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ukcomms/S1_General #7318, from John_Corbett, 1587 chars, 17-Apr-94  23:37:20
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

Hopefully, this message will answer all of your questions;

I thought your first message was moralistic. It may not have been meant that
way, but I'm afraid that's the way it came across.

In no way can the US Robotics Sportser be considered "a similar spec" to the
Supra v32bis
The Supra includes Class 2 fax - The Sportser does not
The Supra includes async, sync, and autosync operation - The Sportser does not
The Supra includes caller ID (soon to be introduced by BT on normal analogue
lines and already available on ISDN 30 channels) - The Sportser does not

The Supra has MNP10 Error correction - The Sportser does not. Which brings me
nicely on to your last query "MNP10 - What will you do with it?" Well I'm a
Mercury Communications engineer and I have a Mercury one2one CELLULAR
telephone on the personal call tariff, which means that all local calls
between 7pm and 7am weekdays and all over the weekend and bank holidays are
FREE. Now I know that Mercury are developing a data attachment for their
one2one telephones to enable such things as modem use! Well I'm sure that you
can see the advantages that this might offer a regular modem user.

As a last note, I did incidentally consider a Sportser originally but found it
nearly impossible to find a retailer who could supply an internal version. Now
I know that it sounds unlikely, but it's true. Also have a look at the other
messages about the Supra - I think that they tell their own story! 

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ukcomms/S1_General #7333, from 'Fred'_Kirby, 604 chars, 18-Apr-94  03:03:20
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Subject: 14.4 @ Birmingham
Fm: 'Fred' Kirby [UK] 70734,126
To: John Hall 100016,1210 (X)

>> You raise an interesting point.  I had assumed they wouldn't vary their
speed because of the difficulty of changing the feed speed at the correct time
and making it work correctly, and its simple pointlessness.

If they don't vary their speed you would be able to get over 240cps at 2400bps
and over 960cps and 9600bps. Clearly they have to know what speed you connect
at to charge you the correct rate. I strongly suspect they do switch. It would
be easy enough to tell with a download at a quiet time.

Fred

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ukcomms/S1_General #7335, from 'Fred'_Kirby, 210 chars, 18-Apr-94  03:03:22
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Subject: Doom (uk) Modem Play
Fm: 'Fred' Kirby [UK] 70734,126
To: Mark Nowell 100023,622 (X)

Shareware version 1.2 supports modem play. You need to be able to communicate
at 9600bps.

Fred

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ukcomms/S1_General #7353, from Steve_Manners, 988 chars, 18-Apr-94  09:32:50
Comment to 7318.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

Thanks for explaining..   Internal Sportsters are available these days, the
external is much more popular though I suspect. The external is tiny and can
be used as a portable as well and be moved between machines etc.

Afraid I have a feeling your plans may not come off...but at least I
understand them now.  I suspect you'll find that the caller ID is the US
version and doesn't work here..   You may also find that the hopes of using
One2One with it don't work out either, but you'd have a much better knowledge
of that than me.  I have only read the messages on Internet Newsgroups saying
that One2One is no good for data - or is it being upgraded in some way?  On
that subject, the chat there seems to be that even voice calls suffer
dropouts, is that a problem?

I'm a Mercury subscriber by the way..before you read in some anti Mercury
bias...!<g>

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #7357, from Tim_Schneider, 579 chars, 18-Apr-94  09:38:01
Comment to 7318.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Tim Schneider 100271,1047
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

<< Now I know that Mercury are developing a data attachment for their one2one
telephones >>

   Are you sure that much data will get through considering all the
multiplexing and buffering that goes on on digital phones? Maybe not even
MNP10 would cope with that.

   The most efficient method would be if you could feed in the data digitally
as it is transmitted (like ISDN), but I can see problems in receiving the
signal on non-one2one equipment.

Cheers, Tim.

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ukcomms/S1_General #7424, from John_Corbett, 1892 chars, 18-Apr-94  20:25:30
Comment to 7353.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

I'm open to any suggestions that you may have about different types of modem.
I am on a limited budget of around 150-180 and The spec of the Supra seemed
to fit the bill perfectly.

