve you.  You seem to think that he does.

At any rate, your line of pursuit is inappropriate and off topic for
this newsgroup.

: # : You are not the moderator, Ric.  nanam is not a moderated group.  Ergo,
: # : your words are meaningless except to the rest of the Kook Kabal.
: 
: # You seem to be saying that off-topic posts are permissible and welcome
: # in any group that does not have a moderator.  Is that correct?
: 
: What authority do you have to decide which posts are on-topic and which
: are off-topic?  What criteria do you use?  I did not see that the post you
: responded to before my response was off-topic.

If your post is not about news administration net abuse issues then it
is off topic for that hierarchy.  You don't need authority to see that
people trying to initiate a flame war against My. Boursy are creating
off topic messages.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Answer the fucking question, fatass (Was Re: A Challenge to Stephen Boursy (was: Proof Ricardo?)
Date: 1997/06/01
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Peter da Silva (peter@nmti.com) wrote:
: In article <5mnsep$2i0$1@news2.digex.net>,
: Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
: > I am reading this article in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  Your personal
: > flame war efforts are off-topic for this newsgroup.  Please desist from
: > further off topic messages in this newsgroup.  If you have something
: > constructive to discuss about stopping the net abuse problem it is
: > welcome.
: 
: I am reading this article in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  Your personal
: flame war efforts are off-topic for this newsgroup.  Please desist from
: further off topic messages in this newsgroup.  If you have something
: constructive to discuss about stopping the net abuse problem it is
: welcome.

I am reading this article in news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  Your personal
flame war efforts are off-topic for this newsgroups.  Please desist from
further off topic messages in this newsgroup.  If you have something
constructuve to discuss about stopping the net abuse problem it is
welcome.

: Or, in other words, if you had the honor of a shark you'd have emailed that
: instead of bothering the group with it.
: 
: Posting a message only of interest to a single person, instead of mailing
: it, is net-abuse itself.

Actually it's of interest to most people who post in this newsgroup.
Most of you people come here to misinterpret what others say so you
can post crude flames about your "enemies" - the "kooks" who hold 
different opinions than you.  Why won't you discuss news administration
net abuse issues instead?

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy



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Subject: Re: Netscum Camille Klein Won't Answer Questions (was: Re: Answer the fucking question, fatass)
Date: 1997/06/02
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Phoenix (macabrus@aol.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.com) wrote:
: In article <5mrujc$1ce@drn.zippo.com>, a yellow coward imposter whined:
: 
: > In article <5mr8jd$ivd@nntp02.primenet.com>, a JAP says...
: > >
: > >Animal Rights Activists and the Elders of Zion forced Ricardo Hector
: > >Gonzales to say:
: > >
: > ># : It's not a personal flame war effort.  It's an attempt to get Stephen
: > ># : Boursy to answer questions that the public has asked and that he has
: > ># : refused to answer because the answers to those questions would prove that
: > ># : his credibility is, well, zero.
: > >
: > ># So if Mr. Boursy gives you the answer, how does that apply to any
: > ># news administration net abuse issue?  Your thoughts about Mr. Boursy
: > ># are simply not on topic for this group.
: > >
: > >They are not my thoughts about the 'Bump, they are facts.  The fact is
: > 
: > Facts?  Where is the proof?
: > 
: Seeing a member of the Kook Kabal say this is mildly amusing.

There is no "Kook Kabal"

If you are claiming facts then post them.  Otherwise your personal attacks
and childish flames aren't useful for anything except wasting bandwidth.

-Ric G.
Official FAQ Maintainer - news.admin hierarchy




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[ newsgroups deboursified ]

In alt.fan.speedbump Ricardo <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:

: There is no "Kook Kabal"

Opinions vary.

: If you are claiming facts then post them.  Otherwise your personal 
: attacks and childish flames aren't useful for anything except wasting 
: bandwidth.

Why is it that you never raise this question to your KooK friends that 
utilize these tactics as their SOP?

You're as much of a hypocrite as Boursy.

-- 
 slamon@shore.net	     "They that can give up essential liberty to 
			      obtain a little temporary safety deserve 
			      neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin



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From: pro@walt-disney.com (Joakim Nilsson)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/10
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In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com 
says...
> 
> On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> >
> >
> >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> >> 
> >> >me too
> >> >djntril@primenet.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> >> >
> >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com



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From: doug <doug@popmail.vivanet.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/10
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Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> =

> In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com=

> says...
> >
> > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > >Me@home.com =A6=B8=BCg=A4J=A8=EC=A5D=C3D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netr=
o.com.au>...
> > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wr=
ote:
> > >>
> > >> >me too
> > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > >> >
> > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >>
> > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> >
> > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>=
,
> > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too doug@vivanet.com



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/10
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X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Mar 11  1:11:54 AM CST 1997
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doug wrote:
> 
> Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> >
> > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >me too
> > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > > >> >>> >>
> > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >>
> > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >>
> > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me too doug@vivanet.com
Me too! KKCS@IX.NETCOM.COM



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From: postmaster@127.0.0.1 (B r a d   C u p p y)
Subject: Porn SPAM
Date: 1997/03/11
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Received this SPAM from std.com advertising porn. One problem, How
in the ^&*  do I get my name off these stupid SPAM list. Be kinda'
nice to have my e-mail box  be where I don't get so much garbage. I
basically had my e-mail address removed from my web pages and
supposedly "spam proof" my news postings.

I've gotten nasty messages that we on the internet must accept and
like this junk but I am fed up with this attitude ! I from the "old
school" that my e-mail like my phone is there for my convience, not
for someone to use to peddle there unwanted garbage !

Software Tool & Die (STD-DOM)
   1330 Beacon Street
   Brookline, MA 02146

   Domain Name: STD.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Shein, Barry  (BS25)  netadmin@WORLD.STD.COM
      617-739-0202

   Record last updated on 03-Nov-94.
   Record created on 14-Jun-89.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   WORLD.STD.COM                192.74.137.5
   NS.UU.NET                    137.39.1.3




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Hi,

If you haven't seen our page lately you will love the new services we
are offering!!

To Check it out type the following address in your web browser:

     http://www.seductress.com

Love,

Amy and Erin


WARNING!!!:
You must be 21 to enter the commercial site referenced in this
message.
This message is directed to interested consumers so they will know of
the 
availability of this site to paying adult customers.  We would like
to improve our communications with your help.  If you do not wish, for
any
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        Brad
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From: Scott Sanbeg <ssanbeg@interglobe.com>
Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
Date: 1997/03/11
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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.spam,alt.stop.spamming,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin,news.admin.net-abuse


Sam Woodgeard wrote:
> 
> It is only right that the Internet be a place of free speech
> but many of us do not want to read the never ending post
> of people in sales or money making schemes.
>...                                 ***
> Every one who gets this sales stuff and doesn't want it
> should relay this letter to every one who sends sales stuff.
> After a few months, the sales people will get the information
> and if they don't put the $$$ in the left of their subject areas,
> you can all join together and paste them with gobs of your
> own junk mail.

Sure.  Have you noticed how television has become one
info-mercial after another?  I have the option of calling
the cable services provider and telling them what I think,
and THEN telling them I no longer want their services.

The Net used to be a place for --> discussion <-- forums,
not some constant barrage of info-mercials, and, where
most, I might add, are from some freak who would like to
sell the wheel all over again to you. Beyond that I
highly doubt that an ad for a greEAATT price on Baby
Wipes is even remotely related to comp.unix.wizards.

The one additional point that you have not touched upon,
Sam, is that these spammers consume network bandwidth  -
they do it in the form of email to an account, AND they
do it in the form of one spam article being crossposted
to 99 newsgroups. If I am an ISP, then I will watch my
T's or OC-3 or whathaveyou climb beyond 60% utilization.
When that happens then I have to buy another circuit
from, who, but US West or Sprint or MCI or whomever.  Well,
I don't want to do that.  And that is my form of free
speech.  If I must do that then I will increase the
costs (as an ISP) to MY customers, who will utilize
THEIR free speech just as I can to the cable television
provider described above.  And if I, as an ISP, cannot
justify lowering my costs, then MY customers will
go away.  Then I, as an ISP, may watch my business turn
into a failure.

It seems quite amazing to me that administrators even
allow spam accounts to be set up on their hosts - only
because they make profits from these types of accounts as
if nothing matters anymore except MONEY.  And it seems
equally amazing to me that ISPs around the world have
so little clue about how to handle the MILLIONS of
complaints from normal users about these spammers.

I have a solution - duh.  Those who control routers
block ALL data packets coming from either a directly
connected spamming site or coming from the ISP's site
which provides access to the spamming site.  A fragmented
Internet, it seems to me, is much more useful and less
costly than what we have today.  Realistically? I use
to sit on the Net 12 hours a day or more, because I
could get a LOT of work done, back in those days.  Today,
I don't even have a computer at home.  Much like watching
FAR LESS television than before because of the negative
messaging and other nonsense on it, today, I'd rather
be out riding my motorcycle or reading a book than to
have to flip through the barrage of crap on the Net.
And I am not the only one. 

Stepping off the soap-box,
Scott
-- 
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interGlobe Networks, Inc.           OFFICE: 206.623.2222
1520 Fourth Avenue, Suite 200       FAX: 206.623.0885
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Subject: Re: Porn SPAM
Date: 1997/03/11
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B r a d C u p p y wrote:
> 
> Received this SPAM from std.com advertising porn. One problem, How
> in the ^&*  do I get my name off these stupid SPAM list. Be kinda'
> nice to have my e-mail box  be where I don't get so much garbage. I
> basically had my e-mail address removed from my web pages and
> supposedly "spam proof" my news postings.
 
 <std.com info deleted>


> 
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> Subject: hi <]:-D
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> X-UIDL: 15f2df604e14517880a0de1c4e6a8919

	<porn ad celeted>


The "seductress.com" and "superhoneys.com" and a plethora of other
similar porn sites are, in fact, domains that have been allotted their
netblocks by Sprintlink.  These messages are relayed through Nancynet
aka Sallynet, Ponypress, and in your case ASTROBIZ.COM.  Sprintlink also
provides this domain (nancynet) with its netblock.

They've accumulated a distribution list for quite sometime, so many of
their addresses are quite old.  They may have culled your address from
your first non-spamproof newsgroup post or news test that you ever made,
or they may have taken it from your webpage a long time ago.

To complain to Sprintlink Security phone 1-800-669-8303 and asked to be
transferred to security (they've just moved their offices, so it may be
a little confusing and you may be put on hold for a bit, but hey, it's
their phonebill).  I don't know if this will work outside of the USA.

Below are is the InterNIC database info about the spammers, but if you
complain to them, they will ignore you and they will NOT remove your
name from their list, and they may just take the e-mail address off your
message to add to their mailing list, so be warned.  

> I've gotten nasty messages that we on the internet must accept and
> like this junk but I am fed up with this attitude ! I from the "old
> school" that my e-mail like my phone is there for my convience, not
> for someone to use to peddle there unwanted garbage !
> 

In the United States such unsolicited commercial e-mail violates the
Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 and Collateral Code of
Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200).  They ARE breaking the law.  In
addition, the relayed messages also constitute harassment and the
offending sites can be prosecuted on that basis in court.

There is not much more that can be done in the short term,
unfortunately.  They are very sneaky.

On Line Services (SUPERHONEYS-DOM)
   2054  E. Desert Inn rd.
   Las Vegas, NV 89109

   Domain Name: SUPERHONEYS.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Wilgar, David  (DW3212)  dave@MAIL.SUPERHONEYS.COM
      702-737-7550
   Billing Contact:
      Wilgar, David  (DW3212)  dave@MAIL.SUPERHONEYS.COM
      702-737-7550

   Record last updated on 27-Feb-97.
   Record created on 18-Jan-97.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.SUPERHONEYS.COM          208.1.232.81
   NS2.SUPERHONEYS.COM          208.1.232.82

Online Services, Inc (SEDUCTRESS2-DOM)
   2054 E Desert Inn Rd.
   Las Vegas, NV 89109

   Domain Name: SEDUCTRESS.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129
   Billing Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129

   Record last updated on 24-Jan-97.
   Record created on 02-Nov-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.SEDUCTRESS.COM           208.1.232.133
   NS2.SEDUCTRESS.COM           208.1.232.183

Online Services (RASHA-DOM)
   2054 E. Desert Inn  Suite A
   Las Vegas, NV 89109

   Domain Name: RASHA.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Lundien, Robert  (RL2393)  murdock@SUPERHONEYS.COM
      702-737-7333
   Billing Contact:
      Lundien, Robert  (RL2393)  murdock@SUPERHONEYS.COM
      702-737-7333

   Record last updated on 31-Jan-97.
   Record created on 11-Dec-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.RASHA.COM                208.1.232.83
   NS2.RASHA.COM                208.1.232.84

Online Services (BABVIEW-DOM)
   2054 East Desert Inn Road Suite D
   Las Vegas, Nevada 89109
   US

   Domain Name: BABEVIEW.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Tajalle, Joe  (JT1907)  joe@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      King, Randall  (RK1482)  ranman@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028
   Billing Contact:
      Tajalle, Joe  (JT1907)  joe@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028

   Record last updated on 24-Oct-96.
   Record created on 10-Jun-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.BABEVIEW.COM             206.149.148.51
   NS2.BABEVIEW.COM             206.149.148.80

Joe's Emporium (SWEETIES-DOM)
   4682 Madera Way
   Las Vegas, NV 89121

   Domain Name: SWEETIES.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Giti, Joe  (JG2593)  joe@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      King, James  (JK2315)  ranman@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028
   Billing Contact:
      Giti, Joe  (JG2593)  joe@BABEVIEW.COM
      702.733.1028 (FAX) 702.733.1028

   Record last updated on 31-Jan-97.
   Record created on 23-Sep-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.SWEETIES.COM             208.1.232.77
   NS2.SWEETIES.COM             208.1.232.78

Online Services, Inc (HONEYS2-DOM)
   2054 E Desert Inn Rd.
   Las Vegas, NV 89109

   Domain Name: HONEYS.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129
   Billing Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129

   Record last updated on 10-Feb-97.
   Record created on 31-Oct-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.HONEYS.COM               208.1.232.75
   NS2.HONEYS.COM               208.1.232.76

The Projects (DAVENDA-DOM)
   4506 Hayes Place
   Las Vegas, NV 89117

   Domain Name: DAVENDA.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129
   Billing Contact:
      Pulliam, Don  (DP1943)  don@SWEETIES.COM
      702.737.7212 (FAX) 702.737.7129

   Record last updated on 24-Jan-97.
   Record created on 02-Dec-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.DAVENDA.COM              206.149.148.134
   NS2.DAVENDA.COM              206.149.148.156

Nancy's Network Name Services (NANCYNET-DOM)
   2735 Greenwich St
   San Francisco, CA 94123
   US

   Domain Name: NANCYNET.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Solomon, Luke  (LS1760)  ceo@NANCYNET.COM
      415-440-2987
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Gladys Crocker  (GC29-ORG)  gladys@NANCYNET.COM
      415-440-2987

   Record last updated on 04-Jan-97.
   Record created on 23-Nov-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.3
   NS2.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.67

Sally's Network Services (SALLYNET2-DOM)
   2735 Greenwich St
   San Francisco, CA 94123
   US

   Domain Name: SALLYNET.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Mabel Crocker  (MC76-ORG)  mabel@SALLYNET.COM
      415-440-2987
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Gladys Crocker  (GC29-ORG)  gladys@NANCYNET.COM
      415-440-2987

   Record last updated on 04-Jan-97.
   Record created on 26-Nov-96.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.3
   NS2.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.67

 
Global Tech 2000 (ASTROBIZ-DOM)
   PO Box 173127
   Arlington, TX 76003
   US

   Domain Name: ASTROBIZ.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Canady, Glenn  (GC1473)  canady@GLOBALTECH2000.COM
      (817)557-4139
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Gladys Crocker  (GC29-ORG)  gladys@NANCYNET.COM
      415-440-2987
   Billing Contact:
      Canady, Glenn  (GC1473)  canady@GLOBALTECH2000.COM
      (817)557-4139

   Record last updated on 14-Feb-97.
   Record created on 15-Jan-97.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.3
   NS2.NANCYNET.COM             208.1.117.67



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From: Scott Sanbeg <ssanbeg@interglobe.com>
Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
Date: 1997/03/12
Message-ID: <3326EED1.58B5@interglobe.com>#1/1
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References: <5flpok$i7d@nnrp1.digex.net> <331F91C5.5CF7@eden.com> <5fp98t$ci3@web.nmti.com> <33206354.2012@no-uceconcentric.spamnet> <5fpqb6$7bi@web.nmti.com> <01bc2b35$406d57a0$469fe6ce@buds> <33259E6E.17FA@interglobe.com>
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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.spam,alt.stop.spamming,news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin,news.admin.net-abuse,alt.business.insurance


Geez Bill - I would of thought that someone posting "offers" of
work for services in alt.business.insurance would have had just 
a BIT more on the ball than that of an idiot. (Hmmm, well, anyway...)
My original posting quoted below clearly suggests that your kind
of email is unwanted. I added alt.business.insurance to the
newsgroups above to make certain that you might get the picture
one way or another. And, BTW, I'm not at all interested.
Scott
--
Scott Sanbeg                       INTERNET: ssanbeg@interglobe.com
InterGlobe Networks, Inc.          OFFICE: 206.623.2222
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Hi Scott,
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 From: Scott Sanbeg <ssanbeg@interglobe.com>
 Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc; news.admin.misc;
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet; alt.spam; alt.stop.spamming;
news.admin.net-abuse.email; news.admin; news.admin.net-abuse
 Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
 Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 10:03 AM
 
 Sam Woodgeard wrote:
 >...
 Scott Sanbeg wrote:
 Sure.  Have you noticed how television has become one
 info-mercial after another?  I have the option of calling
 the cable services provider and telling them what I think,
 and THEN telling them I no longer want their services.
 
 The Net used to be a place for --> discussion <-- forums,
 not some constant barrage of info-mercials, and, where
 most, I might add, are from some freak who would like to
 sell the wheel all over again to you. Beyond that I
 highly doubt that an ad for a greEAATT price on Baby
 Wipes is even remotely related to comp.unix.wizards.
 
 The one additional point that you have not touched upon,
 Sam, is that these spammers consume network bandwidth  -
 they do it in the form of email to an account, AND they
 do it in the form of one spam article being crossposted
 to 99 newsgroups. If I am an ISP, then I will watch my
 T's or OC-3 or whathaveyou climb beyond 60% utilization.
 When that happens then I have to buy another circuit
 from, who, but US West or Sprint or MCI or whomever.  Well,
 I don't want to do that.  And that is my form of free
 speech.  If I must do that then I will increase the
 costs (as an ISP) to MY customers, who will utilize
 THEIR free speech just as I can to the cable television
 provider described above.  And if I, as an ISP, cannot
 justify lowering my costs, then MY customers will
 go away.  Then I, as an ISP, may watch my business turn
 into a failure.
 
 It seems quite amazing to me that administrators even
 allow spam accounts to be set up on their hosts - only
 because they make profits from these types of accounts as
 if nothing matters anymore except MONEY.  And it seems
 equally amazing to me that ISPs around the world have
 so little clue about how to handle the MILLIONS of
 complaints from normal users about these spammers.
 
 I have a solution - duh.  Those who control routers
 block ALL data packets coming from either a directly
 connected spamming site or coming from the ISP's site
 which provides access to the spamming site.  A fragmented
 Internet, it seems to me, is much more useful and less
 costly than what we have today.  Realistically? I use
 to sit on the Net 12 hours a day or more, because I
 could get a LOT of work done, back in those days.  Today,
 I don't even have a computer at home.  Much like watching
 FAR LESS television than before because of the negative
 messaging and other nonsense on it, today, I'd rather
 be out riding my motorcycle or reading a book than to
 have to flip through the barrage of crap on the Net.
 And I am not the only one. 
 
 Stepping off the soap-box,
 Scott
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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/12
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TerraNova wrote:
> 
> doug wrote:
> >
> > Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> > > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >me too
> > > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Me too doug@vivanet.com
> Me too! KKCS@IX.NETCOM.COM
>> Me too ru69@hotmail.com   Thanks



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/13
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JOWazzoo (CDL@NO-UCEconcentric.SPAMnet) wrote:
: 
: 1 - There is _NO_ cabal (tm,sm,r,(c)) - OKAY!!!!!!!

What do you call the people who demand control of USENET to the extent
that this goal is possible?  What do you call the group of people who 
decide what posts are ok and which should be forged cancelled, what 
groups should be created (they call their opinions "official" and when
they run a corrupt voting scheme it's still "official")?  What do you
call the group of people who moderate all moderated news.admin groups?

It's a lot more than massive inbreeding.

: 2 - This not an/the official FAQ - it is ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo
: Hector Gonzales) FAQ.

There is no news.admin FAQ that is more official than mine.

: 3 - Go to Dejanews and read all of the threads that have been posted in
: response to this frequently posted     "FAQ" (FPFAQ)

Just because certain controllers might whine and complain that someone
is expressing ideas they don't like means nothing more than that they don't
like the ideas. 

: 4 - go back to 1 and read all
 
What a silly game of control you have bought into.  What a complete
corruption of the original Internet spirit where everyone got along,
where people worked together, and where censorship was opposed.

-Speedy G.



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From: ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/13
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Richard Y. Knight (rknight@eden.com) wrote:
: 	Secondly, your use of "...deliberate and malicious fraud.".  Well, yes,
: fraud is always deliberate, but what is the context?  When you cry
: "fraud!", please 
: 	1)  Explain the deception.  So far, I have facts as Ricardo 	Hector
: Gonzales communicates them, I need similiar facts from 	you to make an
: informed decision.  Preferably, use logic.  I do 	account for emotions
: such as "It's just bad.", but I give a 	greater weight to logical
: facts.  

The ideas are different than those of the small klan that would like to
control USENET and the news.admin hierarchy.

: 	2)  What is the objective?  To gain power?  Or to destroy the 	ruling
: "cabal"?  One is fraud, the other rebellion.  

Ricardo's objective is to keep USENET free from censorship and free from 
control by any group of people.  It runs best on its own, without net.scum 
like Lewis, Skirvin, and others trying to micromanage it.

: 	3)  How is this unfair or unlawful?  What are the laws?  

Those who want control say that any ideas that oppose their control
are "unfair" or "harmful".  Those on Ricardo's side just want to be
able to have a censor-free net.

: 	If there are no laws, how is it not just?  Or how is it biased?
: Is it unethical?  Why?  What are the ethics in this 	circumstance?  

It unethical and unfair because it is opposed to the efforts of the
klan who wants to control USENET.  They control all moderated news.admin
groups, they rig all USENET votes, they control which groups are 
considered "recognized" or not, and they send forged cancellations for
articles that they don't like.

Those who control are also opposed to those who want no one to control.  
If you want a sterile, censored, and manipulated USENET then you will oppose 
Ricardo's FAQ and support the klan of Lewis, Skirvin, and the rest of
the net.scum bunch who want control.

-R. Goldstein
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From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/13
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In article <5g7u5t$gvu@nnrp1.digex.net>, ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
|> JOWazzoo (CDL@NO-UCEconcentric.SPAMnet) wrote:
|> : 
|> : 1 - There is _NO_ cabal (tm,sm,r,(c)) - OKAY!!!!!!!
|> 
|> What do you call the people who demand control of USENET to the extent
|> that this goal is possible?  

I call them the owners and administrators of the machines USENET runs on.

|>                               What do you call the group of people who 
|> decide what posts are ok and which should be forged cancelled, what 
|> groups should be created (they call their opinions "official" and when
|> they run a corrupt voting scheme it's still "official")?  

And I call this paranoia.  So tell me, what do you call a government that
is run by people who were put into office by a corrupt voting scheme??

|>                                                           What do you
|> call the group of people who moderate all moderated news.admin groups?

I call them moderators.  And they have been around as long as USENET has
and they haven't resulted in "the death of USENET as we know it" (tm) yet.

|> 
|> It's a lot more than massive inbreeding.
|> 
|> : 2 - This not an/the official FAQ - it is ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo
|> : Hector Gonzales) FAQ.
|> 
|> There is no news.admin FAQ that is more official than mine.

Maybe, but I hardly think your concept of how you would like USENET to look
qualifies as an FAQ.

|> 
|> : 3 - Go to Dejanews and read all of the threads that have been posted in
|> : response to this frequently posted     "FAQ" (FPFAQ)
|> 
|> Just because certain controllers might whine and complain that someone
|> is expressing ideas they don't like means nothing more than that they don't
|> like the ideas. 

There's that paranoia again.  The only controlers are the owners of the
machines that comprise USENET and like it or not, they have the ultimate
say in what their machines are used for.  If you disagree, you are free
to round up all the machine owners you can find who are willing to turn
control of their machines over to you and set up your own version of 
USENET.  But no matter how much you whine and cry, there is no requirement
for the current set of machines that comprise USENET to bend to your will.
USENET has worked just fine since long begore you came on the scene and I
am certain it will continue long after you are gone.

|> 
|> : 4 - go back to 1 and read all
|>  
|> What a silly game of control you have bought into.  What a complete
|> corruption of the original Internet spirit where everyone got along,
|> where people worked together, and where censorship was opposed.

So I guess it is really all about control.  But the control freak seems to
be you as you have this strange desire to dictate to machine owners all over
the world how they should run their machines.  If I were you, I wouldn't hold
mt breath waiting for it to happen.

The only corruption seems to be by you as well.  USENET seems to have done
pretty well running the way it has for all these years.  And now you want to
come in and change it!!  You don't have a clue what the "original INTERNET
spirit" was.  You only have this warped desire to dictate to USENET how it
should be run.  Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen.


bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.uofs.edu         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   



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From: dbromage@metz.une.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/13
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@primus.paranoia.com) wrote:
>JOWazzoo (CDL@NO-UCEconcentric.SPAMnet) wrote:
>: 
>: 1 - There is _NO_ cabal (tm,sm,r,(c)) - OKAY!!!!!!!
>
>What do you call the people who demand control of USENET to the extent
>that this goal is possible?

We call them Grubor and Boursy.

HTH.

Cheers
David



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In article <5g7u5t$gvu@nnrp1.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@primus.paranoia.com> wrote:
>What do you call the group of people who 
>decide what posts are ok and which should be forged cancelled,

The owners, or employees thereof, of some the machines you like
enjoying the free access to, and use of, to transmit your speech, an
access which is granted -- without request of pecuniary reimbursement --
provided you stick to a set of rules.

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Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/14
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ricardo@primus.paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) wrote:

>What do you call the people who demand control of USENET to the extent
>that this goal is possible?

I dunno... owners?

>What a silly game of control you have bought into.  What a complete
>corruption of the original Internet spirit where everyone got along,
>where people worked together, and where censorship was opposed.

Really now? Can you point me in the direction of the documents that support
this claim about "the original Internet spirit?"

No, really... I always hear this warm-fuzzy mantra about what the Net was
supposed to be, but nobody ever supports the claim.




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From: Scott Sanbeg <ssanbeg@interglobe.com>
Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
Date: 1997/03/14
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Scott Sanbeg wrote:
> It seems quite amazing to me that administrators even
> allow spam accounts to be set up on their hosts - only

And then there is good news...

Southwestern Bell Internet Services (who should be
mentioned for this) shot back an email in re: one of
my spammer complaints, to me this morning, saying that
they closed the account of the spammer because of
numerous complaints...

I love it when that happens.
-- 
Scott Sanbeg                       INTERNET: ssanbeg@interglobe.com
InterGlobe Networks, Inc.          OFFICE: 206.623.2222
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In article <33298309.7A90@interglobe.com>, ssanbeg@interglobe.com wrote:

>Scott Sanbeg wrote:
>> It seems quite amazing to me that administrators even
>> allow spam accounts to be set up on their hosts - only
>
>And then there is good news...
>
>Southwestern Bell Internet Services (who should be
>mentioned for this) shot back an email in re: one of
>my spammer complaints, to me this morning, saying that
>they closed the account of the spammer because of
>numerous complaints...
>
>I love it when that happens.

I got the same message in response to a complaint. Very satisfying...

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From: magold@gte.net (Turiyan gold)
Subject: Re: Death to UCE!
Date: 1997/03/15
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One of these messages was traced to kryten.eng.monash.edu.au 

On 10 Mar 1997 03:54:38 +0100, luvinlife@juno.com
(Here's^my^latest^scam) wrote:

>Please don't respond to this message.  It's only bait for the sp*m-bots.
>
>---
>Bogus Address -- don't bother replying
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *** This is posted via the replay mail2news gateway: ***
>     * No attempt was made to verify the sender's identity. *

Stop this guy now.


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Subject: Threats against woman by notorious troll
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 14 Mar 1997 19:33:22 -0600, S_A_G_E@hotmail.com :
"In article <5g88mh$332@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
"  elite@pantheon.yale.edu (elay) wrote:
"> As an asian american woman who has dated
"> white men before, I think that it shouldn't matter what color one's =
skin
"> is.  It matters more that the guy is treating the girl right.
"
"Please feel free to continue dating white men- just don't show up with a
"white boy in my neighborhood....I just might take actions against ya.




This user continues to post off-topic racist propaganda to the many =
newsgroups
he x-posts to. He apparently uses his hotmail account to do this, since =
he has
been kicked off many ISPS already, and is posting using Dejanews.  This =
has been
sent to both of those services.
	The group I was tring to read was soc.couples.intercultural, which is de
facto deceased, and is only x-posted to by a handful of racists who like =
to
harrass i/r couples.  I've written to their ISPs, and this harrassment =
goes on.
Can somebody do something about this????  Sage is a perfect example of
*harrassment* of this group by racial suprematists.  He is a notorious =
troll,
who is barely on the internet (thus his attempt to hide his ISP through =
dejanews
and hotmail)  due to his abusive behavior.

In *this* post, Sage THREATENS someone with physical harm.  This is =
illegal, and
liable for a lawsuit, as well.=09
Thank you

----your-ad-here@geocities.com



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In article <5g88mh$332@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
  elite@pantheon.yale.edu (elay) wrote:
>
> Asian men complain that the Asian woman aren't dating asian men.  My
> personal opinion on that is the Asian men at (my school)is too
> reserved/shy.

Are Asian men *inherently* demure and unassertive...or are their
demeanors a psycho-social consequence of the Anti-Asian male stereotypes
promolgated by the Jooish-controlled media?  Your views are very
exemplary of the ignorance that Asian American women have for the Asian
American male experience.

> As an asian american woman who has dated
> white men before, I think that it shouldn't matter what color one's =
skin
> is.  It matters more that the guy is treating the girl right.

Please feel free to continue dating white men- just don't show up with a
white boy in my neighborhood....I just might take actions against ya.

Take care,

- SAGE

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From: dim <dim@promethee.fr>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/15
Message-ID: <332AD92A.4911@promethee.fr>#1/1
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To: Joakim Nilsson <pro@walt-disney.com>
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Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> 
> In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com
> says...
> >
> > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >me too
> > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > >> >
> > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >>
> > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> >
> > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
Add me to the list please. Thanks.



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From: Reeves <reeves@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/15
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dim wrote:
> 
> Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> >
> > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >me too
> > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > > >> >>> >>
> > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >>
> > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >>
> > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> Add me to the list please. Thanks.
add me to the list as well.  Thanx



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From: "fr�d�rick LOSARDO" <fredo@mygale.org>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/17
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me to!!!

Reeves <reeves@worldnet.att.net> a �crit dans l'article
<332B311B.57E9@worldnet.att.net>...
> dim wrote:
> > 
> > Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>,
happycamper@space.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> > > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem)
wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >me too
> > > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> > > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > In article
<32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> add me to the list as well.  Thanx
> 



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From: warlord@end-war.com (Terje Dahl)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/18
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On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:


>> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>Add me to the list please. Thanks.
Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com




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From: blue@stu.com
Subject: Make money$$$$
Date: 1997/03/18
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READ THIS!!!!

When I first saw this I put it off as a scam, like everyone else.  If 
you really take the time to think about it, this system really works 
because of the increasing size of the Internet.  I cannot promise you 
that you will even get $1.  I figured what the heck, its only $10 and I 
can find out for myself whether it really works or not.  I just followed 
the instructions and am waiting to see what happens.  Look at it this 
way, it will give you something to do for the next month or so.  I don't 
know any of these people, but as long as no one cheats the system it 
will work, so why not take the chance and find out for yourself.  I 
can't promise you 50,000 dollars, let alone 2 dollars, for me personally 
I just want to see if all this crap is real or not.


READ ON FOR INSTRUCTIONS!!!

 NEW VERSION ! 1997   (Legal Questions Addressed!)



   (Excerpt From Bob Novak Who Started This New Version)


In late October of 1996, I saw an article in an Internet newsgroup 
telling me that I could make $50,000 within a month for an investment of 
only $5. I thought, "OH

YAH!! I'VE GOT A BRIDGE I'LL SELL YOU TOO!!"  It sounded like all the 
rest of the "get rich quick" schemes and scams I've seen over the past 
40 years or so. I spoke to my attorney, a few friends, and family about 
it, and they all agreed it was some kind of scam.  I can't stand scams, 
because usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me. 
After rejecting the idea at first, it kind of played on my mind and I 
thought, "what if it really worked?" I realised all I had to lose was 
$5.00, I usually blow that much on the lottery every week anyway, so I 
figured what the heck, and decided to give it a shot. Within two weeks I 
began receiving money in the mail!
Soon, hundreds, and then thousands of dollars began to roll in.  Within 
4 weeks, I had received a total of $46,812.00!
It came from everywhere in the world."  Lately, I've doubled my efforts 
and the money is rolling in even faster.  I would  tell you how much but 
then the IRS would know also, let's just say it's a VERY comfortable 
living.  Now, I am really going to work!  If I can make as much as I 
have, and still am, on a lousy $5.00 investment, why not double it and 
make the "Big Bucks" twice as fast?  Anybody can afford to gamble $10.00 
on a chance to make $100,000.00 or more in a month, especially when the 
business has already proven itself.

If you follow the three steps below, there is no reason why the same 
shouldn't happen to you!  This is a legitimate investment opportunity. 
You invest $10, and you receive a return on your investment.  So does 
the next investor.  THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL, THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER, 
THIS IS

PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE.  (See additional legal details below.)

 THE PROCEEDURE IS SIMPLE:

1) Invest your $10 by writing your name and address on five  separate 
pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING 
LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending two dollars to someone; 
you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold two $1 U.S. Treasury 
bills, money order, or bank note inside each piece of paper, and mail 
them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses:


 1.  J. Von   1437 Sacket Cir.    Orlando,Fl 32818

 2.  Christian Kurz      Hohe Schule 1    A-2122 Ulrichskirchen    
Austria

 3.  Guy Shepherd    1551 Iris Court     Hagerstown, MD 21740     USA
      
4.  B.B.  H.C Orstedsvej 20a, 1th. 1879 Copenhagen. Denmark
 
5.  Bryan Dickson     1081 Maple Drive     Hermitage, PA 16148

 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names 
up. In other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name as the fifth 
one on the list. You can do this by simply retyping the article or 
reposting it to other Newsgroups with the edited addresses.

 3) Post the article to at least 200 Newsgroups. There are 22,000, so it 
shouldn't be hard to find that many. Remember, there are no "Free 
Lunches" in this world so the harder you work the more money you will 
make. 


You are now in the mail order investment business, and should start 
seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more Newsgroups you 
post to, the greater your return will be. If you wish to remain 
anonymous, you may use a pseudonym, but make sure your address is 
correct.


 LEGAL ? ? ?

People have asked me if this is really legal.  It is! You are using the 
Internet to advertise your business.  What is that business?  You are 
assembling a mailing list of  people who are interested in home based 
computer and online businesses and methods of generating income at home.

Remember - people send you a small fee to be added to your list. It is 
legal. What will you do with your list of thousands of names?  That's up 
to you. 

NOW HERE IS WHY THE SYSTEM WORKS:

The Internet is growing at a tremendous rate - it doubles in size every 
4 months.  Think about it.  You see those "Make Money Fast" posts more 
and more.  All that growth means profits for everyone who participates. 
There are no losers.


Of every 200 posts I made, I received 5 responses. That probably doesn't 
seem like much.  You make $10 for every 200 posts with your name at #5. 


 Each person who sent you $2 now also makes 200 additional postings with 
your name at #4. i.e.. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people 
will send you $2 with your name at #4. $100.00.


Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 
postings. Average return 500 people=$1,000.00.  They make 200 postings 
each with your name at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $2 
each=$10,000. 

Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you get 
a return of $100,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THAT'S IF 
EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES

ONLY 200 POSTINGS!  Total income in one cycle = $100,000. 

>From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you 
take the latest posting that appears in the Newsgroups, and send out 
another $10, and put your name at #5, and start posting again. Remember, 
200 postings is only a guideline. The more you post, the greater the 
return.


Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $10, AND 5 STAMPS, 
AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $10 for such an effortless 
investment with such SPECTACULAR

RETURNS.

Some people have said to me, "what happens if the scheme is played out 
and no one sends me any money?" Big Deal, so you lose $10.00 but what 
are the chances of that happening?  SINCE THIS IS A BRAND NEW PROGRAM AS 
OF JANUARY

1, 1997, YOU'RE IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!


There are millions of Internet users, and millions of new net surfers 
every month. 
Remember- read the instructions carefully, and play fairly. THAT'S the 
only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this 
article easily.


Keep a list of everyone that sends you money, keep good books, pay your 
taxes, and always keep an eye on the postings to make sure everyone is 
playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then 
don't do it. But please print this article
and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and 
see what happens.


REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. WHAT ARE 10  DOLLARS TO YOU? YOU 
DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THIS IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!!! (We will monitor the 
program and if we find you have cheated by not sending your money to 
your five recipients, we will just dump you out of the system). This is 
the easiest way that you can make a buck.  Think how excited you'll be 
to open up your mailbox day after day! Will it be $50? or $5,000?  Start 
making your plans, because it can happen to you. 

DON'T PASS UP THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY!!!



------------------------------------------------------------

Extra section:

HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS FAST WITH YOUR WEB BROWSER:
The Fastest Way To Post To a Newsletter:
Simply highlight and COPY (Ctrl-C for copy) the text this e-mail message 
and PASTE it into a text editor such as Notepad and SAVE it (as a .txt 
file).

After you have made the necessary changes that are outlined above, 
Simply COPY and PASTE the text into the message section of the message 
composition window and to be posted to the Newsgroup and post it! 


------------------------------------------------------------


If you have Netscape 3.0 do EXACTLY the following: 

1) Click on any news group like normal, THEN click on 'TO NEWS', which 
is on the far left when you're in the Newsgroups page.  This will bring 
up a box to type a message in.

2) Leave the newsgroup box like it is, CHANGE the subject box to 
something flashy, like, "NEED CASH $$$  READ HERE $$$" or "FAST CASH"!!!

3) Tab once and you should be ready to type.  Now, retype (only once)

THIS whole article WORD FOR WORD, except insert your name at #5, and 
remove #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you need 
to make.  Keep almost all of it the SAME!

4) When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILE in THIS BOX, 
RIGHT ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST BOX.


Click on SAVE AS when you're under FILE.  Save your article as a text 
file to your C: or A: drive.  DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE UNTIL YOU 
DO THIS.  Once saved, move on to
number 5 below. 


NOTE: If you don't want to type in the whole article by hand, AND you 
know how to use a plain text editor (like Notepad), you can edit the 
file ahead of time, then attach it as shown in step 6.

5) If you still have all of your text, send or post to this newsgroup 
now by just clicking send, which is right below FILE, and right above 
Cc:.

6) Here's where you're going to post all 200.  OK, click on any news 
group then click on 'TO NEWS', again in the top left corner.  Leave the 
NEWSGROUPS BOX alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT 
BOX, hit TAB once you're in the body of the message. Click on 
ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX.  You will get another box 
to come up.

Click on ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file that you saved; click on the 
file, and then click 'OPEN' now click on OK; if you did this right, you 
should see your file name in the
attachments box, and it will be shaded green. 

Note: If you don't want to type in the whole article and you know how to 
use a plain text editor (Notepad), you can edit the file ahead of time, 
then attach it.


QUICK TIP!

You can post this message to many Newsgroups at a time by simply 
selecting a newsgroup near the top of the screen, hold down the SHIFT 
key, and then select a newsgroup near the bottom of the screen.  All of 
the newsgroup in-between will also be selected.


IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY...HOLDING DOWN THE LEFT MOUSE 
BUTTON, highlight this article.  then press the "crtl" key and the "c" 
key at the same time to copy this
article.  then print this article for your records, to have the names of 
those you will be sending $1 bills to.

2) Go to the news groups and press "post an article".  A window will 
open. Type in your headline in the subject area and then click in the 
large window below.  Press "crtl" and then "v" and the article will be 
placed in the window.


If you want to edit the article, do so and then highlight and copy it 
again. Now every time you post the article in a new newsgroup all you 
have to repeat is "ctrl" and "v" and press post.


3) That's it.  Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a 
different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT Newsgroups, 
or more.

You see?  Now you just have 199 to go!! (Don't worry, each one takes 
about 30 seconds, once you get used to it.)




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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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Terje Dahl wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> 
> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl



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On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:30:35 -0600, Reeves <reeves@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>dim wrote:
>> 
>> Joakim Nilsson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com
>> > says...
>> > >
>> > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
>> > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >me too
>> > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
>> > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
>> > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>> > > >> >>>
>> > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >>
>> > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >>
>> > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >> >>
>> > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >> >> >
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
>> > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
>> > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
>> > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
>> > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>> Add me to the list please. Thanks.
>add me to the list as well.  Thanx
add me too please.Thanks! ciccio@emails.com



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From: "Justin Crowley" <lettman@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/19
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Terje Dahl <warlord@end-war.com> wrote in article
<332df104.4973594@tera.jprc.com>...
> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
Me too Please: lettman@iconn.net




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From: natew@halcyon.com (Nate Waddoups)
Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
Date: 1997/03/19
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Dr. Stephen Strange <dhg2@po.cwru.SPAMBLOCKER.edu> claimed:
>In article <33298309.7A90@interglobe.com>, ssanbeg@interglobe.com wrote:
>>
>>And then there is good news...
>>
>>Southwestern Bell Internet Services (who should be
>>mentioned for this) shot back an email in re: one of
>>my spammer complaints, to me this morning, saying that
>>they closed the account of the spammer because of
>>numerous complaints...
>>
>>I love it when that happens.
>
>I got the same message in response to a complaint. Very satisfying...

Very.  Collect the whole set!  (Be the envy of your friends...) Make the
examples clear, so as to raise the general net.awareness:

http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.Termination

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Your VCR blinks "12:00" all day long?    But you're using the internet?



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From: ISP_Ratings <boursy@earthlink.net>
Subject: Fatass Hooligan    Was: ** Forged Postings **
Date: 1997/03/19
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impLAnt wrote:
> 
> Okay, "Speedbump", fine, I can dig that. But in a similar vein:
> 
> Why do they call Martin Hannigan "Fatass Hooligan"? 

  Because by Martin Hannigan's own description of himself
he is quite obese--in fact he's downright fat.  He once,
under his FireFly (the Emailing List Kings) address 
threatened to show up at my door step and essenetially
sit on me (we live in the same town--Cambridge, Ma.). 
No way can you pass him on the sidewalk. 

> Why do they call Ed Foster "Limpdick"? 

  Ed's only been with two women in his life but both
have reported this as his primary problem (and both
say they were quite drunk).

> Why do they call Dave Ratcliffe "Rat Fuck"? 

  Ratcliffe is a 'Rat' so to speak--he never offers
anything to a debate--he's good for a cheap shot--
the quick one liner with no substance.  As to the
'fuck' part I'm not sure--it's just his nickname-
I doubt he gets any.

> And why do they call Jason Durbin whenever they 
> need their assholes licked clean?

  Well--the cabal never washes themselves and
Jason enjoys doing this.  Probably his 
primary form of gratification in life.

               Steve
               news.admin.censorship
> 
> Inquiring minds, you know.
> 
> -iMp
>  news.admin.censorship

  I suspect you're not the real iMp--to few 
groups in the Newsgroups line.




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Subject: Re: knedrag.jpg
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Path: 
                 
butch!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!philabs!blanket.mitre.org!world!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.191.213.61!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.globalserve.net!usenet
             From: 
                  Wheelz <wheelz@globalserve.net>
       Newsgroups: 
                  alt.motorcycle.sportbike, rec.motorcycles.racing,
alt.motorcycles, rec.motorcycles, alt.motorcycle.sportbike
           Subject: 
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             Date: 
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Wheelz wrote:
> 
> Sparking the pegs / Doin the ramps off the 401
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]



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Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Enterprise "Server Abuse" E-Mail mini-flood
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--- On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:55:42 +0000  support@why.net wrote:
> I will foreward this message to the systems administrator to see what 
> can be done.  
> 
> David Brann
> Tech Support
> 
> 
> The following info was found on news-admin.net-abuse.misc and addresses 
> the recent flood (of many people) from the ENTERPRISE server.  Is it 
> possible for Why? to kill all e-mail coming from this pla
> e so that it doesn't SPAM your customers and doesn't was
> te e-mail space on your servers?
> 
> In Article Re: Enterprise "Server Abuse" E-Mail mini-flood , George 
> Washington Hayduke <nospam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > adavie@varney.idbsu.edu writes:
> > 
> > : I got about seven copies of the following e-mail this
> > : morning.  I have no idea what this is about, but i
> > : suspect i complained about some spam coming from these
> > : jokers.  BTW: Their "From:" address is faked too...
> > 
> > It seems to me that there can be little doubt now that enterprise.net
> > is rogue.  (If not actually run by the spammers themselves.  From the
> > garbled, juvenile writing style, the message you got comes directly
> > from them.)
> > 
> > In any case, I've seen no one here who's gotten a bona fide reply from
> > a grown-up postmaster at enterprise.net.  If they weren't rogue, they
> > would have posted here by now.
> > 
> > Enterprise.net's address block is 194.72.192 through 194.72.223.
> > AFAIC, everything from, or through, any address in that block can be
> > safely dropped on the floor from now on.
> > 
> > - Steve.
> 
> ......
> Mark Johnson: NRA Life: TSRA Annual: DoD #2021
> 
> Remove the dot to the left of the @ and the
> 'kill.spam' from the right of the @ to build a good
> reply address.  Blame spammers for this inconvenience.
> ......
> 
> 
> Joshua McNeese
> Technical Support Manager
> <jmcneese@why.net>
> 972-642-9824
> 817-795-1765
> 

---------------End of Original Message-----------------

.....
Mark Johnson: NRA Life: TSRA Annual: DoD #2021
Fort Worth, Texas

Remove the dot to the left of the @ and the
'kill.spam' from the right of the @ to build a good
reply address.  Blame spammers for this inconvenience.
.....




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From: ps666@worldnet.att.com (Peter Sebestyen)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:34:29 GMT, warlord@end-war.com (Terje Dahl)
wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
>
>Add me too <chrisgabor@hotmaill.com
>>> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>>Add me to the list please. Thanks.
>Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
>




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From: ps666@worldnet.att.com (Peter Sebestyen)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
wrote:
>Terje Dahl wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
>> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
>> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
>> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
>Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl




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From: "RCM" <rcmuk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com

Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
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> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> wrote:
> >Terje Dahl wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> 
> 



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From: "RCM" <rcmuk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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me too

Andrea Mariani <mariani.andrea@iol.it> wrote in article
<332ead8e.8663888@news.iol.it>...
> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:30:35 -0600, Reeves <reeves@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >dim wrote:
> >> 
> >> Joakim Nilsson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>,
happycamper@space.com
> >> > says...
> >> > >
> >> > > On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> >> > > >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem)
wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >me too
> >> > > >> >djntril@primenet.com
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> >> > > ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> >> > > >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> >> > > >> >>>
> >> > > >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >>
> >> > > >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >>
> >> > > >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >>
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > In article
<32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> >> > > >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> >> > > >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>>
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> >> > > >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >> > Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >add me to the list as well.  Thanx
> add me too please.Thanks! ciccio@emails.com
> 



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From: "ANDREU  COMELLAS" <andricom@maptel.es>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
<3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> wrote:
> >Terje Dahl wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> 
> Add me too please: andricom@maptel.es



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From: Vlad Tsepesh <brycep@cas.auracom.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/22
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RCM wrote:
> 
> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> 
> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > wrote:
> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> >



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From: emiel <emiel2@dds.nl>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/23
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Peter Sebestyen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> wrote:
> >Terje Dahl wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
Add me too please: emiel2@dds.nl



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From: EEFuller@asyst.net (Erik Fuller)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/25
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On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 02:06:56 +0100, pro@walt-disney.com (Joakim
Nilsson) wrote:


me too

>In article <332188ad.6789004@news.earthlink.net>, happycamper@space.com 
>says...
>> 
>> On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
>> >
>> >
>> >Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
>> >> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >me too
>> >> >djntril@primenet.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
>> >> >
>> >> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
>> ><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
>> >> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> >Elisar wrote:
>> >> >>> >> 
>> >> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> 
>> >> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
>> >> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
>> >> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
>> >> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
>> >> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> >> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
>Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com




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From: rob <robinr@icon.co.za>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/25
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In Article<33349423.259B@cas.auracom.com>, <brycep@cas.auracom.com> writes:
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> From: Vlad Tsepesh <brycep@cas.auracom.com>
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> Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800
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> 
> RCM wrote:
> > 
> > please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> > 
> > Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> > <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > > wrote:
> > > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> > > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> > >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> > >
add me please: robinr@icon.co.za




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From: Xtinct <nospam@freemark.com>
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution-
Date: 1997/03/25
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This hasn't a thing to do with Physics or Astronomy, so why are you
crossposting
this to those groups???


Chaz'@merimont.net.fr wrote:
> 
> >Starr@starlink.com writes:
> >} ...
> >} Obviously you don't get out much do you. This has been widely reported on
> >} the news NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN. They have even interviewed prominent
> >} scientist who say that based on the findings of Hubble, they now have to
> >} admit they know very little about the origins of the universe. Do you have
> >} a television? Perhaps not, as it appears you live under a
> >} rock.........sorry dude, your brain is lame!
> 
> > Scientists have always known very little about the origins of the
> > universe, but what is known about the universe and its history will
> > fill lots of books.  Adding to that knowledge increases our level
> > of understanding even if (particularly if) it forces some rethinking.
> > But that "have to admit" part is hyperbole.
> 
> >Tom Scharle (scharle.1@nd.edu) replies:
> >)
> >) It was on network television, so it must be true.
> 
> >Starr@starlink.com writes:
> >>
> >>Not only are you a complete Idiot your are a jackass as well. These programs
> >>were on PBS, Discovery, The Learning Channel as well as all the major
> >>network news!
> 
> > I think you just proved his point.  You might have cited a journal
> > commentary or review article.  Even PBS targets its writing below
> > the college grad level of knowledge of a field.
> 
> >>So what your suggesting that all these people are involved in some kind of
> >>anti-evolution/anti-cosmology conspiracy?
> 
> > Your statement above implies that the results being talked about provide
> > specific evidence for a 6000 year old earth?  I don't think so.  It is a
> 
> And you must be a mystic mindreader, because the above statement in NO WAY
> implies he was EVEN hinting at a 6000 year old earth. Perhaps you should learn
> to READ! Where DO YOU see this? Or do you just make babblings like this up as
> you go?
> 
> >>These are probably some of the most
> >>anti-religious orginazations on the face of the earth.
> 
> > You confuse organizations that are neutral regarding your religion
> > or mine with ones that actively work against all religions.
> 
> >--
> > James A. Carr   <jac@scri.fsu.edu>     |  "Whatever."
> >    http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/       |
> > Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst.  |      George Herbert Walker Bush
> > Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306    |



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jymes wrote:

  On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800, Vlad Tsepesh
  <brycep@cas.auracom.com> wrote:

  >RCM wrote:
  >>
  >> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
  >>
  >> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
  >> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
  >> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo
  <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
  >> > wrote:
  >> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
  >> > >>
  >> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr>
  wrote:
  >> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
  >> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
  >> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
  >> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
  >> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
  >> >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
  >> >Add me too please: jbordado@adi.pt

 And me:  shenbrot@elnet.msk.ru




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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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In article <01bc36ec$a0a6d0c0$010101c0@mypc.brookes.ac.uk>, 
rcmuk@hotmail.com says...
> 
> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> 
> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > wrote:
> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> 
wrote:
> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> > 
> > 
Add me please : snug@soback.kornet.nm.kr



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On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800, Vlad Tsepesh
<brycep@cas.auracom.com> wrote:

>RCM wrote:
>> 
>> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
>> 
>> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
>> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
>> > wrote:
>> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
>> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
>> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
>> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
>> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
>> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
>> >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
>> >Add me too please: jbordado@adi.pt




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> In Article<33349423.259B@cas.auracom.com>, <brycep@cas.auracom.com>
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> > From: Vlad Tsepesh <brycep@cas.auracom.com>
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> > Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
> > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800
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> > 
> > RCM wrote:
> > > 
> > > please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> > > 
> > > Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> > > <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > > > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr>
wrote:
> > > > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > > > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > > > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > > > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > > > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> > > >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> > > >
> add me please: robinr@icon.co.za
> 
> 



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From: Jon Radoff <jradoff@novalink.com>
Subject: Email-List Class Action Suit?
Date: 1997/03/27
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There is a disturbing trend amongst many of the email mass-mailers
right now:  sending e-mail out without a valid return address.  They
have the gall to include a statement such as "Reply with REMOVE as
your subject and we'll remove you..."  When you do so, your request
just bounces back because they forged an invalid originating address.

It is clear to me that altering an e-mail address for the purpose of
making it difficult or impossible to identify the send so as to benefit
the sender commercially is in bad faith and is grounds for fraud.

I am wondering what people think about the idea of filing a class-action
suit against the identifiable emailing houses that are using this
tactic?

Jon Radoff



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From: Andres Ravell Gonzalez <ravell@uxmal.itmerida.mx>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/27
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jymes wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800, Vlad Tsepesh
> <brycep@cas.auracom.com> wrote:
> 
> >RCM wrote:
> >>
> >> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> >> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> >> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> >> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> >> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> >> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> >> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> >> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> >> >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> >> >Add me too please: jbordado@adi.pt
add me too please: ravell@uxmal.itmerida.mx



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From: Chinmi NG <chinmi@angel.comcen.com.au>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/27
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add me please chinmi@angel.comcen.com.au

rob wrote:
> 
> In Article<33349423.259B@cas.auracom.com>, <brycep@cas.auracom.com> writes:
> > Path: hermes.is.co.za!iafrica.com!bowl.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!news7.pacbell.net!noc.van.hookup.net!not-for-mail
> > From: Vlad Tsepesh <brycep@cas.auracom.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.binaries.cracks,alt.binaries.games,alt.binaries.pictures.leek,alt.binaries.warez,alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc,alt.cracks,news.admin.net-abuse
> > Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
> > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800
> > Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Vancouver, BC, CANADA
> > Lines: 18
> > Message-ID: <33349423.259B@cas.auracom.com>
> > References: <01bc0adb$eb47d440$ab4592cc@none.prtc.net> <32ED9DBA.1BE1@hotmail.com> <32ed3 <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> <5dl1vn$nrp@tron.sci.fi> <32FE1C18.79E1@correo.com> <33045508.2FA8@castle.net.au> <5e3jme$r4c@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <33057D20.315A@netins.net> <5e5dva$cpf@frog
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> > Reply-To: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: pmex07.castlegar.awinc.com
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I)
> > Xref: hermes.is.co.za alt.binaries.cracks:30541 alt.binaries.games:114746 alt.binaries.pictures.leek:23744 alt.binaries.warez:28678 alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc:97536 alt.cracks:107981
> >
> > RCM wrote:
> > >
> > > please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> > >
> > > Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> > > <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > > > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr> wrote:
> > > > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > > > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > > > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > > > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > > > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> > > >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> > > >
> add me please: robinr@icon.co.za



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From: Mark <marc.andre@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/27
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me too marc.andre@videotron.ca



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From: rfg@monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)
Subject: Re: Email-List Class Action Suit?
Date: 1997/03/27
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In article <333A4633.C65@novalink.com>,
Jon Radoff  <jradoff@novalink.com> wrote:
>There is a disturbing trend amongst many of the email mass-mailers
>right now:  sending e-mail out without a valid return address.  They
>have the gall to include a statement such as "Reply with REMOVE as
>your subject and we'll remove you..."  When you do so, your request
>just bounces back because they forged an invalid originating address.
>
>It is clear to me that altering an e-mail address for the purpose of
>making it difficult or impossible to identify the send so as to benefit
>the sender commercially is in bad faith and is grounds for fraud.
>
>I am wondering what people think about the idea of filing a class-action
>suit against the identifiable emailing houses that are using this
>tactic?

Some free advice:

#1) Don't waste your time trying to put together a class action suit.
It is too much of a hassle.  Just sue them yourself and then keep all
of the money yourself.

#2) Don't sue the spammers.  They probably have few if any actual assets.
Sue their Internet service providers.  This will be more lucrative for
you.  They _definitely_ have assets, and they are not likely to be able
to just blow town in the middle of the night once they have been served
with a subpoena and/or summons.

So far, the ISPs who have been profiting from their spammer-customers have
been getting a free ride at our expense.  That ain't gonna last much longer.
The legal system has spoken (in Compuserve v. Cyberpromo).

Can you say ``liability''?
(1/2 :-)
-- 

-- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, CA -------- Infinite Monkeys & Co. ------------
---- E-mail: rfg@monkeys.com -----------------------------------------------
------ Copyright (c) 1997 by Ronald F. Guilmette; All rights reserved. -----



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From: "Tony Caterino" <ImprintGraphics@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/28
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Please add me TC Slider@aol.com

Andres Ravell Gonzalez <ravell@uxmal.itmerida.mx> wrote in article
<333AE165.192B@uxmal.itmerida.mx>...
> jymes wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:23:32 -0800, Vlad Tsepesh
> > <brycep@cas.auracom.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >RCM wrote:
> > >>
> > >> please add me rcmuk@hotmail.com
> > >>
> > >> Peter Sebestyen <ps666@worldnet.att.com> wrote in article
> > >> <3349310f.84696723@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > >> > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:49:48 +0100, Weirdo <marcoko@worldcity.nl>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >Terje Dahl wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:22 +0100, dim <dim@promethee.fr>
wrote:
> > >> > >> me too <chrisgabor@hotmail.com
> > >> > >> >> Mee To Pro@walt-disney.com
> > >> > >> >Add me to the list please. Thanks.
> > >> > >> Add me too please: warlord@2die4.com
> > >> > >Add me too please: marcoko@worldcity.nl
> > >> >Add me too please: brycep@cas.auracom.com
> > >> >Add me too please: jbordado@adi.pt
> add me too please: ravell@uxmal.itmerida.mx
> 



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From: Hellbringer@DeathsDoor.Com (David Nixon)
Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/31
Message-ID: <5aa83n$24g@syse.dce.vic.gov.au>
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On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 06:50:12 -0800, Troll Killer
<troll+killer@mailmasher.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:

I have been patiently waiting for Mr. DC.* Troll's message to appear
on any of the news servers I read from but not a peep.

Information for the reader.  Mark here is the famous DC.* troll, or
someone who has taken up his banner, but I have a deep down feeling
that this is the same person.  these are the previous aliases used in
the DC.* groups.

"Mark" (mark@worldcom.com), "Joe" (joe888@metnoc.org) and
(joe311@comnet.org) and  joe312@comnet.org (Joe) and
joe412@conmet.org (Joe) and "hasquith@dc.general" (Herbert Asquith)
and "tmonk@dc.general" (Thelonious Monk) and nobody@nowhere.com "
(nobody); "Roland Reagan" (rreagan@gnn.fr) and Joe686@aol.com and
Joe868@aol.com and Joe797@aol.com and "spooky@spooky.net"
(Howlin' Wolf) and guyzel@aol.com and "menacing-emoticon" and
"withheld" etc

If you check the headers you will notice that all of these aliased
messages are posted from the same host and to the same news server.
Coincidence?  I think not.  You will also notice that each alias
attacks, slanders, etc., the same people over and over again.  Klaatu
can testify to that, and he might still have his web page dedicated to
all the aliases of the DC.* troll mounted.  Ask him and I am sure that
he will kindly point you to it.

>>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
>><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>>This is an interesting post, but an inaccuracy here needs to be
>>corrected -- David Nixon isn't "aka" Antonia Strasburg.   She is a
>>legitimate GMU student;  he is not. 
--------------------------------------------^^^^^^^

Got any evidence of that?  Or is it a lie in hopes that no one will
question you?  Since you know all, kindly tell the viewing audience
exactly how I an affiliated, connected, or in any other way attached
to GMU.  We all sit in anticipation waiting for this display of
clairvoyance.

>More characteristic troll lunacy... now he's answering himself.  What an
>onanistic display.

Won't touch that.  Hair on the palms is bad and he is probably blind
as a mole.

>>Whichever is the case, I'm certain that root@gmu.edu would be very
>>interested in seeing copies of any messages from him showing a
>>NNTP-Posting-Host at  gmu.edu.

Send all you want to root.  After awhile he/she/it might think that
you are a flaming idiot.  Oh, ?Mark? please send root an e-mail,
please, please, please.  By doing so you would reveal who you are, and
believe it or not, that little tid bit of information would make it
self to me.  It would really spoil your game if I posted your real
e-mail address and name there at idsonline.com, now commonly found at
205.177.128.142.  Those last three numbers change due to your dynamic
connection but using whois on the first 9 reveal it to be a IDS Online
connection.  I might even go as far as to post your residential
address since you feel that doing so is ok.  I might even transgress
further and post your business address and e-mail address to every
single e-mail Spamming(tm) list I know of, but I digress, that would
be childish and I firmly believe in Karma.  You will get yours, but
not through a questionable deed on my behalf.

>>I'm also certain that he is the person who falsified several posts
>>that purported to be from me

Any evidence of that or just a guess?

I did a scrutinization of your posts.  All are coming from IDS Online
and are being posted to news2.cais.com.  None show an injection point
(falsification) or forgery beyond what you do.  Bottom line, if your
messages are being forged, which would make it a forgery of a forgery,
it is happening on your end.  In english, someone with an IDS Online
account is doing it.  Sorry, check with IDS accounts administrators
and they'll tell you that I don't have one, and for those
non-believers, neither does Antonia Strasburg.

>Well you're wrong, Joe.  He's not the one.  You owe him (and everyone, as per
>usual) an apology.  You also owe it to the larger society to get off UseNet.
>
>>Given that he knows how to falsify an entire header, including paths
>>(what a $m@rT HaCkEr1!1 )

Not quite, I wish I knew how to falsify an entire header, but I am
good at spotting inconsistencies in message headers.  Think about it,
if I did forge my entire header then almost every post I make would be
falsified, and on top of that I could flame the hell out of you
without reprisals.  Sorry, that boat don't float.  Every single one of
my posts can be verified by it's message number and posting host as
not being falsified beyond e-mail address and organization.  Log-on
records will further show that my messages do indeed belong to me.  I
am sure you have done your research and can point out where you have
found discrepancies, or have you?  I have always said that I post
evidence to substantiate my assertions.  Where is your evidence
against me?

>Well, however smart he is, he's not able to do that.  Neither are you.

Why thank you.  I am glad that someone thinks that I am smart, and in
a sense ?Mark? must think so also, or at least smart enough to be a
danger to him.

Where do I get my vast collection of knowledge about Usenet?  FAQs of
course.  Directly from the FAQ for news.admin.net-abuse.misc..

__________________________________________
     Unfortunately, the topic of Net Abuse is so vast and so
     controversial that it cannot be covered completely in one
document.
     
     Of course, that didn't stop Daniel Barrett from trying, and doing
a
     very good job. He wrote a book (published by O'Reilly Publishing)
     with the unfortunate but fitting title of Bandits on the
     Information Superhighway. More information is available at:
     
     http://www.ora.com/item/bandits.html
     
     Chris Lewis has written a draft FAQ titled Current Spam
thresholds
     and guidelines, which describes exactly what the title says. It
is
     posted weekly to news.admin.net-abuse.misc, but is not currently
     available on the web or via FTP.
     
     Gandalf (gandalf@digital.net) has written the alt.spam FAQ, or
     "Figuring out fake E-Mail & Posts," which focuses on how to track
     spam. It is available at:
     
     http://digital.net/~gandalf/spamfaq.html
     
     Another good document is Tim Skirvin's Cancel Messages FAQ, which
     is available in HTML at:
     
     http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/cancel.html
     
     or in ASCII at:
     
     http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/cancel.faq
     
     To answer all those questions about Richard Depew and others
     cancelling misplaced binary postings, Shaun Davis-Gluyas has
     compiled the Bincancel FAQ, at:
     
     http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5886/binfaq.txt
     
     For an almost totally different viewpoint, see Dave Hayes's
     long-awaited document, "An Alternative Primer on Net Abuse, Free
     Speech, and Usenet," which at first denied the existence of this
     FAQ. You can find it and some related documents at:
     
     http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet/
     
     My answer to Dave's Alternative Primer is also worth reading:
     
     http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/dave-hayes
________________________________________

And many other refferances, places, people not mentioned above.

>>
>>Obviously, he's also not above lying through his teeth, so expect this
>>post to be met with denials, false accusations, and most likely forged
>>posts as well. 

That is almost funny coming from a person hiding behind a false email
address and has shown to have repeatedly changed that forged address
to avoid killfiiles or an assumed classification of the type of posted
message just from reading your address.  For example, when I see
Klaatu  (at)Earthops(period)org I know that it will probably be an
insightful commentary on city/suburban life, and is probably worth
taking a peek.  You, on the other hand, it is assured that you are
attacking, insulting, or defaming you flavor of the week.  Last week
it was Klaatu, this week it happens to be me.  The only reason I read
your messages is to see exactly who is your target and to determine
the motive behind the attack.  I am quite aware of the motive you have
for me, maybe I should reveal it.

>You're the one who lies, of course, and you're the one who NEVER posts through
>an authentic address.   Your "big lie" technique isn't working, though, is it.
>
>
>>By the way, although Antonia Strasburg is a putz for letting this guy
>>use her school account, posting her (or anyone else's) personal
>>information is out of line.  

I don't know if I would call her a putz, but after all, I'm defending
her honor, which is more than she ever did.

The question I would raise is one of exactly how do you know that I am
using her account.  Maybe I am using my own.  Maybe, just maybe, I am
perpetuating a sick joke to get her in trouble.  She has after all,
been out of the country, on another continent for part of last
semester.  A lot of questions but no answers so far.  And far be it
from me to practice a little disinformation.  Do your research, not
everything you read is true.  For the most part I am honest, but I am
not going to give away where I work, live, or my business email
accounts, nor am I going to make it easier for you to track me down.
No, it is not impossible and I have mentioned how, so get your
thermos, reading glasses and make a trip to my high school, then cross
reference that with names of people buried in our local national
cemetery.  Gosh, do I have to do every thing for you?

Ok, let me fully paint this picture so that no one goes astray.  For
the sake of argument, lets say that I am indeed Mrs. Strasburg.  Why
would I use a different e-mail address other than my own?  Klaatu and
several other can testify that the account that my mail if forwarded
to is not an GMU account nor is it in the name of Mrs. Strasburg.  Why
would I, as accused, post to open news servers and cause their closure
when I have a regional hub (GMU) at my finger tips.  

On the flip-side.  Why would I (not Mrs. Strasburg) post to GMU's news
servers when there are many open news servers that would accommodate?
Why would I also use an email address that plops mail right on my
computer instead of a fictitious address like Mark@worldcom.com?  Why
would I reveal how to do real world foot work and investigation to
find me if I really had something to hide or was indeed Mrs.
Strasburg.

I have a novel idea, why don't you post your phone number Mark/Mr.
Concerned Netizen, and I'll give you a call and we'll discuss this.
Don't bother asking for mine, I won't give it, unlisted remember.  I
would like to keep it that way. 

>Does that constitute your apology?  It's woefully inadquate.
>
>>
>>It's too bad the immaturity of a single person forces people to waste
>>so much time on things like this.

Yes, exactly why did you lash out by posting that first message?


David Nixon

DC - If at first you don't succeed, you're doing about average.
        -- Leonard Levinson





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From: Hellbringer@DeathsDoor.Com (David Nixon)
Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/31
Message-ID: <5aa84q$24g@syse.dce.vic.gov.au>#1/1
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On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 17:34:41 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 06:50:12 -0800, Troll Killer
><troll+killer@mailmasher.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
>>><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>So get a life, loser.
>
>
>I needn't point out that this is yet another post from David Nixon.

Jumping to conclusions again.

Let's take a stroll back into your posting history, shall we?

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, you should be ashamed of yourself.  Posting
how to cancel other people's messages and telling people to feel free
and do it to others.  It is not a forgery, I, IDS Online and Stephen
(stephenh@netcom.com) checked.  The following message came from you.
I would also like to add for the reader, The following message is one
of the reasons I took the time to e-mail a formal complaint to an ISP
provider about one of their account holders.  Mark@worldcom.com
(Mark), and all his incarnations has the distinction of being the only
individual account holder that I have ever e-mailed a complaint about
due to a Usenet post, and I have only e-mailed two, yes 2, complaints
to date.  The other one was for bulk numbers of commercial Spam(tm) in
my e-mail for the same domain.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Subject:      How To Cancel Stephenh's Spammed Messages.
From:         mark@worldcom.com (Mark)
Date:         1996/11/15
Message-Id:   <56ifa8$he4@news2.cais.com>
References:   <stephenhE0Mw1o.G5G@netcom.com> <E0qDnB.6vr@gp.com>
<stephenhE0wCG2.E9L@netcom.com>
Organization: Worldcom
Reply-To:     mark@worldcom.com
Newsgroups:   dc.politics


stephenh@netcom.com (stephenh) wrote:

>The people who live in DC take and spend about 50% percent of *my* paycheck
>and use it primarily to restrict *my* inherent rights and send
>US troops to defend foreign dictatorships, big oil and get Gulf War Syndrome.
>That 50% of my paycheck makes DC - slime capital of the world - and its
>screw-the-US-Citizen politics my business, thank u very much.
>It's called freedom of speech, and in case you've never heard of it,
>you may want to get used to it.  Whatsamatta, can't take a little
>"diversity" of political opinion???

I think the above says about all that needs to be said about Stephenh
and his contempt-filled attitude towards this NG (for the record, he's
NOT from the DC metropolitan area).

If anyone else is tired of Stephenh's cross-posted spams, this is how
to cancel them.  The instructions apply to the Forte Free Agent
newsreader, but other newsreaders are the same.

1.  Go into Options - Preferences.   

2.  Change your information to stephenh@netcom.com in relevant fields.

3.   Go into Article.

4.  Choose Cancel.

5.  A "Cancel" Message will be generated.  You should include in the
body of the message your reason for cancellation.

6.  Go into Options - Preferences and reset the information to your
own.

Keep in mind that the cancellation of messages is something not to be
taken lightly.  But other regional newsgroups do routinely cancel
messages for being spammed to national groups.  For a guide as to when
other newsgroups rely on cancellation, read some of the cancel
messages in the newsgroup control.cancel.   Each message contains a
reason for the cancellation.

Until the CAIS software is installed, I think we should begin doing
this to spammed posts.  (Let's agree on some basic rules, though --
crosposting to one or two relevant newsgroups obviously isn't a spam,
while 10 newsgroups almost certainly is.  I'd put the minimum at 4.)

I think one or two people at most might object to this.  But the fact
that virtually nobody from the DC area even bothers with this
newsgroup anymore because of the vast amount of spam it contains
should speak far more loudly than the objections from one or two
people.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gotcha.  Keep it up and I am sure you won't be troubling us much more.
IDS Online is already aware of you and more complaints won't do you
any good, and no, those complaints won't come from me unless you keep
posting how to cancel other people's messages.  Be warned, be
educated, and be weary of what you post.

I am personally letting Stephen (stephenh@netcom.com) know that you
are back in town.  That should be fun for you, another person to
attack and slander, and considering the lather he got you in to cause
you to post the above message, it should be fun to watch.

Thinking about it, Troll Killer could be Stephen.


David Nixon

DC - Nobody ever forgets WHERE they buried the hatchet.




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David Nixon (Hellbringer@DeathsDoor.Com) wrote:
: On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 17:34:41 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:

: >On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 06:50:12 -0800, Troll Killer
: ><troll+killer@mailmasher.com> wrote:
: >
: >>On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:
: >>
: >>>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
: >>><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>So get a life, loser.
: >
: >
: >I needn't point out that this is yet another post from David Nixon.

: Jumping to conclusions again.

: Let's take a stroll back into your posting history, shall we?

: Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, you should be ashamed of yourself.  Posting
: how to cancel other people's messages and telling people to feel free
: and do it to others.  It is not a forgery, I, IDS Online and Stephen
: (stephenh@netcom.com) checked.  The following message came from you.
: I would also like to add for the reader, The following message is one
: of the reasons I took the time to e-mail a formal complaint to an ISP
: provider about one of their account holders.  Mark@worldcom.com
: (Mark), and all his incarnations has the distinction of being the only
: individual account holder that I have ever e-mailed a complaint about
: due to a Usenet post, and I have only e-mailed two, yes 2, complaints
: to date.  The other one was for bulk numbers of commercial Spam(tm) in
: my e-mail for the same domain.

: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


: Subject:      How To Cancel Stephenh's Spammed Messages.
: From:         mark@worldcom.com (Mark)
: Date:         1996/11/15
: Message-Id:   <56ifa8$he4@news2.cais.com>
: References:   <stephenhE0Mw1o.G5G@netcom.com> <E0qDnB.6vr@gp.com>
: <stephenhE0wCG2.E9L@netcom.com>
: Organization: Worldcom
: Reply-To:     mark@worldcom.com
: Newsgroups:   dc.politics


: stephenh@netcom.com (stephenh) wrote:

: >The people who live in DC take and spend about 50% percent of *my* paycheck
: >and use it primarily to restrict *my* inherent rights and send
: >US troops to defend foreign dictatorships, big oil and get Gulf War Syndrome.
: >That 50% of my paycheck makes DC - slime capital of the world - and its
: >screw-the-US-Citizen politics my business, thank u very much.
: >It's called freedom of speech, and in case you've never heard of it,
: >you may want to get used to it.  Whatsamatta, can't take a little
: >"diversity" of political opinion???

: I think the above says about all that needs to be said about Stephenh
: and his contempt-filled attitude towards this NG (for the record, he's
: NOT from the DC metropolitan area).

: If anyone else is tired of Stephenh's cross-posted spams, this is how
: to cancel them.  The instructions apply to the Forte Free Agent
: newsreader, but other newsreaders are the same.

: 1.  Go into Options - Preferences.   

: 2.  Change your information to stephenh@netcom.com in relevant fields.

: 3.   Go into Article.

: 4.  Choose Cancel.

: 5.  A "Cancel" Message will be generated.  You should include in the
: body of the message your reason for cancellation.

: 6.  Go into Options - Preferences and reset the information to your
: own.

: Keep in mind that the cancellation of messages is something not to be
: taken lightly.  But other regional newsgroups do routinely cancel
: messages for being spammed to national groups.  For a guide as to when
: other newsgroups rely on cancellation, read some of the cancel
: messages in the newsgroup control.cancel.   Each message contains a
: reason for the cancellation.

: Until the CAIS software is installed, I think we should begin doing
: this to spammed posts.  (Let's agree on some basic rules, though --
: crosposting to one or two relevant newsgroups obviously isn't a spam,
: while 10 newsgroups almost certainly is.  I'd put the minimum at 4.)

: I think one or two people at most might object to this.  But the fact
: that virtually nobody from the DC area even bothers with this
: newsgroup anymore because of the vast amount of spam it contains
: should speak far more loudly than the objections from one or two
: people.
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: Gotcha.  Keep it up and I am sure you won't be troubling us much more.
: IDS Online is already aware of you and more complaints won't do you
: any good, and no, those complaints won't come from me unless you keep
: posting how to cancel other people's messages.  Be warned, be
: educated, and be weary of what you post.

: I am personally letting Stephen (stephenh@netcom.com) know that you
: are back in town.  That should be fun for you, another person to
: attack and slander, and considering the lather he got you in to cause
: you to post the above message, it should be fun to watch.

: Thinking about it, Troll Killer could be Stephen.


: David Nixon

: DC - Nobody ever forgets WHERE they buried the hatchet.


	Thanks Dave.  I didn't know how to cancel news posts before 
reading this.

	I hate to step into this at all, but is this one of "those don't 
do as I do, do as I say" sort of things.

	-Paul
 



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From: ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1996/12/31
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matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil (Alex Matulich 03T1) wrote:
:
: Many of the questions addressed are NOT "frequently asked" as far as I
: can tell, so calling this a FAQ is a misnomer.

They were previously asked and since the FAQ exists to handle them now,
we can better focus on working together to stop net abuse.

: Furthermore, it doesn't even qualify as a FAQ in the traditional sense
: of imparting useful information.  It's obviously just an editorial - a
: polemic disguised as a source of information.  A true FAQ doesn't
: contain ad hominem attacks.

I wouldn't call it an ad hominem attack.  For example, if I was to
call Clinton a draft-dodger who claimed to loathe the military in
his young adulthood, would that be an ad hominem attack or an honest
summary.  Personal history can be important because it lets you 
know where someone's biases are.  Imagine someone trying to argue
against third-party cancellations with Chris Lewis, not knowing that
Lewis' big ego-pump is that he has some popularity for running a
bot (but in actuality might be adding to net abuse in several ways).

: I'm relatively new in the new.admin* area of usenet.  Who's this
: "ricardo" guy think he is?

I'm just another concerned news administrator interested in working
with others to stop net abuse.  I urge you to read this hierarchy
with a cautious eye about the effects and consequences of the actions
taken by those who claim to be the protectors of the net.  I propose
graduating to the next step of technology while they push the linear
and broken methods of the past into territory where they no longer
suffice.

-Ric
Official FAQ Maintainer



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Mark wrote:
> =

> On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
> <anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
> =

> >For those that have been slandered, bullied, intimidated, and had lies=

> >told about them in the interests of "full disclosure", "troll hunting"=
,
> >"exposing of headerforgering", etc.  The following information is the
> >confirmed account information from which David Nixon (Tanya Strasburg)=

> >is  posting from.
> >
> >Name:  Antonia F. Strasburg (a/k/a David Nixon)
> =

> This is an interesting post, but an inaccuracy here needs to be
> corrected -- David Nixon isn't "aka" Antonia Strasburg.   She is a
> legitimate GMU student;  he is not.  Instead, somehow he got her to
> let him use her account at GMU for his net access.
> =

> The significance of this is that he isn't a GMU student, and thus is
> stealing the bandwidth resources of a nonprofit institution for the
> purposes of semi-anonymously harrassing others.   The use of GMU net
> access by non-students is forbidden by GMU regulations, and the last
> time he was doing this on a regular basis (through Antonia Strasburg's
> account), GMU issued a "cease and desist" order to her, and he stopped
> for a while.
> =

> His posts are again showing a GMU posting host however, meaning that
> either Antonia Strasburg is ignoring this order, or he has found
> another GMU student to steal net access through.
> =

> Whichever is the case, I'm certain that root@gmu.edu would be very
> interested in seeing copies of any messages from him showing a
> NNTP-Posting-Host at  gmu.edu.
> =

> I'm also certain that he is the person who falsified several posts
> that purported to be from me after I left a message critical of
> Scientology.  One of the falsified messages implicitly likened the
> treatment of Scientologists in Germany to the Holocaust, which is both
> utter nonsense and 100% Scientology party line.

You are one of the most ridiculous revisionists I have ever in my life
seen, and I have seen _plenty_ of revisionist trolls.

First, insofar as I m aware, in the last year or more there have been
_NO_ posts here in favor of Scientology. None. _I_ posted a 1000-line
post _blasting_ _post_ columnist Cohen's likening of the German pressure
on $cientology to the Holocaust.

You immense troll.


> =

> Given that he knows how to falsify an entire header, including paths
> (what a $m@rT HaCkEr1!1 ) It's a good idea to be very skeptical of the
> origin of posts for a while until this situation is dealt with.  One
> semi-reliable clue is to look for atrocious spelling and grammar, two
> of his hallmarks.

You _can't_ forge the header beyond a certain point, certainly the paths
header can only be forged fully if you're trying to spoof a user at the
same machine. Once the message moves beyond a certain point, onto anothe
rhost, form that point the paths header is completely out of the ocntrol
of the headerforger.  =


> =

> Obviously, he's also not above lying through his teeth, so expect this
> post to be met with denials, false accusations, and most likely forged
> posts as well.  If anyone has any doubts as to where the facts lie,
> see whether or not GMU administrators take you seriously when you show
> them posts he's left from their resources.

So you're going to try to get other people to harass the GMU NNTP-admin
to the point where he bounces the user simply because of all of the
annoyasnces that _you_ provoke with this troll?

> =

> By the way, although Antonia Strasburg is a putz for letting this guy
> use her school account, posting her (or anyone else's) personal
> information is out of line.
> =

> It's too bad the immaturity of a single person forces people to waste
> so much time on things like this.

That's exactly what this troll is designed to do. And I note that
everything you accuse others of as a rule tends to be exactly what
you're doing. Get a goddamned life.


-- =

Be kind to your       | When the going gets weird the weird turn pro.
neighbors even though | http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/
they be transgenic    | Now. chock full of uninteresting links.
chimerae.             |-- Genesis 19:1-13 - Hebrews 13:2 -- =

------ =A9 copr 1996 TJH Internet SP all rights reserved  ------------
                                                     "Sarah Connor?"



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From: Hellbringer@DeathsDoor.Com (David Nixon)
Subject: Re: Enough is enough. Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1997/01/01
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On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:14:44 GMT, keys@mnsinc.com (Paul Speed) wrote:

  <<Big snip>>

>	Thanks Dave.  I didn't know how to cancel news posts before 
>reading this.

Knowledge is power.  Don't use it for wrongdoing.

>	I hate to step into this at all, but is this one of "those don't 
>do as I do, do as I say" sort of things.
>
>	-Paul

I have yet to issue a cancel for any message, mine or someone else's.

When it comes to canceling messages, it is OK to cancel your own, but
is not acceptable to cancel someone else's messages because that
person annoys you or you don't like their messages.  Many groups have
guidelines stipulating what is and what isn't proper to post.  For
example, it is improper to post large binaries (pictures-programs) in
rec.* groups.  There is an active cancelbot that looks for large
binaries in those groups and cancels them.  Small binaries will slip
through, but that still doesn't make it OK when the group FAQ and
charter state, "NO BINARIES."  This happened recently in R.S.A and
several people commented that it was wrong and the person apologized,
but it was all in good intention, (posting the binary), and many
people enjoyed the program.

This all boils do to the intent in which the messages are canceled.
If it is malicious, in an attempt to silence someone, then it is
wrong.  If it is because the post violates a groups FAQ, Charter or
the Moderator thinks that it is inappropriate then it is OK.  The DC.*
groups are currently unmoderated groups and have no active cancelbots
screening inappropriate messages.  See other group FAQ's to find if
canclebots are active or if the group is moderated.  Most FAQs can be
found in *.config.  The FAQ for DC.General should be found in
DC.Config. 


David Nixon

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From: Hellbringer@DeathsDoor.Com (David Nixon)
Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1997/01/01
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On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:

Your message has finally made its grand appearance.

>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>>For those that have been slandered, bullied, intimidated, and had lies
>>told about them in the interests of "full disclosure", "troll hunting",
>>"exposing of headerforgering", etc.  The following information is the
>>confirmed account information from which David Nixon (Tanya Strasburg)
>>is  posting from.
>>
>>Name:  Antonia F. Strasburg (a/k/a David Nixon)
>
>This is an interesting post, but an inaccuracy here needs to be
>corrected -- David Nixon isn't "aka" Antonia Strasburg.   She is a
>legitimate GMU student;  he is not.  Instead, somehow he got her to
>let him use her account at GMU for his net access.   

Any proof of any of that?  Could this be assumption, assertion,
disinformation?  Proof would really help your assertions, assumptions,
and hypothesis.

>The significance of this is that he isn't a GMU student, and thus is
>stealing the bandwidth resources of a nonprofit institution for the
>purposes of semi-anonymously harrassing others.   The use of GMU net
>access by non-students is forbidden by GMU regulations, and the last
>time he was doing this on a regular basis (through Antonia Strasburg's
>account), GMU issued a "cease and desist" order to her, and he stopped
>for a while.

Maybe I am a mean old professor that has nothing better to do.  Maybe
I am a student.  Maybe I work at GMU.  Maybe I work for a company that
is contracted by GMU.  Questions, questions, questions, where are your
answers (with substantiating evidence)?

The fact is that you are only guessing as to the conversations between
the administrators at GMU and myself.  Truly, the only ones who can
accurately portray what was discussed would be those administrators
and myself.

I hope the profound meaning of this is not lost on you, but you have
fallen for a very elaborate trap.  It all starter long before I
started posting with my current e-mail address.  Mrs. Strasburg was
perfect.  She works at GMU in the computer labs and is in close
contact with their system administrators.  Bingo, that means that she
would be able to get and compile a list of people who submit
complaints, and hand that list over to me.  At least she is more
likely to get that list that I, on my own am.  I was very thorough.  I
went through the trouble of establishing a posting history in
dc.biking, blatantly displaying her address before enticing you.
Imagine, all my friends thought that military strategy was a waist,
could be why I am paid the big bucks.  So, thank you for playing, and
deposit a quarter at the tone.

As to GMU's system access policy, non-GMU individuals may use their
systems as long as their actions do not violate system policies of
GMU, and other domains.  Boiled down, that mean that as long as you
are not hacking, phreaking, cracking, shrieking, or and other "ing"
word you are OK.  There is, of course, a policy that states that
educational resources will have priority.  That basically can be
equated to, if I happen to be using a computer in one of the Robinson
Building Computer labs and a GMU student or professor walks in and
there are no more terminals left then I should give up mine if I am
not working in an educational (GMU) capacity.

>His posts are again showing a GMU posting host however, meaning that
>either Antonia Strasburg is ignoring this order, or he has found
>another GMU student to steal net access through.

I do not have to steal net access when my local public library offers
it for free, just because I am thrifty does not equate to wrong doing
on my behalf.  I would also like to add that you are one to talk,
posting how to cancel other people's messages is a major breach of
Usenet protocol.

<<snippers se thread>>

>I'm also certain that he is the person who falsified several posts
>that purported to be from me after I left a message critical of
>Scientology.  One of the falsified messages implicitly likened the
>treatment of Scientologists in Germany to the Holocaust, which is both
>utter nonsense and 100% Scientology party line.

Any proof of that?  Sound familiar?  I also addressed this in two
other messages.  A close look at all the messages purported as coming
from you reveals that they have not been falsified beyond your
insertion of a false name, email address (non existent), organization,
and in some case, wrong date and time.  I also find it interesting
that there are no messages that you have posted previously about the
Co$.  Maybe, just maybe someone there at IDS Online is also using your
false information in their headers.  That would be a hoot.  That
thought brings a smile to my face.  I am tempted to acquire an IDS
Online account just for that purpose, but why waist the money for such
a childish antic.  Wait a minute, Dan has an IDS Online account, maybe
he will become my evil minion.  Klaatu, there is someone we need to
convert to our Hive.  Get the implant ready.

If you would be so kind as to reveal what news group and subject
header of these phantom Co$ messages then I might take you more
seriously, but frankly, this looks like your normal antics.

>Given that he knows how to falsify an entire header, including paths
>(what a $m@rT HaCkEr1!1 ) It's a good idea to be very skeptical of the
>origin of posts for a while until this situation is dealt with.  One
>semi-reliable clue is to look for atrocious spelling and grammar, two
>of his hallmarks.

I like that last line.  Shall we revisit my post about my having LD.
That seemed to be a fun one for your previous incarnation.  Apparently
those messages were lost on you.  Yes, WORLD I have dyslexia, I spell
extremely phonetically.  My saving grace is that I try to run all my
message through a spell checker.  Grammar?  From the looks of your
whole post, I would guess that my grammar is better than yours.

Now to the fun stuff, yes I am $m@rT, that is one of the benefits of
being LD, an above average IQ.  Interesting note: the same test that
qualified me as being LD as qualified me as being placed in the Gifted
& Talented Program, (second grade).  I further qualified for GT in
junior high, which would have made me also available for GT in high
school, but as some of you know, I went to a private boarding school.
That school did not have a GT program or LD assistance, but they did
offer AP classes and I did take several, English was not one of them,
PASCAL was.

As to your assertion that I am a hacker, by the dictionary definition
of hacker I guess I am.  I do know a lot about computers, and I have
specialized in several areas.  There were eight examples given, I fit
seven.  The one that did not fit was the one of the individual that
breaks into system in search of information or for mischievous intent.
On the flip side, I know enough of how to keep those individuals out
of systems I work with.  There is a difference between knowledge used
for good as opposed too bad.

>Obviously, he's also not above lying through his teeth, so expect this
>post to be met with denials, false accusations, and most likely forged
>posts as well.  If anyone has any doubts as to where the facts lie,
>see whether or not GMU administrators take you seriously when you show
>them posts he's left from their resources.

It is also apparent that you have also perpetuated this and other
threads through convagle and obsfication.  I would even go as far as
to stated that this is a retaliation to my formal complaining to your
ISP for posting how to cancel other people's messages.  For every
response there is a motive involved, that must be yours, or a motive
to silence your detractors.
  <<snip see thread>>

>It's too bad the immaturity of a single person forces people to waste
>so much time on things like this.

Yes, why do you do it?


David Nixon

DC - We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom
     that is in it - and stop there;  lest we be like the cat thatsits
     down on a hot stove-lid.  She will never sit down on a hot
     stove-lid again---and that is well;  but also she will never sit
     down on a cold one anymore.    -- Mark Twain




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From: dbromage@metz.une.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/01/02
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com) wrote:
>matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil (Alex Matulich 03T1) wrote:
>:
>: Many of the questions addressed are NOT "frequently asked" as far as I
>: can tell, so calling this a FAQ is a misnomer.
>
>They were previously asked

previously != frequently.

And bear in mind most of the answers you present bear slightly less
relation to the trush as the Hitler Diaries.

Cheers
David



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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/01/02
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In article <5acadh$eaj@villa.fc.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't call it an ad hominem attack.

Deliberately misspelling my name after being informed of the correct spelling
is an ad-hominem attack, but don't let facts get in your way or anything.
-- 
UNIX Koan:      Karels typed in his password and said, "To call this a PC is to
deny its nature, to call this a workstation denies its substance.  What is it?"
 `-_-' `-_-' `-_-' `-_-' Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-' `-_-' `-_-' `-_-'
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From: simon@caleddon.intelligent.co.uk (Simon Brooke)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/01/02
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In article <5acadh$eaj@villa.fc.net>,
	ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales) writes:
> 
> -Ric
> Official FAQ Maintainer

Uhhhmmmm... pardon my ignorance. Official maintainer of which FAQ,
exactly? Appointed by whom?

[newsgroups cut to those relevant to net abuse; followups set]

-- 
simon@intelligent.co.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.intelligent.co.uk/~simon

	Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
	has been switched off.



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From: bern@arcadis.be (Bernie)
Subject: Re: CD-R Media for Sale
Date: 1997/01/03
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tccs@sprintmail.com wrote:

>We have the following CD-R media for sale.

>Brand: Pioneer
>Type: Printable Media (Surface is blank for printing or labels)
>Size: 74 min (650 mb)
>Price: 6.99
>Minimum Order: 10

And the relevance to alt.religion.scientology is?

Furthermore, I found the same add, posted on a one-on-one basis
in ~at least~ 15 other newsgroups!!! Can somone bust this dimwit
idiot moron for spamming?

---------
Bernie

Thetans on the Internet (Internet Thetans, or ITs) may
obsessively copy the postings of others thetans.  Spot the fact
that someone else copied it and it usually goes on and on.
					(Rasta Robert, DDBK)
DDBK=Declared Dog By Koos





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From: Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk ("Duncan R. MacMillan")
Subject: Is Singapore cancelling *YOUR* posts?
Date: 1997/01/04
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	Get this guy. Fragano Ledgister teaches Newspaper Studies at some US
university, the sort of "education" that's very popular with nigs and spics,
so he regularly pops up in a.p.n.w. extolling the virtues of having
"multiculturalism" trash Western civilisation.
	Here's one of his favourites:

> Singapore, therefore, must not be a multi-racial society.

	For anyone who's interested, why not use DejaNews to check out some of
my previous posts? better hurry though, before the Singapore gets round to
issuing "cancel" messges for any more of them.
	I don't keep copies of my old posts, so I don't know which ones
they've cancelled, but I guess they're the ones that referred to Singapore's
"culture by committe".
	But heck, let's accentuate the positive. You can see *20* films in
Singapore in the time it takes to see one film in what's left of the West,
because by the time the Chinese, Indians, Malays, Muslims, Jains, the
government and whoever else have snipped out the bits that they don't like,
all you're left with is 5-minute trailer featuring some White baddie in a car
chase.

---
D. MacMillan
             Film critic critic.




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Subject: Re: CD-R Media for Sale
Date: 1997/01/05
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On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:48:13 GMT, Bernie (bern@arcadis.be) wrote:
:tccs@sprintmail.com wrote:

:>We have the following CD-R media for sale.
:>Brand: Pioneer
:>Type: Printable Media (Surface is blank for printing or labels)
:>Size: 74 min (650 mb)
:>Price: 6.99
:>Minimum Order: 10

:And the relevance to alt.religion.scientology is?

Got any sEkRiT iNfO you wanna spread? ;-)

:Furthermore, I found the same add, posted on a one-on-one basis
:in ~at least~ 15 other newsgroups!!! Can somone bust this dimwit
:idiot moron for spamming?

I am sure they have.

Buy your CD-Rs at these prices. But not from this lot.

--
*** Rev Dr David Gerard                       http://www.suburbia.net/~fun/ ***
"A major reason that most non-Scientologists view Hubbard Tech as such a
damaging thing is that most ex-Scientologists can't seem to get over the
compulsion to retalliate viciously against anyone who is perceived to do
them wrong."  (Prignillius)



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This is the best way of getting money fast, in an easy, honest and 
legal
way too.
Read this message and be sure of what I am trying to say.
THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW OF TO SHARE THE WEALTH!
HELLO!  Would you like to make thousands of dollars, quickly, legally,
with NO CATCH!!  Then keep reading...please take 5 minutes to read this
article and it will change your life forever, just like it did mine.
It's true!!  You can make up to or over $50,000 dollars in just 4-6
weeks,maybe sooner.  I CANNOT TELL YOU ENOUGH THAT THIS IS NOT A
SCAM AND I AM JUST A CYBER SURFER JUST LIKE YOU!!!  If you are
interested, keep reading,
if your not, I apologized for wasting your time.
        Are you ready?  Then here we go. A little while back, I was
browsing through these newsgroups, just like your doing right now, and
came across an article similar to this one that said you can make
thousands of dollars in weeks with only an initial investment
of $5.00!!  So, I thought,"Yeah right, must be a scam!" but I was
curious, like most of us, so I kept reading.  Anyways, it said that
you send $1.00 to each of the 5 names and addresses stated in the
article.  You then place your name and address in the article at
the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200
newsgroups (there are thousands).  No catch, that was it!!
        So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I
decided to try it.  I figured that what do I have to lose except for
5 stamps and $5.00, right??  Well, guess what ...within 5 days, I
started getting money in the mail!!  I was shocked!!  I still figured
it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought.  But the money
kept rolling in, tripling in size and multiplying by 10-20 times the
amount that I got the first week!!  In my first week, I made about
20 to 30 dollars. But by the end of the second week, I had made over
$1000.00 dollars!!!  In the third week,I had over $10,000 dollars, and
it is still growing.  This is now my fourth week (Nov 10) and I've
made about $42,000 TOTAL, and the money is STILL growing and coming 
in...
****This is the good news for the author of this article, this is not 
my
history.  I am just now posting this article (Dic 30th).  When I start
receiving money I will update this article and inform all of my good
fortune.  I am not going to lie to you, I am giving it a shot and I
think that you should also.  I have spent many of $1, $5 bills on the
lottery alone and nothing to show for it.  At least this way I am 
making
an
effort to fund my college tuition and share the wealth around the
internet
world.
        Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it
works.... also, make sure you PRINT a copy of this article now, so you
get all the information off of it, and begin making money.

        The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY steps:
STEP 1:

Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on EACH sheet of
paper  "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.  YOU ARE NUMBER 4."  Get
five $1.00 bills and place ONE inside each piece of paper so the bill
will not be seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to
steal envelopes with money in it will get yours.)  Put one paper inside
the envelope and seal it.  Do the same for all 5!!  You should now have 
5
envelopes sealed, EACH have a piece of paper AND a $1.00 bill stuffed
inside of the paper.  Make sure those words that were stated above are
stated on each piece of paper.  What you are doing is creating a 
service
by this, and this makas it PERFECTLY LEGAL.  Now then, mail the 5
envelopes with the paper and $1.00 in each to the following addresses:



1.      L. Dano, 6185 1/2 Montezuma Rd., San Diego, CA 92115

2.      T. Louis, 1340 Hamilton Ave., Trenton, NJ 08629

3.      Manager, P.O. Box 9328, Hamilton, NJ 08610

4.      Juan Carlos Cantillo Lewis
        P.O. Box 529
        San Pedro, Montes de Oca
        San Jos�, Costa Rica
        Central America.

5.	R. Van Lathum
	PO Box 3368
	Rockhampton Shopping Fair
	Australia
	4701
                                             
STEP 2: Now take the #1 name OFF the list that you see above and move
the other 4 names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc) and put YOUR NAME
as number 5 on the list.  You can slightly alter this article if you 
need
to, editing what YOU need to edit.

STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least 
200
newsgoups (I think there's close to 18,000 of them.)  All you need is
lets say, at least 200.

 That's it.  Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a
different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups,
and you see??  Now you just have 199 to go!!  (Don't worry, each one
takes
about 30 seconds, once you get the hang of it.)  REMEMBER 200 IS THE
MINIMUM. The more you post the more money you will receive.  AND
THAT'S IT!!!  THAT'S ONLY 3 EASY STEPS!!!
You are now in the mail order business and will start receiving your
envelopes from various people all around the world within days.  HINT:
THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE.
You may want to rent a P.O. Box eventually because of all the mail.
If you wish to stay anonymous, you can make up a name, such as 
"manager"
or "investor."
Just make sure all the addresses are CORRECT, please!  REMEMBER, your
address is on there also, and you would want the next person to copy
it exactly as you placed it.

