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ukcomms/S3_Modems #13, from Andy_Johnson, 320 chars, 13-Feb-94  21:07:29
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Subject: Welcome to Section 3
Fm: Andy Johnson [UKCOMMS] 75300,1504
To: All

Welcome to the Modems Section of UKCOMMS.

This section is for general messages about Modems.

Please remember that there is vendor support for Psion Dacom, US Robotics UK
and Pace modems in their own dedicated sections in UKCOMMS.


Andy




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ukcomms/S3_Modems #930, from John_Rawnsley, 395 chars, 27-Feb-94  17:29:50
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 100015,632
To: James T. Murphy 76570,2726 (X)

James,

You do need approval but it is not specifically a BT thing. It applies to all
public telecoms systems in the UK. The approvals are not done by BT but by a
quango called BABT (British Approvals Board for Telecommunications or
something like that).

John



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1142, from Michael_W., 235 chars, 28-Feb-94  08:49:02
Comment to 930.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: Michael W. Stuart 72640,2742
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 100015,632 (X)

Hi,

What is a "quango?"  I called BABT and asked to speak with their quango, but
they didn't have one.

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1149, from Terry_Love, 249 chars, 28-Feb-94  12:21:01
Comment to 1142.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430
To: Michael W. Stuart 72640,2742 (X)

Michael,

BABT don't "have" a quango - they "are" a quango (QUasi-Autonomous National
Government Organisation).

Terry



There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1336, from James_Allen, 940 chars, 28-Feb-94  23:13:01
Comment to 1149.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: James Allen 100272,3225
To: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430 (X)

Terry

No, No, NO!

A Quango is a Quasi-Autonomous NON-Governmental organization!  The important
point about them is that they are _not_ run by Civil Servants, which means
that:

a)  They don't have any degree of accountability to Parliament - they can
(basically) do whatever they like without reference to our elected
representatives:

b) (More importantly) - Their budgets don't show up against any particular
Government department's expenditure.  I believe there is some sort of official
Quango "price list", but it's quite difficult to get hold of, and dosen't
reflect which Government department is spending the money.

Sorry to make this into an issue, but us _real_ Civil Servants (who, of
course, always perform our duties in an excellent, unbiassed, economical
manner <G>) don't like Quangos _AT ALL_!

Jim

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1388, from Terry_Love, 395 chars, 01-Mar-94  08:52:05
Comment to 1336.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430
To: James Allen 100272,3225 (X)

James,

Have a look in the dictionary - the one I looked in said

       .. or, (rare) National Government Organisation

BABT are part of the DTI which as far as I'm concerned part of the government
machinery - which is why I used the (rare) version of QUANGO

Terry



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1409, from Craig_Sullivan, 689 chars, 01-Mar-94  10:43:11
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Subject: ISDN
Fm: Craig Sullivan 100347,3013
To: Anyone

Hello there everyone.  I almost missed this forum but fortunately it looks
like just the ticket.  I am interested in any thoughts or experiences you have
with ISDN adapters, particularly with issues of speed (i.e >38,400 ASYNC) or
interoperability (v.110/120 rate adaption).  Seems like a lot of confusion in
the marketplace and the layers manufacturers are adding on top of the basic
'ISDN pipe' vary widely.  Some folks aggregate the 2xB channels, some load
balance.  Some say 'we support AT commands' when in fact they might only
support ATDT

Craig Sullivan Development Analyst Price Waterhouse Network Dev.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1413, from Cliff_Lawson, 278 chars, 01-Mar-94  12:05:50
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Subject: Need Approved 1/2 Cards 
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Marvin Reynolds 76256,213

I think you'll find that modems are approved on a per country basis and you
are unlikely to find any that has an approval applying to more than one
country at once.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1416, from Cliff_Lawson, 609 chars, 01-Mar-94  12:06:09
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Subject: Amstrad modem & PCPLUS
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Carlos Ruiz 100014,2020

Well it sounds as if the modem itself might be broken - is it possible to:

a) try a different bit of comms software
b) try a different COMM port
c) try a different computer
d) try a different modem
e) try a different cable

Doing any or all of these should help you isolate where the fault lies.

The simplest would be to start with a different comms program - if you have
Microsoft Windows (doesn't everybody?) then try using TERMINAL.EXE which is
about as basic a comms program as you could find.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1531, from Michael_W., 176 chars, 01-Mar-94  20:04:51
Comment to 1388.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: Michael W. Stuart 72640,2742
To: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430 (X)

Thank you all.  A nice word to add to my U.S. vocabulary.  Mike S.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1605, from James_Allen, 227 chars, 01-Mar-94  23:40:11
Comment to 1388.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: James Allen 100272,3225
To: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430 (X)

Terry

Ok, I'll let you off! <G>  I always thought that BABT were a "traditional"
quango - I must have been mistaken.