Incidentally, I learned today that Blue Mountain in Maidenhead not only sell
the Supras, but they support and guarantee them themselves!

As for the data aspect of the one2ones, all I really know is what I've
experienced first hand and what I've been told by other Mercury employees.
Firstly, the network doesn't seem to be any less reliable than Vodaphone or
Cellnet (and I've used them both) and call drop-out is unfortunately a trait
of cellular communications, Personally I think that the M200 one2one handset
(not the flip-phone) leaves a lot to be desired, although some engineers think
they're great. I think that they're too new and as with all new products,
there will be problems for the first couple of years. Having said that, my
preference is for the the M300 flip-phone. Although still a new product, it is
made by Motorola and is based on their existing flip-phone technology which is
well tried and tested. (The M200 is made by Siemens)

As for the development of a data attachment. We have been told by our manager
that it is being developed with the aim being for engineers to be able to use
their lap-tops and one2ones to download and upload information from our office
. Now, as our laptops are equipped with internal modems, surely it follows
that it should be possible to use a one2one from my home PC ? I'm sorry to be
a bit vague, but I'll try to find out some more specific information and keep
you posted

Glad to hear you're a Mercury subscriber, tell your friends and family how
great it is, get them to subscribe. I want a big pay rise this year <g> 

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ukcomms/S1_General #7425, from John_Corbett, 191 chars, 18-Apr-94  20:25:39
Comment to 7357.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Tim Schneider 100271,1047 (X)

Tim,

Have a look at my message to Steve Manners, dated today (18/04) about one2ones
and data.

John

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ukcomms/S1_General #7452, from Steve_Manners, 3067 chars, 18-Apr-94  22:08:22
Comment to 7424.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

>> I'm open to any suggestions that you may have about different types of
modem. I am on a limited budget of around L150-180 and The spec of the Supra
seemed to fit the bill perfectly.

It may well do....my views are only the same as anyone elses on here at the
end of the day...I just try and say what I think/feel and hope it is useful.

>> Incidentally, I learned today that Blue Mountain in Maidenhead not only
sell the Supras, but they support and guarantee them themselves!

Hmm, I guess you said that as a plus point...it isn't to me.  I'd like to see
Supra with offices and support staff and a commitment to the UK like that
shown by Pace, Psion Dacom, USR and so on myself...just the way I
feel...ignore it.  Never heard of Blue Mountain I have to admit anyway...I
drink their coffee though..<g>   At the end of the day if your modem needs
something doing in 4 years time you are gambling that Blue Mountain will be
around...as you would whichever make you bought.  A lot of US and UK firms
have gone down in recent years, and masses of folks here have lost out. It has
made me personally much more wary.

>> As for the data aspect of the one2ones, all I really know is what I've
experienced first hand and what I've been told by other Mercury employees.
Firstly, the network doesn't seem to be any less reliable than Vodaphone or
Cellnet (and I've used them both) and call drop-out is unfortunately a trait
of cellular communications,

I have not even used one2one so will have to go by what you say. My
understanding is that with Cellnet etc you may get a good line and comms will
generally work, but only at fairly slow speeds.  With one2one the system is
quite different, digital, and there are dropouts where chunks of info don't
arrive...the talk I have seen is of these causing data calls to fail.  This
may be nonsense...I'm just mentioning what I have seen said as you sounded
like you might need to ask more.

>> Now, as our laptops are equipped with internal modems, surely it follows
that it should be possible to use a one2one from my home PC ? I'm sorry to be
a bit vague, but I'll try to find out some more specific information and keep
you posted

I want to do this too...  I have a Nokia 121 for it, as they have data link
hardware already...BUT...they are not UK approved so I have not yet been able
to get one to try.

>> Glad to hear you're a Mercury subscriber, tell your friends and family how
great it is, get them to subscribe. I want a big pay rise this year <g>

Most of the Sysop team here are, it saves us money.  We do also recommend it
to folks in general, some of our Sysops are with BT, and are great folks, but
in general I feel BT still don't do what they should for the consumer. I'm
sitting in a hotel room typing this and it has a brand new BT payphone in
it....no data port...and no sign of how they expect it to be used by
businessmen staying in such rooms...I HATE this sort of thing.