LET ME SHOW YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out of every 200 postings, let's say I only receive 5 replies, which is
actually VERY LOW.  So I made my 5 dollars with my name at #5.  Now
then, each person who just sent me $1.00 makes, say only 200 postings,
now with your name at #4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not
including yours too.
50 people send you $1.00, that's $50.00 you just made!!  Now, then your
new 50 agents post 200 each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3, OR 10,000
POSTINGS
(50 X 200.)  Average return is 500 at $1.00 each is $500.00.  They make
200 postings each with your name at #2, which is 100,000 postings, 
which
at 5,000 returns at $1.00 each, which is $5000.00 dollars!!!  And
finally,
5,000 people make 200 postings each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1.  YOU 
NOW
GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST.  AND 
THAT'S
IF EVERYONE MAKES 200 POSTINGS ONLY, AND IF ONLY PERSONS RESPOND.

When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER 
$5.00.






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From: ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Is Globecomm rogue?
Date: 1997/01/11
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Doug Edwards <dde@sitewright.com> wrote:
:
: I've gotten UCE about "free pagers" from a Globecomm account with a mail
: drop at tech-center.com, which according to whois turns out to be just
: an alias for Globecomm.  Does Globecomm have a "rep" as a rogue site or
: are they likely to be responsive to complaints?

Globecomm is probably not a rogue site, though it may have a user who
sent out mail or posted messages that others did not approve of.  The
action of one particular user or a small number of users says nothing
about the intentions of a particular ISP.  You cannot judge a site as
rogue without knowing their explicit intentions.

: Tangentially: why is it that so many sites that seem to generate so many
: complaints on n.a.n-a.* haven't yet shown up as rogue sites on
: http://www.vix.com/spam/?   Just how "repeated" do the repeated abuses
: have to be to justify rogue status?

Repeat abuses from a particular ISP might mean only that the ISP is popular,
provides good service, or is easy to obtain an account with.  Therefore,
people who posts messages or send email that others do not approve of might
tend to repeatedly obtain accounts at those ISPs.  The actions of users
at an ISP says nothing about the intentions of that ISP and therefore the
ISP cannot be called rogue for something that a small percentage of its
users might say.

Please read the FAQ on rogue-sites for more information.

-Ric G. Money
Official FAQ Maintainer



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From: Dave@Globecomm.net (D. M.)
Subject: GLOBECOMM Important Information re: SPAM
Date: 1997/01/13
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In article <5b8sr5$188@villa.fc.net>, ricardo@paranoia.com says...
>
>Doug Edwards <dde@sitewright.com> wrote:
>:
>: I've gotten UCE about "free pagers" from a Globecomm account with a mail
>: drop at tech-center.com, which according to whois turns out to be just
>: an alias for Globecomm.  Does Globecomm have a "rep" as a rogue site or
>: are they likely to be responsive to complaints?
>
>Globecomm is probably not a rogue site, though it may have a user who
>sent out mail or posted messages that others did not approve of.  The
>action of one particular user or a small number of users says nothing
>about the intentions of a particular ISP.  You cannot judge a site as
>rogue without knowing their explicit intentions.
>
>: Tangentially: why is it that so many sites that seem to generate so many
>: complaints on n.a.n-a.* haven't yet shown up as rogue sites on
>: http://www.vix.com/spam/?   Just how "repeated" do the repeated abuses
>: have to be to justify rogue status?
>
>Repeat abuses from a particular ISP might mean only that the ISP is popular,
>provides good service, or is easy to obtain an account with.  Therefore,
>people who posts messages or send email that others do not approve of might
>tend to repeatedly obtain accounts at those ISPs.  The actions of users
>at an ISP says nothing about the intentions of that ISP and therefore the
>ISP cannot be called rogue for something that a small percentage of its
>users might say.
>
>Please read the FAQ on rogue-sites for more information.
>
>-Ric G. Money
>Official FAQ Maintainer

There is a company called Globalcomm Inc that currently uses the address 
Globecomm.com and distributes Pagers.

Globecomm Inc. at GLOBECOMM.NET runs a number of Web based business 
including the site released on November 1st www.iName.com, this site has been 
providing Lifetime addresses at over 230 Domains for free over the past 2 months as 
the customer base has grown so has the abuse.

Globecomm Inc.  and iName have a Very Firm policy on the use of it�s network for any 
and all Spam, the policy is listed on the web site and part of the Users Agreement 
is"Not" to use any address provided by iName to Spam.

We are increasing our response and adding manpower to terminate abusers as fast 
as we become aware that they are sending Spam, we should be able to close 
accounts within 2 hours right now and are moving to respond even faster.

We will also be experimenting in Civil actions against repeat offenders and Criminal 
action against cases that warrant it such as this weekends attack against our system 
by some misguided and uninformed anti-spammers, cases like this are being turned 
over to the New York office of the FBI.

Below is our policy and we invite any and all system administrators to co-operate 
with us in hunting down and killing Spammers, and Fraud artists POP accounts and 
Alias accounts.

Anyone interested in discussion of options or working with us to reduce or eliminate 
Spam are welcome to E-Mail to abuse@iName.com Support4@iName.com or phone 
212-425-4477 Ext. 203



Name Service Agreement 

ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND ACCEPTANCE OF INAME SERVICE AGREEMENT. iName, a 
division of GlobeComm, Inc., ("iName") shall provide email
products and services ("the iName Service") to you ("Customer") under the terms and 
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From: turmoil@animal.blarg.net (Turmoil)
Subject: Re: GLOBECOMM Important Information re: SPAM
Date: 1997/01/16
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It took 2 weeks for iname /globecomm to eliminate one abuser who had put
my email address as a forward in his account. I sent at least 20 emails to
globecomm trying to solve the problems, and they did not do so until I
threatened them with legal action. It's nice to see them saying they are
improving things, but forgive me if I will believe it when I see it. 

 
-- 
turmoil's seattle music web -------------------  http://seattlemusicweb.com
                             turmoil@blarg.net



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From: African@explorier.com  (Captain Spaulding)
Subject: netcom.ca, net abuser
Date: 1997/01/17
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	Despite numerous complaints, netcom.ca has encouraged this sort
of abusive email directed towards myself and my family for nearly a
year now.  This same netcom.ca has engaged in numerous other libelous
posts to dozens of other people, as well as hundreds of nearly
identical emails to me.  

	Why netcom.ca is doing this, I have no idea but as an abuser of
the internet, netcom.ca ranks up there with the worst of them.  

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In article <32d9a856.98318715@news.gte.net>, you say...
>
>On 11 Jan 1997 21:06:51 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote in
>alt.revisionism:
>
>>   marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) writes:
>>  In article <5b4rbe$154@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com says...
>>   <unbelievably nauseating tribute to a murderous nazi bitch deleted>
>>  
>>  And after I thought that I had read all the nazi filth unfit to print, 
along 
>>  you come with this shit....
>>  
>>  well, whats next you you pathetic piece of nazi shit? a glowing tribute to 
>>  Himmler's warm feelings for animals? or perhaps an incisive piece on 
Goring's 
>>  trouble with weight loss? or perhaps an analysis on Streicher's hidden 
>>  desire to actually refuse to publish tasteless cartoons?
>>  
>>  one of these days, nazi-wannabe, we'll find you and hunt you down
>>  
>>  
>>>>>>
>>Comment:  That's it!  I'm moving to Jerusalem.  They aldready have a cross 
there
>>with my name on it:  Rex Naziorum.  
>
>        BTW:  This is the Marduk that netcom supports in sending
>harrassing email with their system.  When you think of him, think of
>netcom.  
>
>
>=====
>
>The URL, the mail drop, and the synagogue phone numbers



fuck off giwer, you're next

rinnnnng, rinnnnng


	
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>Subject: Re: The Bitch of Bu...Bu....Bullshit
>From: mgiwer@gte.net (Old Drunken Nazi)
>Organization: Combase
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:25 -0500
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>In article <32d9a856.98318715@news.gte.net>, you say...
>>
>>On 11 Jan 1997 21:06:51 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote in
>>alt.revisionism:
>>
>>>   marduk@netcom.ca (Marduk) writes:
>>>  In article <5b4rbe$154@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com says...
>>>   <unbelievably nauseating tribute to a murderous nazi bitch deleted>
>>>  
>>>  And after I thought that I had read all the nazi filth unfit to print, 
>along 
>>>  you come with this shit....
>>>  
>>>  well, whats next you you pathetic piece of nazi shit? a glowing tribute to 
>>>  Himmler's warm feelings for animals? or perhaps an incisive piece on 
>Goring's 
>>>  trouble with weight loss? or perhaps an analysis on Streicher's hidden 
>>>  desire to actually refuse to publish tasteless cartoons?
>>>  
>>>  one of these days, nazi-wannabe, we'll find you and hunt you down
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>Comment:  That's it!  I'm moving to Jerusalem.  They aldready have a cross 
>there
>>>with my name on it:  Rex Naziorum.  
>>
>>        BTW:  This is the Marduk that netcom supports in sending
>>harrassing email with their system.  When you think of him, think of
>>netcom.  
>>
>>
>>=====
>>
>>The URL, the mail drop, and the synagogue phone numbers



>fuck off giwer, you're next

>rinnnnng, rinnnnng



=====
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages of Zionism 
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the Holocaust (mirror)
http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust (mirror)
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) 
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de R�cits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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From: tavares@ctron.com
Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER TO  FORGERY!
Date: 1997/01/20
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This article is a forgery. 

If you notice, the article ID is from ziplink.net.

I have had a problem in the past with a rather childish
and inept user of ziplink. He apparrently feels that this
and the subsequent post admitting to being humiliated,
as a fine job of spoofing. I did not post this and in fact
do not read this newsgroup.

I have passed this on to the admin at ziplink and will post to 
the appropriate abuse newsgruops

In article <32de9729.8471192@news.ziplink.net>,
  Usenet Newsgroup wrote:
> 
> An Open Letter To Gateway For All Gateway Customers, Past, Present,
> And Future:
> 
> January 16, 1997
> 
> By Fax: 	6052322023
> 8165453505 X55073
> 
> Gateway 2000, Inc.
> 1414 Genesee
> Kansas City, Missouri
> 64102-1048
> 
> Attention: 	
> 
> Customer Service Department
> Crystal, Internet Sales Representative
> Harrison Langston and Keith Brady, Sales Managers
> 
> Re:	Purchase Order #:	
> 
> Dear Gateway 2000:
> 
> Please consider our conversation of today s date as effective
> termination of our Order of 010797.
> 
> Reason? We consider Crystal s:
> 
> � personal failure to confirm our letters concerning establishing our
> company s credit information;
> � lack of response to our questions and order inquiries both by
> telephone and fax;
> � failure to confirm a shipping date and;
> � then your lying to us as to the real "estimated" shipping date being
> ten days later;
> � abusive and deceptive attitude with concern to resolving our
> concerns regarding our order status;
> � criticizing us, the customer, for being pissed off at you, the
> company, all of the above;
> � the list goes on ;
> 
> as sufficient grounds to terminate this order, don t you?
> 
> Although you personally are not the worst of the representatives we
> have had to deal with since purchasing (regrettably) our first Gateway
> system in 1993 (shipping was two months late in that instance, the
> system had nothing but problems, ultimately failing this past
> December, for which I will be filing suit for cost replacement in
> Small Claims Court), you certainly fall well in line with the lack of
> professionalism Gateway s employees all seem to have inbred into them.
> 
> Question:	Does living in South Dakota have something to do with
> this?
> 
> Either way, we really couldn t care less what your personal opinions
> are or what may or may not be true with respect to our dealings with
> your company in the past. More than not, by your company s continued
> failure to satisfy our orders, its slow and insufficient technical
> support requests, leaving us on "HOLD" for an hour each time we call,
> and dozens of other miscellaneous issues to date, we have been every
> right to be upset and verbally expressive of such frustration in
> calling you idiots. Until you provide us with some evidence
> contradicting this fact, we remain per our previous position in that:
> 
> Like the thousands of other "disgruntled" Gateway customers in
> America, we leave you with the best we can do considering the great
> lack of respect we have for this company. Please file this letter with
> our account under the letter "F" for:
> 
> "Fuck You Gateway 2000 And The Cow You Rode In On."
> 
> Not only will we never order another computer from you again, we are
> going to recommend to everyone we know and work with not to buy a
> Gateway.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Name Withheld
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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From: ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo Hector Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Idiots Are Cancelling Posts In This Newsgroup
Date: 1997/01/28
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scheidell@fdma.com (Michael S. Scheidell) wrote:
:
: Yes, you are upset that you got a post cancelled, but, it was posted into 
: the regional florida newsgroup

So only people you approve of are allowed to post to the florida newsgroups?

: and xposted to more than the maximum number of newsgroups

Maximum in what way?  Have you arbitrarily selected a number for your
artificial maximum?

: and the admin who EVERYONE in florida decided to trust issued the cancel.
                    ^^^^^^^^
Really?  Everyone in florida trusts the admin who send forged cancellations
messages when a post doesn't fit into your arbitrary scheme of approval?

: Now, calm down and look at some things:
:
: Steve winter (see faq at <http://www.fdma.com/~news/winfaq.htm>>
: or his own web page <http://www.prime.org>
:
: He doesn't seem brave enough to do the email harassment himself, so he 
: enlist others to do it.

You are calling something email harassment when someone complains about
having their post cancelled by thugs like you and your friends.  Someone
shouldn't have to join your KLAN just to keep their post from being
cancelled by your gang of net terrorists.

Information on Scheidell's past net terrorism and fascism is available at:

<http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/fdma/>
<http://www.paranoia.com/~ricardo/dropfdma.html>

Please help stop net abuse by stopping abusers like Scheidell.

-Speedy G.
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From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga)
Subject: Re: Idiots Are Cancelling Posts In This Newsgroup
Date: 1997/01/29
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Ricardo Hector Gonzales (ricardo@paranoia.com) wrote:
: scheidell@fdma.com (Michael S. Scheidell) wrote:
: :
: : Yes, you are upset that you got a post cancelled, but, it was posted into 
: : the regional florida newsgroup
: 
: So only people you approve of are allowed to post to the florida newsgroups?

     Quite the opposite, We created these groups and have selected parties
responsible for keeping out Spam, MLM, and other items not topical of
Florida.

: Maximum in what way?  Have you arbitrarily selected a number for your
: artificial maximum?

     The numbers selected are based on discusions which took place in the
now defuct fl.news group where fl.* groups proposals take place.

: Really?  Everyone in florida trusts the admin who send forged cancellations
: messages when a post doesn't fit into your arbitrary scheme of approval?

     Everyone who is a news admin and those who took part in discussion in
fl.news and now fl.config.  The fl.* groups are distributed and maintained
by me and others assist.

: You are calling something email harassment when someone complains about
: having their post cancelled by thugs like you and your friends.  Someone
: shouldn't have to join your KLAN just to keep their post from being
: cancelled by your gang of net terrorists.

     I call it E-mail harrasment when folks who have told Winters to stop
mailing them yet he continues to mail notices to them.  This is harrasment.
Let it be known that should I receive mail from him and after requesting
that he Stop he continue, he will be held responsible for those actions.

: 
: Information on Scheidell's past net terrorism and fascism is available at:
: 
: <http://www.paranoia.com/~goat/fdma/>
: <http://www.paranoia.com/~ricardo/dropfdma.html>
: 
: Please help stop net abuse by stopping abusers like Scheidell.

     Scheidell isn't the Newsmaster in charge of this Regions resources,
you have jumped the gun in assuming such.

Carlos
Newsmaster@megalith.miami.fl.us



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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/02/06
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In article <5dbvjg$aj4@nnrp2.digex.net>,
Ricardo Hector Gonzales <ricardo@paranoia.com> wrote:
>                          Introduction to Net Abuse

This document is a tissue of lies and fantasies.

For a thorough and complete debunking, just look up previous responses in
Dejanews.
-- 

             The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH.

                  Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'



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From: malice@mailmasher.com
Subject: John Cooper and Sound Applications, Inc. - THUGS and NET ABUSERS - Read for more info
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Go *Fuck* YOURSELF!!!!!!



>I recently received the following e-mail from one John Cooper,




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From: agathon@sci.fi (Agathon Frosteus)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/09
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In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>
>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> Me Too!
>>>   sssi@erols.com
>
>me too
>
>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>
me too



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/09
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Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> 
> In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >
> >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> Me Too!
> >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >
> >me too
> >
> >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >
> me too

me too:  god.ewh@correo.com



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From: James Shepherd <james.shepherd@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/09
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GoD.EWH wrote:
> 
> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >
> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >
> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >
> > >>> Me Too!
> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > >
> > >me too
> > >
> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > >
> > me too
> 
> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > > > > >me too: james@technologist.com
-- 
***********************************************************
* If the country wasn't run by greedy criminals with no   *
*   concientious and a line of soothing shit to choke on.
*                                                     *
* Then the normal person wouldn't have to steal bread to  *
*   keep his family alive!   James                       
*                 *                      
James                             *
*                     September 19, 1987                  *
***********************************************************



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me too, thanks

James Shepherd <james.shepherd@airmail.net> wrote in article
<32FE4994.3B12@airmail.net>...
> GoD.EWH wrote:
> > 
> > Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach
it to
> > > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> Me Too!
> > > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >
> > > >me too
> > > >
> > > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >
> > > me too
> > 
> > me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > > > > > >me too: james@technologist.com
> -- 
> ***********************************************************
> * If the country wasn't run by greedy criminals with no   *
> *   concientious and a line of soothing shit to choke on.
> *                                                     *
> * Then the normal person wouldn't have to steal bread to  *
> *   keep his family alive!   James                       
> *                 *                      
> James                             *
> *                     September 19, 1987                  *
> ***********************************************************
> 



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me too



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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RANDY D. SHOULTZ wrote:
> 
> me too
OOPS NOT ME TOO!! I ME TOOED THE WRONG POST!!!!I DON'T WANT THIS
KEYMAKER!!!!!!



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From: webcyber@taeback.kornet.nm.kr ( jung hyun)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/11
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On 9 Feb 1997 17:36:55 GMT, agathon@sci.fi (Agathon Frosteus) wrote:

>In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>>
>>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> Me Too!
>>>>   sssi@erols.com
>>
>>me too
>>
>>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>>
>me too

me too
email   " webcyber@taeback.kornet.nm.kr



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Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> 
> In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >
> >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> Me Too!
> >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >
> >me too
> >
> >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >
> me too
>
>Me To Please python2@jaguarsystems.com



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Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check shit 
thingy.

ttower@hotmail.com



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any one have winNT 4.0 workstation or winNT 5 beta?
Will trade



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jung hyun wrote:
> 
> On 9 Feb 1997 17:36:55 GMT, agathon@sci.fi (Agathon Frosteus) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >>
> >>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> >>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >
> >>>> Me Too!
> >>>>   sssi@erols.com
> >>
> >>me too
> >>
> >>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >>
> >me too
> 
> me too
> email   " webcyber@taeback.kornet.nm.kr
me too!!



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From: "Harold Alley jr." <ataripc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/13
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Infiltrator wrote:
> 
> jung hyun wrote:
> >
> > On 9 Feb 1997 17:36:55 GMT, agathon@sci.fi (Agathon Frosteus) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >>
> > >>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > >>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> > >>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> Me Too!
> > >>>>   sssi@erols.com
> > >>
> > >>me too
> > >>
> > >>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > >>
> > >me too
> >
> > me too
> > email   " webcyber@taeback.kornet.nm.kr
> me too!!
>me too!! email "ataripc@2die4.com"



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From: Blue Max <scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/14
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ttower@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check shit
> thingy.
> 
> me too. scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il



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From: trollfaq@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Troll FAQ!)
Subject: Shiver & Shake! The TrollFAQ's Back!!! (was Re: agm.c)
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Some groups are just too easy to Troll. They should read this......

Contents:
~~~~~~~~~

Introduction

Section 1:     What is a troll?
Section 2:     Design Issues
Section 3:     Content
Section 4:     Newsgroup Selection
Section 5:     Know Your Audience
Section 6:     Following-Up
Section 7:     The Sucessful Troll
Section 8:     Troll RFC

INTRODUCTION
~~~~~~~~~~~~

The object of this post is to bring together a definitve document to cover
the phenomena of the Usenet Troll. To many a troll is nothing more than an
annoying method of defeating the killfile whereas to the heavily killfiled,
trolling can be a virtual Godsend.

What I want this document to focus on is how to create entertaining trolls.
I have drawn on the expertise of the writer's of some of Usenet's finest
and best remembered trolls.  Trolls are for fun. The object of recreational
trolling is to sit back and laugh at all those gullible idiots that will
believe *anything*.

Section 1:      What Is A Troll?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The WWW gives this as a definition:

        troll v.,n.

        To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
        responses or flames.  Derives from the phrase  "trolling for
        newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a
        style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot
        hoping for a bite.  The well-constructed troll is a post that
        induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even
        more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
        the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
        troll.  If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.

The following extract is from a broader expansion of the defining comments
given above:

        In Usenet usage, a "troll" is not a grumpy monster that lives
        beneath a bridge accosting passers-by, but rather a provocative
        posting to a newsgroup intended to produce a large volume of
        frivolous responses.

        The content of a "troll" posting generally falls into several
        areas. It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction
        of common knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the
        readers of a newsgroup, or a broad request for trivial follow-up
        postings.

There are three reasons why people troll newsgroups:

        People post such messages to get attention, to disrupt newsgroups,
        and simply to make trouble.

Career trollers tend for the latter two whilst the former is the mark
of the clueless newbie and should be ignored.


Section 2:      Design Issues
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A troll is no different to any other Usenet posting. That needs to be
stressed. Any article that you decide to write should be written with
a view to it actually being read by large numbers of people. Simply
X-posting to large numbers of irrelevant newsgroups is not creative
trolling - it is just spam and should be avoided.

The experienced troller spends time carefully choosing the right subject
and delivering it to the right newsgroup. With trolls, delivery is just
as important as the subject.

Start the troll in a reasonable and erudite manner. You have to engage
your readers' interest and draw them in. Never give too much away at
the start - although a brief abstract with hints of what's to come can
work wonders.

Construct your troll in a manner to make it readable. Use short paragraphs
and lots of white space. Keep line length below eighty characters. Use a
liberal amount of emphasis and even the occasional illustration. A good
rule of thumb is that as your troll becomes more and more ludicrous put
extra effort into the presentation - this keeps the mug punter confused.
Let confusion and choas be your goal!

Section 3       Content
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Make your subject a relevant one.  Posting "Star Trek Sucks" into hk.forsale
is not going to work very well and is liable to utterly destroy your hard
earned reputation as a troller overnight.

You do not have to make the subject clear. Trolls are aimed at two audiences,
the respondees and the lurkers. The best trolls reveal their true subject
only to the lurkers. In every sense those who reply to your troll are your
tools. So choose a theme for your troll and stick to it.

Outwardly you need to appear sincere, but at the same time you have to tell
your *real* audience that this is blatant flamebait. Your skill is shown in
the easy way that you manipulate large areas of the Usenet community into
making public fools of themselves.

Section 4       Newsgroup Selection
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Choice of newsgroup is as important as the subject, tone and structure of
the troll.  You want to appeal to each group you X-post into to ensure
responses from each group. A well delivered troll will anticipate what
those responses will be and thus ensure that contradictions will arise
amongst the different groups that you are setting up.

BAD:

    Posting "USA Sucks" to alt.nuke.the.USA, alt.usa-sucks, aus.flame.usa

        This is totally on-topic and obvious. A truly useless troll.

AVERAGE:

    Posting "God Doesn't Exist" to all the alt.religon newsgroups

        Here you are being too obvious. People recognise this sort of
        trouble making and have usually learned not to respond to it.
        However, if your troll is well written you can actually entrap
        a lot of newbies. This, if executed correctly, can be exploited
        to cause great offence to those more experienced troll avoiders
        on the groups you are attacking. Go for it!

GOOD:

   Posting an article that appears relevant to every group but with
   no connection between those groups other than the fact that you've
   just trolled them.

The best trolls go out to an average of around eight or nine newsgroups.
This will stop them from becoming spam as it's not quite enough to be
a real problem. However, to get by on so few groups you have to include
a couple of popular ones in the list.

When posting to say seven groups you should try to break down your theme
into seven areas - each of which will be of specific interest to just
one of those groups. You then write an eight paragraph troll with a
paragraph for each group and a spare one for yourself with which to lob
in a gratuitous insult to everyone who was dumb enough to read your troll.

It is a matter of choice whether you choose newsgroups before or after
writing the troll. Some experts claim that newsgroup selection is the
key to successful trolling and should be done first, others will write
general trolls and then apply the standard Perl script that trollers use
for Automatic Random Newsgroup Selection. (I think this script is avail-
able on the web but I haven't yet got the URL - sorry)

Section 5       Know Your Audience
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember that you have two audiences. The people who are going to get
the maximum enjoyment out of your post are other trollers. You need
to keep in contact with them through both your troll itself and the way
you direct its effect.  It is trollers that you are trying to entertain
so be creative - trollers don't just want a laugh from you they want to
see good trolls so that they can also learn how to improve their own
in the never ending search for the perfect troll.

The other audience is of course the little people in those newsgroups
that your are attacking. Get to know them. Every newsgroup has its
smartarse who will expose your troll if given half a chance. Research
your targets and learn what their arguemnts are. Then avoid those argu-
ments like the plague. Drag them off-topic - the further off-topic the
better. Remember, you are trying to waste their time. Never take sides -
remember that your goal is not to win an arguement, rather it is to
provoke a futile one that runs forever.

If, for example you were attacking Fast Food then you should also
X-post to Healthy Eating groups, Environmental Protection Groups,
Animal Rights Groups etc....You want to try to ensure that you
have the broadest possible range of opinions as this is the easiest
way to sow confusion. The more confusion the less the likelyhood
of your troll being exposed for what it is.

It can also be shown that the inclusion of just one totally off-topic
newsgroup can have dramatic effects. The list above is taken from a
genuine troll which also included an Artifical Intelligence group, the
result of which was to draw Computer Guru Professor Marvin Minsky into
a flamewar concerning Ronald McDonald's exploitation of the disabled -
an all-time classic piece of trolling - written by a practising veggie.

Section 6       Following-Up
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Even if this is true......"

That represents the perfect response to any troll. The mark of a gullible
lunatic that will almost certainly believe anything you tell her (women
always make the best trollees as they have a logical reasoning capacity
of zilch). A total group embarrasment. Award yourself a Troll Gold Star
every time you get one!

Other good responses include, but are not limited to....

"Although this is on-topic....."

"I disagree...."

"Yes, but....."

"Can you provide a source for this...."

Try not to follow-up to your own troll. The troll itself quickly becomes
forgotten in the chaos and if you just sit back you can avoid being blamed
for causing it. Remember, if you do follow up you are talking to an idiot.
Treat them with the ill-respect they deserve.

You should also learn to recognise follow-ups from your fellow trollers.
Sometimes an average troll can be elevated into majestic proportions when
several trollers spontaneously join forces via the medium of the follow
up troll.

Ignore cries of wasted bandwidth! This is pure drivel that will always be
posted by the anti-troll lobby. These jerks fail to understand that trolls
are the best way to drive people off the internet thus making available
multi-mbs for the rest of us to download our porn.

Section 7      The Successful Troll
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A good example of troll success is the famous "Oh How I Envy American
Students" troll. This troll was written by an English brick-layer posing
as an american student. He correctly posted it to all the college news-
groups and then left american students to do all the work spreading it.

His troll ran for over a year, it is known to have generated in excess of
3,500 responses  (an average of 1 response every 160 minutes for a whole
year) and the greatest coup of all was when an innocent american student
lost not only her internet account but was also expelled from high school
for abuse of the computer systems. Somehow she had managed to get the blame
for causing the troll.

Section 8       Troll RFC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Applications are requested for a standard API to the existing troller's
tool the "Automatic Random X-Post Generator" - now in pre-release beta.

Experienced trollers and recovered trollees are invited to submit items
for inclusion in this FAQ.

Mirror sites are required for the soon to open Troll WWW Site! Please
send in your favourite trolls. (min 500 verifiable follow-ups).

Suggestions are welcome for an appropriate newsgroup to post the winning
troll into after each Troll of the Month title is awarded.
===============================================================================

Remember agm.c? Feeling sick? 

The Troller's FAQ

As seen on: 
	alt.best.of.internet,
	alt.best.of.usenet,
	misc.writing,
	rec.org.mensa,

Think: 	Don't be so gullible. Lighten up ferchrissake.

	For crying out loud, one responder even claimed that my
	code had bugs in! Duhhhh!!!!!

	But Charles.Clendenen@nospam_cclenden@texas.net wrote:

	> Kind of strange.  Troll?  Real? Found in rec.humor.  I don't 
	> find it all that funny myself.

	Not much of a sense of humour but at least he's on the ball.

--
TrollFAQ!
trollfaq@altairiv.demon.co.uk




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From: bray <Bray@castle.net.au>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/14
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GoD.EWH wrote:
> 
> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >
> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >
> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >
> > >>> Me Too!
> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > >
> > >me too
> > >
> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > >
> > me too
> 
> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
me too bray@castle.net.au



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/14
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bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:

>GoD.EWH wrote:
>> 
>> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> Me Too!
>> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>> > >
>> > >me too
>> > >
>> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>> > >
>> > me too
>> 
>> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>me too bray@castle.net.au
me too elisar@u.arizona.edu




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bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote in article <33045508.2FA8@castle.net.au>...
> GoD.EWH wrote:
> > 
> > Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach
it to
> > > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> Me Too!
> > > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >
> > > >me too
> > > >
> > > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >
> > > me too
> > 
> > me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> me too bray@castle.net.au
> me too quake6@aol.com



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From: Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/15
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Elisar wrote:
> 
> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> 
> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >>
> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >> > >
> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> >> > >wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> >> > >>> > >>
> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >> > >>> > >>
> >> > >>> > >
> >> > >>> Me Too!
> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >> > >
> >> > >me too
> >> > >
> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >> > >
> >> > me too
> >>
> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
me too cybrwzrd@netins.net



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me too


bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote in article <33045508.2FA8@castle.net.au>...
> GoD.EWH wrote:
> > 
> > Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach
it to
> > > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> Me Too!
> > > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >
> > > >me too
> > > >
> > > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >
> > > me too
> > 
> > me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> me too bray@castle.net.au
> 



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From: beholder@jaxnet.com (will frazier)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/15
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In article <5dl1vn$nrp@tron.sci.fi>, agathon@sci.fi says...
>
>In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, 
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>>
>>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> Me Too!
>>>>   sssi@erols.com
>>
>>me too
>>
>>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>>
>me too

Me too! beholder@jaxnet.com




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From: bmorgan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brent Morgan)
Subject: Re: Shiver & Shake! The TrollFAQ's Back!!! (was Re: agm.c)
Date: 1997/02/15
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In <855947624snz@altairiv.demon.co.uk> trollfaq@altairiv.demon.co.uk
(Troll FAQ!) writes:


>Section 1:      What Is A Troll?
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>The WWW gives this as a definition:

>        troll v.,n.

>        To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
>        responses or flames.  Derives from the phrase  "trolling for
>        newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a
>        style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot
<snip>

I believe that the highly regarded and normally extremely accurate WWW
is incorrect in this area.  The word troll, as used in this context,
derives from trawling (pronounced trolling in the fishing/boating
community vernacular) which is the fishing activity performed by
trawlers (large fishing craft which trail a line/net or series of lines
through the water).

websters says:

trawl-er \'troG-ler\ n
(1630)
1: a person who fishes by trawling
2: a boat used in trawling 


Otherwise a fine FAQ. HTH.
-- 
Brent A. Morgan




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From: S Beaumont <me@s1234.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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will frazier wrote:
> 
> In article <5dl1vn$nrp@tron.sci.fi>, agathon@sci.fi says...
> >
> >In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >>
> >>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> >>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >
> >>>> Me Too!
> >>>>   sssi@erols.com
> >>
> >>me too
> >>
> >>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >>
> >me too
> 
> Me too! beholder@jaxnet.com
>
>
>Me Too !
email me@s1234.demon.co.uk



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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Hi i also want that adult key maker could you please send it me.
My e-mail adress is a4841@hotmail.com



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From: troll man <N0body@pagan1.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Shiver & Shake! The TrollFAQ's Back!!! (was Re: agm.c) [1/3]
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Hi, It is also believed that us trolls have the ability to approach
people, without their knowledgs...

Being a troll myself I thought I would send you this humerous jpg that
shows my point..
The young lady and the other fuests at the wedding were blissfully
unaware of my presence...

Email me for more similar...



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Subject: Re: Shiver & Shake! The TrollFAQ's Back!!! (was Re: agm.c) [3/3]
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In article <5e4uhi$4ou@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
           bmorgan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu "Brent Morgan" writes:

> >The WWW gives this as a definition:
> 
> >        troll v.,n.
> 
> >        To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
> >        responses or flames.  Derives from the phrase  "trolling for
> >        newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a
> >        style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot
> <snip>
> 
> I believe that the highly regarded and normally extremely accurate WWW
> is incorrect in this area.  The word troll, as used in this context,
> derives from trawling (pronounced trolling in the fishing/boating
<snip>

Nice try, Brent, but a) you missed the Web's pun on 'mainstream' and b)

Collins (1992):

troll vb. 1 /Angling/ a. to draw (a baited line etc) through the water. 
	  b. to fish (a stretch of water) by trolling. c. to fish (by) 
	  trolling.

The WWW, and hence The Troller's FAQ, is correct in its, dare I say it, 
witty definition. You're talking about the etymology, as opposed to the
meaning. 

Andrew/

                 'You're a Jerk, Dent'
                         Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged




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From: Chris McGinnis <chrismcg@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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meee 2



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Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:

>Elisar wrote:
>> 
>> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> >> > >>> > wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>> >> > >>> > >>
>> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>> >> > >>> > >>
>> >> > >>> > >
>> >> > >>> Me Too!
>> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >me too
>> >> > >
>> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>> >> > >
>> >> > me too
>> >>
>> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
me too please.




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In article <33045508.2FA8@castle.net.au>, Bray@castle.net.au says...
> GoD.EWH wrote:
> > 
> > Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> > > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >>> > >>
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> Me Too!
> > > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >
> > > >me too
> > > >
> > > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >
> > > me too
> > 
> > me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> me too bray@castle.net.au
> 
me too:  Stephane.vanderAa@ping.be



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me too theodore@bridge.net

rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> 
> >Elisar wrote:
> >> 
> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
<richardf@earthlink.net>
> >> >> > >wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
attach it to
> >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
thread.
> >> >> > >>> > >>
> >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >> >> > >>> > >>
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >me too
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > me too
> >> >>
> >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> me too please.
> 
> 



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ted riggs wrote:
> 
> me too theodore@bridge.net
> 
> rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Elisar wrote:
> > >>
> > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >> >> > >wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> >
> > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> >
> > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> attach it to
> > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> thread.
> > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > >> >> > >>> > >
> > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >me too
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > me too
> > >> >>
> > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > me too please.
> >
> >
me too plz kpatnett@flash.net



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me to, thanks

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:28:02 GMT, rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote:

>Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>
>>Elisar wrote:
>>> 
>>> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>>> >> > >wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>> >> > >>> >
>>> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>> >> > >>> > wrote:
>>> >> > >>> >
>>> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>> >> > >>> > >>
>>> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>> >> > >>> > >>
>>> >> > >>> > >
>>> >> > >>> Me Too!
>>> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >me too
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > me too
>>> >>
>>> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>>> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>>> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>>me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>me too please.
>




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Blue Max <scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il> wrote in article
<33043E11.3CFA@www-mail.huji.ac.il>...
> ttower@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check
shit
> > thingy.
> > 
> > me too. scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il
> me tooo 



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From: "Ren� Guti�rrez G." <renegtz@goodnet.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/17
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me too!

smutie@ix.netcom.com wrote in article <3307ed72.9441593@nntp.netcruiser>...
> me to, thanks
> 
> On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:28:02 GMT, rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote:
> 
> >Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Elisar wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
<richardf@earthlink.net>
> >>> >> > >wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>> >> > >>>
> >>> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>> >> > >>> >
> >>> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> > >>> >
> >>> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
attach it to
> >>> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
thread.
> >>> >> > >>> > >>
> >>> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>> >> > >>> > >>
> >>> >> > >>> > >
> >>> >> > >>> Me Too!
> >>> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >me too
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > me too
> >>> >>
> >>> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> >>> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> >>> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> >>me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> >me too please.
> >
> 
> 



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From: crashphic@hotmail.com (CrashPhic)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/17
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On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:33:10 GMT, smutie@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>me to, thanks
>
>On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:28:02 GMT, rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote:
>
>>Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Elisar wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
>>>> >> > >wrote:
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>>> >> > >>>
>>>> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>>> >> > >>> >
>>>> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>>> >> > >>> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >>> >
>>>> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>>> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>>> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>>> >> > >>> > >>
>>>> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>>> >> > >>> > >>
>>>> >> > >>> > >
>>>> >> > >>> Me Too!
>>>> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >me too
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > me too
>>>> >>
>>>> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>>>> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>>>> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>>>me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>>me too please.
>>
>





ME TOO PLEASE - crashphic@hotmail.com



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From: "Michael Fitzgerald" <drf@nexus.net.au>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/18
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ME TOO drf@nexus.net.au

Blue Max <scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il> wrote in article
<33043E11.3CFA@www-mail.huji.ac.il>...
> ttower@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check
shit
> > thingy.
> > 
> > me too. scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il
> 



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From: "Jimmy" <jimbo_jones@springfield.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/18
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Me Too!! mailto:binskin@mpx.com.au

Eric & Betty <python2@jaguarsystems.com> wrote in article
<3300C18B.4A9@jaguarsystems.com>...
> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > 
> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > >
> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
<buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach
it to
> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >
> > >>> Me Too!
> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > >
> > >me too
> > >
> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > >
> > me too
> >
> >Me To Please python2@jaguarsystems.com
> 



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From: "0000-Admin(0000)" <oscar@uca.facea.uchile.cl>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
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Add me Too Please : Oscar@tron.facea.uchile.cl

Thanks ....



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From: Casey Chambliss (CASEY CHAMBLISS)
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In article <33043DBE.D34@nmia.com>, steve mcc <steve@nmia.com> says:
>
>peterh wrote:
>> 
>> Jon Dobb wrote:
>> >
>> > Joe blow wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> > > > > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>> > > > > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> End age discrimination!
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > Me Too!
>> > > >   sssi@erols.com
>> > > >
>> > > Me Too!
>> > > bdx@hotmail.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > me too
>> 
>> >>>>>me too
>me too steve_mcc@juno.com

ME TOO cchambli@tenhoor.as.ua.edu



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From: ckc
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In article <33043DBE.D34@nmia.com>, steve mcc <steve@nmia.com> says:
>
>peterh wrote:
>> 
>> Jon Dobb wrote:
>> >
>> > Joe blow wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> > > > > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>> > > > > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> End age discrimination!
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > Me Too!
>> > > >   sssi@erols.com
>> > > >
>> > > Me Too!
>> > > bdx@hotmail.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > me too
>> 
>> >>>>>me too
>me too steve_mcc@juno.com
me too cchambli@tenhoor.as.ua.edu



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From: "Ryan Rife" <rife2676@alpha.esper.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/18
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I would like the Audult Check sent to z17trk@aol.com

Michael Fitzgerald <drf@nexus.net.au> wrote in article
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> ME TOO drf@nexus.net.au
> 
> Blue Max <scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il> wrote in article
> <33043E11.3CFA@www-mail.huji.ac.il>...
> > ttower@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check
> shit
> > > thingy.
> > > 
> > > me too. scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il
> > 
> 



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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/18
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Ryan Rife wrote:
> 
> I would like the Audult Check sent to z17trk@aol.com
> 
> Michael Fitzgerald <drf@nexus.net.au> wrote in article
> <01b8c01c$2563bf80$714a17cb@NEXUS.nexus.net.au>...
> > ME TOO drf@nexus.net.au
> >
> > Blue Max <scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il> wrote in article
> > <33043E11.3CFA@www-mail.huji.ac.il>...
> > > ttower@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >Me TOO!
> > > > Send me some e-mail to ttower@hotmail.com, I'd like the adult check
> > shit
> > > > thingy.
> > > >
> > > > me too. scally@www-mail.huji.ac.il
> > >
> >



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On 18 Feb 97 21:47:59 GMT, ckc wrote:

>In article <33043DBE.D34@nmia.com>, steve mcc <steve@nmia.com> says:
>>
>>peterh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jon Dobb wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Joe blow wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>> > > > > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>> > > > > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >> End age discrimination!
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > Me Too!
>>> > > >   sssi@erols.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > Me Too!
>>> > > bdx@hotmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > me too
>>> 
>>> >>>>>me too
>>me too steve_mcc@juno.com
>me too cchambli@tenhoor.as.ua.edu
me too
topdog@jax-inter.net



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On 18 Feb 97 21:47:59 GMT, ckc wrote:

>In article <33043DBE.D34@nmia.com>, steve mcc <steve@nmia.com> says:
>>
>>peterh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jon Dobb wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Joe blow wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>> > > > > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
>>> > > > > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >> End age discrimination!
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > Me Too!
>>> > > >   sssi@erols.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > Me Too!
>>> > > bdx@hotmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > me too
>>> 
>>> >>>>>me too
>>me too steve_mcc@juno.com
>me too cchambli@tenhoor.as.ua.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me too please sgehret@ix.netcom.com



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Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote in article
<330C9E0A.44EF@tadi.tomsk.su>...
> kpatnett wrote:
> > 
> > ted riggs wrote:
> > >
> > > me too theodore@bridge.net
> > >
> > > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
<5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me
to
> > > attach it to
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
this
> > > thread.
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >me too
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > me too
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > > me too please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
> me too damir.alagic@tip.nl :)



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kpatnett wrote:
> 
> ted riggs wrote:
> >
> > me too theodore@bridge.net
> >
> > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> > attach it to
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> > thread.
> > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >me too
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > me too
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > me too please.
> > >
> > >
> me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su



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kpatnett wrote:
> 
> ted riggs wrote:
> >
> > me too theodore@bridge.net
> >
> > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> > attach it to
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> > thread.
> > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >me too
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > me too
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > me too please.
> > >
> > >
> me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
ME TOO Vladimir    alkor@tadi.tomsk.su



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Vladimir wrote:

> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > > me too please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> ME TOO Vladimir    alkor@tadi.tomsk.su

me too: gbrink@dds.nl



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From: shcgty@microsoft.blah (pop)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/21
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On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:11:20 GMT, Gert-Jan Brink <gbrink@dds.nl>
wrote:





















































>Vladimir wrote:
>
>> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>> > > > me too please.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
>> ME TOO Vladimir    alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
>
>me too: gbrink@dds.nl
mee too: giardini@telnetwork.it



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From: NiceGuy�@WorldwideX.com (NiceGuy�)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker (Vladimir made 2 posts from alkor@tadi.tomsk.su - Send lots of made up keys)
Date: 1997/02/21
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Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote:

>kpatnett wrote:
>> 
>> ted riggs wrote:
>> >
>> > me too theodore@bridge.net

>> > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>> > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>> > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>> > > me too please.
>> > >
>> > >
>> me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
>me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su




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Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/21
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Damir Alagic <damir.alagic@tip.nl> wrote in article
<01bc1f84$8e9f9b20$07d5b18f@damirala>...
> 
> 
> Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote in article
> <330C9E0A.44EF@tadi.tomsk.su>...
> > kpatnett wrote:
> > > 
> > > ted riggs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > me too theodore@bridge.net
> > > >
> > > > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
> <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want
me
> to
> > > > attach it to
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
> this
> > > > thread.
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >me too
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > me too
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > > > me too please.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> > me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
> > me too damir.alagic@tip.nl :)
> me too thundez@hotmail.com



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From: Carlos McGhee <carlos@voy.net>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/21
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pop wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:11:20 GMT, Gert-Jan Brink <gbrink@dds.nl>
> wrote:
> 
> >Vladimir wrote:
> >
> >> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> >> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> >> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> >> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> >> > > > me too please.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> >> ME TOO Vladimir    alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
> >
> >me too: gbrink@dds.nl
> mee too: giardini@telnetwork.it
me too carlos@voy.net



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Date: 1997/02/22
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Vladimir wrote:
> 
> kpatnett wrote:
> >
> > ted riggs wrote:
> > >
> > > me too theodore@bridge.net
> > >
> > > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
> > > attach it to
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> > > thread.
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >me too
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > me too
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > > me too please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.sume to hommels@pi.net



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From: djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/24
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me too
djntril@primenet.com






"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:



>me too theodore@bridge.net

>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >Elisar wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
><richardf@earthlink.net>
>> >> >> > >wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> >> >> > >>> >
>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
><buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >>> >
>> >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
>attach it to
>> >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
>thread.
>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>> >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>> >> >> > >>> > >
>> >> >> > >>> Me Too!
>> >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >me too
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > me too
>> >> >>
>> >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>> >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>> >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>> >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>> me too please.
>> 
>> 





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From: "shawn" <smize@vroklahoma.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/02/25
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me too

Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote in article
<330CA03E.54F4@tadi.tomsk.su>...
> kpatnett wrote:
> > 
> > ted riggs wrote:
> > >
> > > me too theodore@bridge.net
> > >
> > > rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
<5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> > > > Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Elisar wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> > > Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> > > <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> >> > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> > > <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> >
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me
to
> > > attach it to
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer
this
> > > thread.
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >>> > >
> > > > >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> > > > >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >me too
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > me too
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> > > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> > > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> > > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> > > > me too please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> ME TOO Vladimir    alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
> 



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Date: 1997/02/25
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Harold Alley jr. wrote:
> 
> Infiltrator wrote:
> >
> > jung hyun wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9 Feb 1997 17:36:55 GMT, agathon@sci.fi (Agathon Frosteus) wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>, Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> > > >>
> > > >>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh <richardf@earthlink.net>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT <buttmunch@beevis.com>
> > > >>>> > wrote:
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> > > >>>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to attach it to
> > > >>>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this thread.
> > > >>>> > >>
> > > >>>> > >> End age discrimination!
> > > >>>> > >>
> > > >>>> > >
> > > >>>> Me Too!
> > > >>>>   sssi@erols.com
> > > >>
> > > >>me too
> > > >>
> > > >>e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> > > >>
> > > >me too
> > >
> > > me too
> > > email   " webcyber@taeback.kornet.nm.kr
> > me too!!
> >me too!! email "ataripc@2die4.com"
me too



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me too



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From: launchba@ecid.cig.mot.com (Phil Launchbury)
Subject: Re: Forgery Alert!  (Bill Palmer Name and Address)
Date: 1997/02/26
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dave@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe) wrote:


>Content based _forgery_ Stephe? Methinks you've been 
>sitting too close to the microwave again. 

Nahh.. he wasn't inside it. Must be the funny mushrooms that grow out of
the walls of his apartment...

Phil.




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On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:

>me too
>djntril@primenet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>me too theodore@bridge.net
>
>>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article <5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
>>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Elisar wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
>>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
>><richardf@earthlink.net>
>>> >> >> > >wrote:
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>>
>>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>> >
>>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
>><buttmunch@beevis.com>
>>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>> >
>>> >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me to
>>attach it to
>>> >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
>>thread.
>>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>>> >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>>> >> >> > >>> > >
>>> >> >> > >>> Me Too!
>>> >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > >me too
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > me too
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>>> >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>>> >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>>> >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>>> me too please.
>>> 
>>> 
>
>me too please rdnt@music.macarthur.uws.edu.au



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From: enilio@soback.kornet.nm.kr (Emilio Ko)
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker (Vladimir made 2 posts from alkor@tadi.tomsk.su - Send lots of made up keys)
Date: 1997/03/03
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On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:54:23 GMT, NiceGuy�@WorldwideX.com (NiceGuy�)
wrote:

>Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote:
>
>>kpatnett wrote:
>>> 
>>> ted riggs wrote:
>>> >
>>> > me too theodore@bridge.net
>
>>> > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>>> > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>>> > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>>> > > me too please.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
>>me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
>me too (Gracias!)




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From: "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker
Date: 1997/03/04
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Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
> 
> >me too
> >djntril@primenet.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
> >
> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
<5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> >Elisar wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
> >>> >> >> > >
> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
> >>> >> >> > >
> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
> >>> >> >> > >>>
> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> > >>> >
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me
to
> >>attach it to
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
> >>thread.
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >>
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >>
> >>> >> >> > >>> > >
> >>> >> >> > >>> Me Too!
> >>> >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
> >>> >> >> > >
> >>> >> >> > >me too
> >>> >> >> > >
> >>> >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
> >>> >> >> > >
> >>> >> >> > me too
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
> >>> >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> >>> >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> >>> >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> >>> me too please.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >
> >me too please rdnt@music.macarthur.uws.edu.au
> me too risavi@bigfoot.com



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From: Jonathan <jchan@netrover.com>
Subject: Re: ADULTCHECK Keymaker (Vladimir made 2 posts from alkor@tadi.tomsk.su - Send lots of made up keys)
Date: 1997/03/04
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Emilio Ko wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:54:23 GMT, NiceGuy�@WorldwideX.com (NiceGuy�)
> wrote:
> 
> >Vladimir <alkor@tadi.tomsk.su> wrote:
> >
> >>kpatnett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ted riggs wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > me too theodore@bridge.net
> >
> >>> > > >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
> >>> > > >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
> >>> > > >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
> >>> > > me too please.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> me too plz kpatnett@flash.net
> >>me too vladimir alkor@tadi.tomsk.su
> >me too (Gracias!)
me too jchan@netrover.com



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From: "Richard Y. Knight" <rknight@eden.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/06
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Peter da Silva wrote:
> 
> This article, as usual, is a deliberate and malicious fraud.
> --
> 
>              The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH.
> 
>                   Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'
	I'm probably going to regret this.  Now, I'm not new to newsgroups, but
I'm new to the news hierarchy.  Firstly, I have a question to Peter da
Silva about his .sig.  
	Is "The Reverend" a designation of clergy, a pun on hierarchy, or do
you see the Usenet as a hierocracy?
	Secondly, your use of "...deliberate and malicious fraud.".  Well, yes,
fraud is always deliberate, but what is the context?  When you cry
"fraud!", please 
	1)  Explain the deception.  So far, I have facts as Ricardo 	Hector
Gonzales communicates them, I need similiar facts from 	you to make an
informed decision.  Preferably, use logic.  I do 	account for emotions
such as "It's just bad.", but I give a 	greater weight to logical
facts.  
	2)  What is the objective?  To gain power?  Or to destroy the 	ruling
"cabal"?  One is fraud, the other rebellion.  
	3)  How is this unfair or unlawful?  What are the laws?  
	If there are no laws, how is it not just?  Or how is it biased?  	Is it
unethical?  Why?  What are the ethics in this 	circumstance?  
Well, thanks, and have a nice, no, a VERY nice day!
-- 
-Richard
	Flames redirected to /dev/null
	Unrequested advertisements redirected to FCC per
US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), "a computer/modem/printer meets the
def. of a telephone fax machine."
Sec.227(b)(1)(C) "it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement
to such equipment."
Sec.227(b)(3)(C) "punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss,
or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."
	Crashing bores get fsck-ed!  (Unix joke)
	More and wierder stuff will happen as soon as I figure out procmail.



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Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
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On 6 Mar 1997 23:23:23 GMT, peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:

>This article, as usual, is a deliberate and malicious fraud.

But it IS good for some laughs.   Or, rather, it _would_ be if it
wasn't for the outside chance that somebody out there might be silly
enough to take ANY of it seriously.

Where do these jokers come from?

-- Rick
---------
** Recycle Spammers!  (They make great compost.) **



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On 4 Mar 1997 08:31:31 GMT, "Chris" <risavi@bigfoot.com> wrote:


mee tooooo    kenmert@aol.com
>
>
>Me@home.com ���g�J��D�D <33196dbe.1427638@news.netro.com.au>...
>> On 24 Feb 1997 08:45:19 -0700, djntril@primenet.com (DJ Mayhem) wrote:
>> 
>> >me too
>> >djntril@primenet.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"ted riggs" <theodore@bridge.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>me too theodore@bridge.net
>> >
>> >>rhughes@INETWORLD.NET wrote in article
><5e5dva$cpf@frog.inetworld.net>...
>> >>> Chris Farmer <CybrWzrd@netins.net> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> >Elisar wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> bray <Bray@castle.net.au> wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> >GoD.EWH wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Agathon Frosteus wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > In article <32febc02.4393590@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de>,
>> >>Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk (Allan Kristoffersen) says:
>> >>> >> >> > >
>> >>> >> >> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:36:27 -0800, MaSiAh
>> >><richardf@earthlink.net>
>> >>> >> >> > >wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > >
>> >>> >> >> > >>me tooreminiscing wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > >>>
>> >>> >> >> > >>> Jung ho-chul wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > >>> >
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:13:17 -0800, RinK RaT
>> >><buttmunch@beevis.com>
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > >>> >
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >The Nine of Swords wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> > I have and adultcheck key maker.  If you want me
>to
>> >>attach it to
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> an email to you, just write "me too" and answer this
>> >>thread.
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >> End age discrimination!
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >>
>> >>> >> >> > >>> > >
>> >>> >> >> > >>> Me Too!
>> >>> >> >> > >>>   sssi@erols.com
>> >>> >> >> > >
>> >>> >> >> > >me too
>> >>> >> >> > >
>> >>> >> >> > >e-mail Allan_Kristoffersen@dk-online.dk
>> >>> >> >> > >
>> >>> >> >> > me too
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> me too:  god.ewh@correo.com
>> >>> >> >me too bray@castle.net.au
>> >>> >> me too elisar@u.arizona.edu
>> >>> >me too cybrwzrd@netins.net
>> >>> me too please.
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >
>> >me too please rdnt@music.macarthur.uws.edu.au
>> me too risavi@bigfoot.com




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From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/07
Message-ID: <5fp98t$ci3@web.nmti.com>#1/1
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Organization: Network/development platform support, NMTI
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In article <331F91C5.5CF7@eden.com>,
Richard Y. Knight <rknight@eden.com> wrote:
> 	Is "The Reverend" a designation of clergy, a pun on hierarchy, or do
> you see the Usenet as a hierocracy?

It's a protest against the actions of one Steve Winter, who claims to be
a minister but refuses to provide any evidence that he's any such thing, and
who engages in a wide variety of abusive behaviours on the net.

I took advantage of the Universal Life Church's convenient and free service
and had myself ordained. There's quite a few of us doing this, and you know
what... there hasn't been a peep out of Winter in news.admin.misc or in
news.admin.censorship since we started.

> 	1)  Explain the deception.

There have been several lengthy replies to his posting, conveniently archived
in Dejanews and Altavista news. I've pointed out several of the more obvious
deceptions on previous responses, but it gets tiresome pointing out the same
things month after month. I'm sure that you can find them as easily as I.

> 	2)  What is the objective?  To gain power?  Or to destroy the 	ruling
> "cabal"?  One is fraud, the other rebellion.  

The objective is, so far as I can tell, simply to gain notoriety. Apparently
he got ticked off over the response to a spam from some site he or one of his
buddies are associated with, but by now he must realise that he's not going
to get any great following for his campaign.

As for the cabal, well, it's harder to imagine a less organized organization
could exist... I simply choose not to believe in it.

I've given up trying to change the way newsgroups are created, for example,
because there's nobody willing to take charge and update the group creation
guidelines. My alternate group creation methods are well tested, and have
the support of the majority of the "cabal", but still this "cabal" can't
act. If it's unable to do something so simple, how can it possibly be in
charge?

Ironicly I got a message from Dave Lawrence after I'd already started working
on my alternative hierarchies suggesting that I run an RFD/CFV for my proposal.
That would probably work, since it *doesn't* involve any cabal taking action,
but I'd already picked a new route.

> 	3)  How is this unfair or unlawful?  What are the laws?  

It misleads people into believing that behaviour like unsolicited bulk email
and carpetbombing newsgroups is acceptable. This behaviour has no natural
limit short of the carrying capacity of Usenet, and without opposition all
newsgroups would look like the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica cesspool, leaving
it impossible to engage in discussions either via Usenet or Email.
-- 

             The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH.

                  Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'



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From: pavanas@nomina.ccia.com (pavanas)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/07
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On Thu, 06 Mar 1997 21:55:49 -0600, Richard Y. Knight <rknight@eden.com> 
hath written:
>Peter da Silva wrote:
>> 
>> This article, as usual, is a deliberate and malicious fraud.
>> --
>> 
>>              The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH.
>> 
>>                   Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'
>	1)  Explain the deception.  So far, I have facts as Ricardo 	Hector
>Gonzales communicates them, I need similiar facts from 	you to make an
>informed decision.  Preferably, use logic.  I do 	account for emotions
>such as "It's just bad.", but I give a 	greater weight to logical
>facts.
>
would it be helpful to know that Ricardo (in whatever persona) considers
the Unabomer his hero? and at times he has appeared to work in concert
with Steve Winter.

  
-- 
IHS
pavanas
        Successful and fortunate crime is called virtue.
                                 Lucius Annaeus Seneca



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From: JOWazzoo <CDL@NO-UCEconcentric.SPAMnet>
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/07
Message-ID: <332062DE.781@NO-UCEconcentric.SPAMnet>#1/1
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To: "Richard Y. Knight" <rknight@eden.com>
Organization: Fight Internet Spam Today (FIST)
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Richard Y. Knight wrote:
> 
> Peter da Silva wrote:
> >
> > This article, as usual, is a deliberate and malicious fraud.
> > --
> >
> >              The Reverend Peter da Silva, ULC, COQO, BOFH.
> >
> >                   Har du kramat din varg, idag? `-_-'
>         I'm probably going to regret this.  Now, I'm not new to newsgroups, but
> I'm new to the news hierarchy. 

For new readers to this/these Newsgroup(s) (news.admin.net-abuse.*):

1 - There is _NO_ cabal (tm,sm,r,(c)) - OKAY!!!!!!!
2 - This not an/the official FAQ - it is ricardo@paranoia.com (Ricardo
Hector Gonzales) FAQ.
    Anyone can write a FAQ, but that does not mean that it is worth
reading.
3 - Go to Dejanews and read all of the threads that have been posted in
response to this frequently posted     "FAQ" (FPFAQ)
4 - go back to 1 and read all
 
-- 
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Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/07
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Peter da Silva wrote:
> 
> In article <331F91C5.5CF7@eden.com>,
> Richard Y. Knight <rknight@eden.com> wrote:
> >       Is "The Reverend" a designation of clergy, a pun on hierarchy, or do
> > you see the Usenet as a hierocracy?
> 
> It's a protest against the actions of one Steve Winter, who claims to be
> a minister but refuses to provide any evidence that he's any such thing, and
> who engages in a wide variety of abusive behaviours on the net.
> 
> I took advantage of the Universal Life Church's convenient and free service
> and had myself ordained. There's quite a few of us doing this, and you know
> what... there hasn't been a peep out of Winter in news.admin.misc or in
> news.admin.censorship since we started.


Me too!!
Do they have a www URL?
I want to be a minister too!!
-- 
To e-mail me, remove spam blocker NO-UCE & SPAM
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From: caprina@cuug.ab.ca (Capri)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Introduction to Net Abuse
Date: 1997/03/07
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>> 
>> It's a protest against the actions of one Steve Winter, who claims to be
>> a minister but refuses to provide any evidence that he's any such thing, and
>> who engages in a wide variety of abusive behaviours on the net.

Tell me about it! He's been such a pain in the neck in 
alt.religion.Christian and I tried putting a stop to his infantile 
behavior but nothing helped at the time. Netcom didn't do anything about 
him, and he is postmaster at prime.org so that wasn't a go either. So, I 
gave up in frustration since I hadn't realized there were newsgroups 
covering net abuse yet - still sort of new to the net.>
> 
>> I took advantage of the Universal Life Church's convenient and free service
>> and had myself ordained. There's quite a few of us doing this, and you know
>> what... there hasn't been a peep out of Winter in news.admin.misc or in
>> news.admin.censorship since we started.

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I should check out alt.religion.Christian 
again to see if his ugly presence is still there. It's people like him 
that give others the totally wrong idea of what Christianity really is. 
he should be stopped. 

Capri



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Date: 1997/03/07
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It is only right that the Internet be a place of free speech
but many of us do not want to read the never ending post
of people in sales or money making schemes.

There is no doubt that the Maytag man may be so lonely
he wants to read the sales pitch, so I suggest this:
                                ***
If you are selling something or have some money making
scheme, from now on please type
$$$   as the first 3 characters in your subject area.
When we see the dollar signs in the subject area, we can
decide if we want to waste our time or not.
                                ***
Every one who gets this sales stuff and doesn't want it
should relay this letter to every one who sends sales stuff.
After a few months, the sales people will get the information
and if they don't put the $$$ in the left of their subject areas,
you can all join together and paste them with gobs of your
own junk mail.





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From: Christopher <soulthang@gshirts.com>
Subject: Re: Anti Spam Weapon
Date: 1997/03/07
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Sam Woodgeard wrote:
> 
> It is only right that the Internet be a place of free speech
> but many of us do not want to read the never ending post
> of people in sales or money making schemes.
> 
> There is no doubt that the Maytag man may be so lonely
> he wants to read the sales pitch, so I suggest this:
>                                 ***
> If you are selling something or have some money making
> scheme, from now on please type
> $$$   as the first 3 characters in your subject area.
> When we see the dollar signs in the subject area, we can
> decide if we want to waste our time or not.
>                                 ***
> Every one who gets this sales stuff and doesn't want it
> should relay this letter to every one who sends sales stuff.
> After a few months, the sales people will get the information
> and if they don't put the $$$ in the left of their subject areas,
> you can all join together and paste them with gobs of your
> own junk mail.


The sad thing is, everyone is trying to sell something on the net. You
want people to go to your site, and look at the great thing you have
done. The fact that some of us have ways to pay for our sites, whether
it be by paid sponsors, or advertising. When you put a netscape, or
Micosoft, or whom ever logo on your site....You have become commercial.
That logo is a ad...whether you like it or not. Using a server of a
establishment of higher education, is a paid site. That University is
your sponsor, and if that school receives tax monies, than I am a
sponsor of your site. Pay your own way....or shut up.


-- 
Christopher Cannon
soulthang@gshirts.com
http://www.gshirts.com



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"Sam Woodgeard" <usam@fairfieldi.com> wrote:

>If you are selling something or have some money making
>scheme, from now on please type
>$$$   as the first 3 characters in your subject area.
>When we see the dollar signs in the subject area, we can
>decide if we want to waste our time or not.

Oh, Sam, that would work if the spammers were willing to play by any rules.
But they're not. They'd rather sneak into your mailbox and your newsgroups.
They know that if you know it's spam you won't want to read it.




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From: andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/)
Subject: Re: Attention Limeys: Bombs Forthcoming
Date: 1996/11/22
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In alt.nuke.the.USA, Ken Ehrett (ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net) wrote:

>>>Although Ken, I can appreciate your desire to take sides with your fellow
>>>americans in this, I can see no need for you to side with the most miserable
>>>and pathetic dickhead on the group. You ought to consider dropping this one
>>>before you do yourself irrepairable long term damage.

> Oh yeah, sound advice coming from the fuckwit who came to the defense of
> Koopman's racist tirades on the Olympic games 

...tirades which were clearly marked "TROLL" but nonetheless had 
you dull cunts going for a week.....

>not to mention the Clog-fuck twins.  

Far from "Defending" them/him it was in fact I that single-handedly
developed, presented and maintained The Duality for a whole year - 
to the extent that they actually went as far as producing their ID 
cards and bus passes to me in person. They still have them posted
on the web for chrissake. Go take a look at their page.

The Clog-Duality was one on the longest running flame wars in antU
history and has since passed into legend. It was an epic campaign 
of flame that touched and left it's mark on every person connected 
with antU - a master flame. 

About the best flame war you've ever created is the one where everybody 
killfiled you out of boredom after your second post on whatever the 
subject was.  Now fuck off and find something interesting to talk about 
before I do the same.

> now you're starting to dig.  

Yeah I saw that list of crap jokes months ago. You can't even create
your own analogies so you resort to copying shit from "Every Under-
graduate's Guide To Boring The Shit Out Of People At Student Parties" 
and copying it to Usenet like an excited pipe-smoking fresher on a 
virtual wag week wheez.

Andrew/
                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
		   	  Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged



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CHRIST SODOMIZER wrote:
> 
> [ Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:08:36 -0500 ] SATAN SODOMIZER
> <satansucks@christnet.com> said:
> 
> >I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THE PATHETIC SATANISTS POSTING THIS SHIT, FOR
> >THE MOST PART IN UNRELATED NEWSGROUPS.  DO YOU THINK YOU'RE IMPRESING
> >ANYBODY?  DO YOU THINK WE CARE?  SO WHAT IF YOU HATE CHRISTIANS, HOW
> >ABOUT HATING THEM SILENTLY AND STOP THIS SENSLESS BICKERING WITH THEM.
> >THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE AND VICE VERSA.  I THINK
> >EVERYONE IS GETTING JUST A TAD TIRED OF ALL OF THIS POINTLESS
> >CROSSPOSTING.  AND YOU CHRISTIANS, JUST IGNORE THESE POSTS.  YOU'RE
> >PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR LITTLE CHILDISH GAME BY DIGNIFYING THESE
> >ATTACKS WITH A RESPONSE.
> 
> I feel sorry for all the Christians who are deluded into believing
> that we care about impressing them, or making them care, or making
> them think.  We are here to destroy.
> 
> GOAT



Your conyinued Spamming has been forwarded to news.admin.net-abuse. Have
a nice day.



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thunderr wrote:
> 
> CHRIST SODOMIZER wrote:
> >
> > [ Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:08:36 -0500 ] SATAN SODOMIZER
> > <satansucks@christnet.com> said:
> >
> > >I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THE PATHETIC SATANISTS POSTING THIS SHIT, FOR
> > >THE MOST PART IN UNRELATED NEWSGROUPS.  DO YOU THINK YOU'RE IMPRESING
> > >ANYBODY?  DO YOU THINK WE CARE?  SO WHAT IF YOU HATE CHRISTIANS, HOW
> > >ABOUT HATING THEM SILENTLY AND STOP THIS SENSLESS BICKERING WITH THEM.
> > >THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE AND VICE VERSA.  I THINK
> > >EVERYONE IS GETTING JUST A TAD TIRED OF ALL OF THIS POINTLESS
> > >CROSSPOSTING.  AND YOU CHRISTIANS, JUST IGNORE THESE POSTS.  YOU'RE
> > >PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR LITTLE CHILDISH GAME BY DIGNIFYING THESE
> > >ATTACKS WITH A RESPONSE.
> >
> > I feel sorry for all the Christians who are deluded into believing
> > that we care about impressing them, or making them care, or making
> > them think.  We are here to destroy.
> >
> > GOAT
> 
> Your conyinued Spamming has been forwarded to news.admin.net-abuse. Have
> a nice day.

HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny. Go to Deja and see all of the posts about him
to new.admin.net-abuse.
-- 

Yes, at one time god tried to guide me, but through the bright light I
could not see where he was leading me. Then I became one with the
darkness. It helped me to filter out the light, to see past the light,
to see where I was being guided, it was then that I saw the light was
trying to lead me off a cliff.
Email: llinux@gwbbs.northeast.net



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From: root@altairiv.demon.co.uk (root)
Subject: Re: Andwew/ the Net-Cop Drooler -- Part 2
Date: 1996/11/23
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R a i d e r (raider@super.zippo.coz) wrote:

: }:>As for your forgery you cannot deny it. You forged posts not only from
: }:>my domain (which you spelled correctly BTW, thus ensuring that it would 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: }:>be picked up by junk mailers. That _was_ your intention wasn't it?) 

: The "We Brits are Losers" post listed andwew@altairiv.demon.co.uk as the
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: sender and reply to address.  Notice it says "andwew", NOT "andrew", so your
: claim I spelled it correctly is BULLSHIT.  


Don't insult the groups' intelligence by assuming that they are all
as thick as you. As you confirm above you did spell my DOMAIN NAME
correctly - thus ensuring that my site would be flooded with spam
and junk mail as was your intention.  

For chrissake you idiot you have just ADMITTED to it, and then you say 
I am talking bullshit. Maybe you are operating under some new and hitherto
undiscovered meaning of the word "bullshit", maybe you are living in a 
world of your own where all normal meanings are automatically reversed. 

You appear to be trying to blame me for every bad thing that's ever happened
to your computer when all I ever did was reply to your first few unsolicited
spam e-mails by asking you not to ever e-mail me again. This has obviously
upset you to a great extent. I imagine that your ego was bruised when you 
met someone who doesn't think that the entire world revolves around you and
your egomania. 

You are a very stupid man if you expect anybody to believe your drivel. 
Your series of posts is full of lies as the above example conclusively 
demonstrates. I am not going to waste my time providing a rebuttul. I only 
provide this as the most glaring example of the blatancy of your lying. 

You obviously have no idea of how a computer system works, as belied 
by the fact that you don't even know the difference between a user 
and a domain name. I am not going to waste anymore of my time in trying
to explain the intracies of sendmail to you - go read a book about
it - but because of your self-confessed forging antics I still recieve 
spam addressed to andwew, spam which my machine has to download before 
bouncing it to the robot sources. Any more of your lies, anymore of your 
forgeries and I shall create a andwew account here and put a .forward file 
into its home directory.  You can amuse yourself by trying to guess what 
address I shall be putting into said .forward file. (BTW I suggest you ask 
somebody who knows about computers what a .forward file does).




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Forgery and libel from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/24
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in <UwGgeDATYzlyEwpo@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:

the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only the
recent libel and demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens
of forgeries from demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the libel and forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/24
Message-ID: <329dc77d.39093513@nntp.netcruiser>#1/1
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in <pgRvqGAOkzlyEwvP@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:

the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only the
recent libel and demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens
of forgeries from demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the libel and forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Nora and indecency Re: NORA SNOOKERS LYMAN
Date: 1996/11/24
Message-ID: <3299c59b.38610939@nntp.netcruiser>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 198364905
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in <n6$MMNA3o5lyEwOe@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, FyRE
<FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:

oh look, it's fyre, the demon forger again.

the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only the
recent libel and demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens
of forgeries from demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the libel and forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: legi0n@.dimensional.com (James G. Keegan, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Forgery and libel from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/24
Message-ID: <578ufa$8e3@nova.dimensional.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 198392038
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organization: Dimensional Communications
x-from: change the "legi0n" to "legion".
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In article <329ac6bb.38899023@nntp.netcruiser>,
james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>in <UwGgeDATYzlyEwpo@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
>jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
>posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
>so many past forgeries over the years.
>
>i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only the
>recent libel and demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens
>of forgeries from demon over the years.
>
>in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
>some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
>management itself.
>
>there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
>to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:
>
> -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
>    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
>    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
>    request to demon that the libel and forgeries stop.
>
> -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
>     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.
>
>this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
>demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
>convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
>it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
>of some sites which would surely be an improvement.
>
>finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
>the net.world.
>
>just a suggestion.

I hate to break it to you, jimmy, but people posting to usenet can use any
handle they choose. Now be a good little netcop and fuck off.

-James G. Keegan, Jr., fuckhead at large
-- 
         "Kook of the month implies no evaluation of mental status."
                            -- Andrew Beckwith
                             alt.usenet.kooks



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Subject: Re: An explanation of the net.whiners
Date: 1996/11/24
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In article <329b8ee9.12328697@nntp.netcruiser>, "james g. keegan jr."
<jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> writes
>james g keegan jr <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[...]
>the preceeding post was not mine

There's really no fooling you, is there?

chuckle.

-- 
james g. keegan jr

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/



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From: "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Nora and indecency Re: NORA SNOOKERS LYMAN
Date: 1996/11/24
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In article <3299c59b.38610939@nntp.netcruiser>, "james g. keegan jr."
<jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> writes
>in <n6$MMNA3o5lyEwOe@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, FyRE
><FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>oh look, it's fyre

no shit? add a curly pipe, deerstalker and hansom cab and you've
got the basis of a damned fine who-dunnit series...

-- 
james g. keegan jr

Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/



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From: mikel@pitpony.demon.co.uk (Mike Leary)
Subject: Re: Nora and indecency Re: NORA SNOOKERS LYMAN
Date: 1996/11/25
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In article <3299c59b.38610939@nntp.netcruiser>,
	jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.) writes:
> in <n6$MMNA3o5lyEwOe@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, FyRE
> <FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> oh look, it's fyre, the demon forger again.
> 
> the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
> posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
> so many past forgeries over the years.

Kindly explain how a post that doesn't even mention your name, in either
the header or body, can possibly be posted in your name.

[...]
>  -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
>      postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.

They're all laughing at you, Keegan.


MikeL



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From: demitrio@netcom.com (Suzanne Demitrio)
Subject: Continuing net abuse from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/25
Message-ID: <demitrioE1Eo3A.54B@netcom.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 198513612
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In article <329dc77d.39093513@nntp.netcruiser>,
james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>in <pgRvqGAOkzlyEwvP@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
>jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
>posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
>so many past forgeries over the years.

Including fifteen this week ....


   AUTHOR PROFILE: "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk>

     _________________________________________________________________

     * 15 articles posted between 1996/11/16 and 1996/11/24.
                
      [source: DejaNews]

> -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
>     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.

I've done so, and they haven't responded at all.  Has anyone else seen
a response?



 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia Demitrio                      demitrio@netcom.com





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Subject: Re: Yes, It's get rich quick, but it REALLY works!  I promise
Date: 1996/11/25
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Scott Luchetti wrote:
> 
> Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
> 
>  The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
>  think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
>  That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
>  make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
>  whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
>  coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
>  Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
>  AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.
> 

 Your post has been forwarded to:

        Bureau of Consumer Protection (dmedine@ftc.gov)
        Fraud Dept. of IRS (1040fraud@irs.gov)
        National Fraud Information Center (nfic@internetmci.com)

These agencies are interested in unreported taxable income and
fraud in general. In your posting you claimed large incomes
- this will be of interest to the IRS - you can look forward to an
audit.

Your postmaster has also been notified of your actions - legal or
otherwise -
you can probably look forward to a warning, or possibly, having your
account closed.

Beware the Usenet Avengers. Your kind will be tolerated no longer.

************************************************************************************************************************************************

For your information, in addition to being an *INCREDIBLY ANNOYING SPAM
AND AN ABUSE OF USENET ACCESS PRIVILEGES* [ever hear of something
called "netiquette"?  I didn't think so.], this type of scheme *IS*
illegal.  It's called a "pyramid' or "Ponzi" scheme.  The reason it's
illegal is because only the first few "tiers" of the pyramid can
actually make any money.  Since everyone sends money to 5 people, and
they all have to send money to five people, etc., you very soon exceed
the entire population of the planet, let alone the internet.  Kind of
looks like this:

        Tier#           # of people involved
          1                     1
          2                     5
          3                     25
          4                     125
          5                     625
          6                     3,125
          7                     15,625
          8                     78,125
          9                     390,625
         10                     1,953,125
         11                     9,766,625
         12                     48,828,125
         13                     244,140,625
         14                     1,220,703,125
         15                     6,103,515,625

Anyhow, these schemes are most definitely illegal.  As an added bonus,
since they are transmitted via telephone wires, they may be prosecuted
under federal wire fraud statutes.  Fun, huh?  If you *REALLY* want to
get nasty, any wire fraud which constitutes a "pattern" can *ALSO* be
prosecuted under the federal RICO provisions which provide for wonderful
things such as triple damages and confiscation of property.  Oh boy!  If
you think you're poor *NOW*...

BTW, many people who read this crap have a strange habit of reporting it
to the originator's ISP, who, since they don't want any collateral
liability, tend to close down the offender's internet account.  Funny
how life works, isn't it?

Nemesis is the ancient Greek Goddess of Revenge, Retribution, and
Inevitable Consequences.



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Continuing net abuse from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/25
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in <demitrioE1Eo3A.54B@netcom.com>, demitrio@netcom.com
(Suzanne Demitrio) wrote:

: In article <329dc77d.39093513@nntp.netcruiser>,
: james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: 
: >in <pgRvqGAOkzlyEwvP@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
: >jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >
: >the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
: >posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
: >so many past forgeries over the years.
: 
: Including fifteen this week ....
: 
: 
:    AUTHOR PROFILE: "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk>
: 
:      _________________________________________________________________
: 
:      * 15 articles posted between 1996/11/16 and 1996/11/24.
:                 
:       [source: DejaNews]
: 
: > -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
: >     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.
: 
: I've done so, and they haven't responded at all.  Has anyone else seen
: a response?

as far as i know, demon has *never* responded to any
complaint, and i know of dozens of people who have made
complaints.



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From: Spark The Heretic <tjmiller@nwark.com>
Subject: Re: Continuing net abuse from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/25
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Suzanne Demitrio wrote:
> 
> In article <329dc77d.39093513@nntp.netcruiser>,
> james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >in <pgRvqGAOkzlyEwvP@tiktok.demon.co.uk>, "james g. keegan
> >jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
> >posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
> >so many past forgeries over the years.

[...]

> 
> I've done so, and they haven't responded at all.  Has anyone else seen
> a response?

They're probably sick and tired from hearing you and the other
keeganites cry "wolf" in the past. There's quite a large pile of other
sysadmins out there (nwark.com, my sysadmin for example) who can readily
support the fact that the Keeganite wanton netcopping, honest or not
(mostly not), has worn your collective credibility down to nil.

Granted Suze, these recent posts you speak of from demon.co are indeed
not from the James Keegan you worship, but I'm afraid you've burned your
own lifeline by supporting such lies from Keegan in the past whilst he
was netcopping falsely, and crying for help out here in Usenet will
garner you no pity.

-- 
*  _ __/|    TJ "Spark" Miller jr... Heretic in the Keeganite Church
*  \\'X.X'                           and accredited Jester of Lies
*  =(___)=                                                          
*      U     My opinions do not represent those of Sparky, a real   
*  MEOW!!!   neat denizen of alt.butt.harp who cooks a mean catfish.
      ____________________________________________________

"My center gives way, my right is pushed back, situation excellent;
 I am attacking." -Ferdinand Foch

      ____________________________________________________

"War is the realm of chance. No other human activity gives it 
greater scope; no other has such incessant and varied dealings with 
this intruder. Chance makes everything more uncertain and 
interferes with the whole course of events"

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Subject: Re: Continuing net abuse from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/25
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in <329a967b.708581@news.pacbell.net>, puresilk@usa.net
("Pure Silk") wrote:

: On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 02:54:45 GMT, demitrio@netcom.com (Suzanne
: Demitrio) wrote:
: 
: [...]
: 
: >     * 15 articles posted between 1996/11/16 and 1996/11/24.
: >                
: >      [source: DejaNews]
: >
: >> -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
: >>     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.
: >
: >I've done so, and they haven't responded at all.  Has anyone else seen
: >a response?
: >
: Chances are you won't be getting any responses from any demon
: postmasters..the best you may get is a very rude name-calling letter
: from Dave Williams..

that's the picture of demon, as i see it.




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Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/25
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In article <3297a32a.279673789@nntp.netcruiser>
    jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.) writes:

> truland@albany.net (David W. Truland) wrote:
> 
> : "Paul L. Allen" <pla@sktb.demon.co.uk> wrote, in article
> : <Cr83A0j030n@sktb.demon.co.uk>:
> : [...]
> : >We've tried to explain this patiently to you all before.  The domain
> : >demon.co.uk belongs to Demon Internet Services, just as pacbell.net
> : >belongs to your provider.  Unlike your provider though, Demon provides
> : >its subscribers with a whole FQDN of their own, a static IP address and
> : >the ability to run their own news system.  
> : 
> : This is the same for a static IP at any ISP. 
> 
> paul knows that.

But the person I was responding to clearly did not.  And it is also clear,
from your subsequent posts on the matter, that you do not fully understand
the service Demon sells.

I know that Mindspring (for instance) offer static IP.  They used to give
customers A records in the DNS, so that a customer's machine might be
fubar.mindspring.com.  But mindspring offer only POP mail and only give one
mailbox, so whilst you could ftp or telnet to that customer's machine as
fubar.mindspring.com, the only e-mail address associated with that machine
was fubar@mindspring.com.  Note the difference carefully - fubar.mindspring
versus fubar@mindspring.  I suspect (but haven't checked) that your and
Truland's Wizvax accounts operate in a similar manner.

Mindspring have subsequently changed things - customers do not get an A
record in the DNS, but they do still get a static IP address.  They've also
reorganized the mail system a bit, so that whilst fubar@mindspring.com
works, it is very slow and fubar@some-machine-I-don't-remember.mindspring.com
is the preferred address.

So we see that even with static IP and POP mail, ISPs can choose whether
or not to allocate an FQDN to a subscriber's machine.  Mindspring decided
not to do this any longer.  However, Demon don't give their subscribers
POP mail, they give them SMTP.  I did mention this in my last post, but
obviously you missed it or you would realize that you have no reason to
complain about posts from keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk.  As a full internet
host with SMTP mail and a static IP address, tiktok is perfectly entitled
by the relevant RFCs and by Demon's terms and conditions of use to have
as many usernames @tiktok as he/she chooses.

He is just as entitled to have keegan@tiktok as you are entitled to have
keegan@wizvax or keegan@ix.netcom.  Perhaps keegan is his girlfriend.  Or
his boyfriend.  Or his cat.  Or maybe it's a pseudonym he uses for posting
to certain groups.  It doesn't matter - the three things you can guarantee
are that it is not a forgery, not in contravention of the RFCs and not in
contravention of Demon's AUP.  Tiktok has a user with the username keegan
on his machine.

Oh, I've just seen one of his posts in demon.local.  It looks like he's
adopted the pseudonym james g keegan jr for use with that username.  I
suppose that could be a bit confusing if both of you post to the same
groups.  But the net has managed to cope with the likes of fsmith@nyu.edu
(Fred Smith) and fsmith@fubar.com (Fred Smith) quite happily.  You see, on
most of the net people are bright enough to be able to compare
"fsmith@nyu.edu" and "fsmith@fubar.com" and realize that they are not
identical.  I understand that your acolytes might have problems with this
sort of comparison, so I suggest you *occasionally* post followups to
tiktok's posts, in the groups affected but *no others* reminding your
brainless groupies that tiktok.demon.co.uk is not the same as ix.netcom.com.
Perhaps after enough repetition they will manage to be able to cope without
the reminders.

If tiktok had altered the headers to say keegan@wizvax.net or
keegan@ix.netcom.com then you might have cause for complaint.  Well, you
would have were it not for the fact that Demon's news-servers helpfully
insert extra X- headers identifying the true origin of the post.

> : >Your somebody is posting from
> : >TIKTOK.demon.co.uk, not demon.co.uk.  Tiktok.demon.co.uk is a full
> : >internet host in its own right.
> : 
> : Baloney.  You know very well that FyRE's machine does not have it's
> : own news feed and uses the one from demon.  If Tiktok were running
> : it's own server software, you might have a point but demon would still
> : have a responsibility since they are the conduit through which the
> : wrongdoing occurs.
> 
> paul knows that too.

I know no such thing.  I do know that many of Demon's customers running some
flavor of Unix *do* run their own full news server (often INN) because that
simplifies the operation of certain newsreaders (seems a bit like overkill
to me, but they insist that it's the best way to do it).  I have no evidence
to suggest that FyRE is *not* running a news server.  Of course, if he is
running one it may not accept connections from the outside world, but that
is his choice as newsmaster of an independent internet site.

As for Demon being the conduit, that is merely a matter of convenience.
Demon advise customers to use their news servers because it saves external
bandwidth, but there is no prohibition on downloading or uploading via
any other route.  There are public-access servers and mail2news gateways
all over the world, and FyRE is perfectly entitled to use them.

He presumably finds it more convenient to use the Demon servers.  Which is
handy for you, because Demon is one of the few ISPs anywhere that insert
extra X- headers identifying the true origin of posts which are passed to
its servers.

I imagine that if FyRE did use another method to post news your complaints
would be even louder because he could alter headers and there would be
nothing showing the true origin of the post.  It seems to me that Demon have
behaved very responsibly in this matter - all you have to do if one of your
followers gets confused is to point out the X- headers to them showing that
it really came from tiktok.demon.co.uk.

> does that make you wonder?

It does make me wonder why you persistently misunderstand all that is
explained to you.  It does make me wonder why you spam your garbage all
over usenet in a cry for attention.  I think your *real* complaint is that
he can post as keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk but you can't post as
FyRE@wizvax.net and you want to level the playing field.  Presumably your
next move will be to insist FyRE has a lobotomy to eliminate your other
disadvantage...
                                                                           
[Followups set, yet again, to the only relevant group in the list]

--Paul





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Subject: Re: How bout some of that easy money
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Phil wrote:
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> This works, I did it and have already received $575.00 in the past
> 1-1/2 weeks.
> ************************************************************************
> Hello!
> I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two
> minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some
> serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready to do
> almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill
> collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your

 Your post has been forwarded to:

        Bureau of Consumer Protection (dmedine@ftc.gov)
        Fraud Dept. of IRS (1040fraud@irs.gov)
        National Fraud Information Center (nfic@internetmci.com)

These agencies are interested in unreported taxable income and
fraud in general. In your posting you claimed large incomes
- this will be of interest to the IRS - you can look forward to an
audit.

Your postmaster has also been notified of your actions - legal or
otherwise -
you can probably look forward to a warning, or possibly, having your
account closed.

Beware the Usenet Avengers. Your kind will be tolerated no longer.

************************************************************************************************************************************************

For your information, in addition to being an *INCREDIBLY ANNOYING SPAM
AND AN ABUSE OF USENET ACCESS PRIVILEGES* [ever hear of something
called "netiquette"?  I didn't think so.], this type of scheme *IS*
illegal.  It's called a "pyramid' or "Ponzi" scheme.  The reason it's
illegal is because only the first few "tiers" of the pyramid can
actually make any money.  Since everyone sends money to 5 people, and
they all have to send money to five people, etc., you very soon exceed
the entire population of the planet, let alone the internet.  Kind of
looks like this:

        Tier#           # of people involved
          1                     1
          2                     5
          3                     25
          4                     125
          5                     625
          6                     3,125
          7                     15,625
          8                     78,125
          9                     390,625
         10                     1,953,125
         11                     9,766,625
         12                     48,828,125
         13                     244,140,625
         14                     1,220,703,125
         15                     6,103,515,625

Anyhow, these schemes are most definitely illegal.  As an added bonus,
since they are transmitted via telephone wires, they may be prosecuted
under federal wire fraud statutes.  Fun, huh?  If you *REALLY* want to
get nasty, any wire fraud which constitutes a "pattern" can *ALSO* be
prosecuted under the federal RICO provisions which provide for wonderful
things such as triple damages and confiscation of property.  Oh boy!  If
you think you're poor *NOW*...

BTW, many people who read this crap have a strange habit of reporting it
to the originator's ISP, who, since they don't want any collateral
liability, tend to close down the offender's internet account.  Funny
how life works, isn't it?

Nemesis is the ancient Greek Goddess of Revenge, Retribution, and
Inevitable Consequences.



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R a i d e r wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:05:06 GMT, andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/) wrote:
> 
> >About the best flame war you've ever created is the one where everybody
> >killfiled you out of boredom after your second post on whatever the
> >subject was.  Now fuck off and find something interesting to talk about
> >before I do the same.
> >
> >Andrew/
> >                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
> >                         Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged
> 
> Only pussies use a killfile.  How appropriate.

What's a killfile?



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From: puresilk@usa.net ("Pure Silk")
Subject: Re: Continuing net abuse from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/26
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On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 02:54:45 GMT, demitrio@netcom.com (Suzanne
Demitrio) wrote:

[...]

>     * 15 articles posted between 1996/11/16 and 1996/11/24.
>                
>      [source: DejaNews]
>
>> -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.net, 
>>     postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk, and your own postmaster.
>
>I've done so, and they haven't responded at all.  Has anyone else seen
>a response?
>
>
>
> 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Suzanne Lucia Demitrio                      demitrio@netcom.com
>
>
Chances are you won't be getting any responses from any demon
postmasters..the best you may get is a very rude name-calling letter
from Dave Williams..




"Pure Silk"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1574



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[ Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:45:31 +0000 ] thunderr <thunderr@ix.netco.mcom>
said:

>Your conyinued Spamming has been forwarded to news.admin.net-abuse. Have
>a nice day.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooweeee.

So what're they gonna do, put out the "Jesus Sez Don't Crosspost" FAQ?
Come on, you and I both know that place is run by a clusterfuck of
self-aggrandizing losers!

GOAT





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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Death Threats from Edward Gordon
Date: 1996/11/30
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posted and emailed

in <0000217e+00013afd@msn.com>, jbuzard@msn.com (jerilynn popp) wrote:

: Dear Talk.Abortion Readers:
: 
: This post is to inform you all that I have received two email letters 
: with death threats from Edward J. Gordon, in which Mr. Gordon accuses 
: me of having had abortions and tells me how he would like to kill us 
: both together so we could go to hell where we belong.  
: 
: It is a felony to threaten someone's life, either by mail or other 
: form of communication.  I am saving the emails as evidence and 
: investigating what type of legal action can be taken.
: 
: Mr. Gordon thinks it is wrong that I should live while innocent 
: fetuses die.  I never had an abortion, wrote anything to the effect 
: that I did, or even insulted the man.  I am completely stymied as to 
: where these threats and epithets are coming from.  Nonetheless, they 
: are coming and I want this cowardly type of stalking revealed and 
: denuded to all his peers.

he is not the first seemingly insane anti-choicer to do such things. i suggest
you cc your post to both of your postmasters and send copies of the e-mail
threats with full headers.

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From: "Rev. Donald Spitz" <pro-life@visi.net>
Subject: Re: Death Threats from Edward Gordon
Date: 1996/12/02
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Sounds more like a pro-abortion fanatic. Tired of murdering innocent 
babies not going after something else. And who to blame it on? An 
anti-abortionist who else. Anti-life baby haters are famous for this type 
of abuse.
  If you are serious about what you wrote you should check out who it 
really came from. It is easy to put someone return addresses on email and 
sent them through a blind post office.




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[ Wed, 4 Dec 1996 06:11:21 GMT ] red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E.
Depew) said:

>Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

Netcops do not help the problem.

>As a service to, and with the cooperation of, other news administrators,
>I run a program that searches for, and issues advisory cancels for,
>large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
>hierarchies.

Cancels are more bandwidth thrown after bad; do not be fooled by this
man's dishonesty.  Since he is obviously in moral danger, I have
included the following file to shock him out of his moral stupor.






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CHRIST SODOMIZER wrote:
> 
> [ Wed, 4 Dec 1996 06:11:21 GMT ] red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E.
> Depew) said:
> 
> >Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.
> 
> Netcops do not help the problem.

That depends; does Deja News appeal to, or disgust you?

Considering the content of your posts, the latter may be true.

> 
> >As a service to, and with the cooperation of, other news administrators,
> >I run a program that searches for, and issues advisory cancels for,
> >large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
> >hierarchies.
> 
> Cancels are more bandwidth thrown after bad;

'depends on how it's done.

> do not be fooled by this
> man's dishonesty.  Since he is obviously in moral danger,

This ought to be good... moral danger of what?

> I have
> included the following file to shock him out of his moral stupor.

So the file is.... where?

It never made it out of the chute.

-- 
      |             TJ "Spark" Miller jr.      
      n         Formerly of the 37th TFW, USAF.         _\/^\/_
 ___[(_)]___Now residing in the heart of the Ozarks.___/[]/_\[]\___ 
   o  O  o                                              *  *  *
      ____________________________________________________

"My center gives way, my right is pushed back, situation excellent;
 I am attacking." -Ferdinand Foch

      ____________________________________________________

"War is the realm of chance. No other human activity gives it 
greater scope; no other has such incessant and varied dealings with 
this intruder. Chance makes everything more uncertain and 
interferes with the whole course of events"

                  -Karl Von Clausewitz



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From: Stephen Boursy <boursy@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Problems with newsgroups
Date: 1996/12/05
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Jeffrey Maass wrote:
> 
> Carl H. Starrett II (chstarr@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: aga <aga@dhp.com> writes:
>: >
>: >Legal Notice:
>: >
>: >This is being forwarded to the Law Systems Institute and
>: >the Usenet Freedom Council for monitoring.  The medpot(c)
>: >foundation will provide the Attorneys for the Lawsuit if
>: >necessary, and this can be used as a good test case.
> 
>: This must be a troll.  On what legal basis could you possibly thing 
>: you could sue an ISP and force them to carry a newsgroup?
> 
> Carl, Carl: Grubor (aka 'aga') responds to a post from his buddy Boursy,
> wherein Stevie complains he can't read Grubor's own pet (and invalid)
> newsgroups on his ISP, and you think that thee is some doubt that it's a
> troll?

   It wasn't a troll at all.  Some asshole issued remove groups on 
these group during the Thanksgiving holiday.  Ziplink today added
them back with a promise to protect the groups (and to reevaluate
accepting remove groups) if it were to happen again.

   Currently I've nine providers--eight carry sci.med.cannabis
and misc.activism.cannabis including AOL, Earthlink, Ziplink,
dhp, thecia.net, etc.  The only provider that doesn't carry
it is MSN but they don't carry much of anything and no one
uses them for usenet anyway.  Other major providers such as GNN, 
IDT, etc. also carry the groups.  The only New England provider that 
has not pledged to carry any group a customer requests that I am
aware of is TIAC although they may very well carry these groups
as well.

    But thank you for your concern--UUNET rule and monopoly on
the primary product of usenet, newsgroups, is over and there
are only a few sys admins that bend over for them any more.

                           Steve



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Subject: Re: Problems with newsgroups
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Stephen Boursy wrote:
> 
> Jeffrey Maass wrote:
> >
> > Carl H. Starrett II (chstarr@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> >
> >: aga <aga@dhp.com> writes:
> >: >
> >: >Legal Notice:
> >: >
> >: >This is being forwarded to the Law Systems Institute and
> >: >the Usenet Freedom Council for monitoring.  The medpot(c)
> >: >foundation will provide the Attorneys for the Lawsuit if
> >: >necessary, and this can be used as a good test case.
> >
> >: This must be a troll.  On what legal basis could you possibly thing
> >: you could sue an ISP and force them to carry a newsgroup?
> >
> > Carl, Carl: Grubor (aka 'aga') responds to a post from his buddy Boursy,
> > wherein Stevie complains he can't read Grubor's own pet (and invalid)
> > newsgroups on his ISP, and you think that thee is some doubt that it's a
> > troll?
> 
>    It wasn't a troll at all.  Some asshole issued remove groups on
> these group during the Thanksgiving holiday.  Ziplink today added
> them back with a promise to protect the groups (and to reevaluate
> accepting remove groups) if it were to happen again.
> 
>    Currently I've nine providers--eight carry sci.med.cannabis
> and misc.activism.cannabis including AOL, Earthlink, Ziplink,
> dhp, thecia.net, etc.  The only provider that doesn't carry
> it is MSN but they don't carry much of anything and no one
> uses them for usenet anyway.  Other major providers such as GNN,
> IDT, etc. also carry the groups.  The only New England provider that
> has not pledged to carry any group a customer requests that I am
> aware of is TIAC although they may very well carry these groups
> as well.
> 
>     But thank you for your concern--UUNET rule and monopoly on
> the primary product of usenet, newsgroups, is over and there
> are only a few sys admins that bend over for them any more.
> 
>                            Steve


Thank Fluffy for that.



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In article <32A779DC.4FE1@earthlink.net>, Stephen Boursy
<boursy@earthlink.net> wrote:


>    Currently I've nine providers--eight carry sci.med.cannabis
> and misc.activism.cannabis including AOL, Earthlink, Ziplink,
> dhp, thecia.net, etc.

You need a like, badly!

-- 
Ed Foster
erfoster@ziplink.net



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From: chstarr@ix.netcom.com(Carl H. Starrett II)
Subject: Re: Problems with newsgroups
Date: 1996/12/07
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In <erfoster-ya023180000612962110580001@news.ziplink.net>
erfoster@zipnet.net (Ed Foster) writes: 
>
>In article <32A779DC.4FE1@earthlink.net>, Stephen Boursy
><boursy@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>    Currently I've nine providers--eight carry sci.med.cannabis
>> and misc.activism.cannabis including AOL, Earthlink, Ziplink,
>> dhp, thecia.net, etc.
>
>You need a like, badly!

He needs life too.  I wonder how much money and time he spends on the
internet.  Far too much, I think.
-- 
_________________________________________________________________
Carl H. Starrett II, Esq.                   chstarr@ix.netcom.com
                                   http://www.netcom.com/~chstarr



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Distribution: 

Carl H. Starrett II (chstarr@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <erfoster-ya023180000612962110580001@news.ziplink.net>
: erfoster@zipnet.net (Ed Foster) writes: 
: >
: >In article <32A779DC.4FE1@earthlink.net>, Stephen Boursy
: ><boursy@earthlink.net> wrote:
: >
: >
: >>    Currently I've nine providers--eight carry sci.med.cannabis
: >> and misc.activism.cannabis including AOL, Earthlink, Ziplink,
: >> dhp, thecia.net, etc.
: >
: >You need a like, badly!

: He needs life too.  I wonder how much money and time he spends on the
: internet.  Far too much, I think.

No, they (Boursy and Gruboor/Aga/DrG/<insert other alias here>) should spend
every hour on the 'Net. Otherwise, they might go out in the real world
where people might take them seriously. They could do some real damage
among normal society.
-- 
Jeff Maass       (jmaass@freenet.columbus.oh.us)      Amateur Radio K8ND
      USPSA/IPSC # L-1192   NROI/CRO          NW of Columbus Ohio



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From: "Wanderer" <wanderer@why.net>
Subject: Re: 1 4/\/\ 3L173!!!  G1\/3 /\/\3 \/\/@r3Z D00dZ!!!!!
Date: 1996/12/19
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The following was posted to the newsgroup alt.horror.werewolves.  Please
help us, as we are rapidly being buried beneath this rising tide of dross.

Yours beseechingly,

The exhausted,

-- 
Wanderer****************'Where am I going?I don't quite know.
****************************'What does it matter where people go?
wanderer@why.net'*****Down to the woods where the bluebells grow.
wanderer@whytel.com'*Anywhere!Anywhere!Idon't know!