Jim

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1624, from Pete_Hall, 1012 chars, 02-Mar-94  00:11:20
Comment to 1409.
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Subject: ISDN
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Craig Sullivan 100347,3013

My day job is working on the datacomms side of BT.. I deal with stand-alone
ISDN terminal adapters as part of my job.

The majority of adapters that I have come across are used as backup for
Kilostream lines (mostly 64kbps, X.21 lines).. the next most popular use is
for video conferencing, a few are 64kbps, most aggregate 6 B channels (384kbps
total)

Something is going to have to be done about the differences between V.110 and
V.120.. I've tried calling the Hayes ISDN BBS in the US using a V.24/V.110
adapter with no success (seemed to connect, then NO CARRIER). I've never seen
a V.24 adapter that gives an option to go over 38.4kbps in Async mode.  The BT
TAV24 adapter was configured front the front panel, so the AT command set was
virtually limited to ATDnnnn.. the latest DAP4100/ DAP4500 range has a full AT
command set + its own extensions (things like preventing Kilostream backup at
certain times on certain days)


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1637, from James_T., 512 chars, 02-Mar-94  01:07:07
Comment to 930.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: James T. Murphy 76570,2726
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 100015,632 (X)



Does anyone have information on how the BABT approval process happens?
Specifically, I'd like to pass on some information to a third party developer
of ours on how they might get their products approved for use in the UK.  It
my understanding that if you're actually breaking a 'quango' law if you plug
you non-certified comm product into the public phone service.

Reg,

Jim M

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1695, from Mike_Hardcastle, 208 chars, 02-Mar-94  16:43:20
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Subject: V32 bis - Meaning ?
Fm: Mike Hardcastle 100272,1414
To: ALL

Just a quick question for curiosities sake !!!

What does the bis stand for in V32. bis ?


Yours Curiously


Mike

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1788, from John_Rawnsley, 315 chars, 02-Mar-94  20:32:33
Comment to 1637.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 100015,632
To: James T. Murphy 76570,2726

James,

I'm not an expert on this at all, but there are people around who are.

One point. Quangos don't make laws, Parliament does. BABT just approves
telephony equipment. It doesn't enforce the law.

John



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1797, from Richard_Proctor, 227 chars, 02-Mar-94  21:25:13
Comment to 1695.
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Subject: V32 bis - Meaning ?
Fm: Richard Proctor 100031,604
To: Mike Hardcastle 100272,1414

Mike,

bis is latin!  it is not short for anything.  it basicly means extra, extended
etc, ie V32 bis is V32 with knobs on.

Richard

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1822, from David_Hansen,, 311 chars, 02-Mar-94  22:00:41
Comment to 1695.
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Subject: V32 bis - Meaning ?
Fm: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247
To: Mike Hardcastle 100272,1414

Mike,

From what I understand bis is a French term for something added in / extra. So
a house added between numbers 1 & 2 would be numbered 1 bis. it is the same
with V32. I hate the term.



-------> David


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1855, from Pete_Hall, 332 chars, 03-Mar-94  00:30:55
Comment to 1695.
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Subject: V32 bis - Meaning ?
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Mike Hardcastle 100272,1414

'Bis' simply means an extension to an existing specification.. V.32 was 4800
and 9600 only, V.32bis adds 7200, 12000, 14400 (and some error correction)

Looking in a French dictionary 'bis' is 'encore' (French translating to
French!)


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #1859, from Pete_Hall, 327 chars, 03-Mar-94  00:31:04
Comment to 1637.
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Subject: Certified Telephony Hdwr
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: James T. Murphy 76570,2726

It's not a quango law, it's *THE LAW*.. namely the British Telecommunications
Act 1981 and the Telecommunications Act 1984.

Contact Oftel, Export House, 50 Ludgate Hill, London, EC4M 7JJ (tel: 071-634
8700) for info on BABT


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7310, from Pete_Hall, 132 chars, 17-Apr-94  23:11:10
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Eddy Wilson 100116,3162 (X)

Stylophone!


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7317, from Eddy_Wilson, 305 chars, 17-Apr-94  23:31:01
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Eddy Wilson 100116,3162
To: Taz [Ashmount] 71662,270 (X)

Taz,

>> Ah but as an interanal modem then look pretty boringly like all the other
>> cards in the pc

      Your right there, and it seems I've got to take it out again so I can
add more memory chips<g>.

Eddy



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7321, from Eddy_Wilson, 416 chars, 18-Apr-94  00:02:22
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Eddy Wilson 100116,3162
To: Warwick Cartwright 100334,2743 (X)

Warwick,

I guess I'll do my window shopping in the Forum here in future. Everyone seems
to be coming up with prices better than I can find.