Steve


There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #7459, from John_Corbett, 1976 chars, 18-Apr-94  23:00:30
Comment to 7452.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

>>  Never heard of Blue Mountain I have to admit anyway...I drink their coffee
though..<g>

They're an import company in Maidenhead and before you say it, I doubt very
much if THEY actually service their products, probably contract it out.
Isn't the coffee RED Mountain????<g>

>>  At the end of the day if your modem needs something doing in 4 years time
you are gambling that Blue Mountain will be around...as you would whichever
make you bought.  A lot of US and UK firms have gone down in recent years, and
masses of folks here have lost out.

In all honesty Steve, in 4 years time I would expect today's modem technology
to be old-hat the way it is advancing! I suppose I'm really only looking for a
couple of years use out of whatever modem I buy before I replace it with a
newer super dooper one!


>>  I have a Nokia 121 for it, as they have data link hardware
already...BUT...they are not UK approved so I have not yet been able to get
one to try.

I'd hate to think that you're having a dig at me Steve <g>

>> I'm sitting in a hotel room typing this and it has a brand new BT payphone
in it....no data port...and no sign of how they expect it to be used by
businessmen staying in such rooms...I HATE this sort of thing.

Are you sure that it's a payphone and not a moneybox phone? Do you have to
press a button when your call is answered? If so, try to plug you modem into
where the phone plugs in. Actually it's even better if it is a payphone and
you can access the line jack unit as you won't be charged for the call because
a payphone charges by the meter pulses sent from the BT exchange, all the
important bits (like disconnection) are done by the phone,NOT the line!!
I must say I've never come across a payphone in a hotel room before, sounds a
bit odd!

Try not to get bitter and twisted about BT, they're not worth it


John


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ukcomms/S1_General #7499, from Tim_Schneider, 767 chars, 19-Apr-94  08:56:44
Comment to 7424.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Tim Schneider 100271,1047
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

<< data attachment ... for engineers to be able to use their laptops and
one2ones to download and upload information from our office. >>

   Obviously being Mercury you could directly use communicate using the
digital data that the phone uses, which is much more efficient than using a
modem (my ISDN point), but would not be usable by anyone else. Or you can use
a modem, in which case you have:

Computer Serial (digital) -> Modem -> Phone (analog) -> A/D -> Radio (digital)
-> D/A -> Phone (analog) (digital) (analog) -> Modem -> Computer Serial
(digital)

   Wow I wonder how much data will get through - and think of the overhead!!

Cheers, Tim.

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ukcomms/S1_General #7516, from Cliff_Lawson, 674 chars, 19-Apr-94  11:30:14
Comment to 7424.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

you asked for comments about modems - more by chance than design we, at
Amstrad, are quite large users of Pace modems (even though Pace is our No. 1
competitor in the satellite business!!). I'd highly recomment their modems.
The Pace Microlin fx 32+ that we recently acquired is particularly good and
can be had for around the price you quoted if you shop around. I've been able
to get 14,400 connections to systems that in the past I'd been limited to
using 9,600 even when called with one of our other V32Bis modems. I'm really
impressed.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S1_General #7558, from John_Corbett, 251 chars, 19-Apr-94  18:58:39
Comment to 7516.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Cliff,

Any ideas where I can get one of the Pace Microlin fx32+ modems for about
150???? I've never seen them at that price!!

John

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #7559, from John_Corbett, 332 chars, 19-Apr-94  18:58:45
Comment to 7499.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Tim Schneider 100271,1047 (X)

Tim,

I got confused just reading your message, but I understand your point.
Until some hard evidence of the one2one data attachment appears everything
else is just pure supposition!

I'll try to get some more info and keep you posted


John

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ukcomms/S1_General #7622, from Steve_Manners, 842 chars, 20-Apr-94  00:52:13
Comment to 7459.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

That wasn't a dig...I really meant I could not find a supplier for the Nokia
121 stuff cos it isn't approved.  I may buy non approved from the US in the
end...but then if it doesn't work well I will probably lose my money etc.