Molly the Cat <molly@pop42.ayatollah.org> wrote in article
<59812j$e9n$1@news.inc.net>...
> tango@gatecom.com (Michael Zander) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32B4B185.792E@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> >Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> Please do not crosspost to rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc (RATMM) or
> >> alt.tv.mst3k (ATM).  These newsgroups were created for
> >> Mystery Science Theater 3000, NOT abortion, evil, flame, etc.
> >>  
> >> Crossposting unrelated newsgroups is intrusive and rude as well
> >> as a breach of net etiquette.
> >>  
> >> If every topic was meant to be discussed on every newsgroup, there
> >> would be no need for separate newsgroups.  Please respect this
> >> fact and newsgroup etiquette by not crossposting.
> >>  
> >> Thank you.
> 
> 
> >Hey, you are either a student or an employee at the University of
Michigan,
> >right?  Which means you're relatively intelligent, right?  Ok, so what
the
> >hell are you doing bitching about people crossposting when you posted
> >your reply to a shitload of groups?
> 
> >Or, are you just stupid?
> 
> She is affiliated with the U. of Michigan.  *Ergo* she is stupid.
> 
> BADGERS
> BADGERS
> BADGERS!!!!
> 
> meow.
> 
> (where's my catnip?)
> 
> 
> 



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From: Wayne Browning <info@homepagers.com>
Subject: Re: Bulk Mail Software
Date: 1996/12/24
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Mad Hatter wrote:
> 
> On 18 Dec 1996 03:08:21 GMT, jorge@mailloop.com spewed out the following :
> 
> >-:
> >-:Mailloop is bulk-mailing software that will revolutionize how
> >-:people advertise on the internet.
> >-:
> >-:See what all the fuss is about:
> >-:
> >-:http://www.mailloop.com
> >-:
> 
> you sure are trying to cover the bases here arent you jorge, leme gues if it
> says mail in the header you think they want your trash?
> 
> HINT ONE the people here are the ones who want your trash disposed of, net abuse
> is abuse plain and simple has nothing to do with having your own domain
> yourstill a piece of shit abuseing the net from another domain.
>>>>Corporations like anti-spammers as it forces out the little guy from enpowering himself by using e-mail to market good product that would otherwise never come to light. Have any of you anti-spanmmers ever considered this fact, or did you know it to be a fact. While there are those who would abuse welcome to life and its' natural order, there will abusers of all things. Those who take it upon themselves to police this are little more than narrow mindede manipulated corporate puppets
whom have not caught on to the fact that the internet is being bought
up. Soon only those who could afford big marketing dollars will benefit
the little guys will lose as other little guys flame them for trying to
succeed. So to all you well-intentioned anti-spammers please re-think
your strategy and realize that the people you are attacking are not
always con artisit but rather small business and home business trying
to use the power of the tool. don't let the corporations rule give us
space to enpower ourselves.
signed,
Future Watch
Enpower don't disarm.




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From: helie-@-helie.com (Ray Helie)
Subject: opinion on idea on hiding email addr from autobots
Date: 1996/12/24
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I've heard of a suggestion of how to hide your email at least from the
automatic programs that peruse the newsgroups. Change your "from" address
in the header, changing the '@' sign. This way it is more difficult to
scan for email addresses, since they no longer conform to the normal
format. But make it easy for others to figure out, so if they want to
respond personally to your posted message, then can still figure out your
actual email address. 

For example,  john@syscon.net could become:

john[]syscon.nt
john*syscon.nt
john[-]syscon.nt

etc.
Just make a different change than most people are doing(don't get too
predictable with your pattern) that makes it harder for the automated
programs that scan newsgroups to get a valid email address. It adds
another five seconds to someone who wants to respond via email to your
post, but hey, it adds hours of time for spammers to compile lists by hand
that would previously only have take them a couple of minutes.

Personally, I find this solution annoying, because why should we users
have to resort to this crap to avoid getting spammed by those thoughtless
people. Your only compensation is that it does at least make it much
harder for them to continue compiling their offensive lists.

Anyone have any opinions on this they care to share?
--
Note, to email to me, don't forget to change [-] to @
Ray Helie             |  Does your browser make your email address
helie*helie.com       |  available to web sites you visit? Go to:
helie*sprynet.com     |  http://www.helie.com/BrowserCheck/
http://www.helie.com/ |  to find that out, find out what you can do about
                      |  junk email, and more. 



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From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)
Subject: Re: Bulk Mail Software
Date: 1996/12/25
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Wayne Browning (info@homepagers.com) wrote:
: So to all you well-intentioned anti-spammers please re-think
: your strategy and realize that the people you are attacking are not
: always con artisit but rather small business and home business trying
: to use the power of the tool.

All you well intentioned spammers keep in mind that it's a two way medium
and as long as there's people who don't want you shoveling your crap at
them, they're going to say so. Since it happens to be the vast majority of
people who have any opinion on the matter, get ready for a pretty tough
future. You want one way communication, go to broadcast.

It's a very simple problem. You want to treat people in a way they don't
want to be treated. You want money and they want respect. You'll ignore them
for a long time, but they won't go away. You'll end up doing the PR job that
they'd like you to; you'll make yourself into the bad guy.



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From: "Mark A. Brandel" <markb@quiknet.com>
Subject: Re: Bulk Mail Software
Date: 1996/12/25
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A spammer spouts bullshit. It is very easy for the 'Little Guy' to join
the net. 99 percent of the spam I recieve is bullshit people trying to
scam a buck. Legitimate people usually get my attention with their
product or service and then ASK me if I WANT to be on their mail list,
IF I am interested I join.

Wayne Browning wrote:
....
> Enpower don't disarm.

-- 
Mark A. Brandel
markb@quiknet.com
"Reality is for those who can't handle science fiction"



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From: psalzman@landau.ucdavis.edu (Just Peter)
Subject: Re: Bulk Mail Software
Date: 1996/12/26
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: Future Watch
: Enpower don't disarm.

Future Watch,

Your argument is absolutely stupid and naive.  Here is the blatant hole 
in your garbage argument:

Once the "small companies" are all gone, we only have the few large
mega spam companies to deal with, right?

Well, once that happens, our sysadms can all block them, and then they'll
die too.

Case in point.  My school has blocked all email coming from the domain
moneyworld.com.  What do you think will happen to that company if
EVERYBODY blocked their email?

You can't have a billion blocked domains.  Better that we take action
into our own hands for the small guys, and let our school/company/what
ever take care of the rest.

Personally, I think we should send people who take advantage of free
USENET posting to advertise products to prison.  Then again, I know that
i'm somewhat of a radical on this point.

Peter

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From: A Concerned Netizen <anonymous@anonymous.com>
Subject: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/26
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For those that have been slandered, bullied, intimidated, and had lies
told about them in the interests of "full disclosure", "troll hunting",
"exposing of headerforgering", etc.  The following information is the
confirmed account information from which David Nixon (Tanya Strasburg)
is  posting from.

Name:  Antonia F. Strasburg (a/k/a David Nixon)
Address:  5500 N 36 Street
	  Arlington, Va. 22207
	  703-536-7995 	
	 E-mail: astrasbu@osf1.gmu.edu
	         astrasb1@osf1.gmu.edu
	         hellbringer@deathsdoor.com


This is the person who has:

- Admitted to forging headers, while "hunting" others down for doing the
same. 
- Tracks down public Usenet servers, and posts through them until they
are finally shut down.
- Claimed to be paid by others to track people down via the Internet.
- Has posed or "insinuated" to be associated with agencies or
universities - to silence and intimidate other posters who have opposed
him/her.
- Libeled, and Slandered others unrepentantly on Usenet - thus breaking
civil laws for which lawsuits are pending.
- Has lied relentlessly and publicly about his/her non-existent access
to ISP records in order to silence dissenters.
- Has lied shamelessly, and obviously, and has stated unconfirmed facts
and personal information regarding others, while under the impression
that his headerforging and email forwarding absolve him/her of his/her
responsibility.  This is bolstered by a claim that "other people post
his messages for him" while also claiming to be an elite hacker.

Do not be intimidated.  This is your Usenet.  There is no one entitled
to police, threaten, harass, or intimidate others from public Internet
Facilities.

Report further abuse to:    stop-it@gmu.edu   and		
		            postmaster@netforward.com	
	

Best of Luck, and Happy Holidays to everyone.

-- A Concerned Netizen



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From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)
Subject: Re: Bulk Mail Software
Date: 1996/12/27
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Just Peter (psalzman@landau.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: 
: Personally, I think we should send people who take advantage of free
: USENET posting to advertise products to prison.  Then again, I know that
: i'm somewhat of a radical on this point.

Prison? 

They can't pay the fines if they're in prison.

It's a fine idea, certainly, but the end of spam is nigh. 

It's in the courts and thefederal agency conference rooms as we speak.
The decision is determined. All that remains is how to write it up properly.
That and deciding if the fines set forth in USC 47 section 227 are
appropriate. These assholes waste a LOT of disk space when taken together.
It could well cost them a lot more than the $500 per.

Lock and load, folks. Keep them at bay until the ruling is handed down.
We ARE going to win this one. Very shortly.



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From: Troll Killer <troll+killer@mailmasher.com>
Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/27
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On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
<anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:

>For those that have been slandered, bullied, intimidated, and had lies
>told about them in the interests of "full disclosure", "troll hunting",
>"exposing of headerforgering", etc.  The following information is the
>confirmed account information from which David Nixon (Tanya Strasburg)
>is  posting from.
>
>Name:  
>Address:  
etc.


This latest offense (posting of personal information) by the DC Troll is a
complete disgrace, as well as a complete breach of Internet Protocol.  No
wonder he has to hide behind anonymous addresses.  His victims always have
verifiable return addresses, making him the ultimate hypocrite as well. 

The Troll's posts are exactly why the Net is headed for increased governmental
control.  Since he's part of the government, that's exactly what he wants.  It
would be hard to imagine a more cynical ploy.

Send your protests to postmaster@anonymous.com and include the Troll's
headers.  If anyone is able to expose this Troll's identity, in order to cause
him to cease and desist from his offenses, it would be appreciated by any and
all honest UseNet posters. 

From his post (some information may be forged):

Path:
news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!cliff
s.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!news2.digex.net!news
From: A Concerned Netizen <anonymous@anonymous.com>
Newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.misc,dc.general,news.admin.net-abuse,dc.politics,dc.roman
ce,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500
Organization: Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
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Xref: news.admin.net-abuse.misc:11156 dc.general:58340 dc.politics:23295
dc.romance:10493 talk.politics.guns:441611



Some previous "identities" (all forged addresses, check the UseNet archives)
of the DC Troll include:

"Mark" (mark@worldcom.com), "Joe" (joe888@metnoc.org) and (joe311@comnet.org)
and  joe312@comnet.org (Joe) and  joe412@conmet.org (Joe) and
"hasquith@dc.general" (Herbert Asquith) and "tmonk@dc.general" (Thelonious
Monk) and nobody@nowhere.com " (nobody); "Roland Reagan" (rreagan@gnn.fr) and
Joe686@aol.com and Joe868@aol.com and Joe797@aol.com and "spooky@spooky.net"
(Howlin' Wolf) and guyzel@aol.com and "menacing-emoticon" and "withheld" etc





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From: Lianne McNeil <jamesm@Hevaanet.com>
Subject: Re: opinion on idea on hiding email addr from autobots
Date: 1996/12/27
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Ray Helie wrote:
> 
> I've heard of a suggestion of how to hide your email at least from the
> automatic programs that peruse the newsgroups. 
(...)
It adds
> another five seconds to someone who wants to respond via email to your
> post, but hey, it adds hours of time for spammers to compile lists by hand
> that would previously only have take them a couple of minutes.
> 
> Personally, I find this solution annoying, because why should we users
> have to resort to this crap to avoid getting spammed by those thoughtless
> people. Your only compensation is that it does at least make it much
> harder for them to continue compiling their offensive lists.

I agree.

> Anyone have any opinions on this they care to share?

There is a (continually) ongoing discussion about this on
news.admin.net-abuse.email
That would be the best place to get ideas and opinions.

Lianne
--
Lianne or Jim McNeil                    jamesm @ hevanet.com
(Please note:  address in headers is spoofed to foil e-mail spammers.
 Remove extra vowel ("a") to reply.)





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Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/27
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On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
<anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:

>For those that have been slandered, bullied, intimidated, and had lies
>told about them in the interests of "full disclosure", "troll hunting",
>"exposing of headerforgering", etc.  The following information is the
>confirmed account information from which David Nixon (Tanya Strasburg)
>is  posting from.
>
>Name:  Antonia F. Strasburg (a/k/a David Nixon)

This is an interesting post, but an inaccuracy here needs to be
corrected -- David Nixon isn't "aka" Antonia Strasburg.   She is a
legitimate GMU student;  he is not.  Instead, somehow he got her to
let him use her account at GMU for his net access.   

The significance of this is that he isn't a GMU student, and thus is
stealing the bandwidth resources of a nonprofit institution for the
purposes of semi-anonymously harrassing others.   The use of GMU net
access by non-students is forbidden by GMU regulations, and the last
time he was doing this on a regular basis (through Antonia Strasburg's
account), GMU issued a "cease and desist" order to her, and he stopped
for a while.

His posts are again showing a GMU posting host however, meaning that
either Antonia Strasburg is ignoring this order, or he has found
another GMU student to steal net access through.

Whichever is the case, I'm certain that root@gmu.edu would be very
interested in seeing copies of any messages from him showing a
NNTP-Posting-Host at  gmu.edu.

I'm also certain that he is the person who falsified several posts
that purported to be from me after I left a message critical of
Scientology.  One of the falsified messages implicitly likened the
treatment of Scientologists in Germany to the Holocaust, which is both
utter nonsense and 100% Scientology party line.

Given that he knows how to falsify an entire header, including paths
(what a $m@rT HaCkEr1!1 ) It's a good idea to be very skeptical of the
origin of posts for a while until this situation is dealt with.  One
semi-reliable clue is to look for atrocious spelling and grammar, two
of his hallmarks.

Obviously, he's also not above lying through his teeth, so expect this
post to be met with denials, false accusations, and most likely forged
posts as well.  If anyone has any doubts as to where the facts lie,
see whether or not GMU administrators take you seriously when you show
them posts he's left from their resources.

By the way, although Antonia Strasburg is a putz for letting this guy
use her school account, posting her (or anyone else's) personal
information is out of line.   

It's too bad the immaturity of a single person forces people to waste
so much time on things like this.




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From: Troll Killer <troll+killer@mailmasher.com>
Subject: Re: Enough is enough.  Take back your Usenet.
Date: 1996/12/28
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On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:

>This is an interesting post, but an inaccuracy here needs to be
>corrected -- David Nixon isn't "aka" Antonia Strasburg.   She is a
>legitimate GMU student;  he is not. 

More characteristic troll lunacy... now he's answering himself.  What an
onanistic display.


>Whichever is the case, I'm certain that root@gmu.edu would be very
>interested in seeing copies of any messages from him showing a
>NNTP-Posting-Host at  gmu.edu.
>
>I'm also certain that he is the person who falsified several posts
>that purported to be from me

Well you're wrong, Joe.  He's not the one.  You owe him (and everyone, as per
usual) an apology.  You also owe it to the larger society to get off UseNet.

>Given that he knows how to falsify an entire header, including paths
>(what a $m@rT HaCkEr1!1 )

Well, however smart he is, he's not able to do that.  Neither are you.

>
>Obviously, he's also not above lying through his teeth, so expect this
>post to be met with denials, false accusations, and most likely forged
>posts as well. 

You're the one who lies, of course, and you're the one who NEVER posts through
an authentic address.   Your "big lie" technique isn't working, though, is it.


>By the way, although Antonia Strasburg is a putz for letting this guy
>use her school account, posting her (or anyone else's) personal
>information is out of line.  

Does that constitute your apology?  It's woefully inadquate.

>
>It's too bad the immaturity of a single person forces people to waste
>so much time on things like this.
>


So get a life, loser.





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From: premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor)
Subject: Re: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
Date: 1996/12/28
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On 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT, giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
wrote:

>Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!
>


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From: giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
Date: 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT
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Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!


	Now that we have the full post, the management of netcom.ca,
knowing full well that it is responsible for these posts continues to
encourage them.  

	Netcom.ca of course is a well known abouser of the internet and as
such deserves being cut off from the internet.  

	But then they are staffed by kanadian kikes and are beneath the
notice of human beings as they are a different and lower species
entirely.  


-- Doc Tor

=====
If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
---
Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.



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On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 06:50:12 -0800, Troll Killer
<troll+killer@mailmasher.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:10:07 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:29:31 -0500, A Concerned Netizen
>><anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>
>So get a life, loser.


I needn't point out that this is yet another post from David Nixon.






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On 29 Dec 1996 04:36:26 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <32c4a960.30500676@news.gte.net><5a25m3$4p6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>
>- premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor)Sat, 28 Dec 1996 05:01:43 GMTgiwer@combase.com
>(Mathias Giwer, Senior)28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT, giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
>:>wrote:
>:>
>:>>Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!
>:>>
>:>
>:>
>:>Path:
>:>newsfeed.gte.net!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!news
>:>From: giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
>:>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>:>Subject: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
>:>Date: 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT
>:>Organization: Combase
>:>Lines: 2
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>:>Mime-Version: 1.0
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>:>X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Dec 27 10:54:47 PM EST 1996
>:>X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6
>:>
>:>Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!
>:>
>:>
>:>	Now that we have the full post, the management of netcom.ca,
>:>knowing full well that it is responsible for these posts continues to
>:>encourage them.  
>:>
>:>	Netcom.ca of course is a well known abouser of the internet and as
>:>such deserves being cut off from the internet.  
>:>
>:>	But then they are staffed by kanadian kikes and are beneath the
>:>notice of human beings as they are a different and lower species
>:>entirely.  
>
>Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
>tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
>again?
>
>What a *loser*.
>
>
>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time

	Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.



-- Doc Tor

=====
If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
---
Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.



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In message <32c4a960.30500676@news.gte.net><5a25m3$4p6@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>
- premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor)Sat, 28 Dec 1996 05:01:43 GMTgiwer@combase.com
(Mathias Giwer, Senior)28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT writes:
:>
:>On 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT, giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
:>wrote:
:>
:>>Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!
:>>
:>
:>
:>Path:
:>newsfeed.gte.net!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!news
:>From: giwer@combase.com (Mathias Giwer, Senior)
:>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
:>Subject: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
:>Date: 28 Dec 1996 03:54:43 GMT
:>Organization: Combase
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:>X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Dec 27 10:54:47 PM EST 1996
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:>
:>Keep that lunatic pedophile away from me!!!!!
:>
:>
:>	Now that we have the full post, the management of netcom.ca,
:>knowing full well that it is responsible for these posts continues to
:>encourage them.  
:>
:>	Netcom.ca of course is a well known abouser of the internet and as
:>such deserves being cut off from the internet.  
:>
:>	But then they are staffed by kanadian kikes and are beneath the
:>notice of human beings as they are a different and lower species
:>entirely.  

Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
again?

What a *loser*.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time




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Subject: Re: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt GiwerStatement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
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In article <5a7aor$fn0$6@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:


>In message <32c611a9.50135155@news.gte.net> - at@dot.dot (The First One)Sun,
>29 Dec 1996 06:38:45 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On 29 Dec 1996 04:36:26 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>:>
>>
>:>>Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
>:>>tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
>:>>again?
>:>>
>:>>What a *loser*.

>:>      Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
>:>of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.

>Goodie.  Then complain to IBM and try to get them to fire me.  

>I say that you forged the post, Matty.  Prove you didn't.

Well, it's even better than that, though.  Not only are you using IBM.NET, but 
as I understand it, your message travelled across phone lines owned by each 
and every one of the Baby Bells, and MCI, as well.  It appeared here on a NEC 
monitor, and was saved to an HP tape drive -- using a program from Microsoft.  
And I drank a cup of Columbian coffee while reading it.

So he can sue all the phone companies, and Microsoft, and the nation of 
Columbia, and Juan Valdez, and . . . 

Which means, by the Giwer's theory, that he can sue, well, everybody, 
everywhere.

Wheeee!  



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In message <32c611a9.50135155@news.gte.net> - at@dot.dot (The First One)Sun,
29 Dec 1996 06:38:45 GMT writes:
:>
:>On 29 Dec 1996 04:36:26 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
:>
>
:>>Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
:>>tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
:>>again?
:>>
:>>What a *loser*.

:>	Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
:>of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.

Goodie.  Then complain to IBM and try to get them to fire me.  

I say that you forged the post, Matty.  Prove you didn't.



--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time




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Subject: Re: Statement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt GiwerStatement Of Restraint: Subject: Matt Giwer
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On 30 Dec 1996 02:52:11 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <32c611a9.50135155@news.gte.net> - at@dot.dot (The First One)Sun,
>29 Dec 1996 06:38:45 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On 29 Dec 1996 04:36:26 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>:>
>>
>:>>Matty, are you so hard up you are back to forging posts to yourself?  You
>:>>tried it last year and you *lost*.  Are you trying it again, so you can *lose*
>:>>again?
>:>>
>:>>What a *loser*.
>
>:>	Your response, in and of itself, constitutes a further distribution
>:>of libelous claims and without the disclaimer includes IBM in it.
>
>Goodie.  Then complain to IBM and try to get them to fire me.  
>
>I say that you forged the post, Matty.  Prove you didn't.

	The burden of proof is of course on you.  And yes, there was a
report filed with them as your ISP if not employer.  As such you bear
equal liability with the kike skum who is spreading it.  




-- The First One

=====
If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
---
Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.



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From: legion@dimensional.com (Legion)
Subject: Re: jimmy's lameness shines brightly once more
Date: 1996/10/22
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Why did you run away from alt.flame, jimmy? I'll just put it back in the
header for you.

In article <326d1bc0.142025952@nntp.netcruiser>,
james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>kkelly1@nntp.best.com (Kevin Kelly) wrote:
>
>: Legion (legion@dimensional.com) wrote:
>: : >Poor legion, you kept your forgery in the same post you claimed it was
>: : >unproven. Yet another alt.flame dweeb demonstrates how vacous the group is
>: : >for anything approaching talent.
>: 
>: : Looks like you share the same reading comprehension problems as Kerro.
>: 
>: Uh no it looks like you are a talentless wanker who thinks forgery is an
>: amusing sideline when not posting what appears to be address information
>: and telephone information about Keegan. Does your ISP support this
>: practice?
>
>the net knows about legion (little stevie spordon).

Still haven't managed to figure out my name, jimmy?

>one hopes that his forgeries and posting antics won't
>destroy another sysadmin and system as they did at nyx.

Nyx is alive and well, thanks. And so is Andrew. 10,000 users and
gaining...

>what it all comes doen to is this, people like little
>stevie will be the cause of more regulation of isp's not
>unlike the case shown below:
>from the detroit news, cyberia
>
>===begin quote
>Ground-breaking order ends on-line threats

Gosh, jimmy, you must be under the impression that I've threatened you
somewhere. Why don't you post proof?

Oh. Because you have none. Heck, I should have known.

-Legion
-- 
"Pinhead the Cenobite <pinhead@coastnet.com> wrote:
  : [sickening keegan worship deleted]
  are you a religious bigot as well as a forger, pinnie?" -- Jimmy "fuckhead"
  Ke#gan with delusions of holiness in <4vg9kq$mes@news.wizvax.net>



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Subject: Re: poor stevie spordon, once a forger, always a forger
Date: 1996/10/23
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On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:49:52 GMT, jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g.
keegan jr.) wrote:

-----cut-----

 
>*: Poor legion, you kept your forgery in the same post you claimed it was
>*: unproven. 
>*
>*he's just a sick kiddie, imo. the poor thing forges
>*compulsively, it appears, and now has a sysadmin who seems
>*to endorse it.
>*
>*

You didn't really expect this guy to sign on with a provider who has
 *scruples* now,  did you?


"Pure Silk"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1574

The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems,
block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity.
                  --Lewis Grizzard, 'Don't sit under the Grits Tree With Anyone Else But Me'



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From: shafer@ferhino.dfrc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Cross-posting Is Getting Out Of Hand
Date: 1996/10/23
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On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:22:49 -0700, David Blake <dblake@phy.ucsf.edu> said:

D> It should be pointed out that cross-posting is poor netiquette, and
D> if it is done repeatedly should be reported first to the
D> individual, and then to his postmaster.

Cross-posting isn't poor netiquette.  Posting multiple copies of the
same message is poor netiquette.

This assumes, of course, that the message is of interest to all the
groups to which it is cross-posted, as posting, cross or not, an
off-charter message to a group is poor netiquette.  However, a blanket
assertion that cross-posting is poor netiquette is nonsense.

If you were correct, tale couldn't cross-post RFDs and CFDs on
proposed new groups.  And you couldn't have cross-posted this message
to rec.bicycles.off-road and news.admin.net-abuse.  Or is it the usual
hypocritical assumption that poor netiquette is OK for you but not for
people you don't like?

Notice that I have set the follow-ups to news.admin.net-abuse, as it
seems to me that this thread had little to do with bicycles of any
sort.  If you wish to continue cross-posting, you may reset the
headers manually.



--
Mary Shafer               NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
SR-71 Flying Qualities Lead Engineer     Of course I don't speak for NASA 
shafer@ferhino.dfrc.nasa.gov                               DoD #362 KotFR   
URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
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Subject: Can't teach old keegan new whine
Date: 1996/10/24
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jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.) writes:

>kkelly1@nntp.best.com (Kevin Kelly) wrote:

>: Legion (legion@dimensional.com) wrote:
>: : In article <326c3f9f.85669666@nntp.netcruiser>,
>: : james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: : >legion@dimensional.com (Legion) wrote:
>: : >
>: [...]
>: 
>: : >: >wow. what's next? are you going to post about how he trims
>: : >: >his toenails?
>: : >: >
>: : >: >you're becomming increasingly ob e s  e, earl.
>: : >: 
>: : >: your sick predjudice only makes you look worse than you already did, imo.
>: : >
>: : >did you get confused, little stevie? maybe that's what
>: : >happens when you get kicked off the net for forging, eh?
>: 
>: : Won't your cabal of ass-kissing cronies lose respect for you when you
>: : continue to make unproven accusations?
>: 
>: Poor legion, you kept your forgery in the same post you claimed it was
>: unproven. 

>he's just a sick kiddie, imo. the poor thing forges
>compulsively, it appears, and now has a sysadmin who seems
>to endorse it.

And thus the campaign begins ...




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I don't usually post to a spammed thread, but this seems to be a case
where the postmaster is the perpetrator.

In article <3276BEE7.2A2A@conknet.com>
Ray Fournier <r_fournier@conknet.com> writes:

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=> Subject: Haven't we had enough
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=> eneral:170 dfw.general:2499 fl.general:659 houston.general:2812
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=> 
=> Haven't we had enough of the corrupt policies / administration of
the
=> last four years. Haven't we had enough of allegations, denials,
=> supeonas, special prosecutors, lost records, found records,
waffling,
=> changes of direction, momentary truths, White water, Castle grande,
=> Madison Guarantee and all the rest of the  BS. I for 1 have, and I
think
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 On
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Let's
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=> 
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voting
=> for
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first
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over
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you
=> voting for the Bill Clinton of the last two years who signed a
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abortion
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=> 
=> Let's restore some honor, integrity and some decency back in the
White
=> House.
=>         
=>                          let's all vote for Bob Dole! 
=> 
=> -- 
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I don't presume  to speak for: USG, HAHA, and so on.
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From: pavanas@meridio.ccia.com (pavanas)
Subject: Re: Winterizer NoCeM Report 29 20:21 @@NCM
Date: 1996/10/30
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On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:08:05 GMT, steve@prime.org <steve@prime.org> hath written:
>The following is proof that the net trash running panix.com and erols.net
>are continuing to support the slime at mpcs.com and their campaign of 
>religious censorship.  This also shows the irresponsible nature of the NoCem
>system, that a net trash like Howard Goldstein can so abuse it.
>
really if you are being censored why am i able to see your drivel? you do not
have the tiniest idea of which you speak do you? be a good little boy and 
crawl back under your rock and work on developing some social skills ( you 
will need them in court). has it occurred to you that your constant whining
and cross posting everywhere causes people to view you as an idiot? has it
occurred to you that the more you irritate people the surer will be the day
when no ISP will have you as a customer? the most appalling part of all your
misery and dis-satisfaction is that it is caused by your own hand by your 
own words. example dimwit this is posted to <fl.general> why do you do that
when you know you should not? are you both above man's law and God's law.
can you really believe that anyone can be sympathic to an individual such
as yourself, mr. winter whose is personally responsible for making 
moderation a `good thing'. is it something that you can be proud of, that 
is that your irresponsible behaviour is causing changes in Usenet 
Christian newsgroups. and it has absolutely nothing to do with religious
censorship. it has to do with your avowed mission to disrupt and control
those groups. you are your own worst enemy and nightmare.
>   
>
>Rev. Steve Winter



-- 
IHS,
pavanas
        Speech is the mirror of the soul: as man speaks, so is he.
                  Publilius Syrus



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From: stantons@voyager.co.nz (ajs)
Subject: Re: HELP! Why did rec.music.rem DISAPPEAR?
Date: 1996/11/08
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On 7 Nov 1996 16:04:49 GMT benedict@daimi.aau.dk (Benedict Lofstedt)
wrote:

>In <55suhk$59d@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> pattist@ix.netcom.com (barbara pattist) writes:
>
>[...snip...]
>>I've had several e-mail messages this morning from friends saying
>>rec.pets.cats has been rmgrouped also by their ISP's. I'm beginning to
>>wonder if people think the meowers that have been spamming the net are
>>part of rpc. They are not.
>
>On the contrary.  The meowers removed rec.pets.cats ;-) , see below
>And then they did a lot of other damage as well ;-0
>
>--- benedict [news administator @ news.daimi.aau.dk]
>
<snip example of bogus rmgroup message>

What Barbara was trying to say and I would like to emphatically second
is that the "meowers" who have been sending stupid meow messages
crossposted willy-nilly AND who seem to be responsible for this latest
attack, which should be deemed net-abuse IMHO are NOT part of the rpc
group who "meowchat".  We have been invaded by them for several weeks
now and ignore them, hoping they will go away.  Please help clear our
name.

Alison Smith



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From: andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/)
Subject: Re: Attention Limeys: Bombs Forthcoming
Date: 1996/11/16
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In alt.nuke.the.USA, R a i d e r (raider@super.zippo.coz) continued to whine
about forged posts by writing:

> Forgery is a crime,

You didn't say that when _you_ were forging posts did you James? In fact 
when you were caught 'forging' this is what you said in your defense:

        "I won't be 'forging' (sic) posts for your account 
	 anymore [...] the 'forgery' (sic) was just a harmless 
	 spoof".
                  1-Sept-1996  <322a0018.8915044@super.zippo.com>

	"Thanks for being understanding about my prank. You'd 
	 think an old fart like me would be tired of playing 
	 [...] I don't want to just sit back and let everyone 
	 else have all the fun."
                  2-Sept-1996  <322a62b0.114394598@super.zippo.com>

You don't want _any_ one else to have any fun do you? What is this James, 
one law for them and another one for you?

What a pathetic little hypocrite you really are Mr Woods. Now run along to 
the other little minions at Dataserv Inc and get on with your X-mas rush.

If Top Dog or anybody else wishes a complete copy of James' past forgeries 
and his defenses thereof please send me an e-mail.

Andrew/
                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
		             Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged



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Subject: Re: Andwew/ the Net-Cop Drooler
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R a i d e r wrote:

> Top Muttposted his test forgery of me to alt.culture.hawaii, 
> and made NO changes to indicate it wasn't me.  

This is just a stab in the dark... but couldn't the former be seen in
that the message posted actually made some friggin' sense?

-- 
"In a closed society where everybody's guilty,
the only crime is getting caught.
In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."
-Hunter S. Thompson



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/17
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"james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/17
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In article <56maci$f81@nova.dimensional.com>, janda@dimensional.com (Keith 
"Justified And Ancient" Cochran) wrote:
: In article <CntVrBAnOkjyEwrC@tiktok.demon.co.uk>,
: james g keegan jr  <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: 
: So, the forgers once again crawl out of the woodwork.  Posting once
: again from demon.co.uk, a site which is known for allowing, perhaps
: even encouraging forgeries.

and yet another malicious forgery from demon.co.uk appears.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.



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Subject: Re: liar sharon asks why?
Date: 1996/11/17
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the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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james g keegan jr <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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james g keegan jr <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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Subject: Re: liar sharon asks why?
Date: 1996/11/17
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james g keegan jr <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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Subject: Re: Louis' Intelligent and reasonable reflections... (was: Re: liar sharon comments on her lies....
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james g keegan jr <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: need help
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"james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
so many past forgeries over the years.

i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/18
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as@horizon.co.uk (Richard Ashton) wrote:

: In article <328f8113.8787135@nntp.netcruiser>
:            jkeegan@ix.netcom.com "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: } "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: } the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
: } posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
: } so many past forgeries over the years.

==begin restore unmarked deletion
i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
demon over the years.

in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
management itself.

there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:

 -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

 -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
    your own postmaster.

this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
of some sites which would surely be an improvement.

finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
the net.world.

just a suggestion.
===end restore unmarked deleltion

: Hi kegan you fuckwit, this is not a forgery

keep protesting richard.

: Please keep your whingeing shit out of demon.local

i think it's reasonable for me to respond to posts
libelously posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site
involved in so many past forgeries over the years. don;t you
agree?




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From: demitrio@netcom.com (Suzanne Demitrio)
Subject: Forgery and libel from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/18
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In article <32a098dc.14876120@nntp.netcruiser>,
james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> In article  <QkGhbPAKf3jyEw47@tiktok.demon.co.uk> ,
>"james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[...]
>the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
>posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
>so many past forgeries over the years.
>
>i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
>demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
>demon over the years.
>
>in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
>some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
>management itself.
>
>there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
>to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:
>
> -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
>    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
>    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
>    request to demon that the forgeries stop.

Done.

> -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
>    your own postmaster.

Done.

>this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
>demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
>convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
>it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
>of some sites which would surely be an improvement.
>
>finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
>the net.world.

I can't think of any other site with so depraved a policy
on libel and forgery.  Surely peer pressure is good for
something.

 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia Demitrio                      demitrio@netcom.com






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From: puresilk@pacbell.net ("Pure Silk")
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/18
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On Mon, 18 Nov 96 00:29:56 GMT, as@horizon.co.uk (Richard Ashton)
wrote:


---cut---

>
>These last two lines PROVE it came from a user at the Internet site
>
>tiktok.demon.co.uk
>the sites IP address is
>Address:  158.152.145.203
>
>You should address your complaints to postmaster at this address.
>RFC822 requires all such sites to have a user "postmaster"
>
>Please keep your whingeing shit out of demon.local
>
>{R}
>
Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
prove that Keegan posted it....

No one is whining. The fact is that someone posting out of demon.co.uk
is impersonating Mr. Keegan with intent to mislead. demon.local is a
relevant news group to post to, since the post involves and originates
from demon.co.uk.

It's you folks who are doing the whining simply because you can't face
up to the fact you have some oddballs on your end of the bridge.


"Pure Silk"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1574



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From: ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net (Ken Ehrett)
Subject: Re: Attention Limeys: Bombs Forthcoming
Date: 1996/11/18
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andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/) wrote:

>In alt.nuke.the.USA, R a i d e r (raider@super.zippo.coz) continued to whine
>about forged posts by writing:

>> Forgery is a crime,

>You didn't say that when _you_ were forging posts did you James? In fact 
>when you were caught 'forging' this is what you said in your defense:

>        "I won't be 'forging' (sic) posts for your account 
>	 anymore [...] the 'forgery' (sic) was just a harmless 
>	 spoof".
>                  1-Sept-1996  <322a0018.8915044@super.zippo.com>

>	"Thanks for being understanding about my prank. You'd 
>	 think an old fart like me would be tired of playing 
>	 [...] I don't want to just sit back and let everyone 
>	 else have all the fun."
>                  2-Sept-1996  <322a62b0.114394598@super.zippo.com>

>You don't want _any_ one else to have any fun do you? What is this James, 
>one law for them and another one for you?

Well well Andrew, I'm surprised that you would even bring this subject
up you lying little cocksucker.  Why don't you tell the whole story
instead of just the specially edited bits.  

>What a pathetic little hypocrite you really are Mr Woods. Now run along to 
>the other little minions at Dataserv Inc and get on with your X-mas rush.

Hypocrite?  Look in the mirror you pasty faced buttbreath limey.  

>If Top Dog or anybody else wishes a complete copy of James' past forgeries 
>and his defenses thereof please send me an e-mail.

Raider, if you had any sense you would post this limey fuckwit's
emails to you on the NG for all to see.  Fucking limey snake.






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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Forgery and libel from demon.co.uk  Re: need help
Date: 1996/11/18
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demitrio@netcom.com (Suzanne Demitrio) wrote:

: In article <32a098dc.14876120@nntp.netcruiser>,
: james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: 
: > In article  <QkGhbPAKf3jyEw47@tiktok.demon.co.uk> ,
: >"james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >[...]
: >the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
: >posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
: >so many past forgeries over the years.
: >
: >i know how sickened many of you are by and of not only these
: >demon forgeries, but the dozens and dozens of forgeries from
: >demon over the years.
: >
: >in the past, simple complaints to demon have been ignored
: >some believe that the forgeries come from demon staff or 
: >management itself.
: >
: >there was a suggestion today which i think has the potential
: >to curb the demon forgeries. the suggestion was:
: >
: > -- follow-up each forgery with posts to the newsgroups to
: >    which that specific forgery was posted, the demon.local
: >    newsgroup and the news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup with a 
: >    request to demon that the forgeries stop.
: 
: Done.
: 
: > -- send copies of your posts to postmaster@demon.co.uk and
: >    your own postmaster.
: 
: Done.
: 
: >this will bring both the specifics and the breadth of the
: >demon forgeries to many postmasters who might be able to
: >convince the demon site to reduce or stop the forgeries.
: >it might also result in posts from demon being blocked out 
: >of some sites which would surely be an improvement.
: >
: >finally, it would present an accurate image of demon to
: >the net.world.
: 
: I can't think of any other site with so depraved a policy
: on libel and forgery.  Surely peer pressure is good for
: something.

we'll see, assuming that enough readers are disgusted and
act.




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Subject: Re: need help
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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.net) wrote:

The usual rubbish

And similar from another account.

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References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961030132257.29206E-100000@general3.asu.edu> <56lbk8$jke@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <demitrioE0zvE9.JB7@netcom.com> <demitrioE1054H.Jvr@netcom.com> <j02tfXALq3jyEweg@tiktok.demon.co.uk>NNTP-Posting-Host: alb-ny1-01.ix.netcom.com

Time to update some killfiles...

-- 
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1666>                  Team AMIGA
When working toward the solution of a problem,
it always helps if you already know the answer.





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From: mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk (Michael Ozanne)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/18
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In article <32979c1d.4857478@news.pacbell.net>
           puresilk@pacbell.net "Pure Silk" writes:

*Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
*prove that Keegan posted it....
*
*No one is whining. The fact is that someone posting out of demon.co.uk
*is impersonating Mr. Keegan with intent to mislead. demon.local is a
*relevant news group to post to, since the post involves and originates
*from demon.co.uk.
*
*It's you folks who are doing the whining simply because you can't face
*up to the fact you have some oddballs on your end of the bridge.

Let me explain it again. Demon Internet Limited is an Internet Service
Provider, offering a full Internet connection to its customers using
permanent static addresses. Tiktok is not a user located at Demon's premises
, Tiktok is an independent site that connects to the Internet via the TCP/IP
gateway operated by Demon. The legal convention in the UK is that Demon are
a common carrier, and not directly responsible for material produced by
Tiktok. It is hoped that this common carrier status will be ratified by 
statute in the near future. Complaints about material from users at Tiktok
should be referred to Postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. In the first instance.
If you feel that material from Tiktok has breeched Demons Acceptable Use
Policy (AUP) you can then report the matter to Demon. If you still have
trouble understanding the situation a simplified version is attached to
the end of this article.



















Demon got big drum. Tiktok got little drum. Tiktok bang out message to demon.
Demon bang out message to all drummers. Tiktok, Demon not same. Tiktok not work
Demon. Tiktok small drummer, live in cave, Demon big drummer, live top of 
mountain. If Tiktok bad, talk Tiktok, kick Tiktok balls, not talk Demon.
Demon not give ripe mammoth turd about Tiktok.




-- 
Michael Ozanne




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From: andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/)
Subject: Re: Andwew/ the Net-Cop Drooler -- Part 2
Date: 1996/11/18
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In alt.nuke.the.USA, R a i d e r (raider@super.zippo.co*) wrote:
> Here you are, Andrew/, Android/, Andruid/, Andwew/, Spew/, etc.  We'll let
> the group decide if your "read the FAQ" rant justified your posting of private
> email for the "Raider Unmasked" thread.  

I see you're selectively editing again. I asked you to stop sending
your e-mail spam to my mailbox. I warned you that if you continued
to send me unsolicited e-mail I would consider it my property to 
dispose of as I wish.  You chose to ignore my warning and you continued 
to flood my mailbox with your trash psuedo flames and barnyard insults. 
Hence, I responed by reposting it to the newsgroups - this stopped you 
pretty quickly didn't it? 

> Personally, I think it mostly shows
> what a lack of integrity you have, but you seem to think that integrity is
> meaningless on Usenet, so you shouldn't mind my posting of your email. 

You seem to think that you can do what you want. You forge posts, you
mailbomb people with reams of unsolicited shite and then you expect
us to respect you? Grow up james.

> In article <322791cb.14909407@altairiv.demon.co.uk> you write:

I also wrote to you words to the effect:

	"Do not send me any more e-mail. If you do I shall
	 treat it as my property and repost all or sections
	 of it where ever I see fit. Your sending of mail
	 will constitute an agreement to this"

Unsurprisingly you have chosen not to quote that one. I wonder why?

As for your forgery you cannot deny it. You forged posts not only from
my domain (which you spelled correctly BTW, thus ensuring that it would 
be picked up by junk mailers. That _was_ your intention wasn't it?) but
you also forged posts from others. This is the sort of childish behaviour
we expect from people like you who are unable to defend yourselves with
argument.

What I really can't stand though is the hypocritical way you started whining
last week when you discovered Top Dog had forged you. To use your words
James "Forgery is just a prank" when you forge, but when you're forged
the story suddenly changes to, again to use your words, "Forgery is a crime".

Grow up you wimp.

> Bitching about it now doesn't make much sense, but then neither does most of
> what you post anyway.

Try to follow the argument for once in your life.

I mentioned your post forging antics merely to draw attention to your 
hypocracy. You say on the one hand "Forgery is a crime" whilst you send 
out forgeries yourself with your other hand (when it isn't frantically 
pumping your spotty little cock in a frenzy of self-abuse that is).


You started whining last week when you discovered Top Dog had forged
you and you said "Forgery is a crime". Two months ago you were merrily
sending out forgeries yourself and you defended this by saying "Forgery
is a prank". Now you are trying to toady up to a host of groups in order
to regain some of your lost face after I (for the umpteenth time) made
you look like the idiot you are.

You are truly a "whining, hypocritical, toady". One suspects that you
are sitting there on your loathsome spotty behind squeezing blackheads,
you excrement.

Andrew/
                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
		             Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged



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From: andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk (Andrew/)
Subject: Re: Attention Limeys: Bombs Forthcoming
Date: 1996/11/18
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In alt.nuke.the.USA, Ken Ehrett (ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net) wrote:


> Well well Andrew, I'm surprised that you would even bring this subject
> up you lying little cocksucker. 

You know nothing about it and _I_ am liar? Right, another well thought
argument from K-K-Ken.

> Why don't you tell the whole stor instead of just the specially edited 
> bits.  

Sure. I am happy to tell the whole story. As I said I have copies of
everything and I will forward them on request. Do you want them in
your mailbox? You only have to ask. In the meantime, I am not going 
to waste time on the group by supplying _complete_ reposts that nobody
will bother to read. All articles are available so people can trust 
what I post to be a fair intrepretaion of the events. In short they were:

   August:    James whines about some forger sending out cancel
	      messages on his posts.

   August:    I traced the author of the forged cancels and informed
	      his sysadmin. He disappeared shortly after I emphasised 
	      to his admin that sending out 200 forged cancel messages 
	      was a denial of service attack.

	      I circulated a full account of this to most of the antU 
 	      veterans via e-mail. (one of them gave sound tracing
	      advice).

	      A week after this James sent out forged posts in my name.
  	      I mailed James and asked him to stop sending out forgeries
	      and as a sweetener I told him about how I had traced the
	      last forger but I asked James not to mention this to the
	      group.

              Like an idiot he believes every word I wrote to him.

  Last Week:  Top Dog forged a raider post.

  This week:  Lo and behold, James is whining about forgeries again.


It is a waste of time asking James to post to the group the mail I asked
him specifically not to post - since they've all seen it already. A
week before I sent it to that sucker.

Although Ken, I can appreciate your desire to take sides with your fellow
americans in this, I can see no need for you to side with the most miserable
and pathetic dickhead on the group. You ought to consider dropping this one 
before you do yourself irrepairable long term damage.

Andrew/
                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
		             Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged



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From: rosenfie@students.wisc.edu (David Rosenfield)
Subject: Run, run, run like the wind
Date: 1996/11/18
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My friends and I will have to colonize this newsgroup (schl.stu.jrhi)
before it gets overrun with pedophiles like that sick, sick David Kim
(3944KIMD@vmsb.csd.mu.edu).

We can also use it for the purpose of training young people to be the
next generation of spammers!

Drink your Mr. Yuk-labled cans of grape-juice happily!




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Subject: Re: Andwew/ the Net-Cop Drooler
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In alt.nuke.the.USA, R a i d e r (raider@super.zippo.co*) wrote:

[whine, whine, whine. S'not fair]

Grow up James.

Andrew/
                      "You're a Jerk, Dent"
		             Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged



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In article <32973f15.1447628@news.pacbell.net>, Pure Shit
<puresilk@usa.net> writes
>On Mon, 18 Nov 96 13:53:15 GMT, mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk (Michael
>Ozanne) wrote:

>>, Tiktok is an independent site that connects to the Internet via the TCP/IP
>>gateway operated by Demon. The legal convention in the UK is that Demon are
>>a common carrier, and not directly responsible for material produced by
>>Tiktok. It is hoped that this common carrier status will be ratified by 
>>statute in the near future. Complaints about material from users at Tiktok
>>should be referred to Postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. In the first instance.
>>If you feel that material from Tiktok has breeched Demons Acceptable Use
>>Policy (AUP) you can then report the matter to Demon. If you still have
>>trouble understanding the situation a simplified version is attached to
>>the end of this article.
>
>Gee, you contradict everything everyone ever said about tiktok..you
>just called it a 'site'..
>
>I wonder why the dumb try to act dumber, I am sure demon.co.uk has
>many machines, one of which is 'tiktok'..Here is an example:

You are the only dumb fucker so far in this exchange.

The 'site' that you refer to would be an individual like me, 
with a Demon account. Perhaps 'nodename' would penetrate your
brain cell easier. My nodename is 'johnkaye.demon.co.uk'.
'tiktok' is a nodename, belonging to an *individual* not Demon.

We've been through all this many moons ago, with your half-fuckwit
friend keegan.

Perhaps I'm tiktok, or any one of the other 700000 users of Demon.

Got it???  I doubt it. 

On a personal level, are you all housed in the same asylum, or
in individual institutions?

-- 
JK.                       ########################                       JK.



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In article <32979c1d.4857478@news.pacbell.net>
    puresilk@pacbell.net ("Pure Silk") writes:

> On Mon, 18 Nov 96 00:29:56 GMT, as@horizon.co.uk (Richard Ashton)
> wrote:

> >These last two lines PROVE it came from a user at the Internet site
> >
> >tiktok.demon.co.uk
> >the sites IP address is
> >Address:  158.152.145.203
> >
> >You should address your complaints to postmaster at this address.
> >RFC822 requires all such sites to have a user "postmaster"
> >
> >Please keep your whingeing shit out of demon.local
> >
> >{R}
> >
> Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
> prove that Keegan posted it....

Are you naturally that stupid, or do you have to work at it?  It proves
that the account which posted it was tiktok.demon.co.uk.  Unless you have
grounds to suspect that keegan has a Demon account and is prepared to
waste money on transatlantic phone calls to perpetrate his idiocies, this
proves the keegan DIDN'T post it.  Anybody with two brain-cells to rub
together can see that the post did not come from keegan.

> No one is whining.

Do you have keegan in your killfile or something?  Or is your blindness
deliberate?

> The fact is that someone posting out of demon.co.uk

We've tried to explain this patiently to you all before.  The domain
demon.co.uk belongs to Demon Internet Services, just as pacbell.net
belongs to your provider.  Unlike your provider though, Demon provides
its subscribers with a whole FQDN of their own, a static IP address and
the ability to run their own news system.  Your somebody is posting from
TIKTOK.demon.co.uk, not demon.co.uk.  Tiktok.demon.co.uk is a full internet
host in its own right.

> is impersonating Mr. Keegan

Doesn't take much intelligence to do that.  A broken caps-lock key and
the ability to continuously repeat yourself is all it takes.

> with intent to mislead.

Some people are easily misled.  Most, however, can see the
X-NNTP-Posting-Host line and understand the true origin of the post.  And
for those too stupid or asleep to notice it, there are always keegan's
incessant follow-ups to point it out to them.

> demon.local is a relevant news group to post to,

No it is not.

> since the post involves and originates from demon.co.uk.

No it does not.  See above, since your limited attention span mean you've
probably forgotten by now.  It originates from tiktok.demon.co.uk.  The
person who uses that account does not normally post to demon.local, except
when he follows up to one of keegan's inappropriately-spammed complaints.
In 4 years I have seen about as many posts from tiktok.demon.co.uk appear
in demon.local, and all were as a result of keegan's unwelcome habit of
dumping his crap here.

Demon.local is a chat group, and not the right place to complain about
any aspect of Demon's operations or policies, as keegan well knows.  He
posts here to annoy people, and that is his only justification - it is
a massive troll (although it doesn't really deserve that name as trolls are
*meant* to be subtle).  If he thinks he has a serious complaint (as if)
he should post it to demon.service, not demon.local.

Demon.local is not an appropriate group for these complaints since the
original post (whatever it was) did not appear here.  News.admin.net-abuse
is an appropriate group for these complaints, if only so keegan can provide
evidence of his own gross abuses of, and malicious behaviour on, usenet. 
Demon.service may be an appropriate group for complaints, if Demon Internet
were behaving irresponsibly - keegan claims they are, the
X-NNTP-Posting-Host header shows they do more to limit abuse than Wizvax or
Pacbell who do not provide such a header and make forgeries easy because of
dynamic IP (anybody using Pacbell could *convincingly* forge posts from you,
nobody using Demon's news servers to inject news could *convincingly* forge
posts from me).

> It's you folks who are doing the whining simply because you can't face
> up to the fact you have some oddballs on your end of the bridge.

The words `mote,' `beam,', `eye,' `neighbour' and `nutter' spring to mind
here.

[Followups set to the only group of keegan's selection that is actually
appropriate to any of this argument.]

--Paul





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Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/19
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On Mon, 18 Nov 96 13:53:15 GMT, mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk (Michael
Ozanne) wrote:

>In article <32979c1d.4857478@news.pacbell.net>
>           puresilk@pacbell.net "Pure Silk" writes:
>
>*Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
>*prove that Keegan posted it....
>*
>*No one is whining. The fact is that someone posting out of demon.co.uk
>*is impersonating Mr. Keegan with intent to mislead. demon.local is a
>*relevant news group to post to, since the post involves and originates
>*from demon.co.uk.
>*
>*It's you folks who are doing the whining simply because you can't face
>*up to the fact you have some oddballs on your end of the bridge.
>
>Let me explain it again. Demon Internet Limited is an Internet Service
>Provider, offering a full Internet connection to its customers using
>permanent static addresses. Tiktok is not a user located at Demon's premises

I didn't say tiktok was a 'user'
Tiktok is a machine located on the demon.server.

>, Tiktok is an independent site that connects to the Internet via the TCP/IP
>gateway operated by Demon. The legal convention in the UK is that Demon are
>a common carrier, and not directly responsible for material produced by
>Tiktok. It is hoped that this common carrier status will be ratified by 
>statute in the near future. Complaints about material from users at Tiktok
>should be referred to Postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. In the first instance.
>If you feel that material from Tiktok has breeched Demons Acceptable Use
>Policy (AUP) you can then report the matter to Demon. If you still have
>trouble understanding the situation a simplified version is attached to
>the end of this article.

Gee, you contradict everything everyone ever said about tiktok..you
just called it a 'site'..

I wonder why the dumb try to act dumber, I am sure demon.co.uk has
many machines, one of which is 'tiktok'..Here is an example:

As a former user of cris.com 
My internet provider was cris.com, yet every time I logged on I was
logged into a different machine. Sometimes it was 'mariner.cris.com'
other times it was 'voyeger.cris.com' but my service provider,
regardless of which machine I was on was still Cris Internet Services
(cris.com) Any complaints went to postmaster@cris.com, NOT
postmaster@mariner.cris.com, of postmaster@voyeger.cris.com.
The machine I used was also included in my email address..i.e.
'puresilk@mariner.cris.com' Yet, mariner.cris.com had no postmaster as
it is simply the name of the machine I logged into.
Therefore it would be wrong to direct an email message to
postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. and would instead be directed
to postmaster@demon.co.uk.

As far as posting to the news groups. Don't forget after all, they
are PUBLIC newsgroups and people have every right to post to this
newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject. I think
that the scruples (or lack of)  of demon.co.uk should be discussed iin
the demon newsgroups. 
If you can't deal with it, then that's your problem. Sorry 'bout that.




"Pure Silk"
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From: mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk (Michael Ozanne)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/19
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In article <32973f15.1447628@news.pacbell.net>
           puresilk@usa.net "Pure Silk" writes:

*
*I didn't say tiktok was a 'user'
*Tiktok is a machine located on the demon.server.

Tiktok is a machine or group of machines not owned or operated
by Demon Internet systems. These machines have their TCP/IP traffic
routed via Demons gateway.


*
*Gee, you contradict everything everyone ever said about tiktok..you
*just called it a 'site'..

It is an independent site not owned or operated by Demon Internet Systems

*
*I wonder why the dumb try to act dumber,

I agree, it is time you broke the habit.

*                              I am sure demon.co.uk has
*many machines, one of which is 'tiktok'..Here is an example:
*As a former user of cris.com 
*My internet provider was cris.com, yet every time I logged on I was
*logged into a different machine. Sometimes it was 'mariner.cris.com'
*other times it was 'voyeger.cris.com' but my service provider,
*regardless of which machine I was on was still Cris Internet Services
*(cris.com) Any complaints went to postmaster@cris.com, NOT
*postmaster@mariner.cris.com, of postmaster@voyeger.cris.com.
*The machine I used was also included in my email address..i.e.
*'puresilk@mariner.cris.com' Yet, mariner.cris.com had no postmaster as
*it is simply the name of the machine I logged into.
*Therefore it would be wrong to direct an email message to
*postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. and would instead be directed
*to postmaster@demon.co.uk.

The difference between Demon and Criscom is that Demon customers have
a permanent static  IP address and a full proper internet connection.
Whilst online, a Demon customer is directly connected to the internet,
not a transient user on another machine. Tiktok doesn't log onto a Demon
machine per se. He/She logs onto their own machine, then connects that
machine to demon for the routing of IP packets. Tiktok is required to
have a posmaster@ mail user, and it is a legitimate grounds for complaint
to demon if it does not. In short, postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk is the first
resort for any problems that you have.
 

*
*As far as posting to the news groups. Don't forget after all, they
*are PUBLIC newsgroups and people have every right to post to this
*newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject. I think
*that the scruples (or lack of)  of demon.co.uk should be discussed iin
*the demon newsgroups.

But Demon Internet Services are not responsible for material emanating
from tiktok, so posts on the matter are not relevant.

-- 
Michael Ozanne




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Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
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Pure Silk (puresilk@usa.net) wrote:
> >*Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
> >*prove that Keegan posted it....

No, it proves that a user at the tiktok _site_ posted it.
> >
> >Let me explain it again. Demon Internet Limited is an Internet Service
> >Provider, offering a full Internet connection to its customers using
> >permanent static addresses. Tiktok is not a user located at Demon's premises
> 
> I didn't say tiktok was a 'user'
> Tiktok is a machine located on the demon.server.

Only inasmuch as pierrot is a machine located on the wizvax server...

> Gee, you contradict everything everyone ever said about tiktok..you
> just called it a 'site'..

Nope, he just reiterated everything we've always said.
> 
> I wonder why the dumb try to act dumber, I am sure demon.co.uk has
> many machines, one of which is 'tiktok'..Here is an example:

My machine has nothing to do with demon, excepting that they provide a
gateway service and mail storage.
> 
> My internet provider was cris.com, yet every time I logged on I was

Ah, so they've finally chucked you off have they?

> logged into a different machine. Sometimes it was 'mariner.cris.com'
> other times it was 'voyeger.cris.com' but my service provider,
> regardless of which machine I was on was still Cris Internet Services
> (cris.com) Any complaints went to postmaster@cris.com, NOT
> postmaster@mariner.cris.com, of postmaster@voyeger.cris.com.

Demon is not cris, they provide a different service.

ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/docs

have a look at Welcome.txt, Services.txt and Demon.txt from which I quote

" The Service
" ==============
" 
" We are offering a direct connection to the world-wide Internet.
" There are various different services offered, as listed in
" ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/doc/Services.txt, but the basic Dial-Up
" connection provides powerful connection with your computer becoming
" a node on the Internet.  You get an Internet Address and become part
" of our domain.  An example is:
" 
" 158.152.7.25        yourmc.demon.co.uk     

[snip]

" Mail for Postmaster
" =======================
" 
" Please note that it is a requirement of having a node on the Internet
" that you accept mail to a user named postmaster at your site e.g.
" postmaster@yourmc.demon.co.uk.  If we wish to send you a mail message,
" it is most likely that we will send it to postmaster. 
" 
> newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject. I think
> that the scruples (or lack of)  of demon.co.uk should be discussed iin
> the demon newsgroups. 

This has nothing to do with DIS, tiktok is not part of DIS, it is a customer
site.

-- 
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1666>                  Team AMIGA
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In article <32973f15.1447628@news.pacbell.net>
    puresilk@usa.net ("Pure Silk") writes:

> On Mon, 18 Nov 96 13:53:15 GMT, mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk (Michael
> Ozanne) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32979c1d.4857478@news.pacbell.net>
> >           puresilk@pacbell.net "Pure Silk" writes:
> >
> >*Maybe the post did come from tiktok.demon.co.uk but it still does't
> >*prove that Keegan posted it....
> >*
> >*No one is whining. The fact is that someone posting out of demon.co.uk
> >*is impersonating Mr. Keegan with intent to mislead. demon.local is a
> >*relevant news group to post to, since the post involves and originates
> >*from demon.co.uk.
> >*
> >*It's you folks who are doing the whining simply because you can't face
> >*up to the fact you have some oddballs on your end of the bridge.
> >
> >Let me explain it again. Demon Internet Limited is an Internet Service
> >Provider, offering a full Internet connection to its customers using
> >permanent static addresses. Tiktok is not a user located at Demon's premises
> 
> I didn't say tiktok was a 'user'
> Tiktok is a machine located on the demon.server.

Wrong again (as ever).  Tiktok is a machine located in the home of whoever
owns it.  It connects sporadically to the internet via phoneline.  It is
not located in Demon's offices.  It is not permanently connected to the
internet.  It does not belong to Demon.  It belongs to whoever is paying
Demon 10 pounds a month for the privilege of an internet connection in the
name of tiktok.demon.co.uk and to NOBODY ELSE.

> >, Tiktok is an independent site that connects to the Internet via the TCP/IP
> >gateway operated by Demon. The legal convention in the UK is that Demon are
> >a common carrier, and not directly responsible for material produced by
> >Tiktok. It is hoped that this common carrier status will be ratified by 
> >statute in the near future. Complaints about material from users at Tiktok
> >should be referred to Postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. In the first instance.
> >If you feel that material from Tiktok has breeched Demons Acceptable Use
> >Policy (AUP) you can then report the matter to Demon. If you still have
> >trouble understanding the situation a simplified version is attached to
> >the end of this article.
> 
> Gee, you contradict everything everyone ever said about tiktok..you
> just called it a 'site'..

No he didn't.  He contradicted anything the keegan followers ever said
about tiktok and for good reason - they're wrong.  Tiktok.demon.co.uk
is an independent internet host (also known as a site).  It runs on a
machine owned by whoever you claim is FyRE@tiktok this month and it is
located in his or her home.  Nobody can use tiktok.demon.co.uk without
FyRE's permission.  Tiktok is not a Demon server for general use.  The
sole administrator of tiktok.demon.co.uk is the person who pays the Demon
subscription for that machine (and is FyRE himself, unless his significant
other or parents pay the sub).

> I wonder why the dumb try to act dumber, I am sure demon.co.uk has
> many machines, one of which is 'tiktok'..

You are talking crap.  Demon.co.uk have many servers, all of which have
demon.net aliases.  Subscribers to Demon have many machines too (around
80,000 at last count), but they don't have demon.net aliases.  For instance,
sktb.demon.co.uk is MY machine, living in MY flat, controlled SOLELY by ME
and does not have a demon.net alias.  Sktb runs !TCPIP version 2.06 patch
01-TNA (plus a few mods by me, mainly to the FTP server) on a 7-year-old
Acorn Archimedes 440/1 with an ARM3 processor upgrade running RISC OS 3.1 -
a setup no sane ISP would countenance using as a company server.  Nobody but
me ever posts from or through sktb.demon.co.uk - if they did I'd be very
upset because it would mean somebody had broken into my home or cracked my
password.  Sktb.demon.co.uk has IP address 158.152.9.18 - that is the IP
address of MY machine and no other.  I get a whole FQDN and IP address to
myself - sktb.demon.co.uk is *mine* and you can't play with it - nor can
anybody else.

Well, you can play to a limited extent, whenever I happen to be on-line.  I
run an FTP server on it.  There's also a telnet server which simply
functions as a chat port - telnet to sktb.demon.co.uk on port 23 (the
default telnet port) or port 87 (the default chat port) and you're talking
to ME.  Nobody else.  Not FyRE.  Not Neil Barker.  Not Mike Fleming.  Not
a Demon employee.  Just ME.
 
> Here is an example: As a former user of cris.com 

Am I supposed to be impressed?

> My internet provider was cris.com, yet every time I logged on I was
> logged into a different machine. Sometimes it was 'mariner.cris.com'
> other times it was 'voyeger.cris.com' but my service provider,
> regardless of which machine I was on was still Cris Internet Services
> (cris.com)

And there you miss the fundamental difference between what CRIS has to
offer and what Demon has to offer.  Demon subscribers' machines are internet
hosts in their own right, with their own fully-qualified domain name and
static IP address.  If you do a zone transfer you'll see that there are
around 80,000 of them, each with their own *.demon.co.uk site name and each
with their own static IP address.

> Any complaints went to postmaster@cris.com, NOT
> postmaster@mariner.cris.com, of postmaster@voyeger.cris.com.

That is because all the *.cris.com machines are administered by CRIS.  This
is *not* the case for *.demon.co.uk machines.  With the exception of certain
servers (*all* of which with *.demon.net aliases), ANY *.demon.co.uk machine
belongs to, and is *completely* controlled by, a Demon subscriber.  There
are around 80,000 subscriber machines in *.demon.co.uk and probably less
than 100 Demon servers in *.demon.co.uk (tiktok is not amongst the latter). 
If you are in any doubt, check the DNS - a subscriber's machine will not
have a demon.net alias but will have two MX records pointing to Demon `punt'
mail-servers (as you will appreciate, an intermittently-connected host needs
an arrangement like this or it would only receive mail when it was on-line).

Actually, there's another exception to all this.  Demon gave all their
subscribers 5M of web space on virtual servers.  If you take a look at my
minimalist critique of the cult on the homepage on www.sktb.demon.co.uk
you'll find you're actually connected to homepages.demon.co.uk (AKA, I
believe, homepages.demon.net), which is a permanently-connected server owned
and controlled by Demon.  Similarly if you look at www.nbarker.demon.co.uk
you'll find pages written by Neil Barker who runs the independent internet
host nbarker.demon.co.uk.  Nevertherless, all the www.*.demon.co.uk pages
are aliased to a single Demon server (or maybe it's a cluster of machines -
Demon don't tell us operational details like that).  For all I know (which
is not at all, because I'm not on-line and haven't checked) and care (which
is even less) there may be a www.tiktok.demon.co.uk (the FQDN doesn't get
created unless the subscriber chooses to upload pages to the server).

So:

    xxxx.demon.co.uk without yyyy.demon.net alias = customer's machine
    (about 80,000 of them)

    xxxx.demon.co.uk with yyy.demon.net alias = Demon server (under 100 of
    them)

    www.xxxx.demon.co.uk = WWW pages hosted on Demon server with content
    controlled by owner of xxxx.demon.co.uk

Clear enough for you?

> The machine I used was also included in my email address..i.e.
> 'puresilk@mariner.cris.com' Yet, mariner.cris.com had no postmaster as
> it is simply the name of the machine I logged into.

And yet again CRIS and Demon differ.  My mail address is
pla@sktb.demon.co.uk.  I have other mail addresses on sktb for various other
purposes, all of which are controlled by ME because sktb is MY machine. 
Demon give me the sktb.demon.co.uk and I control *everything* to the left of
the @.  Postmaster@sktb.demon.co.uk is *me* - try it and see.  In fact
*@sktb.demon.co.uk is *me*, and due to the way I have my software configured
if you send mail to a username I haven't set up I will still get it and be
able to reply to it.  Demon pass on any and all mail (using SMTP) for
sktb.demon.co.uk (no matter what the username, because that's none of their
business, only mine) to my machine for me to deal with as I see fit.  Other
subscribers configure their software to reject mail to usernames they
haven't defined, or to particular usernames (usually to defeat junk e-mail). 
I repeat that anything @sktb.demon.co.uk is ME.  Nobody else, just me.

> Therefore it would be wrong to direct an email message to
> postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk. and would instead be directed
> to postmaster@demon.co.uk.

Therefore it is RIGHT to direct complaints (in the first instance) to
postmaster@tiktok.demon.co.uk as postmaster@tiktok is (or should be) read by
the owner of that machine and the person paying the subscription fees to
Demon.  As I'm sure you're aware, RFC 1123 (Requirements for Internet
hosts - application and support), which is also Internet Standard 3, makes
it MANDATORY for internet hosts to accept (but not necessarily read or
answer) postmaster mail.  Tiktok *is* an internet host in its own right. 
Just because CRIS and usa.net sell you an inferior service, don't assume
that every other ISP does the same.

BTW, usa.net (like many other ISPs) are incorrect to give subscribers 
.net e-mail addresses - .net e-mail addresses are reserved for the employees
of ISPs and similar net infrastructure organizations.  Giving subscribers
.net addresses is the sign of an incompetent ISP (or one that thinks
giving subscribers the thrill of having a .net address is worth the hassle
of others assuming that their subscribers are actually employees).

If postmaster@tiktok does not give you a satisfactory answer *then* you may
have cause to complain to his upstream provider (Demon) *if* he is in
contravention of their news AUP (as far as I can see, he is not).  You can
find the news AUP on ftp.demon.co.uk (a Demon server aliased to
ftp.demon.net) in directory /pub/doc/demon - look for `news' and `AUP' in
the file name...  If he bounces postmaster mail then you have cause to
complain to his upstream provider because he is in contravention of Internet
Standard 3.
 
> As far as posting to the news groups. Don't forget after all, they
> are PUBLIC newsgroups and people have every right to post to this
> newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject.

Unfortunately true, even if they happen to be wrong.

> I think that the scruples (or lack of) of demon.co.uk

Your presumption that Demon lacks scruples is based on an entirely false
understanding of the service they provide and the ownership and control of
tiktok.demon.co.uk.

> should be discussed iin the demon newsgroups.

Not in demon.local though, which is a chatter group and is not required
reading for Demon staff (AFAIK, they've all given up on it as being too
inane).  It is also not a group which FyRE reads (at least I assume not as
I've only seen a handful of posts from him there in 4 years, and those only
in response to keegan and followers), so it won't upset him in the slightest
if you post here.

If you feel you have a *real* complaint (and my opinion is that you do not,
since it is based on false assumptions) then demon.service is the place to
go.  If you follow keegan's recommendations and spam your complaints to
a multitude of other groups as well as demon.service then other people will
have good cause to complain to your provider about you.

> If you can't deal with it, then that's your problem. Sorry 'bout that.

I find stupidity and ignorance hard to deal with, but in this case I've
made the effort in order to correct your comprehensive misunderstanding of
the whole situation.  I hope the effort wasn't wasted.

[Followups set to the only relevant newsgroup in the whole list]

--Paul





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From: Terrance Richard Boyes <tez@pierrot.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/19
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Michael Ozanne (mozanne@pcsngb.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> trouble understanding the situation a simplified version is attached to
> the end of this article.

ROFL

but what happened to the pigeons?

-- 
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1666>                  Team AMIGA
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>As far as posting to the news groups. Don't forget after all, they
>are PUBLIC newsgroups and people have every right to post to this
>newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject.

And just what makes you think demon.local is a "PUBLIC" newsgroup? We have a
newsgroup at work -- chrysler.general. Do you think that's "PUBLIC" too? Do
you think you have a right to post there? If so, you are sadly mistaken...

								- Kevin

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PROFILES IN INCOHERENCE, Part 27:

"those newly emerging into national awareness often confuse what they think 
 the past to have been with what the future could be using what they know next 
 to nothing off..."
				Alan Madsen, amadsen@news.dorsai.org
				2 Jan 1996 02:14:59 GMT



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From: truland@albany.net (David W. Truland)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/20
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kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy), in article
<1996Nov20.003346.1927@rotag.mi.org> wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>In article <32973f15.1447628@news.pacbell.net> puresilk@usa.net ("Pure Silk") writes:
>>
>>As far as posting to the news groups. Don't forget after all, they
>>are PUBLIC newsgroups and people have every right to post to this
>>newsgroup if they feel the post is relevant to the sugject.
>
>And just what makes you think demon.local is a "PUBLIC" newsgroup? 

Perhaps the fact that it is available to any usenet news server in the
entire world?

>We have a
>newsgroup at work -- chrysler.general. Do you think that's "PUBLIC" too? 

Are it's articles broadcast to the entire world?

>Do
>you think you have a right to post there? 

I don't see why not.  If someone wants to censor posts to a certain
group they can either make it moderated or restrict it to the local
network.  If one wants to use usenet one must accept input from
other usenet users.

>If so, you are sadly mistaken...

Of course, kevin.  As usual, everyone but you is 
sadly mistaken.
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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
Date: 1996/11/20
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io1o@mist.demon.co.uk (Iolo Davidson) wrote:

: In article <328f8113.8787135@nntp.netcruiser>
:            jkeegan@ix.netcom.com "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
: > posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
: > so many past forgeries over the years.
: 
: It isn't your address, and you are not the only James Keegan in
: the world

oh look, it's the twit who thinks his name is "imo"
defending forgery from demon.co.uk again. i was wondering
where you were hiding.



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From: truland@albany.net (David W. Truland)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
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"Paul L. Allen" <pla@sktb.demon.co.uk> wrote, in article
<Cr83A0j030n@sktb.demon.co.uk>:
[...]
>We've tried to explain this patiently to you all before.  The domain
>demon.co.uk belongs to Demon Internet Services, just as pacbell.net
>belongs to your provider.  Unlike your provider though, Demon provides
>its subscribers with a whole FQDN of their own, a static IP address and
>the ability to run their own news system.  

This is the same for a static IP at any ISP. 

>Your somebody is posting from
>TIKTOK.demon.co.uk, not demon.co.uk.  Tiktok.demon.co.uk is a full internet
>host in its own right.

Baloney.  You know very well that FyRE's machine does not have it's
own news feed and uses the one from demon.  If Tiktok were running
it's own server software, you might have a point but demon would still
have a responsibility since they are the conduit through which the
wrongdoing occurs.

[...]



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Subject: Keegan's at it again
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jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.) writes:

>io1o@mist.demon.co.uk (Iolo Davidson) wrote:

>: In article <328f8113.8787135@nntp.netcruiser>
>:            jkeegan@ix.netcom.com "james g. keegan jr." writes:
>: 
>: > "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: > the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
>: > posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
>: > so many past forgeries over the years.
>: 
>: It isn't your address, and you are not the only James Keegan in
>: the world

>oh look, it's the twit who thinks his name is "imo"
>defending forgery from demon.co.uk again. i was wondering
>where you were hiding.

Trolling for Iolo again, eh?



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Subject: Re: nora, the woman-hater strikes .....
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:

> 
> have you and iolo been speaking of garroting people with an
> "enormous tampon string," ms peal?

No more than you have...

"(i wonder if sharon is worried about being garroted with a "tampon
string" if nora gets mad at her"

J. Keegan in article 3282c255.11295281@nntp.netcruiser

> 
>   [grabs the enormous tampon string hanging between Pure
>   Silks knees and garrotes her with it]
>   ....Nora Peal in <4vbil5$enr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>

-feh.

-- 
*  _ __/|    TJ "Spark" Miller jr... Heretic in the Keeganite Church
*  \\'X.X'                           and probationary Jester of Lies
*  =(___)=                                                          
*      U     My opinions do not represent those of Sparky, a real   
*  MEOW!!!   cool denizen of alt.butt.harp who cooks a mean catfish.



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
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truland@albany.net (David W. Truland) wrote:

: "Paul L. Allen" <pla@sktb.demon.co.uk> wrote, in article
: <Cr83A0j030n@sktb.demon.co.uk>:
: [...]
: >We've tried to explain this patiently to you all before.  The domain
: >demon.co.uk belongs to Demon Internet Services, just as pacbell.net
: >belongs to your provider.  Unlike your provider though, Demon provides
: >its subscribers with a whole FQDN of their own, a static IP address and
: >the ability to run their own news system.  
: 
: This is the same for a static IP at any ISP. 

paul knows that.
: 
: >Your somebody is posting from
: >TIKTOK.demon.co.uk, not demon.co.uk.  Tiktok.demon.co.uk is a full internet
: >host in its own right.
: 
: Baloney.  You know very well that FyRE's machine does not have it's
: own news feed and uses the one from demon.  If Tiktok were running
: it's own server software, you might have a point but demon would still
: have a responsibility since they are the conduit through which the
: wrongdoing occurs.

paul knows that too.

does that make you wonder?
: [...]




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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: nora, the woman-hater strikes .....
Date: 1996/11/21
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norapeal@staff.uiuc.edu (peal nora c) wrote:

: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.) writes:
: 
: >io1o@mist.demon.co.uk (Iolo Davidson) wrote:
: 
: >: In article <328f8113.8787135@nntp.netcruiser>
: >:            jkeegan@ix.netcom.com "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: >: 
: >: > "james g. keegan jr" <keegan@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >: > the preceeding post was not mine, of course, but libelously
: >: > posted in my name from demon.co.uk, the site involved in
: >: > so many past forgeries over the years.
: >: 
: >: It isn't your address, and you are not the only James Keegan in
: >: the world
: 
: >oh look, it's the twit who thinks his name is "imo"
: >defending forgery from demon.co.uk again. i was wondering
: >where you were hiding.
: 
: Trolling for Iolo again, eh?

have you and iolo been speaking of garroting people with an
"enormous tampon string," ms peal?

  [grabs the enormous tampon string hanging between Pure
  Silks knees and garrotes her with it]
  ....Nora Peal in <4vbil5$enr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>





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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:45:04 GMT, jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g.
keegan jr.) wrote:

>norapeal@staff.uiuc.edu (peal nora c) wrote:

[...]
>: 
>: Trolling for Iolo again, eh?
>
>have you and iolo been speaking of garroting people with an
>"enormous tampon string," ms peal?
>
>  [grabs the enormous tampon string hanging between Pure
>  Silks knees and garrotes her with it]
>  ....Nora Peal in <4vbil5$enr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
>
>

They may also be discussing violence in the schools, the
way Nora is going these days...

You are, of course, assuming that his teacher survived
the Show And Tell day Logan brought his machete AND
thermo-nuclear devise?  Nora Peal in <56u6cg$2so@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>





"Pure Silk"
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Subject: Re: The Peals as Parents
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In article <329459fe.19039554@news.albany.net>,
truland@albany.net (David W. Truland) wrote:

>You know very well that FyRE's machine does not have it's
>own news feed and uses the one from demon.

I for one know of no such thing, no demon customer is forced to use Demon's
news server, and Demon make a server available for public use. If you wish,
you may use it, provided of course that your ISP provides a full internet
connection.





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From: Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: Attention Limeys: Bombs Forthcoming
Date: 1996/11/21
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> >Although Ken, I can appreciate your desire to take sides with your fellow
> >americans in this, I can see no need for you to side with the most miserable
> >and pathetic dickhead on the group. You ought to consider dropping this one
> >before you do yourself irrepairable long term damage.
> >
> >Andrew/

Oh yeah, sound advice coming from the fuckwit who came to the defense of
Koopman's racist tirades on the Olympic games not to mention the
Clog-fuck twins.  Face it "Andwew", you hit rock bottom a week ago and
now you're starting to dig.  

Ken



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: demon "defamed?"
Date: 1996/11/22
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io1o@mist.demon.co.uk (Iolo Davidson) wrote:
[...]
: Demon might object to being defamed, though.  

what could one say that would defame demon?

: What 
: they do about it is up to them.  I believe they are currently 
: suing someone for defamation.

i'd love to hear the details. it seems to me they'd be far
more likely to be on the receiving end of any such
litigation.



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From: jamick@intercall.com (John Amick)
Subject: MAILBANK/FREEVIEW: MAYBE THE MOTHER OF ALL NET ABUSE!!!
Date: 1996/07/27
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This one just may take the cake:

It appears that a company in Vancouver, Canada named Freeview a.k.a.
Mailbank has snatched over EIGHT THOUSAND domain names and are just
waiting for us eager net-lemmings to beg for their use.

They seem to have grabbed most available surnames, i.e., (amick.com),
and are selling an E-mail account for $4.95 per year, or a pointer to
a web page at your IP address for $99 per year.  In other words, they
control the domain at their discretion - you have no way of
registering your name as a domain to your server without going through
these folks/crooks.

The question is, are they doing this as a service to allow people to
share a desired domain, or are they simply thinking $$$?

IF IT IS THE LATTER, when these satanic morons were dreaming up their
scheme they were probably laughing out loud at the fact that nobody
had thought of doing this before.  Makes me wanna yell, NO, YOU GREEDY
A**HOLES, NOBODY HAS BEEN DISHONEST AND INCONSIDERATE ENOUGH TO DO IT
ON THIS SCALE BEFORE!!!!

The FAQ at their web page (www.mailbank.com) seems laughable:

>     How can MailBank have a domain name which is the same as my last
>     name?
>
>          MailBank, like everyone else, is governed by the
>          policies of the various Internet authorities...

Yeah, so, I'm governed by the laws of physics as well.  What's your
point?

>          ...and believes that everyone should have the right to use
>          their last name as an e-mail address. 

>     MailBank has the domain name I want. Will you transfer it to me?
>     Will you sell it?

Betcha' can guess the answer to THIS one...

>          Based on the number of requests that we have received
>          in the last few weeks to give-up, release, and sell, it
>          is clear that we are going to be asked to do this many
>          times. And, it might be many times a day.

<snip lesson on the Internet phenom..>

>          We are thrilled to be in a position to have a business
>          where we can provide a desired service at a cost that
>          many consider very affordable. If we gave up our
>          domains, we would not have a business. 

That might be nice...

>          We reject offers
>          to sell domains because of our commitment to our
>          business as a whole.

Hey, you guessed it right!

Now, for an extended nose,  fingers crossed and through the teeth
finale that would make Richard Nixon proud:

>     Did you just snatch up domain names in the hope of selling them
>     for a quick buck?
>
>          No, MailBank is not speculating on domains in the hope
>          of selling them. We provide an e-mail service and offer
>          the domains to our clients to make the service better.
>          We cater to thousands of people who just want an e-mail
>          service with an e-mail address that is tailored for
>          them. It may be based on their name, on their
>          profession, or it might be something that is for fun.
>          They are not interested in the expense or hassle of
>          setting up a domain or server.

Top it off with a cute-as-kittens closer:

>          We already have a nine year old client, several in
>          their 60's, and many in between. They do not view the
>          Internet in the same way as someone who is looking for
>          a web site. We believe that, with MailBank, a greater
>          number of people will be able to enjoy each domain name
>          than if it were registered to others.

Isn't that special.

So what do you think?  Evil, greedy domain snatchers, or just good
folk tryin' to be helpful to fellow netizens??  Anybody know anything
about this outfit and their practices?

John A in NJ






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From: bob@vrx.net (Bob Allisat)
Subject: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
Date: 1996/08/01
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Richard Turner <rturner@ecg.com> wrote:
: At whatever the point is, Bob historically crossposts one under
: the "magic number", doing everything in his power to disrupt, get
: cancelled and then cry "foul".   Then, I guess, he gets to sit in
: the glow of massive attention.   Who knows the inner workings of
: a kook's mind?
: I don't have anything to do with the spam cancelling process or know
: what the current threshholds are, but I would suspect that Bob,s
: behavior over the years has earned him a prime place in autocancellors
: all over usenet.

         You don't have the facts in front of you?
         You don't fucking know what the generally
         accepted standards are?! What kind of a moron
         are you Mr. Turner? You believe Mr. Isley when
         he spouts his mad "I am the king of Atlanta"
         number without knowing the facts? Absurd.

         Well the facts are that I both am well within
         the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
         I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
         ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay 
         within the frigging rules and along comes some
         control freak screaming "NEW RULES, NEW RULES!"

         Makes ya kinda wonder about escalating this thing
         right into a cancelation war that will make the
         old Fidonet c-warz look like a kid's picnic. I feel
         like canceling everything on Usenet. What's the
         differance? It's all noise to me maybe.

                          Bob Allisat



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From: landolt@passport.ca (J. Paul Landolt)
Subject: Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
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bob@vrx.net (Bob Allisat) writes:

>Richard Turner <rturner@ecg.com> wrote:
>: At whatever the point is, Bob historically crossposts one under
>: the "magic number", doing everything in his power to disrupt, get
>: cancelled and then cry "foul".

I would agree with you except for one point.  Bob does not Xpost _under_ the
limit, he Xposts well over the limit.  The generally accepted number for
xposts is 10 groups.  In this specific message, the xpost list is at 14.
I'vw seen him send to 25.  I also seem to recall a xpost to 80 groups or so
(but I can't verify that)


>  Then, I guess, he gets to sit in
>: the glow of massive attention.   Who knows the inner workings of
>: a kook's mind?

>: I don't have anything to do with the spam cancelling process or know
>: what the current threshholds are, but I would suspect that Bob,s
>: behavior over the years has earned him a prime place in autocancellors
>: all over usenet.

Yup, but, like any good cockroach, Mr. Allisat keeps showing up.


>         You don't have the facts in front of you?
>         You don't fucking know what the generally
>         accepted standards are?!

This should be interesting.  oh bob, PLEASE tell US what the generally
accepted standards are.  I don't think you have a clue.


>         Well the facts are that I both am well within
>         the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
>         I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
>         ALONE.

Ah, the cry of the poor, persecuted fool.  Mr Allisat. The facts are 
that you continually xpost over the acceptable limit (this message, at 14
is just one more example), and that when you Get cancelled or your ISP
yanks your account, you cry CENSOR or NAZI and expect the rest of the
bleeding heart liberals to rally around your banner since someone called
you on your actions.



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From: gordon@pinetree.pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Subject: Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
Date: 1996/08/02
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Bob Allisat (bob@vrx.net) wrote:
:          Makes ya kinda wonder about escalating this thing
:          right into a cancelation war that will make the
:          old Fidonet c-warz look like a kid's picnic. I feel
:          like canceling everything on Usenet. What's the
:          differance? It's all noise to me maybe.

I'm puzzled, Bob.  If it's all noise to you then why do you continue to 
participate?

  --G

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From: af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds)
Subject: Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
Date: 1996/08/03
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: Bob Allisat (bob@vrx.net) wrote:
: :          Makes ya kinda wonder about escalating this thing
: :          right into a cancelation war that will make the
: :          old Fidonet c-warz look like a kid's picnic. I feel
: :          like canceling everything on Usenet. What's the
: :          differance? It's all noise to me maybe.

(Gordon Dewis) wrote:
: I'm puzzled, Bob.  If it's all noise to you then why do you continue to
: participate?

  Clearly because Allisat is here to distribute skinhead propaganda.

-- 
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From: af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds)
Subject: Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
Date: 1996/08/03
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(Bob Allisat) wrote:
: Well the facts are that I both am well within
: the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
: I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
: ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
: within the frigging rules and along comes some
: control freak screaming "NEW RULES, NEW RULES!"

  You are a fruitcake Bob.  Do you shave your head?

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From: mrclean@news.vrx.net (MrClean)
Subject: Toronto Has Sexier Men than Hicktown atlanta (was Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
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In article <4u0f6t$p05@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>,
Scott Nudds <af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote:
>(Our Bob) wrote:
>: Well the facts are that I both am well within
>: the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
>: I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
>: ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
>: within the frigging rules and along comes some
>: control freak screaming "NEW RULES, NEW RULES!"
>
>  You are a fruitcake Bob.  Do you shave your head?
>

You sir are in error. Bob is a lean clean heterosex machine, a former 
alumni wrestler and sports a full head of ash brown hair.

Now cut the bullshit and stop rubbing Isley's weasel.

 

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From: bob@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat)
Subject: Re: ?? CANCEL WAR ?? (Re: Free speech. Dead in Georgia ?)
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I, Bob Allisat <bob@vrx.net> wrote:
: Well the facts are that I both am well within
: the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
: I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
: ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
: within the frigging rules and along comes some
: control freak screaming "NEW RULES, NEW RULES!"


Scott Nudds <af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote:
>  You are a fruitcake Bob.  Do you shave your head?


Go back to Hamilton Mr. Nudds. You just
don't seem to be following the discussion.
Either that or all those heavy metals in
in your H20 have made their mark.

Howz'at for a answer? 

TeleVirtually Yours,

Bob Allisat                           tor@wtv.net
Director,
World Televirtual Network      http://www.wtv.net



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af329@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Scott Nudds) wrote:

>: Bob Allisat (bob@vrx.net) wrote:
>: :          Makes ya kinda wonder about escalating this thing
>: :          right into a cancelation war that will make the
>: :          old Fidonet c-warz look like a kid's picnic. I feel
>: :          like canceling everything on Usenet. What's the
>: :          differance? It's all noise to me maybe.

>(Gordon Dewis) wrote:
>: I'm puzzled, Bob.  If it's all noise to you then why do you continue to
>: participate?

>  Clearly because Allisat is here to distribute skinhead propaganda.

I've never seen BA spreading skinhead propaganda.  BONEheaded
propaganda, definitely, but not SKINhead...

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kevin mcnamara wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>       Anybody can do this. I myself am a young lad. Follow the
> instructions and your on your way to spendable cash.
> 
> >> NO - NOT AT A CASINO - RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET!
> >>
> >> Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions
> >>you ever made.
> >> My name is not important. What is important is what happened to me
> >> In December 1994, my business went bankrupt because of the poor
> >> state of the economy. My cars were repossessed and debt collectors
> >>were
> >> hounding me like you would not believe. I owed thousands and
> >>bankruptcy
> >> seemed to be my only future. My family, my reputation, my sanity and
> >>my
> >> life was at stake. I became very ill.
> >>
> >>On 9 January 1995, I saw an article in an Internet Newsgroup telling
> >>me
> >> I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I
> >> thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my attorney and friends about
> >>it
> >> and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate
> >>struggling court to keep from going bankrupt, I decided I had nothing
> >>to lose.
> 
> >> My family and I in desperation, grasped at straws and sent $1 by
> >>snail
> >> mail to each of 5 names and addresses specified in the article. We
> >>then placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in
> >>200
> >> other newsgroups.
> >>
> >> Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not
> >> believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4
> >>weeks,
> >> I received a total of $57 883. It came from all over the world.
> >>
> >> If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why
> >>the
> >> same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate
> >>investment
> >> opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your
> >>investment.
> >> So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER -
> >>PERFECTLY
> >> LEGITIMATE!
> >>
> >> OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT
> >>PLEASE
> >> PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE
> >>ADVANTAGE.
> >>
> >> The procedure is very simple.
> >>
> >> STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper
> >>with
> >> the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or
> >>money
> >> order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to
> >>the
> >> following five addresses:
> >>
> >>
> >>.1 KEVIN KOPEC, 78 MICHAEL DRIVE, RED BANK, NJ 07701 USA
> >> 2. GREG CARROLL, 3658 MAURICE AVE, FT. WORTH, TX 76111 USA
> >> 3. MIKE BUREK, 2007 SUNNY BROOK DRIVE, AUSTIN, TX 78723-3451 USA
> >> 4. TODD FOGGOA, 75 COURTNEY RD, DARTMOUTH, NS B3A4C3 CANADA
> >> 5. KEVIN C. MCNAMARA, 26-02 24 AVE, ASTORIA, NY 11102 USA
> 
> >>
> >> STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names
> >>up
> >> (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as
> >>number 5
> >> on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply
> >>editing
> >> and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.
> >>
> >> STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there
> >>are
> >> 17 000 of them).
> >>
> >> You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start
> >> receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more
> >>newsgroups
> >> you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a
> >>Post
> >> Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive.
> >>
> >> If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as
> 
> >> "The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is
> >>correct!
> >>
> >> NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!
> >>
> >> Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES
> >>-
> >> ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200
> >> postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5.
> >>
> >> Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200
> >> additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
> >> On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
> >> number 4. You make $50.
> >>
> >> Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
> >> or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
> >> make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
> >> = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.
> >> Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER
> 
> >> and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list.
> >> AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total
> >> income in one cycle = $55 500.
> >>
> >> From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
> >> the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
> >> ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
> >> AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
> >> a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return.
> >>
> >> Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST
> >>FACTORS
> >> ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five
> >> dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
> >> RETURNS.
> >>
> >> Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
> >> out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
> >>what are the chances of that happening?
> >>
> >> Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
> >> many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with
> >> COMPLETELY NEW people participating?
> 
> >> There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
> >> OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!
> >>
> >> Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
> >> the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
> >> to this article easily.
> >>
> >> Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
> >> an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
> >> fairly. You know where your name should be.
> >>
> >> REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
> >>  ENJOY!
> 
> >   If you have any doubts just try it. Even if you only make $300.
> >it's still $300 more than what you started with. THIS IS NOT A
> >SCAM!!!!!!!!



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From: Bill Joseph <nyjop@ny.ubs.com>
Subject: Re: Turn $5 into thousands and help Montoursville's Crash Victims of TWA Fl 800
Date: 1996/08/05
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BTW-

I can not think of a lower form of life than one who would attempt to
capitalize on the tragic deaths of 230 innocent people. And lets not
forget the hundreds of people that helped participate in the the
attempted rescue operation.

If you are reading this and want to help Montoursville High School or
just all of the victims in general, contact the school directly. Or
contact the American Red Cross or the New York City Mayors office. You
might even try the US Coast Guard and TWA.

--Bill

S. Frye wrote:
> 
> I have seen this ad a couple of times and now am responding and sending
> my $5.00 to the people below (what�s $5.00) if people aren�t honest, it is
> no big deal; however, I now have a greater cause for the funds which
> includes donating the majority of the funds to a local cause which is
> known worldwide- the crash victims of Montoursville, PA USA of TWA�s
> Flight 800 where we lost 16 French Club students and 5 chaparones.  I set
> up a web page or moreso donated our normal homepage to their memory
> for the next month or so and have received over 300,000 hits and over
> 5,000 emails!!!  Our goal now is to provide Internet access to the school
> in their name instead of some monument which has no long term redeeming
> value as to students now and what this negative has caused which we
> would like to turn it into some kind of positive.
> 
> Thus, this is why I am willing to risk this nominal sum in hopes of being
> rewarding 10 fold as we have donated a lot so far to this cause and
> continue to do so-what else can we do and I thought one this deals
> would be excellent to see what happens and to report this to the press
> covering this issue (which we have and continue to have).
> 
> Thanks for the opportunity and please read below:
> 
>  Let's review the reasons why you should do this:  The only cost factors
>  are five stamps, five envelopes, and five dollar bills [in Canada, you can even
>  purchase 5 $1 U.S. bills at the bank].  Then simply repost the article
>  WITH YOUR NAME ADDED to all the newsgroups and local BBB's you can, then
>  sit back and scoop up the rewards.  We all have five dollars to put into
>  such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR RETURNS OF $15,000 to
>  $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks.  What do you have to lose?!?
> 
>  *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE ***
> 
>  Read the instructions carefully and play fairly...that's the only way
>  this will work.  Get a printout so you can refer back to this easily.
> 
>  INSTRUCTIONS:
> 
>  1.  Take a sheet of paper and write "Please add my name to your list" on
>  it.  This creates a service out of this money-making system and thus
>  makes it completely legal.  Include your name and address, and put what
>  slot their name was in.
> 
>  2.  Now fold the sheet of paper around a dollar bill, put it into the
>  envelope and mail it to the people on the list.  BE SURE TO FOLD THE
>  PAPER AROUND THE BILL TO ENSURE THAT IT WILL ARRIVE AT ITS DESTINATION.
> 
>  3.  Now, here's how you get your money:  Look at the list of five people,
>  remove the name from the number one slot and move everyone up one
>  position, placing your name in the number five position. TAKE CARE THAT
>  YOU ENTER THE ADDRESSES CORRECTLY -- DOUBLE CHECK YOUR TYPING  -- ONE
>  TYPO IN SOMEONE'S  ADDRESS IS ALL IT TAKES TO SPOIL THIS SYSTEM FOR THAT
>  PERSON!!
> 
>  4.  Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and BBB's as you
>  can.  Give a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  Such
>  as:  "$$CASH IN QUICK, READ HOW NOW!!",  "NEED FAST CASH? HERE IT IS!!",
>   and so on.  The more uploads, the more money you and the others on the
>  list will make.  LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY
>  PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THE PROFITABLE AND AMAZING SYSTEM!!!!!
> 
>  5.  JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS WAY!!  Expect to
>  see a little money in about 2 weeks, but at weeks three and four, THE
>  MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!
> 
>  6.  Now when you get low on your money supply, simply re-activate this
>  file and re-post it in the old places and maybe some new ones.
> 
>  *** THE NAMES LIST ***
> 
>  1.      SHANE MILLER
>          2108 JOLINE
>          WICHITA FALLS, TX  76308  USA
> 
>  1.      KEVIN KOPEC
>          78 MICHAEL DRIVE
>          RED BANK, NJ  07701  USA
> 
>  2.      GREG CARROLL
>          3658 MAURICE AVE
>          FT. WORTH, TX  76111  USA
> 
>  3.      MIKE BUREK
>          2007 SUNNY BROOK DRIVE
>          AUSTIN, TX  78723-3451  USA
> 
>  4.      C. RIDA
>          PO BOX 39210
>          3695 WEST 10TH AVE
>          VANCOUVER, BC   V6R 4P1   CANADA
> 
> 5.      S. FRYE
>          346 BROAD ST
>          MONTOURSVILLE, PA 17754 USA
> 
>  Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an
>  eye on the local postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.  You
>  know where your name should be.
> 
>  AGAIN, HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN.



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This is against postal regulations, Dummy. They will get you for this.



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From: turmoil@animal.blarg.net (Turmoil)
Subject: MAIL SPAM FROM INTEAM.COM
Date: 1996/08/07
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Subject: Email Spam from inteam.com 

I wonder how many of you got mail recently from inteam.com I won't quote
the mail but it was a typical spam with a work at home make bucks bucks
watching tv type scam. A trace route shows that inteam.com is hosted by
our local provider wolfenet. I called and spoke with Irving Wolfe. He says
that they don't allow that, and that he had gotten email about it. But a
trace route a moment ago still shows inteam.com coming from
dedicated.wolfenet.com I recall not long ago where wolfenet was pretty
slow about stopping ther spammers that wanted to use his network for
unsolicted scam advertising. 

I also did a whois on inteam.com, this shows the domain being owned by a
micrologic Corp @ 3033 127th Pl SE Bellevue WA.  Admin email is given as a
lyle@seanet.com the phone number is 206-865-9000. I spoke with lyle there
and he informed me that MicroLogic was a "presence provider" that they had
"multiple t1s"  and that it was a "free world, we can email anyone we
want". I mentioned that I would share this information with the rest of
the Internet Community, he replied "have them call me".

Well I think that if you want to do a bit to stop this junk email you
should take lyle up on this, you should call him, and email him. You
should also call and email the admins at seanet and wolfenet and let them
know that this is not the kind of customer they should be catering to. 
So far our local provider have been good about not allowing this type of
garbage from thier systems, but it seems we have to keep the pressure on.

I hope this is helpfull to people here. 


turmoil

PS, I wrote this last night, but was having tech difficulties so I didn't
post till this morning. As of NOW, a traceroute still shows inteam.com
coming from our local seattle provider wolfenet.com
-- 
                              turmoil's seattle music web
                             http://www.blarg.net/~turmoil



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In article <turmoil.839432677@animal.blarg.net>, turmoil@animal.blarg.net
(Turmoil) wrote:


>
>PS, I wrote this last night, but was having tech difficulties so I didn't
>post till this morning. As of NOW, a traceroute still shows inteam.com
>coming from our local seattle provider wolfenet.com
  I wounder how much pressure it will take on Irving to yank -this- feed,
sigh Wolfenet again.

Ralph

-- 
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN           e-mail to dragonsl@scn.org (read daily)
RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/
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From: Bert <bertw@govcda.ca>
Subject: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/08
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Bob Allisat (a.k.a. "strung-out 60's flowerchild" wrote:
> 
> I, Bob Allisat <bob@vrx.net> wrote:
> : Well the facts are that I both am well within
> : the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
> : I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
> : ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
> 


Dear Bob (Senior Director of the WhattheFucksAVirtualWorld),

Why don't you do us all a really big favour and fuck off!
All this typical Canadian bullshit blaming white anglo males for your
pitiful life -- the french, the aboriginals (indians)...and of course,
the usual drivel you whiny little cocksuckers utter with your little
threats like "...our day will come..."
 
Well I got news for you, my little Birkenstock-wearing,
mung-bean-eating, self-important fagboy, the world is becoming more and
more right-wing and capitalist, and little useless fucks like you will
enventually be reduced to nothing (not a big change, I guess).  If you
doubt it, look around you...even Canada (thank god) is becoming more
like the U.S.  Eventually, we can hope that we adopt the Singaporean
model where burden-on-society asswipes like you simply disappear like
shit off the sidewalk.