Funny you should mention Pace, I was using one of them before I got my Zoom.
No problems with it - just wanted a faster speed and ended up with the Zoom.

Regards ----->Eddy



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7322, from Eddy_Wilson, 138 chars, 18-Apr-94  00:02:23
Comment to 7310.
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Eddy Wilson 100116,3162
To: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604 (X)

Flattery will get you nowhere!!.

Eddy



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7368, from Mark_Lillycrop, 379 chars, 18-Apr-94  11:21:20
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Mark Lillycrop 100325,3711
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve

Could you tell me more about your USR modems please?  Are they really BABT
approved?  What Mac s/w is included?  What is the total price?

My Zoom supplier doesn't seem able to deliver, anyway, so Sportster sounds a
good alternative.

Thanks
Mark


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7387, from Phil_Naylor, 365 chars, 18-Apr-94  14:43:02
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434
To: Eddy Wilson 100116,3162 (X)

 >  Horrible looking modems though, more like an old intercomm<g>!..

Try a Pace Microlin FX32+ for better looks, smaller size etc.  Same spec as
the USR, but L17 cheaper!  Maybe even small enough to fit into those Armani
jeans <vbg>

Phil

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7388, from Phil_Naylor, 296 chars, 18-Apr-94  14:43:06
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Subject: Grampian 19/14 modem?
Fm: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434
To: William Shimmin 100016,2534 (X)

 >  And once they've got your money, the support is non-existent.

Warning duly received and noted - thanks.  It's precisely the sort of advice I
was seeking!

Phil

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7438, from Steve_Manners, 722 chars, 18-Apr-94  21:35:23
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Terry Lee 100332,3051 (X)

Terry,

>> Besides, CIX offers V.fast (28,800bps) connection which beats the pants off
CI$.

CIS already announced it will be adding 28800.  A small system like CIX
changing a few modems is irrelevant, CIS doing so would involve hundreds of
modems just for ONE node...and they have them worldwide.  It makes no sense to
try and score points like this I don't think.

Anyway, how many people will be buying vFAST modems...?  I sure wouldn't, but
I will buy v34 ones when they come out.   I hope not too many people get
landed high and dry with models they can't get upgraded for one reason or
another.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7440, from Steve_Manners, 481 chars, 18-Apr-94  21:35:33
Comment to 7368.
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Mark Lillycrop 100325,3711 (X)

Mark,

USR UK support their modems here on the forum...so I'd ask them with a message
to SYSOP in their area.

Yes, they are BABT approved if bought from a proper UK source who says they
are.   Pricing seems to be around _170 plus VAT, you may do better if you
search round.  Do get one somewhere that offers support and won't go bust
before delivery if you can...<g>

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7520, from Cliff_Lawson, 835 chars, 19-Apr-94  11:30:27
Comment to 7438.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

 Sorry to be a pedant but "VFast" _IS_ V34. The modems that are out  now are
"VFast Class".
                =====

It is the "Class" bit that says "this isn't true V34 - it's before
ratification". Once V34 is ratified the modems that then appear will be
described as just "VFast". I think they have chosen to do this (sensibly!)
because things like "V32Bis" are meaningless to your average man in the street
but "VFast" gives a taste of what it really is. Perhaps the most sensible name
would actually be V28,800 so that when V43,200 and V57,600 happen there is no
confusion (otherwise we might get into the likes of "VFast Indeed" and
"VUnbelievably Lightning Turbo Nutter B*stard", etc).

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7532, from Glen_Collinson, 399 chars, 19-Apr-94  14:43:47
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Subject: modem init strings(hlp!)
Fm: Glen Collinson 100042,514
To: all

hi everyone,
i'm after a favour (surprise, surprise) !
I need modem init strings and the reponse to the 'ATI' modem command
for as many different uk available modems as possible - we are trying
to make our software compatible with more modems ...
thanks for your help
Glen Collinson (email or fax me on uk 051 608 8783 ?)
  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7548, from Andrew_Craven, 126 chars, 19-Apr-94  18:00:51
Comment to 7310.
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Subject: Is Zoom a good bet?
Fm: Andrew Craven 100136,3622
To: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604 (X)

Rolf Harris!

 Andyc &:%)}

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7629, from Steve_Manners, 457 chars, 20-Apr-94  00:52:24
Comment to 7520.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Cliff,

Most adverts for these modems just say vFAST...so generally the easy way to
explain it isn't the real thing is to compare vFAST with v34..  what the final
standard will really be known as I don't know...but I suspect it will be v34
to most folks to avoid the confusion with all the old vFAST modems folks may
be selling off cheap etc.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7637, from John_Long, 501 chars, 20-Apr-94  01:17:36
Comment to 7520.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: John Long (UK) 70374,727
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Well Cliff,

I'm not so sure that people will all call their V.34 modems V.fast.  Because
of the V.fast class situation I can see every reason for people who make a
`real' V.34 modem to call it V.34 to avoid confusion amongst the public over
the various names that sound like v.fast.