Re the phone...they appear to be in all Granada Motel rooms...brand new, and
they say BT Payphone on them.  They take credit cards and are hard wired into
the wall..  I had to play around quite a bit to make data calls from the
room...but managed it.

I will probably never stay in a Granada place again due to their choice of
phones for the rooms...I guess the same will be true of ALL business users
with modems..  They even show someone using a computer in a room on their
adverts too...pathetic.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #7682, from Cliff_Lawson, 280 chars, 20-Apr-94  15:26:42
Comment to 7558.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

Ah, admittedly I got my Pace Microlin from a distributor and because we are
VAT registered I never consider the Vat inc price. I paid 160 quid for it.

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S1_General #8098, from Jim_Evans, 431 chars, 23-Apr-94  14:57:18
Comment to 7459.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Jim Evans 100275,3427
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

>> in 4 years time I would expect today's modem technology
>> to be old-hat the way it is advancing!

In four years time I don't want to be using a modem (but I was saying
that 10 years ago! <sigh> and <gg> simultaneously

Jim Evans, Eclectic Systems, Chelford, UK

Voice 0625 861921
Fax   0625 860004
Also Internet jevans@eclectic.demon.co.uk


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ukcomms/S1_General #8099, from Jim_Evans, 454 chars, 23-Apr-94  14:57:23
Comment to 7682.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Jim Evans 100275,3427
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

My Pace Microlin Fx32+ was 399 last November (ex VAT) I saw them a few
weeks ago at 172 and was stunned. I wondered if it was a misprint for
the Fx32 (max 9600) but no. The half card internal is 148.

As you say, it is a great product.

Jim Evans, Eclectic Systems, Chelford, UK

Voice 0625 861921
Fax   0625 860004
Also Internet jevans@eclectic.demon.co.uk


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ukcomms/S1_General #8135, from John_Corbett, 390 chars, 23-Apr-94  20:42:51
Comment to 7682.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Cliff,
What you said was true enough. I managed to get a fx32+ for 147 plus vat.
Incidentally could you let me know what modem driver/initialisation string
you're using as I'm having a few problems getting my error correction and data
compression to work.

Thanks

John

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ukcomms/S1_General #8307, from Mark_Nowell, 308 chars, 24-Apr-94  21:52:12
Comment to 7335.
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Subject: Doom (uk) Modem Play
Fm: Mark Nowell 100023,622
To: 'Fred' Kirby [UK] 70734,126

Fred,

> Shareware version 1.2 supports modem play...

Thanks for the info - I have version 1.1 and see it supports Network play but
no mention of Modem. Any idea where I can get 1.2, doesn't seem to be here?

Mark



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ukcomms/S1_General #8396, from Cliff_Lawson, 811 chars, 25-Apr-94  15:06:48
Comment to 8135.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

I haven't changed or set any initialisation strings in any software I use. I
find that the defaults chosen by the Pace Microlin fx32+ are exactly right and
there is not point in over-riding it in any way.

The only place I did change a string was in some BBS software to make the
modem report back the correct format of CONNECT 14400/ARQ type of string but
for normal calls to commercial hosts I just go with what it chooses.

I'm always intrigued by all these messages from people about modem x,y or z
and what init string should be used with software a, b or c. Why not leave the
init string blank and see what happens? 99 times out of 100 it works with ho
hassle (or, at least, that's my experience).

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S1_General #8433, from Jim_Evans, 935 chars, 25-Apr-94  17:35:09
Comment to 8135.
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Subject: Supra Faxmodems
Fm: Jim Evans 100275,3427
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

Funny you should say that! I noticed this morning that into the Manchester
node I was not getting LAP-M ARQ and I don't think I ever have got V42.bis or
MNP compression. (I don't think its enabled at Compuserve until you connect at
14400)

The problem is I will use one service with one init string and then switch to
another with a different one.