So keep on writing your communist drivel supporting the somali's and
the  ever-complaining indians (you know, those lovely squaws and braves
who make their living evading taxes, smuggling controlled substances,
and demanding money..) and the french...after all, it is the Canadian
thing to do...but rest assured that your ideas are about as in synch
with today's society as the Berlin wall.

If you don't like Canada (as you regularly wail on about), go back to
Hungaria, you useless fuck. Us Anglo males really look forward to
pissing in your face when our day comes...real soon now!



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From: bob@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/09
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Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> wrote:
>Dear Bob (Senior Director of the WhattheFucksAVirtualWorld),
>
>Why don't you do us all a really big favour and fuck off!
>All this typical Canadian bullshit blaming white anglo males for your
>pitiful life -- the french, the aboriginals (indians)...and of course,
>the usual drivel you whiny little cocksuckers utter with your little
>threats like "...our day will come..."
> 
>Well I got news for you, my little Birkenstock-wearing,
>mung-bean-eating, self-important fagboy, the world is becoming more and
>more right-wing and capitalist, and little useless fucks like you will
>enventually be reduced to nothing (not a big change, I guess).  If you
>doubt it, look around you...even Canada (thank god) is becoming more
>like the U.S.  Eventually, we can hope that we adopt the Singaporean
>model where burden-on-society asswipes like you simply disappear like
>shit off the sidewalk.
>
>So keep on writing your communist drivel supporting the somali's and
>the  ever-complaining indians (you know, those lovely squaws and braves
>who make their living evading taxes, smuggling controlled substances,
>and demanding money..) and the french...after all, it is the Canadian
>thing to do...but rest assured that your ideas are about as in synch
>with today's society as the Berlin wall.
>
>If you don't like Canada (as you regularly wail on about), go back to
>Hungaria, you useless fuck. Us Anglo males really look forward to
>pissing in your face when our day comes...real soon now!


Introductions are not necessary.
See most of these people already
know that I'm everything you wrote
and *more*. Then again they also
don't know you from a squirrel's
asshole. So "Bert". How does it
feel to be made a fool of in front
of all your whitey, control freak,
facsist peers? especially by a
commie pinko leftist tree-hugger?

TeleVirtually Yours,

Bob Allisat                           tor@wtv.net
Director,
World Televirtual Network      http://www.wtv.net



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From: iain@io.org (Iain Grant)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
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bob@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat) wrote:

>asshole. So "Bert". How does it
>feel to be made a fool of in front
>of all your whitey, control freak,

I can't keep up on PC-speak.  What in the hell is a 'whitey' ?

Iain.





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Bob Allisat <bob@news.vrx.net> wrote:
>>.......... So "Bert". How does it
>>feel to be made a fool of in front
>>of all your whitey, control freak,

Iain Grant <iain@io.org> wrote:
>I can't keep up on PC-speak.  What in the hell is a 'whitey' ?


I am a "whitey". I am, however,
pleased to say that I am not a
"control freak," etc. That I 
leave up to the sad "bert"s of
this world. The perfect tools
of the consumerist industrial
American New World Order of
oppression and devastation.

TeleVirtually Yours,

Bob Allisat                           tor@wtv.net
Director,
World Televirtual Network      http://www.wtv.net




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From: omicron kappa <ok249tke@popalex1.linknet.net>
Subject: Re: EASIEST MONEY YOU'LL EVER MAKE!   GUARENTEED!!!!
Date: 1996/08/09
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Bill Joseph wrote:
> 
> Postmaster,
> 
> Please be advised that this message was posted to a.bsu.talk,aaa.net,
> abest.announce, abest.general, abest.sale, abg.tip-info,
> alt.america.online, alt.anonymous, alt.anonymous.messages,
> alt.binaries.scanmaster, alt.binaries.hackers,alt.bored,
> alt.business.home.pc, alt.business.misc, alt.college.fraternities,
> alt.crackers, alt.cracks,talk.rumors, ny.general, ny.wanted. These posts
> are illegal, they violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 1302,
> the Postal Lottery Statute.
> 
> Please see to it that this users account is terminated, and the post is
> being forwarded to the US Postal Inspectors.
> 
> kevin mcnamara wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >       Anybody can do this. I myself am a young lad. Follow the
> > instructions and your on your way to spendable cash.
> >
> > >> NO - NOT AT A CASINO - RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET!
> > >>
> > >> Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions
> > >>you ever made.
> > >> My name is not important. What is important is what happened to me
> > >> In December 1994, my business went bankrupt because of the poor
> > >> state of the economy. My cars were repossessed and debt collectors
> > >>were
> > >> hounding me like you would not believe. I owed thousands and
> > >>bankruptcy
> > >> seemed to be my only future. My family, my reputation, my sanity and
> > >>my
> > >> life was at stake. I became very ill.
> > >>
> > >>On 9 January 1995, I saw an article in an Internet Newsgroup telling
> > >>me
> > >> I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I
> > >> thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my attorney and friends about
> > >>it
> > >> and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate
> > >>struggling court to keep from going bankrupt, I decided I had nothing
> > >>to lose.
> >
> > >> My family and I in desperation, grasped at straws and sent $1 by
> > >>snail
> > >> mail to each of 5 names and addresses specified in the article. We
> > >>then placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in
> > >>200
> > >> other newsgroups.
> > >>
> > >> Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not
> > >> believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4
> > >>weeks,
> > >> I received a total of $57 883. It came from all over the world.
> > >>
> > >> If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why
> > >>the
> > >> same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate
> > >>investment
> > >> opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your
> > >>investment.
> > >> So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER -
> > >>PERFECTLY
> > >> LEGITIMATE!
> > >>
> > >> OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT
> > >>PLEASE
> > >> PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE
> > >>ADVANTAGE.
> > >>
> > >> The procedure is very simple.
> > >>
> > >> STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper
> > >>with
> > >> the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or
> > >>money
> > >> order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to
> > >>the
> > >> following five addresses:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>.1 KEVIN KOPEC, 78 MICHAEL DRIVE, RED BANK, NJ 07701 USA
> > >> 2. GREG CARROLL, 3658 MAURICE AVE, FT. WORTH, TX 76111 USA
> > >> 3. MIKE BUREK, 2007 SUNNY BROOK DRIVE, AUSTIN, TX 78723-3451 USA
> > >> 4. TODD FOGGOA, 75 COURTNEY RD, DARTMOUTH, NS B3A4C3 CANADA
> > >> 5. KEVIN C. MCNAMARA, 26-02 24 AVE, ASTORIA, NY 11102 USA
> >
> > >>
> > >> STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names
> > >>up
> > >> (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as
> > >>number 5
> > >> on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply
> > >>editing
> > >> and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.
> > >>
> > >> STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there
> > >>are
> > >> 17 000 of them).
> > >>
> > >> You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start
> > >> receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more
> > >>newsgroups
> > >> you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a
> > >>Post
> > >> Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive.
> > >>
> > >> If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as
> >
> > >> "The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is
> > >>correct!
> > >>
> > >> NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!
> > >>
> > >> Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES
> > >>-
> > >> ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200
> > >> postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5.
> > >>
> > >> Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200
> > >> additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
> > >> On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
> > >> number 4. You make $50.
> > >>
> > >> Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
> > >> or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
> > >> make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
> > >> = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.
> > >> Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER
> >
> > >> and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list.
> > >> AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total
> > >> income in one cycle = $55 500.
> > >>
> > >> From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
> > >> the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
> > >> ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
> > >> AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
> > >> a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return.
> > >>
> > >> Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST
> > >>FACTORS
> > >> ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five
> > >> dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
> > >> RETURNS.
> > >>
> > >> Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
> > >> out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
> > >>what are the chances of that happening?
> > >>
> > >> Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
> > >> many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with
> > >> COMPLETELY NEW people participating?
> >
> > >> There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
> > >> OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!
> > >>
> > >> Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
> > >> the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
> > >> to this article easily.
> > >>
> > >> Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
> > >> an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
> > >> fairly. You know where your name should be.
> > >>
> > >> REMEMBER - HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
> > >>  ENJOY!
> >
> > >   If you have any doubts just try it. Even if you only make $300.
> > >it's still $300 more than what you started with. THIS IS NOT A
> > >SCAM!!!!!!!!


	stop posting this shit in our news group!! It is a scam, it is called a
chain letter and it is considered illegal by the USPostal service.  we
don't want it we don't need it so cut it out!!




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From: chpparkr@atl.mindspring.com (Chip Parker)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/09
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bob@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat) wrote:

>Bob Allisat <bob@news.vrx.net> wrote:
>>>.......... So "Bert". How does it
>>>feel to be made a fool of in front
>>>of all your whitey, control freak,

>Iain Grant <iain@io.org> wrote:
>>I can't keep up on PC-speak.  What in the hell is a 'whitey' ?


>I am a "whitey". I am, however,
>pleased to say that I am not a
>"control freak," etc. That I 
>leave up to the sad "bert"s of
>this world. The perfect tools
>of the consumerist industrial
>American New World Order of
>oppression and devastation.

>TeleVirtually Yours,

>Bob Allisat                           tor@wtv.net
>Director,
>World Televirtual Network      http://www.wtv.net

Based on these postings and the voluminous preceding postings
involving or discussing Mr. Allisat, it really does make sense to fund
research into a form of optically administered sedatives which could
be absorbed by staring at a computer screen.  The longer the stare,
the more sedative taken. It would either calm the participants or
eliminate those who over did themselves.

Chip Parker




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From: ariel@nntp.best.com (Catherine Hampton)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/09
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Anyone in favor of putting Bert and Bob Allisat on the same desert
island?  I'm not sure whose drivel is more insulting. <wry grin>

Teach me not to kilfile anything =mentioning= Allisat -- he seems
to attract the opponents he deserves.

Catherine



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Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
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Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> wrote:

Blah, Blah, Blah . . . 

Hey dude.  Get pissed.  Let it all hang out.  
Do you feel better?  Good.

Now shut up and let me sleep.

Arnk, arnk, arnk -  ew





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Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
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On Fri, 09 Aug 1996 06:42:25 GMT, iain@io.org (Iain Grant) wrote:

>bob@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat) wrote:
>
>>asshole. So "Bert". How does it
>>feel to be made a fool of in front
>>of all your whitey, control freak,
>
>I can't keep up on PC-speak.  What in the hell is a 'whitey' ?

I thought that "whitey" was synonymous to "honkey".

Now, who was it that said that Allisat was polite?

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Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> wrote in article <320AB07F.16B8@govcda.ca>...
> Bob Allisat (a.k.a. "strung-out 60's flowerchild" wrote:
> > 
> > I, Bob Allisat <bob@vrx.net> wrote:
> > : Well the facts are that I both am well within
> > : the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
> > : I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
> > : ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
> > 
> 
> 
> Dear Bob (Senior Director of the WhattheFucksAVirtualWorld),
> 
> Why don't you do us all a really big favour and fuck off!
>  
> Well I got news for you, my little Birkenstock-wearing,
> mung-bean-eating, self-important fagboy, the world is becoming more and
> more right-wing and capitalist, and little useless fucks like you will
> enventually be reduced to nothing (not a big change, I guess).  If you
> doubt it, look around you...even Canada (thank god) is becoming more
> like the U.S.  
> 
> So keep on writing your communist drivel supporting the somali's and
> the  ever-complaining indians 
> ,
>and the french...after all, it is the Canadian
> thing to do...but rest assured that your ideas are about as in synch
> with today's society as the Berlin wall.
> 
> If you don't like Canada (as you regularly wail on about), go back to
> Hungaria, you useless fuck. Us Anglo males really look forward to
> pissing in your face when our day comes...real soon now!
> 
Ditto! Couldn`t have said it any better myself... perhaps not in such
strong language but close. The left-wing lesbian feminists and limp wristed
panty-wetters are definately in the minority contrary to what the liberal
media would have you believe, and the majority of Canadians immigrants
included are sick of this constant whining and complaining... if you don`t
like the people in this country, then I`m sure quebec will take you... if
you don`t speak English.




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From: dreilley@pinc.com (David Reilley)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/09
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In article <01bb8655$26201700$281a9aa5@hal> "Colin P. Smith" <smith5@nic.ott.hookup.net> writes:

>Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> wrote in article <320AB07F.16B8@govcda.ca>...
>> Bob Allisat (a.k.a. "strung-out 60's flowerchild" wrote:
>> > 
>> > I, Bob Allisat <bob@vrx.net> wrote:
>> > : Well the facts are that I both am well within
>> > : the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
>> > : I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
>> > : ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Bob (Senior Director of the WhattheFucksAVirtualWorld),
>> 
>> Why don't you do us all a really big favour and fuck off!
>>  
>> Well I got news for you, my little Birkenstock-wearing,
>> mung-bean-eating, self-important fagboy, the world is becoming more and
>> more right-wing and capitalist, and little useless fucks like you will
>> enventually be reduced to nothing (not a big change, I guess).  If you
>> doubt it, look around you...even Canada (thank god) is becoming more
>> like the U.S.  
>> 
>> So keep on writing your communist drivel supporting the somali's and
>> the  ever-complaining indians 
>> ,
>>and the french...after all, it is the Canadian
>> thing to do...but rest assured that your ideas are about as in synch
>> with today's society as the Berlin wall.
>> 
>> If you don't like Canada (as you regularly wail on about), go back to
>> Hungaria, you useless fuck. Us Anglo males really look forward to
>> pissing in your face when our day comes...real soon now!

Is that before or after you stop hiding behind a fake e-mail address, you 
little chickenshit.



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From: shark@wwdc.com (SHARK�)
Subject: Re: EASIEST MONEY YOU'LL EVER MAKE!   GUARENTEED!!!!
Date: 1996/08/10
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>> Please be advised that this message was posted to a.bsu.talk,aaa.net,
>> abest.announce, abest.general, abest.sale, abg.tip-info,
>> alt.america.online, alt.anonymous, alt.anonymous.messages,
>> alt.binaries.scanmaster, alt.binaries.hackers,alt.bored,
>> alt.business.home.pc, alt.business.misc, alt.college.fraternities,
>> alt.crackers, alt.cracks,talk.rumors, ny.general, ny.wanted. These posts
>> are illegal, they violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 1302,
>> the Postal Lottery Statute.
>> 
>> Please see to it that this users account is terminated, and the post is
>> being forwarded to the US Postal Inspectors.

>	stop posting this shit in our news group!! It is a scam, it is called a
>chain letter and it is considered illegal by the USPostal service.  we
>don't want it we don't need it so cut it out!!

	I don't know how to break this news to you guys so I'll just say it.
The Net kinda runs all over. Why is it you think that the USA's law's
are the only ones that apply to it?
	Not that I condone the spam. It's just crap really. I just wanted to
point that out you. 

Carcharodon Carcharias




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From: yu156589@yorku.ca (C. Peter Constantinidis)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/10
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On Thu, 08 Aug 1996 23:29:03 -0400, Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> babbled on:

<snipped>

Ahh Bert, I can tell you yearn for the good old days when Hitler was
alive, and Nazis could pubically walk around in the streets looking
for jews n wops n niggers and every other kind of undesirable they
could think of.  Beat them a little, goddamn faggot jews.  It feels
good eh to blame others for your penile impotence problems.

You insult real Nazis everywhere by using implication that you're one.
If you had any real guts, you'd come out and state publically that you
love Hitler, and hate all faggot jews, especially them pakis that
would dare to complain if you did something bad to them. Then you
could be true-blue, you could belong to their social club, have new
friends to hang out with, etc. and could actually go out and look for
people to beat, instead of just impotently writing messages on the
internet in a futile attack on lovable ol Bob Allisat whose only fault
is that he cares too much about the kittens of the world.

Contact Wolfgang and Ernst at once, they miss you a lot, and want you
to return to the fold. Strength in #s, etc. Cuz, lam sakes, everyone
knows a faggot jew paki can take on at least 10 aryan nazis
singlehandedly, that's why Nazis always send 20 thugs out to do battle
with a single identifiably ethnic target. Equal fights, etc. Y'know.

Love,
Martin Bormann

C. Peter C. (yu156589@yorku.ca) Toronto, Ontario, Canada



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From: jmanso19@skypoint.com (Jim Manson)
Subject: Re: Introducing Bob Allisat -- Canada's Biggest Cocksucker!
Date: 1996/08/11
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Bert <bertw@govcda.ca> wrote:

>Bob Allisat (a.k.a. "strung-out 60's flowerchild" wrote:
>> 
>> I, Bob Allisat <bob@vrx.net> wrote:
>> : Well the facts are that I both am well within
>> : the bogus accepted crossposting levels and that
>> : I am being censored ON THE BASIS OF CONTENTS
>> : ALONE. Talk about a pigfuck, eh crackers? Stay
>> 
>
>
>Dear Bob (Senior Director of the WhattheFucksAVirtualWorld),
>
Bert- or whomever, has recently showed up in several newsgroups
flaming various net-kooks, apparently at random in order to start
flame wars. 

Best to ignore him.



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From: Bill Joseph <nyjop@ny.ubs.com>
Subject: Re: EASIEST MONEY YOU'LL EVER MAKE!   GUARENTEED!!!!
Date: 1996/08/12
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Carcharodon,

You are quite right. I was responding because I saw the message in
ny.general & ny.wanted. Both of these groups are normally for New York,
USA.

The US Postal Service has said it has jurisdiction, not because it is on
the net, but because the poster requested that money be sent to an
address in the USA, (Keven McNamara of Astoria, Queens, New York). If he
fails to tell the US-Internal Revenue Service of any funds that he
receives, he could be found guilty of Tax Evasion, as well. This is not
to say that the original poster has not broken laws in other countries
as well. In fact, that could be quite a legal president.

Again, you are right, these posts are just crap. But, there are many
people out there that can and do fall into these get-rich-quick traps.
The picture of some kid sending his lunch money, or some poor person
sending his last $5 just burns me up. Thats the only reason I even reply
to these things.

BTW, I do encourage everyone, if you see this crap, just drop a note to
the postmaster from the persons site. Thats the quickest way to get
these guys shut down.

--Bill

SHARK� wrote:
> 
> >> Please be advised that this message was posted to a.bsu.talk,aaa.net,
> >> abest.announce, abest.general, abest.sale, abg.tip-info,
> >> alt.america.online, alt.anonymous, alt.anonymous.messages,
> >> alt.binaries.scanmaster, alt.binaries.hackers,alt.bored,
> >> alt.business.home.pc, alt.business.misc, alt.college.fraternities,
> >> alt.crackers, alt.cracks,talk.rumors, ny.general, ny.wanted. These posts
> >> are illegal, they violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 1302,
> >> the Postal Lottery Statute.
> >>
> >> Please see to it that this users account is terminated, and the post is
> >> being forwarded to the US Postal Inspectors.
> 
> >       stop posting this shit in our news group!! It is a scam, it is called a
> >chain letter and it is considered illegal by the USPostal service.  we
> >don't want it we don't need it so cut it out!!
> 
>         I don't know how to break this news to you guys so I'll just say it.
> The Net kinda runs all over. Why is it you think that the USA's law's
> are the only ones that apply to it?
>         Not that I condone the spam. It's just crap really. I just wanted to
> point that out you.
> 
> Carcharodon Carcharias



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From: argus@digitaal.nl (Marko Faas)
Subject: e-mailspam 'FREE ADVERTISING Lightning Bolt - Bulk E Mail Software'
Date: 1996/08/13
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IRS Agent wrote:
> 
> Graham Bullers wrote:
> >
> > The Spaminator (wbmike@bgnet.bgsu.edu) wrote:
> > : Eat my dad!
> > THIS IS OFF TOPIC FOR ALT.2600 PLEASE TRIM YOUR NEWSGROUPS & FOLLOWUP
> > --
> > -=-GRAHAM-JOHN BULLERS=-=AB756@FREENET.TORONTO.ON.CA=-=ALT.2600.MODERATED-=
> > Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage
> > to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people
> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=I had to kill because they pissed me off=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> Fuck you Graham.

Fuck your mother Graham.

> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "And that's Mr.Pooftah to you...." Ken Nagle (vlad@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu)
> in article 4uaa89$904@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> Subject: Re: ** NETCOP
> KEN "VLAD THE POOFTER" NAGLE WANTS PROMOTION TO CAPTAIN NETCOP **



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Graham Bullers wrote:
> 
> The Spaminator (wbmike@bgnet.bgsu.edu) wrote:
> : Eat my dad!
> THIS IS OFF TOPIC FOR ALT.2600 PLEASE TRIM YOUR NEWSGROUPS & FOLLOWUP
> --
> -=-GRAHAM-JOHN BULLERS=-=AB756@FREENET.TORONTO.ON.CA=-=ALT.2600.MODERATED-=
> Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage
> to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=I had to kill because they pissed me off=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Fuck you Graham.
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From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.

Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to 
do anything, regardless of those actions.

Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are 
a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous, 
obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet 
AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.

Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek, 
President of Netwave.

BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both 
Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the 
company.

Netwave can be reached at:

Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
   820 N. Orleans Suite 405
   Chicago, IL 60610

   1(800)961-WAVE

All of the above is "just my honest opinion",

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From: Paul <paulschaller@nikesec.com>
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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irc.lag.net....The choice of a SLOW generation!!! wrote:
> 
> Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.COM) wrote:
> : In article <32189A13.1073@nikesec.com>, Paul  <paulschaller@nikesec.com> wrote:
> 
> : Its very helpful to the net as a whole if the spammers all end up in one
> : place...
> 
> Especially since you can just do a site filter on netwave.  Yes, this is
> Karl being helpful BUT with a purpose behind it.  Once spammers are all
> on netwave, the command "filter *.netwave.com" will make it much easier
> to get rid of all the spam.
> 
> -James
> gilljam@ais.net

If it were only that easy!

I agree with the filter but those poor unfortunates that might still get 
email from this place.  Yes the postal admin could also filter it from
coming into the site as well but then you also cut off those of that 
service that have no reason to be cut off.

I do agree with kicking people off for doing it but I also wish that
when you do this, they end up with no place to go and thus gone
for good.  I use the three strikes your out method.  Being fare and all.

What I would also like to know is how to get an ISP shutdown for doing and 
allowing this.  Although I know you can't get that to happen but it
would sure be nice seeing how I was spammed by a startup ISP that 
contracts thru another ISP for their net connection.

Paul



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From: gilljam@eagle.ais.net (irc.lag.net....The choice of a SLOW generation!!!)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.COM) wrote:
: In article <32189A13.1073@nikesec.com>, Paul  <paulschaller@nikesec.com> wrote:

: Its very helpful to the net as a whole if the spammers all end up in one 
: place...

Especially since you can just do a site filter on netwave.  Yes, this is 
Karl being helpful BUT with a purpose behind it.  Once spammers are all 
on netwave, the command "filter *.netwave.com" will make it much easier 
to get rid of all the spam.

-James
gilljam@ais.net





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From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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In article <32189A13.1073@nikesec.com>, Paul  <paulschaller@nikesec.com> wrote:
>
>So now instead of just closing spammers out and off the net your telling 
>them where to go to do it? Not very helpfull to the net now is it?
>
>Paul
>Nike Securities L.P.

On the contrary.  We throw them off all the time here.   Tossed a "Make
Money Fast" dude just the other day in fact.

Its very helpful to the net as a whole if the spammers all end up in one 
place...

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Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
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Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.COM) wrote:
: I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.

: Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
: is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to 
: do anything, regardless of those actions.

Somehow I suspect Karl's kindness. What spam pissed you off so mightily? 
Or was it spam at all?



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The choice of a SLOW generation!!! (gilljam@eagle.ais.net) wrote:
: Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.COM) wrote:
: : Its very helpful to the net as a whole if the spammers all end up in one 
: : place...

: Especially since you can just do a site filter on netwave.  Yes, this is 
: Karl being helpful BUT with a purpose behind it.  Once spammers are all 
: on netwave, the command "filter *.netwave.com" will make it much easier 
: to get rid of all the spam.

That sounds like a good plan to me.

David



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michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
> 
> In article <4va0ii$cda@Jupiter.mcs.net> on August 19, 1996
> karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) ranted and screamed:
> 
> >I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.
> 
> Hey karl why don't you do some much needed work on all the problems your system
> has instead of wasting time trying to be a screaming self appointed NetCop
> nuisance to chi.internet and the Internet in general. Your bullying tactics and
> trying to silence other peoples right to post their own opinions is
> another of your *Shameful* attempts at single person *Censorship*
> 
> >Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
> >is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to
> >do anything, regardless of those actions.
> 
> Well karl your just throwing another of your wild temper tantrums without
> mentioning any specifics so why the heck should anyone listen to you?
> 
> >Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
> >NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are
> >a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous,
> >obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet
> >AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.
> 
> karl your being the height of ridiculous. As you so frequently say,  *WRONG*
> 
> karl you seem to be a very very confused young man. Relax guy. take your meds.
> You have not cited specific instances or shown any reliable evidence of spam
> or unsolicited email or legally obscene material as you call them.
> 
> There has Never been at any time ever any legal violations by any Netwave posts.
> 
> On the contrary I have received a threatening unsolicted email from
> karl@mcs.com that also contains unsolicited commercial advertising which I
> consider public property since you sent it unsolicited. By doing so you violated
> your own MCS AUP and most all other ISPs AUP's. This will Not be tolerated.
> 
> >Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek,
> >President of Netwave.
> 
> karl your so frequently *Wrong* about so many things, why should anyone
> ever believe your convoluted version of anything?  Your being *Absurd*
> 
> >BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
> >off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
> >anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both
> >Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the
> >company.
> 
> If they support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I guess their wrong
> in the karl tactics book. Sheesh this is Not the *karl Amerika* yet thank god.
> 
> *Wrong karl* I haven't seen anyone from a Netwave account Spamming large
> numbers of newsgroups. If someone ever did do this Commercial Spamming
> as you have deluded yourself to believe happened recently without any proof
> or specifics on your part, I would be the first to complain loud and strong.
> 
> What about all the blatant karl commercial sigadvertising Spam that you
> post across many newsgroups? It seems you may be the real SPAMMER karl.
> 
> *karl your being absurd in the extreme here*
> You are a failure at proving anything was done in any manner as your
> ridiculous rants say.  Clearly your not feeling very well, so take a vacation.
> 
> >Netwave can be reached at:
> >
> >Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
> >   820 N. Orleans Suite 405
> >   Chicago, IL 60610
> >
> >   1(800)961-WAVE
> 
> Congratulate Netwave for standing up to your bullying and trying to silence
> the right of people to put out there opinions in a public forum.  :-)
> 
> Oh yeah, their news server is still not very good. Thats my criticism of them.
> 
> >All of the above is "just my honest opinion",
> 
> Yep karl it is and *You have No Credibility in your opinions* as many others
> on the Internet have demostrated time and time again.
> 
> >--
> >Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net) <long 5 full line blatant commercial ad
> >deleted that is in violation of Netiquette accepted practice of 4 lines
> >or less of commercial advertising signatures>
> 
> Setting the record straight against bullying censorship tactics,
> Very sincerely,
> Michael
> 
> Post your Free Speech opinion and don't let *anyone* try to silence it.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>                                    -Public Notice-
> Any legal threats posted or emailed about or to myself will be
> considered harrasment by communication and will be referred to
> a legal authority and will be grounds for legal action against you.
> ----------------------------------------------------------

Hey nice Public Notice Michael.  What is considered a legal threat?

Paul
Nike Securities L.P.
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From: nitebeat@mcs.com (Paul Montgomery)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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michaelc@netwave.net wrote:

>If they support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I guess their wrong
>in the karl tactics book. Sheesh this is Not the *karl Amerika* yet thank god.

Another friggin' idiot thinks that the Constitution and the Bill of
Rights apply to the use of an ISP's services.

I wish that jerks like you would post a disclaimer to that effect at
the top of each of your posts so I wouldn't waste my time wading
through your poor logic AND sloppy spelling/grammar.

Paul
--
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karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:

>On the contrary.  We throw them off all the time here.   Tossed a "Make
>Money Fast" dude just the other day in fact.
>
>Its very helpful to the net as a whole if the spammers all end up in one 
>place...

I agree wholeheartedly, Karl.  I have NO intention of harboring
spammers on my new system.  They can go somewhere else and play their
games.  I don't need the hassle of getting mail from folks who object
to their posting, nor do I approve of what they do.

I doubt that any of this will make a dent in the number of spams, but
I/we can only hope, eh?

Paul
--
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In article <4va0ii$cda@Jupiter.mcs.net> on August 19, 1996
karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) ranted and screamed:

>I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.

Hey karl why don't you do some much needed work on all the problems your system
has instead of wasting time trying to be a screaming self appointed NetCop
nuisance to chi.internet and the Internet in general. Your bullying tactics and
trying to silence other peoples right to post their own opinions is
another of your *Shameful* attempts at single person *Censorship*

>Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
>is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to 
>do anything, regardless of those actions.

Well karl your just throwing another of your wild temper tantrums without
mentioning any specifics so why the heck should anyone listen to you?

>Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
>NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are 
>a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous, 
>obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet 
>AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.

karl your being the height of ridiculous. As you so frequently say,  *WRONG*

karl you seem to be a very very confused young man. Relax guy. take your meds.
You have not cited specific instances or shown any reliable evidence of spam
or unsolicited email or legally obscene material as you call them.

There has Never been at any time ever any legal violations by any Netwave posts.

On the contrary I have received a threatening unsolicted email from
karl@mcs.com that also contains unsolicited commercial advertising which I
consider public property since you sent it unsolicited. By doing so you violated
your own MCS AUP and most all other ISPs AUP's. This will Not be tolerated.

>Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek, 
>President of Netwave.

karl your so frequently *Wrong* about so many things, why should anyone
ever believe your convoluted version of anything?  Your being *Absurd*

>BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
>off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
>anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both 
>Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the 
>company.

If they support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I guess their wrong
in the karl tactics book. Sheesh this is Not the *karl Amerika* yet thank god.

*Wrong karl* I haven't seen anyone from a Netwave account Spamming large
numbers of newsgroups. If someone ever did do this Commercial Spamming
as you have deluded yourself to believe happened recently without any proof
or specifics on your part, I would be the first to complain loud and strong.

What about all the blatant karl commercial sigadvertising Spam that you
post across many newsgroups? It seems you may be the real SPAMMER karl.

*karl your being absurd in the extreme here*
You are a failure at proving anything was done in any manner as your
ridiculous rants say.  Clearly your not feeling very well, so take a vacation.

>Netwave can be reached at:
>
>Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
>   820 N. Orleans Suite 405
>   Chicago, IL 60610
>
>   1(800)961-WAVE

Congratulate Netwave for standing up to your bullying and trying to silence
the right of people to put out there opinions in a public forum.  :-)

Oh yeah, their news server is still not very good. Thats my criticism of them.

>All of the above is "just my honest opinion",

Yep karl it is and *You have No Credibility in your opinions* as many others
on the Internet have demostrated time and time again.

>--
>Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net) <long 5 full line blatant commercial ad
>deleted that is in violation of Netiquette accepted practice of 4 lines
>or less of commercial advertising signatures>


Setting the record straight against bullying censorship tactics,
Very sincerely,
Michael

Post your Free Speech opinion and don't let *anyone* try to silence it.

----------------------------------------------------------
                                   -Public Notice-
Any legal threats posted or emailed about or to myself will be
considered harrasment by communication and will be referred to
a legal authority and will be grounds for legal action against you. 
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From: Paul <paulschaller@nikesec.com>
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/19
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Karl Denninger wrote:
> 
> I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.
> 
> Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
> is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to
> do anything, regardless of those actions.
> 
> Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
> NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are
> a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous,
> obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet
> AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.
> 
> Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek,
> President of Netwave.
> 
> BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
> off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
> anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both
> Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the
> company.
> 
> Netwave can be reached at:
> 
> Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
>    820 N. Orleans Suite 405
>    Chicago, IL 60610
> 
>    1(800)961-WAVE
> 
> All of the above is "just my honest opinion",
> 
> --
> --

So now instead of just closing spammers out and off the net your telling 
them where to go to do it? Not very helpfull to the net now is it?

Paul
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From: poleary@mcs.com (Peter O'Leary)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:



>BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
>off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
>anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both 
>Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the 
>company.

>Netwave can be reached at:

>Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
>   820 N. Orleans Suite 405
>   Chicago, IL 60610

>   1(800)961-WAVE


>--
>--
>Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity


Hey Karleypookins (are you satisfied Sarlo?)
Dontcha know that such commercial postings violate the chi.* charter?
;-)

It would be great if all the spammers could be put in one fetid rogue
domain; their news propogation would eventually dry up and it would
ease a bit of burden on the overtaxed usenet.  This is but a dream,
though.

As to the censorship/Constitution issue, don't be fooled.  It is
strictly (IMHO) a business decision on Netwave's part to not terminate
any revenue producing accounts.  I feel it is a *bad* decision for
them in the long run, but maybe they don't plan on staying in business
very long.   Their refusal to to adopt or enfoce reasonable AUPs or
TOSs will ultimately lead to heavy filtering  and other pressures
against their domain and their customers will go elsewhere.  Would you
like it if the guy upstairs liked to toss rotten vegetables at
passerby?  There really is more democracy at work on the net than in
many other segments of our society. 

Something that has worked for me to toast a couple Netcom spammers
(they're bad!) is:
1) Receive unsolicited commercial email from address-strippin' scum
2) Send email with complete headers to
abuse@domain.com/postmaster@domain.com
3) Receive acknowledgement of reported abuse from
abuse@domain.com/postmaster@domain.com stating that they will
investigate and/or terminate account(s) of abusers.
4) Repeat 1-3
5) Send email to abuse@domain.com/postmaster@domain.com stating that
storage of unsolicited commercial email from their domain constitutes
a financial cost to you, that they have been previously notified and
acknowledged reported abuse, that further unsolicited commercial email
emanating from their domain constitutes negligence on their behalf and
that you are giving them a chance to mitigate their damages against
you and that you will consider civil action against them to recover
your damages.
Works for me.
--
PJ O'Leary




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From: shoshani@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Paul (paulschaller@nikesec.com) wrote:
: Karl Denninger wrote:
: > 
: > BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
: > off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
: > anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both
: > Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the
: > company.
: > 

: So now instead of just closing spammers out and off the net your telling 
: them where to go to do it? Not very helpfull to the net now is it?

Think about it. Wouldn't it be lovely if all the spam in the world came 
from ONE site, which could be aliased out with glee? :)

NEVER will happen, they'll just find another ISP, but still...

--
shoshani@wwa.com       / if you get gloomy just take an hour off and sit
  Michael Shoshani    / and think how much better this world is than hell
    Chicago IL, USA  / of course it won t cheer you up much if you expect
http://miso.wwa.com/~shoshani/                          to go there  --archy



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From: pvranas@ripco.com (Paul Vranas)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Paul <paulschaller@nikesec.com> wrote:

>I do agree with kicking people off for doing it but I also wish that
>when you do this, they end up with no place to go and thus gone
>for good.  I use the three strikes your out method.  Being fare and all.

Paul, since when  has this "fare" policy been intact, just curious.

P.V.
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From: nesta@enteract.com (Nesta Stubbs)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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In article <4va0ii$cda@Jupiter.mcs.net>, Karl Denninger <karl@MCS.COM> wrote:
<Karl posts a ludicrouse screed about a competitor>

That was uncalled for Karl.  In character, but still rather dirty.
--
Nesta Stubbs                            Cyberspace is dwelling
pumpkin                                 in rhetoric. -jlwitwer
nesta@cynico.com			 t3lc0p1mp 3xtr0d1n4ir



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From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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In article <3219F0F0.569@netwave.net>, Richard Dib  <dib@netwave.net> wrote:
>Ha!  Is this funny or what?  Karl, I did not know you had
>a sense of humor... 
>
>NETWave Internet will happily extend our services to any
>MCS net customer tired of censorship.  

As claimed by Mr. Dib and their President, this includes the groups
alt.sex.pedophilia, alt.binaries.pictures.pre-teen (I asked specifically
about those two), and others which cater to and are organized for the 
distribution of materials in violation of US Federal and Illinois State 
Law.   

Specifically, distribution and propagation of child pornography.

I pointed this out, and that knowing distribution of this material is a
felony, and their response was that they would NOT FILTER ANYTHING, 
regardless of its content or whether they knew about it.

I hope the US Attorney is reading this... knowingly distributing this 
material is a felony..... you're now doing so knowingly.  Do you still
maintain the same position you had this morning?

>BTW, have you blocked netwave.net out of your network 
>(email, web, etc) as you said in our conversation?  

That's a false statement Richard, but no surprise either.  You folks had a 
serious listening problem when we were on the phone.  What I said was:

*if your firm continued to support abusive network practices*, 

I might consider such an act, and that others might as well.

Breaking the law is not protected by the First Amendment.  That includes 
distributing material which is in violation of US or Illinois State code, or
which is defamatory, libelous, obscene, or fits into any one of a number of
other categories.

Abusive network practices include spamming newsgroups, unsolicited email,
sending "make money fast" letters, etc.  I even asked the DIRECT QUESTION if
Netwave would cut my account if I bought one and started posting kiddie porn
-- the answer was that I was then asked if I'd go to jail to prove a point --
that's a pretty strong "NO" from where I sit!

If kiddie porn is ok, spam and email bombing people are way down the list
of behaviors that IMHO warrant account suspension.  

But what do I know.  I believe that ISPs have a civic duty to the net as a
whole to police themselves and prevent those who engage in disruptive 
practices, as well as out-and-out illegal activity, from having a "happy 
home" on their infrastructure.  

Obviously we don't see eye-to-eye on that subject.  But that's ok.  

That's why customers have a choice.  Its called a free market.

Post a "MMF" from our systems and your account goes "poof".  I just whacked
one this weekend for doing exactly that.  No ifs, no ands, no buts.

Same if you spam newsgroups, start sending unsolicited commercial email
to people, or any one of a number of other activities that are in violation
of our AUP.  We have a published AUP, and we do expect customers to adhere
to it.  If they don't then we don't want them as customers.  

Its really that simple.

We take our responsbility to the community seriously.  MCSNet is not a
"fly-by-night" company or some ya-hoo who decided there was a quick buck 
to be made in the Internet business; I've been at this since *1987* (that's
almost 10 years), moving news and email for the Chicagoland community, and
more recently, providing full access.  My Usenet experience goes back to
when the feed fit on a 40MB disk drive.  There are few other providers at 
any scale today and in any area who can make that kind of claim.

>P.S.2. BTW, fyi, Karl is upset because one of our customers "michaelc"
>is writing things that he does not like and NETWave's position is that
>he can do whatever he wants as long as he does not send mass emails,
>masive crosspostings, etc.  He called us demanding that we take some
>action agains "michaelc" or else he will send his lawyers after us, 
>or he will block our network out of his, etc.  

Yet another distortion (not surprising).  What I stated was that any provider 
who continues to sanction the use of their equipment for transmission of 
the above categories of said material puts themselves at risk of being named 
in a legal proceeding under either criminal or civil law, as appropriate to 
the circumstance, and if that use violates netiquette (such as by posting
spam or unsolicited commercial email) they ALSO risk being filtered by other
network providers.

Netwave's response (roughly paraphrased) was that if *anyone has a problem 
with their customers they should take it up with them*, regardless of the 
infraction in question.

I asked if they had a formal AUP; they did not answer.  I looked for same on
their web page; it is conspicuous by its absence.

Thank you for confirming that the conversation took place; you now cannot 
deny that it did, nor that you are aware of the issue.

The specifics of the situation at hand are well understood I believe;
anyone with half a brain can find a bunch of demonstrably false statements
in the messages we were objecting to.

>Richard Dib
>Owner and Founder
>NETWave Internet, Inc.

And from an officer as well.

Well, well, well.  Thank you for the *official* statement of Netwave Internet.

This one goes in our files for possible later reference.

-- Plonk!

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In message <3219F0F0.569@netwave.net> - Richard Dib <dib@netwave.net> writes:
:>
:>NETWave's position is that
:>he can do whatever he wants as long as he does not send mass emails,
:>masive crosspostings, etc.  

This seems to be contrary to your very own terms and conditions.
Which can be viewed at:

http://maui.netwave.net/PubTermCond.html

James






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> >I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.
> Hey karl why don't you do some much needed work on all the problems your system
> has instead of wasting time trying to be a screaming self appointed NetCop
> nuisance to chi.internet and the Internet in general. Your bullying tactics and
> trying to silence other peoples right to post their own opinions is
> another of your *Shameful* attempts at single person *Censorship*

What did that statement have to do with Netcopping, bullying or silencing other peoples' rights 
to post opinions?  If anything, he was offering an alternative to the poor oppressed spammers who 
keep getting the boot from ISPs with legit AUPs.

> >Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
> >is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to
> >do anything, regardless of those actions.
> Well karl your just throwing another of your wild temper tantrums without
> mentioning any specifics so why the heck should anyone listen to you?

He just gave specifics as to NetWave's (lack of) policy towards subscriber actions.  You 
expected...what?

> >Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
> >NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are
> >a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous,
> >obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet
> >AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.
> karl your being the height of ridiculous. As you so frequently say,  *WRONG*

Can you post specifics as to why he's wrong?  Do you have any statements from NetWave to the 
contrary?

> karl you seem to be a very very confused young man. Relax guy. take your meds.
> You have not cited specific instances or shown any reliable evidence of spam
> or unsolicited email or legally obscene material as you call them.

Read SPAM-L or news.admin.net-abuse sometime.  I've gotten my share of spams from NetWave.  
Nowhere did he say anything that would deem specific instances being quoted.  He just said 
NetWave would not act on subscriber actions that would normally be account violations on other 
systems.

> There has Never been at any time ever any legal violations by any Netwave posts.

Only because there aren't any laws regarding spamming.  However, I have seen chain letters from 
NetWave, which does constitute a legal violation the minute someone carries it out through 
snailmail.

> >Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek,
> >President of Netwave.
> karl your so frequently *Wrong* about so many things, why should anyone
> ever believe your convoluted version of anything?  Your being *Absurd*

And he's wrong based on what evidence you've provided?  I think I missed where you quoted Jay 
Novosek discounting Karl's statements.

> If they support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I guess their wrong
> in the karl tactics book. Sheesh this is Not the *karl Amerika* yet thank god.
> 
> What about all the blatant karl commercial sigadvertising Spam that you
> post across many newsgroups? It seems you may be the real SPAMMER karl.

So in one statement you say that spamming is a Constitutional right, then you proceed to put Karl 
down for it.  I see.

> *karl your being absurd in the extreme here*
> You are a failure at proving anything was done in any manner as your
> ridiculous rants say.  Clearly your not feeling very well, so take a vacation.

I didn't see him say ANYWHERE in that post that "anything was done in any manner" in the first 
place.  It was a comment on NetWave's policy towards spammers.  And it's "you're"...not "your"

> Congratulate Netwave for standing up to your bullying and trying to silence
> the right of people to put out there opinions in a public forum.  :-)

Ah, congratulate NetWave on their protection of spammers' rights, but let's rip on Karl for 
"recommending" them.  Did you mention yet how exactly he's tried to "silence the right of people" 
yet?

> >All of the above is "just my honest opinion",
> Yep karl it is and *You have No Credibility in your opinions* as many others
> on the Internet have demostrated time and time again.

Much as I don't like the attitude of Karl's posts, he at least makes points in his, unlike you.  
What makes you more credible than him?

> >Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net) <long 5 full line blatant commercial ad
> >deleted that is in violation of Netiquette accepted practice of 4 lines
> >or less of commercial advertising signatures>

And what about your six-line "Public Notice" .sig?  That same "Netiquette" says five lines is the 
recommended maximum for signatures.  And I'll be as vague as you are when it comes to documenting 
exactly what "Netiquette accepted practice" is.

> Setting the record straight against bullying censorship tactics,

I must have missed the post where you did this.

> Post your Free Speech opinion and don't let *anyone* try to silence it.

Unless your name is Karl?

>                                    -Public Notice-
> Any legal threats posted or emailed about or to myself will be
> considered harrasment by communication and will be referred to
> a legal authority and will be grounds for legal action against you.

Isn't this in itself considered a "legal threat?"



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From: Chuck Renaud <crenaud@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
> These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
> specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
> system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
> of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.

Being that the binaries are stored on the ISPs computers, that would indeed make them 
distributors of that specific content.  It is not merely a pass-through, as those files have to 
be stored somewhere.

> Someone would be a fool to participate in these so called newsgroups
> because it is well known that law enforcement works these groups.

Ah yes, and it's okay for people to tolerate prostitutes and drug dealers in their neighborhoods 
because the cops bust some of them occasionally.

> You clearly don't know what there position is karl.

You clearly don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" or "their" and "there"

> First of all karl, Netwave never at any time supported abusive network
> practices. If they ever did I would criticise them strongly.

So you've verified that NetWave does not allow spammers?

> However I do have proof of your use of threatening abusive unsolicited mail
> that included commercial advertising. You better kick yourself off for that one.

Has anyone told you that it's poor "Netiquette" to threaten people publically with private email?

> Your raving wild again karl with no facts to back you up. But having no facts
> has never stopped you from going on wild rants before.

-karl +michaelc

I don't agree with Karl's posts most of the time and I didn't choose MCS as an ISP for various 
reasons.  But you really amaze me with the stupidity of your posts.  They never make any points, 
they're almost always hypocritical (asking for specifics while never giving any yourself) and you 
choose to attack people instead of the issues.

At least when Sarlo posts, he makes some points and is entertaining.  You're 0 for 2.



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From: slw1@midway.uchicago.edu (Scott L. Wilson)
Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Man, this is really stupid. 
When will people understand that no matter what Karl does, he
CANNOT infringe upon your First Amendment rights.  (Unless,
of course, he runs for office.)
The first amendment protects you from government interference.
If Karl decides that he is not going to store kiddy-porn
(or anything else for that matter) on his disk drives, the only
thing that an affected user could do would be to go somewhere 
else.  Karl sells a product, access to the internet.  And if
you don't like the fact that his product is slightly different
from what other ISPs offer, you choose yourself where to go.
Its like suing a Burger King for not having Mustard on the
burgers.  If you want mustard, go to McDonalds, some people
might like their hamburgers better without mustard.
(Ok, I know that Burger King has mustard... its all I could think
of on short notice.)

Scott Wilson

  ____  __    _______      "What is Best in Life? 
 / __/ / /   /__  __/  To Crush your Enemies, to see them driven before 
 \_ \ / / /  / / /     you, and to have really great beer, like Keystone 
/___//_/ /__/ /_/      and Keystone light." EMAIL: slw1@midway.uchicago.edu 




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Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
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Richard Dib (dib@netwave.net) wrote:
[snip]
: NETWave Internet will happily extend our services to any
: MCS net customer tired of censorship. 
[snip]

It's interesting how people manage to turn these discussions 
to censorship, away from the spamming issue.  Perhaps it's 
because Karl is easy to bate on the subject. 

Do you terminate the accounts of your customers who place 
advertisements in fifty or so news-groups like chi.general? 
How about a dozen?  How about just chi.general or those who 
pick e-mail addresses off articles in news-groups and e-mail 
their unsolicited ads?

David 



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Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Paul Vranas wrote:
> 
> Paul <paulschaller@nikesec.com> wrote:
> 
> >I do agree with kicking people off for doing it but I also wish that
> >when you do this, they end up with no place to go and thus gone
> >for good.  I use the three strikes your out method.  Being fare and all.
> 
> Paul, since when  has this "fare" policy been intact, just curious.
> 
> P.V.


With SOME providers it is this way.  Three strikes your out!!!.

Gee you get caught speeding once and you get your license taken away? I 
don't think so. 

Paul
Nike Securities L.P.



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> 5) Send email to abuse@domain.com/postmaster@domain.com stating that
> storage of unsolicited commercial email from their domain constitutes
> a financial cost to you, that they have been previously notified and
> acknowledged reported abuse, that further unsolicited commercial email
> emanating from their domain constitutes negligence on their behalf and
> that you are giving them a chance to mitigate their damages against
> you and that you will consider civil action against them to recover
> your damages.
> Works for me.

Has anyone actually taken it to this level and won?



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From: david@terra.igcom.net (David B. Bauman)
Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
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Chuck Renaud (crenaud@wwa.com) wrote:
: michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
: > These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
: > specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
: > system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
: > of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.

: Being that the binaries are stored on the ISPs computers, that would indeed make them 
: distributors of that specific content.  It is not merely a pass-through, as those files have to 
: be stored somewhere.

I disagree.  If you go to a book store, and they have books on illegal
things, does this mean the book store is at fault?  Ive seen books on
everything... from making bombs to growing drugs in your back yard....but
I dont see the book stores being charged by any law enforcement agency.

: > Someone would be a fool to participate in these so called newsgroups
: > because it is well known that law enforcement works these groups.

I do not know these facts either way, because I do not participate in any
binaries newsgroups.  It's obvious that you do huh?

: Ah yes, and it's okay for people to tolerate prostitutes and drug dealers in their neighborhoods 
: because the cops bust some of them occasionally.

What post is this comment from??

: > You clearly don't know what there position is karl.

: You clearly don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" or "their" and "there"

blah

<SNIP--garbage garbage>

Our view on USENET newsgroups, is they are all for informational purposes
only.  We leave the censoring up to our users, and if there are children..
up to their parents.  The only reason we do not carry all binary groups is
the fact that the resources that is required to run a proper feed of
binary groups is insane.  We currently get about 2 gigs of alt.binaries.*
per day, and have them expire ever 30 hours.  Normal groups do not expire
for 14 days, and we keep the chi.* groups for 25 days.  We are strongly
against any type of censorship on our system, and until it goes over the
line of being legal and illegal, we will never be "content monitors".


David Bauman
InterGlobal Communications, Inc.



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From: michaelc@netwave.net
Subject: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
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In article <4vbm64$fap@Jupiter.mcs.net>,
 a very confused karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) ranted and raved in support
of extensive heavy censorship and silencing *Your constitutional right* to
post
your opinion in public forums:

>In article <3219F0F0.569@netwave.net>, Richard Dib  <dib@netwave.net> wrote:
>>Ha!  Is this funny or what?  Karl, I did not know you had
>>a sense of humor... 
>>
>>NETWave Internet will happily extend our services to any
>>MCS net customer tired of censorship.  
>
>As claimed by Mr. Dib and their President, this includes the groups
>alt.sex.pedophilia, alt.binaries.pictures.pre-teen (I asked specifically
>about those two), and others which cater to and are organized for the 
>distribution of materials in violation of US Federal and Illinois State 
>Law.   

This is a complex issue that has already been decided on the side of
constitutional freedom. No matter how much karl may want heavy censorship
and to silence people that dare exercise their freedom of speech under the 
constitution, courageous people and US democracy will never let him use
gestapo like tactics to subvert the constitution for a  *karl amerika*.

As common carriers the phone companies and the thousands of Internet
Service Providers are providing the service of access to their systems.

>Specifically, distribution and propagation of child pornography.

These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.
There is laws already in existance to deal with true child pornographers.
They are arrested and charged every week under these laws.

Someone would be a fool to participate in these so called newsgroups
because it is well known that law enforcement works these groups.

>I pointed this out, and that knowing distribution of this material is a
>felony, and their response was that they would NOT FILTER ANYTHING, 
>regardless of its content or whether they knew about it.

Your very very confused again karl. Your the height of misrepresentation.
*Shame on you karl*  There is no proof what so ever that anyone that
is a customer or employee of Netwave participates in any way with any
so called child pornography. Thousands of providers provide uncensored
access to the Internet and under the constitution *It is the responsibility
of the individual to not break U.S. laws*, not the common carrier's to
closely monitor and intrude with gestapo like tactics.

If your an individual who choses to break U.S. law then it is you that is at
risk, not the phone company, US mail, parcel companies or Internet providers.

>I hope the US Attorney is reading this... knowingly distributing this 
>material is a felony..... you're now doing so knowingly. 

*Your hallucinating again karl*  *Sheesh!*
*No one is knowingly distributing felony material at Netwave or other ISP's
in the chicago area.* It would be read only if someone who wants a police state
like karl apparently does puts it in front of there face. I wonder if they might
start investigating IRC servers because when I was last on the MCS IRC server
I saw what apparently was a lot of teen porno trading & illegal software
trading?

>Do you still maintain the same position you had this morning?

You clearly don't know what there position is karl.

>>BTW, have you blocked netwave.net out of your network 
>>(email, web, etc) as you said in our conversation?  
>
>That's a false statement Richard, but no surprise either.  You folks had a 
>serious listening problem when we were on the phone.  What I said was:

Who has the serious listening problem I wonder?  Could it be...  karl

>*if your firm continued to support abusive network practices*, 

First of all karl, Netwave never at any time supported abusive network
practices. If they ever did I would criticise them strongly.

>I might consider such an act, and that others might as well.

Bullshit. No one but you karl would even consider such childish behavior.

Be very very careful karl, if you ever try to block{Censor/Ban} email or web
sites from your customers you could be on very perilous legal ground. There is a
number of lawyers who would be very willing to step in against you at that
point.
That would like a postmaster cutting off mail to an address because someone
there argued with one of his mail carriers. You would be way over the line here.
I strongly suggest you calm down and don't do anything that would be analogous
to public *Censorship*.  I and others have every right to interchange
email with anyone with a MCS account, although I know your probably
reading it.

>Breaking the law is not protected by the First Amendment.  That includes 
>distributing material which is in violation of US or Illinois State code, or
>which is defamatory, libelous, obscene, or fits into any one of a number of
>other categories.

karl your hallucinating because you give no specifics and have no proof that
there was anything like you state above. Your like a 96 version of Joe McCarthy.
Put up specifically what you say is illegal. You have failed to do so
every time.

>Abusive network practices include spamming newsgroups, unsolicited email,
>sending "make money fast" letters, etc.

Again you continually Fail to give any specifics or offer any evidence ala
Joe McCarthy of the 50's.  *Your barking is empty empty empty karl.*

However I do have proof of your use of threatening abusive unsolicited mail
that included commercial advertising. You better kick yourself off for that one.

>I even asked the DIRECT QUESTION if Netwave would cut my account if I bought
>one and started posting kiddie porn -- the answer was that I was then asked if
>I'd go to jail to prove a point --  that's a pretty strong "NO" from
where I sit!

*You have just proved that your the height of absurdity karl*
Damn!  You would like to argue that black is white probably just to argue!  You
just don't listen karl. No one ever said "No" to your question and YOU KNOW IT.
Stop dealing in hypotheticals that don't exist and try to show specifics.

>If kiddie porn is ok, spam and email bombing people are way down the list
>of behaviors that IMHO warrant account suspension.  

Your raving wild again karl with no facts to back you up. But having no facts
has never stopped you from going on wild rants before.

>But what do I know.  I believe that ISPs have a civic duty to the net as a
>whole to police themselves and prevent those who engage in disruptive 
>practices, as well as out-and-out illegal activity, from having a "happy 
>home" on their infrastructure.  

*Your So So full of Bullshit karl that your as transparent as a window.
You fancy yourself a police/gestapo type investigator and scream and threaten
anyone that doesn't agree with you.  The only thing you care about is your
own greed. Quit acting like you care about anything except your wallet.

>Obviously we don't see eye-to-eye on that subject.  But that's ok.  

Yep and its obvious your throwing a temper tantrum over nothing, nada.

>That's why customers have a choice.  Its called a free market.

Yep and thats why the smart ones are leaving your ISP dictatorship.

>Post a "MMF" from our systems and your account goes "poof".  I just whacked
>one this weekend for doing exactly that.  No ifs, no ands, no buts.

Wow!  your bragging that you "whacked" one little account...  so what...

>Same if you spam newsgroups, start sending unsolicited commercial email
>to people,

Good you said that last one karl since you are guilty of that {I have the proof}
So I expect your account to get  "whacked"  for violating your own AUP.
But I guess that only applys to your customers not the  dictator.
*What a giant hypocrite you are*

>or any one of a number of other activities that are in violation
>of our AUP.  We have a published AUP, and we do expect customers to adhere
>to it.  If they don't then we don't want them as customers.  
>
>Its really that simple.

Yep and its a simple fact that you break it yourself karl.

>We take our responsbility to the community seriously.

*What a gigantic load of bullshit*  
You clearly care about nobody except yourself and your wallet.

>MCSNet is not a "fly-by-night" company or some ya-hoo who decided...
> <shameless MCS advertising drivel deleted>

*Your a Scream, Rant and Rave about nothing day-&-night individual*

>>P.S.2. BTW, fyi, Karl is upset because one of our customers "michaelc"
>>is writing things that he does not like and NETWave's position is that
>>he can do whatever he wants as long as he does not send mass emails,
>>masive crosspostings, etc.  He called us demanding that we take some
>>action agains "michaelc" or else he will send his lawyers after us, 
>>or he will block our network out of his, etc.  

karl has no justification what so ever complaining about me except that I
don't agree with his position on Censorship and his tendency to gestapo type
tactics against people.

Who would karl like to silence next? Tezcat because of Sarlo's ridicules
of karl.
Then a university where Tommy the Terrorist posts from with disagreements
of karl's rants. I could go on & on about a number of others who karl would
like to silence because they dare to criticise karl's wild ravings.

>Yet another distortion (not surprising).  What I stated was that any provider 
>who continues to sanction the use of their equipment for transmission of 
>the above categories of said material puts themselves at risk of being named 
>in a legal proceeding under either criminal or civil law, as appropriate to 
>the circumstance, and if that use violates netiquette (such as by posting
>spam or unsolicited commercial email) they ALSO risk being filtered by other
>network providers.

Your trying to justify your Heavy Censorship of Hundreds of Newsgroups karl.
The vast majority of the Internet Community is against your Heavy
Censorship and Bullying Gestapo tactics.

Don't even try to block/filter other ISPs email and web sites from your
customers karl or you will most likely be in deep doo doo for that Censorship.

>Netwave's response (roughly paraphrased) was that if *anyone has a problem 
>with their customers they should take it up with them*, regardless of the 
>infraction in question.

You did and you were *Wrong* and were shot down. Give it a rest karl.

>I asked if they had a formal AUP; they did not answer.  I looked for same on
>their web page; it is conspicuous by its absence.

The agreement their customers agree to is the private business of their
customers, not yours Mr self-styled Investigator karl. *Butt Out*

>Thank you for confirming that the conversation took place; you now cannot 
>deny that it did, nor that you are aware of the issue.

Funny how your impression of a conversation is always different, I'm not
surprised.

>The specifics of the situation at hand are well understood I believe;

Yes they are karl. There is nothing to your screams & rants. So drop it already.

>anyone with half a brain can find a bunch of demonstrably false statements
>in the messages we were objecting to.

No they can't karl, only YOU in your hallucinations believe that. You have
nothing.

What about the falsehoods and misrepresentation of karl?
I guess those don't count.

>>Richard Dib
>>Owner and Founder
>>NETWave Internet, Inc.
>
>And from an officer as well.
>
>Well, well, well.  Thank you for the *official* statement of Netwave Internet.
>
>This one goes in our files for possible later reference.
>
>-- Plonk!

Gee!  you got more "karl enemies" files than Nixons dirty tricks boys did. ;-)

>Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net) <5 full lines of commercial advertising deleted>


Wheeeew....  this karl character is getting wilder and wilder in his delusions.

Lets see... I think that is quite a few people now from the Internet Community
that karl has threatened.  I think it might be time to compile a partial list
of those who have been threatened by karl but never sued.

Could it be because Civil Courts and Judges frown harshly on frivolous lawsuits
and come down hard on those and are friendly to the counter law suits that come
about because of frivolous lawsuits. It probably would be a way that karl could
lose his assets in MCS and hence does not press any threatened frivolous suits.
 
Thank god he is the only one one of the over 50 ISPs in the area acting
this way.

The real issue here is *Censorship and Trying To Silence Opposing Opinions*

Setting the record straight against Bullying Censorship Tactics,
Very sincerely,
Michael

Post your Free Speech opinion and don't let *anyone* try to silence it.

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considered harrasment by communication and will be referred to
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From: dannyman@enteract.com (Dannyman)
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Paul Montgomery (nitebeat@mcs.com) wrote:

: I wish that jerks like you would post a disclaimer to that effect at
: the top of each of your posts so I wouldn't waste my time wading
: through your poor logic AND sloppy spelling/grammar.

	I wish whiners like *you* would learn to use killfile and go away.
:p

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Dannyman wrote:
> 
> Paul Montgomery (nitebeat@mcs.com) wrote:
> 
> : I wish that jerks like you would post a disclaimer to that effect at
> : the top of each of your posts so I wouldn't waste my time wading
> : through your poor logic AND sloppy spelling/grammar.
> 
>         I wish whiners like *you* would learn to use killfile and go away.
> :p
> 

Man o man.  This whole thread is so dam funny, I just had to wipe the 
tears from my eyes I am laughing so hard.



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From: Richard Dib <dib@netwave.net>
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/20
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Ha!  Is this funny or what?  Karl, I did not know you had
a sense of humor... 

NETWave Internet will happily extend our services to any
MCS net customer tired of censorship.  Actually I bet ALL
OTHER PROVIDERS in the Chicagoland area will happily extend
their services to your customers.  Karl, maybe you should send
email to all your customers with a list of all the other 
providers in Chicago who do not censor (which might just be
all of them minus MCS.NET).

BTW, have you blocked netwave.net out of your network 
(email, web, etc) as you said in our conversation?  How many
other providers are you thinking to add to your "hosts.deny"
file or filters in your router?  You can try shutting down the 
internet but you are just NOT BIG ENOUGH.

Richard Dib
Owner and Founder
NETWave Internet, Inc.
dib@netwave.net
dib@tld.net

P.S. Fortunately most other providers in the Chicagoland area believe
in the Internet as an "interconnection" of networks.  You won't see most
of us (Chicagoland ISPs) blocking out other providers.  That goes
against
what the Internet is all about.  

P.S.2. BTW, fyi, Karl is upset because one of our customers "michaelc"
is writing things that he does not like and NETWave's position is that
he can do whatever he wants as long as he does not send mass emails,
masive crosspostings, etc.  He called us demanding that we take some
action agains "michaelc" or else he will send his lawyers after us, 
or he will block our network out of his, etc.  

P.S.3.  Sorry for the crossposting.  I am just replying to the original
newsgroups that Karl posted to.  This might very well be my first and
last
posting on this subject (Karl... You can have the final word!!!  I know
your
ego would like this.)

-------------
Karl Denninger wrote:
> 
> I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.
> 
> Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
> is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to
> do anything, regardless of those actions.
> 
> Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
> NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are
> a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous,
> obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet
> AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.
> 
> Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek,
> President of Netwave.
> 
> BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
> off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
> anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both
> Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the
> company.
> 
> Netwave can be reached at:
> 
> Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
>    820 N. Orleans Suite 405
>    Chicago, IL 60610
> 
>    1(800)961-WAVE
> 
> All of the above is "just my honest opinion",
> 
> --
> --
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In article <4vcuf5$agt@206.54.252.2>, Dannyman <dannyman@enteract.com> wrote:
>Paul Montgomery (nitebeat@mcs.com) wrote:
>
>: I wish that jerks like you would post a disclaimer to that effect at
>: the top of each of your posts so I wouldn't waste my time wading
>: through your poor logic AND sloppy spelling/grammar.
>
>	I wish whiners like *you* would learn to use killfile and go away.

    There are *LOTS* of us who wish Paul Mongomery would just go away.

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> I disagree.  If you go to a book store, and they have books on illegal
> things, does this mean the book store is at fault?  Ive seen books on
> everything... from making bombs to growing drugs in your back yard....but
> I dont see the book stores being charged by any law enforcement agency.

If a book store is carrying illegal items, then yes, they are at fault.  But the last time I 
checked, there was nothing illegal about how-to books.  Based on your logic, book stores would be 
okay carrying kiddie porn then?

> : > Someone would be a fool to participate in these so called newsgroups
> : > because it is well known that law enforcement works these groups.
> I do not know these facts either way, because I do not participate in any
> binaries newsgroups.  It's obvious that you do huh?

That isn't my comment you quoted...

> : Ah yes, and it's okay for people to tolerate prostitutes and drug dealers in their neighborhoods
> : because the cops bust some of them occasionally.
> What post is this comment from??

It's carrying over the logic of the previous statement you quoted from michaelc.  While I don't 
agree with newsgroup censorship, I do disagree with that particular reasoning.

> Our view on USENET newsgroups, is they are all for informational purposes
> only.  We leave the censoring up to our users, and if there are children..
> up to their parents.  The only reason we do not carry all binary groups is
> the fact that the resources that is required to run a proper feed of
> binary groups is insane.  We currently get about 2 gigs of alt.binaries.*
> per day, and have them expire ever 30 hours.  Normal groups do not expire
> for 14 days, and we keep the chi.* groups for 25 days.  We are strongly
> against any type of censorship on our system, and until it goes over the
> line of being legal and illegal, we will never be "content monitors".

That's exactly the stance I was supporting and one of the primary reasons I did not go with MCS 
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   There has been an excessive amount of philosophy and rhetoric about
the law, and no cases cited as far as I (or anyone else I know)  have
seen.  Therefore, I decided to do some research on this.  Please keep
in mind, what follows is ONLY THE BEGINNING, only the initial cases
that I've found, and the research continues.  I will be grateful to
anyone who provides me with the 'holy grail' case where the court
specifically says 'no unsolicited email';  looking at the cases,  it's
easy to see the application to email, especially the comments on
future technology.

   What follows are citations from cases involving US Code Title 47
sec. 227, commonly called the 'junk fax' law, or the TCPA (Telephone
Consumer Protection Act).  The cases involved fax and telephone
solicitation.  Although email was not involved in these cases, the
evidence, testimony, and decisions crush virtually every argument that
the spammers make.  I've grouped the citations into five common
categories of argument:

1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")
2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
free".)
3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
annoy.")
4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
copy.")
5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
okay.")

1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")

   "Commercial speech...is 'linked inextricably' with the commercial
arrangement that it proposes, Friedman v. Rogers, 440 U.S. 1, 10, n. 9
[99 S.Ct 887, 894, n. 9, 59 L.ed.2d 100], so the State's interest in
regulating the action may give it a concomitant interest in the
expression itself. Edenfield--U.S. at--, 113 S.Ct. at 1798,
(fraudulent or deceptive advertising may be banned without further
justification)...Ohralik v. Ohio State Bar Asso. 436 U.S. 447, 462, 98
S.Ct. 1912, 1921, 56 L.Ed.2d 444 (1978) (protection of the public from
solicitations pressed with such frequency and vehemence as to be
harassing is a legitimate and important state interest)" Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632, Civ. No. 93-737-AS, US District
Court, D. Oregon, Jan 20, 1994.

   "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine
(FAX), computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisement to
FAX machine had rational basis for distinguishing senders of
advertisements from senders of other kinds of messages, advertisements
from other business messages, and commercial faxes from those
advertisements not addressing commercial availability of goods or
services, as part of its attempt to protect consumers from burdens
caused by transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising, and thus
statute did not violate equal protection. Communications Act of 1934,
sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
Const.Amends. 5,14." Destination Ventures Ltd. v FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Provision of Telephone Consumer Protection Act which banned
automated telemarketing calls did not violate First Amendment, despite
contention that banning only automated calls and not all telemarketing
calls would not advance government's interest in protecting privacy;
since ban on automated calls was not attempt to favor a particular
viewpoint, underinclusiveness of Act did not render it
unconstitutional given Congress' finding that automated calls invaded
privacy, and Act left open many alternative channels of communication,
including use of taped messages introduced by live speakers, taped
messages to which consumers have consented, and all live solicitation
calls. U.S.C.A. Const.Amend 1; Communications Act of 1934, sec.
227(b)(1), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)." Moser v. FCC, 46
F.3d 970, No. 93-35686, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, Argued and
Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 6, 1995.

   "The parties agree that the restriction upon unsolicited fax
advertisements is content-based, and that, as a restriction on
commercial speech, the statute would pass constitutional muster if it
directly advances a substantial governmental interest in a manner that
is no more extensive than necessary to serve that interest. Central
Hudson Gas & Electric Corp. v. Public Service Com., 447 U.S. 557,
564-66, 100 S.Ct 2343, 2350-51, 65 L.Ed.2d 341 (1980)." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas concluded that the statute, a
content-based restriction on commercial speech, met the constitutional
requirement that it directly advances a substantial governmental
interest in a manner that is no more extensive than necessary to serve
that interest.  Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas has recommended to this
court that, in light of the conclusion of the court that the statute
is constitutionally valid, the plaintiffs' motion for summary
judgement be denied and the defendants' motion to dismiss be granted."
Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
free".)

   "Ban on unsolicited faxes that contain advertisements, set forth in
Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, did not violate
advertiser's First Amendment rights given that commercial solicitation
ban reasonably fit government's interest in preventing shifting of
advertising costs to consumers and ban was evenhanded in that it
applied to commercial solicitation by any organization.  U.S.C.A.
Const.Amends. 1, 5; Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as
amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C)." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
FCC, 46 F.3d 54, No. 94-35295, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit,
Argued and Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 1, 1995.

   "Destination does not contest the government's substantial interest
in preventing the shifting of advertising costs to
consumers...Specifically, it contends that the government has not
shown that faxes containing advertising are any more costly to
consumers than other unsolicited faxes such as those containing
political or 'prank' messages.  According to Destination, Congress may
not single out advertisements for regulation when other types of
unsolicited faxes produce the same cost-shifting.  We disagree.
Because Congress's goal was to prevent the shifting of advertising
costs, limiting its regulation to faxes containing advertising was
justified.  The ban is even-handed, in that it applies to commercial
solicitation by any organization, be it a multi-national corporation
or the Girl Scouts...The plaintiffs have not disputed that unsolicited
commercial fax solicitations are responsible for the bulk of
advertising cost shifting.  Thus, banning them is a reasonable means
to achieve Congress's goal of reducing cost shifting.  The First
Amendment does not require Congress to forgo addressing the problem at
all unless it completely eliminates cost shifting.  United States v.
Edge Broadcasting Co., --U.S --,--, 113 S.Ct. 2696, 2707, 125 L.Ed.2d
345 (1993)."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine,
computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements to
telephone facsimile (FAX) machine was valid content-based restriction
on commercial speech; interest in protecting consumers from economic
harm resulting from unfair shifting of advertising costs from
advertiser to customer was substantial interest directly advanced by
statute and restriction was narrowly tailored to serve specific
purpose for which it was intended. Communications Act of 1934, sec.
227(b)(1)(C), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
Const.Amend. 1."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
1994).

   "Statute making it unlawful to use telephone facsimile (FAX)
machine, computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements
as to 'commercial availability' of good or service did not contain
arbitrary distinction between commercial and noncommercial messages,
but was narrowly tailored to purpose of preventing unfair shifting of
advertising costs from advertiser to unwilling
consumer...Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended,
47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A. Const.Amend. 1."  Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994). 

   "While the challenged portion of TCPA is not directed toward any
specific commercial arrangement being proposed by advertising, the
congressional committees that considered the legislation identified
other harms associated with unsolicited fax advertising.  The House
Committee on Energy and Commerce noted that 'the proliferation of
facsimile machines has been accompanied by explosive growth in
unsolicited facsimile advertising, or 'junk fax''. H.R.Rep No. 317,
102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991).  The Report continues:
   Facsimile machines are designed to accept, process, and print all
messages which arrive over their dedicated lines.  The fax advertisers
take advantage of this basic design by sending advertisements to
available fax numbers, knowing that it will be received and printed by
the recipient's machine.  This type of telemarketing is problematic
for two reasons.  First, it shifts some of the costs of advertising
from the sender to the recipient. Second, it occupies the recipient's
facsimile machine so that it is unavailable for legitimate business
messages while processing and printing the junk fax.
   In the case of fax advertising...the recipient assumes both the
cost of the associated with the use of the facsimile machine and, the
cost of the expensive paper used to print out facsimile messages.  It
is important to note that these costs are borne by the recipient of
the fax advertisement regardless of their interest in the product or
service being advertised." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS
632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Testimony before the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and
Finance also indicates that Congress was identifying and addressing a
substantial interest:    
   Today the subcommittee will look at problems that have received
attention from the public and from Congress--[including]...the
unauthorized sending of advertisements through fax machines...
   [A] festering problem has arisen from the so-called 'junk fax'.
Junk fax is more than merely irritating.  It represents an unfair
shifting of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the
unwitting customer." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Janlori Goldman, legislative counsel for the American Civil
Liberties Union, also testified that her organization supported
restrictions on unsolicited fax advertisements, because of the
economic burdens those messages place on the recipients." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "This court concludes that Congress' interest in protecting
consumers from the economic harm resulting from the 'unfair shifting
of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the unwitting
customer' and other harms that could be associated with unsolicited
fax solicitations (unsolicited faxes can interfere with a machine's
use) is a substantial interest which is identiried in the TCPA's
legislative history." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Despite the lack of detailed studies, there were repeated,
uncontradicted references made before congress describing how
facsimile advertising shifts economic burdens from the advertiser to
the consumer. Furthermore, there were references to the fact that half
of the states are considering restrictions on unsolicited fax
advertising." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
1994).

   "Because Congress has addressed a substantial interest in
protecting consumers from the economic harms inflicted through
unsolicited advertisement faxes, however, the subsequent banning of
those unsolicited faxes directly advances that interest." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "The TCPA, however, has the purpose of preventing the unfair
shifting of advertising costs from the advertiser to the unwilling
consumer.  The ban on all unsolicited advertisement faxes, therefore,
represents a reasonable fit with the statute's purpose.  Unsolicited
advertisements from any source are banned, to serve the specific
purpose of protecting consumers from being burdened by the unfiar
shifting of advertising costs." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "In this case, however, there is clearly a rational basis for the
distinctions drawn by the challenged portion of the TCPA.  The TCPA
was drafted in part to protect consumers from burdens caused by the
transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising; accordingly, there is a
rational basis for the TCPA's ban." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC,
844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Conclusion
   Congress drafted the portion of the TCPA challenged by plaintiffs
as a means to directly advance the substantial governmental interest
of protecting consumers against burdens created by the transmission of
unsolicited fax advertisements.  The ban against such advertisements
imposed by the TCPA is narrowly tailored and no more extensive than
necessary to serve that valid, substantial governmental interest.
Accordingly, defendant's motion to dismiss (doc. #11) should be
GRANTED, and plaintiffs' motion for summary judgement (doc. #16)
should be DENIED.  DATED this 14th day of December, 1993." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
annoy.")

   "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
Cir. 1995).

   "H.R.Rep No. 317, 102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991). 'Since businesses
have begun to express concern about the interference, interruptions,
and expense that junk fax have placed upon them, states are taking
action to eliminate these telemarketing practices.  Connecticut and
Maryland have enacted laws banning the use of facsimile machines for
unsolicited advertising.  Similar bills are pending in the
legislatures of about half the states." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
(1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
copy.")

   "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
(1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "The possibility of future technological advances allowing
simultaneous transmission and eliminating the need for paper does not
alter this conclusion.  We look at the problem as it existed when
Congress enacted the statute, rather than speculate upon what
solutions may turn up in the future.  Therefore, we hold that the ban
on unsolicited fax advertisements meets the Central Hudson and Fox
test for restrictions on commercial speech." Destination Ventures Ltd.
v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir. 1995).

   "Prerecorded messages cluttered answering machines, and automated
devices did not disconnect immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972."
Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir. 1995).

   "Plaintiffs' suggested alternatives (creating a 'do not fax' list;
regulating the hours of fax advertising; limiting the number or
frequency of transmissions) fail to establish that the legislation
Congress did choose is improperly tailored for its targeted goal,
protecting consumers from the burdens associated with receiving
unsolicited fax advertisements." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
okay.")

   "Congress held extensive hearings on telemarketing in 1991.  Based
upon these hearings, it concluded that telemarketing calls to homes
constituted an unwarranted intrusion upon privacy.  The volume of such
calls increased substantially with the advent of automated devices
that dial up to 1,000 phone numbers an hour and play prerecorded sales
pitches. S.Rep. No. 102-178, 102nd Cong., 1st Sess. (1991), reprinted
in 1991 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1968, 1970.  By the fall of 1991, more than
180,000 solicitors were using automated machines to telephone 7
million people each day. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
Cir. 1995).

   "Conclusion
   The provision in the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991
banning automated, prerecorded calls to residences is content-neutral.
Congress adequately demonstrated that such calls pose a threat to
residential privacy.  The ban is narrowly tailored to advance that
interest, and leaves open ample alternative channels of communication.
Thus, it does not violate the First Amendment.  REVERSED." Moser v.
FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th. Cir. 1995).

   Now, this is only the first batch of case law on this that I've
come across, but it should be pretty clear that the focus of the law
is on intrusive commercial solicitation.  US Code Title 47 sec. 227
(b)(1)(C) specifically mentions using a computer to send an
unsolicited message; the court has said that "The possibility of
future technological advances allowing simultaneous transmission and
eliminating the need for paper does not alter this conclusion.", so
the "email doesn't count" argument starts to sound rather hollow..
Because of this case law, I'm sure that it's been applied to email
cases before, and I had heard about such a decision a couple of years
ago, when the general public had not yet had exposure to the
internet, and spamming was very new.  I'll continue to look for the
email-specific cases, and would appreciate seeing any material that
anyone has run across on this.


jackal

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Date: 1996/08/23
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   There has been an excessive amount of philosophy and rhetoric about
the law, and no cases cited as far as I (or anyone else I know)  have
seen.  Therefore, I decided to do some research on this.  Please keep
in mind, what follows is ONLY THE BEGINNING, only the initial cases
that I've found, and the research continues.  I will be grateful to
anyone who provides me with the 'holy grail' case where the court
specifically says 'no unsolicited email';  looking at the cases,  it's
easy to see the application to email, especially the comments on
future technology.

   What follows are citations from cases involving US Code Title 47
sec. 227, commonly called the 'junk fax' law, or the TCPA (Telephone
Consumer Protection Act).  The cases involved fax and telephone
solicitation.  Although email was not involved in these cases, the
evidence, testimony, and decisions crush virtually every argument that
the spammers make.  I've grouped the citations into five common
categories of argument:

1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")
2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
free".)
3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
annoy.")
4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
copy.")
5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
okay.")

1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")

   "Commercial speech...is 'linked inextricably' with the commercial
arrangement that it proposes, Friedman v. Rogers, 440 U.S. 1, 10, n. 9
[99 S.Ct 887, 894, n. 9, 59 L.ed.2d 100], so the State's interest in
regulating the action may give it a concomitant interest in the
expression itself. Edenfield--U.S. at--, 113 S.Ct. at 1798,
(fraudulent or deceptive advertising may be banned without further
justification)...Ohralik v. Ohio State Bar Asso. 436 U.S. 447, 462, 98
S.Ct. 1912, 1921, 56 L.Ed.2d 444 (1978) (protection of the public from
solicitations pressed with such frequency and vehemence as to be
harassing is a legitimate and important state interest)" Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632, Civ. No. 93-737-AS, US District
Court, D. Oregon, Jan 20, 1994.

   "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine
(FAX), computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisement to
FAX machine had rational basis for distinguishing senders of
advertisements from senders of other kinds of messages, advertisements
from other business messages, and commercial faxes from those
advertisements not addressing commercial availability of goods or
services, as part of its attempt to protect consumers from burdens
caused by transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising, and thus
statute did not violate equal protection. Communications Act of 1934,
sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
Const.Amends. 5,14." Destination Ventures Ltd. v FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Provision of Telephone Consumer Protection Act which banned
automated telemarketing calls did not violate First Amendment, despite
contention that banning only automated calls and not all telemarketing
calls would not advance government's interest in protecting privacy;
since ban on automated calls was not attempt to favor a particular
viewpoint, underinclusiveness of Act did not render it
unconstitutional given Congress' finding that automated calls invaded
privacy, and Act left open many alternative channels of communication,
including use of taped messages introduced by live speakers, taped
messages to which consumers have consented, and all live solicitation
calls. U.S.C.A. Const.Amend 1; Communications Act of 1934, sec.
227(b)(1), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)." Moser v. FCC, 46
F.3d 970, No. 93-35686, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, Argued and
Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 6, 1995.

   "The parties agree that the restriction upon unsolicited fax
advertisements is content-based, and that, as a restriction on
commercial speech, the statute would pass constitutional muster if it
directly advances a substantial governmental interest in a manner that
is no more extensive than necessary to serve that interest. Central
Hudson Gas & Electric Corp. v. Public Service Com., 447 U.S. 557,
564-66, 100 S.Ct 2343, 2350-51, 65 L.Ed.2d 341 (1980)." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas concluded that the statute, a
content-based restriction on commercial speech, met the constitutional
requirement that it directly advances a substantial governmental
interest in a manner that is no more extensive than necessary to serve
that interest.  Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas has recommended to this
court that, in light of the conclusion of the court that the statute
is constitutionally valid, the plaintiffs' motion for summary
judgement be denied and the defendants' motion to dismiss be granted."
Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
free".)

   "Ban on unsolicited faxes that contain advertisements, set forth in
Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, did not violate
advertiser's First Amendment rights given that commercial solicitation
ban reasonably fit government's interest in preventing shifting of
advertising costs to consumers and ban was evenhanded in that it
applied to commercial solicitation by any organization.  U.S.C.A.
Const.Amends. 1, 5; Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as
amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C)." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
FCC, 46 F.3d 54, No. 94-35295, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit,
Argued and Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 1, 1995.

   "Destination does not contest the government's substantial interest
in preventing the shifting of advertising costs to
consumers...Specifically, it contends that the government has not
shown that faxes containing advertising are any more costly to
consumers than other unsolicited faxes such as those containing
political or 'prank' messages.  According to Destination, Congress may
not single out advertisements for regulation when other types of
unsolicited faxes produce the same cost-shifting.  We disagree.
Because Congress's goal was to prevent the shifting of advertising
costs, limiting its regulation to faxes containing advertising was
justified.  The ban is even-handed, in that it applies to commercial
solicitation by any organization, be it a multi-national corporation
or the Girl Scouts...The plaintiffs have not disputed that unsolicited
commercial fax solicitations are responsible for the bulk of
advertising cost shifting.  Thus, banning them is a reasonable means
to achieve Congress's goal of reducing cost shifting.  The First
Amendment does not require Congress to forgo addressing the problem at
all unless it completely eliminates cost shifting.  United States v.
Edge Broadcasting Co., --U.S --,--, 113 S.Ct. 2696, 2707, 125 L.Ed.2d
345 (1993)."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine,
computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements to
telephone facsimile (FAX) machine was valid content-based restriction
on commercial speech; interest in protecting consumers from economic
harm resulting from unfair shifting of advertising costs from
advertiser to customer was substantial interest directly advanced by
statute and restriction was narrowly tailored to serve specific
purpose for which it was intended. Communications Act of 1934, sec.
227(b)(1)(C), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
Const.Amend. 1."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
1994).

   "Statute making it unlawful to use telephone facsimile (FAX)
machine, computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements
as to 'commercial availability' of good or service did not contain
arbitrary distinction between commercial and noncommercial messages,
but was narrowly tailored to purpose of preventing unfair shifting of
advertising costs from advertiser to unwilling
consumer...Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended,
47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A. Const.Amend. 1."  Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994). 

   "While the challenged portion of TCPA is not directed toward any
specific commercial arrangement being proposed by advertising, the
congressional committees that considered the legislation identified
other harms associated with unsolicited fax advertising.  The House
Committee on Energy and Commerce noted that 'the proliferation of
facsimile machines has been accompanied by explosive growth in
unsolicited facsimile advertising, or 'junk fax''. H.R.Rep No. 317,
102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991).  The Report continues:
   Facsimile machines are designed to accept, process, and print all
messages which arrive over their dedicated lines.  The fax advertisers
take advantage of this basic design by sending advertisements to
available fax numbers, knowing that it will be received and printed by
the recipient's machine.  This type of telemarketing is problematic
for two reasons.  First, it shifts some of the costs of advertising
from the sender to the recipient. Second, it occupies the recipient's
facsimile machine so that it is unavailable for legitimate business
messages while processing and printing the junk fax.
   In the case of fax advertising...the recipient assumes both the
cost of the associated with the use of the facsimile machine and, the
cost of the expensive paper used to print out facsimile messages.  It
is important to note that these costs are borne by the recipient of
the fax advertisement regardless of their interest in the product or
service being advertised." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS
632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Testimony before the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and
Finance also indicates that Congress was identifying and addressing a
substantial interest:    
   Today the subcommittee will look at problems that have received
attention from the public and from Congress--[including]...the
unauthorized sending of advertisements through fax machines...
   [A] festering problem has arisen from the so-called 'junk fax'.
Junk fax is more than merely irritating.  It represents an unfair
shifting of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the
unwitting customer." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Janlori Goldman, legislative counsel for the American Civil
Liberties Union, also testified that her organization supported
restrictions on unsolicited fax advertisements, because of the
economic burdens those messages place on the recipients." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "This court concludes that Congress' interest in protecting
consumers from the economic harm resulting from the 'unfair shifting
of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the unwitting
customer' and other harms that could be associated with unsolicited
fax solicitations (unsolicited faxes can interfere with a machine's
use) is a substantial interest which is identiried in the TCPA's
legislative history." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
(D.Or. 1994).

   "Despite the lack of detailed studies, there were repeated,
uncontradicted references made before congress describing how
facsimile advertising shifts economic burdens from the advertiser to
the consumer. Furthermore, there were references to the fact that half
of the states are considering restrictions on unsolicited fax
advertising." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
1994).

   "Because Congress has addressed a substantial interest in
protecting consumers from the economic harms inflicted through
unsolicited advertisement faxes, however, the subsequent banning of
those unsolicited faxes directly advances that interest." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "The TCPA, however, has the purpose of preventing the unfair
shifting of advertising costs from the advertiser to the unwilling
consumer.  The ban on all unsolicited advertisement faxes, therefore,
represents a reasonable fit with the statute's purpose.  Unsolicited
advertisements from any source are banned, to serve the specific
purpose of protecting consumers from being burdened by the unfiar
shifting of advertising costs." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "In this case, however, there is clearly a rational basis for the
distinctions drawn by the challenged portion of the TCPA.  The TCPA
was drafted in part to protect consumers from burdens caused by the
transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising; accordingly, there is a
rational basis for the TCPA's ban." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC,
844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "Conclusion
   Congress drafted the portion of the TCPA challenged by plaintiffs
as a means to directly advance the substantial governmental interest
of protecting consumers against burdens created by the transmission of
unsolicited fax advertisements.  The ban against such advertisements
imposed by the TCPA is narrowly tailored and no more extensive than
necessary to serve that valid, substantial governmental interest.
Accordingly, defendant's motion to dismiss (doc. #11) should be
GRANTED, and plaintiffs' motion for summary judgement (doc. #16)
should be DENIED.  DATED this 14th day of December, 1993." Destination
Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
annoy.")

   "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
Cir. 1995).

   "H.R.Rep No. 317, 102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991). 'Since businesses
have begun to express concern about the interference, interruptions,
and expense that junk fax have placed upon them, states are taking
action to eliminate these telemarketing practices.  Connecticut and
Maryland have enacted laws banning the use of facsimile machines for
unsolicited advertising.  Similar bills are pending in the
legislatures of about half the states." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

   "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
(1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
copy.")

   "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
(1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "The possibility of future technological advances allowing
simultaneous transmission and eliminating the need for paper does not
alter this conclusion.  We look at the problem as it existed when
Congress enacted the statute, rather than speculate upon what
solutions may turn up in the future.  Therefore, we hold that the ban
on unsolicited fax advertisements meets the Central Hudson and Fox
test for restrictions on commercial speech." Destination Ventures Ltd.
v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir. 1995).

   "Prerecorded messages cluttered answering machines, and automated
devices did not disconnect immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972."
Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir. 1995).

   "Plaintiffs' suggested alternatives (creating a 'do not fax' list;
regulating the hours of fax advertising; limiting the number or
frequency of transmissions) fail to establish that the legislation
Congress did choose is improperly tailored for its targeted goal,
protecting consumers from the burdens associated with receiving
unsolicited fax advertisements." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).

5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
okay.")

   "Congress held extensive hearings on telemarketing in 1991.  Based
upon these hearings, it concluded that telemarketing calls to homes
constituted an unwarranted intrusion upon privacy.  The volume of such
calls increased substantially with the advent of automated devices
that dial up to 1,000 phone numbers an hour and play prerecorded sales
pitches. S.Rep. No. 102-178, 102nd Cong., 1st Sess. (1991), reprinted
in 1991 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1968, 1970.  By the fall of 1991, more than
180,000 solicitors were using automated machines to telephone 7
million people each day. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
1995).

   "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
Cir. 1995).

   "Conclusion
   The provision in the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991
banning automated, prerecorded calls to residences is content-neutral.
Congress adequately demonstrated that such calls pose a threat to
residential privacy.  The ban is narrowly tailored to advance that
interest, and leaves open ample alternative channels of communication.
Thus, it does not violate the First Amendment.  REVERSED." Moser v.
FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th. Cir. 1995).

   Now, this is only the first batch of case law on this that I've
come across, but it should be pretty clear that the focus of the law
is on intrusive commercial solicitation.  US Code Title 47 sec. 227
(b)(1)(C) specifically mentions using a computer to send an
unsolicited message; the court has said that "The possibility of
future technological advances allowing simultaneous transmission and
eliminating the need for paper does not alter this conclusion.", so
the "email doesn't count" argument starts to sound rather hollow..
Because of this case law, I'm sure that it's been applied to email
cases before, and I had heard about such a decision a couple of years
ago, when the general public had not yet had exposure to the
internet, and spamming was very new.  I'll continue to look for the
email-specific cases, and would appreciate seeing any material that
anyone has run across on this.


jackal

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Since the only motivation for this posting could have been to attack Netwave -
would that be considered Libel or Slander??? ;)

karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) wrote:

>I just got off the phone with Jay Novosek, President of Netwave.
>
>Their firm's policy is that no action or content posted by their subscribers
>is under their control, and that they bear no duty or other responsibility to 
>do anything, regardless of those actions.
>
>Therefore, if you wish to post Spam or unsolicited email, I recommend
>NETWAVE!  I stronly recommend that you buy your account there if you are 
>a firm or individual which wishes to post off-topic, irrelavent, libelous, 
>obscene, or other material which is normally in violation of the Internet 
>AUPs (and possibly the law) most ISPs operate under and with.
>
>Again, this has been confirmed by in a voice conversation with Jay Novosek, 
>President of Netwave.
>
>BUY YOUR ACCOUNTS ON NETWAVE IF YOU ARE A SPAMMER!  They will not throw you
>off; they have an absolute no-censorship policy and completely support
>anyones right to say anything at any time.  This was confirmed by both 
>Jay Novosek and Richard Dib, both of whom claimed to be owners of the 
>company.
>
>Netwave can be reached at:
>
>Network Exploration Technologies, Inc. (NETWAVE2-DOM)
>   820 N. Orleans Suite 405
>   Chicago, IL 60610
>
>   1(800)961-WAVE
>
>All of the above is "just my honest opinion",
>
>--
>--
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Bob Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> Since the only motivation for this posting could have been to attack Netwave -
> would that be considered Libel or Slander??? ;)
> 

Only if what Karl claimed in his post can be proven false.
--
James V. Reagan
Java & OOA/D Consulting, Mentoring, and Development
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"James V. Reagan" <jreagan@mcs.net> wrote:

>Bob Zimmerman wrote:
>> 
>> Since the only motivation for this posting could have been to attack Netwave -
>> would that be considered Libel or Slander??? ;)
>> 
>
>Only if what Karl claimed in his post can be proven false.

I thought there was something about even if it is true - if it can be
determined that the only reason you posted or said an item - the only value /
merit was to cause harm and there was no other benefit - that it could be
considered Libel or Slander (I think this was one of the differentiations).


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From: michaelc@netwave.net (Michael)
Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/25
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In article <3219F025.15AC@wwa.com>,
Chuck Renaud <crenaud@wwa.com> wrote:

>michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
>> These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
>> specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
>> system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
>> of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.
>
>Being that the binaries are stored on the ISPs computers, that would
indeed make them 
>distributors of that specific content.  It is not merely a pass-through,
as those files have to 
>be stored somewhere.

Thats only *your opinion* Chuck and mine above is supported by numerous
prominent legal minds around the country other organizations.
Maybe your belief in censorship would not listen to their point of view.

If one has evidence of known proveable specific copyright violations then
of course
one has the responsibility to report it but to argue for selective
censorship is a
dangerous slippery slope that would threaten everyones constitutional rights.
That last part was what the massive opposition to the CDA was about Chuck.
You seem to be in favor of the heavy censorship imposed on our liberties
by the CDA.

>> Someone would be a fool to participate in these so called newsgroups
>> because it is well known that law enforcement works these groups.
>
>Ah yes, and it's okay for people to tolerate prostitutes and drug dealers
in their neighborhoods 
>because the cops bust some of them occasionally.

What??  This has nothing what so ever to do with the Internet and
therefore is not
a logical analogy.  Please stick to the issue. Hint - This newsgroup is
chi.internet

>> You clearly don't know what there position is karl.
>
>You clearly don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" or
"their" and "there"

Again please stick to the issue and leave out this irrelevant blather.
Its pretty damn nit picky Chucky to pick out a 2 character typo.
I guess you never made a typo or a spelling mistake of any kind.  Sheesh...

>> First of all karl, Netwave never at any time supported abusive network
>> practices. If they ever did I would criticise them strongly.
>
>So you've verified that NetWave does not allow spammers?

As much as you have verified that WWA or other ISPs don't allow spammers.

Every ISP has had people and will have people that hit newsgroups with
their blatantly commercial ads even including one shameless owner of a
ISP.
This obnoxious commercial advertising spam is what is polluting the newsgroups.
The key is that providers must not allow this commercial spam to continue.
In my opinion repeat commercial ad spammers should be kicked off pronto.

Any provider that has been shown specific proof of more than one commercial ad
spam or mailbomb incident from one entity and doesn't pull that account with no
more than one warning is extremely irresponsible in my opinion.
Its even more serious if the violator is an ISP himself or repeatedly harbors
the violator.

>> However I do have proof of your use of threatening abusive unsolicited mail
>> that included commercial advertising. You better kick yourself off for
that one.
>
>Has anyone told you that it's poor "Netiquette" to threaten people
publically with private email?

Has anyone one told you that unsolicted threatening abusive email that includes
commercial advertising for a business is a very serious breach of "Netiquette"
and I have every right to hold it up to public scrutiny and to warn the sender
never to harass me with his email ever again.  Once they pull that kind of crap,
that email no longer any right to privacy. I guess you think people have the
right to do that Chuck. In my opinion they don't, so please don't support them.

>> Your raving wild again karl with no facts to back you up. But having no facts
>> has never stopped you from going on wild rants before.
>
>-karl +michaelc

Cool I finally got a plus from you. :-) 

>I don't agree with Karl's posts most of the time and I didn't choose MCS
as an ISP for various 
>reasons.  But you really amaze me with the stupidity of your posts. They
never make any points,

Gee and here I thought you might have been a karl supporter Chuck. Glad to
hear that.
Maybe that just leaves Paul Montgomery here as the only karl supporter left.

Ahhh... I see. You just make totally critically petty picky posts without
really making
a valid point on an issue and you call someone else stupid. Speak for
yourself Chucky.

>they're almost always hypocritical (asking for specifics while never
giving any yourself) and you 
>choose to attack people instead of the issues.

Hummm... it appears your attacking your own petty posts here.
Can you say -> Hypocritical Chucky attacking people instead of the issues.

>At least when Sarlo posts, he makes some points and is entertaining. 
You're 0 for 2.

Your being irrelevant again Chucky. Hummm... kinda like most of your posts. :-)

By the way,  no one else here can live up to Sarlo posts and your way at the
end of the line.

Michael



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In article <michaelc-2408962327280001@pppc13.netwave.net>,
michaelc@netwave.net (Michael) wrote a couple of grammatical errors:

>In article <3219F025.15AC@wwa.com>,
>Chuck Renaud <crenaud@wwa.com> wrote:
>
>>michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
>>> These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
>>> specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
>>> system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
>>> of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.
>>
>>Being that the binaries are stored on the ISPs computers, that would
>indeed make them 
>>distributors of that specific content.  It is not merely a pass-through,
>as those files have to 
>>be stored somewhere.
>
>Thats only *your opinion* Chuck and mine above is supported by numerous
>prominent legal minds around the country other organizations.
>Maybe your belief in censorship would not listen to their point of view.
>
>If one has evidence of known proveable specific copyright violations then
>of course
>one has the responsibility to report it but to argue for selective
>censorship is a
>dangerous slippery slope that would threaten everyones constitutional rights.
>That last part was what the massive opposition to the CDA was about Chuck.
>You seem to be in favor of the heavy censorship imposed on our liberties
>by the CDA.

Oops forgot a couple words when I wrote that quick. Here it the full version:

Thats only *your opinion* Chuck and mine above is supported by numerous
prominent legal minds around the country and organizations supporting freedom.
Maybe your belief in censorship would not listen to their point of view.

<edit>

>>> However I do have proof of your use of threatening abusive unsolicited mail
>>> that included commercial advertising. You better kick yourself off for
>that one.
>>
>>Has anyone told you that it's poor "Netiquette" to threaten people
>publically with private email?
>
>Has anyone one told you that unsolicted threatening abusive email that includes
>commercial advertising for a business is a very serious breach of "Netiquette"
>and I have every right to hold it up to public scrutiny and to warn the sender
>never to harass me with his email ever again.  Once they pull that kind
of crap,
>that email no longer any right to privacy. I guess you think people have the
>right to do that Chuck. In my opinion they don't, so please don't support them.

That paragraph should read like this with the word "has" added:

Has anyone one told you that unsolicted threatening abusive email that includes
commercial advertising for a business is a very serious breach of "Netiquette"
and I have every right to hold it up to public scrutiny and to warn the sender
never to harass me with his email ever again.  Once they pull that kind of crap,
that email no longer has any right to privacy. I guess you think people have the
right to do that Chuck. In my opinion they don't, so please don't support them.

<edit>

Michael



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Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
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Michael wrote:
> 
> In article <3219F025.15AC@wwa.com>,
> Chuck Renaud <crenaud@wwa.com> wrote:
> 
> >michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
> >> These common carriers are Not publishers, editors or distributors of any
> >> specific content. They merely offer access to the Internet through their
> >> system and *It is Not their responsibility to monitor every little piece
> >> of material or newsgroup that goes through their lines.
> >
> >Being that the binaries are stored on the ISPs computers, that would
> indeed make them
> >distributors of that specific content.  It is not merely a pass-through,
> as those files have to
> >be stored somewhere.
> 
> Thats only *your opinion* Chuck and mine above is supported by numerous
> prominent legal minds around the country other organizations.
> Maybe your belief in censorship would not listen to their point of view.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. 