I have every reason to believe that we (Racal-Datacom) will use the proper
name (V.34).

John Long



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7686, from Cliff_Lawson, 355 chars, 20-Apr-94  15:26:55
Comment to 7637.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: John Long (UK) 70374,727 (X)

In a similar was that you have the likes of "Pace Microlin fx 32 plus" I could
see something like "Pace Microlin fx Vfast 34" which encompasses the "fast"
bit that the man in the street will recognise and the "34" bit that us anoraks
will recognise.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7691, from Rupert_Goodwins, 1800 chars, 20-Apr-94  17:35:13
Comment to 7520.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Rupert Goodwins PCMAGUK 72241,476
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Er, close!

V.fast was the working name for V.34. V.34 is in the final stages of
ratification -- unless something unlikely goes wrong, it'll be a full standard
by the autumn. As of now, the technical specifications are finished (unless
someone complains). Since V.34 was adopted as the standard's name, there's no
longer any such thing as V.fast.

However, some manufacturers have announced 'V.fast' modems. These are one of
two things -- a proprietory pre-V.34 variant of the earlier versions of the
standard, or a real V.34 (as of the last draft) implementation. The former
will never work with anything but others of their own ilk; the latter may work
with real V.34 when it's ratified. But they may not -- it's a bit of a gamble.

V.fast class (V.fc) is slightly different. That's Rockwell's standard
(although they've let USR do their own implementation) for 28.8Kbps. Rockwell
has said that all future implementations of V.34 they put into their chips
will also support V.fc -- and, chances are, so will those of other companies
-- which is something of a mollifier to those who're worried that they'll have
to buy another modem if they plump for a Hayes or similar now.

However, all modem companies that I've talked to have said they'll be doing an
upgrade scheme to full V.34 when it becomes stable and accepted. Some modems
can be upgraded for free, over the phone line; some need to be sent back and
will cost. If you want to buy a fast modem, make sure which one applies and
you'll be fine.

All this aside: 288Kbps is *wonderful*! It works. It's as fast as you think,
sometimes faster, and when I'm trawling the Internet from home it's an
absolute must-have.


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7801, from Cliff_Lawson, 292 chars, 21-Apr-94  12:22:59
Comment to 7691.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Rupert Goodwins PCMAGUK 72241,476

Hello matey - I was just saying the other day that "the world needs more comms
journalists who know what they are taling about like Rupert Goodwins" - And
you just proved the point!

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7832, from David_Stock, 292 chars, 21-Apr-94  19:26:38
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Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: David Stock 100332,1634
To: All

Hi,

Now that we have 14,400bps connection through London, though not B'ham :-(
I'm thinking about moving up.

So can anyone suggest a good, reliable, BUT inexpensive 14,400 modem?

TIA

David (B'ham UK)

There are 2 Replies.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7840, from Steve_Manners, 418 chars, 21-Apr-94  20:07:21
Comment to 7832.
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Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: David Stock 100332,1634 (X)

David,

With Pace, Psion Dacom, and USR UK offering support here on the forum they
must be three makers to strongly consider.  I suggest a message to Sysop in
all three areas asking them what they can offer at present, I think some do
approved v32bis modems at very good prices these days.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7856, from David_Hansen,, 363 chars, 21-Apr-94  21:33:38
Comment to 7832.
----------
Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247
To: David Stock 100332,1634 (X)

David,

I worked out the figures for downloading files at 9600 from a local node and
14400 from London via Mercury 2300. The result was that 9600 is slightly
cheaper if it is a local call than 14000 as a long distance call.



------> David


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7890, from David_Stock, 311 chars, 22-Apr-94  00:16:08
Comment to 7840.
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Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: David Stock 100332,1634
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that.

Was that you on the telly last night....

Did you get to meet that kid "Jules", is she John Birts daughter or something!

Cheers,

David

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7891, from David_Stock, 345 chars, 22-Apr-94  00:16:11
Comment to 7856.
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Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: David Stock 100332,1634
To: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247 (X)

Hi David,

Yes I did the same calculations, and your right no difference.  But if you use
the cheap rate weekend deal to go through London it is cheaper.

Though seeing as I'm currently running at 2400bps anything is cheaper!!!

Cheers

David

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #7992, from Steve_Manners, 870 chars, 22-Apr-94  20:56:39
Comment to 7890.
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Subject: Which 14.4K Modem?
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: David Stock 100332,1634 (X)

David,

>> Was that you on the telly last night....