For CIS, I use ATQ0V1E0F8&K3W1\r which I believe is:

Quite off Verbose Results on Echo on 9600 V.32 only (Without this I got a
connection at 14400 and it hung) Hardware flow control only (needed by wigwam)
Shows line speed, error correction & DTE speed on connect

When I connect to Demon Internet I also add S95=47 to give more info about the
error correction in use.

Jim Evans, Eclectic Systems, Chelford, Chesire, UK Voice 0625 861921 Fax
0625 860004 Also Internet jevans@eclectic.demon.co.uk



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ukcomms/S1_General #8993, from 'Fred'_Kirby, 222 chars, 28-Apr-94  00:04:54
Comment to 8307.
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Subject: Doom (uk) Modem Play
Fm: 'Fred' Kirby [UK] 70734,126
To: Mark Nowell 100023,622

>> Any idea where I can get 1.2,

Try GAMERS forum DMSWP.ZIP in LIB 7 appears to be a patch to convert shareware
1.1 to 1.2.

Fred

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ukcomms/S1_General #9477, from Ian_McNeill, 525 chars, 01-May-94  23:55:10
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Subject: What exactly is a UIC 
Fm: Ian McNeill 100330,3227
To: all

I was wondering if anyone can enlightened me as to what a UIC is.  The
only
way I have accessed CIS up to now is with WINCIM which makes the logon
process completely transparent.  I recently tried using standard comms
software to
dila the CIS london number.  I am trying to get access to a HOST in the
US.  I entered the HOST ID when prompted and then was asked for a UIC.
What is this
thing that I am being asked for ?

Regards
Ian

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ukcomms/S1_General #9486, from Paula_Payne, 524 chars, 02-May-94  06:27:57
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Subject: Get your pic in the Map
Fm: Paula Payne [UKCOMMS] 71333,1447
To: Bill Ford 70624,156 (X)

Bill,

If you already have a scanned image of yourself that would be
GREAT...saves me the work. <g> I'm using 110x130x256 color BMPs for the
map but can take most any format and size. I can convert it to a BMP
and resize it for you. I'll also need your short bio (no more than 550
characters counting spaces and punctuation) for the interests section.
I'm looking forward to your participation.

Paula

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ukcomms/S1_General #9505, from John_Corbett, 734 chars, 02-May-94  11:29:56
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners

Steve,

In our previous dealings, you were quite vociferous in your
condemnation of unapproved modems. Now whilst I don't share those
views, I can respect another person's opinion if it is something about
which they feel strongly.

You can imagine my surprise therefore when I logged onto your BBS and
noticed that you were advertising UNAPPROVED MODEMS FOR SALE!!!
Now excuse me for saying so, but that smacks of extreme hypocrisy!

It seems to be that you don't like people buying unapproved modems
unless they are buying them from you, whereby I assume that you are
making some sort of profit!

I look forward to your comments

John

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ukcomms/S1_General #9523, from Steve_Manners, 651 chars, 02-May-94  12:52:50
Comment to 9477.
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Subject: What exactly is a UIC 
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Ian McNeill 100330,3227 (X)

Ian,

There are masses of different ways to access CIS.  Most CIS comms
software, like Tapcis, comes with scripts for all the different access
systems.  If you find out what sort of node you are calling, Mercury,
BT, or whatever it is called, then look at the scripts for that sort of
access, you'll see what is required to be entered.  That's how I'd do
it anyway...

If that doesn't help, maybe you'd be best to state the US CIS number
you are calling, and what sort of node you believe it is.  Also, why
are you calling the US anyway?

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9530, from Rodney_Hall, 280 chars, 02-May-94  13:26:31
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Subject: Time Signals
Fm: Rodney Hall 100277,3542
To: All

Can anybody point me in the right direction to obtain modem time signal
numbers in UK, Germany, France, please. Also any pertinent information
would be much appreciated.

Thanks and regards, Rodney

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ukcomms/S1_General #9535, from Bill_Ford, 619 chars, 02-May-94  14:16:51
Comment to 9505.
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Bill Ford 70624,156
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John

PMJI, but I think you will find that Steve simply didn't see the point
in using un-approved modems, and didn't condemn them outright.