Until these opinions appear in a court of law, and are made into a ruling,
they remain opinions, and not the force of law.

The laws in the US are based on what is written by the government (federal
or state) into the statutes, and previous court interpretations of these
statutes. Opinions are not a factor in this equation.

Until some ISP's are dragged into court, and some ruling handed down, OR
the laws are written to specify ISP's, nobody *knows* what will happen. 

I can have the *opinion* of the best legal minds in the country on my side,
and if the judge/jury decides against me, I go to jail. And those people will
still have those same *opinions* and I will still be in jail.

To my knowledge, neither the lawmakers or courts have ruled either way on
the common carrier status of ISP's, Until this happens, all anyone can do
is guess, and that is all anyone's *opinion* is, a guess.

And since this is America, one can express their opinion. Even presidents of
an ISP can, even if they expose their sweet potatoes doing so.

If you don't like your ISP, switch its not like there is a monopoly there. If
you don't like another ISP, filter them out.



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From: michaelc@netwave.net (Michael)
Subject: Re: Censorship & Silencing your constitutional rights {was Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/08/26
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In article <3220F754.1393@enteract.com>,
"John B. Hines" <jhines@enteract.com> wrote:

<previous posts Re: Common Carrier Status for ISP's deleted>

>Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. 
>
>Until these opinions appear in a court of law, and are made into a ruling,
>they remain opinions, and not the force of law.
>
>The laws in the US are based on what is written by the government (federal
>or state) into the statutes, and previous court interpretations of these
>statutes. Opinions are not a factor in this equation.
>
>Until some ISP's are dragged into court, and some ruling handed down, OR
>the laws are written to specify ISP's, nobody *knows* what will happen. 

Very true John. Of course the ISP's have remained relatively free of 
government intrusion and probably will at least for the near term thanks
to the strong condemnation of the very intrusive CDA act by the Federal Court.
Hence virtually all ISPs remain committed to Opposing Censorship.

Some ISPs will delete a few binaries{pictures} newsgroups, which Is Not At
All Like The Blanket Censorship of hundreds of newsgroups like one
provider does. This is based on the belief that people would find some
posts in those few groups
a violation of law even according to a very liberal interpretation of
community standards. There is a big Big difference between these two.

>I can have the *opinion* of the best legal minds in the country on my side,
>and if the judge/jury decides against me, I go to jail. And those people will
>still have those same *opinions* and I will still be in jail.

Exactly John. Plus if there were very conservative judges like Rehnquist<sp>,
Scalia and Thomas on the Federal District Court, then the unanimous 3 to 0
ruling condemning the CDA act as unconstitutional would not have happened.
Kinda chilling to think about.

>To my knowledge, neither the lawmakers or courts have ruled either way on
>the common carrier status of ISP's, Until this happens, all anyone can do
>is guess, and that is all anyone's *opinion* is, a guess.

Not to my knowledge either John despite the singular opinion misinformation
put out by karl trying to put words in my mouth that I never said to the
contrary.
Of course he tends to imagine things that aren't there. 

Fortunately though some of the best legal minds and organizations support
the positition of ISPs as common carriers.

>And since this is America, one can express their opinion. Even presidents of
>an ISP can, even if they expose their sweet potatoes doing so.

Very exposed sweet presidental potatoes indeed!  ;-)

>If you don't like your ISP, switch its not like there is a monopoly there. If
>you don't like another ISP, filter them out.

True and lots of people do switch/leave.



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Chuck Renaud (crenaud@wwa.com) wrote:
: michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
: > You clearly don't know what there position is karl.

: You clearly don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" or
: "their" and "there"
[snip]

You don't appear to know the difference between relevance and
irrelevance.

: Has anyone told you that it's poor "Netiquette" to threaten people
: publically with private email?
         ^^
It would be prudent to avoid typographical errors when one is 
criticizing publicly those made by others. 

David 



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In article <3218e3a6.347374958@news.mcs.net>, nitebeat@mcs.com wrote:

>michaelc@netwave.net wrote:
>
>>If they support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I guess their wrong
>>in the karl tactics book. Sheesh this is Not the *karl Amerika* yet thank god.
>
>Another friggin' idiot thinks that the Constitution and the Bill of
>Rights apply to the use of an ISP's services.

You better do some thinking and studying for once Paul Montgomery.
Specifically read and reread Jude Crouch's post regarding Freedom Of Speech.
Freely speaking your opinion on a public newsgroup forum definitely is a
American and State Of Illinois freedom except for provable violations of law.

It seems your the only  *"friggin' idiot"*  here  *Paul Montgomery*

Multiple violations of a ISPs AUP{mainly commercial ad spam} or a
newsgroup charter are a different matter, are Not considered a freedom, and
are an even more grievous violation when the poster is an ISP head themselves.

>I wish that jerks like you would post a disclaimer to that effect at
>the top of each of your posts so I wouldn't waste my time wading
>through your poor logic AND sloppy spelling/grammar.
>
>Paul
>--
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>info@LogonChi.com

I wish that jerks like you could think even once before posting your posts with
No Logic and Overall Sloppiness, but maybe your too Hardheaded.
It seems your the only one on here Paul Montgomery that supports karl d.

Michael
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Date: 1996/08/29
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michaelc@netwave.net (Michael) wrote:

>You better do some thinking and studying for once Paul Montgomery.

Sorry, duuuuude...I have a very demanding day job, and I do too much
night-time net surfin' to be able to find the time.  Besides, I'm an
old dawg, and I ain't interested in larnin' new tricks.

>Specifically read and reread Jude Crouch's post regarding Freedom Of Speech.

Why?  What has anything that Jude Crouch has to say have to do with
what is written in the Constitution?  Ya got me on that one, I've
gotta admit.  Oh, woe.

>Freely speaking your opinion on a public newsgroup forum definitely is a
>American and State Of Illinois freedom except for provable violations of >law.

Uhhh...are you saying that you can do/say as you please within the
known boundaries of the Law without fear of having your account
revoked by your ISP, because you have "Freedom of Speech" protection
under the Constitution?

To put it in even simpler terms (because it would appear that you need
them) are you saying that if you piss off your ISP by saying something
- be it online OR OFFLINE - that your ISP doesn't like, and your
account is subsequently revoked, that you will have legal recourse
because your Constitutional Rights have been violated?

Paul
Paul
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I agrjackal wrote:
> 
>    There has been an excessive amount of philosophy and rhetoric about
> the law, and no cases cited as far as I (or anyone else I know)  have
> seen.  Therefore, I decided to do some research on this.  Please keep
> in mind, what follows is ONLY THE BEGINNING, only the initial cases
> that I've found, and the research continues.  I will be grateful to
> anyone who provides me with the 'holy grail' case where the court
> specifically says 'no unsolicited email';  looking at the cases,  it's
> easy to see the application to email, especially the comments on
> future technology.
> 
>    What follows are citations from cases involving US Code Title 47
> sec. 227, commonly called the 'junk fax' law, or the TCPA (Telephone
> Consumer Protection Act).  The cases involved fax and telephone
> solicitation.  Although email was not involved in these cases, the
> evidence, testimony, and decisions crush virtually every argument that
> the spammers make.  I've grouped the citations into five common
> categories of argument:
> 
> 1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")
> 2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
> free".)
> 3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
> annoy.")
> 4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
> copy.")
> 5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
> okay.")
> 
> 1. Violation of First Amendment rights ("I have the right to say it.")
> 
>    "Commercial speech...is 'linked inextricably' with the commercial
> arrangement that it proposes, Friedman v. Rogers, 440 U.S. 1, 10, n. 9
> [99 S.Ct 887, 894, n. 9, 59 L.ed.2d 100], so the State's interest in
> regulating the action may give it a concomitant interest in the
> expression itself. Edenfield--U.S. at--, 113 S.Ct. at 1798,
> (fraudulent or deceptive advertising may be banned without further
> justification)...Ohralik v. Ohio State Bar Asso. 436 U.S. 447, 462, 98
> S.Ct. 1912, 1921, 56 L.Ed.2d 444 (1978) (protection of the public from
> solicitations pressed with such frequency and vehemence as to be
> harassing is a legitimate and important state interest)" Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632, Civ. No. 93-737-AS, US District
> Court, D. Oregon, Jan 20, 1994.
> 
>    "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine
> (FAX), computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisement to
> FAX machine had rational basis for distinguishing senders of
> advertisements from senders of other kinds of messages, advertisements
> from other business messages, and commercial faxes from those
> advertisements not addressing commercial availability of goods or
> services, as part of its attempt to protect consumers from burdens
> caused by transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising, and thus
> statute did not violate equal protection. Communications Act of 1934,
> sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
> Const.Amends. 5,14." Destination Ventures Ltd. v FCC, 844 FS 632
> (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Provision of Telephone Consumer Protection Act which banned
> automated telemarketing calls did not violate First Amendment, despite
> contention that banning only automated calls and not all telemarketing
> calls would not advance government's interest in protecting privacy;
> since ban on automated calls was not attempt to favor a particular
> viewpoint, underinclusiveness of Act did not render it
> unconstitutional given Congress' finding that automated calls invaded
> privacy, and Act left open many alternative channels of communication,
> including use of taped messages introduced by live speakers, taped
> messages to which consumers have consented, and all live solicitation
> calls. U.S.C.A. Const.Amend 1; Communications Act of 1934, sec.
> 227(b)(1), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)." Moser v. FCC, 46
> F.3d 970, No. 93-35686, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, Argued and
> Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 6, 1995.
> 
>    "The parties agree that the restriction upon unsolicited fax
> advertisements is content-based, and that, as a restriction on
> commercial speech, the statute would pass constitutional muster if it
> directly advances a substantial governmental interest in a manner that
> is no more extensive than necessary to serve that interest. Central
> Hudson Gas & Electric Corp. v. Public Service Com., 447 U.S. 557,
> 564-66, 100 S.Ct 2343, 2350-51, 65 L.Ed.2d 341 (1980)." Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas concluded that the statute, a
> content-based restriction on commercial speech, met the constitutional
> requirement that it directly advances a substantial governmental
> interest in a manner that is no more extensive than necessary to serve
> that interest.  Magistrate Judge Ashmanskas has recommended to this
> court that, in light of the conclusion of the court that the statute
> is constitutionally valid, the plaintiffs' motion for summary
> judgement be denied and the defendants' motion to dismiss be granted."
> Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
> 2. Having no overhead ("It's a great new medium that I can use for
> free".)
> 
>    "Ban on unsolicited faxes that contain advertisements, set forth in
> Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, did not violate
> advertiser's First Amendment rights given that commercial solicitation
> ban reasonably fit government's interest in preventing shifting of
> advertising costs to consumers and ban was evenhanded in that it
> applied to commercial solicitation by any organization.  U.S.C.A.
> Const.Amends. 1, 5; Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as
> amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C)." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
> FCC, 46 F.3d 54, No. 94-35295, US Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit,
> Argued and Submitted Oct. 31, 1994, Decided Feb. 1, 1995.
> 
>    "Destination does not contest the government's substantial interest
> in preventing the shifting of advertising costs to
> consumers...Specifically, it contends that the government has not
> shown that faxes containing advertising are any more costly to
> consumers than other unsolicited faxes such as those containing
> political or 'prank' messages.  According to Destination, Congress may
> not single out advertisements for regulation when other types of
> unsolicited faxes produce the same cost-shifting.  We disagree.
> Because Congress's goal was to prevent the shifting of advertising
> costs, limiting its regulation to faxes containing advertising was
> justified.  The ban is even-handed, in that it applies to commercial
> solicitation by any organization, be it a multi-national corporation
> or the Girl Scouts...The plaintiffs have not disputed that unsolicited
> commercial fax solicitations are responsible for the bulk of
> advertising cost shifting.  Thus, banning them is a reasonable means
> to achieve Congress's goal of reducing cost shifting.  The First
> Amendment does not require Congress to forgo addressing the problem at
> all unless it completely eliminates cost shifting.  United States v.
> Edge Broadcasting Co., --U.S --,--, 113 S.Ct. 2696, 2707, 125 L.Ed.2d
> 345 (1993)."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir.
> 1995).
> 
>    "Statute making it unlawful to use any telephone facsimile machine,
> computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements to
> telephone facsimile (FAX) machine was valid content-based restriction
> on commercial speech; interest in protecting consumers from economic
> harm resulting from unfair shifting of advertising costs from
> advertiser to customer was substantial interest directly advanced by
> statute and restriction was narrowly tailored to serve specific
> purpose for which it was intended. Communications Act of 1934, sec.
> 227(b)(1)(C), as amended, 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A.
> Const.Amend. 1."  Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
> 1994).
> 
>    "Statute making it unlawful to use telephone facsimile (FAX)
> machine, computer, or other device to send unsolicited advertisements
> as to 'commercial availability' of good or service did not contain
> arbitrary distinction between commercial and noncommercial messages,
> but was narrowly tailored to purpose of preventing unfair shifting of
> advertising costs from advertiser to unwilling
> consumer...Communications Act of 1934, sec. 227(b)(1)(C), as amended,
> 47 U.S.C.A. sec. 227(b)(1)(C); U.S.C.A. Const.Amend. 1."  Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "While the challenged portion of TCPA is not directed toward any
> specific commercial arrangement being proposed by advertising, the
> congressional committees that considered the legislation identified
> other harms associated with unsolicited fax advertising.  The House
> Committee on Energy and Commerce noted that 'the proliferation of
> facsimile machines has been accompanied by explosive growth in
> unsolicited facsimile advertising, or 'junk fax''. H.R.Rep No. 317,
> 102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991).  The Report continues:
>    Facsimile machines are designed to accept, process, and print all
> messages which arrive over their dedicated lines.  The fax advertisers
> take advantage of this basic design by sending advertisements to
> available fax numbers, knowing that it will be received and printed by
> the recipient's machine.  This type of telemarketing is problematic
> for two reasons.  First, it shifts some of the costs of advertising
> from the sender to the recipient. Second, it occupies the recipient's
> facsimile machine so that it is unavailable for legitimate business
> messages while processing and printing the junk fax.
>    In the case of fax advertising...the recipient assumes both the
> cost of the associated with the use of the facsimile machine and, the
> cost of the expensive paper used to print out facsimile messages.  It
> is important to note that these costs are borne by the recipient of
> the fax advertisement regardless of their interest in the product or
> service being advertised." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS
> 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Testimony before the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and
> Finance also indicates that Congress was identifying and addressing a
> substantial interest:
>    Today the subcommittee will look at problems that have received
> attention from the public and from Congress--[including]...the
> unauthorized sending of advertisements through fax machines...
>    [A] festering problem has arisen from the so-called 'junk fax'.
> Junk fax is more than merely irritating.  It represents an unfair
> shifting of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the
> unwitting customer." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
> (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Janlori Goldman, legislative counsel for the American Civil
> Liberties Union, also testified that her organization supported
> restrictions on unsolicited fax advertisements, because of the
> economic burdens those messages place on the recipients." Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "This court concludes that Congress' interest in protecting
> consumers from the economic harm resulting from the 'unfair shifting
> of the cost of advertising from the advertiser to the unwitting
> customer' and other harms that could be associated with unsolicited
> fax solicitations (unsolicited faxes can interfere with a machine's
> use) is a substantial interest which is identiried in the TCPA's
> legislative history." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632
> (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Despite the lack of detailed studies, there were repeated,
> uncontradicted references made before congress describing how
> facsimile advertising shifts economic burdens from the advertiser to
> the consumer. Furthermore, there were references to the fact that half
> of the states are considering restrictions on unsolicited fax
> advertising." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or.
> 1994).
> 
>    "Because Congress has addressed a substantial interest in
> protecting consumers from the economic harms inflicted through
> unsolicited advertisement faxes, however, the subsequent banning of
> those unsolicited faxes directly advances that interest." Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "The TCPA, however, has the purpose of preventing the unfair
> shifting of advertising costs from the advertiser to the unwilling
> consumer.  The ban on all unsolicited advertisement faxes, therefore,
> represents a reasonable fit with the statute's purpose.  Unsolicited
> advertisements from any source are banned, to serve the specific
> purpose of protecting consumers from being burdened by the unfiar
> shifting of advertising costs." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
> FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "In this case, however, there is clearly a rational basis for the
> distinctions drawn by the challenged portion of the TCPA.  The TCPA
> was drafted in part to protect consumers from burdens caused by the
> transmitting of unsolicited fax advertising; accordingly, there is a
> rational basis for the TCPA's ban." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC,
> 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "Conclusion
>    Congress drafted the portion of the TCPA challenged by plaintiffs
> as a means to directly advance the substantial governmental interest
> of protecting consumers against burdens created by the transmission of
> unsolicited fax advertisements.  The ban against such advertisements
> imposed by the TCPA is narrowly tailored and no more extensive than
> necessary to serve that valid, substantial governmental interest.
> Accordingly, defendant's motion to dismiss (doc. #11) should be
> GRANTED, and plaintiffs' motion for summary judgement (doc. #16)
> should be DENIED.  DATED this 14th day of December, 1993." Destination
> Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
> 3. Nuisance ("I don't care if it's against 'netiquette' or who I
> annoy.")
> 
>    "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
> determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
> invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
> calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
> and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
> party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
> from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
> to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
> cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
> immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
> phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
> automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
> solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
> Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
> calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
> not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
> Cir. 1995).
> 
>    "H.R.Rep No. 317, 102d Cong., 1st Sess 10 (1991). 'Since businesses
> have begun to express concern about the interference, interruptions,
> and expense that junk fax have placed upon them, states are taking
> action to eliminate these telemarketing practices.  Connecticut and
> Maryland have enacted laws banning the use of facsimile machines for
> unsolicited advertising.  Similar bills are pending in the
> legislatures of about half the states." Destination Ventures Ltd. v.
> FCC, 844 FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
>    "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
> telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
> Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
> (1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
> not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
> charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
> means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
> 1995).
> 
> 4. New technology ("The law is about faxes, but there is no paper
> copy.")
> 
>    "That some companies prefer the cost and efficiency of automated
> telemarketing does not prevent Congress from restricting the practice.
> Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77, 88-89, 69 S.Ct. 448, 454, 93 L.Ed. 513
> (1949)('That more people may be more easily and cheaply reached...is
> not enough to call forth constitutional protection for what those
> charged with public welfare reasonably think is a nuisance when easy
> means of publicity are open.')." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
> 1995).
> 
>    "The possibility of future technological advances allowing
> simultaneous transmission and eliminating the need for paper does not
> alter this conclusion.  We look at the problem as it existed when
> Congress enacted the statute, rather than speculate upon what
> solutions may turn up in the future.  Therefore, we hold that the ban
> on unsolicited fax advertisements meets the Central Hudson and Fox
> test for restrictions on commercial speech." Destination Ventures Ltd.
> v. FCC, 46 F.3d 54 (9th Cir. 1995).
> 
>    "Prerecorded messages cluttered answering machines, and automated
> devices did not disconnect immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972."
> Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir. 1995).
> 
>    "Plaintiffs' suggested alternatives (creating a 'do not fax' list;
> regulating the hours of fax advertising; limiting the number or
> frequency of transmissions) fail to establish that the legislation
> Congress did choose is improperly tailored for its targeted goal,
> protecting consumers from the burdens associated with receiving
> unsolicited fax advertisements." Destination Ventures Ltd. v. FCC, 844
> FS 632 (D.Or. 1994).
> 
> 5. Violation of privacy ("I'm not taking info from anybody, so it's
> okay.")
> 
>    "Congress held extensive hearings on telemarketing in 1991.  Based
> upon these hearings, it concluded that telemarketing calls to homes
> constituted an unwarranted intrusion upon privacy.  The volume of such
> calls increased substantially with the advent of automated devices
> that dial up to 1,000 phone numbers an hour and play prerecorded sales
> pitches. S.Rep. No. 102-178, 102nd Cong., 1st Sess. (1991), reprinted
> in 1991 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1968, 1970.  By the fall of 1991, more than
> 180,000 solicitors were using automated machines to telephone 7
> million people each day. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th Cir.
> 1995).
> 
>    "In addition to the sheer volume of automated calls, Congress
> determined that such calls were 'more of a nuisance and a greater
> invasion of privacy than calls placed by 'live' persons' because such
> calls 'cannot interact with the customer except in preprogrammed ways'
> and 'do not allow the caller to feel the frustration of the called
> party...' Id. at 1972.  Customers who wanted to remove their names
> from calling lists were forced to wait until the end of taped messages
> to hear the callers' identifying information. Prerecorded messages
> cluttered answering machines, and automated devices did not disconnect
> immediately after a hang up. Id. at 1972.  In a survey conducted for a
> phone company, 75 percent of respondents favored regulation of
> automated calls, and half that number favored a ban on all phone
> solicitation. Id. at 1970.  Although 41 states and the District of
> Columbia have restricted or banned intrastate automated commercial
> calls, many states asked for federal legislation because states may
> not regulate interstate calls. Id." Moser v. FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th.
> Cir. 1995).
> 
>    "Conclusion
>    The provision in the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991
> banning automated, prerecorded calls to residences is content-neutral.
> Congress adequately demonstrated that such calls pose a threat to
> residential privacy.  The ban is narrowly tailored to advance that
> interest, and leaves open ample alternative channels of communication.
> Thus, it does not violate the First Amendment.  REVERSED." Moser v.
> FCC, 46 F.3d 970 (9th. Cir. 1995).
> 
>    Now, this is only the first batch of case law on this that I've
> come across, but it should be pretty clear that the focus of the law
> is on intrusive commercial solicitation.  US Code Title 47 sec. 227
> (b)(1)(C) specifically mentions using a computer to send an
> unsolicited message; the court has said that "The possibility of
> future technological advances allowing simultaneous transmission and
> eliminating the need for paper does not alter this conclusion.", so
> the "email doesn't count" argument starts to sound rather hollow..
> Because of this case law, I'm sure that it's been applied to email
> cases before, and I had heard about such a decision a couple of years
> ago, when the general public had not yet had exposure to the
> internet, and spamming was very new.  I'll continue to look for the
> email-specific cases, and would appreciate seeing any material that
> anyone has run across on this.
> 
> jackal
> 
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> Penny does mags.                                  Hammer a spammer.

I agree -- Hammer a spammer. Here's a tidbit I fished from somewhere off 
the Net:

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TRACKING DOWN SPAMS 

It's almost impossible to use Usenet today without running into spams. If you read newsgroups, you
constantly see off-topic obnoxious commercial junk messages. Anytime you post, you're in danger
of being added to some obnoxious direct-marketing mailing list. It all lowers the signal to noise ratio,
a particular bug in our ear (see motto). You can fight spammers by gleaning their true source and
complaining to the system administrators. Check the IP addresses in the message headers and use
the services below to find out where the junk is coming from. It won't always work, but it's a start.
Whois: "http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois/Ip2" Name:
"http://cello.cs.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/slamm/ip2name/" 


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From: Christophe Person <chrisp@dirac.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: All SPAMMERS!  Unite and use NETWAVE!
Date: 1996/09/02
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I wonder what would be the NETWAVE responsability in case one of the
spammers break something on a remote machine in result of his junk
mail... Anyway, if i receive spams from this site, it will be my
pleasure to send a few copies of junk to root, postmaster, and why not
to all users on their site.

  Do not do to your neighbors what you don't want them to do to you !

 Personnally, I think spammers are usually brainless potatoes who missed
the turn of the Internet and still try to make money out of it, given
the fact that they are incompetent most of the time where ethics is
required... 

 In fact, most of them are so stupid that they advertize their own
webpage or 1-800 number in the junk mail... Since a 800 number is not
free, I have regularly been using a very simple chat script so my modem
calls them overnight at the rate of 1 every 30s. It doesn't cost me a
dime and costs the assholes more than the spam could have made them
earn... I also secretely hope sometimes that it may run their company
out of business. I wish everybody does the same so they understand 
faster...
 
 Freedom of speech doesn't mean one has to listen to others' bullshit.
Forcing his way into my mailbox IS NOT freedom of speech but an
intrusion of my privacy. Posting to the news is since you decide to 
read them by yourself...



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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Subject: Re: sales@ultragrafix.com (817) 472-9516  email spams
Date: 1996/09/02
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	How stupid does he think people are?

In article <Pine.SUN.3.94.960828105330.2124A-100000@infinity.c2.net>, Robert Abrams <abrams@c2.org> writes:
>>On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Ultragrafix wrote:
>> To promote our new website at http:c{snippo!}
>> we are GIVING away thousands of copies of the ultimate Windows
>> compatible stereogram generator "SIRDS for NIRDS".  This program is
>> currently selling in stores for $2.95!
                                   ^^^^^
>>...
>> * Not including  shipping and handling.  Product must be shipped and
>> handled. 
>> 
>> Shipping and Handling of just $4.95 per item to anywhere in the U.S.
                                 ^^^^^

	Duh...  I think I'd buy it in the store instead...

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From: Tommy the Terrorist <u58563@uic.edu>
Subject: OPEN SEASON ON MCS.COM!!!
Date: 1996/09/03
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In article <4vbm64$fap@Jupiter.mcs.net> Karl Denninger, karl@MCS.COM
writes:

>I hope the US Attorney is reading this... knowingly distributing this 
>material is a felony..... you're now doing so knowingly.  Do you still
>maintain the same position you had this morning?

Real cute.  Because someone calls your system "jury-rigged" and says it
has "problems" in a post, you spew to the Net that Netwave harbors
spammers, despite clear proof offered to the contrary.  Having thus made
yourself a "libeler" 100x over what "michaelc" ever was (IF he were, and
I daresay there are enough posts from your ex-customers all over
chi.internet to prove him right!), and having been proven wrong, you have
the temerity to start playing censorship games with another provider.

What you appear to be pathologically incapable of understanding, is that
there is NO provider which is SAFE from a censorship campaign.  I mean,
you USE this --- you are the first to start using this bogus
"child-pornography" thing to try to intimidate a good provider into
screwing one of its customers! --- but you don't seem to understand that
it can be used against anyone, and that if you get it started, it's not
going to be under your control when it gets moving.  Hell, the DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE had "obscene" material put onto it without its knowledge ---
you think your little system is going to be safe, if and when someone
gets peeved enough to set you up for "knowingly distributing child
pornography"?  After all, you may say that they "should have known" that
some newsgroup was a "child porn" newsgroup --- but someone else will say
that YOU "should have known" that customers getting big E-mail messages
might be trading child pornography.  You don't understand that once you
start unraveling this piece of cloth it's going to all fall apart.

Because you have deliberately confounded the issues --- running from
"libel" (not), to "spam" (not), to, finally, resorting to your
time-honored tool of trying to threaten another provider with
state-sponsored censorship! --- I hereby declare OPEN SEASON on MCS.COM,
by all of us who DESPISE your pro-censorship beliefs, but who,
heretofore, have kept out of arguments between yourself and your
ex-customers or unfortunate current customers concerning technical
problems you say are their fault.  Because if you can't keep from making
censorship the issue when you're attacking, why should we leave it out
when you're defending?

P.S.  In case anyone here is still having Trouble With The Concept:  the
free-speech advocates here do not care so much that karl censors his own
system (though obviously it's a negative selling point); what we object
to is the precise statement above, in which he attempts to intimidate
OTHERS into censoring who knows how much content, in a futile effort to
prevent "child pornography" from passing through, which it WILL ANYWAY. 
Anyone desiring more comment from me on this subject can read
alt.censorship.



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From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: OPEN SEASON ON MCS.COM!!!
Date: 1996/09/03
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In article <50gip0$o6a@piglet.cc.uic.edu>,
Tommy the Terrorist  <u58563@uic.edu> wrote:
>In article <4vbm64$fap@Jupiter.mcs.net> Karl Denninger, karl@MCS.COM
>writes:
>
>>I hope the US Attorney is reading this... knowingly distributing this 
>>material is a felony..... you're now doing so knowingly.  Do you still
>>maintain the same position you had this morning?
>
>Real cute.  Because someone calls your system "jury-rigged" and says it
>has "problems" in a post, you spew to the Net that Netwave harbors
>spammers, despite clear proof offered to the contrary.  

On the contrary.  I had a 20-minute long telephone conversation in which
several statements were made by their management that they would not in any
way, shape or form censor based on content.

What's written on a web page is irrelavent if the ISP in question won't
actually ENFORCE that AUP.

I have yet to hear from Mr. Dib regarding the questions that I posed to him,
and referred to when he asked "why did Karl post this?" later on...

Declare "open season" all you want Tommy.  Its irrelavent; we're here, we're
not going away, and we're not going to change our view of the world.

RESPONSIBLE use of the Internet is something that we all have a stake in --
irresponsible abusive practices harm everyone, and in the end become the
reason that governments start to get involved.

Why do you think that anon.penet.fi was recently closed down?  Perhaps
because Julf steadfastly refused to release the source of abusive messages?
Perhaps the pressure just got to be a little too much from the Finnish
authorities? 

It is not the infrastructure that's the problem -- its the people.  We have
gone from being a community of rational, thinking people to those who would
use these tools in any way they please, with no accountability of any kind,
so long as a government thug doesn't show up at the door with gun drawn.

Its a sad reflection of our culture that it has all come to this.

--
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From: michaelc@netwave.net (Michael)
Subject: Re: Karl's half truths and proved bullshit
Date: 1996/09/03
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Thanks for bringing this latest incident to light James.

My oh my!  
It seems that karl is exposed again as a very large
*Hypocrite*  on the Internet.

He not only spams chi.internet himself with his commercial ad in a complete
disregard and violation of its charter, then by the following gilljam
@eagle.ais.net post appears to be harboring other spammers.

This appears to be just the latest Spam info about MCS.COM

Past incidents include last months rabid ridiculous rant of ALL SPAMMERS!
Unite...
which originated from MCS and the infamous apparently proven 1995
incidence of mailbombing 2 people from MCS.  I have the references on
these.
Other people can supply the information on other incidents.

Michael

----------------------------------
In article <50i8pc$dr4@news.ais.net>,
gilljam@eagle.ais.net (James Gilliard) wrote:

>In the Netwave article, as well as in many other articles, Karl has 
>claimed that ppl from MCS do **NOT** spam; that it is other companies.  
>That MCS doesn't allow that to happen.  Below are the message headers of 
>a message that was just recieved from **HIS** server: 
>kitten.mcs.com/mercury.mcs.com:
>
>From info@imaxx.net Tue Sep  3 16:29:05 1996
>Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by
eagle.ais.net (8.7.4/8.7.4ais) with ESMTP id QAA05227 for
<gilljam@ais.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:29:04 -0500 (CDT)
>From: info@imaxx.net
>Received: from mercury.mcs.com (Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by
Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA17988 for <gilljam@ais.net>;
Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:28:57 -0500 (CDT)
>Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.13)
>        id <m0uy31k-0003kvC@mercury.mcs.com>; Tue, 3 Sep 96 16:28 CDT
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>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 16:28 CDT
>Apparently-From: info@imaxx.net
>Apparently-To: gilljam@ais.net
>Status: OR
>
>Either imaxx.net is hosted by mcs.com or is a bogus email add.  I'd say 
>#1 as all headers point right back to **HIS** servers.  I just checked 
>and it says "That user does not exist".  Karl, in the future, PRACTICE 
>WHAT YOU PREACH AND WHAT YOU TRY TO FORCE OTHERS TO DO!!!
>
>-James
>gilljam@ais.net



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From: poleary@mcs.com (Peter O'Leary)
Subject: Re: OPEN SEASON ON MCS.COM!!!
Date: 1996/09/04
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On 3 Sep 1996 11:10:50 -0500, you wrote:


>>In article <4vbm64$fap@Jupiter.mcs.net> Karl Denninger, karl@MCS.COM
>>writes:
>>
[clip]
>Its a sad reflection of our culture that it has all come to this.


>Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity
[youknowwhat clipped]

Maybe so, but it's the only culture we got (or is that have?).
It's one thing to behave responsibly, even as the president of a large
ISP, and quite another to appoint onesself as arbiter of collective
cultural values and you're having a hard enough time with the former,
Karl.  Respectfully,
--
PJ O'Leary




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From: michaelc@netwave.net (Michael)
Subject: Re: Karl's half truths and proved bullshit
Date: 1996/09/06
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In article <michaelc-0309961909450001@pppc33.netwave.net>,
michaelc@netwave.net (Michael) wrote:

>He not only spams chi.internet himself with his commercial ad in a complete
>disregard and violation of its charter, then by the following gilljam
>@eagle.ais.net post appears to be harboring other spammers.

I will make a correction on the last half of that sentence.
This particular time karl appears to not be harboring this spammer and maybe
by this time{Thursday evening, Sept 5} that account is history as it should be.
However I doubt if that particular account would have been pulled if this spam
was directed at one or more of the many people whose opinions have critiqued
karl's angry confused whining rants.

If only he would have acted this quickly last year against the person who
mailbombed more than one individual who had criticized him in the past.
At the time despite solid irrefutable evidence that this person with an account
at MCS had sent multiple mailbombs from MCS, this mailbomber's MCS account
evidently was not terminated as it should have been for serious mailbombing.
This is all documented on one of Tim Skirvin's web pages.

There has only been silence from karl regarding his commercial ad spam
post in chi.internet in clear violation of the chi.internet charter as
solidly evidenced by
Jude Crouch's documentation. Silence is karl's admission that he was a violator.

My freedom of speech opinion,
Michael

-----------------------------------
>In article <50i8pc$dr4@news.ais.net>,
>gilljam@eagle.ais.net (James Gilliard) wrote:
>
>>In the Netwave article, as well as in many other articles, Karl has 
>>claimed that ppl from MCS do **NOT** spam; that it is other companies.  
>>That MCS doesn't allow that to happen.  Below are the message headers of 
>>a message that was just recieved from **HIS** server: 
>>kitten.mcs.com/mercury.mcs.com:
>>
>>From info@imaxx.net Tue Sep  3 16:29:05 1996
>>Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by
>eagle.ais.net (8.7.4/8.7.4ais) with ESMTP id QAA05227 for
><gilljam@ais.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:29:04 -0500 (CDT)
>>From: info@imaxx.net
>>Received: from mercury.mcs.com (Mercury.mcs.com [192.160.127.80]) by
>Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA17988 for <gilljam@ais.net>;
>Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:28:57 -0500 (CDT)
>>Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.13)
>>        id <m0uy31k-0003kvC@mercury.mcs.com>; Tue, 3 Sep 96 16:28 CDT
>>Message-Id: <m0uy31k-0003kvC@mercury.mcs.com>
>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 16:28 CDT
>>Apparently-From: info@imaxx.net
>>Apparently-To: gilljam@ais.net
>>Status: OR



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On 11 Sep 1996 04:37:49 GMT, mwellum@chat.carleton.ca (Michal
Wellum) wrote to All:

>.ca> <50d9v7$dlu@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> <32343492.10180239@news.newcomm.net>
>Distribution: 
>
>.....John Jenkins Sr (jenkins@newcomm.net) blithered:

'Blithered?' That's a low blow!(g)

>> Furthermore, the utilisation of cancellations by Mennie, Meece, and others,
>> in an attempt to hide these criticisms from the general view, is
>> unconscionable.
>
>> Your support of such actions is both misguided and unintelligent.
>
>> Judged by the groups to which you spammed your post, you obviously felt
>> that your message was important. Therefore, I shan't trim them. 
>
>Just a thought here...
> 
>	As an average Carleton student, I certainly don't give a flying
>fuck about Turmel or his fight with the quebec government over his back
>room poker games. If the wad would post to the appropriate groups, instead
>of spamming carleton.general with it, then none of this would have
>happened in the first place. 

He intentionally posted it to groups he thought were appropriate.
Posting carries no obligation to read. Just skip over anything in
which you're not interested. Others may be enthralled by
something that bores you stiff.  And any 'general' group is fair
game. That's usenet.

*You* wouldn't appreciate someone deleting a post you wished to
read. Especially if the censor was unauthorised. That's what
Mennie did. 

>I noticed that he has started placing little
>assinine defences as to why his post is available in carleton.general
>before he raves about the tyranny over there on the dark side. By doing
>this, he is only showing that his posts should be pointing elsewhere. Just
>a thought. I also don't care about mass deletion of posts either. Since
>95% of the stuff pumping thru usenet is drivvel anyway, I don't see why it
>has your boxers clumped around your gonads...

I agree that there is a high drivel content. The secret is to be
able to screen it ... for yourself. As for the boxer/gonads
syndrome... Mennie, by cancelling Turmel's post on
carleton.general, also cancelled it on several other national
groups, as well as the gambling and legal groups. My posted
criticisms of her action were also cancelled, as were those of
other usenet denizens. At that point, a brief epidemic of
boxer/gonad syndrome occurred.

Investigation turned up about 1000 other post cancellations by
Mennie. There has been some mention of knicker/knot syndrome, on
her part.

Many of the posts cancelled had nothing to do with her
alt.vomit.kia-mennie fruitcake meeting-place. 

Get it yet?

BTW, I noticed that we are operating under a followup line which
looks like Hormel's original recipe. I'll trim it down a bit.

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>                 High Enforcer of the Ministry of Battletech
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From: boursy@dhp.com (boursy)
Subject: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/28
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gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
>
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>Meow!
>

	Do you have a web page at world.std.com
as well???

			Steve
			news.admin.censorship



>Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
>Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
>
>Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
>
>And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
>
>Timmy missed me.
>
>Meow,
>Fluffy
>





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From: The Harvester of Eyes <me262@boc.org>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/28
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The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
> 
> boursy wrote:
> >
> > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> > >
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >
> >
> >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> > as well???
>
> Unfortunately, there is none.

This situation must be remedied!


> >                         Steve
> >                         news.admin.censorship
> >
> > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> > >
> > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> > >
> > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> > >
> > >Timmy missed me.
> > >
> > >Meow,
> > >Fluffy
> > >



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From: The Evil Human Resources Director <catbert@meow.com>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/28
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boursy wrote:
> 
> gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> >
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >
> 
>         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> as well???

Unfortunately, there is none.
 
>                         Steve
>                         news.admin.censorship
> 
> >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> >
> >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> >
> >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> >
> >Timmy missed me.
> >
> >Meow,
> >Fluffy
> >



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From: Action Access <admin@actionaccess.com>
Subject: ##### Site
Date: 1996/09/29
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don't we all want more hits? :)
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From: Napolean Bonaparte <petithomme@ciril.fr>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/29
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The Harvester of Eyes wrote:
> 
> The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
> >
> > boursy wrote:
> > >
> > > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >
> > >
> > >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> > > as well???
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is none.
> 
> This situation must be remedied!

Meow.



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From: Hemmoroid <bump@anus.org>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/30
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boursy wrote:
> 
> gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> >
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >
> 
>         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> as well???
> 
>                         Steve
>                         news.admin.censorship
> 
> >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> >
> >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> >
> >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> >
> >Timmy missed me.
> >
> >Meow,
> >Fluffy
> >
Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow.



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From: Hemmoroid <bump@anus.org>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/09/30
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The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
> 
> boursy wrote:
> >
> > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> > >
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >
> >
> >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> > as well???
> 
> Unfortunately, there is none.
> 
> >                         Steve
> >                         news.admin.censorship
> >
> > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> > >
> > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> > >
> > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> > >
> > >Timmy missed me.
> > >
> > >Meow,
> > >Fluffy
> > >
Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow.



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From: "Lloyd the Cat, Deceased" <lloyd@syringe.plop.unngh>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/10/01
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Hemmoroid wrote:
 > 
 > The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
 > >
 > > boursy wrote:
 > > >
 > > > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >
 > > >
 > > >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
 > > > as well???
 > >
 > > Unfortunately, there is none.
 > >
 > > >                         Steve
 > > >                         news.admin.censorship
 > > >
 > > > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
 > > > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
 > > > >
 > > > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
 > > > >
 > > > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
 > > > >
 > > > >Timmy missed me.
 > > > >
 > > > >Meow,
 > > > >Fluffy
 > > > >
 > Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow.

Please stop. Cease and desist. You are only making yourselves look silly.



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From: "Lloyd the Cat, Deceased" <lloyd@syringe.plop.unngh>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/10/01
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Hemmoroid wrote:
 > 
 > The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
 > >
 > > boursy wrote:
 > > >
 > > > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >Meow!
 > > > >
 > > >
 > > >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
 > > > as well???
 > >
 > > Unfortunately, there is none.
 > >
 > > >                         Steve
 > > >                         news.admin.censorship
 > > >
 > > > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
 > > > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
 > > > >
 > > > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
 > > > >
 > > > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
 > > > >
 > > > >Timmy missed me.
 > > > >
 > > > >Meow,
 > > > >Fluffy
 > > > >
 > Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow.

Please stop. Cease and desist. You are only making yourselves look silly.



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From: Stephen Boursy <boursy@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/10/02
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Hemmoroid wrote:
> 
> The Evil Human Resources Director wrote:
> >
> > boursy wrote:
> > >
> > > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >Meow!
> > > >
> > >
> > >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> > > as well???
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is none.


  That should be rectified.  world.std.com is more than
happy to host any web page which they agree with--of course
if they disagree they'll pull your plug and take your private
email.

> > 
> > > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> > > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> > > >
> > > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> > > >
> > > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> > > >
> > > >Timmy missed me.
> > > >
> > > >Meow,
> > > >Fluffy
> > > >
>
> Meow Meow Henrietta Pussycat President of the United States Meow.

   
   I would vote for Henrietta for a number of different things
that come to mind.  She's over in soc.culture.russian so be
sure to include comments about the censor to that group.

   Shakespeare the cat says hello.

                       Steve
                       news.admin.censorship



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From: Jacques Bonhomme <bonhomme@narnia.cwru.edu>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/10/06
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boursy wrote:
> 
> gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> >
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >Meow!
> >
> 
>         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> as well???
> 
>                         Steve
>                         news.admin.censorship
> 
> >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> >
> >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> >
> >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> >
> >Timmy missed me.
> >
> >Meow,
> >Fluffy
> >

Where can i find a MEOW web page?



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From: Ulf-Robert Hakanson <fenris@onramp.net>
Subject: Re: MEOW Web Page???   I WILL MEOW IN TUNE TO THE USENET CABAL CABARET!!!
Date: 1996/10/06
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Jacques Bonhomme wrote:
> 
> boursy wrote:
> >
> > gruboursy@world.std.com wrote:
> > >
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >Meow!
> > >
> >
> >         Do you have a web page at world.std.com
> > as well???
> >
> >                         Steve
> >                         news.admin.censorship
> >
> > >Hiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
> > >Sssnnnnaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllll.
> > >
> > >Wuff! Wuff! Arf!
> > >
> > >And a Honk Honk for Chico, Buh Buh Ray and Travellina!
> > >
> > >Timmy missed me.
> > >
> > >Meow,
> > >Fluffy
> > >
> 
> Where can i find a MEOW web page?

m30ww



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From: boursy@ibm.net
Subject: Re: New, improved, ne.general.selected
Date: 1996/10/13
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John R Levine wrote:
> 
> Since the ne.general.selected, as originally conceived, appears to be a
> complete failure, I've rewritten the robot so it works somewhat differently.
> 
> Now, anything posted to ne.general which meets the ne.general.selected
> criteria (no crossposts, kill list of annoying topics and authors) will
> be mirrored to ne.general.selected.  


  In other words your censored group failed and now you are reposting--
without a users permission--anything posted to ne.general to ne.general.
selected which is moderated and one has no right of response.  That
really is outrageous--you forward anothers post to a censored group that
they had no intention of posting to and than modify their right to reply
in that group.  

  In response I'll be forwarding all posts exclusing to ne.general.selected
to the groups of my choice--alt.revisionism, alt.pedophiles, etc.

                               Steve
                               news.admin.censorship


Anything posted to ne.general.selected
> through the moderation address will be posted both to ne.general and
> ne.general.selected.
> 
> This means that now ne.general.selected will have the same contents as
> ne.general, minus the garbage.  Take a look.  It may take a day or so to
> catch up with ne.general, but I'll try and keep the two in sync within a
> few hours.
> 
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Trumansburg NY
> Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies"
> and Information Superhighwayman wanna-be



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From: terry@eskimo.com (Junglee)
Subject: SPAM for 1-900 number Net Abuse
Date: 1996/10/16
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Can those in the net abuse newsgroups please help us with someone who
is using the Internet for advertising a 1-900 number? I know that many
reputable magazines will not run advertisements for 900 numbers, and I
certainly know that ANY type of advertisement for money, even for a
non-profit organization is considered completely unethical. 

How can we get rid of this unethical spam? This person also includes
numerous newsgroups in one post while advertising for his wares - in
my opinion this is not Velveeta but out and out SPAM. 

Please advise. 



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: poor stevie spordon, once a forger, always a forger
Date: 1996/10/22
Message-ID: <326ceba4.129709582@nntp.netcruiser>#1/1
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kkelly1@nntp.best.com (Kevin Kelly) wrote:

: Legion (legion@dimensional.com) wrote:
: : In article <326c3f9f.85669666@nntp.netcruiser>,
: : james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: : >legion@dimensional.com (Legion) wrote:
: : >
: [...]
: 
: : >: >wow. what's next? are you going to post about how he trims
: : >: >his toenails?
: : >: >
: : >: >you're becomming increasingly ob e s  e, earl.
: : >: 
: : >: your sick predjudice only makes you look worse than you already did, imo.
: : >
: : >did you get confused, little stevie? maybe that's what
: : >happens when you get kicked off the net for forging, eh?
: 
: : Won't your cabal of ass-kissing cronies lose respect for you when you
: : continue to make unproven accusations?
: 
: Poor legion, you kept your forgery in the same post you claimed it was
: unproven. 

he's just a sick kiddie, imo. the poor thing forges
compulsively, it appears, and now has a sysadmin who seems
to endorse it.





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From: David Blake <dblake@phy.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Re: Cross-posting Is Getting Out Of Hand
Date: 1996/10/22
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Blaine D. Bauer wrote:
> 
> Notice this is being sent to rec-bicycles.off-road only. Two threads,
> originally started by our famous Mike Vandeman, have gotten way out of
> hand:
> 
> 1. Death Threat for Opposing Mountain Biking
> 2. Mountain Bikers Arrested in Grand Canyon
> 

It should be pointed out that cross-posting is poor netiquette, 
and if it is done repeatedly should be reported first to the
individual, and then to his postmaster. I have confronted Mikey
with this in the past, and his cross-posting immediately
shrank to about 2 newsgroups instead of 5.

The bottom line is, I (and anyone else that cares about this 
group) should complain the next time a massively cross-posted
thread from a known cross-posting abuser gets posted here. I 
have warned him before.

-- 
Dave Blake
dblake@phy.ucsf.edu
http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/~dblake



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From: jkeegan@ix.netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: renegade user??
Date: 1996/10/22
Message-ID: <326d1bc0.142025952@nntp.netcruiser>#1/1
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kkelly1@nntp.best.com (Kevin Kelly) wrote:

: Legion (legion@dimensional.com) wrote:
: : >Poor legion, you kept your forgery in the same post you claimed it was
: : >unproven. Yet another alt.flame dweeb demonstrates how vacous the group is
: : >for anything approaching talent.
: 
: : Looks like you share the same reading comprehension problems as Kerro.
: 
: Uh no it looks like you are a talentless wanker who thinks forgery is an
: amusing sideline when not posting what appears to be address information
: and telephone information about Keegan. Does your ISP support this
: practice?

the net knows about legion (little stevie spordon).

one hopes that his forgeries and posting antics won't
destroy another sysadmin and system as they did at nyx.

what it all comes doen to is this, people like little
stevie will be the cause of more regulation of isp's not
unlike the case shown below:
from the detroit news, cyberia

===begin quote
Ground-breaking order ends on-line threats

By Melissa Williams

Associated Press

DALLAS - When someone began declaring on the Internet that
Teresa Maynard was unfaithful to her husband and had her
breasts enlarged, the couple got angry.

Anger turned to fear when the on-line writer added: "By
the way, I have a .45 too."

A judge this week issued a temporary restraining order
that breaks new ground in barring someone from using the
Internet to transmit certain types of speech.

It also was unusual for the way it was served - on the
Internet.

District Judge Joe B. Brown ordered Kevin Massey to stop
transmitting via the Internet "embarrassing private
information concerning the Maynards."

Massey also was prohibited from coming within 500 yards of
Robert and Teresa Maynard's home or business. The Maynards
own a Dallas-based Internet service provider called
Internet America.

Massey, a computer consultant, said he made the
intemperate postings after being frustrated in dealings
with the company. But he "wholeheartedly" disputes there
was anything threatening about the messages. He claims he
was just using the kind of sarcastic language common on
the Internet.

Robert Maynard said he and his wife and company have been
harassed since September. "His first round out of the gate
was to accuse my wife of sleeping with our employees like
it was some kind of corporate benefit," Maynard said.

Maynard said he is pursuing a civil case against Massey to
deter other would-be harassers.
  
Kenneth Biermacher, attorney for the Maynards, said when
the postings turned to threats, Massey crossed the line of
free speech.

"This speech is not protected by the First Amendment," he 
said.
===end quote



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From: Bill Robicheaux <robi@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Ari learns more about forgery
Date: 1996/05/20
Message-ID: <4noe6s$286@news1.halcyon.com>#1/1
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jkahila@world.std.com (John Kahila) wrote:
>seattle.general, news.admin.net-abuse.misc and alt.usenet.kooks added
>to Newsgroups:, followups set to alt.usenet.kooks.

[added halcyon.general,seattle.admin]

>
>On Sun, 19 May 1996 03:02:49 GMT, anon@halcyon.com (White Lotus) wrote
>in alt.support.ex-cult:
>
>>Path: world!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.accessone.com!news
>...................................^^^^^^^^^
>>From: anon@halcyon.com (White Lotus)
>............^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.meditation,alt.support.ex-cult
>>Subject: Legal Contacts For Jim Williams
>>Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 03:02:49 GMT
>>Organization: True Lotus Support Network
>>Lines: 42
>>Message-ID: <319e8da0.35267783@news.accessone.com>
>.....................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Reply-To: anon@halcyon.com
>................^^^^^^^^^^^
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: annex4-32.accessone.com
>..............................^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227
>
><long whine about contacting the AUTHORITIES deleted>
>
>Now Ari is forging addresses that contain his/her/their/its former
>provider's name.
>
>Is this a stab at getting halcyon into trouble because they cancelled
>the Ari account for net.abuse -- but then presumably made the mistake
>of being civilized enough to forward email for a short time afterward?
>Is it a litigation fantasy?  Is it cluelessness?  Who knows?
>
>Perhaps it is time for Ari to get the attention he/she/they/it craves.
>A copy of this post is separately emailed to halcyon, as well as to
>seanet and accessone (current unwitting hosts for Ari's abuse).
>
>>This matter will be handled through the Legal system and not on this
>>Usenet. I just wanted others to be aware in case they are being
>>harassed by these people. 
>
>How very droll.  Anyone who does a news search on anon@halcyon.com,
>anon@coho.halcyon.com, ari@speakeasy.org and some of your other
>aliases will be able to decide for themselves who the harasser is.
[snip]
>john k
>
Add to that list (and check all headers for confirmation):

truelotus@seanet.com
whitelotus@coolone.com
gurubuster@aol.com
lotus@lotus.com
bitter@bitter.com
sophia@sophia.com
repost@repost.org
forgery@forgery.com
toxic@kathy.com
sophiaexsd@aol.com
jyoti9@ix.netcom.com
XYZS27A@prodigy.com
redhead@phoney.com
wlotus@ix.netcom.com
tlotus@eskimo.com
dkl@halcyon.com
freddy@speakeasy.org

(This list grows daily.  Could be a new record.)

-- 
_________________________________________________________________

 "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action."   - Goethe
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From: Friday <friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/20
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In article <4no5it$168_012@keegan.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> In article <832511860snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
> : In article <4nn1m1$2j4_002@keegan.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > In article <832454628snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
> :  wrote:
> : > : In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
> : > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : > : 
> : > : > In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
> : > :  wrote:
> : > : > : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
> : > : > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : > : > : 
> : > : > : *shazam!*
> : > : > : 
> : > : > : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
> : > : > : 
> : > : > : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
> : > : > 
> : > : > did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
> : > : > still on my back waving my legs in the air.
> : > : 
> : > : It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement"
> : > 
> : > thanks for confirming that demon management not only 
> : > encourages forgery but posts it.
> : 
> : I did no such thing. 
> 
> your after-the-fact denials don't change your remarks 
> which are still included above.

*sigh*  Someone pass the Vapona.  I've a bug to de.

-- 
Statisticians do it with n-1 degrees of freedom.



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From: robi@halcyon.com (Bill Robicheaux)
Subject: Re: Ari learns more about forgery
Date: 1996/05/20
Message-ID: <4npgf1$mge@news1.halcyon.com>#1/1
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Please note: 1) I am not the author of the subject title.

             2) The previous article was cancelled by myself
                because I did not set the Follow-Up properly.


Bill Robicheaux <robi@halcyon.com> wrote:

>jkahila@world.std.com (John Kahila) wrote:
>>seattle.general, news.admin.net-abuse.misc and alt.usenet.kooks added
>>to Newsgroups:, followups set to alt.usenet.kooks.

>[added halcyon.general,seattle.admin]

>>
>>On Sun, 19 May 1996 03:02:49 GMT, anon@halcyon.com (White Lotus) wrote
>>in alt.support.ex-cult:
>>
>>>Path: world!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.accessone.com!news
>>...................................^^^^^^^^^
>>>From: anon@halcyon.com (White Lotus)
>>............^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.meditation,alt.support.ex-cult
>>>Subject: Legal Contacts For Jim Williams
>>>Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 03:02:49 GMT
>>>Organization: True Lotus Support Network
>>>Lines: 42
>>>Message-ID: <319e8da0.35267783@news.accessone.com>
>>.....................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Reply-To: anon@halcyon.com
>>................^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: annex4-32.accessone.com
>>..............................^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227
>>
>><long whine about contacting the AUTHORITIES deleted>
>>
>>Now Ari is forging addresses that contain his/her/their/its former
>>provider's name.
>>
>>Is this a stab at getting halcyon into trouble because they cancelled
>>the Ari account for net.abuse -- but then presumably made the mistake
>>of being civilized enough to forward email for a short time afterward?
>>Is it a litigation fantasy?  Is it cluelessness?  Who knows?
>>
>>Perhaps it is time for Ari to get the attention he/she/they/it craves.
>>A copy of this post is separately emailed to halcyon, as well as to
>>seanet and accessone (current unwitting hosts for Ari's abuse).
>>
>>>This matter will be handled through the Legal system and not on this
>>>Usenet. I just wanted others to be aware in case they are being
>>>harassed by these people. 
>>
>>How very droll.  Anyone who does a news search on anon@halcyon.com,
>>anon@coho.halcyon.com, ari@speakeasy.org and some of your other
>>aliases will be able to decide for themselves who the harasser is.
>[snip]
>>john k
>>
>Add to that list (and check all headers for confirmation):

>truelotus@seanet.com
>whitelotus@coolone.com
>gurubuster@aol.com
>lotus@lotus.com
>bitter@bitter.com
>sophia@sophia.com
>repost@repost.org
>forgery@forgery.com
>toxic@kathy.com
>sophiaexsd@aol.com
>jyoti9@ix.netcom.com
>XYZS27A@prodigy.com
>redhead@phoney.com
>wlotus@ix.netcom.com
>tlotus@eskimo.com
>dkl@halcyon.com
>freddy@speakeasy.org

>(This list grows daily.  Could be a new record.)

>-- 
>_________________________________________________________________

> "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action."   - Goethe
> Egeaux   <robi@halcyon.com>   [ http://www.halcyon.com/robi/ ]
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From: root@greyfox.org (Bruce Ide)
Subject: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
Message-ID: <832946339.509096@greyfox>#1/1
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organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net
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Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
the net.

------------------------------*SNIP*

(see warning to harassers at
  the end of this message)


                                NEW BULK EMAIL PROGRAM!
                          <<<<<<<<LIGHTNING BOLT V 2.0>>>>>>>>
                          MADE EASY FOR "ANYONE" TO LOAD & USE!
                       Will Strip Email Addresses, Filter and Send!!
                          Call 1-800-351-8085 For More Information

                                  NOW FOR PC OR MAC!!

This is a very SIMPLE to use UNIX SHELL/C PROGRAM. The program is designed
to run directly off your internet servers computer (shell account).  This
program is designed for simplicity of use for ANYONE to use.  Once the
programs are loaded on to the Shell Account, you can log off and let the
ISP's computer complete the job!  This is NOT a PPP connection like
FLOODGATE or EUDORA or FREEDOM where your computer PPP connection is
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PROGRAMS WRITTEN BY A CERTIFIED UNIX SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR.

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- SEARCHES AND STRIPS EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM THE 'NET!
- FILTERS OUT DUPLICATE ADDRESSES AND DOMAINS "YOU" CHOOSE.
LIGHTNING BOLT v2.0 will run continuously 24 hours a day.  Your provider
will NOT know that it is operating on his computer.
- LIGHTNING BOLT v2.0  ***AUTOMATICALLY sends ALL your email***.
There is NO LIMIT on the capacity!

*******************************************************************************
BIG BENEFIT: (You DO NOT have to stay Logged On!) Once you execute this
program it runs AUTONOMOUSLY on your ISP's COMPUTER!  NO TEDIOUS TIME OUTS,
TIME CONSUMING SYSTEM CONFIGURATIONS OR COPYING AND PASTING!
*******************************************************************************

The entire process is so simplified, that even a beginner can IMMEDIATELY
use these programs.

The cost of both programs cost $249.00 including clearly written easy to
follow instructions.

FREE OFFER:

ORDER NOW AND RECEIVE 150,000 "FRESH" EMAIL ADDRESSES TO START YOUR
ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.
All Free email addresses are .com, .net, .org.  No gov.or edu., unless
otherwise specified

For Ordering Information Please Call:

Eunuchs. Etc.
1-800-351-8085
Call the 800# ONLY ... we do not reply by email.
We'll Be Happy to DIRECTLY Answer Any Questions!

PLEASE ALLOW 7 DAYS FOR DELIVERY ... INDICATE PC OR MAC FORMAT

Best Success,

Eunuchs, Etc.
5901 J. Wyoming Blvd. NE Suite 284
Albuquerque, NM  87109


WARNING

We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus information
will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!

-------------------------------------*SNIP*

-- 
-----------------------------------
Bruce Ide     greyfox@gate.net, greyfox@vnet.net, or root@greyfox.org
http://www.greyfox.org



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From: jsailing@netone.netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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In article <832946339.509096@greyfox>, Bruce Ide <root@greyfox.org> wrote:
>Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
>the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
>who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
>the net.

I got that one as well.  Methinks they probably hit damn near
everyone on asr with it.  Something about sending it to the
very people who wouldn't be keen on spam that leaps right
over my boundaries of graspable rationale.

Jasmine Sailing		Cyber-Psychos AOD	jsailing@netonecom.net
**********************************************************************
Please disregard my temporary psychosis as I am having PMS, my
baby is teething, and I haven't even seen anyone castrated with
a claymore lately.  Life is sooooo rough, man!  <weep, snarl, glare>



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From: maney@stdio.com (Fredrich P. Maney)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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Jasmine Sailing (jsailing@netone.netonecom.net) wrote:
: In article <832946339.509096@greyfox>, Bruce Ide <root@greyfox.org> wrote:
: >Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
: >the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
: >who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
: >the net.

: I got that one as well.  Methinks they probably hit damn near
: everyone on asr with it.  Something about sending it to the
: very people who wouldn't be keen on spam that leaps right
: over my boundaries of graspable rationale.

: Jasmine Sailing		Cyber-Psychos AOD	jsailing@netonecom.net
: **********************************************************************
: Please disregard my temporary psychosis as I am having PMS, my
: baby is teething, and I haven't even seen anyone castrated with
: a claymore lately.  Life is sooooo rough, man!  <weep, snarl, glare>


Since you didn't include it I can only guess it was about
"Lightning Bolt v2.0" that was sent out by  exd78295@interramp.com
with that nasty little warning on the bottom about how they would
release our email, phone, address and other pertinent information.
oh my, whatever shall we do? how can we possibly fight back against
these abusers of the net, these epitomes of lusers?

fpsm

-- 
| maney@stdio.com   : "May death find you, and lead you through       |
|                   : the gates of existence, with as much compassion |
|                   : and gentleness as you deserve." -fpsm           |



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From: cantrick@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray))
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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In article <4o50s3$22s@heathers.stdio.com>,
Fredrich P. Maney <maney@stdio.com> wrote:
>
>Since you didn't include it I can only guess it was about
>"Lightning Bolt v2.0" that was sent out by  exd78295@interramp.com
>with that nasty little warning on the bottom about how they would
>release our email, phone, address and other pertinent information.
>oh my, whatever shall we do? how can we possibly fight back against
>these abusers of the net, these epitomes of lusers?

  Personally, I walked across the street to a pay-phone and called
Slayed-ton's number. Then I recited the French Taunt from MP & THG.[1]

  I wonder if his perfect ANI[3] (buahahaha!) will be able to track me. ;]

  I think someone will snap lil' Jeffy back sooner or later. But we won't
expect it.[4]

          -Ben
-----
[1] I have it memorized.[2]
[2] Doesn't everyone?
[3] I bet Slaton doesn't even know what ANI stands for, the dork. If
he had half a brain, he would have said CNA, which is more useful anyway.
[4] After all, NOBODY expects the USENET Inquisition![5]
[5] Our main weapons are our LARTs. And our /<-r4d 3lite haquer friends.
     D'oh, I mean![6]
[6] Our main weapons are our LARTs, and our /<-r4d 3lite haquer friends...
     And our willingnes and ability to make Jeffy's UNIX life a living
     hell. D'oh! I mean...[7]
[7] Our main weapons are our LARTS, our /<-r4d 3lite haquer friends, our
     willingness and ability to make Jeffy's UNIX life a living hell and...
-- 
     "BGC: Because some of us believe women over 14 are still sexy." 
=---------     http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~cantrick/home.html     -------------=
*Ben Cantrick, diehard BGC otaku and Priss fan.  ---> THE BGC DUBS SUCK! <---*
*Why Mac? "When I want to spend 50% of my time fighting an OS, I'll use VMS."*



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From: jim@aob.mn.org (Jim Anderson)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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In article <4o4mum$9rs@netone.netonecom.net>,
Jasmine Sailing <jsailing@netone.netonecom.net> wrote:
>In article <832946339.509096@greyfox>, Bruce Ide <root@greyfox.org> wrote:
>>Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
>>the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
>>who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
>>the net.
>
>I got that one as well.  Methinks they probably hit damn near
>everyone on asr with it.  Something about sending it to the
>very people who wouldn't be keen on spam that leaps right
>over my boundaries of graspable rationale.

Just remember that ANI's on payphones aren't real useful.  Payphones also
don't (usually) charge for 1-800 calls, so have at it.

That's an idea!  Keep a list of the 800 numbers for the spammers, and
whenever you pass by a payphone, ring 'em up and LART them for spamming
the Internet.
-- 
Jim Anderson			(612) 782-0456
AOB Acquisition Corp.		jim@aob.mn.org
3800 Apache Lane NE		Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try men's souls.
St Anthony, MN  55421



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From: HighTech <HighTech@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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>WARNING
>
>We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus >information
>will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
>available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
>have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!

>Eunuchs. Etc.
>1-800-351-8085
>5901 J. Wyoming Blvd. NE Suite 284
>Albuquerque, NM  8710

I'm willing to bet you this guy just sealed his fate....business wise 
anyway.




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From: jhavok@lava.net (James R. Olson, jr.)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
Message-ID: <4o55kb$9eu@mochi.lava.net>#1/1
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root@greyfox.org (Bruce Ide) wrote:

->Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
->the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
->who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
->the net.

->------------------------------*SNIP*


->                                NEW BULK EMAIL PROGRAM!
->                          <<<<<<<<LIGHTNING BOLT V 2.0>>>>>>>>
->                          MADE EASY FOR "ANYONE" TO LOAD & USE!
->                       Will Strip Email Addresses, Filter and Send!!
->                          Call 1-800-351-8085 For More Information

->Eunuchs, Etc.
->5901 J. Wyoming Blvd. NE Suite 284
->Albuquerque, NM  87109

->We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus information
->will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
->available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
->have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!

Anyone in Albuquerque who wants to put a hurt on this guy?  Just send
a large, brightly wrapped package to the maildrop, then wait around
and see who picks it up.  There's your target!

(For informational purposes only.)

	JimmyO

   
   Help to launch the future from
http://www.apollo-society.org/apollo
       The Apollo Launch Pad




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From: traveler@empire.net (Ned Brickley)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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On 24 May 1996 14:58:11 -0400, maney@stdio.com (Fredrich P. Maney)
wrote:

>Jasmine Sailing (jsailing@netone.netonecom.net) wrote:
>: In article <832946339.509096@greyfox>, Bruce Ide <root@greyfox.org> wrote:
>: >Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
>: >the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
>: >who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
>: >the net.
>
>: I got that one as well.  Methinks they probably hit damn near
>: everyone on asr with it.  Something about sending it to the
>: very people who wouldn't be keen on spam that leaps right
>: over my boundaries of graspable rationale.
>
>: Jasmine Sailing		Cyber-Psychos AOD	jsailing@netonecom.net
>
>Since you didn't include it I can only guess it was about
>"Lightning Bolt v2.0" that was sent out by  exd78295@interramp.com
>with that nasty little warning on the bottom about how they would
>release our email, phone, address and other pertinent information.
>oh my, whatever shall we do? how can we possibly fight back against
>these abusers of the net, these epitomes of lusers?


Might I suggest homicide? how about dropping a porcupine down their
pants??


          ***It has been determined that you can get far more*** 
      ***cooperation from a luser using a kind word and a 2X4*** 
                        ***then with a kind word alone***



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From: megadeth@nyongwa.montreal.qc.ca (Martin Miller)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/24
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Bruce Ide (root@greyfox.org) wrote:
: Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
: the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
: who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
: the net.
: 
: ------------------------------*SNIP*
: 
: (see warning to harassers at
:   the end of this message)
: 
: 
:                                 NEW BULK EMAIL PROGRAM!
:                           <<<<<<<<LIGHTNING BOLT V 2.0>>>>>>>>
:                           MADE EASY FOR "ANYONE" TO LOAD & USE!
:                        Will Strip Email Addresses, Filter and Send!!
:                           Call 1-800-351-8085 For More Information
: The cost of both programs cost $249.00 including clearly written easy to
: follow instructions.
: 
: WARNING
: 
: We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus information
: will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
: available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
: have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!
: 

Yeah, I receive this me too. What a sucker! 250$ !! I think that we can call
his 1-800 from a public fone, or another fone (at your office, school,...)

So what, how about a mail bomb to this sucker? His stupidity will kill the
net...

megadeth@nyongwa.montreal.qc.ca



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From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein)
Subject: umm, before we waste this guy, was: Re: New Way to Spam The Net!
Date: 1996/05/25
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Isn't it possible that someone is sending this (how to spam) msg out 
under a fake ID hoping that we'll mess up someone else's 800 nunber?

Kind of like the "for a good time, call Zelda at <phone number of someone 
you despise>" stickers often placed in, ahem, appropriate places?

<lightning 2 spam message snipped>

<nothing new below>


>>WARNING
>>
>>We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus >information
>>will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
>>available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
>>have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!

>>Eunuchs. Etc.
>>1-800-351-8085
>>5901 J. Wyoming Blvd. NE Suite 284
>>Albuquerque, NM  8710

-- 
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 



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From: hucka@eecs.umich.edu (Michael Hucka)
Subject: Re: umm, before we waste this guy, was: Re: New Way to Spam The Net!
Date: 1996/05/25
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>>>>> On 25 May 1996, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote:

  dannyb> Isn't it possible that someone is sending this (how to spam) msg
  dannyb> out under a fake ID hoping that we'll mess up someone else's 800
  dannyb> nunber?

  dannyb> Kind of like the "for a good time, call Zelda at <phone number of
  dannyb> someone you despise>" stickers often placed in, ahem, appropriate
  dannyb> places?

Apparently the number is for real; see the previous discussions about this
subject in alt.2600 (and probably news.admin.net-abuse too).
-- 
Mike Hucka        hucka@umich.edu        http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/hucka
   Ph.D. Candidate, University of Michigan Computer Science & Engineering
      and Programmer Analyst, EECS Departmental Computing Organization



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From: Derek Balling <dredd@megacity.mixi.net>
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/25
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Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray) wrote:

>   I wonder if his perfect ANI[3] (buahahaha!) will be able to track me. ;]


> [3] I bet Slaton doesn't even know what ANI stands for, the dork. If
> he had half a brain, he would have said CNA, which is more useful anyway.

Even better... Call the AIN Center, find out the translate-to for his
number, THEN get CNA (getting CNA for an 800# itself is usually more
difficult THIS I know from my current day job @ GTE), THEN .. THEN you
visit him. (Of course, ONLY do this if you are genuinely interested in
purchasing a copy of the program he's selling, I would never endorse
spending US$ 0.75 on a .308 hollowpoint to rid ourselves of one more
luser from a comfortably safe distance. :)

Derek
Who can see ads now in Soldier of Fortune magazine requesting a hitman
for one luser in the Southwest US. 

-- 
=======================================================================
Derek J. Balling          |  "Every man dies... but not every man
dredd@megacity.mixi.net   |   really lives..." 
http://megacity.mixi.net/ |                   - Mel Gibson, Braveheart
=======================================================================
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      2 hours Microsoft Network (MSN) may purchase the rights to resell 
      this message to their customers for $15,000 US. All others 
      granted use free-of-charge.                               (C)1996
=======================================================================



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From: ccooney1@site.gmu.edu (Christopher M Cooney (CS))
Subject: Re: umm, before we waste this guy, was: Re: New Way to Spam The Net!
Date: 1996/05/25
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danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote:

: Isn't it possible that someone is sending this (how to spam) msg out 
: under a fake ID hoping that we'll mess up someone else's 800 nunber?

: Kind of like the "for a good time, call Zelda at <phone number of someone 
: you despise>" stickers often placed in, ahem, appropriate places?

well, i called 800 info and they have no listing
for Eunuchs etc. You may have something



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From: Tim O'Neil <mich@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/26
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Derek Balling wrote:
> Even better... Call the AIN Center, find out the translate-to for his
> number, THEN get CNA (getting CNA for an 800# itself is usually more
> difficult THIS I know from my current day job @ GTE), THEN .. THEN you
> visit him. (Of course, ONLY do this if you are genuinely interested in
> purchasing a copy of the program he's selling, I would never endorse
> spending US$ 0.75 on a .308 hollowpoint to rid ourselves of one more
> luser from a comfortably safe distance. :)

I think spamming him back would be sufficient. I'm curious Derek, why did
you spell 'luser' that way? (I know an amusing aside concerning that
spelling).
-Tim



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From: neater@ahbqs.com (Anita)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/26
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root@greyfox.org (Bruce Ide) wrote:
>Hey everyone! Look what I got in the mail today! A new way to spam
>the net! And check out the happy warning at the bottom for anyone
>who might harrass him for providing this lovely new way to spam
>the net.

You know, it would be great if someone would publish one or more of
these fine programs in alt.binaries.warez.etc...
Sent Via After Hourz Online - Your Complete Online Source in Idaho...
Telnet: ahbqs.com    WWW: www.ahbqs.com     Dial-in: (208)345-6121  



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From: Iridium@LEO.com (Iridium)
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Date: 1996/05/26
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On 25 May 1996 22:35:12 GMT, ccooney1@site.gmu.edu (Christopher M
Cooney (CS)) wrote:

>danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote:
>
>: Isn't it possible that someone is sending this (how to spam) msg out 
>: under a fake ID hoping that we'll mess up someone else's 800 nunber?
>
>: Kind of like the "for a good time, call Zelda at <phone number of someone 
>: you despise>" stickers often placed in, ahem, appropriate places?
>
>well, i called 800 info and they have no listing
>for Eunuchs etc. You may have something

That's because he keeps changing the name.

When you call the 800 number you will realize they are for real and
are bad news.

Even if the spam was done by someone else, you don't want the program
being sold on the 800 number to be used.  It is a program for nothing
other than scouring Usenet and then spamming all the email addresses
it found.

Check this out: http://com.primenet.com/spamking/ to see how infamous
this guy has become.



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From: medwards@onramp.net (Mark Edwards)
Subject: Re: umm, before we waste this guy, was: Re: New Way to Spam The Net!
Date: 1996/05/26
Message-ID: <4oaee4$l69@nntp.onramp.net>#1/1
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Iridium@LEO.com (Iridium) wrote:

[Lightning Bolt stuff snipped]

>When you call the 800 number you will realize they are for real and
>are bad news.


Well, gee [1]. What's to keep people from gathering up 30 or 40 buddies and
hitting all the payphones in town, dialing in, leaving the phone off the
hook after connection, then going to another payphone. Seems this could
rack up large toll costs for the Eunuchs, and attach a 'denial of service'
attack to those who would use the software.

Of course, I would never advocate doing this, but it seems like someone
might do this and cause <more> trouble [2] for the eunuchs than they
already have.

[1] Yeah, I guess I really do talk like this. I'm so ashamed.

[2] Besides the already obvious brain damage [3]

[3] This assumes a brain, unless they have learned some method to allow
neurons to flow in either a vacuum or through stone...



Mark Edwards                                 Arlington, Texas
--------------------------------------------------------------
It can be hard to say this, but some users of the Internet are
unable to do things because they are stupid.
                                                 -Ned Brickley
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From: kludge@netcom.com (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/26
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In article <31A76477.3E830BA3@megacity.mixi.net> Derek Balling <dredd@megacity.mixi.net> writes:
>Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray) wrote:
>
>>   I wonder if his perfect ANI[3] (buahahaha!) will be able to track me. ;]
>
>
>> [3] I bet Slaton doesn't even know what ANI stands for, the dork. If
>> he had half a brain, he would have said CNA, which is more useful anyway.
>
>Even better... Call the AIN Center, find out the translate-to for his
>number, THEN get CNA (getting CNA for an 800# itself is usually more
>difficult THIS I know from my current day job @ GTE), THEN .. THEN you
>visit him. (Of course, ONLY do this if you are genuinely interested in
>purchasing a copy of the program he's selling, I would never endorse
>spending US$ 0.75 on a .308 hollowpoint to rid ourselves of one more
>luser from a comfortably safe distance. :)

He lives at 12550 Central Ave SW in Albuquerque.  If you actually do
get the translation, I will strongly suspect that it will lead you to
a commercial voicemail service which Jeff has hired out.  This has been
his MO in the past, and he currently owes $3000 to his former voicemail
provider which is not very pleased about the matter.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."



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In article <4o81v0$7tf@portal.gmu.edu>,
Christopher M Cooney (CS) <ccooney1@site.gmu.edu> wrote:
>danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote:
>
>: Isn't it possible that someone is sending this (how to spam) msg out 
>: under a fake ID hoping that we'll mess up someone else's 800 nunber?
>
>: Kind of like the "for a good time, call Zelda at <phone number of someone 
>: you despise>" stickers often placed in, ahem, appropriate places?
>
>well, i called 800 info and they have no listing
>for Eunuchs etc. You may have something


I called the number and got Eunuchs blah, geeks blah attitude blah.  Please call them!!!!  They need the phone bill.






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From: goat@anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/27
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neater@ahbqs.com (Anita) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:

>You know, it would be great if someone would publish one or more of
>these fine programs in alt.binaries.warez.etc...

	this would be my preferred form of revenge on these guys, but
unfortunately their audience won't know how to do that.

GOAT


'I eat the living flesh...'

                                         goat@anus.com




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From: roadancer@hackerz.org
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/27
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In article <DrxEGr.Lnq@nyongwa.montreal.qc.ca>, megadeth@nyongwa.montreal.qc.ca 
(Martin Miller) writes:

>Bruce Ide (root@greyfox.org) wrote:
>: WARNING
>:
>: We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus information
>: will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
>: available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
>: have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!
>:
>
>Yeah, I receive this me too. What a sucker! 250$ !! I think that we can call
>his 1-800 from a public fone, or another fone (at your office, school,...)

 I have built a gadget that hooks to the phone lines and will dial a number, 
wait x seconds hang up and recycle. Wonder what would happen if it got attached
to a payphone with this clod's number? Figure each call costs him a buck... 


Roadancer



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From: drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT HOLDSWORTH)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/27
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In article <4obhfp$bf9@axsamer.org>, roadancer@hackerz.org writes:
:>
:>Yeah, I receive this me too. What a sucker! 250$ !! I think that we can call
:>his 1-800 from a public fone, or another fone (at your office, school,...)
:
: I have built a gadget that hooks to the phone lines and will dial a number, 
:wait x seconds hang up and recycle. Wonder what would happen if it got
:attached
:to a payphone with this clod's number? Figure each call costs him a buck... 

Pity he hasn't listed a fax number. 

The old fave for irritating faxes is to take a length of cheap computer output
paper, write your message on it at a rate of a couple of letters per sheet, 
and send it to him.

For extra bite, wait until the first few sheets have fed through, then attach
the front to the other end of the paper, so you have a closed loop. Then just
let it run for a while.

He'll get the message after the first few hundred sheet, depend on it...


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Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/27
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Tim O'Neil wrote:
> 
> Derek Balling wrote:
> > Even better... Call the AIN Center, find out the translate-to for his
> > number, THEN get CNA (getting CNA for an 800# itself is usually more
> > difficult THIS I know from my current day job @ GTE), THEN .. THEN you
> > visit him. (Of course, ONLY do this if you are genuinely interested in
> > purchasing a copy of the program he's selling, I would never endorse
> > spending US$ 0.75 on a .308 hollowpoint to rid ourselves of one more
> > luser from a comfortably safe distance. :)
> 
> I think spamming him back would be sufficient. I'm curious Derek, why did
> you spell 'luser' that way? (I know an amusing aside concerning that
> spelling).

That's the combination of a "loser" and a "user"... hence, luser. :)

-- 
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From: alan@doughnut.demon.co.uk (The Bellinghman)
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On 27 May 1996 13:21:34 +0100, drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT
HOLDSWORTH) wrote:

>Pity he hasn't listed a fax number. 
>
>The old fave for irritating faxes is to take a length of cheap computer output
>paper, write your message on it at a rate of a couple of letters per sheet, 
>and send it to him.
>
>For extra bite, wait until the first few sheets have fed through, then attach
>the front to the other end of the paper, so you have a closed loop. Then just
>let it run for a while.

Not forgetting to turn off the originating-fax-info to stop him faxing
you back.

Nope, you forgot. This is asr. What you really want to do is fire up
some fax software (it will generate cleaner images, transmits the
result faster, so wastes the far end quicker) and ... fax him your
uuencoded core dumps.

>He'll get the message after the first few hundred sheet, depend on it...

Probably not. <sigh>

Alan
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My favorite way is to go into Paintbrush, and make a COMPLETELY black
page. Now, fax this puppy to him about 10 times, and say goodbye to
his fax toner.

drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT HOLDSWORTH) wrote:

>
>The old fave for irritating faxes is to take a length of cheap computer output
>paper, write your message on it at a rate of a couple of letters per sheet, 
>and send it to him.
>
>For extra bite, wait until the first few sheets have fed through, then attach
>the front to the other end of the paper, so you have a closed loop. Then just
>let it run for a while.
>
>He'll get the message after the first few hundred sheet, depend on it...
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>     -//-//-_ 		
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From: john@bovine.ati.com (John Higdon)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/27
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In article <kludgeDs14uC.82F@netcom.com>, kludge@netcom.com (Scott Dorsey)
wrote:

> He lives at 12550 Central Ave SW in Albuquerque.  If you actually do
> get the translation, I will strongly suspect that it will lead you to
> a commercial voicemail service which Jeff has hired out. 

Not to be picky, but 800 numbers which receive realtime ANI don't usually
even have a translation: they are piped directly to the customer,
generally over a T1 circuit. At least that is the way all the ones I have
ever set up work. You would have to get the LD carrier's POP location, a
leased line circuit ID, and then get the confidential information
regarding terminus from the circuit vendor--which could be anyone.

Good luck.

-- 
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In article <4obhfp$bf9@axsamer.org>, roadancer@hackerz.org wrote:

> Figure each call costs him a buck... 

With bulk rates? I doubt if each call costs even ten cents.

-- 
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In article <4oc6oe$g29@osfb.aber.ac.uk>, drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT
HOLDSWORTH) wrote:

> The old fave for irritating faxes is to take a length of cheap computer output
> paper, write your message on it at a rate of a couple of letters per sheet, 
> and send it to him.
> 
> For extra bite, wait until the first few sheets have fed through, then attach
> the front to the other end of the paper, so you have a closed loop. Then just
> let it run for a while.

Unless, of course, the receiving end is a fax server (very common now)
with several gigabytes of storage available. One single keystroke wipes
out all of your effort, with nothing whatsoever to show for your long
distance charges.

Some idiot tried that with me once. Scarecely used a few megabytes. Two
mouse clicks, and all of his trash was gone. I'll bet he enjoyed the bill
for several hours worth of connect time, however.

-- 
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In article <4oaee4$l69@nntp.onramp.net>, medwards@onramp.net wrote:

> Well, gee [1]. What's to keep people from gathering up 30 or 40 buddies and
> hitting all the payphones in town, dialing in, leaving the phone off the
> hook after connection, then going to another payphone.

One thing that would stop them is something I do with some of my own 800
numbers: block calls from payphones. Along with ANI comes a class of
service indication. If it is a payphone, dump it to a recording and don't
supervise. No muss, no fuss, and no charge.

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In article <31aa3547.1816626@elvis.hooked.net>, none@none.com wrote:

> My favorite way is to go into Paintbrush, and make a COMPLETELY black
> page. Now, fax this puppy to him about 10 times, and say goodbye to
> his fax toner.

Won't have much effect on a fax server, though, will it? I know I would
never advertise a fax number that was connected directly to a conventional
fax machine for just that reason.

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In article <1996May24.192625.18741@aob.mn.org>, jim@aob.mn.org (Jim
Anderson) wrote:

> Just remember that ANI's on payphones aren't real useful.  Payphones also
> don't (usually) charge for 1-800 calls, so have at it.

Anyone getting realtime ANI can easily block calls from payphones.

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From: jstalen@phish.nether.net ()
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
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The Bellinghman (alan@doughnut.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On 27 May 1996 13:21:34 +0100, drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT
: HOLDSWORTH) wrote:

: >Pity he hasn't listed a fax number. 
: >
: >The old fave for irritating faxes is to take a length of cheap computer output
: >paper, write your message on it at a rate of a couple of letters per sheet, 
: >and send it to him.
: >
: >For extra bite, wait until the first few sheets have fed through, then attach
: >the front to the other end of the paper, so you have a closed loop. Then just
: >let it run for a while.

: Not forgetting to turn off the originating-fax-info to stop him faxing
: you back.

: Nope, you forgot. This is asr. What you really want to do is fire up
: some fax software (it will generate cleaner images, transmits the
: result faster, so wastes the far end quicker) and ... fax him your
: uuencoded core dumps.

: >He'll get the message after the first few hundred sheet, depend on it...

: Probably not. <sigh>

Create a totally black image and fax several copies with your trusty fax 
program...  If he has an old-fashioned thermal machine, it'll cause lots 
of heat damage.  If it's a plain-paper one, his ink will run out very 
fast.

--
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From: kelly.lebrock@utopia-tech.com (Kelly Lebrock)
Subject: Re: New Way to Spam The Net! Please shoot me now :-(
Date: 1996/05/29
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>WARNING 
> 
>We have perfect ANI.  Those who call to harrass or leave bogus information
>will have their names, addresses, phone numbers (and email address when
>available) posted to alt. 2600, phrack,crack and hack groups for ALL to
>have fun with.  Have a nice day;) WANK!
 
C00l!  I didn't know you hacker dudez on alt.2600 worked for Slaton.
 
						kelly



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On 28 May 1996 05:13:46 GMT, jstalen@phish.nether.net () wrote:

>Create a totally black image and fax several copies with your trusty fax 
>program...  If he has an old-fashioned thermal machine, it'll cause lots 
>of heat damage.  If it's a plain-paper one, his ink will run out very 
>fast.

Except on most (all?) of the newer machines, it won't accept a totally
black sheet. Now a CHECKERED or striped sheet, that will work. :=)

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izzere any fax ware that lets you send a closed loop fax? where, why
not...




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On Fri, 07 Jun 1996 18:15:29 GMT, in article #
<31b86600.36907434@news.inlink.com>, \_Zoom@*****.com (---) wrote:

>Hooray for Brady Tucker !!!!!!!!!!!!! 
>I wish all SysOp's were like this. 

ok... so you're obviously an idiot.  

>It's about time that the
>traditional old guard realized that the net (including news..) has
>changed. Thankfully it is turning from an amorphus academic / non
>profit / government based / semi socialist type of entity, into a
>capitalist / free enterprise / privately dominated one. 

this is true.  and as consumers, those of us who do not appreciate the
fact that some people will not participate in this medium in an
ethical and courteous manner can do something _very_ effective in
response to such idiots as the sysops above... we can refuse to use
their service!  when a market turns commercial, the best way to affect
the way that the vendors behave is to _hit them in the pocket_.

>There is
>nothing wrong with advertising on the net (yes, even in News). 

Yes there is... there are appropriate and inappropriate places to
advertise on the net.  Just as would not appreciate my tv shows or
radio shows interrupted by rouge pirate advertisements, I do not
appreciate my newsgroup space invaded by inappropriate trash either.  

>Wide
>spread commercial endeavors (spamming) should actually be encouraged.

no, they should be _discouraged_ by use of _+BOYCOTT+_

Someone a while back posted this "ANTI-SPAM PLEDGE".  I took the
"Anti- pam Pledge" and do not intend to do business with _any_ company
that uses either spamming or unsolicited e-mail as a method of
advertising.  When I recieve such I return this message to them and
put them on my "don't buy" list.

Amazing what consumer power can do.

============= Begin forwarded Message ==================
Subject:	Anti-Spam Pledge
From:	sag@hera.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Date:	26 Apr 1996 17:46:11 GMT

I'm developing the following as a suggested tool to use in
respond to obvious spamming. My idea is not to propagate
it by spamming but to let it spread gradually through the
Internet. The first group that I suggested it to thought
it was a great idea and some suggested the clarifications
I put below the pledge. I see it as a draft and welcome
any suggestions to improve/clarify it or to modify the
strategy of its use. For that reason, I suggest that it
not be spread outside this newsgroup until some time has
passed for such comments to be heard. (But, after that,
use it any way you want.)

The basic idea is that hundreds or thousands of people send
the identical message back to originators of spams. It's easy
and might make spammers think twice about doing it again.

I don't think the motivation behind the pledge needs to be
explained to anyone who spends time on the Internet.
-----------------------------------------------------
--Begin Pledge--
The ANTISPAM PLEDGE

I PLEDGE NOT TO PATRONIZE ANY BUSINESS THAT SENDS
UNSOLICITED EMAIL ADVERTISEMENTS OR THAT SPAMS
LISTS OR NEWSGROUPS WITH MATERIAL UNRELATED TO LISTS OR
NEWSGROUPS.

[This pledge is intended to be sent back as a reply
any time you see a spamming message. Please make sure
you send it only to the sender and not to the entire
group that received it. To the spammer: do you really
want to alienate all of us to this extent? If you didn't
know you were doing something wrong, an abject apology
might partially restore your good will.

To the unitiated: to spam is to send messages, usually
commercial, to many recipients, usually through lists
or newsgroups, that have no relevance whatsoever to
the subject matter of the list/newsgroup. The worst
spams are not multiplexed, i.e., they are posted
separately to many newsgroups, which means that
they often appear many times even if they are read.
Spamming is a major contributor to Internet pollution.]
--End Pledge--
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Steve Goldfield           :-{  {-:         sag@coe.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
"There is no limit to the capacity of humans for self-deception"


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sincerely,
Catherine Deville

please note... cdeville@ix.netcom.com is also CatDeville@aol.com

For Faster responses:
if you are replying by e-mail, please send to cdeville@ix.netcom.com 
and preface mail with PERSONAL: if Private e-mail
and PUBLIC: if cc'd to e-mail and posted.

The fact that my opinions are my own 
and not anyone else's should be a given.




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From: jmrubin@ix.netcom.com (Joel Rubin)
Subject: Re: $$$EASY$$$MONEY$$$--MMF from INNET.COM
Date: 1996/07/03
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[Forwarded to postmaster@innet.com]

Yet another pyramid scam for the cancelbots. Probably also a bunch of other 
posts.

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From: MONTY@PYTHON.COM (eric idle)
Newsgroups: alt.alumni.bronx-science
Subject: $$$EASY$$$MONEY$$$
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 07:45:04 GMT
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Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take 
two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make 
some serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready 
to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those 
bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass 
of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this 
interesting, exciting find!
   Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right! 
I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those 
schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope 
stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I 
have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the 
past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking 
to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try 
anything for money!').  Well,  when I was a teenager,  these 
claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell 
out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95 
there.  I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I 
was desperate for money!!  So, I gave them all a chance but
failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, 
[snip]
******************************************************************
******************************************************************* 
THE NAMES LIST       THE NAMES LIST      THE NAME LIST
*******************************************************************
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* 
*     HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!! 
* 
 
 
 
 1.  Scott Melanson 
      1103 Sussex Dr. 
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 2.   Xavier R. Heywood 
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       Brentwood NY 11717-5613 
 
 3.   Michele Kessler 
       822 E. Park Dr. 
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From: John Creasey <creasey@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MAKE MONEY NOW
Date: 1996/07/15
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Joe Orchard <jman@valleynet.com> wrote:
>This is not one of those "Get Rich Quick Scheme" or "mail-order
>
> Schemes".  But enough to pay off your death and whose knows, you could
>
> be test drive the new Mercedes in the next three months. If you too
>
> eager to read what this about then go right to the Instruction section
>
> bottom of this article.
>
> READ ON.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take
>
> two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make


Oh, yes it is--and it isn't even original. A copy of this is going to 
your postmaster. MORE incarnations of "Make Money Fast" we DON'T need.

Mary the Filker
(from John's account)






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Subject: Re: MAKE MONEY NOW
Date: 1996/07/15
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Joe Orchard <jman@valleynet.com> wrote:
>This is not one of those "Get Rich Quick Scheme" or "mail-order
>
> Schemes".  But enough to pay off your death and whose knows, you could
>
> be test drive the new Mercedes in the next three months. If you too
>
> eager to read what this about then go right to the Instruction section
>
> bottom of this article.
>
> READ ON.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take
>
> two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make


Oh, yes it is--and it isn't even original. A copy of this is going to 
your postmaster. MORE incarnations of "Make Money Fast" we DON'T need.

Mary the Filker
(from John's account)






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From: John Creasey <creasey@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MAKE MONEY NOW
Date: 1996/07/15
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Joe Orchard <jman@valleynet.com> wrote:
>This is not one of those "Get Rich Quick Scheme" or "mail-order
>
> Schemes".  But enough to pay off your death and whose knows, you could
>
> be test drive the new Mercedes in the next three months. If you too
>
> eager to read what this about then go right to the Instruction section
>
> bottom of this article.
>
> READ ON.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take
>
> two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make


Oh, yes it is--and it isn't even original. A copy of this is going to 
your postmaster. MORE incarnations of "Make Money Fast" we DON'T need.

Mary the Filker
(from John's account)






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From: jk1604@hdc.hha.dk (Hr. Vad)
Subject: Freedom of Speech. Legal and Moral Attitudes to art.....
Date: 1996/07/17
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(Headers have been trimmed a bit, and dk.politik added.)

On 15 Jun 1996, Michael Grant <grant@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:

>Subject: Freedom of Speech. 
> 
>Sub heading/keywords: Legal and moral attitudes to art, to the 
>internet and to communications media in general.
> 
>An essay by Michael Grant.
> 
>The views expressed herein are entirely those of Michael Grant 
>and are based on his observations of more than 40 years of 
>living on this planet called Earth.
> 
>(c) Copyright Michael Grant 1996 
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>It is so strange how 'free-speechers' are so active in 
>supporting the rights of 'others' to propagate often 
>slanderous, libellous etc. material. I don't see them 
>campaigning so actively about the rights of the downtrodden in 
>China and Iraq so that these people can express their 
>political views freely. I do not see them campaigning to 
>defend the integrity of victims of e-mail bombs and hate mail. 
>Does that not tell you something of their real motives? 

Well, "free-speechers" or libertarians are per definition ALSO
supporting the people of China and Iraq. You are being illogical here
by assuming that free speechers are NOT supporting e.g. China. If you
wanted to extend your own line of reasoning you could attack ANY
"crisis center" or organization for NOT supporting ALL sorts of
abuses. You could even go so far as to say that because one
organization _focuses_ upon female rape victims they are SUPPORTING
incest and the rape of males, or at best are just not having an
opinion about it. That is: according to YOUR line of reasoning.

Also, most free-speechers DO NOT LIKE spammers and email bombers,
because these very activities are aimed at CENSORING the victims of
it. This may, however, both be god and bad, according to circumstance.
If a newsgroup supporting the victims of rape mailbombs a RAPIST
writing on the group it would certainly be GOOD, wouldn't it? Most
people are NOT mailbombed because they simply _disagree_ with people.
It takes more than that.

Finally, as has been demonstrated elsewhere (on alt.satanism, and
various groups on the dk tree) YOUR idea of slanderous and libellous
material is NOT convergent with that of many other people. Truth and
simple openness has definitely proven to be something you abhor. What
you apparently are NOT seeing is that the regimes of Iran and Iraq
consider the "enemies of the state" to be exactly the people YOU
dislike: spreaders of libellous and slanderous material. Everything
is in the Eye of the Beholder. You, however, sits at your throne
with what you think is absolute truth -- well, it's not.


>I live in Denmark where there is NO CENSORSHIP.

Blatant LIE, or else your 40 years of experience says very little of
your cognitive abilities: We STILL have "Statens Filmcensur" (The
State's Movie Censorship) -- even though, luckily, this fascist bureau
is being shut down. In addition there is also a lot of nongovernmental
censorship going on, but it is censorship no less. Denmark isn't the
WORST country in this respect because we do not subscribe much to
political correctness and xenophobia to new thoughts. This tolerance,
however, is not the work of Michael Grant and his likes.


>However people cannot write and publish any damaging and 
>libellous material, just as they please, and go unpunished. 
>The function of the law is to protect, not to threaten. It 
>should protect and defend the potential victims and not give 
>a green-light to the potential abuser or attacker. In the 
>U.S.A there are now laws intended to protect people from 
>abuse of and via the internet. These laws are in their heart 
>fine. People know that. They know that the intention of these 
>laws is to protect.

These laws are in their heart putrid and vile and the politicians who
have voted for these laws (as well as the public and people like you,
Michael Grant) have NOT been able to GRASP the implications of such
laws. There is every reason to expect, should these laws actually be
enforced, that a news book burning Hitlerite state would emerge. Only
this time YOU and you XTOID friends would be burning the cables,
modems and hard drives of people. Another REAL NASTY thing you
righteous, irrational geeks did NOT see was that THE BIBLE would be
banned under these laws (unless of course you're going to make some
Lex Biblicus (pardon my non-existing latin) which places it above the
law -- theocracy!). Why, if the following is not offensive and evil I
don't know:

"Reproducible Electronic Publishing can defeat censorship.

This file made available by the Internet Infidels for The Freethought
Web.

BIBLE ATROCITIES

Compiled by Donald Morgan
[...]
Genesis, 7:11-24

God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something
about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other
than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass
murderer in history.
[...]
Numbers 31:17-18

Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all
the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man
..." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)

Numbers 31:31-40

32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are
set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord."


>The problem can of course be in the 
>formulation and wording, as is the case for any legislation. 
>Formulating any law is difficult and politicians in many 
>countries just have'nt got the calibre, either educationally 
>or morally to meet the requirements of Statesmanship in the 
>modern world. How many Statesmen or -women in Denmark? Well, 
>look for yourselves, just look at where some of the ministers 
>come from! They could not formulate a law concerning 
>free-speech so thay say, we have no censorship - are'nt we 
>liberal and open-mided. They could not formulate a law to 
>protect the lives of unborn children so they say, look we 
>have free abortion - aren't we liberal and open minded!

Such laws DO exist in other countries, and the problem is NOT that
some politician cannot get the wording of the law right. You seem to
miss the central point: that those politician DO NOT WANT to make such
laws. This, no matter how disgusting or frightening in your mind, is
the real reason.

>Where 
>are the victims in all of this? They have been failed, and 
>failed abissmally, and history will judge that, in fact it 
>is doing so already. Child sex-abuse and problems within the 
>State school system are more and more frequent.

What are you saying here? That teachers rape their students? Or it is
_sex-abuse_ in one place and just _problems_ in the schools?

I wonder how you are  going to connect something as simple as freedom
of speech with these sex-abuse problem and general problems. You
better state you case carefully.


>This only 
>reflects the catastrophic attitude that prevails concerning 
>the identity and inegrity of the human being in modern society. 
>This is something that in Danish is called 'menneskesyn'. We 
>know full well what the heart of the law intends in these and 
>other matters and the 'blue-ribbon' campaigners know that as 
>well. I also know what reply the smart but ill meaning will 
>say: 'How do I know what others intend?'. Well, there are 
>universally accepted standards of behaviour: murder for 
>example is also an offence among cannibals. Those unable to 
>'fit in' in our society usually end up in a state 
>penitentiary.