No, someone impersonating me, I'm much slimmer and better looking, and my kids
don't use phrases like 'it's more quicker'...

>> Did you get to meet that kid "Jules", is she John Birts daughter or
something!

It was a little room with a sofa in and a small waterfall in the corner, the
floor and walls were painted with blue emulsion.  There was no sign of anyone
like Jules....all fairly clinical.  Nice folks doing it all...Sally who was
dealing with us was very good.

She must be someones daughter as you say...<g>  I'm sure she is great
actually, and there is no doubt a need for shows on games with folks like her
on them, it just doesn't fit on this series seems to be the general opinion
doesn't it.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8119, from John_Corbett, 304 chars, 23-Apr-94  16:39:44
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Subject: Microlin FX32+ string
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: All

Can anybody give me the initialisation string for a Pace Microlin fx32+
faxmodem to be used foe WinCIM, Procomm+ Windows and Winfax pro or
alternatively, tell me a comparable modem who's initialisation string I can
use!

Thanks

John

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8358, from Steven_Harris, 471 chars, 25-Apr-94  09:27:31
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Subject: Modem power supply
Fm: Steven Harris 100325,3655
To: all

I am now in the U.S. and thinking of buying a 14.4 modem. Only problem is that
the one I was thinking to buy uses a 12v AC power supply. Getting 12v is no
problem when I come back to the UK but the frequency will be 50Hz not 60Hz
which is the standard in the U.S. Does anyone know if the modem will still
function if I feed it 12v @ 50Hz instead of 12v @ 60 Hz? Any help appreciated.

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8586, from Anthony_Pringle, 451 chars, 26-Apr-94  07:30:50
Comment to 7691.
----------
Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Anthony Pringle 100117,632
To: Rupert Goodwins PCMAGUK 72241,476

Rupert

 > All this aside: 288Kbps is *wonderful*! It works. It's as fast as you
think,
 > sometimes faster, and when I'm trawling the Internet from home it's an
 > absolute must-have.

 1) Are you using the Hayes?
 2) If so, have you seen 8:1 compression?
 3) Are you actually getting throughput that requires a DTE rate greater than
    115.2 Kbps?

Tony

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8705, from Cliff_Lawson, 956 chars, 26-Apr-94  16:11:38
Comment to 8358.
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Subject: Modem power supply
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Steven Harris 100325,3655

Based on the fact that these days virtually every modem in the world is
actually built around the same set of chips (made by Rockwell) and these are
not in anyway sensitive to the power supply frequency I think I can about 98%
guarantee that the modem you are talking about will work. However, are you
buying this one in the US because you think it will save you money? If that is
the only reason I'd say it is a false economy. It used to be the case that US
modems were much cheaper than UK ones but with the forward thinking pricing
adopted by the likes of Zoom, Pace, USR etc there isn't really much saving to
be made by buying from the US and what's more, US modems are NOT approved for
connection to the British telephone network and trying to get support if they
go wrong could cost an awful lot more than the few pounds difference in
prices.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8876, from Nigel_Shindler, 707 chars, 27-Apr-94  11:33:53
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Nigel Shindler 100271,2440
To: ALL

Does anyone have any idea about the proper wiring for a cable to connect a U.S
Suprafax 144i (internal) modem to a BT modular phone socket (or where I can
get one)?

I have a 4-wire cable with an RJ-11 plug on one end and a BT modular plug on
the other and it looks as though the connection should be made through the
outer pair of the four operative pins in the BT plug (i.e. pins "2" and "5")
but in practice there is "no dialtone". As there is about 25V DC on the
relevant terminals of our PBX sockets I suspect that the connection is
polarity-sensitive.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated - Nigel.


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8930, from John_Corbett, 761 chars, 27-Apr-94  19:33:20
Comment to 8876.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Nigel Shindler 100271,2440 (X)

Nigel,

It sounds as though your PBX socket is not a true analogue socket, but a
proprietary telephone socket.

What telephone system are you using?

Proprietary telephone sockets usually have a "speech pair" - usually 2+5 and a
"data pair" - a combination of two of the pins left.
The fact that you have only got 25V DC on pins 2+5 is a bit of a giveaway as
true analogue sockets have at least 50V DC on the relevant pins!

As a rule of thumb, if you have any telephones on your PBX that can also be
used at your home, then these are likely to be analogue sockets and so
compatible for use with a modem. So have a look around and give it a try.

Hope this helps

John

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8944, from Steve_Manners, 611 chars, 27-Apr-94  20:16:53
Comment to 8876.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Nigel Shindler 100271,2440 (X)

Nigel,

Normally US modems require the following:

 US PLUG IN MODEM   -----------------  / ------  BT PLUG
                    -----------------/
                    -----------------\
                    -----------------  \ ------

ie cut the two outer wires, and put the inner ones to the outside connectors
on the BT plug.  Leads sold in Tandy etc are straight through and tend not to
work.