As to selling them, so what? It's perfectly legal to use non-approved
modems on private lines, and I would guess that many of Steve's
customers have such things.

I would suggest you go back and read Steve's postings with a little
more care.

Over to you, Steve, you're quite capable of looking after yourself<g>

regards

 Bill Ford (Berkshire, UK)
 OS/2 and Wigwam 2


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ukcomms/S1_General #9536, from Bill_Ford, 314 chars, 02-May-94  14:16:54
Comment to 9486.
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Subject: Get your pic in the Map
Fm: Bill Ford 70624,156
To: Paula Payne [UKCOMMS] 71333,1447 (X)

Paula

OK, I'll see what I can dig up. Might take a while, the scanner is the
only app I've got that won't run under OS/2, and my wifes' PC needs
surgery...

regards

 Bill Ford (Berkshire, UK)
 OS/2 and Wigwam 2


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ukcomms/S1_General #9553, from Andy_Johnson, 209 chars, 02-May-94  16:00:16
Comment to 9530.
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Subject: Time Signals
Fm: Andy Johnson [UKCOMMS] 75300,1504
To: Rodney Hall 100277,3542 (X)

Rodney,

Check out the files here for PC Clock programs. Lib 1 I think should be
best.

Andy




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ukcomms/S1_General #9568, from John_Corbett, 1166 chars, 02-May-94  18:35:29
Comment to 9535.
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Bill Ford 70624,156 (X)

Bill,

Firstly, I'm quite sure that Steve can speak for himself!

Secondly, I have read Steve's messages and I think that he does comdemn
them outright! To his credit, he also says that he doesn't give a fig
what modems a person uses though.

Thirdly and most importantly, my message was very tongue in cheek and a
bit of a playful dig at Steve. If you had bothered to read any of our
previous correspondence on this matter then perhaps you wouldn't have
fired off your blatant knee-jerk reply!!!

<< It's perfectly legal to use non-approved modems on private lines >>

What exactly do you mean by private lines?? If you are talking about
AC15 and DC5 and DC10 private circuits, then I suspect that you are
wrong. I believe that these are also subject to BABT rules as they are
provided by BT and as such enter and leave the BT exchanges! Now let me
stress that I'm not 100% certain of this but I always thought that was
the case. Although I'm sure that someone here on UK Comms will know for
certain.

Regards

John

BTW what on earth does PMJI stand for?????

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ukcomms/S1_General #9574, from Rodney_Hall, 247 chars, 02-May-94  19:34:37
Comment to 9553.
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Subject: Time Signals
Fm: Rodney Hall 100277,3542
To: Andy Johnson [UKCOMMS] 75300,1504 (X)

Andy,

Many thanks - just joined the forum today, so feeling my way around!
Just down-loaded a summary - see what you mean!! Thanks again.

Regards, Rod

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ukcomms/S1_General #9575, from Steve_Manners, 2026 chars, 02-May-94  19:47:03
Comment to 9505.
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

>> In our previous dealings, you were quite vociferous in your
condemnation of unapproved modems. Now whilst I don't share those
views, I can respect another person's opinion if it is something about
which they feel strongly.

I think I just said what I thought...nothing too 'vociferous'.

>> You can imagine my surprise therefore when I logged onto your BBS
and noticed that you were advertising UNAPPROVED MODEMS FOR SALE!!! Now
excuse me for saying so, but that smacks of extreme hypocrisy!

Of course it doesn't...  if you had read ALL my messages here you would
have seen me say I sell some non approved models, and that my reasoning
for suggesting people don't buy them any more are NOTHING to do with
the 'morals' of it.

>> It seems to be that you don't like people buying unapproved modems
unless they are buying them from you, whereby I assume that you are
making some sort of profit! I look forward to your comments

You missed the points I was making totally!