This is all so very neat and clear. Criminals are criminals and that's
that, and they're being put in jail. Case closed! Take those blinders
off, Mikey, and check out this rather more complex scenario. In a way
you're of course right when stating that those unable to "fit in" ends
up in prison, but I must ask the readers to consider WHO ends up in
prison (and in addition please see this in a historical perspective)?
Well, we're not just talking about fucked up, insane, psychopath,
murderous criminals, and there is ample evidence that puritanical or
otherwise "theocratic" regimes have imprisoned a lot of most people
TODAY would not consider criminals, hey even BACK THEN people didn't
consider them criminals, but they just shut up because the majority of
XTIANS were ready to either imprison or KILL them if they didn't
behave. Examples: the (in)famous Volstead Act starting the era of Al
Capone, Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel and "Lucky" Luciano and other
"criminals" who were making and distributing alchohol. What kind of a
law was that, and who made it? Let me answer that: it was a shitty law
and it was made by YOUR KIND, Michael Grant, Xtians, puritans, control
freaks. Look what it DID.  What about your (uh oh, here it
comes....) fucking INQUISITION. The Inquisition was a "special
theological, police task force" created for the expressed purpose of
ferreting out the WORST kind of criminals: Witches and Satan-
worshippers. The musician King Diamond once made a record called
_The_Eye_ which dealt with the Xtian persecutions in medieval Europe:
it is SO fucking sick and evil I cannot bear to listen to it. It hurts
right into my very soul to hear what YOUR KIND DID, Michael Grant.
What about the guy that smokes a bit of marihuana once in a while: UH,
OH, BIG criminal. Yet what has he really DONE? Nothing at all. Nothing
that *I* would want to stick my nose into, anyway. Hash smokers are
PEACEFUL people, smashed stupid and apathic by their equally stupid
drugs: none of my business. How about it when Xtians chose to burn
almost ALL the books of ancient Greece? I suppose those terrible
Athenians, Pythagoreans & Pelasgians just "didn't fit in" the hellish
society you were trying to create. Had it not been for the Muslims and
those "witches" and "healers" back then almost all of our knowledge of
medicine would have disappeared (it DID in Europe which is why people
lead such miserable lives). More than one European country have had (do
they still have them?) laws prohibiting the import of condoms and
other contraceptive devices: who are the Catholics to say that this is
ILLEGAL? (And who else (in Europe) but Catholics would make such a
law?) Well, I would SURELY be a CRIMINAL in such a society.


>I have been following the debates for some time, 
>so unless I am completely brainless then the declared motives 
>of the involved parties have completely escaped me. Now that 
>is not very probable is it? The blue ribbon campaigners 
>should stop being so hypocritical and their best service would 
>be to help define the wording of legislation that protects, in 
>the same way that laws concering other forms of traffic on real 
>motorways are designed to protect, by limiting pollution and 
>ensuring safe driving etc. I regularly receive a lot of rubbish 
>from satanists. Some, and one in particular, have put up 
>slanderous stuff about me on a web site, first in Denmark and 
>now in Norway.

Firstly the materials I put up is NOT slanderous. They reflect the
TRUTH. I'm just going out and telling people WHAT you have DONE to me.
By now it's all plastered over the nets. I have NOT, and WILL NOT, lie
about what has happened. But this is so typical for you Xtians:
whenever someone says something BLUNT and completely to the point
without the "English valet politeness" you're so used to, you imagine
that it is "slanderous", a "lie" or "poisonous." The only thing
"poisonous" is seen when YOU and your DEEDS are exposed. Yes, you are
IN-DEED an evil person. The mentioning of you on my homepage was
NOTHING, even a bit HUMOROUS in my opinion, but YOU necessitated that
we ALL hear exactly what you did. It has always been pretty difficult
to get hold of YOUR mouthings behind my back, but at least I know the
stuff I'VE written, and there's nothing untruthful in THAT.


>When I drive a car, a freedom I have acquired, 
>and can exercise through having obtaining a license, first I 
>have to have a car or ask permission to borrow one and then I 
>can't just drive when and how I like and damn everyone else and 
>run people over. So it is with freedom of speech. There is 
>still a responsibility to respect the rights and intergrity of 
>others.

When it comes to the internet your analogy breaks down on TWO
occasions. The one VALID analogy is when it comes to email, which is
mostly analogous to snail mail. The situations where the analogy
breaks down are: 1) When it comes to www-homepages: you CAN NOT drive
a homepage into someones face. To read it you must, of your OWN free
volition, establish the connection to the site. THEN you must READ the
introduction and WARNING that the page contains stuff that some people
might find offending (most people are even able to deduce the contents
of a page just from it's title and immediate links). You have ALL the
opportunities to escape that which offends your eye. 2) There are the
newsgroups: like any community these have their own norms and codes of
conduct and like everyone else you had BETTER familiarize yourself
with these before launcing into some diatribe or other. YOU, e.g., did
NOT do this when you visited alt.satanism for the first time, ie. YOU
fucked up, NOT us. If you wanna break "the rules" on some newsgroup
you should be prepared to suffer the consequences -- e.g. if *I* were
to post some Satanic diatribe on irrelevant newsgroups (like now I
suppose) I would have no problem with the potential hate mail and
bombings. I know I'm likely to get some enemies out there, so once in
a while I find that I'm subscribed to (as was the case) a <smile>
Paula Abdul email list. Why should I bitch, bitch, bitch, about it? I
KNOW what I'm DO-ing. You also HAVE to voluntarily CHOOSE to be on a
newsgroups, or you DO NOT GET the news there. If some jerk is
crossposting all over the place, thus intruding on "your" newsgroup it
is only fair that you tell the idiot to get lost, and no, you don't
have to be polite in such a case. Under some definitions such complaints
could actually pass as hate mail. So what!? Have you got a PROBLEM
understanding all of this?

Point: you are being illogical.


>Also what the 'free-speechers' do not tell you, and here we get 
>a little closer to revealing their true motives and interests, 
>is that it is well known, and all the research supports this, 
>is that pornography is ADDICTIVE. It's like morphine, you need 
>more and more to get the same kick. It's just not healthy in 
>any way, and does damage to the state of your soul. Even the 
>semi-pornographic has often overtones of abuse and violence.

Since you like science so much: establish a falsifiable hypothesis for
examining the existence of the "soul." Otherwise DO NOT think you can
link some surveys with said construct. Suffice to say that what you've
just outlined is NOT obvious to quite a lot of people out there.


>Pornography is evil and degrading. It always evenutually 
>leads to violence and abuse, either physical or psychological.

The first one is simply your opinion. The second is simply not true.


>It damages and degrades all involved, not least the 
>participants but also the readers and viewers.

I would understand if you though pornography was boring or somesuch,
but damaging and degrading, even to the reader/viewer. That's FAR OUT.
How can a human body be "dirty", it's not like pornography shows
anything we didn't know was there in the first place, and how can this
flesh and pictures of it destroy anything? WHAT is it destroying? I
_suppose_ you would also call the scientific findings regarding the
chemical substance _oxytocin_ blasphemous and/or degrading in some
way. (Oxytocin has been identified as an important chemical substance
regulating many bodily function, among those how attachment occurs
between two people, ie. it significantly explains what some of the
active agents of LOVE is -- some researches jokingly calls it the
"cuddly enzyme".)


>I just wish it would go away from the network.

You are certainly a most curious study, Michael Grant, because it
seems that the very _existence_ of this material gives you
considerable pain, even though there is no force in the universe that
can FORCE you to look at it....hell, you could live your whole life
(or what remains of it) without ever seeing it. That's what FREEDOM
is: the freedom to CHOOSE what you want to subject yourself to.


>I think it's disgusting how 
>the active campaign run by those like Playboy from the 
>soft-porn market has deliberately pursued policies for decades 
>to undermine the family structure, with resulting consequences 
>and try to present themselves as socially accepatble 
>publications. If they felt in their consciences any sort of 
>responsibility to society they should cease their activities 
>resulting in increased divorce rates etc. and use some of 
>their billions to help, single mothers, battered women, 
>prostitutes trying to get out of their hell etc. etc. But they 
>don't. Instead we have some pathetic attempt by the owner of 
>Penthouse to appear as some sort of social guardian in the 
>UNA-Bomber case. Well even the UNA-Bomber had his opinion 
>about that offer! Criticize these often incredibly wealthy 
>organisations and they squeal, 'Oh don't touch us, this is art! 
>Can you define that? Who you are you to tell others what to 
>see etc. etc.' Well If they were martyrs for their cause they 
>might have a little more credibility, but billions and billions 
>of dollars are involved. Who do you beleive? No one can define 
>art, any more than I can define a friend or another person or 
>even myself for that matter. Go on, try to define yourself. At 
>best it would be a very limited description, but that's all; it 
>would not be you. But I can recognise that other person as a 
>person and when all is well with the world so will everyone 
>else. There have been and are the hicups in world history as 
>when for example in Gemany during WWII Jews were not 
>considered to be real persons and today when in many countries 
>the unborn children are not considered to be be real persons.

The anti-semitism (meaning anti-jew) during WWII was certainly FED by
Xtianity, e.g. in the form of Luther who were a STRONG anti-semite. It
was in the whole culture at that time. JEWS I know SAY this. The
Holocaust was a Christian thing.

Or as one author remarked about your kind (and he was being nice, in
my view):

"It is difficult for an unbiased historian to feel anything but
irritation when writing about the early history of the Christian
Church. It is true that while they were being persecuted by the
Romans, Christians showed themselves at their greatest; but as soon as
Christianity began to gain the upper hand, after Constantine, they
behaved like barbarians, destroying books and works of art,
persecuting their pagan enemies, and burning one another for heresy."
(Colin Wilson, _Witches_)


>We all know what that lead to and leads to.

YES, the Inquisition, dictatorships, female and male circumcision or
clitoridectomy, thrashing the cultures of the Amerindians and
Aboriginees, and preaching religion to the all the "sinful" people
leading peaceful, quiet lives in the Amazon jungles. As one South
American missionary expressed it (quoting from memory): we have to
teach these indians [in the Amazon forest] that they are sinful and
that Jesus has come to save them. What kind of teaching is this. Pure
EVIL, that's what it is. Imagine that: trying to MAKE people feel
shameful of their bodies, make them feel SELF-HATRED, convince them
that something is WRONG with them when there's NOT. That's what it
leads to when you don't consider other people and their ways "good
enough."

>I recognise art when I meet it and like a friend I know what that
>encounter can involve.

Oh please, first you pull that "no-one-can-define-art" stunt. Sure it
is true that Zeno couldn't pick out the grain of sand that turned the
heap of sand into a not-heap, but what is the point of saying so when
you later state that -- for some reason known only to yourself -- YOU
are strangely able to KNOW when it's art (hence you must have a
definition and you even provide one!). If this is the kind of "logic"
you were bragging about in another post no one here can be impressed:
You contradict yourself all the time.


>There are of course perverts around who expect and 
>anticipate that their encounters with their friends are 
>expressed in some sado-masochistic manner, but that's sick is 
>it not?

Then take a look at what you religious types have done to yourselves
and others over the years. YOUR religion is the greatest
sadomasochistic religion there is. Not only have you had all sorts of
self-flaggelating monks among your ranks, your witch-hunters have also
been some of the worst sadists ever to set foot on this earth. And the
ways you always deny the body its simple pleasures (hence torture it)
are too too many to go into here. One needs only mention the various
pledges of poverty among you, your whole Cartesian mind-over-body
idea, doctrines of the sinful flesh etc., to understand that you have
frequently gone without proper clothing and food in some design to
deny the body. Views might differ, but I would call this clearly
masochistic. And as mentioned, it seems you insist on sharing this
pain with others: why else do you preach your religion so fervently.

(The particular Cartesian view that the mind and body is somehow split
has, incidentally, been proven by neurology to be an ABSOLUTELY false
view....with the notable exception of certain BRAIN DAMAGED
individuals. No shit, Sherlock! See e.g. Antonio R. Damasio
_Descartes' Error._)


>No I can not define art, no one can, but I know what I 
>want it to do. I want it to help raise me up, to be a source of 
>happiness, enlightenment and joy for all: in a word, a delight 
>to experience, something that builds me up as a person, an 
>enriching experience. Those who claim to be enriched by 
>perversity are like those alchoholics who claim to be 
>enriched by the whisky bottle. Very well then, but their 
>surroundings certainly don't testify to that. So much that 
>passes as art leaves the viewer or reader feeling empty and 
>demoralized, simply because the product passing as art is 
>produced by someone whose 'creations' are better classified as 
>products from a therapy session. I don't want their junk thrown 
>my way, put it in the bin where it belongs!

As have already been mentioned NO ONE IS shoving these things down
your throat, so why the hell do you continue to bother with all of
this? Could it be that YOU are entertaining a number of secret
pleasures by "analyzing these foul things?" (or whatever eufemism you
want to list that under). If this is NOT the case then why the
ceaseless clinging and poking of your nose into these things? There is
no way I can understand this obsession of yours.


>(c) Copyright Michael Grant 1996
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Michael Grant Obl.Ocist. M.Sc. B.Sc.
>grant@inet.uni-c.dk

Hey, if THIS is what academics can produce then maybe you're right
when you say that the Danish educational system sucks.




Hr. Vad                     "The ultimate effect of shielding people
                             against the effects of folly, is
(jk1604@hdc.hha.dk)          to fill the world with fools"
					--Herbert Spencer

Check out the Mirror of my homepage:
   http://james.stud.unit.no/~anderpe/vad/index.html

(uC) Hr. Vad (meaning UN-copyrighted: anyone can spread this around as
they feel like; like my friggin homepage if only Michael Grant's deeds
were not responsible for it's demise).



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From: turmoil@animal.blarg.net (Turmoil)
Subject: Unwanted Mail -
Date: 1996/07/17
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Well here's a nice little piece of mail and the advertiser
claim that it's just business as usual. 
I also spent some time on the phone with an 
admin at pwrnet.com about this piece. He was quite uncooperative.
he wouldn't clearly state thier polciy and seemed to indicate that 
this HAS been allowed. We need to send these providers a strong 
message that this type of abuse will NOT be allowed. I urge everyone
to contact the admins steve@pwrnet.com and joel@pwrnet.com thier phone
numbers are 214-488-8295. 

------------------------------------------------------


From jms1@mail.pwrnet.com Wed Jul 17 14:48:50 1996
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 03:03:35 +0000
From: Michael Simpson <jms1@mail.pwrnet.com>
Reply-To: jms1@pwrnet.com
To: Turmoil's Seattle Music Web <turmoil@animal.blarg.net>
Subject: Re:  unsolicited message

Heres the deal.  I strip addresses from newsgroups automatically.  It
is a very,  very effective marketing method that makes me a great deal
of money.  That is why I put up with your "flames" in order to do it.
I offer only legitimate and authentic information from which the
majority of people can benefit.  I am not scamming you.  Eventually,
bulk emailing may not be so lucrative.  At that point it will cease. 
Until then I will put your address in a remove file but that doesn't
guarentee that you will not see my messages again.  Remove files are
not perfect.  I will try to keep my messages out of your box.  I will
also always have "unsolicited message" in the subject field so that
you can easily delete it should it inadvertently show up.  I apologize
for any inconvenience.  

Date:          Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
From:          "Turmoil's Seattle Music Web" <turmoil@animal.blarg.net>
To:            jms1@pwrnet.com
Cc:            jms1@denmark.it.earthlink.net, paul@pwrnet, root@pwrnet, postmaster@pwrnet
Subject:       Re:  unsolicited message

YOU MUST NOT SEND UNSOLICTED MAIL TO ME! I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR SCAM
LONG DISTANCE COMPANY. IF YOU CONTINUE TO SEND ME EMAIL I WILL TAKE 
ACTION AGAINST YOU< YOUR SCAM LD COMPANY, AND YOUR INTERNET PROVIDER.
PWRNET: YOU WOULD AVOID THIS ILLEGAL ABUSE OF YOUR NETWORK WITH A LITTLE
EDUCATION!!!!

                              turmoil's seattle music web
                             http://www.blarg.net/~turmoil

On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Michael Simpson wrote:

> If you are paying more than 9.9 cents per minute for long distance,
> you may be interested in a coop where you get the above rates plus low
> intrastate & international rates, cheap voice mail, cheap cellular and
> paging, cheap calling cards, internet access, FREE teleconferencing
> and credits for referrals that can eliminate your LD bill altogether.
> This is not a "fly-by-night" reseller.  It is a solid growing company
> that owns its own hardware.  They will soon have a TV infomercial.
> 
> The sign up is free so you have nothing to lose and lots to save.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Michael Simpson
> 

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WealthCom (FREE TELECONFERENCING!) Representative
GEMSTARS Regional HQ: voice505-988-4891 FAX505 995-0483
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-- 
                              turmoil's seattle music web
                             http://www.blarg.net/~turmoil



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From: dlyons@stats.tcd.ie (Donal Lyons)
Subject: Re: Help us help the children
Date: 1996/07/18
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In article <4sk93b$5io@hades.intrstar.net>, pops@intrstar.net wrote:
> PLEASE!!!! please help us help the children!!!!!

'Pops' spammed this to the 100 groups below and 'nana' did the same. I'd
suggest that if anyone's heart is wrenched, they check out the posters'
credentials first.

Copied to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and postmasters.

===============================================================
Word count: pops intrstar net: about 100

Documents 1-30 of 99 matching some of the query terms, best matches first.
You can retrieve a news posting from your local server, if you have one,
by using L.
You can retrieve binaries (programs or pictures) by using B.

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17.Jul alt.irc                pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children!!
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18.Jul misc.education.medica  pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children  
18.Jul misc.education         pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children  
18.Jul k12.ed.health-pe       pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children  
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17.Jul alt.support.anxiety-p  pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children  
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17.Jul alt.parenting.solutio  pops@intrstar.ne L B Help us help the children  
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-- 
Donal Lyons,                    Phone (1000-1700 GMT) +353 1 608 1919
Department of Statistics,       Phone Messages        +353 1 608 1767
Trinity College, Dublin 2,      FAX                   on request
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From: sue@interport.net (Curly Sue)
Subject: Re: !Filtering or Killing Junk Email
Date: 1996/07/18
Message-ID: <sue.540.0065148A@interport.net>#1/1
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In article <31eda6be.172278853@news1.radix.net> revjack@radix.net (revjack@radix.net) writes:
>From: revjack@radix.net (revjack@radix.net)
>Subject: Re: !Filtering or Killing Junk Email
>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 03:00:19 GMT

>Previously, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

>: From article <4siupa$mg3@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com>, by mmckimens@ti.com (Mike McKimens):
>: ] 
>: ] One solicitation I received recently said up front to put something like 
>: ] "Delete from mailing list" in the "Subject:" line of a response - I found 
>: ] this very reasonable.
>: ] 
>: ] Mike McKimens


BUT IT DOESN'T WORK!!  Ask those who are getting stuff from the creeps at 
cyberpromotion.  There is no way to get off that f-ing list.  A pox on them 
and their descendents.


>: This won't seem as reasonable to you when you start getting hundreds of
>: messages a day from people who have put you on their mailing lists and
>: all you have to do is waste an hour or two each day unsubscribing.

Exactly!


Sue

Girls just want to have fun!
______________________________________
As you climb up the ladder of success,
Don't let the boys look up your dress.
**************************************



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From: cjacobs@simplex.nl (Chris Jacobs)
Subject: sci.physics
Date: 1996/07/19
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This I found in sci.physics:

Newsgroups: sci.chem,sci.physics,sci.bio.misc,sci.astro,misc.invest.stocks,sci.bio.technology,alt.sci.physics.plutonium
Path: ps2!news.simplex.nl!sun4nl!wirehub!news.euro.net!venus.euro.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU!jmt2a
From: jmt2a@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeremy M. Travins)
Subject: Re: Email switch "on - off" switch
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

>Most of you people ought to watch Forest Gump, for you will
>find that some of the dumbest people on Earth are 'attacking people' and
>that is exactly what you Stalkers, and Emailbombers and Forgery Subscribers
>are.

Yes, and YOU are the cause of it Archie.  Thanks for turning
the world into such a shitty place.  This newsgroups was once a
peaceful place until you came along.  So now that you've proven
yourself to be above the rest of us as far as computer
technology, software, killfiles, and whatever, how about
pistols at twenty paces, asshole?  Personally, I'm not the
"attacking" type until I meet assholes like you.
Be careful, Archie.  Cancers like you often get cut out.  Keep
being an malignant tumor on society and there will be plenty of us 
"attacking people" ready to pick up that scalple.  And I ain't talkin'
about taking away your net access...
 




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From: spatterson@wwdc.com (Steve Patterson)
Subject: Re: Unwanted Mail -
Date: 1996/07/20
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references: <turmoil.837640215@animal.blarg.net>
organization: Wouldn't you like to know?
newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse,alt.current-events.net-abuse


In article <turmoil.837640215@animal.blarg.net>, turmoil@animal.blarg.net (Turmoil) says:
>
>
>Well here's a nice little piece of mail and the advertiser
>claim that it's just business as usual. 
>I also spent some time on the phone with an 
>admin at pwrnet.com about this piece. He was quite uncooperative.
>he wouldn't clearly state thier polciy and seemed to indicate that 
>this HAS been allowed. We need to send these providers a strong 
>message that this type of abuse will NOT be allowed. I urge everyone
>to contact the admins steve@pwrnet.com and joel@pwrnet.com thier phone
>numbers are 214-488-8295. 

I have also been receiving these messages; in fact, I've received FIVE this
WEEK.  I have already emailed root@pwrnet.com, and received no reply.

This is getting *very* irritating, especially since I live in Canada and
thus am in *no* way eligible for their damned product.

Is there a way to shut this down?

---
"Animals have contempt for animal rights; cats don't treasure diversity,
except in a gustatory sense." -- Frederica Mathewes-Green
<BRAG>Creator and maintainer of the Legions of Steel Web Page!</BRAG>
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From: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Subject: Spammers selling newsgroup lists? (was Re: Personality type)
Date: 1996/07/26
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bcc: Caprina
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Hello,
I am tired of this spamm junk in rec.pets. There are a number of threads 
that are spammed to these following newsgroups.:

uk.misc,talk.bizarre,soc.women,soc.penpals,soc.men,soc.bi,sci.med,sci.math,
sci.lang,sci.econ,sci.crypt,sci.chem,sci.astro,
rec.video,rec.pets,rec.nude,rec.boats,
k12.chat.junior,comp.arch,can.schoolnet.chat.students.jr,alt.wired,
alt.teens,alt,sl

This is only one thread. Another one which started out as "Allert to all 
parents" and was a lot of hogwash about lsd, turned into "Xian 
Inconsistency (was Re: Allert to all parents!) and " and a number of 
other modified subjects, unjunking the thread ever time I killed it.
Now, this "Personality Type" has come up, with the same newsgroups in the 
header! More monumental cross-posts to off-topic newsgroups, and more 
ridiculous waste of bandwith to come! It's bad enough when the Animal 
Rights Activitists spam all their flaming junk into the pet news because 
they aren't happy yelling their heads off in talk,politics.animals, this 
is getting sickening!
What do any of these newsgroups have to do with each other anyway? I 
don't subscribe to rec.nude, for example because I don't want to read 
anything from there. But these cross-posts aren't giving me much choice. 
Because the cross-post spamm list is the same in these threads, I think 
there may be some selling going on. Nothing is working to stopp this 
annoyance.

sigh

Caprina

In article <Pine.BSI.3.91.960720113041.16950B-100000@host.hawk.igs.net>,
 <tgbarn@hawk.igs.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Pamela Bivens wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>Hi Pamela
>
>> I'm an undergraduate student of psychology at Kansas State University.
>> I'm conducting my first research project on personality types. The
>> research is being run on the internet and can be found at
>> http://www.ksu.edu/~pamb/  The purpose of this study is to find out if
>> certain personality types are more or less likely to be
>> faithful/unfaithful in relationships. In the process, you can find out
>> what your personality type is. More information and the test can be
>> found at the above URL. Please stop by and check it out.
>> Thanks,
>> Pam
>> 
>> 
>Thanks for visiting us...and other...:) It may be of interest to many. I 
>invite you to check us out as we'll do for you from this side.
>In Friendship & Universality
>Peter
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From: bmackey@ucsd.edu (bob mackey)
Subject: Junk Email targets WebMasters ("Sounds Like You")
Date: 1996/01/14
Message-ID: <4dbosp$n1m@ra.nrl.navy.mil>#1/1
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organization: Naval Research Laboratory
newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse

I have received two of these in the last day.  They appear to be 
targetting email addresses of webmasters or email addresses found
in webpages.  I have asked the sender to stop sending junk email,
and asked his provider to help get the message through.

-bob mackey
 bmackey@ucsd.edu

----------------begin forwarded junk email-----------------

From alan@fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com Sun Jan 14 01:31:22 1996
Received: from fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com
(fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com [205.187
.161.3]) by azazel.sdsc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.10) with SMTP id BAA28294 for
<webmaster@
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00
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:32:10 -0600
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To: webmaster@azazel.sdsc.edu
From: cs2795@austin.tx.sunset.com
Subject: Sounds Like You
Status: R

Hey, check this out, Best of luck

Gary.

--------------------
>Date: 1/12/96 1:47 PM
>To: cs2795@austin.tx.sunset.com
>From: cs1804@lincoln.nb.sunset.com (Richard Terrell)
>Subject: Crack the Safe Contest!
>
>Sunset Direct is giving away tens of thousands of dollars worth of prizes
>to the first 500 people to "crack the safe". The clues to cracking the safe
>are hidden on pages within the Sunset Direct site http://www.sunsetdirect.com.
>
>Prizes include Intel Pentium OverDrive Processors, Epson Color scanners,
>Epson and Canon color inkjet printers, TDK 28.8 PC cards, Quarterdeck's
>InternetSuite, WebAuthor, Gyropoint gyroscopic free floating mouse, Symantec
>ACT!, Symantec PC Anywhere, Traveling Software's Laplink, and dozens of other
>products from Sunset's microcomputer clients.
>
>Hurry, the first contest prizes are to be awarded January 26th.
>----------------------------
>http://www.sunsetdirect.com




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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Subject: Re: Junk Email targets WebMasters ("Sounds Like You")
Date: 1996/01/18
Message-ID: <1996Jan18.082331.21790@montagar>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 135648502
references: <4dbosp$n1m@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX
newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse

In article <4dbosp$n1m@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, bmackey@ucsd.edu (bob mackey) writes:
> I have received two of these in the last day.  They appear to be 
> targetting email addresses of webmasters or email addresses found
> in webpages.  I have asked the sender to stop sending junk email,
> and asked his provider to help get the message through.

	I got a similar one that was from doug_monahan@sunsetdirect.com.
I added him to *MY* junk mail mailing list!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
David L. Cathey                       |Inet: davidc@montagar.com
Montagar Software Concepts            |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260776                      |Fone: (214)-578-5036
Plano TX  75026-0772                  |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/



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From: Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Junk Email targets WebMasters ("Sounds Like You")
Date: 1996/01/18
Message-ID: <4dkucu$q3j@hustle.rahul.net>#1/1
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In <4dbosp$n1m@ra.nrl.navy.mil> bmackey@ucsd.edu (bob mackey) writes:

>I have received two of these in the last day.  They appear to be 
>targetting email addresses of webmasters or email addresses found
>in webpages.  I have asked the sender to stop sending junk email,
>and asked his provider to help get the message through.

This alleged spam (really junk email) did not originate within the
sunset.com domain.  Please see my separate posting with the subject

   Subject: Junk email attack from sunsetdirect.com (not sunset.com)

for more information.
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@rahul.net>
"please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>



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From: Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Junk Email targets WebMasters ("Sounds Like You")
Date: 1996/01/18
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organization: a2i network
nntp-posting-user: dhesi
newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse

Since sunsetdirect.com's mail gateway machines don't always accept incoming
email, I have created a mail alias here called

     sunset_admins@rahul.net

Mail sent to the above address will be relayed to the following
administrative addresses:

   ecastro@sunsetdirect.com                 -- 'whois' technical contact
   mikerice@sunsetdirect.com                -- 'whois' admin contact
   alan@fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com         -- sender of original junk email
   postmaster@mail.sunsetdirect.com         -- postmaster
   root@fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com         -- root
   postmaster@fiddleback.sunsetdirect.com   -- postmaster
   webmaster@sunsetdirect.com               -- webmaster
   postmaster@sunsetdirect.com              -- postmaster

The mail software here at rahul.net will intelligently relay mail via
any available gateway machine in the sunsetdirect.com domain, even if
the published mail gateway(s) are blocking incoming SMTP.  The intent
of this alias is to enable you to reply to any email that you might
receive from sunsetdirect.com and have the reply go through with some
reasonable chance of success.
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@rahul.net>
"please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>



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From: drg@manus.org (CyberLogician)
Subject: Re: Closing the "Velveeta" Loophole
Date: 1996/02/10
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Crossposted CORRECTLY to Grobor's and Boursy's groups
In article <4f7ar5$sb2@kachina.jetcafe.org>,
   dave@kachina.jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) wrote:
>nmehl@bbnplanet.com (Nathan J. Mehl) writes:
>>dave@kachina.jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) writes:
>>>>I believe I tried to make this point with you once before, Dave, and
>>>>I feel compelled to make it again:
>>>Where does this feeling come from? 8-)
>>A dislike of seeing untruths offered as gospel, especially when that 
>>untruth stems from a lack of examination.
>
>But who was offering anything as gospel? Where did you get the assumption 
>that anyone offers gospel here? 
>
>>Specifically, you stated, regarding Boursy:
>>	But we come from the same place, we want the same thing 
>>	at the core of our arguments. I don't understand, the only 
>>	difference is presentation.
>>...and I consider it to be a proven fact, as Boursy has attempted to
>>silence people on the basis of their beliefs, that he does _not_
>>want the same thing at the core of his argument.  
>
>The only truth I see here is that your truth and my truth differ. 
>I do not have the same experience with Boursy as you do. 
>
>Of course, if I were to accept your truth without examination, I would
>be treating your truth as gospel. 8-)
>
>>>>One of your least attractive habits is that you seem to choose your
>>>>"allies" not on the basis of whether they actually share your goals,
>>>>but merely on whether they speak well of you.  
>>>Me? Sir. You have your Dave Hayes's mixed up. I'm the one that doesn't
>>>care what others think of me, and the one that cares only for content
>>>and not reputation.
>>Then perhaps you should examine the content of others a bit more
>>closely.
>
>A deeper position for me requires that I not accept your apparent
>request for this examination on my part as gospel. 
>
>It's really not necessary, in this case. I'm not even using methods of
>examination that would meet with your standards. For a simple example,
>you believe the impression of Boursy that Boursy has painted for you.
>
>>>>The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, Dave.  In
>>>>this case, you have picked as an ally to the cause of "True Free 
>>>>Speech" one of the few people on the net who has _consistantly_
>>>>attempted to stifle the speech of those who have dared to disagree
>>>>with him.
>>>Well, if he becomes a Freedom Knight, and adopts those codes of 
>>>conduct, this will stop. 
>>*guffaw*
>
>Glad I could be of service. 
>
>>Steve will quite happily label himself a "Freedom Knight" or any
>>other title that feeds his ego.  Then he'll call the employer of 
>>the next person to disagree with him.
>
>This is your impression of him talking. The actual person may differ.
>
>>>You all keep thinking this is some sort of political game. That's what
>>>you Cabal people play, 
>>Who are they, Dave?
>
>Who indeed. They certainly aren't what either of us thinks they are,
>that's for sure.
>
>>>I don't play this one. I am simply stating my
>>>philosophies in concrete form and inviting anyone who agrees to adopt
>>>them. No force, no politics, no public opinion, and no bullshit. 
>>>If you want games, I can recommend this great game by Parallax software
>>>called "descent"...you can even play it on the internet. ;-)
>>And I'd blow you away in it, but that's really far afield... :)
>
>Allow me to dive into my ego for a second. You really shouldn't
>grossly overestimate your relative skill like that. It'll feel so
>unbecoming when you get beat.
>
>And is that a challenge?  Are you prepared to back up your ego in
>public? Do you have Kali? 
>
>>>>Ask Barry Perlman whether Steve Boursy believes in free speech.
>>>>Ask Betsy Schwartz whether Steve Boursy believes in free speech.
>>>>Ask Saul Tannenbaum whether Steve Boursy believes in free speech.
>>>Why are they definitive? 
>>Because they either no longer post to usenet or restrict their
>>posting to usenet because of Steve's harassment of their employers.
>
>If that is true, then there are many options. Getting a new employer
>is one of them...I certainly wouldn't stay at a place that believed
>strangers more than they believed those whom they work with daily. 
>
>>"You can only hurt me if I let you" kind of breaks down as an
>>argument when the person you're attempting to debate considers
>>ending your career to be a legitimate debating tactic.
>
>That assumes that your career is so important to you that you will
>compromise your principles to keep it. 
>
>>>>Ask any of the other regular denizens of ne.politics or ne.general,
>>>>many of whom Boursy attempted to have harassed into silence for
>>>>daring to disagree with him about rent control.
>>>>Calls to employers.  Calls to homes.  Plugs pulled and voices
>>>>silenced.  Your "friend" and "supporter," Stephen Boursy.
>>>Can you not see that all you are doing is tearing something down
>>>which has no bearing on my efforts?
>>I'm not tearing down anything except your insistance that Steve
>>Boursy supports free speech in any form.
>
>Does that have any bearing on my efforts? Think before you respond
>to that. 



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From: robi@halcyon.com (Bill Robicheaux)
Subject: Re: No Wonder Chris Christian Was Raped
Date: 1996/02/15
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Please - Someone put a stop to this.  This has gone too far!

freddy@speakeasy.org (Chris Christian Exposed) wrote:

- -It is often the feminist perspective that there is nothing that draws a 
- -rapist to a victim. This seems logical. But let us look deeper. Let us 
- -look at what may have contributed to Chris Christain's rape. 
- -Well, we see someone who is violent, abusive and speaks like she was 
- -raised in a sewer. Would it not make sense that she would associate with 
- -her own type? She is violent, insulting, stupid. Would she not also, 
- -karmically draw the same things to her?
- -She is malicious, vindictive, controlling. Would this not, karmically 
- -draw a malicious, vindictive and controlling rapist to her.?
- -And now on to the matter of the "rape". "Rape" or sadomastic sex which 
- -she enjoyed and got out of hand? And the poor guy probbably went to 
- -prison for what Chris so richlly deserved. She punished this poor man in 
- -some type of malicious, vindictive and psychotic state that she has so 
- -obviously manifest upon this group and upon innocent people. 
- -Why  go on and on about the poor man you asked to rape you. WHy go on and 
- -on about how you didn't enjoy it. Why don't you tell the truth and let 
- -the poor innocent man out of prison. 
- -We know what you really are. You are an ugly, vindictive, abusive witch 
- -who derives joy out of giving others suffering - like the poor man who 
- -sits in jail because of your made-up story about being "raped". Why don't 
- -you just break down and admit you enjoyed it? And save us all your 
- -self-rigteous sob story. 


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From: robi@halcyon.com (Bill Robicheaux)
Subject: Re: No Wonder Chris Christian Was Raped
Date: 1996/02/15
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freddy@speakeasy.org (Chris Christian Exposed) wrote:

- -It is often the feminist perspective that there is nothing that draws a 
- -rapist to a victim. This seems logical. But let us look deeper. Let us 
- -look at what may have contributed to Chris Christain's rape. 
- -Well, we see someone who is violent, abusive and speaks like she was 
- -raised in a sewer. Would it not make sense that she would associate with 
- -her own type? She is violent, insulting, stupid. Would she not also, 
- -karmically draw the same things to her?
- -She is malicious, vindictive, controlling. Would this not, karmically 
- -draw a malicious, vindictive and controlling rapist to her.?
- -And now on to the matter of the "rape". "Rape" or sadomastic sex which 
- -she enjoyed and got out of hand? And the poor guy probbably went to 
- -prison for what Chris so richlly deserved. She punished this poor man in 
- -some type of malicious, vindictive and psychotic state that she has so 
- -obviously manifest upon this group and upon innocent people. 
- -Why  go on and on about the poor man you asked to rape you. WHy go on and 
- -on about how you didn't enjoy it. Why don't you tell the truth and let 
- -the poor innocent man out of prison. 
- -We know what you really are. You are an ugly, vindictive, abusive witch 
- -who derives joy out of giving others suffering - like the poor man who 
- -sits in jail because of your made-up story about being "raped". Why don't 
- -you just break down and admit you enjoyed it? And save us all your 
- -self-rigteous sob story. 


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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Subject: Re: C*b*l meeting: Moon of Blooming Idiots(was 2nd month/F*bru*ry 
Date: 1996/02/20
Message-ID: <1996Feb20.091349.22003@montagar>#1/1
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references: <DLtJpL.MI0@frackit.com> <4fomg4$17cm@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>  <4ga5nk$rl7@reader2.ix.netcom.com>
organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX
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In article <4ga5nk$rl7@reader2.ix.netcom.com>, zando@ix.netcom.com(Dr. Grubor) writes:
> In <DMzz2A.A1r@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris
> Lewis) writes: 
>>There are people who actually _want_ to taste Genesee or Coors?  You
>>guys are sicker than I thought.
>
> It is time to get rid of this Chris Lewis.
> Maybe we should sue his boss, John McDonald,
> for Lewis's libel by calling good american
> beer drinkers "sick."
> 
> we have some class down here you pervert,
> and we real MEN drink the world's BEST beer,
> which is Michelob Dry.
> 
> NOBODY beats Anhauser Busch for quality beer.
> 
> There is Michelob Dry, and then the rest of the shit
> they call "other beer."
> 
> DrBeerGodFuck

	But John, Busch makes other beer besides Dry.  They are shit, too?
Either John has developed a sense of humor, or this is the best "beer" he
can afford.

	I can see the commercial now:  John is standing in the parking lot,
store logos in fuul view, holding his favorite brew.  The director calls for
"Action!", and John delivers his line with something resembing "gusto"...

	"7-11, purveyors of fine beer everywhere!"

	Cut!  Okay, let's move the ...

	"The rest of them are SHIT!..." [John's beer starts foaming]

	Whoa, John, we're done with ...

	[Charging camera] "I'm GodBeerFuck, and if YOU COWARDS REMOVE MY
		BEER FROM THE SHELVES..." [John, himself, starts fomin']

	[Crew backing away] Uh, someone get this nut off the set!

	[Pandemonium ensues...]

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
David L. Cathey                       |Inet: davidc@montagar.com
Montagar Software Concepts            |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260776                      |Fone: (214)-578-5036
Plano TX  75026-0772                  |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/



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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Subject: Re: Repost of Canceled Article
Date: 1996/02/25
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organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX
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In article <4gfosd$gpl@cloner4.netcom.com>, zando@ix.netcom.com(Dr. Grubor) writes:
> yes it is.  any e-mail about any usenet content is e-mail harassment.
> usenet must be immediately severed from all of the rest of the web


	Yet what has John Grubor done?  By his own definition, he has
harrassed me via E-mail.  Using his rules, he is now a justifiable
target of mail-bombing for this act:


>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:21:16 -0800
>Message-ID: <199602231521.HAA20125@ix12.ix.netcom.com>
>From: zando@ix.netcom.com (Dr. Grubor)
>Subject: Re: N.A.N-A.M Frequent Posters: Top 10 signs you have too much time
>To: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
>
>You must understand that I have never been anything but
>the boss.  I want no credit, just the job done.
>The only people that I find usefull are those who know 
>how to take orders.
>
>DrG
>
>
>You wrote: 
>>
>>In article <4ghlln$g9v@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, zando@ix.netcom.com(Dr. 
>Grubor) writes:
>>> In <4gg97d$lg6@wilma.widomaker.com> chess@widomaker.com (Alison
>>> Rosenstengel) writes: 
>>>>
>>>><soc.men and alt.eat.cunt removed from newsgroups>
>>> 
>>> AW GEE! -- and they were such a PERFECT PAIR!
>>> 
>>> And you sure do look like a SEXIST from that move!
...

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
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Subject: *****   "USD  $3,000,000  DRAW"   *****
Date: 1996/03/17
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-> your entry being voided.  Due to processing costs and clearing times,
-> cheques and money orders will not be accepted.  Cash equivalents in
-> currencies other than U.S.$ will be accepted as long as when it is
-> received, the equivalent U.S.$ as per the current exchange rate
-> including commissions either meets or exceeds the draw entry fee plus
-> a processing fee of 10%.  Failure to do so will result in your money
-> being returned to you, and your entry being voided.  It should be
-> understood that sending any form of cash via international mail is
-> always risky, and that it is possible we will not receive all
-> entries, therefor we will notify you of receipt of your entry as well
-> as your draw number within 48 hours of its receipt by email, or
-> surface mail in the case you have no email address.  Prizes will be
-> awarded to the holders of draw numbers up to the amount specified
-> based on the equivalency of a one to four ratio of receipted moneys.
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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: from demon forger, to fraud, to murder threats
Date: 1996/04/02
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when in <828271275.1259@machine5.demon.co.uk>, 
i saw these words:

  "Everyone I've emailed in this group has been given a
   different name by myself. Therefore, Mancini told
   james I was "Trevor Reed". If anyone was going to
   fall for koput's ridiculously simple mindgame, I
   was sure it wasn't going to be him.... ho hum...
 
   Sometimes people have to think ahead. Here's some
   evidence for you Linda, to start making a case
   against me:
 
   I'm going to kill your accounts Linda, then i'm
   going to kill your credit rating so your little
   flower shop folds, then i'm going to kill you.
   Yes, that's me, "Trevor Reed"."

i wasn't surprised to see that post's "From" line
read: "TReed@tiktok.demon.co.uk (Trevor Reed)."
the ticktok.demon.co.uk was the originator of
several of the forgeries from demon in the past year.
others passed through the same machine5 site.

some people felt all along that demon management were
involved in the forgeries and that they would allow then
to continue. whether or not demon management were
involved, the forgeries continued.

now, with a clear threat of hacking, fraud and murder, some
people think that even demon will act. i predict that they 
will not.

i'm curious as to how many system admins out there would
not only allow repeated forgery from the same user but also
allow threads of fraud and murder.

some related questions: how long will it be before
irresponsible providers (like demon, imo) cause the 
internet to be more tightly regulated?

someday, some nut will threaten to kill someone and then
they'll do it. what type of liability do the sites which carry
such material and continue to carry it have in a case such as
this? should they have any liability? do they have any
responsibility?

oh, that murder threat was posted to talk.abortion, demon.local,
alt.flame.james-koput, alt.flame, aus.flame.

the article's path was:

Path: mserv.wizvax.net!usenet.logical.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xavier.cybersmith.com!news.kei.om!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.roundabout.org!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!machine5.demon.co.uk

what would you do if you were a sysadmin along this
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In article <4jsstf$fvb@wizvax.wizvax.net> 
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) writes:

:when in <828271275.1259@machine5.demon.co.uk>, 
:i saw these words:

:  "Everyone I've emailed in this group has been given a
:   different name by myself. Therefore, Mancini told
:   james I was "Trevor Reed". If anyone was going to
:   fall for koput's ridiculously simple mindgame, I
:   was sure it wasn't going to be him.... ho hum...
 
:   Sometimes people have to think ahead. Here's some
:   evidence for you Linda, to start making a case
:   against me:
 
:   I'm going to kill your accounts Linda, then i'm
:   going to kill your credit rating so your little
:   flower shop folds, then i'm going to kill you.
:   Yes, that's me, "Trevor Reed"."

:i wasn't surprised to see that post's "From" line
:read: "TReed@tiktok.demon.co.uk (Trevor Reed)."
:the ticktok.demon.co.uk was the originator of
:several of the forgeries from demon in the past year.
:others passed through the same machine5 site.

Keegan was unable to prove any of his claims against FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk.

All his claims are pure fabrication. 

Even when he posts libelous articles like this to various newsgroups,
he can't come up with any proof at all.

I recall seeing some forgeries posted through Demon's *public* mail2news
gateway. Anybody can post a forgery through public gateways via telnetting
to some compliant news server's port 25 (smtp).

In Keegan's case, the news server used was news.magic.mb.ca.
I've never seen any clarification from magic.mb.ca about this.
i.e Keegan's accusations against FyRE are lies, until proven otherwise.

:some people felt all along that demon management were
:involved in the forgeries and that they would allow then
:to continue. whether or not demon management were
:involved, the forgeries continued.

Define "some people", Keegan. Another wild guess, I assume.

:now, with a clear threat of hacking, fraud and murder, some
:people think that even demon will act. i predict that they 
:will not.

:i'm curious as to how many system admins out there would
:not only allow repeated forgery from the same user but also
:allow threads of fraud and murder.

:some related questions: how long will it be before
:irresponsible providers (like demon, imo) cause the 
:internet to be more tightly regulated?

Somebody posted a good anecdote about this: If somebody harass you on the
phone, would you call the phone company irresponsible? Demon is not
a common carrier. But if you want to sue FyRE, I wish you a good luck.
You're gonna need it.

:someday, some nut will threaten to kill someone and then
:they'll do it. what type of liability do the sites which carry
:such material and continue to carry it have in a case such as
:this? should they have any liability? do they have any
:responsibility?

Crap. FyRE (or whoever) posted this, posted a joke. Not very 
tasteful, though. 

FyRE's name is *not* Trevor Reed, therefore he probably made the "threat",
because nobody could sue "Trevor Reed", because that individual doesn't
really exist. 

If somebody takes crap posted to alt.flame seriously, I'd suggest him
to make an appointment with a psychiatrist.

:oh, that murder threat was posted to talk.abortion, demon.local,
:alt.flame.james-koput, alt.flame, aus.flame.

ROTFL.

:the article's path was:

:Path: mserv.wizvax.net!usenet.logical.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xavier.cybersmith.com!news.kei.om!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.roundabout.org
!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!machine5.demon.co.uk

:what would you do if you were a sysadmin along this
:post's path?

I would like to get more information about the flamewar between the
participants (FyRE and Linda Mendoza).

Then I would suggest you to take a stress pill and think twice before you
post caca like this to various newsgroups.

All "Demon-forgery"-threads were crossposted between talk.abortion, demon.
local, and *alt.flame* (which is a juvenile newsgroup where people
use abusive language and post flames against eachother in friendly? manner.)

Keegan constantly crossposts his boring threads to alt.(f)lame.

Probably because he wants to get more and more abusive posters from 
alt.flame to take part in his offensive crusade against his "enemies".
i.e he wants to create as much negative attention as he can.

This is ridiculous.

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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: demon forger restates death threat
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references: <828146258.24035@tiktok.demon.co.uk> <4jou69$dfc@tribune.concentric.net> <wotanDpBz7y.4CF@netcom.com> <828646872.16902@tiktok.demon.co.uk>
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In article <828646872.16902@tiktok.demon.co.uk>,
FyRE <FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...] 
: What's his physical address? I think i'll nip over and give him a good
: beating too - before I kill Linda...

i wonder the hinted-at same group of people who use
demon as the site to forge from will post as many death
threats as they have forgeries.

how many have heard the report that the
forgers/(death-threateners) are, in fact, 
demon staff?





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From: wotan@netcom.com (Wotan)
Subject: Re: demon forger restates death threat
Date: 1996/04/05
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references: <828146258.24035@tiktok.demon.co.uk> <wotanDpBz7y.4CF@netcom.com> <828646872.16902@tiktok.demon.co.uk> <4k25r7$3jo@wizvax.wizvax.net>
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In article <4k25r7$3jo@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
>In article <828646872.16902@tiktok.demon.co.uk>,
>FyRE <FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[...] 
>: What's his physical address? I think i'll nip over and give him a good
>: beating too - before I kill Linda...
>
>i wonder the hinted-at same group of people who use
>demon as the site to forge from will post as many death
>threats as they have forgeries.
>
>how many have heard the report that the
>forgers/(death-threateners) are, in fact, 
>demon staff?

Better watch yourself Jimbo.

Williams might decide to take a page from your book and press the slander 
point.  Him being the only "Demon Staffer" to respond to you.

And then only to tell you to shut up and stop harrassing demon users.

-- 
Nothing is better than Sex.
Masturbation is better than nothing.
Therefore, Masturbation is better than Sex.




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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: demon forger restates death threat
Date: 1996/04/07
Message-ID: <4k7al0$heo@mserv.wizvax.net>#1/1
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In article <wotanDpE97s.FCM@netcom.com>, wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) wrote:
: In article <4k25r7$3jo@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
: james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
: >In article <828646872.16902@tiktok.demon.co.uk>,
: >FyRE <FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >[...] 
: >: What's his physical address? I think i'll nip over and give him a good
: >: beating too - before I kill Linda...
: >
: >i wonder the hinted-at same group of people who use
: >demon as the site to forge from will post as many death
: >threats as they have forgeries.
: >
: >how many have heard the report that the
: >forgers/(death-threateners) are, in fact, 
: >demon staff?
: 
: Better watch yourself Jimbo.
: 
: Williams might decide to take a page from your book and press the slander 
: point.  Him being the only "Demon Staffer" to respond to you.

are you suggesting that dave williams is the demon forger? or one of
the demon forgers?



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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: why did don lloyd forge?
Date: 1996/04/09
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In article <4ka89n$fct@news.inc.net>, dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
:  
: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that help you sleep
:  at
: >: night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
: 
: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.

the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."

why did you forge your version of it? were you frightened 
of something?



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From: dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man)
Subject: keegan@wizvax.net is a liar
Date: 1996/04/09
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keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
  
>: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
>: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
 
>: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.

>the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
>shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."

I edited for brevity, something you do all the time. 

>why did you forge your version of it? were you frightened 
>of something?

Liar. I forged nothing. I correctly attributed your text from a 
genuine post authored by you. There is no forgery unless 
you want to include every article you post with unmarked
deletions in that definition. I have dozens archived. Shall I 
repost them all under the header: Keegan is a forger?

That would be a real surprise to many people, I'm sure.

So? Shall I?


--
dlloyd@inc.net (Don Lloyd)

Stormchasers do it in the rain....




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From: launchba@ecid.cig.mot.com (Phil Launchbury)
Subject: Re: from demon forger, to fraud, to murder threats
Date: 1996/04/09
Message-ID: <316a2666.3413039@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>#1/1
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organization: Motorola ECID
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keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

>when in <828271275.1259@machine5.demon.co.uk>, 
>i saw these words:
>
>some people felt all along that demon management were
>involved in the forgeries and that they would allow then
>to continue. whether or not demon management were
>involved, the forgeries continued.
>

Anyone that thinks that probably thinks that the little green men from Mars
are running the White House.. Could you please get it into your head that
Demon are a NETWORK PROVIDER. They do not run and have very little
responsibility for all their satellite sites (I should know - I have one at
home).

>now, with a clear threat of hacking, fraud and murder, some
>people think that even demon will act. i predict that they 
>will not.

Personal agenda? Sounds like a good case of pre-judgement..

>
>i'm curious as to how many system admins out there would
>not only allow repeated forgery from the same user but also
>allow threads of fraud and murder.

Ask the sysadmin at tiktok.demon.co uk then.. not the Sysadmin at demon.net

>
>some related questions: how long will it be before
>irresponsible providers (like demon, imo) cause the 
>internet to be more tightly regulated?

ROTFLM! Do you know ANYTHING about what you are wittering on about?
You obviously have had a bad experience with ONE Demon subscriber site & so
you assume that the same holds for all Demon sites? 

>
>someday, some nut will threaten to kill someone and then
>they'll do it. what type of liability do the sites which carry
>such material and continue to carry it have in a case such as

None. As far as I am aware, Demon Internet is not responsible for anything
done by one of their subscribers. They may pull a site for breaches of the
AUP but you will have to convince them that a breach has occurred.

>oh, that murder threat was posted to talk.abortion, demon.local,
>alt.flame.james-koput, alt.flame, aus.flame.
>

Hmm... Notice anything about the groups? Like mostly flame groups.. I'd go
home & have a nice cup of hot chocolate if I were you..

>the article's path was:
>
>Path: mserv.wizvax.net!usenet.logical.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xavier.cybersmith.com!news.kei.om!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.roundabout.org!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!machine5.demon.co.uk
>
>what would you do if you were a sysadmin along this
>post's path?
>

Nothing - Sysadmins are not responsible for the content of the data that
they store (or at least not in the UK.. with the US I'm not so sure..).

Phil.

PS - some remarkably strange newsgroups in the header.. I trimmed a few to
the ones where this might be vaguely on topic..

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Phil Launchbury                      Systems Engineer - Motorola ECID
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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Pushmonkey J. Zeppelin)
Subject: Re: keegan@wizvax.net is a liar
Date: 1996/04/09
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In <4kcufi$eod@news.inc.net>,
dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|>: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
|  
|>: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
|>: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
| 
|>: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
|
|>the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
|>shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
|
|I edited for brevity, something you do all the time. 
|
|>why did you forge your version of it? were you frightened 
|>of something?
|
|Liar. I forged nothing. I correctly attributed your text from a 
|genuine post authored by you. There is no forgery unless 
|you want to include every article you post with unmarked
|deletions in that definition. I have dozens archived. Shall I 
|repost them all under the header: Keegan is a forger?
|
|That would be a real surprise to many people, I'm sure.
|
|So? Shall I?
|
Hey, that sounds like it might damage Jimmy's "reputation".  It might
even "cost him income."  Watch out, he might threaten to sue you!
--
                         Pushmonkey J. Zeppelin <pjz@sccsi.com>
                         http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
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From: dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man)
Subject: Re: keegan@wizvax.net is a liar
Date: 1996/04/10
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pjz@sccsi.com (Pushmonkey J. Zeppelin) wrote:
>dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>|keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>|> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>|>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>|>: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
  
>|>: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
>|>: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
 
>|>: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.

>|>the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
>|>shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."

>|I edited for brevity, something you do all the time. 

>|>why did you forge your version of it? were you frightened 
>|>of something?

>|Liar. I forged nothing. I correctly attributed your text from a 
>|genuine post authored by you. There is no forgery unless 
>|you want to include every article you post with unmarked
>|deletions in that definition. I have dozens archived. Shall I 
>|repost them all under the header: Keegan is a forger?

>|That would be a real surprise to many people, I'm sure.

>|So? Shall I?

>Hey, that sounds like it might damage Jimmy's "reputation".  It might
>even "cost him income."  Watch out, he might threaten to sue you!

I'm not worried. There's a long line of potential suitees ahead of
me. He still hasn't made good on his threat to sue Mancini. As for
his reputation, he would have to first prove that he has one. I don't
think he has that much money.



--
dlloyd@inc.net (Don Lloyd)

Stormchasers do it in the rain....




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From: dlyons@stats.tcd.ie (Donal Lyons)
Subject: SPAM (was Re: Hot Lusty Adult XXX News Sites???)
Date: 1996/04/11
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organization: Department of Statistics, Trinity College Dublin
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In article <dsnow-1004961108570001@irv-ca6-20.ix.netcom.com>,
dsnow@ix.netcom.com (Dave) wrote:

><snip> I am
> looking to create a few news sites about sports and business. Does anyone
> know how to go about doing so? 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From: dsnow@ix.netcom.com (Dave)
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Hot Lusty Adult XXX News Sites???
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:08:57 -0800
Organization: Netcom
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NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-20.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Apr 10  1:10:13 PM CDT 1996

    I am wondering how certain titles of newsgroups get created. It seems
that some of the adult groups have some pretty rank names. Is there any
regulations or rules you have to follow when you create a news site? I am
looking to create a few news sites about sports and business. Does anyone
know how to go about doing so? 
Thanks,
Dave

-- 
_________________________________________________________________
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One of the easiest ways to make great money in your spare time!
Free web page just for joining!
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-- 
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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: don lloyd "defends" his forgery
Date: 1996/04/14
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In article <4kcufi$eod@news.inc.net>, dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: > dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: >: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
:   
: >: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
: >: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
:  
: >: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
: 
: >the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
: >shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
: 
: I edited for brevity, something you do all the time.

i doubt that readers will accept your cowardly and 
dishonest remark as an excuse for your actions.

i think it is fair for readers to judge yoru character and 
honesty no only by your "misquoting" but by your cowardly 
backpedal when you got caught.

run along sonny.



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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: has don lloyd forged yet again??
Date: 1996/04/14
Message-ID: <4kppec$cqa@mserv.wizvax.net>#1/1
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In article <4kfj4m$cdk@news.inc.net>, dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: >dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

: >: >i see you are so frightened of me that you repeated your 
: >: >lie again. don't you think that reders remember you 
: >: >couldn't support it the first time, sonny, or any time
: >: >since.
:  
: >: They are more likely to remember that the list has been posted 
: >: and reposted. 
: 
: >those imaginare "posts" and "reposts" that not a single 
: >person has been able to come up with a single copy of, eh? 
: >heh. if kiddies like you are going to misrepresent, 
: >at least make some effort to make your lies appear 
: >somewhat believable.
: 
: I have a copy, Jimmy, I'm just not bothering to post it. 

did you forge that "copy" whuch you are afraid to post as 
you have forged in the past?



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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: don lloyd "defends" his forgery
Date: 1996/04/14
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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.net) wrote:
: In article <4kcufi$eod@news.inc.net>, dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: : keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: : > dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
: : >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: : >: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
: :   
: : >: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
: : >: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
: :  
: : >: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
: : 
: : >the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
: : >shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
: : 
: : I edited for brevity, something you do all the time.

: i doubt that readers will accept your cowardly and 
: dishonest remark as an excuse for your actions.

: i think it is fair for readers to judge yoru character and 
: honesty no only by your "misquoting" but by your cowardly 
: backpedal when you got caught.

: run along sonny.

Jim, you are insane. You continue to prove this is a public forum, over 
and over. I would like you to call one of the mental health services in 
Troy, and get some help. You are a danger to both yourself and others.
we only want you to get well, Jim.




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Pomposity J. Zilliondollar)
Subject: Re: don lloyd "defends" his forgery
Date: 1996/04/14
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In <4kpp81$cqa@mserv.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|In article <4kcufi$eod@news.inc.net>, dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|: > dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|: >: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
|:   
|: >: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
|: >: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
|:  
|: >: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
|: 
|: >the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
|: >shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
|: 
|: I edited for brevity, something you do all the time.
|
|i doubt that readers will accept your cowardly and 
|dishonest remark as an excuse for your actions.

What excuse do you use then, Fuckhead?
--
                        Pomposity J. Zilliondollar <pjz@sccsi.com>
                        http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Looked beneath his shirt today
   there was a wound in his flesh so deep and wide
From the wound a lovely flower grew
   from somewhere deep inside
                                     - Sting



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From: dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man)
Subject: Re: don lloyd "defends" his forgery
Date: 1996/04/15
Message-ID: <4ksl3j$rjc@news.inc.net>#1/1
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keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: > dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: >: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
   
>: >: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
>: >: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
  
>: >: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
 
>: >the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
>: >shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
 
>: I edited for brevity, something you do all the time.

>i doubt that readers will accept your cowardly and 
>dishonest remark as an excuse for your actions.

I don't doubt that a cynical bastard like you would understand
honesty if it were glued to a fastball and drilled between your
eyes. Besides, you missed the point. Selective deletions
appear to be dishonest only when committed by others. You
seem to feel you're above any Usenet standard and can commit
these acts at will without appreciating the contradiction of your
position. You stop doing it, I'll stop doing it. That is something
readers will understand perfectly, hypocrite.

>i think it is fair for readers to judge yoru character and 
>honesty no only by your "misquoting" but by your cowardly 
>backpedal when you got caught.

Strawman. Strawman. Strawman. You are simply trying--very
desperately, I might add--to deflect attention from your letter
to Andrew Beckwith's system administrator. You've deleted
or ignored any reference to the act. The readers know better,
in fact, many of them have a copy of the letter. Try and bluff
your way past that, fuckhead.

>run along sonny.

Not a chance, not until you stop posting or retract your cowardly
attempt to pull Beckwith's account.


--
dlloyd@inc.net (Don Lloyd)

Stormchasers do it in the rain....




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From: dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man)
Subject: Keegan chants: liars, cowards, and forgers oh my....
Date: 1996/04/15
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keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: >dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

>: >: >i see you are so frightened of me that you repeated your 
>: >: >lie again. don't you think that reders remember you 
>: >: >couldn't support it the first time, sonny, or any time
>: >: >since.
  
>: >: They are more likely to remember that the list has been posted 
>: >: and reposted. 
 
>: >those imaginare "posts" and "reposts" that not a single 
>: >person has been able to come up with a single copy of, eh? 
>: >heh. if kiddies like you are going to misrepresent, 
>: >at least make some effort to make your lies appear 
>: >somewhat believable.
 
>: I have a copy, Jimmy, I'm just not bothering to post it. 

>did you forge that "copy" whuch you are afraid to post as 
>you have forged in the past?

Why would I need to forge a legitimate article? Not only does the
article exist, but numerous posters have attested to the veracity
of your election to the Council of Net.Idiots, TWICE. Given that you
are convinced Usenet is populated with liars, cowards, and forgers,
you need only access DejaNews for a bonafide copy of the article
in question. Then you needn't take our word for it. Methinks you are
afraid to take that step for fear of what you'll find. I think you'll 
continue with the same old song with that frightened look:

Liars, cowards, and forgers oh my...

Liars, cowards, and forgers oh my...

Fuckhead.


--
dlloyd@inc.net (Don Lloyd)

Stormchasers do it in the rain....




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From: dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man)
Subject: Re: don lloyd "defends" his forgery
Date: 1996/04/15
Message-ID: <4ksog3$smv@news.inc.net>#1/1
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keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: > dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
>: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
>: >: >hausmann@netcom.com (John Hausmann) wrote:
   
>: >: >: You know keegan, mancini now knows where you live. Does that 
>: >: >:help you sleep at night? You have after all surmised that he is insane.
  
>: >: >mancini's existence should trouble anyone's sleep.
 
>: >the sentence you quoted was "coward mancini's existence 
>: >shouldn't trouble anyone's sleep."
 
>: I edited for brevity, something you do all the time.

>i doubt that readers will accept your cowardly and 
>dishonest remark as an excuse for your actions.

I doubt that a cynical bastard like you would understand
honesty even if it were glued to a fastball and drilled between 
your eyes. Besides, you missed the point. Selective deletions
appear to be dishonest only when committed by others. You
seem to feel you're above any Usenet standard and can commit
these acts at will without appreciating the contradiction of your
position. You stop doing it, I'll stop doing it. That is something
readers will understand perfectly, hypocrite.

>i think it is fair for readers to judge yoru character and 
>honesty no only by your "misquoting" but by your cowardly 
>backpedal when you got caught.

Strawman. Strawman. Strawman. You are simply trying--very
desperately, I might add--to deflect attention from your letter
to Andrew Beckwith's system administrator. You've deleted
or ignored any reference to the act. The readers know better,
in fact, many of them have a copy of the letter. Try and bluff
your way past that, fuckhead.

>run along sonny.

Not a chance, not until you stop posting or retract your cowardly
attempt to pull Beckwith's account.


--
dlloyd@inc.net (Don Lloyd)

Stormchasers do it in the rain....




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Pezdispenser J. Zagnut)
Subject: Re: Keegan chants: liars, cowards, and forgers oh my....
Date: 1996/04/15
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In <4ksl43$rjc@news.inc.net>,
dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|> dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|>: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|>: >dlloyd@inc.net (Marathon Man) wrote:
|>: >: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|
|>: >: >i see you are so frightened of me that you repeated your 
|>: >: >lie again. don't you think that reders remember you 
|>: >: >couldn't support it the first time, sonny, or any time
|>: >: >since.
|  
|>: >: They are more likely to remember that the list has been posted 
|>: >: and reposted. 
| 
|>: >those imaginare "posts" and "reposts" that not a single 
|>: >person has been able to come up with a single copy of, eh? 
|>: >heh. if kiddies like you are going to misrepresent, 
|>: >at least make some effort to make your lies appear 
|>: >somewhat believable.
| 
|>: I have a copy, Jimmy, I'm just not bothering to post it. 
|
|>did you forge that "copy" whuch you are afraid to post as 
|>you have forged in the past?
|
|Why would I need to forge a legitimate article? Not only does the
|article exist, but numerous posters have attested to the veracity
|of your election to the Council of Net.Idiots, TWICE. Given that you
|are convinced Usenet is populated with liars, cowards, and forgers,
|you need only access DejaNews for a bonafide copy of the article
|in question. Then you needn't take our word for it. Methinks you are
|afraid to take that step for fear of what you'll find. I think you'll 
|continue with the same old song with that frightened look:
|
|Liars, cowards, and forgers oh my...
|
|Liars, cowards, and forgers oh my...
|
|Fuckhead.
Fuckhead.
--
                         Pezdispenser J. Zagnut <pjz@sccsi.com>
                         http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
"In this proud land we grew up strong... We were wanted all along
I was taught to fight, taught to win... I never thought I could fail."
                                - Peter Gabriel & Kate Bush



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From: Jason Rasku <ue342@ciao.trail.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Militant Non-Vegetarianism
Date: 1996/04/26
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folowupto: news.admin.net-abuse

On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Greg Pavlov wrote:

> 
> Jason Rasku (ue342@ciao.trail.bc.ca) wrote:
> : 	Since this person (by his own admition) has only one goal in his 
> : life (to follow up on messages "inapropriately posted to 
> : alt.food.mcdonalds*") and believes in an eye for an eye, I sugest that 
> : those who really want to make his life a living hel reply to every single 
> : message he posts with just one line added to the quoted material.  I'm 
> : sure that he'll appreciate it...
> : 
> 
>   Yes, it is very clear that what you have to tell people is of such import and
>   weight that you just *have	* to jumpupanddown and..and..and... make sure that
>   everybody....mommy, daddy, andandand just *everybody* hears what *you* have
>   to say.... just like any other 3-yr old ... but unfortunately, older 
>   physically, so you spam a bunch of usenet groups instead.
> 
>   It would be nice if you and the AR's in this group (who initiate 90+% of the
>   crossgroup spams) grew up without help.  Until they do, Chris and I and a few
>   others will "remind" you each and every time you are rude (we were parents;
>   we learned patience).


	Commiting net abuse in the name of getting rid of it is not a 
legitmate way to call your spams legitamte.  Spamming for any reason is 
illagitimate.  I do not spam.  You may consider the above spam but in my 
oppinion it is no more (even less) spam then your message.  Mind you I 
don't know if yours went into the newsggroup or not.  This is because 
despite the fact that it showed up in my mailbox I feel like making a 
pain of myself just to show that you and Chris are such wonderful 
people.  I'm sorry but 6 messages with one line added to original content 
sent to 5 or more groups is considered spam in my books.  The WHOLE 
content was not the same, so spam scanners do not catch it.  Hence you 
guys have not yet been captured and cancled because of your inapropriate 
activity.  But soon I suspect.  

>   greg pavlov
> 
>   P.S.: I would think very carefully before initiating electronic "wars". 
>         Like Saddam, you may not comprehend what you are getting into.

	It was you who declared war.  It was just that I feel that if one 
decairs war they deserve to have retaliation.  And soon enough I think we 
will start to see that retaliation.  We will see.  I don't know how long 
you two have been up to your childish (yes your behavior is QUITE 
childish) behaviour because you feel that "any message in 
alt.food.mcdonalds*" that does not have anything to do directly with 
McDononalds should result in a flame..  I'm sorry I don't take well to 
being called a child vby one who jumps up and down and says "so and so is 
saying mean things and is a three year old"  Which is what both of you 
are doing...


							Jason Rasku

-- 
Line added to signature file for thos who do not strip the signature files...
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From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)
Subject: Re: Militant Non-Vegetarianism
Date: 1996/04/27
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91-CIAO.960426103618.8398D-100000@ciao.trail.bc.ca>, Jason Rasku <ue342@ciao.trail.bc.ca> writes:
<net wars stuff deleted between Jason and the spammers in alt.mcdonalds>

	I don't know about anybody else but I wittle down the newsgroups
line when I know which group the person(s) to whom I am responding resides
and I never crosspost.  This even included alt.mcdonalds for most (I believe
Kevin Hebert resides there).  Pavlov's and GreenHalgh's behaviour has meant
that now I deliberately leave alt.mcdonalds in the newsgroups line as a
stand against would-be net.police such that their behaviour exacerbates the
situation rather than helps sort out irrelevant crossposting.

	Greenhalgh is an electronics oik in Ohio University and appears to
have no sanction from the computer services there to do what he does.  I
suggest, Jason, that you contact the postmaster (and through him, the
manager there who has already had dealings with Greenhalgh on this issue).
Further, I suggest you contact the head of the University over the
behaviour of one of his employees.  Personally, I can live quite happily
by ignoring Greenhalgh's spams as they have no effect on my use of the 'Net
at all and I've agreed with the comp services manager at Ohio University not
to take further action at the University if Greenhalgh stays out of my
mailbox.  If it bothers you that much then I suggest you take legimate
action first as Ohio University appears prepared to listen if approached
correctly.  Good luck.

	David.

-- 
I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.  I said I didn't know.
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From: cgreenha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Militant Non-Vegetarianism
Date: 1996/04/27
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In article <1996Apr27.103209.11509@terminus.ericsson.se> david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes:

>        I don't know about anybody else but I wittle down the newsgroups
>line when I know which group the person(s) to whom I am responding resides
>and I never crosspost. 

This is a lie. Mr Bold has purposely spammed the McD's groups. He has stated so
in the past.

>Pavlov's and GreenHalgh's behaviour has meant
>that now I deliberately leave alt.mcdonalds in the newsgroups line as a
>stand against would-be net.police such that their behaviour exacerbates the
>situation rather than helps sort out irrelevant crossposting.

Mr. Bold has made a redundent statement. In the first line he claims he doesnt 
crosspost, and now says that he deliberately does so. 

It is EXACTLY people like Mr. Bold who are responsible for the unneeded cross-
postings, and spamming that has made Usenet the cluttered mess that it has 
become over recent years.

>        Greenhalgh is an electronics oik in Ohio University and appears to
>have no sanction from the computer services there to do what he does.

I never have claimed to have "sanctions" from the university. My views and
posts are my own, and dont neseccarily reflect the views from my employer.

>I suggest, Jason, that you contact the postmaster (and through him, the
>manager there who has already had dealings with Greenhalgh on this issue).

Jason and Mr. Bold have both contacted the my postmaster, and as you can see,
I am still here. This University does not belive in censorship, and/or 
discrimination.

>Further, I suggest you contact the head of the University over the
>behaviour of one of his employees.

Feel free. My conduct here has nothing to do with my job preformance.

>Personally, I can live quite happily
>by ignoring Greenhalgh's spams as they have no effect on my use of the 
'Net>at all and I've agreed with the comp services manager at Ohio University 
not>to take further action at the University if Greenhalgh stays out of 
my>mailbox.

Oh really!? I have not been advised, or ordered, to stay out of anybodies mail 
box. If I see fit to corospond with someone, I will send to their mailbox.

I do have an agreement with my service though, just like any other, and as long
as I follow those guidlines, I can conduct myself as I wish.

>If it bothers you that much then I suggest you take legimate
>action first as Ohio University appears prepared to listen if 
approached>correctly.  Good luck.

I find it interesting that the "David Bold's" of Usenet will spend so much time
and energy trying to defend themselves from improper netiquette, and abuse,
when they could simply and easily help make Usenet a better place for all, with
half the energy and time.

It is this small group of people that make Usenet a bad place for all the rest 
of us.

Whats that saying? Just a few bad apples makes the whole basket bad?

Take care all.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: ckg+@osu.edu (cgreenha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: cgreenha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Militant Non-Vegetarianism
Date: 1996/04/27
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In article <1996Apr27.103209.11509@terminus.ericsson.se> david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes:

>Further, I suggest you contact the head of the University over the
>behaviour of one of his employees. 

The president of The Ohio State University is E. Gordon Gee. But
let me share a little information for Mr. Bold.

Here in the states, we have this thing called the Constitution.
Among other things, it guarentees certain rights to US citizens,
two of them being "Freedom of speech" and the "Freedom to express
yourself". I dont know how things are done in the UK Mr. Bold, but
if you have a problem with our "rights", I suggest you contact my
Government. Our current president is Bill Clinton, and he would
probably be a good place to start for you.

And what "behavior" are you refering to? My posts that say "Please
keep this out of the alt.mcdonalds.* groups.  Thank you."? These are
indeed harsh words...if you find them offensive, or somehow illegal, 
then by all means follow up to whom ever you want, but be advised, 
here in the US, what you say and do on your own time cant be held 
against your employment.

I can see it now...my pink slip, under reason for termination;

"Was our best employee, but on his own time, posted a message to the
internet that the great self-proclaimed, full of himself, net cop Mr.
Bold, found inapropriate for Usenet, hence, had no other choice but
to terminate his employment."

Please Mr. Bold...if in fact you can be punished at work for what you
say and do on your own time in the UK, I truely feel sorry for you and 
your country, but dont hold your breath trying to change that in the 
future here in the states...but none the less...good luck with your
plight.

Take care.



Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: ckg+@osu.edu (cgreenha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: David Bold <jz47@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Militant Non-Vegetarianism
Date: 1996/04/28
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cgreenha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) wrote:
>In article <1996Apr27.103209.11509@terminus.ericsson.se> david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes:

>>Pavlov's and GreenHalgh's behaviour has meant
>>that now I deliberately leave alt.mcdonalds in the newsgroups line as a
>>stand against would-be net.police such that their behaviour exacerbates the
>>situation rather than helps sort out irrelevant crossposting.
>
>Mr. Bold has made a redundent statement. In the first line he claims he doesnt 
>crosspost, and now says that he deliberately does so. 
>
>It is EXACTLY people like Mr. Bold who are responsible for the unneeded cross-
>postings, and spamming that has made Usenet the cluttered mess that it has 
>become over recent years.

You know, I think I will post my personal net policy here
although this is does not mean it is open for discussion.

1.  I never initiate crossposts and I see no point in the
    mechanism at all.

2.  I disagree quite strongly with those who do initiate
    crossposts and especially in rec.food.veg.

3.  I reserve the right (provided my by service providers)
    to respond to crossposted messages without altering the
    newsgroups line.

4.  If I know that my message only has relevance to specific
    readers or newsgroups and no other then I tend to trim
    the newsgroups line.  Indeed, I've recently trimmed the
    uk.legal group from a number of my messages.

5.  I occasionally act on polite requests from individuals
    to remove newsgroups from the message even when I know
    there are readers who might have an interest in responding.

That's it as a general rule.

What is quite sad is that this thread would have gone the way
of all threads eventually and died out long ago if not for the
coercion and antics of you, Chris.  It certainly would not be
in alt.mcdonalds at all as *I* would have removed it when traffic
from that group died down if I could as there is little of worth
from that group anyway to rec.food.veg.  In fact, rec.food.veg
has an amazing lack of crosspost originators at present after a
bad spate a few months ago.

You may continue with your net.violence on the newsgroups to your
heart's content and I shall exercise my "freedom of speech" to
suggest courses of action to those who find your antics
disagreeable.  If, at some time in the future, you wish to adopt
a more positive, practical and sensible approach to the
rec.food.veg <-> alt.mcdonalds irrelevent traffic then I can
tentatively offer my support.  Until such time, I doubt we have
anything further to say to each other.  I've ignored your other
reply and will probably continue to do so with any others.

David.





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From: wyattcoppl@atlantech.net (Wyatt Copple)
Subject: Re: Where's Grubor ??
Date: 1996/04/28
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	I think people can be held legally accountable for 
threats they make on USENET. It appears as though Grubor 
might soon be. USENET is not immune from the law - nor are 
the people who use/abuse it.  It is not unAmerican to hold 
people responsible for their actions - especially when their 
actions include threats to mutilate you. 

	This is not censorship, but self-defense. Noone has a 
right to threaten to mutilate anyone. 



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http://www.iac.co.jp/~issho/stop-spam.html  

has been updated.  Many thanks to all cooperative 
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From: spielman@best.com (A.I.S)
Subject: Re: Where's Grubor ?
Date: 1996/04/29
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In article <4m2k65$4tt@ganesh.lm.com>, DrG@manus.org wrote:

> The Entire Thread Here is Copyright by a Manus, Inc. subsidiary,
> and it is solely and completely owned by Grubor, who
> has all exclusive production rights to this story
> in any other medium.


Hmmm...I seem to recall that one must *pay* for the filing of a
copyright.  Just *declaring* that you have one does not quite cut it...oh
well...
I do wonder how long these  silly threads will prevail?  Granted, there
have been some amusing exchanges going on, especially various & sundry
claiming to be big, bad 'nam vets with combat decorations out to HERE. As
if it would impress...


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From: cybercaf@aladdin.co.uk (Jeremy Smith)
Subject: RESEARCH: Spam haters wanted by UK television company
Date: 1996/05/02
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Hi there.

I'm making a TV series about the net, and I'm trying to find someone
who can get to London in June to explain on TV exactly why spam is so
universally hated, preferably citing some examples of spam they have
recieved.

Hoping to hear from you,

Jeremy Smith
Researcher
---------------------------------------------
Cyber.Stories, the ITV series showing what's
really happening online.
http://www.meridian.tv.co.uk/cyber/index.html
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From: Dr. Otto <rileyt@infi.net>
Subject: Spam = Jerry Lewis
Date: 1996/05/02
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Dear Jeremy - Spam isn't "hated."  You have entirely the wrong angle on
this.  Spam is to meat what Jerry Lewis is to movies.  You wouldn't say
Jerry is hated.  An object of parody, a lightning rod for differences of
strong opinion, a focal point for detractors and advocates [would the
opposite of detractor be tractor?], a unique offering in a marketplace of
sameness; that's Jerry, and that's Spam.  But hate?  No.  Even those who
speak ill of this pleasurable, pink, porcine product have  tried it,
maybe liked it, and just love to poke fun at it.  Its origins were in
World War II where millions of soldiers learned to both like and detest
the Spam meal under terrible conditions.  Since then these ambivalent
responses to Spam have passed from generation to generation, and you see
this social phenominon reflected on the net today.  Spam is now an
international social icon; one of the stepping stones to future global
cooperation and harmony, simply because different cultures can hold the
same views of this produce irrespective of their cultural traditions or
historical development.  Cooo-el.  "Hate" never really enters into it. 
Cheers.

Dr. Otto                         -Live in Natural Harmony
Purveyor of Wisdom



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From: cra@servtech.com (Curtis R. Anderson)
Subject: Re: MICHAEL REUSS OF HEWLETT-PACKARD
Date: 1996/05/03
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In article <31874E7D.4FD6@earthlink.net>, Ed McCloskey
<edmccloskey@earthlink.net> decided to enlighten us with:

>Like your other ars buddies, you have not answered the ethics 
>question about whether it's ok for someone to make posts under
>their company's banner without the company's permission.
>As an HP employee you say that they do not condone or support such
>behavior.  That's good.  What do you say about such behavior?

I say that I change my .sig file again.

I also say to recall folks like David Bonnell (using his Ford Body
Engineering account to post Co$ propaganda) and Brian
Wanker^H^H^H^H^Henger at some government agency with his excessive
posting of Official Clam Prattle when he should have posted it once a
month and set the Expires: header appropriately.

Seeing that the clams got knocked for a loop with their actions against
Grady and Keith, they are going into lower gear in their Great Usenet
Guerilla War: back to extra-legal activity like whining like spoiled
brats to the ISP when they can't get their way.

One difference between them and, say, the Viet Cong would be that the
clams are the ones who are having the spotlight turned upon them,
watching them scurry like cockroaches under the floorboards, rather than
having the critics not used to working under the intense spotlight.
--
Curtis R. Anderson, "Official Chicken Breeder of Hill 10", SP 2.5?, KoX
URLs: http://www.servtech.com/public/cra/ mailto:cra@servtech.com
      ftp://ftp.servtech.com/pub/users/cra/
Opinions mine (not Service Tech's!) unless marked otherwise!!!




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Subject: Re: bincancel:24 large binaries:AR340:@@NCM
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The FUCKHEAD WHO CENSORS THE NET, said:
>>>Binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups


Uh, who made this 'rule'?  And where's the official 'rule book'?  

It's a net courtesy not to post large binaries, and we can take 
care of abusers ourselves, just like spammers, etc.  We don't need 


your censorship!


>>>I run a program that searchs for, and issues advisory cancels 
>>>for, large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and 


>>>sci hierarchies.


WHO THE *FUCK* DO YOU THINK YOU *ARE*??!!

Leave the net alone, asshole.....

//JustSomeGuy//

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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: a *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/18
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In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
: In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: *shazam!*
: 
: > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
: 
: Quite, keegs.  Quite.

did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?



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From: Friday <friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: a *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/18
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In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
> : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : *shazam!*
> : 
> : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
> : 
> : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
> 
> did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
> still on my back waving my legs in the air.

It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement" and I post only 
for myself.

-- 
I'm pink therefore I'm spam.



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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/19
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In article <832454628snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
: In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
:  wrote:
: > : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
: > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > : 
: > : *shazam!*
: > : 
: > : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
: > : 
: > : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
: > 
: > did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
: > still on my back waving my legs in the air.
: 
: It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement"

thanks for confirming that demon management not only 
encourages forgery but posts it.

it just a matter of time before sites as corrupt as demon 
appeared, given the growth of the net.



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From: Friday <friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/19
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In article <4nn1m1$2j4_002@keegan.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> In article <832454628snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
> : In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
> :  wrote:
> : > : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
> : > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : > : 
> : > : *shazam!*
> : > : 
> : > : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
> : > : 
> : > : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
> : > 
> : > did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
> : > still on my back waving my legs in the air.
> : 
> : It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement"
> 
> thanks for confirming that demon management not only 
> encourages forgery but posts it.

I did no such thing.  You, and I, said "amnagement", which has sod all
to do with Demon management.  You silly little boy.

> it just a matter of time before sites as corrupt as demon 
> appeared, given the growth of the net.

The only net.growth I see here is yourself, keegan.

-- 
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Subject: Re: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.net) wrote:
: In article <832454628snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
: : In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
: :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: : 
: : > In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
: :  wrote:
: : > : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
: : > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: : > : 
: : > : *shazam!*
: : > : 
: : > : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
: : > : 
: : > : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
: : > 
: : > did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
: : > still on my back waving my legs in the air.
: : 
: : It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement"
: 
: thanks for confirming that demon management not only 
: encourages forgery but posts it.
: 
: it just a matter of time before sites as corrupt as demon 
: appeared, given the growth of the net.

James G. Keegan jr seems to be confused here.  Luckily I'm pleased
to be able to assist.

Mr Keegan seems to believe that Friday is a member of the Demon
management team.  A simple mistake to make as Friday's claim to
be an insane, old foetus membrane did have the same letters in it
as the word *management*, although not in the same order.

"amnagement" - amn: from the word Amnion: The innermost membrane
               enclosing the foetus before birth.

             - age: rather obvious, although in the orginal form the
               root word was aged.  The d having been lost after the
               English Civil war (1642 - 1648), when the victorious
               parliamentary forces placed a letter tax on all the
               letter "d"s that appeared in words beginning with the
               letter "a" with a medical or legal meaning.

             - ment: from the word "mental".

--
Steve




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From: Friday <friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
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In article <9605191413.AA001hj@prostsol.demon.co.uk>
           steve@prostsol.demon.co.uk "Steve Farr" writes:

> Mr Keegan seems to believe that Friday is a member of the Demon
> management team.  A simple mistake to make as Friday's claim to
> be an insane, old foetus membrane did have the same letters in it
> as the word *management*, although not in the same order.
> 
> "amnagement" - amn: from the word Amnion: The innermost membrane
>              - age: rather obvious, although in the orginal form the
>              - ment: from the word "mental".

Gee, thanks for the help, Steve.  I think...

-- 
Space Corps Directive 1742

No member in the Corps should ever report for active duty in a ginger toupee.



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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: still another *new* demon.co.uk forgery
Date: 1996/05/19
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In article <832511860snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk wrote:
: In article <4nn1m1$2j4_002@keegan.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > In article <832454628snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
:  wrote:
: > : In article <4nl7pe$3ho_004@keegan.wizvax.net>
: > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > : 
: > : > In article <832362623snz@cobalt.demon.co.uk>, friday@cobalt.demon.co.uk
: > :  wrote:
: > : > : In article <4ni7rf$1qk_006@keegan.wizvax.net>
: > : > :            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > : > : 
: > : > : *shazam!*
: > : > : 
: > : > : > Help!  I've fallen, and I can't get up.
: > : > : 
: > : > : Quite, keegs.  Quite.
: > : > 
: > : > did demon amnagement ask you to forge that?  oh an by the way i'm
: > : > still on my back waving my legs in the air.
: > : 
: > : It is well known that I *am* "demon amnagement"
: > 
: > thanks for confirming that demon management not only 
: > encourages forgery but posts it.
: 
: I did no such thing. 

your after-the-fact denials don't change your remarks 
which are still included above.



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From: whitelotus@coolone.com (White Lotus)
Subject: Threatening E-Mail Received: Need Technical Help
Date: 1996/05/19
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I have been getting hundreds of harassive e-mail bombs from a person
with a Linux account. Once I announced that I had automatically
Procmailed all of this mail to Special Agent Tony Young Department of
Criminal Investigations, I got threats from a separate source listed
below. 

I am seeking technical advice, perhaps from people who want to see
this kind of threat off the Internet. 




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From: "Donald R. Oddy" <donald@grove.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/19
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In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

>Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
>:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

[unanswered snip restored]

>: >his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
>: >bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
>: >fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
>: >formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
>: >
>: >(demon had no liability for such things until they were
>: >notified, btw.)
>: >
>: So the great james j. keegan jr. is an expert on English law now.
>: Perhaps he can quote the case where it was ruled that a person
>: is liable for the actions of it's customers.

[end of restoration]

>: >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>: 
>: Now this is clearly libelous
>
>you know nothing of libel, do you?

Clearly more than you do. It is a defamatory statement and therefore
libelous. You may have the justification of truth *if* you can prove
it in court to the satisfaction of the jury. Until you have done so
I and no doubt many others will continue to describe it as libel.
Failed attempts to prove the justification of truth are regarded as 
agravating the offence.

I am waiting for the case reference supporting your claim that
Demon are liable for the actions of their customers.

>: , you are lucky it is so expensive
>: to sue for libel because otherwise they would probably do so
>: and would certainly win.
>
>demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
>expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
>suspect.

The legal fees in libel cases are generally in the hundreds of
thousands of pounds. You could of course reduce them by admitting
your guilt and apologising at an early stage.

>i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
>demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
>don't you?

I have seen your repeated allegations, attempting to justify this
libel, so I had no reason to encourage you to repeat them. None of 
them provide any evidence of corruption.

-- 
Donald



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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/19
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In article <4b2r3v$eff@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4auqi1$h3s@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
>
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> : > ===begin unrestore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> : > ===end unrestore unmarked deletion
> :
> : That's better.
>
> i can see why you'd say that. chuckle.

I said it because there is less of your nonsense to plow through.  

> : > : Can you post a photocopy of your warrant, or legal writ of any kind,
> : > : that entitles you to demand them?  Thanks.
> : >
> : > you were doing better when you were forging, sonny.
> :
> : Can't do it, eh, Keegan?
>
> you'll have to post your credentials, not me, yollo.

Zanca asked you to produce your writ.  It is plain that you are 
not able to do so.

I have already answered your question about legal credentials in 
another thread, so your implication that i had dodged the 
question was dishonest.  My answer was that I am not legally 
qualified, but that I had taken part in several court cases in 
Britain, and have reference books on British law at my side. 

> : You want to know who Fyre is, all you
> : need to do is convince a court that there is a civil case to
> : answer, and they will require Demon to reveal his name and
> : address.
>
> yes. i know.
>
> : So, why don't you do that?  Don't you think you have a
> : case?
>
> that's not my area of expertise. uk attorneys think i do
> though. of course, much has happened since fyre and any
> action should include all relevant matters, don't you
> agree?

Why not.  Make sure that you have a contingency fund to cover 
your defamation of Demon management.

--
THE QUEEN                            THE KING
         OF HEARTS                           RAN OUT OF
                  NOW LOVES THE KNAVE                  Burma-Shave



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From: enki@ccnet.com (Enki)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/19
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951218130131.4585E-100000@voyager.cris.com>,
PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:
> 
> >       Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
> >       unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
> > 
> >       Big Ears.
> >       
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
> posting period?

You know, dearie, if you want him to pay more attention to you there are
easier ways of going about it.

-- 
You never know which of us is posting, unless we specifically say so.
                         Guy and/or Karen



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From: msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57)
Subject: Forgery alert! - SIrrImI acIklIyorum!!
Date: 1995/12/19
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The article below is a forgery.

* From ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news 19 Dec 1995 17:55:04 GMT
* Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news
* From: Mustafa Soysal MS57 <msoysal@mistik.express.net>
* Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
* Subject: SIrrImI acIklIyorum!!
* Date: 19 Dec 1995 17:55:04 GMT
* Organization: MISTIK Systems (info@express.net for account info) (313) 741-1844
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* 
* Ben hasta Trabzonluyum aGbi yaGh, Cemencenun sapinu da
* sapinu da sapinnuuu..






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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/20
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PURESILK (Puresilk@cris.com) wrote:


: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:

: > 	Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
: > 	unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
: > 
: > 	Big Ears.
: > 	
: > 
: > 
: > 
: Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
: posting period?

In view of the fact that your harassment of my sysadmin has obviously
failed in removing me from the net, what other options do you have
available, Jimbo?

--
In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
 
Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
 
-- KMH




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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/20
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Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
: firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.

: second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??


: go fight your personal battles elsewhere

"Bucky" has just been nominated for "Idiot of the Year."

--
In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
 
Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
 
-- KMH




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On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:

> PURESILK (Puresilk@cris.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> : On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:
> 
> : > 	Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
> : > 	unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
> : > 
> : > 	Big Ears.
> : > 	
> : > 
> : > 
> : > 
> : Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
> : posting period?
> 
> In view of the fact that your harassment of my sysadmin has obviously
> failed in removing me from the net, what other options do you have
> available, Jimbo?


Harrassment? I doubt Keegan is harrassing your sysadmin. If anyone is 
harrassing anyone, it's you by cross-posting to all these irrelevant 
newsgroups.



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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/20
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PURESILK (Puresilk@cris.com) wrote:


: On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:

: > PURESILK (Puresilk@cris.com) wrote:
: > 
: > 
: > : On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:
: > 
: > : > 	Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
: > : > 	unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
: > : > 
: > : > 	Big Ears.
: > : > 	
: > : > 
: > : > 
: > : > 
: > : Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
: > : posting period?
: > 
: > In view of the fact that your harassment of my sysadmin has obviously
: > failed in removing me from the net, what other options do you have
: > available, Jimbo?


: Harrassment? I doubt Keegan is harrassing your sysadmin. If anyone is 
: harrassing anyone, it's you by cross-posting to all these irrelevant 
: newsgroups.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Shit Jim, YOU'RE the one who adds all sorts of irrelevant groups!
Remember when I said "That's awfully white of you." and you instantly
crossposted it to the Negro newsgroups? Or what about my comments about
the non-talent that Selina has, and how she was wasted by one of her 
own race. You sent that one to all the mexican newsgroups. Hell, you've
even regularly crossposted crap to the houston.* newsgroups.
It seems the only ones you've seems to miss is the neosoft local groups,
because I think you realize by now that the administration here won't
put up with your crap.

Now run along, little boy, and spread your lies somewhere else.

--
In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
 
Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
 
-- KMH




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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/20
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PURESILK (Puresilk@cris.com) wrote:


: On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:

: > Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
: > : firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.
: > 
: > : second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??
: > 
: > 
: > : go fight your personal battles elsewhere
: > 
: > "Bucky" has just been nominated for "Idiot of the Year."

: Maybe "Bucky" will drop a line to ellyn@neosoft.com to complain about YOUR
: harrassment.

Especially since you've discovered that your whining is politely ignored.

--
In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
 
Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
 
-- KMH




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On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:

> Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
> : firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.
> 
> : second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??
> 
> 
> : go fight your personal battles elsewhere
> 
> "Bucky" has just been nominated for "Idiot of the Year."

Maybe "Bucky" will drop a line to ellyn@neosoft.com to complain about YOUR
harrassment.



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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
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In article
<Pine.SUN.3.90.951220020338.29801F-100000@mariner.cris.com>,
PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> wrote:
|On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:
|> Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
|> : firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.
|> : second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??
|> : go fight your personal battles elsewhere
|> 
|> "Bucky" has just been nominated for "Idiot of the Year."

|Maybe "Bucky" will drop a line to ellyn@neosoft.com to complain about YOUR
|harrassment.

Take your cheesy threats elsewhere, whorish netcop scum.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Doc says:
"You may all kiss my Rebel dick."




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Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
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Please take demon.local out of this.
-- 
Tim Crowther (at Home)
[ Never trust a software engineer with a screwdriver ]



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In article <819395887snz@grove.demon.co.uk>
           donald@grove.demon.co.uk "Donald R. Oddy" writes:

> In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
>            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
>
> >demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
> >expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
> >suspect.
>
> The legal fees in libel cases are generally in the hundreds of
> thousands of pounds. You could of course reduce them by admitting
> your guilt and apologising at an early stage.

I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
the winner's legal fees.

--
THE QUEEN                            THE KING
         OF HEARTS                           RAN OUT OF
                  NOW LOVES THE KNAVE                  Burma-Shave



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Hi, Russ,

Haven't noticed your name before. Welcome to the group. Enjoy.
-- 
David (t'Real one)
<These are the good old days we will
be longing for in a few years time



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I do apologize to everyone on these newsgroups for replying to Mancini's
post and allowing them to be x-posted. I only answered 2 posts and from
now on I will remove these newsgroups from the headers as so not to no 
longer bother you people with this petty silliness.

Linda

On 20 Dec 1995, Dr. Michael Mancini wrote:

> Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
> : firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.


> 
> : second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??
> 
> 
> : go fight your personal battles elsewhere
> 
> "Bucky" has just been nominated for "Idiot of the Year."
> 
> --
> In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
> Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
> >Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
>  
> Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
>  
> -- KMH
> 
> 
> 



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azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) wrote:

>And he's a selfish bully too.

>I've met him. Trust me.

>The nose is healing nicely.

Thank Ged for that! As long as you haven't lost your looks
Adny............

Gaye

UKMC#9





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From: Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/22
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Puresilk, I have done just that.  apparently this loser has to change 
access providers rather frequently.  

Must be tough being a school boy in the real world!




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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/22
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Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk wrote:
: Puresilk, I have done just that.  apparently this loser has to change 
: access providers rather frequently.  

You must be speaking of Keegan.

--
In article <4b2550$7hr@uuneo.neosoft.com>,
Dr. Michael Mancini <mancini@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Fuck off, Kebbie, or I'll spank your ass from the net, as I did months ago.
 
Took enough time away from "Melrose Place" to type in this lame?
 
-- KMH




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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: covering up ..
Date: 1995/12/23
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In article <4avl3k$evu@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> : In any case, Demon mark posts that go through their gateways with 
> : the X-NNTP-Posting-Host: line, which makes forgeries obvious.
> 
> can you prove that demon does this in 100% of the posts
> which pass through demon?
> 
> careful now.

Well, you have presumably admitted, by your lack of response,
that the exchange between us over whether I was FyRE or a 
Demon employee did occur, and also that you had no response 
to it. I think that proves you a liar. Your lack of response
proves you a coward. Your accusations of me being a coward,
and dishonest, now prove you to be a hypocrite.

Now, let's move on. On more than one occasion you accused me 
of reposting the anti-gay article purportedly written by you.
I did not repost the article. Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk was
the site from which the article was reposted. Now, are you
accusing anyone on the node tauzero.demon.co.uk of reposting
the article, which demonstrably did not happen, or are you 
accusing me of being the re-poster of the article, which
would make me Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk?

Your  answer please - have you wrongly accused Mike@tauzero,
or am I Ghost@machine5?

Your answer, your apology, or your total departure from
demon.local are all equally acceptable to me.

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed



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On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Enki wrote:

> In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951218130131.4585E-100000@voyager.cris.com>,
> PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:
> > 
> > >       Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
> > >       unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
> > > 
> > >       Big Ears.
> > >       
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
> > posting period?
> 
> You know, dearie, if you want him to pay more attention to you there are
> easier ways of going about it.
> 

Actually sweetie, I am trying to rid the man of his obsession for me.

> -- 
> You never know which of us is posting, unless we specifically say so.
>                          Guy and/or Karen
> 
> 



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From: ttoews@agt.net (Tony Toews)
Subject: Re: Reposting Re Comm Card
Date: 1995/12/25
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Steve Winter <74107.210@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

Mr Winter

>This is a reposting of an article that was illegally canceled by a
>known newsgroup vandal and hacker Ralph Valentino (ralf@worcester.com).
>If you have seen this here recently, please excuse this reposting.

Yes, we've seen it here a number of times and no I won't excuse your
repeated repostings.

>Press Release: 
>The STB 4COM card is now available with alternate addressing that
>allows up to 4 of the cards (16 serial ports) in one machine using
>Ray Gwinn's famous SIO drivers under OS/2.  It also works quite well
>with Linux and other Unix based platforms.

This is obviously a commercial posting.  Mr Valantino's cancellation
was completely in order.  Please don't post commercial messages.  This
message, or one with a very similar content, was posted on 11/24/95, a
few days prior to 12/19/95, 12/19/95 and again 12/20/95.   Hardly a
press release.

This is getting real boring.

Tony

Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant
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From: enki@ccnet.com (Enki)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/26
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951223013414.19965C-100000@mariner.cris.com>,
PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Enki wrote:
> 
> > In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951218130131.4585E-100000@voyager.cris.com>,
> > PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> wrote:
> > 

[Unnecessary test removed]

> > > Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
> > > posting period?
> > 
> > You know, dearie, if you want him to pay more attention to you there are
> > easier ways of going about it.
> > 
> 
> Actually sweetie, I am trying to rid the man of his obsession for me.
> 

By drawing attention to youself? Say do you run naked thru the streets to cure
yourself of a bad cold? You are, it appears, as stupid as has been said of you.
Poor thing, such a handicap to bear in the information age.

-- 
You never know which of us is posting, unless we specifically say so.
                         Guy and/or Karen



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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: is pgregg@nyx.net another sysadmin run amok?
Date: 1995/12/26
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In article <1995Dec17.191907.4783@queens-belfast.ac.uk>,
Paul Gregg <u9540903@qub.ac.uk> wrote:
: Firstly my apologies to everyone following this thread in a group which they
: feel is innapropriate.

you should apologize for your misrepresentations,
rather than your crossposts. i see time hasn't eroded
your dishonesty.

: Who am I? My name is Paul Gregg, pgregg@nyx.net, User Support on Nyx.
: I work for NIWEB Internet Marketing Ltd, pgregg@niweb.com.  I've had
: quite a few run-ins with Mr Keegan, some of it enjoyable, some of it
: not, and it gets less fun as you go along as you realise that logic
: and reason has no meaning for Mr Keegan.
: 
: Here is a document freely available on Nyx about the whole Keegan/Nyx
: fiasco. I apologies for its length 

shouldn't you apologize for its misrepresentations?

why don't you demonstrate your level of credibility by
pointing to the file containing a description of the
entire matter in the form of all of the posts on the
matter rather than focusing on the ravings of andrew
burt, a sysadmin run amok.

why don't you explain why spordon, the forger, is
posting from nyx, and the few who complained about his
forgeries had their accounts closed, including the
forgee. 

why don't you also explain how andrew burt
created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
those people and tried to have their accounts closed
for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
post.

i predict you'll run from your misrepresentations, as
you have in the past.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/26
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Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: >: >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: >: 
: >: Now this is clearly libelous
: >
: >you know nothing of libel, do you?
: 
: Clearly more than you do. It is a defamatory statement and therefore
: libelous. 

guilty until proven innocent, eh?