Using US modems here is of course generally illegal...feel I should mention
that.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #8954, from John_Corbett, 257 chars, 27-Apr-94  20:57:28
Comment to 8944.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

I've just looked at your diagram and I can't make head or tail of it.

Did it lose something in the CIS translation?????

John

There are 2 Replies.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9032, from Peter_Lusmore, 496 chars, 28-Apr-94  12:27:45
Comment to 8944.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Peter Lusmore 100326,32
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

I have a different problem. My COMPAQ LTE/286 has lost its' modem cable and
Compaq do not have any in stock (Compaq P/N is 150326-001). The RJ11 socket on
the internal modem has 6 connectors not 4 - does anyone know where I can get a
replacement cable from? I'm sure I saw an advert somewhere for a company
selling cables for modems but can't remember where.

Regards, Peter

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9073, from Steve_Manners, 351 chars, 28-Apr-94  21:08:02
Comment to 8954.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

Strange...I can't see that message here at present so I don't know what it
came out like.

The words say it all anyway..  the outside 2 wires from the cable are cut off,
and the inner two go into the outside slots of the UK phone plug.

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9079, from Steve_Manners, 541 chars, 28-Apr-94  21:08:15
Comment to 9032.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Peter Lusmore 100326,32 (X)

Peter,

I'd suggest ordering one from the US or elswhere using a credit card - it may
be quicker than hunting down a UK source.  There are masses of UK cable
firms...but that may be a bit special.  I would expect one of the US modem
vendors in the Mall to maybe be able to help.

I'd be very angry with Compaq I think in your position...if they must use non
standard bits they should have them around....can't they just get you one..

Steve


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9134, from Pete_Hall, 252 chars, 29-Apr-94  01:20:15
Comment to 9032.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Peter Lusmore 100326,32 (X)

Gordon Brown of TeleAdapt may be able to help

Tel: 081 429 0479, Fax: 081 868 1697, CIS: 100111,2713
(US: 408-370 5105, Fax: 408-370-5110, CIS: 72623,706)



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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9209, from Zach_Allen, 964 chars, 29-Apr-94  20:20:11
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Subject: Computer/modem needs
Fm: Zach Allen 70632,304
To: all

Notice to those who may be interested.

We are based in Poland, and are beginning to publish a weekly fax newsletter
on the Polish stock market.  We need to find someone in LONDON who has the
computer capabilities to receive, by modem, our fax report, and then send it
out to a list of subscribers.

We are using WINFAX to generate the fax, and using WIinFAX would probably be
the only was that you could send this out for us.

Our computer is a 486 laptop with a Class I send/receive modem that operates
at 14400/9600.  We use Procomm Plus (for DOS) for the modem program.

We will, of course, pay whomever undertakes this for us. The fax should be
prepared in Warsaw by the end of the business day in Warsaw every Friday.  We
want this on everyone's desk by Monday morning.  RELIABILITY IS AN ABSOLUTE
MUST.

If interested, please contact me by Compuserve mail: Zach Allen  70632,304


Thank you.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9236, from James_Allen, 234 chars, 30-Apr-94  00:01:01
Comment to 8954.
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Subject: Modem Connection
Fm: James Allen 100272,3225
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John

Steve's diagram came through OK to me!

Are you using a very narrow screen width?  The diagram needs 57 columns to
display correctly.

Jim

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9268, from Gisborne, 440 chars, 30-Apr-94  07:35:38
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Gisborne 100010,3101
To: SYSOP (X)

I've got a Macronix MAXLITE 2400 fax modem. Although it's Hayes compatible and
I use the recomended initialisation string, some comms software (e.g. Wigwam)
give me a CTS low message.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Is there any support for Macronix kit in the UK? I know there is a buletin
board in the US, but that is expensive using international lines.

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9282, from John_Fryatt, 615 chars, 30-Apr-94  14:07:01
Comment to 9268.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: John Fryatt 100013,710
To: Gisborne 100010,3101

Gisborne,   (??)

I have one of those Macronix modems for my notebook PC, and it seems to handle
everything I throw at it, but I don't use WigWam. There is no Macronix support
here in the UK, and when I phoned the suppliers with a question they knew less
than I did! I did contact Macronix in the US, and they sent me a manual, which
is better than the combined hardware/software manual I got with the modem. If
you post your init string here, I'll check it against the manual and we may
get some clues.

 Regards,  John   (London, UK)

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9376, from Pete_Hall, 496 chars, 01-May-94  01:44:26
Comment to 9268.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Gisborne 100010,3101

Are you using a fully wired RS232 cable?