[...]
: >demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
: >expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
: >suspect.
: 
: The legal fees in libel cases are generally in the hundreds of
: thousands of pounds. 

how exciting! surely, you are encouraging me to take
them for as much as i can get.

: >i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
: >demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
: >don't you?
: 
: I have seen your repeated allegations, attempting to justify this
: libel

i have never tried to justify demon's crimes.






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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/26
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...] 
: I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
: the winner's legal fees.

that statement rings with the same credibility as your
lie about having been called "Imo."





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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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In article <4bqbg5$k6l@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : >: >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> : >: 
> : >: Now this is clearly libelous
> : >
> : >you know nothing of libel, do you?
> : 
> : Clearly more than you do. It is a defamatory statement and therefore
> : libelous. 
> 
> guilty until proven innocent, eh?

Libel, eh? That's like when you libelled me by saying that I 
reposted the anti-gay article, and even demanded that I 
apologise for doing so, when, in fact, I had not done so.

You are a lying, cowardly hypocrite.

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [...] 
> : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
> : the winner's legal fees.
> 
> that statement rings with the same credibility as your
> lie about having been called "Imo."

Hey, lying cowardly hypocrite keegan, here's some questions for 
you:

Am I FyRE or am I a Demon employee?
Have you ever suggested I am FyRE?
Have you wrongly accused Mike@tauzero, or am I Ghost@machine5?

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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In article <4bqbg5$k6l@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : >: >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> : >:
> : >: Now this is clearly libelous
> : >
> : >you know nothing of libel, do you?
> :
> : Clearly more than you do. It is a defamatory statement and
> : therefore libelous.
>
> guilty until proven innocent, eh?

You are thinking of criminal law again.  In a civil case, the 
presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt provisions of 
criminal law do not apply.  Both parties are on an equal footing, 
and the issue is decided on the balance of evidence.  You keep 
falling into this confusion, and it shows how little experience 
you have with the law. 

> [...]
> : >demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
> : >expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
> : >suspect.
> :
> : The legal fees in libel cases are generally in the hundreds of
> : thousands of pounds.
>
> how exciting! surely, you are encouraging me to take
> them for as much as i can get.

Just remember that the loser is made to pay the other side's fees 
and court costs as well as his own.

> : >i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
> : >demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
> : >don't you?
> :
> : I have seen your repeated allegations, attempting to justify this
> : libel
>
> i have never tried to justify demon's crimes.

Demon have committed no crimes.  You have defamed them 
repeatedly.  Falsely accusing them of crimes is yet another 
defamation.

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         OF HEARTS                           RAN OUT OF
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [...]
> : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay
> : the winner's legal fees.
>
> that statement rings with the same credibility as your
> lie about having been called "Imo."

You really know nothing about the law, do you?  It is the case 
that in Britain the loser in a civil case is usually made to pay 
the costs of the winner as well as his own costs and whatever 
damages are awarded.  Just as it is the case that you called me 
"Imo". 

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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > [...] 
: > : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
: > : the winner's legal fees.
: > 
: > that statement rings with the same credibility as your
: > lie about having been called "Imo."
: 
: Hey, lying cowardly hypocrite keegan, here's some questions for 
: you:

uh uh.

you lied and made a false claim. i asked you to support
your claim, knowing that you could not. so now you call
me names.

it seems you are a coward as well as a liar.

[..]




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > [...]
: > : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay
: > : the winner's legal fees.
: >
: > that statement rings with the same credibility as your
: > lie about having been called "Imo."
: 
: You really know nothing about the law, do you?

that statement too rings with the same credibility as your
lie about having been called "Imo."

you lied and falsely claimed that i called you "Imo."
you got caught. since then, you have demonstrated your
cowardice by repeating your lie.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/27
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[...] 
: Demon have committed no crimes.  You have defamed them 
: repeatedly.  Falsely accusing them of crimes is yet another 
: defamation.

that statement rings with the same credibility as your
lie about having been called "Imo."




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From: Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu (Paul Lambert)
Subject: Re: is pgregg@nyx.net another sysadmin run amok?
Date: 1995/12/27
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In article <4bqb65$jt3@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
[...]
:: Here is a document freely available on Nyx about the whole Keegan/Nyx
:: fiasco. I apologies for its length 
:
:shouldn't you apologize for its misrepresentations?

why should he apologize for something fabricated by
your deranged mind and a few other minds similarly
out of touch with reality?

:why don't you demonstrate your level of credibility by
:pointing to the file containing a description of the
:entire matter in the form of all of the posts on the
:matter rather than focusing on the ravings of andrew
:burt, a sysadmin run amok.

janda@netcom.com has these posts available for ftp'ing.
calling andrew burt names will not change the reality
of the proof of your lunacy contained in the posts.

:why don't you explain why spordon, the forger, is
:posting from nyx, and the few who complained about his
:forgeries had their accounts closed, including the
:forgee. 

you had your acount closed for violating nyx policy
(ignoring a sysadmin's requests). keith cochran lost
his account in a matter unrelated to the forgeries.
"the few" implies three or more. who's the third?

:why don't you also explain how andrew burt
:created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
:nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
:post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
:those people and tried to have their accounts closed
:for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
:post.

you were called to defend this misrepresentation from
the time you first posted it, but instead you've merely
kept repeating it, as you have done here yet again.

:i predict

your predictions, like your claims, have little to do
with reality.







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From: Derek Tidman <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: is pgregg@nyx.net another sysadmin run amok?
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In article <4bqb65$jt3@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

<i predict you'll run from your misrepresentations, as
<you have in the past.

                       *Double Chuckle*

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From: filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

>: I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
>: the winner's legal fees.
>
>that statement rings with the same credibility as your
>lie about having been called "Imo."

You prove once again that you know nothing about English law, and you admit
that you did call Iolo "Imo" since as you indicate both statements are
equally true.

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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bso9e$mit@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : > [...] 
> : > : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
> : > : the winner's legal fees.
> : > 
> : > that statement rings with the same credibility as your
> : > lie about having been called "Imo."
> : 
> : Hey, lying cowardly hypocrite keegan, here's some questions for 
> : you:
> 
> uh uh.
> 
> you lied and made a false claim. i asked you to support
> your claim, knowing that you could not. so now you call
> me names.
> 
> it seems you are a coward as well as a liar.
> 
> [..]

So why not anser the questions, keegan? Too much of a coward? 
Too much of a liar? And why are you calling me a coward and a 
liar, when I have posted evidence for my claims?

keegan, your answers please:

Am I FyRE or am I a Demon employee?
Have you ever suggested I am FyRE?
Have you wrongly accused Mike@tauzero, or am I Ghost@machine5?


-- 
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                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bsocu$mnl@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : > [...]
> : > : I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay
> : > : the winner's legal fees.
> : >
> : > that statement rings with the same credibility as your
> : > lie about having been called "Imo."
> : 
> : You really know nothing about the law, do you?
> 
> that statement too rings with the same credibility as your
> lie about having been called "Imo."

You are hardly one to talk about credibility, keegan. Your 
credibility has gone along with your refusal to answer my simple 
questions.

keegan, your answers please:

Am I FyRE or am I a Demon employee?
Have you ever suggested I am FyRE?
Have you wrongly accused Mike@tauzero, or am I Ghost@machine5?

-- 
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                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bsogo$mvd@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [...] 
> : Demon have committed no crimes.  You have defamed them 
> : repeatedly.  Falsely accusing them of crimes is yet another 
> : defamation.
> 
> that statement rings with the same credibility as your
> lie about having been called "Imo."

This, from the being with no credibility. Come on, keegan, 
answer the questions.

Am I FyRE or am I a Demon employee?
Have you ever suggested I am FyRE?
Have you wrongly accused Mike@tauzero, or am I Ghost@machine5?

-- 
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                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4bso9e$mit@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

|uh uh.

"FyRE!  FyRE!"
--
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                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
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From: Derek Tidman <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4bqbg5$k6l@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

<: I have seen your repeated allegations, attempting to justify this
<: libel
<
<i have never tried to justify demon's crimes.

....tell us about crimes......

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In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

<Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<[...] 
<: I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
<: the winner's legal fees.
<
<that statement rings with the same credibility as your
<lie about having been called "Imo."

....you are right ...it carries the same truth.....

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In article <4bsicl$nth@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>
           Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu "Paul Lambert" writes:

<In article <4bqb65$jt3@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
<james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
<[...]
<:: Here is a document freely available on Nyx about the whole Keegan/Nyx
<:: fiasco. I apologies for its length 
<:
<:shouldn't you apologize for its misrepresentations?
<
<why should he apologize for something fabricated by
<your deranged mind and a few other minds similarly
<out of touch with reality?
<
<:why don't you demonstrate your level of credibility by
<:pointing to the file containing a description of the
<:entire matter in the form of all of the posts on the
<:matter rather than focusing on the ravings of andrew
<:burt, a sysadmin run amok.
<
<janda@netcom.com has these posts available for ftp'ing.
<calling andrew burt names will not change the reality
<of the proof of your lunacy contained in the posts.
<
<:why don't you explain why spordon, the forger, is
<:posting from nyx, and the few who complained about his
<:forgeries had their accounts closed, including the
<:forgee. 
<
<you had your acount closed for violating nyx policy
<(ignoring a sysadmin's requests). keith cochran lost
<his account in a matter unrelated to the forgeries.
<"the few" implies three or more. who's the third?
<
<:why don't you also explain how andrew burt
<:created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
<:nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
<:post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
<:those people and tried to have their accounts closed
<:for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
<:post.
<
<you were called to defend this misrepresentation from
<the time you first posted it, but instead you've merely
<kept repeating it, as you have done here yet again.
<
<:i predict
<
<your predictions, like your claims, have little to do
<with reality.

		**I can't stop laughing**
			Poor Keegsy


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In article <4bsogo$mvd@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

<Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<[...] 
<: Demon have committed no crimes.  You have defamed them 
<: repeatedly.  Falsely accusing them of crimes is yet another 
<: defamation.
<
<that statement rings with the same credibility as your
<lie about having been called "Imo."

...tell us about crimes .......

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From: pgregg@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Paul Gregg)
Subject: Re: is pgregg@nyx.net another sysadmin run amok?
Date: 1995/12/28
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Paul Lambert [Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu] wrote in nyx.external:
| james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
| [...]

| :why don't you also explain how andrew burt
| :created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
| :nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
| :post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
| :those people and tried to have their accounts closed
| :for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
| :post.

| you were called to defend this misrepresentation from
| the time you first posted it, but instead you've merely
| kept repeating it, as you have done here yet again.

Ha! I never even knew this thread was going on...
Until someone xposted it to nyx.misc, the newsgroup keegles refers to
is nyx.external, which was created to enable discussion regarding nyx
from _outside_ nyx.  As from my earlier post, the volume in nyx.misc was making
the newsgroup unusable, and so traffic has been diverted to nyx.external.
(Posts to nyx.misc, excessive crossposted and from outside Nyx are *moved*
to nyx.external).

And Andrew Burt didn't email your sysadmins asking for your account to be 
revoked for posting to nyx.external. Read the file Keegles.

Damn, Im thinking I can reason with the child again. Boy Im stupid.

 Paul.

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From: wotan@netcom.com (Wotan)
Subject: Re: is pgregg@nyx.net another sysadmin run amok?
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bv7nq$cbj@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
Paul Gregg <pgregg@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:

Since when do you pay attention the keegan-bot?  I thought you quit after 
humiliating him this spring.

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>Paul Lambert [Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu] wrote in nyx.external:
>| james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
>| [...]
>
>| :why don't you also explain how andrew burt
>| :created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
>| :nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
>| :post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
>| :those people and tried to have their accounts closed
>| :for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
>| :post.
>
>| you were called to defend this misrepresentation from
>| the time you first posted it, but instead you've merely
>| kept repeating it, as you have done here yet again.
>
>Ha! I never even knew this thread was going on...

neither did I until I saw a post from you.

>Until someone xposted it to nyx.misc, the newsgroup keegles refers to
>is nyx.external, which was created to enable discussion regarding nyx
>from _outside_ nyx.  As from my earlier post, the volume in nyx.misc was making
>the newsgroup unusable, and so traffic has been diverted to nyx.external.
>(Posts to nyx.misc, excessive crossposted and from outside Nyx are *moved*
>to nyx.external).

Which I have never subscribed to, and never will since Jimmy the bot is 
so full of shit that if he were given an enema there would be nothing left.

>And Andrew Burt didn't email your sysadmins asking for your account to be 
>revoked for posting to nyx.external. Read the file Keegles.

He doesn't understand the difference between what Andrew invited and what 
he did.  Andrew created teh group nyx.policy for this "discussion" and 
tossed mark after he refused to stop posting this nonsense to nyx.misc.  
And then he wrote the sysadmins of the assholes who insisted on posting 
to nyx.misc despite a perfectly valid newsgroup (2 actually) being 
created.  It was after this he created nyx.external to eliminate all of 
the continuing BS.

>Damn, Im thinking I can reason with the child again. Boy Im stupid.

If you want to fly to the US, you can borrow my baseball bat to continue 
your attempts at "enlightening keegan".
-- 
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From: "Donald R. Oddy" <donald@grove.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/28
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In article <4bqbg5$k6l@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

>Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
 
>: Clearly more than you do. It is a defamatory statement and therefore
>: libelous. 
>
>guilty until proven innocent, eh?

Correct! 
Libel, as a civil offence does not follow the rules of criminal
proof and it is up to the defendant to prove that his statement
is true.

>: The legal fees in libel cases are generally in the hundreds of
>: thousands of pounds. 
>
>how exciting! surely, you are encouraging me to take
>them for as much as i can get.

It is usually the lawyers who benefit from the legal fees. Of course
if the jury decided you had no reputation to damage they would award 
you the traditional half-penny and leave you to pay your own costs.

>: >i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
>: >demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
>: >don't you?
>: 
>: I have seen your repeated allegations, attempting to justify this
>: libel
>
>i have never tried to justify demon's crimes.

You have not provided any evidence of Demon committing any crimes,
every post you make repeats your own.

-- 
Donald



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In article <4bqbka$k9h@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

>Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[...] 
>: I don't think he even realises that the loser usually has to pay 
>: the winner's legal fees.
>
>that statement rings with the same credibility as your
>lie about having been called "Imo."

At last! Keegan admits that he called Iolo, Imo.

Legal costs are usually, but not always awarded to the winner in a
civil case. This is at the discretion of the judge.

-- 
Donald



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From: janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
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[Uh...Chainsaw taken to followups.]

In article <4bsicl$nth@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>,
Paul Lambert <Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu> wrote:
>james g. keegan jr. <keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net> wrote:
>[...]
>:: Here is a document freely available on Nyx about the whole Keegan/Nyx
>:: fiasco. I apologies for its length 
>:
>:shouldn't you apologize for its misrepresentations?
>
>why should he apologize for something fabricated by
>your deranged mind and a few other minds similarly
>out of touch with reality?

You're claiming that Keegan fabricated a posting from Paul
Gregg?  What?

>:why don't you demonstrate your level of credibility by
>:pointing to the file containing a description of the
>:entire matter in the form of all of the posts on the
>:matter rather than focusing on the ravings of andrew
>:burt, a sysadmin run amok.
>
>janda@netcom.com has these posts available for ftp'ing.

Had.  It was over 2 meg compressed, so I eventually got rid
of it.

>:why don't you explain why spordon, the forger, is
>:posting from nyx, and the few who complained about his
>:forgeries had their accounts closed, including the
>:forgee. 
>
>you had your acount closed for violating nyx policy
>(ignoring a sysadmin's requests). keith cochran lost
>his account in a matter unrelated to the forgeries.
>"the few" implies three or more. who's the third?

mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Cochra), for one.

>:why don't you also explain how andrew burt
>:created a newsgroup specifically to discuss the
>:nyx forgeries, invited people specifically by name to
>:post to that newsgroup and then wrote the sysadmins of
>:those people and tried to have their accounts closed
>:for posts to the group to which he had invited them to
>:post.
>
>you were called to defend this misrepresentation from
>the time you first posted it, but instead you've merely
>kept repeating it, as you have done here yet again.

Oh, sigh.

- - ---Begin Included Article Fragment---
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Subject: New group - nyx.policy
Date: 1 May 1995 11:51:51 -0600
Message-ID: <3o373n$lnk@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Since
	1) the high volume of postings on this Keegan thing have
	   swamped nyx.misc;
	2) it is common practice to create new groups based on volume;
	3) Nyx users have repeatedly complained to me that the ongoing
	   flame fest in nyx.misc is a nuisance, is harassment, has no
	   remaining merit, and should be stopped; and
	4) the contestants are claiming that the real issue is
	   really Nyx policy (not vengeance);

Therefore:

	I have created a new group, nyx.policy.

Everyone, PLEASE:

	Do NOT post to nyx.misc about this topic, post to nyx.policy.

By "everyone" I specifically include in the request folks outside Nyx
crossposting and Keegan himself.

Please substitute "nyx.policy" for "nyx.misc" in all cases.
- - ----End Included Article Fragment----

Now, note that after this article was posted, I followed up posts
about this whole thing to nyx.policy.  If the article was posted
to nyx.misc, I posted to nyx.misc, and set followups and notified
folks that followups were going to nyx.policy.

For my efforts, Netcom Support got:

- - ---Begin Article Fragment---
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Andrew Burt: Nyx.Censor
Message-ID: <jandaD8I07C.FA0@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 03:54:48 GMT

In article <3ou3un$qef@portal.gmu.edu>, Bill McClatchie <> wrote:
>kkelly@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin Kelly) wrote:
>>Bill McClatchie () wrote:
>>: truland@wizvax.net (David W. Truland) wrote:
>>: And if he did complain about the couple of postings you have made, you were
>>: wronged.
>
>>Well he did Billy. He wrote to Trulands Sysadmins for the crime of daring
>>to follow up one of his posts and of course the prime reason, for
>>disagreeing with him. I am glad to see you have a touch of integrity to
>>admit that Truland was wronged. I hope to see you pressing Burt to
>>apologize to Truland and suggest that Burt write to Truland's sysadmins to
>>apologize for wasting their time. But somehow I doubt you will, right Billy?
>
>So far, i have seen no proof of this.
>
>I have seen Keith and Mark declaring it is so - and Dave saying he
>understood that such a complaint had been made but he had not seen it.
>
>And I hate to point this out to you, but Mark is not a reliable source, and
>keith sometimes get carried away with himself.

Headers snipped to preserve the identity of the person at netcom who
sent this to me, and no, I'm not going to quote all 850+ lines of it:

From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 22:20:57 -0600
To: postmaster@netcom.com, postmaster@wizvax.net, postmaster@rpi.edu
Subject: Abuse by two of your users

Sigh...  I'm sorry to have to involve you in this, but I don't see
any alternative when reason and logic have failed (months ago).

I apologize for the length of this, but this is a sticky and serious
subject, and not one handled with sparse words.

I'm Andrew Burt, a professor in the math/comp.sci. dept. at the University
of Denver; one of my hobbies is operating a public access internet site,
Nyx (nyx.cs.du.edu).

[And on, and on, and on.  I love how it starts with "taking whatever
action you deem appropriate", and ends on "maybe if they lose their
accounts..."]
- - --
For Andrew Burt:
"Why you do what you do, that's the point, all the rest of it is chatter."
Stephen Sondheim on ethics.  From "Into The Woods".
- - ----End Article Fragment----

Oh, here's another article I found about this:

- - ---Begin Article---
From: janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: You asked for proof, you'll get proof...
Message-ID: <jandaD942ry.M56@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 01:57:34 GMT

In article <3pskju$guj@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
Marshall Barry <mbarry@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> wrote:
>>: From the e-mail Andrew sent support@netcom.com in his stupid attempt to
>>: get my account revoked:
>>:
>>: ---Begin E-Mail Fragment---
>>: They are currently posting their harassing messages to nyx.* newsgroups,
>>: in particular nyx.misc (but also nyx.policy).
>>: ----End E-Mail Fragment----
>
>	Are you REALLY that "out of it" that you believe you can pass
>	this off on those of us who ARE capable of reading and understanding
>	English?
>	
>	He says:
>	"They are posting harassing messages to nyx.* newsgroups"
>		ok...
>	"in particular nyx.misc"
>		which you were asked to remove but did not...
>	"(but also to nyx.policy)"
>		to which you are and were posting "harassing messages"
>		... or so I believe and feel ...

Harassment, according to Andrew, is a "real world" thing, and as such
needs to be dealt with in a "real world" manner, with lawsuits and
stuff.  He has repeatedly claimed that he would not act upon a
complaint about a Nyx user harassing other people without a legal
judgement.

>	The (parenthetical statement) which, if you had bothered to
>	follow your course material in 10th grade english,
>	is an "aside", another bit of information, which has some bearing
>	on the sentence, but is neither required nor of unusual import.
>		In this case, it was merely an additional statement,
>		something he strongly felt, but was not a matter of
>		the real reason for the request.

And nothing that Andrew should have mentioned unless:

(1) His own rules do not apply to him, or
(2) He has a legal judgement against me for harassment.

>		You *ARE* right that he should not have mentioned
>		nyx.policy, but that does NOT negate the rest of the
>		sentence, nor the request that you cease posting to
>		nyx.misc from netcom.

Since the time that Andrew announced the formation of nyx.policy,
I have done the following:

Post to nyx.policy, or
If the article was already posted to nyx.misc, I cross-posted into
nyx.policy, and set followups to nyx.policy only.  This is the
accepted method of moving a thread to another newsgroup.

>	Also, do you have any PROOF that andrew asked your account be
>	"revoked"??

- - ---Begin E-Mail Fragment---
I think the matter speaks for itself, and if you get into it you may
well find yourself harassed too; however, if they lose their accounts
everywhere they go, maybe that will send them a message.
- - ----End E-Mail Fragment----

>	Why attribute malice when simple misunderstanding usually explains
>	the issue?

- - ---Begin E-Mail Fragment---
Among our 10,000 mostly well-behanved users we have
had three, James Keegan, Keith Cochran, and Mark Cochran (brothers),
who have engaged in a devisive campaign of harassment against me as
admin and our entire user population.  They have, as a result, all had
their accounts revoked within the last six months or so (first K. Cochran
voluntarily left rather than defend his tatics of harassment...
- - ----End E-Mail Fragemnt----

I don't think deliberate lies can be attributed to "simple
misunderstanding".
- - --
"And though scary is exciting, nice is different than good."
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From: pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard Ethan Latker)
Subject: Re: USA Parliament Eballot - Voting Mandatory
Date: 1996/01/03
Message-ID: <4cdq8b$i4k@tst.hk.super.net>#1/1
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WARNING: PLEASE DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SCHEMES ASSOCIATED WITH JAMES OGLE 
OR THE �USA-PAR�.

While participation in Mr Ogle's facile exercises may seem harmless, it does
in fact encourage net abuse. He and his fictitious organisation have no
legitimacy, no accountability and no supporters except a few net surfers
who play along until they wise up.

Mr Ogle posts scores of messages weekly, cluttering up various newsgroups
with self-serving, off-topic blather and deliberately spreading 
misinformation about legitimate political movements and organisations. He 
has a particular obsession for wrecking the activities of fledgling 
third-party groupings, such as the Greens and the Labor Party Advocates.

Mr Ogle has never represented any democratically constituted group, though
he has claimed a number of high-sounding titles for himself. "Secretary,
USA-Parliament" is the latest of many fictitious positions concocted by
Ogle in an attempt to lend himself authority. He has been reprimanded or
expelled by a number of organisations, including those advocating
parliamentary and proportionally representative voting systems. He
has also attempted to represent himself as an officer or candidate of
groups to which he has no affiliation whatsoever. It would be wise to view
anything posted by him with suspicion.

Richard Latker



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From: Adam <hark@hugo.curbio.com>
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/14
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pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca) wrote:
>In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>|In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
>|Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>|>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
>|>demon.
>
>|It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.
>
>|Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
>|it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
>|Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
>|or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
>|of bubblegum if I spat it your way?
>
>|Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>|should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>|enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
>
>Yes, indeed, the terrifying Keeganite Thought Patrol will CRUSH any
>and all anonymous Usenet postings.
>
>One site at a time.
>
>Demon's just going to be the first!  Soon, they'll go after Syrinx,
>then Penet, then...  Who knows?
>
>Fight the fascist Keeganite clique that wants to control YOUR Usenet.
>--
>                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
>                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
>Overall wrote:
>"NANOO NANOO, fred."
>


If what you say is true, and I am making no claim affirming or denying 
it, I seriously doubt they could succeed. Either way, it would be "bad" 
if they did.
-A.




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From: demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <818883163snz@osvif.demon.co.uk>,
Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>> 
>> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
>> 
>Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
>your question will get the proper attention it deserves.

Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
post the response he made to me?
-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <818894838snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|In article <4ajq5u$5ss@wizvax.wizvax.net>
|           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

|> Zanca wrote:
|>
|> : Then be brave, Jimmy.  File suit like a man.  You ought to be able to
|> : make a great deal of moola off of 'em, should you be correct.
|> 
|> that does seem to be the only alternative.

|So why aren't you doing it, Keegan?

Yes, Jimmy, why aren't you doing it?  Are you all bluster and no
balls?  Come come, there has been enough talk from you about "Demon
this" and "Demon that."  The time is ripe for ACTION, my boy, swift
and righteous ACTION.  So file already, or shut the fuck up.  Be a
man, Jimmy.  DO it.
| 
|> : In fact, I think Demon Internet Services, Ltd., might wish to seek the
|> : advice of a lawsmith after your having written the above.
|> 
|> i agree. that's exactly what they should do, imo.

|Now he's calling Zanca "Imo".  The man has no shame.

I don't like it when he does that any more than you do, Mr. Davidson.
It's my current thinking that, if he continues to address me in this
fashion, I shall be forced to send one of my Sicilian relatives to
instruct him in the area of manners.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <4antpv$8fp@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|In article <818883163snz@osvif.demon.co.uk>,
|Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:

|>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
|>> 
|>> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
|>> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
|>> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
|>> 
|>Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
|>your question will get the proper attention it deserves.

|Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
|post the response he made to me?

Now THAT sounds like a good idea.  Please do.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: wotan@netcom.com (Wotan)
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <4aorsf$983@monty.fido.net>, Dave Williams <dave@fido.net> wrote:

>That should be amusing, given Keegan's reputation. Anyone seriously
>concerned about net.abuse of this nature would be well-advised
>to distance themselves from this particular argument. It's another
>of Keegan's self-publicity schemes a la nyx. The Keegan Squad will
>make as much noise as possible and waste as much time as possible
>for as long as possible. You'd think by now they'd have discovered
>that there's a real world out there.

Rumor has it that keegan and his cronies did discover that their was a 
world outside of their computer terminals.  And it frightened them when 
they discovered tht people really did laugh at them.

So they went back into fantasy land are hoping to stay for the rest of 
their miserable lives.



-- 
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
           keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
> of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
> been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
> weeks.

"Posted through demon" means nothing at all.  Every article I get 
comes through demon.  The Demon mail to news gateways can be 
used to post articles by anyone on the internet.

The header you quote shows that the post you refer to came 
through uu.net, fido.net, and netcom among others.  It also shows 
that the poster was from magic.mb.ca.  Why so keen to lay 
blame on Demon?

> From netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!
> newsfeed.internetmci.com! in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!demon! 
> mail2news.demon.co.uk!aahz.magic.mb.ca Sun Dec 3 15:42:45 1995
>
> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: aahz.magic.mb.ca

You have never been able to demonstrate a forgery emanating from 
Demon, though you have made many claims.

> it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt
> management.

This statement is libelous and actionable.  I hope Demon do 
something about it.
 
> some have speculated that demon is where the forgeries
> originated.

Who, besides you?  This is another Keeganism, kiting a statement 
that he doesn't want to be made to support.

> in other words, demon management acknowledged
> notification that something ugly, something criminal
> had taken place within their system and then then
> allowed it to happen again and again.

Demon are a common carrier.  They pass on messages from other 
people, both their own customers and others that they have no 
connection with.  They even pass on your messages, including the 
ones in which you libel them.  That's how I get them.  Your 
efforts to blame Demon for every message you don't like are 
pitiful and futile.

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  

-- 
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            FOR                           ABOVE THE COLLAR
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
Message-ID: <818968101snz@mist.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
> Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
> >demon.
> 
> It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

So what?  The Demon mail to news gateways are open to anyone on 
the net.  They are not the only gateways that are public either.  
Here is a short list from an anonymous remailer FAQ:

group.name@news.demon.co.uk
group.name@dispatch.demon.co.uk
group.name@bull.com
group.name@cass.ma02.bull.com
group.name@paris.ics.uci.edu
group.name@crs4gw.crs4.it
group.name@berlioz.crs4.it
group.name.usenet@canaima.Berkeley.EDU
mail2news@c2.org
mail2news@utopia.hacktic.nl.
 
> Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?

Doesn't matter if they have a duty to do so.  It is a public 
service which is useful to many.

> Does 
> it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?

Demon add the "X-NNTP-Posting-Host:" line, that shows the 
poster's real host.  That is how the post in question can be 
shown not to be from Keegan's known hosts.  That is the Internet 
standard method of foiling forgery, and it has worked in the 
example given.  So how are Demon to blame?

-- 
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            FOR                           ABOVE THE COLLAR
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From: Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu (Paul Lambert)
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <wotanDJL4Du.2C5@netcom.com>, Wotan <wotan@netcom.com> wrote:
[re: keegan et al.]
:So they went back into fantasy land are hoping to stay for the rest of 
:their miserable lives.

and it's an "interesting" world indeed...

    do you jerk off when you think about dead mommies?
        keegan in <jkeeganDD8Czs.ExJ@netcom.com>

    do you get excited?
        keegan in <jkeeganDCwn6z.G4r@netcom.com>

    playing with yourself again, sonny?
        keegan in <jkeeganDCzqBu.Asv@netcom.com>

    do you jerk off when you think of mutilating someone?
        keegan in <3jbb7a$i0i@usenet.rpi.edu>

    did you get a hard on when you thought of violence?
        keegan in <3jdn01$mmj@usenet.rpi.edu>

    do you lick your lips and get a hard on when you think
    about people whom you judge to be something or other
    you don't like?
        keegan in <3je1f2$s7j@usenet.rpi.edu>

    the thing is, you really enjoyed being pissed on,
    didn't you?
        keegan in <3jn1m2$jrh@usenet.rpi.edu>

     did someone say that you were
    jerking off in mcclatchie's pink footsie pajamas?
        keegan in <3kdpke$8cd@usenet.rpi.edu>

    masturbating as you watched?
        keegan in <3l1uca$khu@usenet.rpi.edu>

    watching a death is what turns you on, eh?
    have you tried it with a plastic bag over your head?
        keegan in <3lh31j$612@usenet.rpi.edu>

    does that make you jealous? a bit sexually excited?
        keegan in <D6Jn2H.1zI@news.wizvax.net>

    do you jerk off when you defend ralph taite? do
    you jerk off more when you read his posts about
    slapping women around? do you like to slap women
    around?
        keegan in <3b8oi5$laj@usenet.rpi.edu>






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From: Terrance Richard Boyes <tez@pierrot.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
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Paul J. Zanca (pjz@sccsi.com) wrote:
> demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
> 
> |Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
> |post the response he made to me?
> 
> Now THAT sounds like a good idea.  Please do.

Now it wouldn't be private email would it...

Anyway, why would you think that Ade reads any of the apparently random
groups this article has been posted to.

Followups set, to save the sanity of those in the serious groups.

-- 
~ Warning Random Fortune Sig follows ~
T-Shirt saying: Break a few rules.




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From: Wijnand Thompson <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
<mailto:demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
> 
> In article <4aoebi$9d@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
> >demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
> >|Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >|>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> >|>> 
> >|>> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
> >|>> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
> >|>> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
> >|>> 
> >|>Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
> >|>your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
> >
> >|Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
> >|post the response he made to me?
> >
> >Now THAT sounds like a good idea.  Please do.
> 
> Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
> a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
> personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
> to protect.

Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
Lovett and/or Demon.

If you publish the email without the author's permission
to do so, you will be in breach of copyright legislation,
both here, in the U.K., and in the U.S.A.  This isn't a
matter of netiquette or privacy, it's a matter of law.

-- 
Wijnand




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From: dave@fido.net (Dave Williams)
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/14
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Paul J. Zanca (pjz@sccsi.com) wrote:
: In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
: |In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
: |Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: |>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
: |>demon.

: |It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

I note that Suzanne appears to have carefully ignored your point
as regards the 'X-NNTP-Posting-Host:' header added which clearly
indicates the site of origin of the forgery in question - even
when posted through the mail2news gateway. 

: Demon's just going to be the first!  Soon, they'll go after Syrinx,
: then Penet, then...  Who knows?

That should be amusing, given Keegan's reputation. Anyone seriously
concerned about net.abuse of this nature would be well-advised
to distance themselves from this particular argument. It's another
of Keegan's self-publicity schemes a la nyx. The Keegan Squad will
make as much noise as possible and waste as much time as possible
for as long as possible. You'd think by now they'd have discovered
that there's a real world out there.

D.



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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/14
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: 
: > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
: > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
: > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
: > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
: > 
: > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
: > notified, btw.)
: 
: They have no liability in any case.  

can you post your legal credentials in international
law? thanks.

: They are a common carrier 
: under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
some responsibility towards criminal use of their
systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
great effort to trace certain callers who have
committed crimes.

demon refused to take any action after acknowledging
notification of criminal action, actions which have
hapened repeatedly since demon acknowledged
notification.

i believe it would be ruled that demon has liability

: > it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: 
: Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.

a known liar like you would like to censor an
expression of opinion.

i believe demon management has been demonstrated to eb
corrupt. does that trouble you?

: > it is not surprising that demon is the same site
: > through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
: 
: Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
: can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
: the least wrong with providing a public service in this way

on the contrary, common carriers are required by law
to take action to prevent criminal use of their
systems, assuming demon can claim common carrier status
in all of the nations where posts from demon appear,
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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/14
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Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
[...] 
: >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: 
: Now this is clearly libelous

you know nothing of libel, do you?

: , you are lucky it is so expensive
: to sue for libel because otherwise they would probably do so
: and would certainly win.

demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
suspect.

i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
don't you?





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From: demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/14
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In article <4aoebi$9d@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
>demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>|Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>|>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>|>> 
>|>> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>|>> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>|>> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
>|>> 
>|>Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
>|>your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
>
>|Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
>|post the response he made to me?
>
>Now THAT sounds like a good idea.  Please do.

Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
to protect.

-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <ant1423101cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
><mailto:demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In article <4aoebi$9d@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
>> >demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>> >|Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >|>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>> >|>> 
>> >|>> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>> >|>> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>> >|>> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
>> >|>> 
>> >|>Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
>> >|>your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
>> >
>> >|Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
>> >|post the response he made to me?
>> >
>> >Now THAT sounds like a good idea.  Please do.
>> 
>> Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
>> a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
>> personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
>> to protect.
>
>Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
>the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
>Lovett and/or Demon.
>
>If you publish the email without the author's permission
>to do so, you will be in breach of copyright legislation,
>both here, in the U.K., and in the U.S.A.  This isn't a
>matter of netiquette or privacy, it's a matter of law.

Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
me to post the response he made to me?

-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: Wijnand Thompson <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4aqljn$d05@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
<mailto:demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
> 
> In article <ant1423101cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
> ><mailto:demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
> >> 
[Snipped]
> >> 
> >> Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
> >> a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
> >> personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
> >> to protect.
> >
> >Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
> >the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
> >Lovett and/or Demon.
> >
> >If you publish the email without the author's permission
> >to do so, you will be in breach of copyright legislation,
> >both here, in the U.K., and in the U.S.A.  This isn't a
> >matter of netiquette or privacy, it's a matter of law.
> 
> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
> me to post the response he made to me?

Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
to see why you asked the question here in the first place
and why you now repeat it.  If you wish permission to post
Ade's response to you, then it would seem sensible to ask
him directly.

-- 
Wijnand




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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
           keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> in article <818617644snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>, coward
> "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"
> 
> 
> "It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
> of a keegan anti-gay article ..."
> 
> this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
> of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
> been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
> weeks.

<snip report and abuse of demon internet services ltd>

Oh, I remember, there was something I forgot to do in my 
original reply:

==============restore unmarked deletion==============

It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost of a 
keegan anti-gay article (thanks for that, Ghost) that keegan 
uses the phrase "in my opinion" typed in full. Another 
indication that he in fact did call Io1o Imo, as if he'd meant 
"in my opinion" he'd have typed it in full.

==============end unmarked deletion ==================

Yes, I know, it should have been up there a bit. Still, it was 
an obvious piece of deceit on keegan's part because:

a) Anyone who's seen a few of my postings would know that I 
often use "..." at the end of sentences and articles

b) keegan marks text deletions with [...]

So, was keegan attempting to disguise the fact that what I 
actually said was innocuous?

Strange how he hasn't called back in to say whether he ever 
suggested that I was FyRE. I think the word to describe that 
would be "coward". Would the word to describe his editing of my 
original text perhaps be "dishonest"?

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed



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From: demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:

>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>|Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>|><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>|>
>|>..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?
>
>|Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
>|at least.
>
>Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
>author the following slander?
>
><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.


-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca) wrote:
>In article <818894838snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
>Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>|In article <4ajq5u$5ss@wizvax.wizvax.net>
>|           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
>
>|> Zanca wrote:
>|>
>|> : Then be brave, Jimmy.  File suit like a man.  You ought to be able to
>|> : make a great deal of moola off of 'em, should you be correct.
>|> 
>|> that does seem to be the only alternative.
>
>|So why aren't you doing it, Keegan?
>
>Yes, Jimmy, why aren't you doing it?  Are you all bluster and no
>balls?  Come come, there has been enough talk from you about "Demon
>this" and "Demon that."  The time is ripe for ACTION, my boy, swift
>and righteous ACTION.  So file already, or shut the fuck up.  Be a
>man, Jimmy.  DO it.
>| 
>|> : In fact, I think Demon Internet Services, Ltd., might wish to seek the
>|> : advice of a lawsmith after your having written the above.
>|> 
>|> i agree. that's exactly what they should do, imo.
>
>|Now he's calling Zanca "Imo".  The man has no shame.
>
>I don't like it when he does that any more than you do, Mr. Davidson.
>It's my current thinking that, if he continues to address me in this
>fashion, I shall be forced to send one of my Sicilian relatives to
>instruct him in the area of manners.

    Pardon my intrusion, since I'm not entirely clear on what this
thread is for, but isn't "IMO" short for "In My Opinion"?  Or does
it have some dark and sinister meaning?

>--
>                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
>                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
>Overall wrote:
>"NANOO NANOO, fred."
>




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From: na405330@anon.penet.fi (Big Ears.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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Suzanne Demitrio wrote:
> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.

Of course it is.  Don't you be silly.   Don't say or imply  ANYTHING  which
is untrue.  I think you should be using the term "Defamation" which consists
of slander (oral) and libel (anything published or broadcast).

Strongly suggest you politely apologise, in public, to the party involved
for any "misunderstanding" which may have resulted from any recent
statements you may have made.  Best to do it now and your apology does not
have to be long.  It must make clear that  you did not intend to imply
anything which was untue, your statement was made without any malicious
intent and it was only an expression of your personal opinion.

Your personal views will not get you into trouble  PROVIDING  they are very
clearly identified as a strictly personal opinion and not a statement of
fact, implied or otherwise.  Anything done with malice (both normal meaning
and the legal meaning) will make your legal position very, very vunerable.

Big Ears
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From: Tim Crowther <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4antpv$8fp@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais3.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> In article <818883163snz@osvif.demon.co.uk>,
> Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> >> 
> >> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
> >> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
> >> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
> >> 
> >Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
> >your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
> 
> Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
> post the response he made to me?
> 

Well, if the presence of Ade Lovett is a prerequisite that's
one thing. What I was wondering about was how junior claims
all this forgery when the posting host bit of the header is
automated in the mailserver ? So, what was the managements
response ?



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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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In article <ant1503351cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

><mailto:demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
>> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> ><mailto:demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>[Snipped]
>> >> 
>> >> Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
>> >> a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
>> >> personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
>> >> to protect.
>> >
>> >Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
>> >the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
>> >Lovett and/or Demon.
>> >
>> >If you publish the email without the author's permission
>> >to do so, you will be in breach of copyright legislation,
>> >both here, in the U.K., and in the U.S.A.  This isn't a
>> >matter of netiquette or privacy, it's a matter of law.
>> 
>> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
>> me to post the response he made to me?
>
>Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
>Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
>to see why you asked the question here in the first place
>and why you now repeat it.

Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
to post them had better be public.

So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
the word and I'll post.

If not, well ... they're his customers.


-- 


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pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca) wrote:

>In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>|In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
>|Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>|>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
>|>demon.

>|It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

>|Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
>|it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
>|Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
>|or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
>|of bubblegum if I spat it your way?

>|Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>|should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>|enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.

>Yes, indeed, the terrifying Keeganite Thought Patrol will CRUSH any
>and all anonymous Usenet postings.

>One site at a time.

>Demon's just going to be the first!  Soon, they'll go after Syrinx,
>then Penet, then...  Who knows?

>Fight the fascist Keeganite clique that wants to control YOUR Usenet.

I agree.  This has to stop. The Keeganite Thought Patrol can kiss my
rosy red.......

>--
>                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
>                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
>Overall wrote:
>"NANOO NANOO, fred."






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From: "Paul L. Allen" <pla@sktb.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <818968101snz@mist.demon.co.uk>
    Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk> writes:

> In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>
>            demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> 
> > In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
> > Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > >The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
> > >demon.
> > 
> > It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.
> 
> So what?  The Demon mail to news gateways are open to anyone on 
> the net.  They are not the only gateways that are public either.  
> Here is a short list from an anonymous remailer FAQ:
> 
> group.name@dispatch.demon.co.uk

I think dispatch is no longer supported.  Actually, I'm not sure that it
still exists.

> mail2news@c2.org
> mail2news@utopia.hacktic.nl.

Also mail2news@news.demon.co.uk.

> > Does 
> > it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
> 
> Demon add the "X-NNTP-Posting-Host:" line, that shows the 
> poster's real host.  That is how the post in question can be 
> shown not to be from Keegan's known hosts.  That is the Internet 
> standard method of foiling forgery,

Nope, the standard method is to examine the path header and message-ID.
However, they are not intended as security featurs and can be forged quite
easily (no, I don't do that).  Which is why Demon added the
X-NNTP-Posting-Host header, and latterly the X-SMTP-Posting-Host header so
that the true originating site would still be apparent even if the path
header were forged.  As far as I know, no other mail2news gateway implements
these features, so Demon are well ahead of the pack in terms of preventing
successful forgeries.

> and it has worked in the example given.

Indeed.

> So how are Demon to blame?

Obviously, because it passed through their mail2news gateway and because it
upset the great net.god keegan.  The fact that Demon take steps to ensure
that attempted forgeries do not succeed in fooling people is apparently
ignored.

--Paul




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From: Derek Tidman <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4asffo$594@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>
           na405330@anon.penet.fi "Big Ears." writes:

<Suzanne Demitrio wrote:
<> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.
<
<Of course it is.  Don't you be silly.   Don't say or imply  ANYTHING  which
<is untrue.  I think you should be using the term "Defamation" which consists
<of slander (oral) and libel (anything published or broadcast).

.....excuse me... would it be ok just to add, IMO..... at the end..?

-- 
Come in she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm"



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From: filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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In article <4aqljn$d05@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:

>Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
>me to post the response he made to me?

Why are you asking us? Shouldn't you address this question to Mr. Lovett?

If you want to ask the phone company a question about their usage policy,
do you stand in a shopping mall and shout at the top of your voice? Or do
you perhaps address one of the officers of that company by mail, fax or
'phone?





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From: Kim Niendorf <KIM.NIENDORF@BBSRC.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: why
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demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>
> In article <ant1423101cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
> ><mailto:demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> In article <4aoebi$9d@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
> >> >demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
> >> >|Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >|>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

Well, I'm buggered if I can follow any of this thread.  Nearly
every posting throws up a "news error - does not exist".  So, as
I am virtually totally ignorant of the mechanics of news administration,
can someone explain where these messages are going?

Assuming, of course , that this one doesn't disappear as well :-<

Kim







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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4anrr5$80t@aimnet1.aimnet.com>, 
Adam  <hark@hugo.curbio.com> wrote:
>pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca) wrote:
>>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>>|Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>|>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
>>|>demon.
>>
>>|It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.
>>
>>|Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
>>|it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
>>|Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
>>|or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
>>|of bubblegum if I spat it your way?
>>
>>|Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>>|should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>>|enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
>>
>>Yes, indeed, the terrifying Keeganite Thought Patrol will CRUSH any
>>and all anonymous Usenet postings.

What?!?!?  

Anonymous posts are posted through anon servers, and their 'From' lines
say things like "an12345@anon.penet.fi". No deception. 

Forging a post in someone else's name -- as was done here -- is *not*
posting anonymously.  You are welcome not to be you, if you like; you are
not welcome to pretend to be me. 

>If what you say is true, 

Don't worry.  It ain't.

-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
: > 
: > Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
: > a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
: > personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
: > to protect.
: 
: Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
: the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
: Lovett and/or Demon.

my guess is that abe would be embarrassed to have the
manner in which he failed to cope be exposed here. i
don't think he would have done anything  like that
without the specifical approval of his superiors.





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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
: Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
: >> Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
: >> a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
: >> personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
: >> to protect.
: >
: >Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
: >the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
: >Lovett and/or Demon.
: >
: >If you publish the email without the author's permission
: >to do so, you will be in breach of copyright legislation,
: >both here, in the U.K., and in the U.S.A.  This isn't a
: >matter of netiquette or privacy, it's a matter of law.
: 
: Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
: me to post the response he made to me?

are you surprised that there has been no reply from
abe?




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
: Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
: >demon.
: 
: It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

as have all of the recent forgeries of me. and the
slander. and the reposts of the forgeries.

: Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
: it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
: Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
: or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
: of bubblegum if I spat it your way?
: 
: Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
: should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
: enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.

some have speculated that the forgeries originated from
demon. i believe that the site administrator of beast,
the site the forgery attacking those in recovery
"allegedly" came from was one of those. regardless, all
of the forgeries and libel have one thing in common --
demon.

demon is the only site through which the forgeries have
been reposted and falsely attributed to me. the person
doing the reposting (using a demon aliad of "Ghost")
deleted in his/her repost the elements of the header
which pointed out that the post was a forgery.

"if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck ..."




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Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
: Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: 
: >           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
: >> 
: >> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
: >> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
: >> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
: >> 
: >Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
: >your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
: 
: Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
: post the response he made to me?

abe ran away from my email. it seemed to me that his
behavior was that of a corrupt sysadmin.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/15
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: The header you quote shows that the post you refer to came 
: through uu.net, fido.net, and netcom among others.  It also shows 
: that the poster was from magic.mb.ca.  Why so keen to lay 
: blame on Demon?

don't be so defensive.

all of the forgeries came through demon with one
earlier site appended to demon's gateway.

demon management had earlier confirmed notification of
illegal actions by demon users, yet continued to allow
such actions. the recent forgeries followed that
earlier dispute and, in the minds of some, are the
direct result of it. demon is the only site through
which any of the forgeries came. demon is the only site
they were reposted from.

i believe that demon management has conducted itself in
a manner which could be considered corrupt, which is
the manner in which i see it. i believe demon
management has encouraged forgery and libel as an
expression of their own malice.

the forgeries were vicious ones too, attacking the
victims of abuse and gays. it seems apparent that demon
cares not who it hurts in its mismanagement.




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From: kevin@cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/15
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
>
>[The alleged forgery] came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.
>
>Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
>it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
>Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
>or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
>of bubblegum if I spat it your way?
>
>Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.

I'm not up on British law, Suzanne, but if Demon is officially considered a 
common carrier, then it may very well be the case that they *DO* have a 
qualified duty to propagate basically anything that is offered to them. Common 
carrier status implies certain responsibilities as well as certain priveleges.

But even if they don't have any such duty, it does not logically follow from
the (asserted) absence of a duty to propagate "obvious" forgeries _ipso facto_ 
that Demon necessarily has a duty to reject them either. Perhaps it is 
entirely within their legal discretion whether to reject such posts or not. 
And maybe they choose not to.

								- Kevin



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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4as48i$a3l@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais3.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
> 
> >Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
> >author the following slander?
> >
> ><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> 
> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.

And Suzanne is perfectly right. As it is published, and not 
spoken, it is libel.

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed



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From: na405330@anon.penet.fi (Big Ears.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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Derek Tidman asked ...
> .....excuse me... would it be ok just to add, IMO..... at the end..?

Better to spell it out so that everyone knows exactly what you mean, and
then prefix your sentence with it, i.e.  "In my opinion ........".

Big Ears.
==================================================
Spare a minute to think about those sleeping on Britain's
frozen streets this Christmas and those in temporary
accommodation having no proper "normal home".
==================================================




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From: filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4as48i$a3l@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:

>In article <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
>
>>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>>|Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>>>>
>>>>..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?
>>
>>>Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
>>>at least.
>>
>>Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
>>author the following slander?
>>
>><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>
>No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.

It's not slander, it is a libel.





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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: why
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4as95d$m8s@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>,
Kim Niendorf <KIM.NIENDORF@BBSRC.AC.UK> wrote:
|demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|>
|> In article <ant1423101cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
|> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[flush]
|Well, I'm buggered if I can follow any of this thread.  Nearly
|every posting throws up a "news error - does not exist".  So, as
|I am virtually totally ignorant of the mechanics of news administration,
|can someone explain where these messages are going?

|Assuming, of course , that this one doesn't disappear as well :-<

|Kim

Your news administrator is doing you a favor and erasing the bodies of
the articles on your news server, because they're just a bunch of junk
anyhow.
--
                                  Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                  http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Ben says:
"When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
But they try."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4as48i$a3l@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais3.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|In article <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>, Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
|>demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
[snip]
|>|Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
|>|at least.
|>Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
|>author the following slander?
|><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
|No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.

So you feel that you are on safe ground.  Then which of you Keeganites
is going to file a lawsuit against Demon for their "corrupt
management" and their "participation in forgery"?

Get about it, or shut up.

On second thought, just shut up.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|Under the circumstances, the permission 
|to post them had better be public.

Now why would you be worried about that, Ms. Demitrio?  Are you
expecting to be labeled a forger if you claim that you received the
hypothetical email?

Do you think you have enemies everywhere?

Do you hear voices?

Are you on medication?
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
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From: "Paul L. Allen" <pla@sktb.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4aqnkq$rlc@wizvax.wizvax.net>
    keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
> : > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
> : > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
> : > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
> : > 
> : > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
> : > notified, btw.)
> : 
> : They have no liability in any case.  
> 
> can you post your legal credentials in international
> law? thanks.

You post yours first, junior.

> : They are a common carrier 
> : under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

Not entirely true.  They are assumed to have that status for now because
the current law is not entirely clear on the matter and their have been
no test cases.  Laws are being drafted right now to give them common
carrier status.

> all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
> some responsibility towards criminal use of their
> systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
> great effort to trace certain callers who have
> committed crimes.

Indeed.  But defamation in the form of libel or slander is not a criminal
offence, either here or in the US.  It is a civil tort, and common carriers
have no responsibility to act upon such until and unless a court requests
that they do so.  Even if a court does order them to stop the libel or
slander from being propagated by their system, they are not legally liable
because they have the defence of innocent dissemination.

> demon refused to take any action after acknowledging
> notification of criminal action, actions which have
> hapened repeatedly since demon acknowledged
> notification.

Because no criminal acts have been committed, only civil offences.  Should
you take legal action against the perpetrator of that which offends you,
you may eventually find that a court requests Demon to take action, at
which time I expect that they will.  Until that point, there is no onus
upon Demon to act in this matter.

> i believe it would be ruled that demon has liability

I believe you are talking out of your arse again.

> : > it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> : 
> : Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.
> 
> a known liar like you would like to censor an
> expression of opinion.

ROFL.  You want to stop people slandering you whilst you should be allowed
to slander Demon.

> i believe demon management has been demonstrated to eb
> corrupt. does that trouble you?

If Demon management were corrupt that would trouble me.  That you believe
them to be corrupt does not trouble me any more than some other loon in
the US who thinks that aliens beam thoughts into his head.  Both of you
might be dangerous to meet in person, but other than that your beliefs
do not trouble me in the slightest.
 
> : > it is not surprising that demon is the same site
> : > through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
> : 
> : Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
> : can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
> : the least wrong with providing a public service in this way
> 
> on the contrary, common carriers are required by law
> to take action to prevent criminal use of their
> systems,

Indeed.  We've already agreed to that point.  But defamation is not a
criminal offense.

> assuming demon can claim common carrier status in all of the nations where
> posts from demon appear, that is.

That sounds really likely, junior.  Why don't you go and find somewhere
then let us all know where it is?  Demon could then get wizvax taken out
for letting your defamation of Demon appear on the net...

--Paul




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/16
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Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
===begin restore unmarked deletion
Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: The header you quote shows that the post you refer to came 
: through uu.net, fido.net, and netcom among others.  It also shows 
: that the poster was from magic.mb.ca.  Why so keen to lay 
: blame on Demon?

don't be so defensive.

all of the forgeries came through demon with one
earlier site appended to demon's gateway.

demon management had earlier confirmed notification of
illegal actions by demon users, yet continued to allow
such actions. the recent forgeries followed that
earlier dispute and, 
===end restore unmarked deletion
: |in the minds of some, 
===begin restore unmarked deletion
are the
direct result of it. demon is the only site through
which any of the forgeries came. demon is the only site
they were reposted from.
===end restore unmarked deletion
: Grammatically weak, but defensible.
: |i believe 
===begin restore unmarked deletion
that demon management has conducted itself in
===end restore unmarked deletion
: Ditto.
: |a manner which could be considered corrupt, 
===begin restore unmarked deletion
which is
===end restore unmarked deletion
: Again.
: |the manner in which i see it. 
: The same.
: |i believe 
===begin restore unmarked deletion
demon
management has encouraged forgery and libel as an
expression of their own malice.

the forgeries were vicious ones too, attacking the
victims of abuse and gays. 
===end restore unmarked deletion
: A trend?
: |it seems apparent
===begin restore unmarked deletion
that demon
cares not who it hurts in its mismanagement.
===end restore unmarked deletion

: Thought so.

you were doing better when you were forging. perhaps
posting isn't something you can do?

interesting that you post seemed to eb both a defense
of forgery and a defense of an attack upon gays.






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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <ant1503351cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
> >> me to post the response he made to me?
> >
> >Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
> >Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
> >to see why you asked the question here in the first place
> >and why you now repeat it.
> 
> Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
> responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
> those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
> to post them had better be public.
> 
> So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
> his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
> the word and I'll post.

You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
Demon employees do not monitor this group in any formal sense, 
and very few seem even to look at it casually.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4ar6h3$23f@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> >pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca) wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, indeed, the terrifying Keeganite Thought Patrol will CRUSH any
> >>and all anonymous Usenet postings.
> 
> What?!?!?  
> 
> Anonymous posts are posted through anon servers, and their 'From' lines
> say things like "an12345@anon.penet.fi". No deception. 

And, as I said in another thread, many anonymous remailers do not 
post to usenet, but suggest that you use one of the mail to news 
gateways provided by various ISPs, including Demon.  For this 
facility to be made available to anonymous remailers, it has also 
got to be open to abuse by others.  This is not the 
responsibility of the providers who make the facilities 
available.

In any case, Demon mark posts that go through their gateways with 
the X-NNTP-Posting-Host: line, which makes forgeries obvious.
 
> Forging a post in someone else's name -- as was done here -- is *not*
> posting anonymously.  You are welcome not to be you, if you like; you are
> not welcome to pretend to be me. 

But the fuss Keegan made was about it being posted through 
Demon's mail to news gateway, instead of utopia's or c2's or 
mit's.  You accept that the gateways are used by anonymous 
posters legitimately.  You cannot deny that Demon's gateway takes 
steps to identify the posting host in the header, to foil forgery 
(somethjing some of the other gateways don't do, apparently).   

So what is it that Demon are doing which is in any way wrong?
 
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4as95d$m8s@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>
           KIM.NIENDORF@BBSRC.AC.UK "Kim Niendorf" writes:

> Well, I'm buggered if I can follow any of this thread.  

Just as well you can't, then.

> Nearly every posting throws up a "news error - does not exist".

Apparently Demitrio was posting to a non-existent group amongst 
the others (news.admin.net-abuse) which you have in your header 
too (I have removed it).  Also, some ISPs (Pipex in the UK) 
don't take the demon groups.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4as48i$a3l@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais3.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>, 
>           Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
> 
> >Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
> >author the following slander?
> >
> > >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> 
> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.

Making you equally responsible for the defamation (probably libel 
rather than slander, defamation covers both).  

In British law, it is no defence to say that you were just 
repeating something that you had heard, and I doubt it is in US 
law either.  Anyone else want to hitch their life savings to this 
losing bet?

(uk.* removed by request)
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Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

<i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
<demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
<don't you?

...for the benefit of the poor readers in all the innocent groups
that you have crossposted to please would you advise us all of 
your charges against Demon Uk .......

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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/16
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Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"
: > 
: > "It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
: > of a keegan anti-gay article ..."
: > 
: > this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
: > of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
: > been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
: > weeks.
: 
: But not in here. Ghost5 posted without the headers. I accept, 
: having seen the headers, that the article is not overtly from 
: you. That, of course, does not preclude your having written the 
: post in question. I shall, however, assume that you did not.

thank you for confirming your cowardice.

had you truly not known that you reposted a vicious
forgery attacking gays, you would have apologized for
your "inadvertant" act. that you did not inplies to me
that you reposted the forgery knowing full well that it
was a forgery.

isn't it interesting how the forgeries and the reposts
of the forgeries all have demon.co.uk in common?

that, and the attack on gays, as well as the earlier
forgery attacking those in recovery should be
considered as a reflection of demon and demon
management, imo.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: covering up ..
Date: 1995/12/16
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
 
: In any case, Demon mark posts that go through their gateways with 
: the X-NNTP-Posting-Host: line, which makes forgeries obvious.

can you prove that demon does this in 100% of the posts
which pass through demon?

careful now.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
Message-ID: <4auqi1$h3s@wizvax.wizvax.net>#1/1
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references: <49haj5$k6g@mserv.wizvax.net> <818804128snz@mist.demon.co.uk> <4aqnkq$rlc@wizvax.wizvax.net> <4at8qb$9m8@lurch.sccsi.com>
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Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: |Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: |: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
: |:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: |: 
: |: > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
: |: > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
: |: > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
: |: > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
: |: > 
: |: > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
: |: > notified, btw.)
: |: 
: |: They have no liability in any case.  
: 
: |can you post your legal credentials in international
: |law? thanks.

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: They are a common carrier 
: under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
some responsibility towards criminal use of their
systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
great effort to trace certain callers who have
committed crimes.

demon refused to take any action after acknowledging
notification of criminal action, actions which have
hapened repeatedly since demon acknowledged
notification.

i believe it would be ruled that demon has liability

: > it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: 
: Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.

a known liar like you would like to censor an
expression of opinion.

i believe demon management has been demonstrated to eb
corrupt. does that trouble you?

: > it is not surprising that demon is the same site
: > through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
: 
: Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
: can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
: the least wrong with providing a public service in this way

on the contrary, common carriers are required by law
to take action to prevent criminal use of their
systems, assuming demon can claim common carrier status
in all of the nations where posts from demon appear,
that is.

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: Can you post a photocopy of your warrant, or legal writ of any kind,
: that entitles you to demand them?  Thanks.

you were doing better when you were forging, sonny.





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From: jkeegan@netcom.com (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: liar ray fischer tries to explain his quotes
Date: 1995/09/02
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In article <rayDE6yJM.71D@netcom.com>, Ray Fischer <ray@netcom.com> wrote:
: james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> wrote:
: >Paul Lambert <Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu> wrote:


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Paul Lambert <Paul.Lambert@launchpad.unc.edu> wrote:
: james g. keegan jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> wrote:
: :Ray Fischer <ray@netcom.com> wrote:
: [...]
: :you have posted more than three "quotes," hundreds of
: :times, for weeks on end.
: 
: and you had never complained about them 

[...]
although i, and others, called on liar ray to support
his allegations with full reposts of the alleged
"posts" he was quoting.

: :when asked to support your "quotes" with full reposts
: :for *each* "quote," you did not provide such evidence
: :while continuing to post your "quotes."
: 
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: >: and you've never denied the quotes
: >
: >liar ray made the claim.
: 
: And provided support ....

on the contrary, you ran away from repeated calls for
you to repost the "articles" you cited. you not only
failed to repost these "articles" but, like the coward
you are, you continued to post the alleged "quotes."

: > it's was up to nhimn to
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support his claims when he was called on to do so.
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: Done. 

you're lying again, liar ray. you were called on
repeatedly for over a month to repost the alleged
"posts" you had been citing. you did not do so. the
conclusion is obvious. it would appear that you forged
again and that you got caught again.

  "His claim of 17 reposts was pure fabrication, changing
   the 17 to a 1 made him look more honest than he actually is."
   -ray fischer explaining why he forged <rayD07MyG.Mo@netcom.com>

: >now, of course, anything he "reposted" would be
: >suspect.
: 
: Hah!  Because _you_ say so?

because it would seem likely that you's simply forge
again, silly.




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From: kevin@cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: liar ray fischer tries to explain his "missing posts"
Date: 1995/09/06
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In article <Pine.SCO.3.91.950831185925.6505E-100000@crash.cts.com>,
Pure Silk at The Hotel California  <lindaj@cts.com> wrote:
>
>Ahem... well I am glad that you agree that liar Ray Fischer is a liar.

Um, which part of the following paragraph constitutes Hausmann's "agree"ment 
that Ray Fischer is a "liar"? 

	When are you gonna come up with something new, Keegs? Oh, that's
	right, you're incapable, inept and incompetent. Sorta "three strikes
	and you're IN". Can you get me a Big Mac and an order of fries?

Just curious...

							- Kevin



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From: cantrick@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray))
Subject: Nuked. was Re: OFFSHORE BANKING
Date: 1995/10/07
Message-ID: <456ibj$tg6@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>
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  Recently, this was posted to alt.fan.bgcrisis. It's more Slaton spam,
and I cancelled it. It will surely show up in other groups.

  Hey, folks over there at Hollyberry.com (aka Indirect.com)... are you
doing anything about this guy? 

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From: froggy@praline.no.NeoSoft.com (Carlos May)
Subject: Re: Nuked. was Re: OFFSHORE BANKING
Date: 1995/10/09
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Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray) (cantrick@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

:   Recently, this was posted to alt.fan.bgcrisis. It's more Slaton spam,
: and I cancelled it. It will surely show up in other groups.

:   Hey, folks over there at Hollyberry.com (aka Indirect.com)... are you
: doing anything about this guy? 

More of this is arriving here at neosoft now, in over 100 newsgroups 
at least (lots in the alt.fan.* and alt.sex.* heirarchies).

I've mailed "hollyberry.com" repeatedly... If "hollyberry.com" can't 
or won't do anything about "Spamking", perhaps other sites should 
do something about not accepting posts/mail from "hollyberry.com"?

                            -- F.

     *********************************************************
     * froggy@neosoft.com  "The Information Super-frog"[dibs]*
     *********************************************************



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From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
Subject: GROSS Abuse of Censorship from the christnet cult.
Date: 1995/10/28
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references: <scheidelDH5xMv.L9s@netcom.com>
organization: Netcom
x-netcom-date: Sat Oct 28  9:14:13 AM PDT 1995
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You have stepped over the line with this deliberate censorship of messages
that were often replies to inflamitory posts from false christian filth.

You are a liar to suggest that my messages were spam.

scheidel@netcom.com (Michael S. Scheidell) spake thusly and wrote:

>Spring cleaning needs to come early this year.
>The christnet.* groups have turned into a private flamewar.
>Even by 'normal' usenet spam levels, there is one person who repeats the 
>same post, or essentially the same post over and over again.
>There are currently 55 posts, from this one person, all saying the same thing
>"you are lying false christian scum"
>
>Now, there is NO desire to get into questions if he is right or not.  The 
>issue here is net-abuse.  55 posts, same person, saying the same thing is 
>net-abuse.  These posts are also crossposted to alt.* and sometimes 
>news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
>
>These flamewars belong off usenet, and should be taken to email.
>Kill files don't work because they are so widely crossposted that the 
>followups (flamebacks) come out of no where and from vary diverse groups.
>
>So, here are the 55 messages and groups.
>Cancels have been issued, and a udp set up.
>If this person wants to post ONE 'you are lying false christian scum' 
>message to one group every couple of days, it will probally fall under 
>the BI2 of 20.  But, there will be a UDP for 30 days because he has 
>already exceeded 60 days worth of postings, still in the news spool.
>
>NOTE:
>christnet.* is NOT in the big 8, and therefore is NOT totally 
>subjected to big 8 spam rules. BUT, 55 posts is WAY over the BI of 20.
>
>there is NO governmental agencies involved, so there are also NO 
>free speech issues.
>
>posters can carry on the flame wars, on email, so there is no 'private' 
>free speech issues.
>
>poster can post his 'false lying christian scum' message, as long as he 
>waits for 30 days and after that does not exceed a BI2 of 20, and as long 
>as he does not violate the charter of any of the groups involved.
>
>The udp will be removed nov 28th. but will be put back in place if the 
>posts exceed a BI of 20 in a 30 day period (and currently 10 posts per 
>day DO exceed this).
>
>---- below are message id, and group, and a sample post.---
>
>Newsgroups: christnet.general
>Message-ID: <46bg18$9gg@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
>Newsgroups: christnet.general
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>
>----begin included sample ---
>Xref: netcom.com alt.christnet:52746 alt.christnet.bible:32147 alt.religion.christian:61437 christnet.christianlife:1342
>Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews
>From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
>Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.christnet.bible,christnet.bible,alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.christian,christnet.christianlife
>Subject: Re: only one road to heaven
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:06:44 GMT
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>References: <12OCT95.16552221.0028@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> <45lvdj$hqt@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <mactechDGn2AG.6qG@netcom.com> <4636ma$gdm@ixnews2.ix.netcom <46pjj2$a81@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <46s5pk$leg@redstone.interpath.net>
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>zanetti@interpath.com (joe zanetti) spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>In article <46pjj2$a81@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) says:
>>>
>>>* Jesus declared rather clearly that there was only one "method" of
>>>salvation.
>>>
>>Jesus died for the sins of the world, therefore nothing can seperate
>>us from the love of God. The only sin He could not die for, was unbelief
>>in Him. Since all christians profess Jesus as Lord and Savior, they
>
>You really are a fool, aren't you?   You won't be the first one in hell.
>
>Why are so many people content in false churches even after they
>hear about Acts 2:38 and they know that they haven't obeyed it?
>(and Acts 2:39 states that it is for as many as God will call)
>
>Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one
>of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
>shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>
>Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to
>all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
>
>Why are so many people content in three godlet cults even though
>the Bible warns so clearly against the trinity?
>
>Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
>vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the
>world, and not after Christ.
>
>Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
>bodily.
>
>Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
>principality and power:
>
>I have had many tell me even after I show them scriptures like these that
>they just KNOW in their heart that they are saved.  They just know in their
>hearts that they are saved and can never be lost because some false preacher
>has convinced them with some misunderstood scripture.
>
>God has a word that He uses to describe such people.  Those people who trust
>in their own hearts over the Word of God are described by God.
>
>See if you can find the adjective in this next verse to describe the folks in
>ALL these false churches who are trusting the feelings of their own hearts.
>
>Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso
>walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
>
>Now what does God say that you are if you trust in the feelings of your own
>heart?  That's right!  You got it!
>
>Why are these people content in these filthy trinity cults?
>
>It's because they are FOOLS.
>
>Are you a happy catholic, are you a happy trinitarian?  Well guess why!
>
>That's right! You got it!
>
>One more time, so that you won't forget it:
>
>Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
>vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the
>world, and not after Christ.
>
>Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
>bodily.
>
>Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
>principality and power:
>
>Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso
>walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
>
>You just KNOW in your HEART that you are SAVED, don't you?
>
>Steve Winter 919-286-3606 PRIME Network
>--
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>|its factual content rather than initial impression.  For additional|
>|information call: PreRapture BBS  919-286-2100  300-33600bps  N,8,1|
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From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
Subject: Michael S. Scheidell posts fraudulent messages to control group
Date: 1995/10/28
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Again scheidel@netcom.com (Michael S. Scheidell) has deliberately
fraudulently and maliciously counterfeited my netcom address
to illegally cancel my newsgroup messages.  He appears to be
affiliated with the christnet cultists. (some of you may
remember them advocating email vandalism to silence opposing
viewpoints.)  I believe that this recent action, however, is
criminal due to accessing of a computer system under false
pretenses.  I have never authorized anyone to use my account
or to post from it.  Scheidell's counterfeit cancel message
from the control newsgroup follows:

Newsgroups: christnet.admin,christnet.general
Path:
ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!cyberspam!usenet
Subject: cmsg cancel <46sdke$hdl@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
Control: cancel <46sdke$hdl@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
Date: 28 Oct 1995 20:34:16 GMT
Message-ID: <cancel.46sdke$hdl@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
Approved: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
X-Canceled-by: scheidel@netcom.com
X-Subject: Re: Matthew 28:19 and Speaking in Tongues
X-Path: christnet/bible/1555

>Spring cleaning of christnet.* groups.
>Small non-big 8 groups have different problems, different cancel policies.

--
_____________________________________________________________________
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|its factual content rather than initial impression.  For additional|
|information call: PreRapture BBS  919-286-2100  300-33600bps  N,8,1|
|Free Online Bible Doors ANSI RIP Home of the PRIME ChristianNetwork|
|___________________________________________________________________|




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From: Thomas Lee <tfl@psp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLASH! FyRE Wears a trenchcoat at the playground!
Date: 1995/10/29
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In article <46ul3k$et4@mserv.wizvax.net>, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@wizvax.net> writes
>
>of course they do!! all the people who pay demon for demon's
>service are demon users. 

Sigh.  You still don;t get it keegan old chap - do you.  Demon is an
IAP, not an ISP.  And therein lies the difference.  Of couse, you won't
be able to understand this, but that't your problem.

>your statement is obviously false as the forgeries have not only
>continued but they have increased.

As an old client once said, 'name 6'.  Heck keegan - name 1.  Come on,
post the absolute detail.  You claim much, but offer little.  


ADE: is it time to consider moderating demon.service?

Thomas



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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/10/31
Message-ID: <475cip$oir@mserv.wizvax.net>#1/1
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when, referring to the ongoing forgeries from FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk,
i said:

      "i think it's a combination of demon's level of technical inexpertise
        coupled with the amorality of demon management."

my intent was to demonstrate the truth of my opinion.

absent any evidence to the contrary from demon, it would seem 
clear now that i have demonstrated just that.

given that, it seems silly to flood demon and other newsgroups
with more proof -- at least for the present.

i expect that a few dishonest and characterless twits will
continue to refer to the forgeries in other words as they have
been. and, just as before, their comments won't change
the truth fo the matter.





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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/01
Message-ID: <815247330snz@mist.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <475cip$oir@mserv.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

 
> when, referring to the ongoing forgeries from FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk,

Which claim is entirely bogus.

> i said:
> 
>   "i think it's a combination of demon's level of technical
>     inexpertise coupled with the amorality of demon management."
> 
> my intent was to demonstrate the truth of my opinion.

The above is defamation pure and simple.

> absent any evidence to the contrary from demon, it would seem 
> clear now that i have demonstrated just that.

You have never proven your forgery claims.  The one occasion when 
you tried to prove them actually proved that there was no 
forgery, and revealed that your allegations were actually about 
what you claimed to be a false quotation.  You didn't even prove 
that the quotation was false, though.  You weren't even the 
person who was quoted (unless you admit to being "Pure Silk").

> given that, it seems silly to flood demon and other newsgroups
> with more proof -- at least for the present.

You have never come up with any proof.  The only time you ever 
tried, you proved yourself wrong.

> i expect that a few dishonest and characterless twits will
> continue to refer to the forgeries in other words as they have
> been. and, just as before, their comments won't change
> the truth fo the matter.

The truth of the matter is plain to all that have followed your 
little tantrum.

-- 
HE'S THE BOY                       WAS SMOOTH
            THE GALS FORGOT                  HIS CHIN WAS NOT
                           HIS LINE                          Burma-Shave




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From: hausmann@netcom.com (Goin' Nova)
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/01
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In article <475cip$oir@mserv.wizvax.net>, keegan@wizvax.net wrote:

> when, referring to the ongoing forgeries from FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk,
> i said:
> 
>       "i think it's a combination of demon's level of technical inexpertise
>         coupled with the amorality of demon management."
> 
> my intent was to demonstrate the truth of my opinion.
> 

Your intent was to lie, as you've done before, and hope no one commented on it.

> absent any evidence to the contrary from demon, it would seem 
> clear now that i have demonstrated just that.
> 

absent any proof of forgeries from demon, it would seem clear that
you've only demonstrated that you are a deceptive piece of shit.

> given that, it seems silly to flood demon and other newsgroups
> with more proof -- at least for the present.
> 

Uh, huh. Pray tell, Jimmy why you've chosen to leave them in, then?
Another falsehood from the master?

> i expect that a few dishonest and characterless twits will
> continue to refer to the forgeries in other words as they have
> been. and, just as before, their comments won't change
> the truth fo the matter.

Talking about twits, one assumes that you will start with yourself, 'fo' course.

-- 
It is beyond Merlin's capability to comprehend
          -<45ds1b$neo@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, anon1ed2@nyx10.cs.du.edu
            (merlin q. bigfoot), excerpted from his attempt to
            explain his netcopping of Paul Brothers 



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From: FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE)
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/02
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In the article: <475cip$oir@mserv.wizvax.net>
keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

...with tears in his eyes, keegan is shoved roughly into centre stage.
the poor little wretch casts a fleeting and hateful glance at the
wizvax sysop as she waits in the wings making sure her wayward user
makes good on his promise to appologise to everyone for his stupidity.

his voice little more than a mumble, he starts nibbling the crust
of his pie, baked by none other than "ma humble"...

>when, referring to the ongoing forgeries from FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk,
>i said:

>      "i think it's a combination of demon's level of technical inexpertise
>        coupled with the amorality of demon management."

>my intent was to demonstrate the truth of my opinion.

...keegan bleats, fighing back the tears dripping down his puffy red
cheeks. he angrily drags his damp sleeve across his face to clear his
vision, sniffing back the snot dribbling along his upper lip as he
reads more from his co-operatively written speech...

>absent any evidence to the contrary from demon, it would seem 
>clear now that i have demonstrated just that.

...keegan makes to stomp from the stage, crumpling the speech into
a little ball in his shaking fists. stephanie from wizvax utters the
words to strike fear into little james' frame - "remember james, no
appology, no account!". keegan cowers at this for he knows he can
scarcely afford another ban in his net career. so slowly, the crumpled
figure again creeps back into the limelight...

>given that, it seems silly to flood demon and other newsgroups
>with more proof -- at least for the present.

...barely muffled laughter ripples through the listening masses as
keegan forces the words out. his little stomach lurches into his chest
as the pie repeats on him...

>i expect that a few dishonest and characterless twits will
>continue to refer to the forgeries in other words as they have
>been. and, just as before, their comments won't change
>the truth fo the matter.

...amid deafening laughter the beaten and demoralised wife beater
crawls from the stage to kiss steph's shoes.

"ok jimmy, just one more chance!", the wizvax sysop chuckles, before
joining in with the still audible laughter and jeers eminating from 
the assembled crowd. james' weevil like face changes into a
frightening mask of hate as he contemplates his next ridiculous
attempt to slander demon.co.uk.

--
FyRE            < Angel of Deception >




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From: Steve_Winter_Sux@hell.gov (Steve Winter Fan Club -- NOT!)
Subject: Steve Winter's Diarrhea of the Keyboard
Date: 1995/11/02
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stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) farted:

> The lying filth at christnet are now counterfeiting messages in my name in the
> control newsgroup.   scheidel@netcom.com has posted these messages under my
> name without my approval.  I would appreciate advise on how to pursue criminal
> action against Scheidel and any trash working with him.   -- Steve Winter
>
> This is a message that I found in the control group.

Gee Steve, don't you think you ought to get your story straight,
then stick with it?  First you're here whining about how messages
being posted here were being "forged".  (Sounds like the same alibi
you used over on Fidonet.)  Now you're claiming that cancels to these
"forged" posts are also being "forged"?  Which is it?  If they're
forgeries, then you should be glad they're being cancelled.  And if
not, then you'll just have to take credit for all the venomous
hate speech you spew forth here, won't you?

You must spend all your free time reading the "control" group.
Get a life, Steve!

NOTE: Please direct all complaints regarding Steve Winter to:

      abuse@netcom.com





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From: jdb7809@jackson.freenet.org (Jeff D. Barnes)
Subject: Re: Steve Winter's Diarrhea of the Keyboard
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Steve Winter Fan Club -- NOT! (Steve_Winter_Sux@hell.gov) wrote:

: NOTE: Please direct all complaints regarding Steve Winter to:

:       abuse@netcom.com

While I'm far from Steve's biggest fan (I'm working hard to get called 
"scum" again), this is a bit much.  Not the "NOTE:" of where to send 
complaints, but that you're not willing to put your real name or email 
address to it.  Plus, it'll just give Steve more "proof" of how people 
are conspiring to persecute him and doing it anonymously...

-Drizzt (AKA Jeff Barnes, BTW...)



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stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) wanked:

> You have stepped over the line with this deliberate censorship of messages
> that were often replies to inflamitory posts from false christian filth.
>
> You are a liar to suggest that my messages were spam.

[bobbit]

>---- below are message id, and group, and a sample post.---
>
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[bobbit]

If those are all original, unique messages rather than your typical,
bigoted, boilerplate spam-spew, then you've got way too much time on your
hands!  Haven't you got any of us "heathen" there in Durham to convert
without spreading your diarrhea of the keyboard all over Usenet?

NOTE: Please direct all Steve Winter complaints to abuse@netcom.com.

>Steve Winter 919-286-3606 PRIME Network
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From: thth@rr.ualberta.ca
Subject: The Steve Winter Drinking Game
Date: 1995/11/02
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Guaranteed to get you drunk in 5 minutes or less:

Every time Winter uses the words "false", "scum", or "filth", take a 
drink.

If he uses all 3 words in the same sentence, take 5 drinks.




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From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
Subject: Re: The Steve Winter Drinking Game
Date: 1995/11/02
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thth@rr.ualberta.ca spake thusly and wrote:

>Guaranteed to get you drunk in 5 minutes or less:
>
>Every time Winter uses the words "false", "scum", or "filth", take a 
>drink.
>
>If he uses all 3 words in the same sentence, take 5 drinks.
>

Not a good idea.  Ever heard of alcohol poisioning?

Steve
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From: dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Subject: Re: COOL STUFF
Date: 1995/11/03
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In article <47bj5a$br9@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, djansen@rocket.cc.umr.edu (Fire Fighter) writes...
>I don't post here usually 'cuz I don't have anything interesting to say, 
>but this is one of my favorite newsgroups to read, and maybe I will post 
>more in the future.  Anyhow, I wanted to let you all know that I got some 
>really good catalogs in the mail yesterday.  They are from Jan 
>Distributing which is local here in town, but they deal with mail order a 
>lot and stuff can be shipped to your door.  They have some pretty cool 
>stuff and I thought I would let you all know about it.  
> 
>They have 6 lines of catalogs, and they can mail them out to you.
> [rest of post detailing catalog offerings deleted]

    This is one of the more insidious posts I have noticed of late.  The
    author has posted separate identical postings to several groups
    pretending to be a regular reader of each of these groups but actually
    just pushing his catalogs.  And one thing that is worse that off-topics
    ads is off-topic ads which pretend to be friendly recommendations from
    regular readers.

    Copy of this objection is being sent to poster's sys admin.

===========================================================================
daniel david mittleman     -     danny@arizona.edu     -     (520) 621-2932

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Subject: Re: The Steve Winter Drinking Game
Date: 1995/11/03
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In article <47bvt2$n63@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, Steve Winter  
(stevwint@ix.netcom.com) says...

>thth@rr.ualberta.ca spake thusly and wrote:
>
>>Guaranteed to get you drunk in 5 minutes or less:
>>
>>Every time Winter uses the words "false", "scum", or "filth", take a 
>>drink.
>>
>>If he uses all 3 words in the same sentence, take 5 drinks.
>>
>
>Not a good idea.  Ever heard of alcohol poisioning?

If it comes down to a choice of poisoning by alcohol or by having to read 
your spew -- I'll take the alcohol ANY day....





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From: dtmedin@cca.rockwell.com (David T. Medin)
Subject: Re: The Steve Winter Drinking Game
Date: 1995/11/03
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In article <47auuc$nik@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, thth@rr.ualberta.ca writes:
> Guaranteed to get you drunk in 5 minutes or less:
> 
> Every time Winter uses the words "false", "scum", or "filth", take a 
> drink.
> 
> If he uses all 3 words in the same sentence, take 5 drinks.
> 

Add two drinks if he says "trash." If the word "sewer" is used, throw
up.

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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/03
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Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <475cip$oir@mserv.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

:  
: > when, referring to the ongoing forgeries from FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk,

: Which claim is entirely bogus.

: > i said:
: > 
: >   "i think it's a combination of demon's level of technical
: >     inexpertise coupled with the amorality of demon management."
: > 
: > my intent was to demonstrate the truth of my opinion.

[...]
: > i expect that a few dishonest and characterless twits will
: > continue to refer to the forgeries in other words as they have
: > been. and, just as before, their comments won't change
: > the truth fo the matter.

i see you did as i predicted.

[...]




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From: keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/05
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FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
[...]

letting the demon forger, FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE), have
the last post in this thread seemed to be the wrong thing to do, imo.






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From: pz@imb.imb.uh.edu (The Eater of Bandwidth)
Subject: Re: conclusion: demon forgery threads 2
Date: 1995/11/06
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In article <47jioq$nn6@mserv.wizvax.net>, 
keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

>FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
>[...]

>letting the demon forger, FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE), have
>the last post in this thread seemed to be the wrong thing to do, imo.

What about me, Jimmy? Hmm?

[WHACK.]

--
The Eater of Bandwidth                   Paul J. Zanca <pz@hti.net>
"COWER IN FEAR BEFORE ME, MICROBE.  FEAR AND RESPECT ME, OR BY CRACKEE,
I'LL TWIST YOUR ARMS SOME MORE, SEE IF I DON'T."
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keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) writes:
:>FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE) wrote:
:[...]

:letting the demon forger, FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk (FyRE), have
:the last post in this thread seemed to be the wrong thing to do, imo.

Letting the famous Net Abuser and a liar, keegan@wizvax.net (james g. keegan
jr.) aka Puresilk@cris.com (PURESILK) have the last post in this thread seemed
to be the wrong thing to do, IMO.

Lib.
-- 
James Koput <festerat@inforamp.net> In the article: <45ttih$64e@inforamp.net>
>I however give such weaklings an occasional whack across the face when 
>they so deserve, when the moment suits me. I don't argue with children
>such as he/she, I teach them lessons.



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From: s.heathfield@tsc.techsmith.com
Subject: Re: COOL STUFF
Date: 1995/11/06
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I, too, found this post offensive because he stole my time.  Does it help 
to complain to the system administrator?  Does it help if more than one 
person complains?  What else helps (other than becoming reviewed, as we 
will be soon)?

Thanks,

Susan
Heathfield Consulting Associates




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From: drg@pgh.nauticom.net (Law Doctor)
Subject: Re: Christnet cult still censoring messages
Date: 1995/11/16
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Steve W BUEHLER (etienne@netcom.com) wrote:
: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:

: >>>Or, in my haste  to stop religious censorship, I may have crossed some

The ALLEGED "Spamming" here MAY be permissible, IF he can show that the
Christnet Cult Censored at least 55 messages.

Now I agree with Chris's Spam cancelling, but we must be VERY sure that 
Chris does NOT come under the Influence of these ChristNet people.
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They are a VERY dangerous bunch, and they think it is O.K. to kill another
human for their "God."

A VERY RELEVANT Question:  

Chris:  What religion are you?


And:  Why did you not cancel just HALF of the messages?


: >>>threshold, but I really doubt it.   My protest messages were being canceled
: >>>out of even news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
: >>
They should NEVER be cancelled from here!  What happened to Lazarus, here?!

: >>On the contrary, you posted 55 identical postings.  That was cancelable
: >>spam.  It got cancelled.

This "identical" - ness has NOT been proven.

: >You're a liar.   Similarity between postings and some common phrases in
: >postings does not make them spam.

: Oh Steve . . .

: I ran my entire file through a comparison program and they are fully 
: IDENTICAL messages, with the changing of names in each and different 
: message headers in each.  But their content was mostly completely 

"MOSTLY COMPLETELY?"  -- This sounds a little wavery to me.

: IDENTICAL, as if there were some canned message being posted to several 
: different users.  That's called "SPAMMING" on the Internet, STeve; and 
: before you call me a liar, just remember that I've been on this net much 
: longer than you.

: -- 
: Steven Etienne Buehler                                etienne@netcom.com
: ========================================================================

Well, maybe so Buehler, but that does not give you any more CREDIBILITY 
that anybody else.

:     Residence: 1102 West Sierra Avenue, Santa Ana, CA 92707-3856 USA
:  College Box: SCC Box 323, 55 Fair Drive, Costa Mesa, CA 92626-6597 USA
:                    Telephone/Fax: +1 (714) 641 9279
:        Web Page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/et/etienne/pershome.htm
: ========================================================================
: "Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord; and our heart is restless until
:  it rests in thee."  -- St. Augustine
:  MONTHLY DEVOTIONAL: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/et/etienne/devotion.htm
: ========================================================================

Now the above party exhibits a DANGEROUS signature. This "lord" stuff 
means he would kill another man with a "voice from the lord" call in his ear.
This is the same kind of "Kill for God" person who just 
killed the Jew Leader, and there have been many crazy christion killers 
in the USA in the past few years, too.

Now, back to Chris Lewis . . .

Your Religion, Chris? . . . what is it?

DrG,Esq.

-- 
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From: drg@pgh.nauticom.net (Law Doctor)
Subject: Re: Christnet cult still censoring messages
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Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: [Followups trimmed]
: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:
: >clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) spake thusly and wrote:

: >>On the contrary, you posted 55 identical postings.  That was cancellable
: >>spam.  It got cancelled.

: >You're a liar.   Similarity between postings and some common phrases in
: >postings does not make them spam.

: 	Actually, that's the definition.

: 	And now you're calling Chris a liar?  Gods, you don't have a
: clue what you're doing, do you?  Or what you're talking about.  

: 	I'd recommend dropping it *now*.

BULLSHIT TIM!  You are NOT going to Drop this!

I WANT to know if Chris Lewis has been influenced by this Crazy-Christian 
Cult.  Have YOU Tim?  This Is NOT alleged ADVERTISING spamming, but this 
IS a message about ILLEGAL CANCELLATIONS by some Crazy Christion Cult.

And we want to know ALL about this "apparent conspiracy."

: 				- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu)

Now spit it ALL out Steve:  What is the WHOLE story on this Christian 
cult that was cancelling/censoring messages?

HOW MANY messages did they cancell/censor?

DrG,Esq.

-- 
John M. Grubor, J.D.                        INTERNET LAW SYSTEMS
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Subject: Re: Christnet cult still censoring messages
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drg@pgh.nauticom.net (Law Doctor) wrote:
>Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:
>: >clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) spake thusly and wrote:
>
>: >>On the contrary, you posted 55 identical postings.  That was cancellable
>: >>spam.  It got cancelled.
>
>: >You're a liar.   Similarity between postings and some common phrases in
>: >postings does not make them spam.
>
>: 	Actually, that's the definition.
>
>: 	And now you're calling Chris a liar?  Gods, you don't have a
>: clue what you're doing, do you?  Or what you're talking about.  
>
>: 	I'd recommend dropping it *now*.
>
>BULLSHIT TIM!  You are NOT going to Drop this!

Ye Ghods. Another nutc^H^H^H^Hkoo^H^H^Hcountry heard from.

>I WANT to know if Chris Lewis has been influenced by this Crazy-Christian 
>Cult.

It is strongly recommended that you find out what the hell you are talking
about before you start tossing your prolific disbarred butt around in this
thread. 

>Have YOU Tim?  This Is NOT alleged ADVERTISING spamming, but this 
>IS a message about ILLEGAL CANCELLATIONS by some Crazy Christion Cult.

The cancels are not illegal. Christnet is not part of the Big 8 and
operates under a different set of rules. All of your bluster and frothing
can not change that. 

>And we want to know ALL about this "apparent conspiracy."

"We"? Who's the "we"? Both you and Steeeeevie have been told the same
thing. Now _both_ people making noise about this have been told. 

>Now spit it ALL out Steve:  What is the WHOLE story on this Christian 
>cult that was cancelling/censoring messages?

No cult. Legel cancels. End of story. 

>HOW MANY messages did they cancell/censor?

Irrelevant. See above. 

Go away.


--
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Subject: Is Christnet Controlling Chris Lewis?
Date: 1995/11/19
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drg@pgh.nauticom.net (Law Doctor) wrote:
>Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: [Followups trimmed]
>: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:
>: >clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) spake thusly and wrote:
>
>: >>On the contrary, you posted 55 identical postings.  That was cancellable
>: >>spam.  It got cancelled.
>
>: >You're a liar.   Similarity between postings and some common phrases in
>: >postings does not make them spam.
>
>: 	Actually, that's the definition.
>
>: 	And now you're calling Chris a liar?  Gods, you don't have a
>: clue what you're doing, do you?  Or what you're talking about.
>
>: 	I'd recommend dropping it *now*.
>
>BULLSHIT TIM!  You are NOT going to Drop this!
>
>I WANT to know if Chris Lewis has been influenced by this Crazy-Christian
>Cult.  Have YOU Tim?  This Is NOT alleged ADVERTISING spamming, but this
>IS a message about ILLEGAL CANCELLATIONS by some Crazy Christion Cult.
>
>And we want to know ALL about this "apparent conspiracy."
>
>: 				- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu)
>
>Now spit it ALL out Steve:  What is the WHOLE story on this Christian
>cult that was cancelling/censoring messages?
>
>HOW MANY messages did they cancell/censor?
>
>DrG,Esq.
>
>--
>John M. Grubor, J.D.                        INTERNET LAW SYSTEMS
>Lawyer Systems Analyst                      P.O. BOX 114
>Law Office Operation, Management            E. McKEESPORT, PA. 15035
>And Trial Preparation Systems               (412) 829-7853




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From: DrG@manus.org (Law Professor)
Subject: CRAZY CHRISTIAN OUT OF CONTROL
Date: 1995/11/19
Message-ID: <48nlh6$5eu@hudson.lm.com>#1/1
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drg@pgh.nauticom.net (Law Doctor) wrote:
>Steve Winter (stevwint@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: The following is one of several illegal cancels issued by Buehler.
>: It is forwarded with the header information.
>
>: Control: cancel <48ag8v$d8f@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>
>: Newsgroups: alt.christnet
>: Path: ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!etienne
>: From: stevwint@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter)
>: Subject: Cancel "Usenet vandalism from wem.org"
>: Message-ID: <etienneDI1MCF.7L6@netcom.com>
>: Sender: etienne@netcom22.netcom.com
>: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
>: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
>: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:13:02 GMT
>: Lines: 10
>
>
>: Steven Etienne Buehler                            The Renaissance Organisation
>: ==============================================================================
>: 1102 W. Sierra Avenue, Santa Ana, CA 92707-3856      Tel/Fax +1 (714) 641 9279
>: SCC Box 323, 55 Fair Dr., Costa Mesa, CA 92626-6597         etienne@netcom.com
>: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>: Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord;
>:             and our heart is restless until it rests in thee. -- St. Augustine
>: ==============================================================================
>
>
>This Guy is a Dangerous Crazy-Christian type, Winter.
>Watch out, he may send a guy with a gun after you,
>because "God told him to kill you."
>
>Keep a gun in your Car at all times.
>This is one of those kind who just killed
>the Jew Leader, a "kill-for-god" type.
>
>DrG
>--
>John M. Grubor, J.D.                        INTERNET LAW SYSTEMS
>Lawyer Systems Analyst                      P.O. BOX 114
>Law Office Operation, Management            E. McKEESPORT, PA. 15035
>And Trial Preparation Systems               (412) 829-7853




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: Goodbye all.
Date: 1995/12/10
Message-ID: <4aeqvq$ofd@wizvax.wizvax.net>#1/1
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reduced to reposting forgeries,
<Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In the article: <4ac41j$uit@mserv.wizvax.net>
: keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: 
: > of course, you knew it could never be authenticated
: > when you tried to use it to hurt the former object of
: > your affections. i wonder if there are any current like
: > objects, hmmmm. they probably should be getting
: > worried.
: 
: perhaps the readers of demon local would like to see an
: example of keegan's intelligent and factually acurate
: postings to the homosexual newsgroups (you could search
: for this article as it really does exist - or did, since
: keegan tends to cancel his old articles to prevent others
: proving his hypocrasy)
: 
: this is the kind of moron you're addressing when you answer
: the likes of keegan...

here is the actual header of the forgery ghost
reposted below. you can see why he couldn't repost it
in full, particularly since there have been dozens of
posts pointing out that it was forged.

a number of people suggested that the forger would
follow it up as if his/her victim had posted such a
thing.

it is not surprising that the forgery came through
demon's gateway. another recent forgery was posted the
same way.

======begin forgery full header

From netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!aahz.magic.mb.ca Sun Dec  3 15:42:45 1995
Xref: netcom.com talk.abortion:265177 alt.flame:237068 aus.flame:22256 alt.sex.homosexual:62258 alt.politics.homosexuality:120076 gay-net.aids:4703 alt.politics.libertarian.gay:113 gay-net.general:755 su.gay:2279 uk.gay-lesbian-bi:6443
Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!aahz.magic.mb.ca
From: "james g. keegan jr." <jkeegan@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame,aus.flame,alt.homosexual,alt.politics.homosexuality,asu.culture.homosexual,gay-net.aids,alt.politics.libertarian.gay,gay-net.general,su.gay,uk.gay-lesbian-bi
Subject: mancini's continuing defense of faggots and dykes
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 21:12:09 GMT
Lines: 20
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Sender: jkeegan@netcom23.netcom.com
Lines: 20

===end forgery full header

: 
: Begin Repost:=================================================
: 
: Message ID: <jkeeganDIGyDu.FcD@netcom.com>
: Sender: jkeegan@netcom23.netcom.com
: Lines: 20
: 
: mancini, why do you constantly defend the queer fraternity
: when you know full well they are the basis for the erosion
: of our society? i'm just glad aids is killing them all off
: although it's taking too long in my opinion. and as for them
: joining the armed forces, it makes me sick to think of a bunch
: of faggots mincing around with our great army.
: 
: you really are a sick man protecting these rejects, and
: obviously need therapy (alongside the poor subhumans this
: disaese afflicts).
: 
: if you love them so much perhaps you'd better post to
: the faggot groups so they can appreciate your ass!
: Ju  just follow up this post as i've set the header for
: you already. fucking queers.
: 
: End Repost:====================================================
: 
: there was another a while back, just as well researched about
: his slapping his wife as i recall, somewhat insensitively
: sent to some abuse recovery newsgroups. it would appear james
: is proud of his wife beating conviction.
: 
: --
: Ghost            
: 
: alt.flame      (much better in the olden days)
: 





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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/11
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Kevin Kelly <kkelly1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Ghost (Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: : keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: 
: : > you've been very bad. spank. spank.
: 
: : another fine quote from keegan the convicted wife beater and child
: : abuser.
: 
: You will of course be able to prove that your claim is accurate when 
: called upon to do so won't you? Specifically that Keegan is a convicted 
: wife beater and child abuser.
: 
: Did you want to try now or later? Try now.
: 
: Does your service provider know you are engaged in such activites as the
: above? 

his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.

(demon had no liability for such things until they were
notified, btw.)

it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

it is not surprising that demon is the same site
through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.




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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Goodbye all.
Date: 1995/12/11
Message-ID: <818710892snz@mist.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4aeqvq$ofd@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> it is not surprising that the forgery came through
> demon's gateway. another recent forgery was posted the
> same way.

Demon's news gateways are a public service, open to anyone on the 
internet, just as many others are.  That some people misuse the 
facilities is nothing to do with Demon.  However, Demon's 
newservers add the X-NNTP-Posting-Host: line, which will usually 
foil attmpts to forge, and did so in the example quoted, which 
shows the poster was not a Demon customer at all:

> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: aahz.magic.mb.ca

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From: Derek Tidman <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/11
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<it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?

-- 
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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/12
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Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: |Kevin Kelly <kkelly1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: |: Ghost (Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: |: : keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: |: 
: |: : > you've been very bad. spank. spank.
: |: 
: |: : another fine quote from keegan the convicted wife beater and child
: |: : abuser.
: |: 
: |: You will of course be able to prove that your claim is accurate when 
: |: called upon to do so won't you? Specifically that Keegan is a convicted 
: |: wife beater and child abuser.
: |: 
: |: Did you want to try now or later? Try now.
: |: 
: |: Does your service provider know you are engaged in such activites as the
: |: above? 
: 
: |his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
: |bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
: |fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
: |formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
: 
: |(demon had no liability for such things until they were
: |notified, btw.)
: 
: |it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: 
: |it is not surprising that demon is the same site
: |through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
: 
: Then be brave, Jimmy.  File suit like a man.  You ought to be able to
: make a great deal of moola off of 'em, should you be correct.

that does seem to be the only alternative.

: In fact, I think Demon Internet Services, Ltd., might wish to seek the
: advice of a lawsmith after your having written the above.

i agree. that's exactly what they should do, imo.





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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/12
Message-ID: <818804128snz@mist.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
> bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
> fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
> formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
> 
> (demon had no liability for such things until they were
> notified, btw.)

They have no liability in any case.  They are a common carrier 
under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

> it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.

> it is not surprising that demon is the same site
> through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.

Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
the least wrong with providing a public service in this way, even 
though some individuals will no doubt misuse it.

I have removed demon.local from the followups. Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  

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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/12
Message-ID: <4aiout$i95@lurch.sccsi.com>#1/1
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In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|Kevin Kelly <kkelly1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
|: Ghost (Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk) wrote:
|: : keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|: 
|: : > you've been very bad. spank. spank.
|: 
|: : another fine quote from keegan the convicted wife beater and child
|: : abuser.
|: 
|: You will of course be able to prove that your claim is accurate when 
|: called upon to do so won't you? Specifically that Keegan is a convicted 
|: wife beater and child abuser.
|: 
|: Did you want to try now or later? Try now.
|: 
|: Does your service provider know you are engaged in such activites as the
|: above? 

|his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
|bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
|fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
|formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.

|(demon had no liability for such things until they were
|notified, btw.)

|it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

|it is not surprising that demon is the same site
|through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.

Then be brave, Jimmy.  File suit like a man.  You ought to be able to
make a great deal of moola off of 'em, should you be correct.

I don't think you are, though, Jimmy.

In fact, I think Demon Internet Services, Ltd., might wish to seek the
advice of a lawsmith after your having written the above.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/12
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in article <818617644snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>, coward
"Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"


"It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
of a keegan anti-gay article ..."

this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
weeks.

the header of the forgery fleming refers to follows:

===begin header forged post #2

From netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!aahz.magic.mb.ca Sun Dec  3 15:42:45 1995
Xref: netcom.com talk.abortion:265177 alt.flame:237068 aus.flame:22256 alt.sex.homosexual:62258 alt.politics.homosexuality:120076 gay-net.aids:4703 alt.politics.libertarian.gay:113 gay-net.general:755 su.gay:2279 uk.gay-lesbian-bi:6443
Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!aahz.magic.mb.ca
From: "james g. keegan jr." <jkeegan@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.flame,aus.flame,alt.homosexual,alt.politics.homosexuality,asu.culture.homosexual,gay-net.aids,alt.politics.libertarian.gay,gay-net.general,su.gay,uk.gay-lesbian-bi
Subject: mancini's continuing defense of faggots and dykes
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 21:12:09 GMT
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <m0tMLWI-000SVwC@aahz>
X-NNTP-Posting-Host: aahz.magic.mb.ca
X-Broken-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 15:00 CST

Message ID: <jkeeganDIGyDu.FcD@netcom.com>
Sender: jkeegan@netcom23.netcom.com
Lines: 20

===end header forged post #2

a similar forgery, also through demon, was posted 
a few weeks earlier attacking those in support groups.

demon was, of course, made aware of the forgery shortly
after it was posted. not supprisingly, the same forgery
has been reposted multiple times through demon since
that notification.

it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt
management.

some have speculated that demon is where the forgeries
originated. that speculation is to some degree based on
the fact that demon also was the site through which
several slanderous posts were made after demon
management acknowledged notification that such material
had been posted. 

in other words, demon management acknowledged
notification that something ugly, something criminal
had taken place within their system and then then
allowed it to happen again and again.




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From: filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, 
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>,
keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

[snip]
>X-NNTP-Posting-Host: aahz.magic.mb.ca
[snip]

The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
demon.

[snip]

>it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt
>management.

This is libellous.

>some have speculated that demon is where the forgeries
>originated. that speculation is to some degree based on
>the fact that demon also was the site through which
>several slanderous posts were made after demon
>management acknowledged notification that such material
>had been posted. 
>

This is also libellous, cleary the "forgery" did not originate from demon.

>in other words, demon management acknowledged
>notification that something ugly, something criminal
>had taken place within their system and then then
>allowed it to happen again and again.

The act of preparing a message purporting to be from you is not a criminal
act in the UK. It is a libel which is a a civil offence. If you feel so
badly aboput the damage done to your good name, you should engage a
solicitor who make arrangements to sue the miscreant on your behalf.

Demon is a common carrier and not responsible for the content of the
messages that flow through their system. If you heard that someone was
telephoning your friends and claiming to be you, would you complain that
the phone company was allowing something criminal to happen?






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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>#1/1
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In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
>demon.

It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
of bubblegum if I spat it your way?

Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.

-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <4anc8m$3ht@zippy.cais.net>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 121718358
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organization: Capital Area Internet Service
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In article <818724467snz@adams.demon.co.uk>,
Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:

><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>
>..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?

Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
at least.
-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: Tim Crowther <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> 
> Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
> should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
> enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Suzanne Lucia 
> 
Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
Keegan makes all kinds of strange claims all over the
place, so please have a look and think before rising to
champion one of his posts.
-- 
Tim Crowther (at Home)
[ Never trust a software engineer with a screwdriver ]



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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Keeganites and censorship.
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <4anal4$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>#1/1
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
|Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:

|>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
|>demon.

|It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

|Does demon have a duty to operate a mail-to-news gateway?  Does 
|it have a duty to post header forgeries through that gateway?
|Can demon reject defective headers at all -- for improper date,
|or newsgroups, or message-id -- or would you have to post a piece
|of bubblegum if I spat it your way?

|Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
|should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
|enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.

Yes, indeed, the terrifying Keeganite Thought Patrol will CRUSH any
and all anonymous Usenet postings.

One site at a time.

Demon's just going to be the first!  Soon, they'll go after Syrinx,
then Penet, then...  Who knows?

Fight the fascist Keeganite clique that wants to control YOUR Usenet.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <4anas5$qjd@lurch.sccsi.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 121718361
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In article <4anc8m$3ht@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|In article <818724467snz@adams.demon.co.uk>,
|Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:

|><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
|>
|>..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?

|Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
|at least.

Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
author the following slander?

<it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <818817413snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
           keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> in article <818617644snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>, coward
> "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"
> 
> 
> "It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
> of a keegan anti-gay article ..."
> 
> this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
> of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
> been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
> weeks.

But not in here. Ghost5 posted without the headers. I accept, 
having seen the headers, that the article is not overtly from 
you. That, of course, does not preclude your having written the 
post in question. I shall, however, assume that you did not.

<snip repost and abuse of demon management>

Now, in what way does commenting on the purported posting from 
you make me a coward, or dishonest? Especially as the comment was 
purely on 'your' use of the phrase "in my opinion" in full? I 
made no comment on the abusive content of the posting, except to 
describe it as anti-gay. I apostrophise 'your' above, as I am
assuming that you did not originate the posting.

Your mastery of English is, let us say, less than complete. Now 
while you're here, perhaps you could tell us all whether you 
have suggested that I am FyRE@tiktok.demon.co.uk?

I have removed uk.finance from the newsgroups, as this does not 
seem appropriate there. I have left the other newsgroups set, as 
I want my reply to be seen where you have defamed me.

-- 
Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed



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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <818894838snz@mist.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4ajq5u$5ss@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Zanca wrote:
>
> : Then be brave, Jimmy.  File suit like a man.  You ought to be able to
> : make a great deal of moola off of 'em, should you be correct.
> 
> that does seem to be the only alternative.

So why aren't you doing it, Keegan?
 
> : In fact, I think Demon Internet Services, Ltd., might wish to seek the
> : advice of a lawsmith after your having written the above.
> 
> i agree. that's exactly what they should do, imo.

Now he's calling Zanca "Imo".  The man has no shame.

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  

-- 
HALF A POUND                SPREAD ON THIN
            FOR                           ABOVE THE COLLAR
               HALF A DOLLAR                              Burma-Shave



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From: "Donald R. Oddy" <donald@grove.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
Message-ID: <818890722snz@grove.demon.co.uk>#1/1
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In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

>his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
>bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
>fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
>formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
>
>(demon had no liability for such things until they were
>notified, btw.)

So the great james j. keegan jr. is an expert on English law now.
Perhaps he can quote the case where it was ruled that a person
is liable for the actions of it's customers.

>it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

Now this is clearly libelous, you are lucky it is so expensive
to sue for libel because otherwise they would probably do so
and would certainly win.

-- 
Donald



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From: filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:


>In article <ACF4641B966810B59@firthcom.demon.co.uk>,
>Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not originate from
>>demon.
>
>It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.

Wriggling a little, it also went through a large number of relays, are the
all to blaim for the forgery? Demon took adequate steps to ensure that the
forgery was obvious, lets face it, if the nature of the forgery wasn't
obvious Mr. Jr. the intended victim probably wouldn't have noticed.

>Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>enforces. 

Although it may well screw up mail forwarding, a demon service to business
users. Demon take adequate steps to ensure that forgeries that migrate
through a demon server are clearly identified as such. Does your ISP take
similar measures, or make any effort to restrict forgery?





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From: "JK." <john@johnkaye.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <4an7a7$2c1@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
<demitrio@cais2.cais.com> writes

>Requiring a match between the 'From' line and the 'Posting Host'
>should be no more controversial than the other conventions demon
>enforces.  No law requires you to propagate forgeries.


I don't suppose you're Mexican by any chance?



-- 
JK.                       ###########################                       JK. 



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From: kevin@cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <4anc8m$3ht@zippy.cais.net>,
Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
>In article <818724467snz@adams.demon.co.uk>,
>Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>><it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>>
>>..... naughty boy... how's your legal insurance....?
>
>Truth is an absolute defense against libel, in this country
>at least.

But the burden of proof, I believe, is on the party asserting the defense.
Where's the proof that Demon has corrupt management? Do you have *documented*
evidence of this alleged corruption? Mere assertion doesn't get you very far.

								- Kevin



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From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/13
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In article <818804128snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
>           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
>
>> his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
>> bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
>> fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
>> formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
>> 
>> (demon had no liability for such things until they were
>> notified, btw.)
>
>They have no liability in any case.  They are a common carrier 
>under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

This statement is thoroughly misleading.  Many people believe that it
is true, some believe that it is false, and there is neither any
statute law nor any precedent to demonstrate which is correct.  It
has been discussed repeatedly on uk.legal.

>> it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>
>Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.

I like it!  Bisquit is a most expensive brandy, such as may well be
drunk by expensive barristers :-)


Nick Maclaren,
University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England.
Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk
Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679



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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4aqnkq$rlc@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
|:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
|: 
|: > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
|: > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
|: > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
|: > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
|: > 
|: > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
|: > notified, btw.)
|: 
|: They have no liability in any case.  

|can you post your legal credentials in international
|law? thanks.

Can you post a photocopy of your warrant, or legal writ of any kind,
that entitles you to demand them?  Thanks.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
Message-ID: <4at8u1$9m8@lurch.sccsi.com>#1/1
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In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
[flush]
|demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
|expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
|suspect.

When you file your badly-typed and barely-coherent lawsuit, Jimmy,
perhaps they should think about it.

|i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
|demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
                      ^^^^^^^
|don't you?

Because you can't fucking spell it, moron.
--
                                    Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                    http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Overall wrote:
"NANOO NANOO, fred."




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/16
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In article <4athqd$5bi@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
|in the minds of some, 
Grammatically weak, but defensible.
|i believe 
Ditto.
|a manner which could be considered corrupt, 
Again.
|the manner in which i see it. 
The same.
|i believe 
A trend?
|it seems apparent
Thought so.

James Keegan, Jr.: Failed Debate, but aced Tabloid Innuendo Law.

You fail utterly to make a single statement with a semantic content
greater than that of a candy wrapper.  I've read more informative
cigarette warning labels.

So when will you start your well-suited career as Clinton's new press
agent?
--
                                  Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                  http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Ben says:
"When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
But they try."




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From: neil@skipper.demon.co.uk (Neil Tungate)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote a load of crap:

It's a good job that most Americans have more brainpower than you and
Mr Keegan. They'd never have got into space with the allowance you two
were given :-)

-- 
Neil                      (Team Ada)
http://uptown.turnpike.net/~skipper/



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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/16
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
:            demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
: > Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >
: > >> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
: > >> me to post the response he made to me?
: > >
: > >Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
: > >Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
: > >to see why you asked the question here in the first place
: > >and why you now repeat it.
: > 
: > Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
: > responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
: > those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
: > to post them had better be public.
: > 
: > So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
: > his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
: > the word and I'll post.
: 
: You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
: Demon employees do not monitor this group in any formal sense, 
: and very few seem even to look at it casually.

demon (abe) will be far too embarrassed about what they
have done to allow more to me made known in any public
manner, imo.




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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/16
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Derek Tidman  <Derek@adams.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: <i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
: <demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
: <don't you?
: 
: ...for the benefit of the poor readers in all the innocent groups
: that you have crossposted to please would you advise us all of 
: your charges against Demon Uk .......

does this help?

===begin repost
From keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net Mon Dec 11 08:35:50 EST 1995
Article: 38894 of talk.abortion
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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
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Kevin Kelly <kkelly1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Ghost (Ghost@machine5.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: : keegan@news.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: 
: : > you've been very bad. spank. spank.
: 
: : another fine quote from keegan the convicted wife beater and child
: : abuser.
: 
: You will of course be able to prove that your claim is accurate when 
: called upon to do so won't you? Specifically that Keegan is a convicted 
: wife beater and child abuser.
: 
: Did you want to try now or later? Try now.
: 
: Does your service provider know you are engaged in such activites as the
: above? 

his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.

(demon had no liability for such things until they were
notified, btw.)

it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.

it is not surprising that demon is the same site
through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/16
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Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4aupg0$fql@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > : In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
: > :            keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: > : > "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"
: > : > 
: > : > "It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
: > : > of a keegan anti-gay article ..."
: > : > 
: > : > this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
: > : > of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
: > : > been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
: > : > weeks.
: > : 
: > : But not in here. Ghost5 posted without the headers. I accept, 
: > : having seen the headers, that the article is not overtly from 
: > : you. That, of course, does not preclude your having written the 
: > : post in question. I shall, however, assume that you did not.
: > 
: > thank you for confirming your cowardice.
: 
: You what?

move your lips when you read if it will make things
easier for you. try it now: "thank you for confirming
your cowardice." got it?

: > had you truly not known that you reposted a vicious
: > forgery attacking gays, you would have apologized for
: > your "inadvertant" act. that you did not inplies to me
: > that you reposted the forgery knowing full well that it
: > was a forgery.
: 
: What? How the fuck do you come to that conclusion?

move your lips when you read if it will make things
easier for you. try it now: "had you truly not
known that you reposted a vicious  forgery attacking 
gays, you would have apologized for your "inadvertant" 
act. that you did not inplies to me that you reposted 
the forgery knowing full well that it was a forgery."
was that better?

: Of course, if you wren't such an obnoxious cunt and obviously 
: deserving of whatever shit comes your way, well, I might even 
: have done as you suggest.

cowards like you always seem to blame others for their
failures, don't they?

: > isn't it interesting how the forgeries and the reposts
: > of the forgeries all have demon.co.uk in common?
: 
: The fact that you're shoving all your shit into demon.local may 
: have something to do with the fact that attacks on you wil, come 
: from demon sites. 

forgeries, not attacks, is the issue. forgeries with
demon.co.uk in common. forgeries like the one you
reposted and then cowardly failed to apologoze.




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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net) wrote:
> Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
> : Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
> : post the response he made to me?
> 
> abe ran away from my email. it seemed to me that his
> behavior was that of a corrupt sysadmin.
> 
WTF is this abe person?

-- 
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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net) wrote:
> Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
> : 
> : Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
> : me to post the response he made to me?
> 
> are you surprised that there has been no reply from
> abe?
> 
Still, who is abe. And you wonder why people take the piss out of you Re: imo...

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james g. keegan jr. (keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net) wrote:
> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : 
> : Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
> : the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
> : Lovett and/or Demon.
> 
> my guess is that abe would be embarrassed to have the
> 

Again WTF is abe. Is he imo?

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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
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In article <4aupg0$fql@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4al25m$vdb@mserv.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@news.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : > "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" wrote"
> : > 
> : > "It's an interesting feature of Ghost@machine5's repost
> : > of a keegan anti-gay article ..."
> : > 
> : > this "anti-gay article" referred to by fleming is one
> : > of the forgeries of me posted through demon which has
> : > been commented on hundreds of times in the past few
> : > weeks.
> : 
> : But not in here. Ghost5 posted without the headers. I accept, 
> : having seen the headers, that the article is not overtly from 
> : you. That, of course, does not preclude your having written the 
> : post in question. I shall, however, assume that you did not.
> 
> thank you for confirming your cowardice.

You what?

> had you truly not known that you reposted a vicious
> forgery attacking gays, you would have apologized for
> your "inadvertant" act. that you did not inplies to me
> that you reposted the forgery knowing full well that it
> was a forgery.

What? How the fuck do you come to that conclusion? I know that 
your tiny little mind is incapable of much logical thought, but 
this just about takes the biscuit.

Of course, if you wren't such an obnoxious cunt and obviously 
deserving of whatever shit comes your way, well, I might even 
have done as you suggest. But you have chosen to defame me. Will 
you post or email me your postal address so that my solicitors 
can contact you?

> isn't it interesting how the forgeries and the reposts
> of the forgeries all have demon.co.uk in common?

The fact that you're shoving all your shit into demon.local may 
have something to do with the fact that attacks on you wil, come 
from demon sites. As for forgeries - please define forgery in 
your terms, so we can all see whether this accords with our 
(respective) defintions of forgery or is merely another keegan 
wordplay.

> that, and the attack on gays, as well as the earlier
> forgery attacking those in recovery should be
> considered as a reflection of demon and demon
> management, imo.

Don't call me imo. And didn't I ask you whether you'd suggested 
that I am FyRE?

-- 
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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <819138826snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
Imo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>           demitrio@cais3.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>>           Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
>> >author the following slander?
>> >
>> > >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
>> 
>> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.
>
>Making you equally responsible for the defamation (probably libel 
>rather than slander, defamation covers both).  

Oh, really?  I'm responsible for the fact that it appears to 
Keegan that, etc.?

If Christ and all his saints came down from heaven and appeared
to Keegan on a tennis court, would I be responsible for that too?

-- 


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Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: David Swarbrick <david@swarb.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/17
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Anonymised, just for Big Ears.

As a guideline for future on-liners looking to make a million
or two from a career as a defamation client

... much snipping ...

] You what?
] 
] > had you truly not known that you reposted a vicious
] > forgery attacking gays, you would have apologized for
] > your "inadvertant" act. that you did not inplies to me
] > that you reposted the forgery knowing full well that it
] > was a forgery.
] 
] What? How the fuck do you come to that conclusion? I know that 
] your tiny little mind is incapable of much logical thought, but 
] this just about takes the biscuit.
] 
] Of course, if you wren't such an obnoxious cunt and obviously 
] deserving of whatever shit comes your way, well, I might even 
] have done as you suggest. But you have chosen to defame me. Will 
] you post or email me your postal address so that my solicitors 
] can contact you?

The tip of course is that if you want to sue for libel, re-publishing
the offending piece youself, whilst showing a quite becoming humility,
is likely to reduce somewhat the measure of damages. 

-- 
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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/17
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In article <819141000snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
>           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>
>> In article <ant1503351cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
>> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
>> >> me to post the response he made to me?
>> >
>> >Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
>> >Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
>> >to see why you asked the question here in the first place
>> >and why you now repeat it.
>> 
>> Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
>> responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
>> those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
>> to post them had better be public.
>> 
>> So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
>> his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
>> the word and I'll post.
>
>You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  

Hmmm.  Now there's a problem.  Part of his response was a
peremptory refusal to read email. (Kind of strange in a
sysadmin.)

Perhaps someone who wants to see his mail could send him
this post?


-- 


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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/17
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Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
: Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
: >           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
: >
: >> In article <ant1503351cb1m20@walhall.demon.co.uk>,
: >> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >>
: >> >> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
: >> >> me to post the response he made to me?
: >> >
: >> >Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
: >> >Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
: >> >to see why you asked the question here in the first place
: >> >and why you now repeat it.
: >> 
: >> Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
: >> responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
: >> those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
: >> to post them had better be public.
: >> 
: >> So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
: >> his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
: >> the word and I'll post.
: >
: >You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
: 
: Hmmm.  Now there's a problem.  Part of his response was a
: peremptory refusal to read email. (Kind of strange in a
: sysadmin.)

i would think that might be one characteristic of a site 
with corrupt/inept management.

: Perhaps someone who wants to see his mail could send him
: this post?

but would he read it?




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
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In article <819164255snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>,
Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|In article <4aupg0$fql@wizvax.wizvax.net>
|           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
|> isn't it interesting how the forgeries and the reposts
|> of the forgeries all have demon.co.uk in common?

|The fact that you're shoving all your shit into demon.local may 
|have something to do with the fact that attacks on you wil, come 
|from demon sites. As for forgeries - please define forgery in 
|your terms, so we can all see whether this accords with our 
|(respective) defintions of forgery or is merely another keegan 
|wordplay.

"Forgery", in the Keeganese dictionary, is defined as:

for-ger-y (for'-jer-ee): (n.)  The act of disagreeing in any form with
James Keegan, Jr., regardless of level of erudition, eloquence, or
rectitude, in the form of a Usenet article.
--
                                  Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                  http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Ben says:
"When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
But they try."




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From: mancini@starbase.neosoft.com (Dr. Michael Mancini)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/17
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Paul J. Zanca (pjz@sccsi.com) wrote:
: In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>,
: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
: |Under the circumstances, the permission 
: |to post them had better be public.

: Now why would you be worried about that, Ms. Demitrio?  Are you
: expecting to be labeled a forger if you claim that you received the
: hypothetical email?

: Do you think you have enemies everywhere?

: Do you hear voices?

: Are you on medication?

The characters in this "story" are real people whose
identities are well known on the net.  This post comes from
someone who is evidently on one side of a flame war which
involves these people.
 
As a personal friend of one of the people involved, james keegan,
and as an attorney, I consider this to be an innapropriate use of
the anonymous server and I urge you to review this individual's
privileges.
 
 
               The New Adventures of Keygun
                          Part I
 
 
NOTE: Any similarity of the characters portrayed in this
entirely fictional series to any individuals, living, dead,
or living dead, or any of the situations depicted herein, is
purely coincidental.
 
 
 
   "Bring the object of my displeasure before me!" James
Keygun bellowed from the comfort of his Laz-E-Boy.
   Instantly, the two Cockroach brothers said in unison,
"Yes, Boss." They were in such a rush to kiss Keygun's ass
that they nearly ran into each other trying to leave the
room.
   As they hustled to get out of the room, Keygun turned his
attention to the computer terminal before him.
   "Damn!" he yelled. "Damn that little bastard! Melinda!"
   A somewhat attractive young woman in her early twenties
entered the room from an adjoining corridor. Her name is
Melinda Bulldozer, Keygun's personal sex slave. She was
wearing nothing but a front-hook bra from Victoria's Secrets,
designed to display her ample cleavage, and a bikini.
   "How may I serve you, M'Lord?" she asked.
   "Andrew Hurt is complaining to my sysadmin at Netcrap
again about my abuse to nyc.misc. I want you to post Standard
Apology Three from my account, and something in support of me
from yours."
   "Professor Hurt isn't one to give up easily, M'Lord."
   "Fuck Andrew Hurt!" Keygun bellowed.
   "Yes, M'Lord. Should I do that before or after I post to
   alt.frame?"
   Before Keygun could answer, the Cockroach Twins returned
to the room dragging an attractive young woman in her mid-
twenties. She was wearing a slightly-soiled skirt and blouse,
and both her wrists were locked in steel shackles. Her name
is Susan Lucerne Dementia.
   "Let me go, you jerks!" she screamed.
   "Yeah. Huh...huh...huh. Jerks." said one of the Cochroach
brothers.
   "Silence!" Keygun said, as Melinda quickly backed out of
the room. "You have been brought before me, Ray, for your
lying and your forgery on alt.frame."
   "Ray? I'm not Ray, I'm Susan."
   Keygun bolts up from his chair and hit her across the face
with the back of his hand.
   "Liar!" he screamed. "You are a potentially violent
psychopath, Ray, and there can be only one penalty for that:
death."
   "I'm not Ray." she sobbed. "I'm a woman! As real and human
as you are."
   Susan unbuttoned her blouse and pulled down her bra to
reveal her breasts.
   "Liar...forger...coward!" he yelled as he unsheathed a
cattle prod from his utility belt. He jammed it into her left
breast, which immediately sent her into screams of agony.
   "Is that a scream of extasy, Ray?"
   He observed her for a few minutes, while she lay on the
floor sobbing. All the while, his movements seemed to become
slower, as if he were the Energizer Bunny and his batteries
were running down.
   "Remove your nylons" he finally said.
   "My pantyhose? Why do you want them?"
   He slowly raised the cattle prod in her direction, which
caused her to immediately comply. When she was finished
liberating herself from them, she handed them to one of the
Cockroaches, who passed them to Keygun.
   Keygun manipulated the garment to reveal the cotton crotch
panel, putting this to his nose and inhaled deeply.
   "Ahhhh..." he said, as his strength gradually returned to
its normal, robust level. He turned to the twins.
   "Take him to the dungeon. He his pain argue with him for a
time. At dawn, I will personally supervise his execution and
his torture."
   "Heh. Heh. Youse means we kill him fwoist, then torture
him?"
   "We could, but then again the curse would begin all over
again. Don't you see? In order for the torture to be
effective, he must feel the pain. If we kill him first, he
may not feel it. Go and carry out my orders."
   "Yes, Boss." The Cochroaches dragged her bruised but
nonetheless desirable body from the room.
   "Soon." Keygun said softly. "Soon I will be so powerful
that no one on the Internet can stop me."
   He took another whiff from Susan's pantyhose.
 
 
                    TO BE CONTINUED...
 



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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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In article <4aqnkq$rlc@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> : 
> : > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
> : > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
> : > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
> : > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
> : > 
> : > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
> : > notified, btw.)
> : 
> : They have no liability in any case.  
> 
> can you post your legal credentials in international
> law? thanks.

I don't claim to have any credentials.  Do you?  I have however 
had experience in taking part in legal cases and have reference 
books on British law by my side.  I doubt that you know British 
law at all.  One way in which it differs from US law is that it 
is not necessary to show malice to prove defamation.  This means 
that your defamations are more dangerous to you than you imagine.

Another way it may differ is that electronic message carriers, 
such as Demon and other service providers, are not responsible 
for the content of the messages they carry.

> : They are a common carrier 
> : under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.
> 
> all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
> some responsibility towards criminal use

Libel is not a criminal issue.  If you think a criminal offence 
has taken place, why have you not complained to the police?  
Again, you know nothing about the relevant British law.

> of their
> systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
> great effort to trace certain callers who have
> committed crimes.

Making threatening phone calls is a crime, but defamation is a 
civil matter.  No phone company will take action of their own 
against a subscriber in the case of alleged defamation.  In the 
case of an alleged crime, they will cooperate with the police, 
but are not required to take action on their own.
 
> demon refused to take any action after acknowledging
> notification of criminal action, actions which have
> hapened repeatedly since demon acknowledged
> notification.

There has been no criminal action.  A defamatory post is a civil 
matter. 

> i believe it would be ruled that demon has liability

You are entirely wrong.  It doesn't even matter whether you 
believe I am qualified to tell you so or not; Demon no doubt know 
all the legal information applicable to their business, and have 
seen no reason to act on your whining and misrepresentations.  
They know they are not responsible for the posts you complain of, 
and that you have no case against them.  They have a case for 
defamation against you, though, anytime they want to pursue you.

> : > it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> : 
> : Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.
> 
> a known liar like you would like to censor an
> expression of opinion.

Another mistake, Keegan.  You can't get out of a defamation suit 
in Britain by claiming it was "just an opinion".  We don't even 
have a written constitution, let alone a 1st amendment.  You are 
legally responsible in law for the defamations you utter here.

> i believe demon management has been demonstrated to eb
> corrupt. does that trouble you?

I am not troubled by your repetition of your defamation.  I just 
hope you get Demon annoyed enough to do something about it.  

> : > it is not surprising that demon is the same site
> : > through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
> : 
> : Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
> : can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
> : the least wrong with providing a public service in this way
> 
> on the contrary, common carriers are required by law
> to take action to prevent criminal use of their
> systems,

There has been no "criminal use".  If there had, why haven't you 
called the cops?  Or are they ignoring you too?

> assuming demon can claim common carrier status
> in all of the nations where posts from demon appear,
> that is.

Demon aren't the carrier in your part of the world.  The company 
that carries the posts to you is Wizvax.

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  I won't see his response unless he does.

The uk.* groups removed by request, and someone said some of the 
others don't even exist. 

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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In article <4aqo3d$sba@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Donald R. Oddy <donald@grove.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
> :            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
> [...] 
> : >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> : 
> : Now this is clearly libelous
> 
> you know nothing of libel, do you?

He knows much more than you.  But doesn't everyone?  

Incidentally, you have a surprise coming to you.  Oddy hasn't 
bothered with you before, to my knowledge, but he is a very hard 
guy to shake once he is on your case.  You will have particular 
problems adapting to his posting rhythm.

> demon should shop around for counsel. it's not
> expensive at all. of course, having a case helps, i
> suspect.

And when did you last put your money where your mouth is?  You 
just whine to ISPs in hope of getting your "enemies" into trouble 
with them.  But you have made *so* many enemies.

> i note you dared not ask why it appears to me that
> demon is a site with correup managament. you know why,
> don't you?

Misspelling your defamations at this late date won't save you, 
Keegan.  Nor will the "it was just an opinion" wriggle.

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  I won't see his response unless he does.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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In article <819077664snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
           Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk "Mike Fleming" writes:

> In article <4as48i$a3l@zippy.cais.net>
>            demitrio@cais3.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
>
> > No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.
> 
> And Suzanne is perfectly right. As it is published, and not 
> spoken, it is libel.

And this holds for publication in almost any form:

Monson v. Tussauds, Ltd. 1884 1 Q.B. 671

  Placing a wax figure of the plaintiff (who had been acquitted 
  of murder) with effigies of criminals and near the Chamber of 
  Horrors was held to be actionable libel. 

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4auqi1$h3s@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> ===begin unrestore unmarked deletion
> ===end unrestore unmarked deletion

That's better.
 
> : Can you post a photocopy of your warrant, or legal writ of any kind,
> : that entitles you to demand them?  Thanks.
> 
> you were doing better when you were forging, sonny.

Can't do it, eh, Keegan?  You want to know who Fyre is, all you 
need to do is convince a court that there is a civil case to 
answer, and they will require Demon to reveal his name and 
address. 

So, why don't you do that?  Don't you think you have a 
case?

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  I won't see his response unless he does.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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In article <4b081j$re7@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <819138826snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
> Imo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Once again, Demitrio indicates that she accepts Keegan called me 
"Imo".  I object to being called "Imo", but have left it in 
because it indicates Keegan's loss of support amongst his own 
groupies. 

> >>           Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Do you imply that James Keegan, Jr. <jkeegan@netcom.com> did not
> >> >author the following slander?
> >> >
> >> > >it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
> >> 
> >> No, silly, I "imply" that it's not slander.
> >
> >Making you equally responsible for the defamation (probably libel 
> >rather than slander, defamation covers both).  
> 
> Oh, really?  I'm responsible for the fact that it appears to 
> Keegan that, etc.?

You are responsible for indicating your belief that Keegan's 
defamation of Demon is not slander.  This could be taken as a 
repetition of the original defamation, which would itself be a 
defamation.  

Maybe you can get away with claiming that you meant only that it 
was not slander, but libel, because of the form in which it is 
expressed.

> If Christ and all his saints came down from heaven and appeared
> to Keegan on a tennis court, would I be responsible for that too?

When did he claim this?

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <B-Qyq0j030n@sktb.demon.co.uk>
           pla@sktb.demon.co.uk "Paul L. Allen" writes:

> > Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > : They are a common carrier 
> > : under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.
> 
> Not entirely true.  They are assumed to have that status for now because
> the current law is not entirely clear on the matter and their have been
> no test cases.  Laws are being drafted right now to give them common
> carrier status.

Comes to the same thing.  Yes, I am aware that the law is being 
clarified to make the assumed position absolutely plain.  I don't 
think that any judge would interpret the already assumed position 
otherwise in the meantime, knowing that this clarification is on 
the way.  I am pretty sure the legislation has already passed the 
drafting stage, according to a report in PCW.

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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4auqi1$h3s@wizvax.wizvax.net>
:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

===begin restore unmarked deletion
Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
: |Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: |: In article <4ahc2h$9lh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
: |:            keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:
: |: 
: |: > his/her service provider may have asked him/her to post that
: |: > bit of slamder since it has also been posted before by
: |: > fyre, at which time demon acknowledged receipt of my
: |: > formal notification that the claim was slanderous andfalse.
: |: > 
: |: > (demon had no liability for such things until they were
: |: > notified, btw.)
: |: 
: |: They have no liability in any case.  
: 
: |can you post your legal credentials in international
: |law? thanks.
===end restore unmarked deletion

is there some reason why you ran away from that
question?

: > ===begin unrestore unmarked deletion
===begin restore unmarked deletion

===begin restore unmarked deletion
: They are a common carrier 
: under British law, and not responsible for the acts of others.

all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
some responsibility towards criminal use of their
systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
great effort to trace certain callers who have
committed crimes.

demon refused to take any action after acknowledging
notification of criminal action, actions which have
hapened repeatedly since demon acknowledged
notification.

i believe it would be ruled that demon has liability

: > it appears to me that demon is a site with corrupt management.
: 
: Talk about slander, this takes the bisquit.

a known liar like you would like to censor an
expression of opinion.

i believe demon management has been demonstrated to eb
corrupt. does that trouble you?

: > it is not surprising that demon is the same site
: > through which all the the recent forgeries were sent.
: 
: Another reference to the fact that anyone anywhere in the world 
: can use Demon's public mail to new gateways.  There is nothing 
: the least wrong with providing a public service in this way

on the contrary, common carriers are required by law
to take action to prevent criminal use of their
systems, assuming demon can claim common carrier status
in all of the nations where posts from demon appear,
that is.

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: > ===end unrestore unmarked deletion
: 
: That's better.

i can see why you'd say that. chuckle.

: > : Can you post a photocopy of your warrant, or legal writ of any kind,
: > : that entitles you to demand them?  Thanks.
: > 
: > you were doing better when you were forging, sonny.
: 
: Can't do it, eh, Keegan?  

you'll have to post your credentials, not me, yollo.

: You want to know who Fyre is, all you 
: need to do is convince a court that there is a civil case to 
: answer, and they will require Demon to reveal his name and 
: address. 

yes. i know.

: So, why don't you do that?  Don't you think you have a 
: case?

that's not my area of expertise. uk attorneys think i do 
though. of course, much has happened since fyre and any
action should include all relevant matters, don't you
agree?





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From: keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <4b081j$re7@zippy.cais.net>
:            demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
: 
: > In article <819138826snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
: > Imo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: 
: Once again, Demitrio indicates that she accepts Keegan called me 
: "Imo". 

could you repost the full article in which she makes
this indication? try not to take as long as you have to
support your lie that i called you "Imo."





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From: u9540903@qub.ac.uk (Paul Gregg)
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/17
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Firstly my apologies to everyone following this thread in a group which they
feel is innapropriate.

Who am I? My name is Paul Gregg, pgregg@nyx.net, User Support on Nyx.
I work for NIWEB Internet Marketing Ltd, pgregg@niweb.com.  I've had
quite a few run-ins with Mr Keegan, some of it enjoyable, some of it
not, and it gets less fun as you go along as you realise that logic
and reason has no meaning for Mr Keegan.

Here is a document freely available on Nyx about the whole Keegan/Nyx
fiasco. I apologies for its length but it may shed some light on the
psyche of that man/boy whois James Keegan Jr.

  Paul Gregg.


<pre>



			Beating a Dead Horse
			   A stupid story
			   In 1030+ Acts

			Last Updated: 5/26/95

Players:
	James Keegan, Jr. -- Beater of a Dead Horse
	Mark Cochran -- Keeganite, Beater of a Dead Horse
	Keith Cochran -- Keeganite, Beater of a Dead Horse
	Andrew Burt -- admin of Nyx, target of Keeganite harassment
	1000s of Nyx Users -- opposed to Keegan, victims of his harassment

	[If you don't know what Nyx is (free public access to the Net, funded
	by voluntary donations), please read the other articles in this info
	menu.  Please read them before you consider deciding that the
	Keeganites have anything valid to say (hint: they don't).  They
	help prove my assertion that the Keeganites' whining is just
	sour grapes.]

Welcome to aburt's diary of Beating a Dead Horse.  This is in response to the
harassment campaign being waged by incessant posting (to many inappropriate
groups) that the Dead Horse Beaters are waging since having lost their
Nyx accounts (for grossly improper behavior).

I've decided to create this entry in the Nyx info menu so that others who
might care what my side of it is could read it here, rather than me posting
it in reply to every one of the (literally) hundreds/thousands of messages
the Keeganites post bashing me.  Instead, I'll just post an occasional
pointer to this in the groups in which they're currently slamming me.

I'm sure they'll continue to post (I mean, hey, they stated they would
"never" stop and it's raged on for months already), so I only ask that
you remember to take what they say with a grain of salt.  Or two.  Or 1030.

But, before we start, a call for peace.

Call for peace:  If you agree with what I've done, fine, thanks, but
please don't post any more about it.  Let them rant until the cow jumps
over the moon; if they see that nobody cares maybe they'll go away; and
if they don't, well, all the easier to killfile the thread if they're
the only ones posting.  I have asked this many times, and many people have
agreed to drop it.

At the very least, if you just can't help yourself from posting, PLEASE
remove inappropriate groups (like nyx.misc, talk.abortion).  ESPECIALLY
nyx.misc; Nyx users have voted unanimously they don't want to hear about it
there any longer.

Anyway, Once Upon a Time, I saw this...

In <3ota2c$o1o@nyx10.cs.du.edu> mhughes@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Mark Hughes) writes:
>In article <3os8k2$sg2@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
>Stein Gjoen <sgjoen@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>>mhughes@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Mark Hughes) wrote:
>I understand that the Constitutional guarantee of free speech limits
>government actions not nyx actions, but the Constitutional limit is based
>on a valuable idea -- one that Andrew has repeatedly returned to and
>relied on for setting nyx policy.  I don't think one can dismiss the value
>of free speech by saying it is protected by the Constitution and the
>Constitution doesn't apply to the net, therefore we don't need to worry
>about free speech.  (Stein, just so we are clear, I don't think this is
>what you are saying) There is clearly a nyx philosphy and free speech is
>part of it. 

I agree wholeheartedly.  I even allowed Mark to rant on for two months,
just to demonstrate that it's not dissent that I oppose, but harassment.
There is a line across which dissent becomes harassment, esp. in these
cases:
	1)  The dissenter says they will *never* stop until the other party
	    gives in;
	2)  The dissent consists of an immense volume of messages, primarily
	    originating from the dissenter (and small cohort), to the
	    extent of over a thousand postings in two months (84% of all
	    traffic in the group);
	3)  The dissent consists of the same arguments posted repeatedly,
	    the "beating a dead horse" concept, constantly ignoring the
	    defenses posed to them already;
	4)  The dissent consists of other unfriendly behavior such as
	    intentional misquotes, forged articles, thinly veiled threats
	    against people and systems, etc.;
	5)  The dissenter makes unsubstantiated claims and refuses to
	    back up those claims -- e.g. Mark saying he had "vast" support
	    among Nyx users, but not ONE validated Nyx user supported him
	    when I called for ANYBODY to post that they agreed with what
	    he was doing;
	6)  The dissent is targeted toward a local newsgroup of which the
	    posters are not members (nyx.misc), and carried out in other
	    non-relevant groups (talk.abortion); including when the posters
	    are specifically and clearly told to cease posting by other
	    admins, and they continue -- netcom told the three Keegan Klowns
	    to stop posting from netcom to nyx.misc, and all three continued
	    to do it after that;
	7)  And (weakest, but still relevant), when the arguments consist
	    of deliberate (or at least obviously clueless) twists of words
	    and strange leaps of logic.  (E.g., his unique definition of
	    "forgery", or that I am a horrible evil person for "posting
	    private mail", when in fact I only did that in one instance,
	    when it contained a thinly veiled threat from Mark, just so
	    that the world would see the threat in case it was carried out.)

I hope that demonstrates to those who are new to the discussion that this
is as far from a case of Fascist Sysadmin Runs Amok as we can get.  I'm
*extremely* tolerant of free speech issues, to the point that these jokers
had to push just to see how far I'd go.  They found out, and now are
still whining about it.

In fact, this entire tirade revolves around no more and no less than
whether I lived up to my own guidelines.  I think the facts demonstrate
that I did, even exercising what some have called "extreme patience".
But, even if (big IF) not, who the hell really cares?  I guess I should
be honored that they feel me, Nyx,  and my free speech philosophy are
so important to them and the world that they have to rage on about how
awful a person I am... but, hey, even *I* don't have that big an ego.
(But, thanks guys, realizing how important I am to you gives me such a 
warm fuzzy feeling.)  Anyway, yeah, the whole thing is about nothing
more than whether I stood up for freedom of speech to the extent I
said I would (I did).  I'm truly sorry they've had to waste everyone
else's time on this, and I have and will continue to do what I can to
restore peace (though without caving in to net.terrorism).

They have repeatedly said their goal is the restoration of Keegan's account,
but, given their tactics, and that he was wrong in the first place, that
will NEVER happen.  Period.  These clowns are each persona non grata on Nyx.

Anyway, for those new to the "spewage", here's a synopsis of what
led to this Dead Horse Beating:

Background:

I'm Andrew Burt, a professor in the math/comp.sci. dept. at the University
of Denver; one of my hobbies is operating a public access internet site,
Nyx (nyx.cs.du.edu).  There is no cost to use Nyx (voluntary donations
are our support).  Among our 10,000 mostly well-behaved users we have
had three, James Keegan, Keith Cochran, and Mark Cochran (brothers),
who have engaged in a divisive campaign of harassment against me as
admin and our entire user population.  They have, partly as a result, all had
their accounts revoked within the last six months or so -- first K. Cochran
voluntarily left rather than defend his tactics of harassment in another
newsgroup, then Keegan had his revoked for violating the terms of a
"cease fire" I had brokered/imposed between him and another user, the agreed
upon penalty for breaking that cease fire being loss of both accounts,
and then M. Cochran lost his account for two months of incessant
harassment in what I assume is vengeance for the other two losing theirs.

I should add that this is not an issue regarding opinions -- e.g., this
entire matter is not based on a difference of opinion regarding some
controversial topic like abortion, etc. -- I don't know what their
opinions are on any such matters, that has never come into play; we've
come to arguments over their tactics alone.  I call it harassment (and
think I've allowed far more than nearly any other admin I've ever met)
and they call it free speech.  I will append a copy of our free speech
policies on Nyx so you can see that they are among the most liberal of
any site, and fall just short of "anything goes" -- even so, these three
have managed to exceed these limits.  Briefly, Nyx's policy regarding
free speech is "defend or apologize", except for clear-cut cases of
unacceptable behavior; it is my opinion, and that of every Nyx user who
has voiced an opinion, and of almost all Net users who've spoken about
it, that these guys have crossed the line.

[Just to be more precise, they still have logins (kcochran, keegan,
mcochran) but they are "preview" users that cannot read or send mail,
cannot post, can do nothing except browse; there is no limit on who
can have one of these since they have no privileges at all.  Only
"validated" Nyx users can do anything, and these three have all had
their validations revoked for their abuses.]

To explore the depth of the problem regarding the postings to nyx.*,
here is a quote from Mark Cochran sent to me in email (though he says
he's said this publicly "many times" so I see no harm in quoting it here).

I said I would not restore Keegan's account (for reasons explained
below).  I said:
	AB1> The issue now is what YOU are
	AB1> doing, since I am making it damn clear that I'm not doing anything
	AB1> different, no matter what you say or do.)

He replied, in reference to his harassment tactics:
	MC1> And I wish to make it "damn clear" that I am not doing anything
	MC1> differently, until and unless your stance on forgery is reversed.

I replied back, asking for a clarification on the harassment issue:
	AB2> This sounds like a threat of continued harassment since I've stated
	AB2> it in no uncertain terms that I will not reverse my stance on libel
	AB2> (what you call "forgery").
 
He clarified that yes, he wasn't going to ever give up:
	MC2> And you make identical threats to me, since I've stated it in no
	MC2> uncertain terms that I will not reverse my stance on your poor
	MC2> decision.

In other words, he (and his chums) plan to continue their harassment until
I give in (which isn't happening, since I feel I'm right, and since I
don't give in to bullies in any case).

So, to date, within the last two months [as of 5/7/95] or so (since I
revoked Keegan's account), Keegan and the two Cochran's have amassed
these statistics:

Of 1375 (1229 postings by humans) postings to nyx.misc (our general
purpose newsgroup)

	452 have been from Keegan (240), K. Cochran (62) and M. Cochran (150)
		[plus 578 in response to these]

All told, these 1030 articles, of 1229, represent 84% of all nyx.misc
traffic, and a five-fold increase in traffic.  Nyx has many novices who
aren't aware of killfiles, or use newsreaders lacking that feature, so
the argument that users should just ignore them is not feasible; users
ARE subjected to their postings, and they know it.

This is over a period of TWO MONTHS.  (Nyx users have said I've exhibited
amazing patience in this; but I don't lightly act on revoking a user's
account).  I would like to point out that even though this represents
three user account revocations inside six months, these are the ONLY three
users to lose their accounts for harassment incidents in the entire six
years of Nyx's operation, during which we've seen over 100,000 users
create accounts.  So this is an extremely rare event, which (I hope)
implies that I don't just do this on a whim or without extremely good
reason.  (I don't even know these three people, have never met them,
don't know what their opinions are, etc.  All I know is that they are
harassing me and my system and have said outright they will not stop.)

Further, some or all three have been accused, repeatedly, of:

	- Forging entire news articles
	- Altering the quotes attributed to users to make them say
	  the opposite of what was originally said
	- Harassing other newsgroups with similar tactics
	- Making false claims about what other people said
	- Thinly veiled threats against people or systems

Before I took this most recent action of disabling Mark's account, I
told him to "put up or shut up" since he said he knew that a "vast"
number of validated Nyx users shared his views -- yet *none* have come
to his defense.  Given that we have an extremely liberal free speech
policy, and that I've only shut people off after *months* of harassment,
one posting or email of support would hardly be any risk.  Yet nobody
agrees with him.  He has no support except among his close allies, all
of whom act in a similar hostile manner.

(He claimed his supporters had no other net accounts to go to, and
couldn't afford to lose their (free) Nyx accounts.  To that, I say
	1) They must not really agree with him very much; or
	2) They must not be willing to stand up for what they believe in; or
	3) They don't exist.
Note that (3) actually *is* commensurate with his statement they have no
other accounts -- people who don't exist don't have other accounts! :-)
I did check the /var/log/syslog file that records who sends mail to whom,
and didn't see any traffic to him from Nyx users other than from those who had
posted in opposition.  So I'm confident when I call this one a bald-faced lie.)

At this point you're probably wondering what started all this.  Here's
a brief chronology of events:

- Keegan is widely known for his inflammatory posting techniques, a
  practice he seems proud of.
- Keegan has been accused of altering text attributions and "creative
  editing" to make it appear other users said things they did not.
- Another Nyx user, Steven Pordon, begins tangling with Keegan in
  talk.abortion and alt.flame; Keegan fakes quotes of Pordon, Pordon
  fakes Keegan quotes back.
- Keegan demands Pordon apologize for "forging".
- Problem: Pordon's admitted action (altering the words attributed to K)
  is not "forgery".  "Libel" more likely.  Pordon made no effort to hide
  his alterations, even bragging about them and pointing them out.  He
  could well have argued that it was parody since they were apparently
  things Keegan would never be likely to say (the humorous opposite).
- I tell K this, and that libel is not covered by the Nyx guidelines
  but that it's a "real world" legal matter between him and P, but that
  I suggest both of them just agree to disagree and stop.
- K and P bicker voluminously about it, K harassing me with forwards
  and demands to do something about P.  I reiterate it is his problem,
  that both are to blame, and that if K *really* feels he's being harmed
  by this nonsense, to take P to court or else just drop it; he blows this off
  and keeps harassing me to do something about it.
- So I tell K & P to BOTH knock it off, that it's up to him to pursue
  in court if he feels strongly, or to leave it alone; K says "thanks
  for the defusing effect" and admits he has a hard time letting things go.
- But K & P keep at it.
- After a while, at K's INSISTENCE I do something, I tell both K and P
  to stop.  That I feel both are at fault for not dropping it nor for
  taking any real steps toward trying to solve the underlying problems.
- I tell K and P if they do not stop, I will revoke BOTH accounts.
- P says he will stop, and does.  (K even admits to this day that P stopped.)
- K does not disagree or resist this in any way.  Given that he replies to
  almost every post he's mentioned in, I think I'm correct in assuming that
  since he isn't complaining publicly or privately about my imposed
  settlement terms that he is accepting them.  In fact, he keeps quiet
  about it for a month, further proof that he had no disagreement with
  the terms.
- K later starts up again, posting about P's "forgery"; thus invoking my
  forewarned loss of account.  After months of this I wasn't in the mood
  for more childish games so I swiftly revoked both accounts (feeling somewhat
  sorry for P since he'd been quiet, but, that's what I said I'd do).
- I do offer K and P their accounts back if both will reaffirm their commitment
  to abide by Nyx account guidelines, which specifically include following
  netiquette (as well as stopping an activity when the admin says stop).
- P agrees immediately.
- K says he will not agree unless everyone else on Nyx also re-agrees.
- This is a false argument, as other users have not lost their account,
  and only those users who have lost accounts are being asked to reaffirm this.
- At this point K. Cochran (who'd given up his account months ago voluntarily
  by refusing to respond to complaints lodged against him, per the terms
  of our policies -- in specific, he said he would never again defend himself,
  and that he "expected" me to follow up on my stated policy and remove
  his account; I did) and his brother Mark, plus Keegan from his other
  accounts, begin their campaign of harassment against me for my actions.
- Their postings are almost always of the "beating a dead horse" variety,
  repeating the same issues over and over (and over and over and over).
  I played for a while, defending myself again and again, until I finally
  said I wouldn't repeat my defense, I'd said it all enough times and
  they weren't bringing up anything new.
- They continued posting their Dead Horse arguments.
- I received numerous complaints from Nyx users who found it disruptive.
- It also has taken a large amount of my time, just reading and replying
  to readers new to the threads about what was going on -- and time is
  an important issue for me since I only have a few hours a week to spend
  working on Nyx (my real jobs of teaching, research, admin'ing the
  department network, and consulting taking up nearly all my time).  Thus
  they were/are having a genuinely disruptive effect on Nyx itself by
  taking away my time (I've done nearly nothing on Nyx except this for
  two months now).  I feel the need to defend myself sufficient so they don't
  look like they're correct just based on sheer volume and repetitiveness
  of their arguments.

They've made many, many, many other allegations, all of which are spurious.
(Either totally false, misstated, grossly overstated, and so on.)  Plus they
raise some non-issues in an effort to confuse.  I suggest you don't take
what they say very seriously, it's just sour grapes on their part.  But
here are some random samples:

*** Mark gripes that I'm a horrible evil person because I post private email.
Considering I only did that *once*, when it contained a thinly veiled threat
from Mark Cochran, and I wanted to defuse the threat by making it public, I
hardly think I qualify.  I rarely post private email, very rarely.  I usually
respect the privacy of the sender, and consider it generally inconsiderate
to republish except in certain circumstances.  However, it *is* the recipients
right to do with the letter as they please; I advise people if they
don't want it repeated, don't say it.

*** Also, be wary of those who post in support of them.  While I don't doubt
that *some* of the postings come for real human beings distinct from Keegan
and the two Cochrans, it is widely rumored, and in fact I do have proof,
that they use accounts in alternate names to "pump up" the number of people
who apparently agree with them.  I, personally, only know of three distinct
people (JK, MC, KC), since they were validated users on Nyx, and validation
means submitting proof of identity (*notarized* form or pre-printed personal
check).  There have been others who *might* be real, but not all Internet
Service Providers check these things -- as long as you pay, they don't care.
(Nyx doesn't take that attitude since there's no charge; we have to have
*some* way of preventing abuse, so we check IDs.  Those who don't want a
public persona can have an anonNNNN account.  This policy works wonderfully.)
AOL, for example, apparently lets anyone post with a freebie "starter" account,
under any name they want.  (I do in fact have proof of this, but prefer
not to make it public since it was sent to me as confidential email;
if you don't want to believe me on this one point, fine, but the rest of
the facts amply prove my point anyway, this is just icing on the cake.)

*** Just to demonstrate that Nyx is far more tolerant than most sites,
I wrote to the admins of the sites they were spamming nyx.misc from
remotely, after they were evicted.  Each site told them to stop.  (I
did say anyone in the world was invited to post to one group,
nyx.policy, should anyone actually care.  Of course, the Keegan Klowns
have flooded that, but, who cares.)  Nyx users subsequently voted
(unanimously) to prevent external postings to nyx.misc.  Again, not a
single Nyx user defending their tactics.

*** The Keeganites claim I was unfair in asking their admins to tell
them to stop posting to nyx.misc, and not others who posted in favor of
what I did.  What they don't say is that I asked many people as
individuals to stop, and they said they would, so no need to bother
their admins.  I only asked admins to silence them when they wouldn't
quit of their own accord.  Just another example of how they twist words
to imply what they want, not the truth.  I mean, if you think they're
being harassing, or otherwise violating netiquette, and have asked them
to stop, and they've refused, you might ask their admin too.)
Yes, this includes the "Truland incident".

***  Mark posted,
	The basic question, I think,
	is "does the sysadmin of a public system have any right to tell users
	what subjects may or may not be discussed". 
No, but this is just a dodge, meant to obscure the issue.  I let them
rage on for months; if I wanted to prevent dissent, I would have acted
immediately.  It's not *what* they said, it's *how* they said it --
repetitively, and incessantly.  See statistics above.  If any other
thread had gone on like this in nyx.misc, and when the participants
refused to cool it after it was obvious they were beating the dead
horse, and I'd received as many complaints about it from Nyx users,
I'd take the same action.  So would nearly any other admin (usually sooner);
as, in fact, they did, when I brought this to their attention.

*** That I justified a March posting with a February letter.  No, that (as
it said) was just a sample, I didn't have the original.  I'd already
told them in February to cease-fire, quick acting like children, and
threatened to pull both their plugs.

*** That DU should care about this.  I doubt it.  They are nearly 100%
disentangled from Nyx now, supplying only a tabletop to sit the machines
on and electricity.  Nyx is self-supporting and pays for all other services
that aren't donated (T1, phones, equipment, etc.).  Besides, even if they
didn't, historically they've taken a much less liberal attitude than I have
regarding free speech, and would thus almost certainly back me entirely (if
not chide me for being too tolerant).

*** That DU is state funded, thus the 1st amendment should apply.  (a) DU
is private.  (b) The 1st amendment doesn't include harassment, which this
most obviously is.

Well, there were other pot shots they took at me that I defended in the
past, I'm not going to list every one of them here.  Suffice to say I don't
think they've said a single thing about me that is troublesome.  Mostly
they post falsehoods, twists on words, gibberish, etc.

Anyway, I've had enough.  Below is our free speech policy, for your
information.  I believe I have followed it to the 't'.  I believe Nyx is
still one of the most tolerant sites of free speech you'll find on the net.

I think this whole matter speaks for itself, and caution you that if you
get into it you may well find yourself harassed too; however, if they
lose their accounts everywhere they go, maybe that will send them a message.

Regardless, I urge restraint, and sing the common song on the net, "if you
ignore them they'll eventually go away".  Peace.

=======  Nyx free speech policy ======

Hello, this is Prof. Andrew Burt, of the U. of Denver Math/CS dept.,
also known as the system admin of Nyx (nyx.cs.du.edu).

In regards to your note, please accept my apologies at replying with this,
well, form letter.  Let me state up front that if you're not satisfied with
my generic answer to your concern, I'd be happy to elaborate if you ask.
Note that I have read your message, this is not any kind of automatic
reply; I merely felt that I could reply in the most detail with this
document I wrote up because I get many such messages (running a site of
10,000+ users has its downside; I try to keep them educated, but...).
Anyway, problems relating to freedom of speech, censorship, breaches of
netiquette, etc. arise often enough that I've found that I can solve the
problems faster and more comprehensively with this approach, rather than
typing in substantially the same information (though usually so much
more tersely and hastily that content gets lost).  So here's my verbose
version, which, hopefully, will cover your concerns.

With that in mind, here is my (Nyx's) policy regarding "content" issues
from Nyx users.

The assumption I make in writing this note is that you've written me
saying "one of your users, J. Smith, has done the following thing, X,
which I [and maybe lots of other people, by implication] find offensive,
please talk to J. Smith [tell them to cease, take away the account, boil
them in oil, etc.].", or something to that effect.

In particular I'm thinking of the following types of cases:

	- User posts highly obnoxious material (e.g., has opinions you
		think nearly every sane person disagrees with, like Nazi
		propaganda)
	- User posts material not appropriate to a newsgroup
		(e.g., way off topic, inappropriate language, flame-baiting)
	- User posts material you consider libelous against yourself
	- User does "Followup-to: misc.test", causing you to get tons of
		auto-replies when you tried to follow up
	- User is (in your opinion) harassing you
	- User floods a newsgroup with garbage posts
	- User publicly posts information you'd rather they didn't
		(e.g., your home address, real name, e-mail you sent them, etc.)
	- User posts blatantly commercial material
	- User posts to a newsgroup you think should be removed
	- User creates a usergroup you don't think should exist
	- User insists on "pushing the envelope" with respect to netiquette
	- User ripped you off in an e-mail transaction selling something
	- Etc.

Though perhaps not exactly what you are asking about, to my mind you were
asking about something similar (or I wouldn't have sent this note).

[Note, in some cases, e.g., a user does something "clearly" illegal (posts
credit card numbers, for example), I take a different, tougher, stand (but you
probably wouldn't get this letter if I thought it was "clearly" illegal).
But, see below for more on what I mean by "clearly" illegal.]

First, a few facts about Nyx...

	- Nyx is a public access site.  Users on Nyx are almost never
		students, faculty, or staff at DU (U. of Denver).  Users
		don't pay for accounts, they're free (we accept donations,
		but don't have a hard sell).  So, we have no direct ties
		to Nyx users -- we can't fire them from DU, kick them out
		of school, etc.  We could, at most, remove their account.
		Fortunately, we've peaceably resolved almost every instance of
		complaint against Nyx users without having to remove accounts.

	- I (Prof. Andrew Burt, from DU's math/comp.sci. dept.) run Nyx
		as a hobby, and have various Nyx users who volunteer time
		to help out.  Thus we don't have a phone number to call for
		support, we don't have an official organization, nobody's
		paid, etc.  So if I've been a little slow to respond, for
		example, this is probably why.

	- To eliminate some problems before they occur, we have an
		X-Disclaimer header in all outgoing news/mail.  It tries to
		summarize in one short sentence that DU doesn't have any
		control over what Nyx user's say.

	- The philosophy of Nyx is that all people should have an opportunity
		for access to the net (which originated as primarily only
		accessible to those fortunate enough to work/etc. somewhere
		that had net access) and at reasonable cost (unlike, say,
		compuserve, prodigy, etc.).  This "diversity" thus includes
		people with many different opinions.

	- Nyx is in the United States, and the US Constitution has a strong
		paragraph protecting freedom of speech.  Though this has
		been restricted by various Supreme Court rulings, for the
		most part, almost "anything goes" as far as being protected
		by law as free speech.

	- As I've examined the law (of course I'm not a lawyer), Nyx
		meets the criteria for "common carrier" status.  This means
		that content issues on Nyx are treated like the telephone
		company would treat them.  (Most BBS's & internet sites do
		_not_ meet this definition, and get treated as more
		restrictive entities, e.g., like newspapers (which have
		editors), bookstores/libraries, etc.  The crucial test for
		common carrier status, as I understand it, is whether the
		alleged carrier is willing to provide service to absolutely
		anyone who asks, or if they reserve the right to refuse service
		to users who meet certain criteria.  Nyx doesn't examine any
		user's "qualifications" to use Nyx.)  By this analogy,
		Nyx deals with content of user messages much like the phone
		company deals with the content of phone messages -- pretty
		much "hands off".  Which isn't to say we ignore problems and
		don't try to help resolve them:  It means we try our best,
		but unless some law is broken, etc., we rarely revoke accounts.
		It does mean, absolutely, that we don't screen outgoing
		messages for acceptability.  Note that even the court
		cases using the "usual" criteria mostly favor the
		newspaper/library/etc.

		In a similar vein, Nyx carries a full newsfeed.  We don't
		restrict what groups are carried (ok, well, we don't carry
		most of the regional ones, but that's for lack of space).
		I don't feel it's my place to decide what groups are acceptable
		for users to see.  There are many groups that carry material
		offensive to people; the problem is that not everyone
		agrees what's offensive -- indeed, I doubt there's any
		single group or viewpoint that everyone would agree is
		offensive.

		Further, some groups carry material of dubious legal nature.
		As much as I personally dislike that, the issue remains
		the same.  Like a phone company, I am not in the business of
		scanning all data for legality, nor preventing its flow when it
		comes to light.  Such problems are netwide anyway, and
		need to be addressed at that level, not site by site.

	- Nyx users do have to have their identity proven before they can
		post or send mail.  The test for identity is fairly stiff:
		Either submitting (1) a notarized form and photocopy of a
		legal ID or (2) a pre-printed cashable, personal check.
		Not perfect, but more stringent than many sites on the net.
		This includes "semi-anonymous" accounts, i.e., usernames of
		the form anon9999 -- these users have proven their real
		identity and we have agreed not to divulge their identity
		except in cases of need to law enforcement, etc.  (Which is
		extremely rare.)  Note that until they are "validated",
		users are in a "preview" mode where they can do almost
		*nothing* -- they can read news (readonly), read some
		Nyx documents, and that's about it.  No posting, no
		email (send OR receive), no irc, telnet, etc.  As I
		usually put it, they can't even blow their own noses.

You can probably already get a sense of what our policy is regarding what
people do from Nyx.  In short, Nyx users are accorded the advantage of
freedom of speech as far as it can be stretched.  I do not practice
censorship.  We've had cases that have tested this stance in the past,
and the consensus of the net (by a huge margin) was that users on the
net should be able to judge for themselves what is trash/annoying/etc.
and what's not.

My position upon receiving a complaint such as yours is to talk to the user
about it, and see if they will voluntarily agree they've done something
wrong and to cease, etc.  I do my best to convince them that it's in their
own best interest to do so.  I usually succeed.  (I've even eked out a public
apology here and there, but that's rare.)

I personally feel that censorship is a horrible thing, and if the price of
freedom of speech is that there's some amount of garbage we have to suffer
for it, it's well worth the price.  (But letting each person decide what's
"garbage" is a benefit in itself -- not everyone agrees with you, or me,
about what's drivel or brilliant.)  We all have the right to not read things;
but only if they're available to us to read/not-read in the first place.
I don't believe in having a sanitized view of the world -- since nobody
will ever agree what needs to be censored, it's better to have it all
uncensored than live with someone else's bias.

Thus, in the case of your concern, my response is this:

	- If you haven't already, express your displeasure to the user
		directly.  Don't assume that mailing to postmaster@site is
		the best thing to do first.  Do that only after you've
		received no satisfaction from the user directly.  I have
		little sympathy for people who whine to the sysadmin when
		they haven't even told the user "to their face" about their
		problem.
	
	- In case you're reading this before you've actually sent me mail,
		but you've reached a dead end with the user, go ahead
		and send me a note clearly explaining the problem.
		I'm aburt@nyx.cs.du.edu.

	- I'll talk to the user about it.  Their version of events may
		not match yours, so I want to hear their side.  I'll
		try to convince them to act in a manner that is best for
		humanity as a whole.  (Many users do things in a selfish
		way, so I try to educate them about the harmful effects of
		that.  I usually use a semi-"golden rule" approach -- what if
		*everybody* did the same thing you did?  Etc.)  I'm getting
		fairly good at mediation. :-)

	- However, it's probably their right to say/do what they're doing.
		Usenet is a unique thing in the world, having no central
		government and generally encouraging users to do what they
		want (certainly not discouraging it).  This is what makes
		it special, and is a thing to be valued, not casually
		destroyed.  It may be better for them to continue (assuming
		they're really selfish and can't be convinced otherwise) than
		to start censoring them about it.

	- If they're doing something "possibly" illegal -- that is, you think
		it is, but it's not something obvious to anyone -- e.g., you
		say they've committed libel, but since I don't know you, or
		them, I can't tell if it's true or not, or damaging, etc.,
		then I have to refer you to the US court system.  Electronic
		messages are subject to the same libel laws as paper messages.

		But, *I* can't be the judge -- a JUDGE has to be the judge.
		Like a phone company, I won't shut off service to someone
		because they used the phone to slander you.  Or like the post
		office, who won't refuse service because someone libeled you
		by mail.  Another example would be if they allegedly posted
		something copyrighted.  I'm not in the position to judge if
		something is copyrighted by someone else or not -- that's for
		the copyright holder to act on.  (But feel free to tell *them*
		about it.  Though it might not hurt to inform the user about
		the problem first, in case it was accidental.)

		If you deliver me evidence that it *is* libel, etc. (such
		as a court judgment, restraining order, etc.) then I will
		be most cooperative in telling or forcing them to cease.

		Allegations of harassment sometimes fall into this category
		(but sometimes they're blatantly obvious to me, and fall into
		the next category below).  In any instance where someone
		claims harassment I will most likely ask both you and the
		user to simply stop communicating with each other; if you're
		not doing anything to provoke the user, then you presumably
		will have no objection to this.  On the other hand, there
		have been instances where one person knowingly baits a
		Nyx user into communicating with them, then claims harassment.
		I do my best in these cases, but sometimes even the Wisdom of
		Solomon wouldn't be enough.  If both you and the other user
		are Nyx members, so I have "jurisdiction" over both, and
		I feel both of you are at fault, I may ask both of you to
		"cease fire".  But, if I only have a say over one user, and
		it appears to me that both sides are at fault, I may only
		_suggest_ both parties cease hostilities -- it wouldn't be
		fair to penalize only one side in such a case (which has
		happened more than once, hence the explicit mention).

		Many instances of these "alleged" illegal or rude actions
		are so murky that I just have to do my best and realize I
		can't please everyone.  Fortunately, there is still a "real
		world" court system, so if you feel I've not acted the way
		you'd like, and feel the need to handle the user differently,
		my advice (as much as I hate encouraging lawsuits) would be
		to take that person to court.  One could argue that if
		you don't feel *that* strongly about what the user allegedly
		did (presumably did to _you_) then I would suggest it's
		not that big a deal in the first place.  But the fact
		remains that if you don't like how I handle something, there
		are alternatives.  I will try my best to resolve all
		difficulties nonetheless, but I can't please everyone; I
		just call them like I see them.

	- If they're doing something absolutely, knowingly, blatantly,
		"clearly", illegal, say, posting credit card numbers to
		be used for fraud, or posting "here's a site you can get
		pirated warez from", or post a copy of well known commercial
		software (something nearly anyone would recognize as such),
		or they crack passwords on your machine and break in --
		then I'm much more likely to take direct action.  In
		this case, what I do is send them back to "preview"
		(unproven identity) status, as I highly doubt anyone
		would use their real name to do something this clearly
		illegal (and stupid).  I usually impose stricter
		identity checks at that point also.  This has the net
		effect of removing their account, but not as
		punishment.

	- A special and recurring common case is commercialism.  There is
		no law against commercial posts, but I will likely scold
		someone for it since it does go against common netiquette.
		However, unless they are being truly obnoxious about it,
		it may well fall within their right to free speech.  I
		just take them case by case; most of them result in
		apologies, hopefully it will continue this way.

	- There seemingly should be some sort of "statute of limitations".
		I mean, if someone complains about a posting sent off a
		many weeks ago, it's probably not worth the effort at this
		late date -- it was either dealt with at the time if someone
		else felt upset about it, or you're the only one, and
		thousands of other people didn't have a problem with it.
		But if it's really old, you may be best off just dropping
		it and not dredging up what is likely to be a closed issue.
		The only obvious exception I can see would be private
		email to you that you feel is harassing/threatening and you
		didn't read it until just now (e.g. you were out of town).

	- I'm willing to act as a mediator in your dispute, and try to get
		you and the other side to come to terms.  However, both you
		and they need to have a open mind.  But, I'm game.

	- But, one thing I would never to, to anyone -- you, them, etc. --
		is to just shut off their account because I disagree with
		what they've done.  As much as you, or even I, might think
		they're an awful person, I won't sink below them by
		censoring them, and I will try to convince you likewise.


Some other concerns I'd like to express:

	- Do you know for a FACT that the user you're accusing truly
		did what you say?  It is very possible that a posting or
		e-mail message was forged.  Forgery is extremely easy, and
		basically impossible to trace/prove.  So easy that you
		really can't trust the name on any article or email. 
		You can have more trust if it has a pgp signature on it,
		but even that's not 100%.  I'd hate to jump all over someone
		who really didn't do what they're accused of.  Remember,
		innocent until proven guilty makes sense on the net too.

	- Please understand that in many cases, what they've done isn't
		against any law, and it may not even be stretching
		what's acceptable behavior on the net.  In some
		newsgroups, for example, it's competely acceptable to
		have "Followup-to: misc.test", just because that's the
		culture of the net.  Many novices don't understand this
		(and I'm not saying _you're_ a novice, as I almost
		certainly don't know you), but many of the complaints I
		received that have led to the writing of this have been
		from users who just didn't understand that, well,
		Usenet is just this way.  It's the purest form of free
		speech that's ever existed (to my knowledge), and often
		shocks people not expecting it.  It's something to be valued.

		Likewise, Usenet allows users to create and delete
		groups themselves.  Though this isn't absolutely
		common knowledge how to do this, it's not hard.  I might
		scold users for invoking such magic, but, it's not a
		crime to do it.

	- Please make it clear whether you're complaining about the
		content of the message, or the style/format.  In many cases,
		it's not so much *what* someone is saying that's offensive,
		but the manner in which they say it.  I wish everyone would
		be polite and discuss things intelligently, without acrimony,
		but, it just won't happen.  Sometimes people have a valid
		message to get out, but just phrase it extremely poorly.
		Sometimes all that's needed is a little education.

		For example, when it's a matter of style (e.g., loud obnoxious
		postings, frequently repeated, etc.) I try to convince
		the sender that *they're* better off if they make it a little
		softer "sell".  People with unpopular opinions often feel a
		need to shout their opinions loudly, thinking this will gain
		them followers.  I tend to believe that if they speak them
		softly and intelligently they'll carry much greater weight. 
		(It's just common sense: If you offend the person you're
		trying to convert, you'll never convert them.)

		Matters of content alone are trickier.  This is where the
		issue of censorship comes into play in full force.  I.e.,
		they say it nicely, it's just that you hate what they say.
		E.g., silver-tounged Nazi propaganda.  Most people (myself
		included) find these type of views highly repugnant.  However,
		I prefer to live in a world where people are free to express
		those views.  The problem is that humanity, as a group, could
		never decide exactly where to draw the line between what's
		"acceptable" and what's "not acceptable".  I'd rather let
		each person judge for themself.  I believe evil views are
		better off withering in the public light than festering and
		growing in the dark.

	- I agree users have a responsibility to live with the consequences
		of their speech.  I want to make it clear that I'm not
		saying users on Nyx can say any old thing and get away with
		it.  We're not a pirate board, etc.  We are, though, a very
		diverse group of users, and most of us are pretty tolerant
		of others.  Again, note that anonymous users on Nyx are not
		100% anonymous.  Their identity is known, so they can't
		act with reckless abandon.

	- Remember that not everyone will agree with your position either.
		For example, if a user posted something offensive to usenet,
		and you want said user censored, try posting a note saying
		"I'm conducting a poll, how many people want username@nyx
		censored, vote yes/no", and I'm sure you'll find that you
		get both yes and no votes.  And both the "yes"s and the
		"no"s will usually be very vehement in their position.

	- Tolerance.  I guess the key word is Tolerance.  Though I personally
		disagree with the views of many Nyx users, I tolerate their
		right to say/do things.  I will often try to "educate" them that
		their views seem to lead to a poorer state for all
		humanity, but I won't *force* my views on them, and I ask
		that they not *force* their views on others.  (But I won't
		force them not to force their views on people... etc.)


So, where do we go from here?

	- If you haven't contacted the user directly, do so.

	- I'll talk to the user, though I don't have time to update everyone
		on the results; if you're really curious, write me back after
		a while and ask whatever happened.  I won't just ignore it,
		though I may not produce any results either.

	- If you don't think I've addressed your concern, write me back,
		clarifying things.

	- If I've addressed it but you're just not happy with how I handle
		things, still write me back, maybe we can work things out.
		Or perhaps we can agree to differ, and leave it at that.

	- Nyx has a policy that users must stand behind their words, or
		lose their account.  That is, I believe that users who post
		material not appropriate, etc., need to either justify their
		actions to their detractors, or apologize, or lose their
		account on Nyx.  To this end, expect some correspondence
		from the instigator of this within a few days.  I give users
		a week (after their next login), then their account is
		deactivated.  ** If you haven't heard from them in a
		while after getting this (i.e., a week after a finger on them
		shows they logged in), please drop me a note so I can
		investigate if I got a copy, etc. **

		A "punishment" deactivation like this may be permanent
		(if the user blatantly ignores the problem resolution
		process, for example) or for a set period of time, most
		commonly six months for the first deactivation, then one
		year, then two, doubling for each offense; all at my
		discretion of course, depending on mitigating factors, etc.
		I'll do what I feel is fair, you'll just have to trust me.

	- I discourage you from trying to take things higher within DU,
		however.  Sending to postmaster@cs.du.edu just goes back
		to me.  Sending to postmaster@du.edu goes to a colleague
		who forwards it to me.  Contacting the chairman of our
		department gets it sent to me.  Contacting the chancellor
		of the university gets it, you guessed it, sent to me.
		From what I've seen from past cases, most of those up
		the chain from me share the same basic values regarding
		freedom of speech, so the only effect of contacting them
		is to slow things down (i.e., while the message gets
		sent back to me).

	- If you have a problem of a legal nature with a user, and we can't
		resolve it by talking, you do have recourse within the
		court system.  I hate to say "you need to sue them", but,
		if you feel strongly, that's an option open to you.  I
		don't encourage you to name DU in such a suit, as it's
		highly likely the stand we take as explained above will
		hold up in court.  It makes a much sense as suing the
		post office because you don't like the mail you received,
		for example.

I try to run a philosophically consistent ship, i.e., one that values
people's views at an occasional price of minor offense.  If the mathematics
existed for it, one could probably prove that these kinds of problems have
*no* solution; the best one can hope for is some kind of overall maximum.
I do what I think is best toward that goal, i.e., best for humanity as a
whole and each individual.  I hope I've explained my actions and
reasoning so you understand where I'm coming from.  If you have any more
comments, I'm aburt@nyx.cs.du.edu.


Appended here is a copy of the text sent to the poster:
==========
[Form letter, but don't let that fool you.]  By getting this letter, someone
on the net has written me expressing a grievance about something you posted
to usenet, or a similar complaint.

Typically this means you posted something they considered "rude" or to a
group that has little or nothing to do with your subject matter.

I have sent them a copy of Nyx's free speech policy, which you should also
read (it's in the menus in the info menu, or just read the file
/nyx/info/free.speech).

As it says, I believe users who post things should stand behind their words.
My philosophical reasons for this are that the net (and human relations
in general) are fragile, and need each one of us to tend to them.  When one
person selfishly acts like a twit for no good reason, it acts to tear down
what's good about humanity (and things like the net).  Yet, if you have
equally strong philosophical feelings justifying your actions, then I think
they need to be heard by all concerned.  In other words, stand up for what
you said, or retract it (with apologies and promises of not doing it again).

Hence, Nyx's policy on this sort of behavior is:

	YOU contact each person who has "accused" you of bad behavior
	AND "cc" your discussion to me so I know you have replied
	and what was said.

	The content of said message should be one of:

		1)  Thorough and iron-clad defense of why you believe
		    what you said was correct, appropriate, not
		    rude, etc. etc.; or
		2)  An apology and statement that you won't do it again.
		    (In the case of a news posting, you must post an
		    apology to the same groups as the offending post, in
		    addition to replying by email to each person.)

Failure to send email to both me and each user whose message I forward
to you, within one week of next login after it's forwarded, will result
in your Nyx account being unvalidated (reverting to preview mode).  [My
assumption being that you don't care enough to deal with it.]

Of course, if you invoke #2, and DO do it again, you'll lose your account
for being insincere.  Think of it as a "two strikes and you're out" rule.
Also, making frivolous and totally irrational justifications will count as
neither #1 or #2, and result in account termination.  That is, if you're
going to argue your point, you have to be rational and logical about it,
not just blabbering.

Account terminations may be permanent or for some fixed period of time,
depending on mitigating factors.  For example, a first offense may result
in six month's deactivation, a second in a year's, then two year's, etc.
As sysadmin I retain full decision in "sentencing", but these are the
guidelines I'm likely to follow.

Also recall that to obtain your Nyx account you signed a contract which
included the point that you will not violate usenet etiquette.  If you have
a problem with netiquette (which has evolved basically along the same
philosophical principles I adhere to), then -- leave the net.

Please remember when you post that you're not alone in the world, nor does
the world revolve around you.  Put a better way, apply the "What if everybody
did this?" test to your actions.  For example, if everybody posted to
newsgroups that weren't relevant (as a joke, to get attention, whatever),
we'd have no need for newsgroups, we could just lump all the tens of
thousands of messages together in one pile.  And hey, no need for subject
headers, let's just have everyone read the text of ALL the messages to see
if they're interested.  As for courtesy, why, if folks aren't nice to me,
that means I don't have to be nice to anyone else, right?  So let's just
all be really nasty and rude to each other.  If you like that idea, let's
just carry it to its natural conclusion and all kill each other; let's leave
the planet to the ants and dolphins.  Yeah, right.  So just remember, when
you take action X, you're setting a precedent that it's ok for ANYBODY to
do action X, in fact, you're encouraging that X be done by everybody and
often.  Is that *really* the kind of world you want to live in?  If you
really think about the ultimate consequences of it, I'm sure you'll say no.

Please remember that unless we bring back slavery or encourage
dictatorships, the only way humans can build civilizations is by
cooperation, which requires courtesy and common sense.  Oh, by the way,
if we do bring back slavery, figure you'll be one of the slaves :-)

I'm not trying to censor anyone, just ensure that they support their beliefs.
I hope to encourage people to see past their own self-interests and lack
of concern for others.  This policy allows you to have any view you
want, and express any opinion you want, in any reasonable way you want --
as long as you're willing to defend your position.

Message you need to deal with is:




[Your (sender's complaint) mail included here]
==========
=======


[If you've read this far, congratulations.  Feel free to read about our
policies, history, philosophy, etc., all in the info menu too.  Sorry I'm
so verbose, but, actually, with this Keegan thing, this is just scratching
the surface (I mean, I could add those 1030+ postings as evidence...)

Anyway, have a good one, thanks for reading my side of the story.]

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Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
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	Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
	unwanted junk in uk.misc ?

	Big Ears.
	




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	Can anyone tell us more about this very simulating story
	please ???

	Many thanks.


	PS when will we see the exciting Part 2 ???

	Please reply ASAP  ta very much.
>  
>                The New Adventures of Keygun
>                           Part I
>  
>  
> NOTE: Any similarity of the characters portrayed in this
> entirely fictional series to any individuals, living, dead,
> or living dead, or any of the situations depicted herein, is
> purely coincidental.
>  
>  
>  
>    "Bring the object of my displeasure before me!" James
> Keygun bellowed from the comfort of his Laz-E-Boy.
>    Instantly, the two Cockroach brothers said in unison,
> "Yes, Boss." They were in such a rush to kiss Keygun's ass
> that they nearly ran into each other trying to leave the
> room.
>    As they hustled to get out of the room, Keygun turned his
> attention to the computer terminal before him.
>    "Damn!" he yelled. "Damn that little bastard! Melinda!"
>    A somewhat attractive young woman in her early twenties
> entered the room from an adjoining corridor. Her name is
> Melinda Bulldozer, Keygun's personal sex slave. She was
> wearing nothing but a front-hook bra from Victoria's Secrets,
> designed to display her ample cleavage, and a bikini.
>    "How may I serve you, M'Lord?" she asked.
>    "Andrew Hurt is complaining to my sysadmin at Netcrap
> again about my abuse to nyc.misc. I want you to post Standard
> Apology Three from my account, and something in support of me
> from yours."
>    "Professor Hurt isn't one to give up easily, M'Lord."
>    "Fuck Andrew Hurt!" Keygun bellowed.
>    "Yes, M'Lord. Should I do that before or after I post to
>    alt.frame?"
>    Before Keygun could answer, the Cockroach Twins returned
> to the room dragging an attractive young woman in her mid-
> twenties. She was wearing a slightly-soiled skirt and blouse,
> and both her wrists were locked in steel shackles. Her name
> is Susan Lucerne Dementia.
>    "Let me go, you jerks!" she screamed.
>    "Yeah. Huh...huh...huh. Jerks." said one of the Cochroach
> brothers.
>    "Silence!" Keygun said, as Melinda quickly backed out of
> the room. "You have been brought before me, Ray, for your
> lying and your forgery on alt.frame."
>    "Ray? I'm not Ray, I'm Susan."
>    Keygun bolts up from his chair and hit her across the face
> with the back of his hand.
>    "Liar!" he screamed. "You are a potentially violent
> psychopath, Ray, and there can be only one penalty for that:
> death."
>    "I'm not Ray." she sobbed. "I'm a woman! As real and human
> as you are."
>    Susan unbuttoned her blouse and pulled down her bra to
> reveal her breasts.
>    "Liar...forger...coward!" he yelled as he unsheathed a
> cattle prod from his utility belt. He jammed it into her left
> breast, which immediately sent her into screams of agony.
>    "Is that a scream of extasy, Ray?"
>    He observed her for a few minutes, while she lay on the
> floor sobbing. All the while, his movements seemed to become
> slower, as if he were the Energizer Bunny and his batteries
> were running down.
>    "Remove your nylons" he finally said.
>    "My pantyhose? Why do you want them?"
>    He slowly raised the cattle prod in her direction, which
> caused her to immediately comply. When she was finished
> liberating herself from them, she handed them to one of the
> Cockroaches, who passed them to Keygun.
>    Keygun manipulated the garment to reveal the cotton crotch
> panel, putting this to his nose and inhaled deeply.
>    "Ahhhh..." he said, as his strength gradually returned to
> its normal, robust level. He turned to the twins.
>    "Take him to the dungeon. He his pain argue with him for a
> time. At dawn, I will personally supervise his execution and
> his torture."
>    "Heh. Heh. Youse means we kill him fwoist, then torture
> him?"
>    "We could, but then again the curse would begin all over
> again. Don't you see? In order for the torture to be
> effective, he must feel the pain. If we kill him first, he
> may not feel it. Go and carry out my orders."
>    "Yes, Boss." The Cochroaches dragged her bruised but
> nonetheless desirable body from the room.
>    "Soon." Keygun said softly. "Soon I will be so powerful
> that no one on the Internet can stop me."
>    He took another whiff from Susan's pantyhose.
>  
>  
>                     TO BE CONTINUED...
>  





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From: demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/18
Message-ID: <4b2j8s$bae@zippy.cais.net>#1/1
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Paul J. Zanca (pjz@sccsi.com) wrote:
> demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
>
> |Under the circumstances, the permission 
> |to post them had better be public.
>
> Now why would you be worried about that, Ms. Demitrio?  Are you
> expecting to be labeled a forger if you claim that you received the
> hypothetical email?

Gosh no.  Most of the exchange was cc'ed to other sysadmins as
well.

I just don't want to deal with the endless clueless types who
would cry "Wait! That's private email! You're posting private
email!" if they didn't see the permission given in public.


-- 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                             demitrio@cais.com



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From: na405330@anon.penet.fi (Big Ears.)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/18
Message-ID: <4b2ib1$gcg@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>#1/1
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	Can someone explain what this is all about, please ?

	Many thanks,

	Big Ears.




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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4b2j8s$bae@zippy.cais.net>,
demitrio@cais2.cais.com (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio) wrote:
|I just don't want to deal with the endless clueless types who
|would cry "Wait! That's private email! You're posting private
|email!" if they didn't see the permission given in public.

So?  Fuck 'em.  Tell 'em I said it was okay, that oughta do the trick.

--
                                  Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                  http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Ben says:
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4b1g8b$42o@zippy.cais.net>
           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:

> In article <819141000snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
> >           demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> >> 
> >> So -- if Ade Lovett is comfortable having demon users see
> >> his response on the header forgery problem, he can just say
> >> the word and I'll post.
> >
> >You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
> 
> Hmmm.  Now there's a problem.  Part of his response was a
> peremptory refusal to read email. (Kind of strange in a
> sysadmin.)

Well, he has never refused to read mail from me.  Maybe he has a 
reason to associate you with a known nuisance, who I believe also 
has trouble attracting his attention.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4athqd$5bi@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : The header you quote shows that the post you refer to came 
> : through uu.net, fido.net, and netcom among others.  It also shows 
> : that the poster was from magic.mb.ca.  Why so keen to lay 
> : blame on Demon?
> 
> don't be so defensive.

Don't have any answer, eh, Keegan.

> all of the forgeries came through demon with one
> earlier site appended to demon's gateway.

Demon's mail to news gateways are open to anyone.  They are 
documented in many anonymous remailer FAQs.  Demon mark posts 
with the X-NNTP-Posting-Host:" header line to make forgery 
obvious.  That is more than they are required to do, and more 
than some other providers do.

> demon management had earlier confirmed notification of
> illegal actions by demon users, yet continued to allow
> such actions.

Forging posts is not a crime.  If you think it is, why don't you 
just call the cops? It may be defamation, but that is a civil 
matter, and nothing to do with Demon.  Hire a lawyer.  You are 
not going to be able to get Demon to do your legal work for you.

One of the things that people who know nothing about the law do 
that betrays their ignorance is to confuse civil tort with 
criminal crime.  Another is to believe that they will be 
considered innocent until proven guilty "beyond a reasonable 
doubt" in a civil court.  Not so, Keegan.  The standard of proof 
in a civil court is much lower.  It goes on the balance of 
evidence.  If you refuse to testify, you simply lose. 

> the recent forgeries followed that
> earlier dispute and, in the minds of some, are the
> direct result of it.

Nothing to do with Demon. 

> demon is the only site through
> which any of the forgeries came.

Not true.  As I said, the headers showed that they came through a 
number of sites in succession, uu.net, fido.net, and netcom 
among others.  You probably got them through wizvax.

> demon is the only site they were reposted from.

No, Demon did not repost them.  Somebody with a site called 
machine5 reposted one.  He is nothing to do with Demon, he just 
hires internet access off of them.  Demon are common carriers, 
and not responsible for the content of the messages they carry.
 
> i believe that demon management has conducted itself in
> a manner which could be considered corrupt, which is
> the manner in which i see it. i believe demon
> management has encouraged forgery and libel as an
> expression of their own malice.

You are digging a deeper hole for yourself, Keegan.  The above 
is defamation, pure and simple.
 
> the forgeries were vicious ones too, attacking the
> victims of abuse and gays. it seems apparent that demon
> cares not who it hurts in its mismanagement.

Demon is a common carrier, and not responsible for the content of 
posts that travel through its facilities.  

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4aupg0$fql@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : But not in here. Ghost5 posted without the headers. I accept, 
> : having seen the headers, that the article is not overtly from 
> : you. That, of course, does not preclude your having written the 
> : post in question. I shall, however, assume that you did not.
> 
> thank you for confirming your cowardice.

So that is how you react when someone gives you the benefit of 
the doubt.  Well, I was never going to do so anyhow.

> that, and the attack on gays, as well as the earlier
> forgery attacking those in recovery should be
> considered as a reflection of demon and demon
> management, imo.

Who are you talking to now?  Whoever it is, I expect they have 
more sense than to repeat your defamations.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4auqdg$gtv@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com> wrote:
>
> : keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion
> ===begin restore unmarked deletion
> ===end restore unmarked deletion

There, that's better.  Are you going to put them all back in now?  
I bet it is a lot more trouble than taking them out.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4avgrg$9vf@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4asjmm$dmu@zippy.cais.net>
> :            demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> : > Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : >
> : > >> Well, then, I repeat my question: would Ade Lovett like
> : > >> me to post the response he made to me?
> : > >
> : > >Since it is obvious that the only person that can know Ade
> : > >Lovett's mind on this matter is Ade Lovett himself, I fail
> : > >to see why you asked the question here in the first place
> : > >and why you now repeat it.
> : > 
> : > Because "here" is where I was asked about demon postmasters'
> : > responses to the forgeries, and "here" is where I would post 
> : > those responses.  Under the circumstances, the permission 
> : > to post them had better be public.
> : 
> : You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
> : Demon employees do not monitor this group in any formal sense, 
> : and very few seem even to look at it casually.
> 
> demon (abe) will be far too embarrassed about what they
> have done to allow more to me made known in any public
> manner, imo.

I told you not to call me "Imo".  And now you also seem 
determined to call Ade "Abe".  

You can't know whether Ade has seen any message 
you post here.  Better email if you need an answer.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4at3im$m4a@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
>
> : Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : > The line above clearly identifies that the "forgery" did not
> : > originate from demon.
> : 
> : It came directly through demon's mail-to-news gateway.
> 
> as have all of the recent forgeries of me. and the
> slander. and the reposts of the forgeries.

Your inability to understand the way the net is linked together 
is astounding. 

> some have speculated that the forgeries originated from
> demon.

You don't want to be identified as the author od this particular 
defamation, eh, Keegan?  Makes no difference- repeating a 
defamation is itself defamation.

> i believe that the site administrator of beast,
> the site the forgery attacking those in recovery
> "allegedly" came from was one of those. regardless, all
> of the forgeries and libel have one thing in common --
> demon.

Yup, your obsession is complete.  It is the name "Demon" that got 
you going in the first place, right?  And now you drag in the 
"beast".  I guess we are starting to see the details of your
underlying paranoia revealed.
 
> demon is the only site through which the forgeries have
> been reposted and falsely attributed to me.

None of which have originated at demon.  

> the person
> doing the reposting (using a demon aliad of "Ghost")
> deleted in his/her repost the elements of the header
> which pointed out that the post was a forgery.

And also showed that the forgery originated from 
magic.mb.ca, not Demon or a Demon customer.

I have removed demon.local from the followups.  Keegan will be 
forced by his own obsessiveness to add it back to the newsgroups 
line.  I won't see his response unless he does.
 
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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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In article <4at3vv$mij@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Wijnand Thompson  <drostyn@walhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : In article <4apv8t$898@zippy.cais.net>, Suzanne Lucia Demitrio
> : > 
> : > Netiquette question: is it ok to post email received from
> : > a sysadmin in his professional capacity?  There's nothing
> : > personal about it; it seems to me that there's no privacy
> : > to protect.
> : 
> : Unless the email is specifically intended for publication,
> : the copyright remains wholly with the author(s), i.e. Ade
> : Lovett and/or Demon.
> 
> my guess is that abe would be embarrassed to have the
> manner in which he failed to cope be exposed here.

Sounds to me like he coped just fine.  He just has you down as a 
waste of time.  Entirely correct, unless he's feeling playful. 

Try once more to resist adding demon.local to the groups.  Can't 
do it, can you?

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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In article <4at437$mlh@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> are you surprised that there has been no reply from
> abe?

Who are you calling "Abe"?  Ade is probably ignoring you, or 
maybe even the whole of demon.local.

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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4at3os$mbn@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais3.cais.com> wrote:
>
> : Tim Crowther  <Tim@osvif.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : 
> : >Dunno, why don't you mail to postmaster@demon.co.uk where
> : >your question will get the proper attention it deserves.
> : 
> : Been there, done that.  Would Ade Lovett like me to
> : post the response he made to me?

Got the attention it deserved, eh?
 
> abe ran away from my email. 

Who are you calling "Abe"?  It is my understanding that Ade has 
scored you at minus 5000 and therefore never sees anything you 
write. 

> it seemed to me that his
> behavior was that of a corrupt sysadmin.

More defamation.  Makes you look *very* bad, Keegan.  Make your 
prospects look shaky, too.

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Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward,
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In article <4b1f1n$tbn@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Suzanne Lucia Demitrio <demitrio@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
> : Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : >You will still have to get his attention with an email, I think.  
> : 
> : Hmmm.  Now there's a problem.  Part of his response was a
> : peremptory refusal to read email. (Kind of strange in a
> : sysadmin.)
> 
> i would think that might be one characteristic of a site 
> with corrupt/inept management.

More defamation by Keegan, and with his system provider looking 
on, too.
 
> : Perhaps someone who wants to see his mail could send him
> : this post?
> 
> but would he read it?

Why don't you send him a mail, Keegan?  Afraid of being ignored?

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From: J M Avery <Jax@scara.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/18
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In article <4b0juu$fl6@lurch.sccsi.com> pjz@sccsi.com "Paul J. Zanca" writes:

> Ben says:
> "When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
> But they try."

Hey!  Isn't that the same Ben from the game "Full Throttle"?!?!


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From: wotan@netcom.com (Wotan)
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
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In article <4b2ib1$gcg@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>,
Big Ears. <na405330@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>	Can someone explain what this is all about, please ?

It started as the usnet equivalent of a fart lighting contest between 
Mancini and keegan.

Has resulted in Mancini releasing much gas and Keegan shitting all over 
the place.  Everyone else is either laughing at the spectacle or trying 
to clean up the resulting mess.

have I simplified this too much for anyone but James?
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On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Big Ears. wrote:

> 	Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase stopped posting all his
> 	unwanted junk in uk.misc ?
> 
> 	Big Ears.
> 	
> 
> 
> 
Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
posting period?



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From: Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
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In article <4b057h$lh9@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Mike Fleming  <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> (keegan wrote)
> : > had you truly not known that you reposted a vicious
> : > forgery attacking gays, you would have apologized for
> : > your "inadvertant" act. that you did not inplies to me
> : > that you reposted the forgery knowing full well that it
> : > was a forgery.
> : 
> : What? How the fuck do you come to that conclusion?
> 
> move your lips when you read if it will make things
> easier for you. try it now: "had you truly not
> known that you reposted a vicious  forgery attacking 
> gays, you would have apologized for your "inadvertant" 
> act. that you did not inplies to me that you reposted 
> the forgery knowing full well that it was a forgery."
> was that better?

Ah, you're saying I _reposted_ the article?

I suggest that you go back to the thread, where you will find 
that I commented on the content but did _not_ repost the article.

You are lying, keegan.

> : Of course, if you wren't such an obnoxious cunt and obviously 
> : deserving of whatever shit comes your way, well, I might even 
> : have done as you suggest.
> 
> cowards like you always seem to blame others for their
> failures, don't they?

I repeat: If you weren't such an obnoxious cunt and obviously 
deserving of whatever shit comes your way, well, I might even 
have done as you suggest.

You merely repeat your obnoxious cuntish behaviour.

> : > isn't it interesting how the forgeries and the reposts
> : > of the forgeries all have demon.co.uk in common?
> : 
> : The fact that you're shoving all your shit into demon.local may 
> : have something to do with the fact that attacks on you wil, come 
> : from demon sites. 
> 
> forgeries, not attacks, is the issue. forgeries with
> demon.co.uk in common. forgeries like the one you
> reposted and then cowardly failed to apologoze.

Again, the lie. I did not repost the article. You said I did. 
Post your evidence. Now.

You are nothing but a stupid liar. Your lies eventually catch 
you out because you are incapable of honesty, when often honesty 
would be the best policy.

Going to forge an article with me "reposting" the anti-gay 
article, are you?

-- 

Mike (DF) Fleming      MAG #79794     DoD #4446      Greenpeace #567708F
                       JKLO #004      KotWP7         UKMC #9
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed



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From: Russ Allbery <rra@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
Date: 1995/12/18
Message-ID: <qumu42xr0x0.fsf@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>#1/1
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In news.admin.misc, PURESILK <Puresilk@cris.com> writes:

> Wouldn't it be nice if mancini@starbase.neosoft.com just *stopped* 
> posting period?

Yup.  Along with you, and Keegan, and Ray Fisher, and all the rest of
Keegan's groupies and chronic opponents.  Not a single one of the lot of you
contribute anything useful to the Net whatsoever.

*plonk*

(There's so many of you morons, and each of you seem to have multiple
addresses, that it is taking eons to forcibly remove you all from my
newsreader....)

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu)     http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/



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From: pjz@sccsi.com (Paul J. Zanca)
Subject: Re: why "Mike Fleming <Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk>" is a coward, and dishonest
Date: 1995/12/19
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In article <819311426snz@scara.demon.co.uk>,
J M Avery <Jax@scara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|In article <4b0juu$fl6@lurch.sccsi.com> pjz@sccsi.com "Paul J. Zanca" writes:
|> Ben says:
|> "When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
|> But they try."

|Hey!  Isn't that the same Ben from the game "Full Throttle"?!?!

Why, yes it is.  Time for a new one.
--
                                  Paul J. Zanca <pjz@sccsi.com>
                                  http://www.sccsi.com/pjz
Ben says:
"When I'm on the road, I'm indestructible.  No one can stop me.
But they try."




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From: Iolo Davidson <iolo@mist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
Date: 1995/12/19
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In article <4b2re0$eq4@wizvax.wizvax.net>
           keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net "james g. keegan jr." writes:

> Iolo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : In article <4b081j$re7@zippy.cais.net>
> :            demitrio@cais2.cais.com "Suzanne Lucia Demitrio" writes:
> :
> : > In article <819138826snz@mist.demon.co.uk>,
> : > Imo Davidson  <io1o@mist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> : Once again, Demitrio indicates that she accepts Keegan called me
> : "Imo".
>
> could you repost the full article in which she makes
> this indication?

Why bother?  You have quoted the attribution line which she 
altered to read "Imo Davidson" above.  Accept it or not, I don't 
mind either way.

> try not to take as long as you have to
> support your lie that i called you "Imo."

It has been established beyond doubt that you called me "Imo".
You can't make it untrue by calling it a lie, however many times
you try.

--
THE QUEEN                            THE KING
         OF HEARTS                           RAN OUT OF
                  NOW LOVES THE KNAVE                  Burma-Shave



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Subject: Re: poor iolo's "Imo"
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In article <4b2r3v$eff@wizvax.wizvax.net>,
keegan@wizvax.wizvax.net (james g. keegan jr.) wrote:

[snip garbage]
>all common carriers, even near-common carriers have
>some responsibility towards criminal use of their
>systems as evidenced by telephone companies exercising
>great effort to trace certain callers who have
>committed crimes.
[snip garbage]

You'd better have a word with those nasty wizvax people then. Without their
collusion, this forgery would never have come to your attention. Since they
were responsible for transmitting the forgery they must have "some
responsibility" for this "criminal" act.... though you and I know it isn't
a criminal act, it is a civil tort.






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From: Bucky@cyberx.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Suzanne Lucia Demitrio and forgery
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firstly, dr Michael Mancini?? yeah right. too much melrose.

second> what the hell has this crap to do with UK finance??


go fight your personal battles elsewhere