If you are using comms software that uses 'Hardware Flowcontrol' then it
expects to see CTS (Clear To Send) before it tries to transmit anything.  It
may be possible to configure the software (and modem) to use Xon/Xoff
(software) flowcontrol instead

(if its an internal modem then suspect a fault, you may be able to continue
using it set to Xon/Xoff flowcontrol).


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9508, from Gisborne, 285 chars, 02-May-94  12:35:32
Comment to 9282.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Gisborne 100010,3101
To: John Fryatt 100013,710 (X)

Thanks John. My init string is "AT&F&C1&D2S7=90". I'm strictly
non-tech, so I have very limited idea of what it means beyond the AT.

Regards

Guy (Arundel, 50 miles south of London)

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9509, from Gisborne, 739 chars, 02-May-94  12:35:39
Comment to 9376.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Gisborne 100010,3101
To: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604 (X)

John,

The cable I'm using is the one provided with the modem and it's sealed,
so it's not possible to tell how fully wired it is.

The software that I'm using (The WigWam offline Compuserve manager)
says in its manual that hardware flow control is a pre-requisite. It
say this is usually the case with Hayes compatibles. When I connect to
Compuserve  it says "CTS Low. Disable hardware flow control?", to which
I answer NO, and it then seems to behave OK, though whether hardware
control is actually operating correctly I don't know.

I have to say my grasp of the technical is extremely limited!

Thanks for your interest,

Guy

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9563, from Rupert_Goodwins, 481 chars, 02-May-94  18:11:28
Comment to 8586.
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Subject: Wait for V34?
Fm: Rupert Goodwins PCMAGUK 72241,476
To: Anthony Pringle 100117,632 (X)

1. Yep, amongst others.
2. Yes, on certain files. It's not common.
3. On average, no. You'll be able to get 95%+ of the advantages of a
28.8kbps modem with a DTE of 115.2kbps, unless you're normally dealing
with extremely compressible files. I wouldn't expect that to apply
unless you're operating a typesetting bureau or are moving an unusual
class of business data around.

Rupert

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9582, from John_Fryatt, 911 chars, 02-May-94  20:43:14
Comment to 9508.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: John Fryatt 100013,710
To: Gisborne 100010,3101 (X)

Guy,

Your init string decodes as follows:

 &F    - reset everything to factory defaults, i.e. start 'clean'.
 &C1   - DCD (signal from the modem) shows true state of carrier,
         which allows the software to see if the line has been lost.
 &D2   - DTR option - depends on other settings, but controls what
happens
         when the software drops DTR (signal to modem).
         Probably causes a reset.
 S7=90 - time in seconds to wait for remote modem's carrier signal,
         i.e. how long to wait for the remote modem to 'speak' after
         answering the phone.

This init string seems a bit short. Where did it come from? If, in
terminal mode, you type AT&V the modem will tell you its configuration.
Post what it says here and we'll see what we can sort out.

 Regards,  John   (London, UK)

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9678, from Andrew_Craven, 685 chars, 03-May-94  18:05:09
Comment to 9509.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Andrew Craven 100136,3622
To: Gisborne 100010,3101 (X)

Guy,

One possibility is, are you running Windows NT?  Early versions of NT
had a problem with a number of comms programs in that NT seemed to
report the CTS low, when it wasn't.

Second possibility, the init string you mention would normally be OK
but could you try going into Windows Terminal and talking to the modem.
Send it the init string you are using and then send it "at&v" this
should get the modem to tell you it's configuration.  Post the results
here, please.  BTW, it could just be a case of adding &K3 to the
current init string (after the "&c1&d2".)

 Andyc &:%)}

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9822, from Geoffrey_Keyte, 257 chars, 04-May-94  15:18:14
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Subject: Modems
Fm: Geoffrey Keyte 100347,2724
To: All

I am doing some research and I need to know how many people in the  UK
with computers also have modems.

If anyone can give me a rough idea of the number I would be most
grateful!

Regards,

Geoffrey

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9827, from Colin_Churchill, 431 chars, 04-May-94  15:42:00
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Subject: Modem Help
Fm: Colin Churchill 100126,2777
To: All

Hi all!
I work for a small Teleworking unit down in South Dorset. We have be
given 2 Modems with no manuals. They have only the folling markings NCT
Syncro 1496 and are date stamped C 1988. Can anyone help with data or
other things like a Manual ? I have tried connecting to our comms port
but no joy, just nothing.
Any help will give such joy <grin>,
Thanks, Colin.
 

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9850, from David_Herskovic, 292 chars, 04-May-94  19:42:47
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Subject: Mr Modem modem???
Fm: David Herskovic 100114,750
To: All

Hello everyone

Has anyone heard of a "Mr Modem" modem. It has been recommended to me
by a dealer with a very cheap price tag. What is it's performance like
and what is the compatibilith like?

Many thanks


David Herskovic

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9911, from David_Herskovic, 470 chars, 04-May-94  23:56:40
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Subject: Standard of 28.8 speed?
Fm: David Herskovic 100114,750
To: All

Hi everyone

I am thinking of buying the Zoom 28.8 modem but I am worried about
compatibility. I have read that there is no universal standard for this
high speed and any modems introduced before the standardization run the
risk of not being compatible at a later date. Is this still true and if
so what about the above modem?

I would appreciate any advice.


David Herskovic

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9955, from Gisborne, 860 chars, 05-May-94  08:14:54
Comment to 9582.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Gisborne 100010,3101
To: John Fryatt 100013,710 (X)

John,

My modem configuration is:

 ACTIVE PROFILE: B0 E1 L1 M0 Q0 V1 X0 Y0 &C0 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L1 &P0 &X0
&Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:030
S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S14:8AH S16:00H S18:000 S21:20H
S22:01H S23:0FH S25:000 S26:001 S27:10H

STORED PROFILE 0: B1 E1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 &C1 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L0 &P0 &X0
S00:000 S14:8AH S18:000 S21:20H S22:76H S23:17H S25:005 S26:001 S27:40H

STORED PROFILE 1: B1 E1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 &C1 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L0 &P0 &X0
S00:000 S14:AAH S18:000 S21:20H S22:76H S23:07H S25:005 S26:001 S27:40H

The init string I'm using comes from the WigWam software which gives
init strings for named modems; this is the one for a MaxLite. BTW I
missed off a \r form the end of it.

Regards, Guy

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9956, from Gisborne, 1024 chars, 05-May-94  08:15:15
Comment to 9678.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: Gisborne 100010,3101
To: Andrew Craven 100136,3622 (X)

Andy,

No I'm not running NT, just 3.1.

I did as you suggested and here's the result (note ERROR after the init
string):

AT&F&C1&D2S7=90\r ERROR at&v ACTIVE PROFILE: B0 E1 L1 M0 Q0 V1 X0 Y0
&C0 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L1 &P0 &X0 &Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010
S05:008 S06:002 S07:090 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S14:AAH
S16:00H S18:000 S21:30H S22:01H S23:0FH S25:000 S26:001 S27:10H

STORED PROFILE 0: B1 E1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 &C1 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L0 &P0 &X0
S00:000 S14:8AH S18:000 S21:20H S22:76H S23:17H S25:005 S26:001 S27:40H

STORED PROFILE 1: B1 E1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 &C1 &D0 &G0 &J0 &L0 &P0 &X0
S00:000 S14:AAH S18:000 S21:20H S22:76H S23:07H S25:005 S26:001 S27:40H

With WigWam, other than the CTS Low message, the init string doesn't
cause an error message, just an OK.

Also not there seems to be a \r on the end that I didn't notice before.

I tried adding the &K3 but it didn't work.

Thanks for your help,

Guy


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ukcomms/S3_Modems #9970, from Cliff_Lawson, 579 chars, 05-May-94  12:21:23
Comment to 9911.
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Subject: Standard of 28.8 speed?
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: David Herskovic 100114,750 (X)

It's true that there aren't any true V34 ("real" 28.8) modems yet
because the standard is not ratified. There are a number of V Fast
Class modems that do already offer 28.8 and a number of these
(certainly the Hayes Optima) say that they will be upgradeable to real
V34 when it is finished. Cheaper ones may not offer this route - as
long as you get written confirmation that the modem can later be
upgraded to true V34 then you should be OK.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #10009, from John_Fryatt, 777 chars, 05-May-94  15:55:02
Comment to 9955.
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Subject: MAXLITE CTS Low
Fm: John Fryatt 100013,710
To: Gisborne 100010,3101

Guy,

Well, your profiles are a lot different from mine! I suspect we have
slightly different model modems. If I type ATI4 my modem says it is a
'9624ACW-693' and ATI3 says version '1.08S'.

Be that as it may, your entries look reasonable. The only one that
seems suspect is &L1. According to my manual &L0 means 'Dial-up line'
and &L1 means 'Leased line'. As a quick fix, try putting &L0 in your
init string.

If this works, I would wonder how that setting gets changed in your
active profile, when the stored profiles say &L0. Maybe another comms
program?

The other thing I was going to suggest was to try &K3, but I see that
someone else already suggested that.

 Regards,  John   (London, UK)

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ukcomms/S3_Modems #10042, from David_Herskovic, 205 chars, 05-May-94  23:24:48
Comment to 9970.
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Subject: Standard of 28.8 speed?
Fm: David Herskovic 100114,750
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517

Thanks for your reply. I have now written to Zoom direct in the
ModemVendor forum.


David Herskovic