For the record, I used to sell virtually all non approved modems...now
I sell ONLY approved v32bis/Fax modems etc, but I do have ONE non
approved model on the list, a 2400 one, and that is because I have a
couple left to clear...from the above I guess you didn't note
that...but anyway...I would sell MASSES of US made v32bis modems
tommorow if I thought they were the best ones to offer members on my
system these days..  As I explained in a lot of detail I guess you
didn't read though, there are lots of reasons not to go for US non
approved v32bis modems at the moment....and I did say this was a
turnaround from 6 months back when I recommended US modems over UK ones
in general, due to the large price difference back then.

Steve

PS: If you don't use peoples ID numbers in the To: field they will not
get messages highlighted as theirs, and so a lot of folks would never
see or reply to such a message sent to them.


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ukcomms/S1_General #9576, from Steve_Manners, 1129 chars, 02-May-94  19:47:08
Comment to 9535.
----------
Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Bill Ford 70624,156 (X)

Bill,

Thanks.

He did sort of miss the points I was making..   How come when you say
'You should buy UK modems at present' folks assume that means you are
saying it cos of the stupid UK laws on such things... I hate those as
much as the next comms user....

To be honest, folks don't use US modems on private systems, and if
those systems connect to the BT one they probably still have to be
approved....a large percentage of folks on here use US modems...and
good luck to them. The main aim is to get a good deal....and I just
happen to currently think the UK modems are the best bet, so I say
so....it may not stay that way when v34 ones comes out....the US ones
may be cheaper than the UK ones by a large margin again....who knows.

As you point out, selling US modems is legal, and I sell what I
recommend as a rule....when I think US ones are a better buy I sell
those, when I think UK ones are I sell those, and the same goes for
software etc, I sell what I think is best at the moment..with modems
and software, etc.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9581, from John_Corbett, 1003 chars, 02-May-94  20:39:04
Comment to 9575.
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

Both yourself and Bill Ford seem to think that I've read all of the
messages that you've posted on this forum since the year dot. WELL I
HAVEN'T!!!!!

My opinions of your opinions(?) are almost solely based on the messages
that you have posted to me and not some you posted six months ago.

Now if you look over just these messages, it certainly appears as if
you subscribe to the "BABT approved modems or bust" brigade.

If I have misjudged you and you don't really think that all unapproved
modems should be cast into the fires of hell, then I apologise
unreservedly.

Finally, when I was composing my last message to you, I could not find
your ID number. All of my saved messages just showed Steve Manners
[UKCOMMS]. Having said that I've just noticed that if I reply to one of
your messages it shows your ID - which I have now noted for future
reference.

Regards

John 

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ukcomms/S1_General #9584, from Bill_Ford, 1021 chars, 02-May-94  20:46:48
Comment to 9568.
----------
Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Bill Ford 70624,156
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John

>>my message was very tongue in cheek and a bit of a playful dig at
Steve<<

And related:

>>BTW what on earth does PMJI stand for?????<<

PMJI=Pardon me jumping in.

Most CIS users include assorted abbreviations or symbols, generally
known as 'smileys' or 'emoticons', when the straight text of a message
could give the wrong impression. As there were none of these in your
message, I assumed it was meant to be taken at face value. If you are
unaware of these, there may be a list of the more common ones in the
library here or one of the other UK forums. Use smiley or emoticon as a
keyword for search.

At $9.60/hr, I don't indulge much in knee-jerk replies.

By 'private lines' I meant the sort that a company might string around
it's building(s) without reference to or connection with anything
belonging to BT. Didn't even realise there might be another definition.

regards

 Bill Ford (Berkshire, UK)
 OS/2 and Wigwam 2

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ukcomms/S1_General #9597, from Steve_Manners, 1479 chars, 02-May-94  21:27:35
Comment to 9581.
----------
Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

John,

>> Both yourself and Bill Ford seem to think that I've read all of the
messages that you've posted on this forum since the year dot. WELL I
HAVEN'T!!!!!

This is all in the last few weeks....and you started it...if you had
only read parts of what was being said it would be better not to jump
in with both feet...   Anyway...you say in a message to Bill you were
joking...then send another serious sounding one to me....dunno what to
say really.

>> Now if you look over just these messages, it certainly appears as if
you subscribe to the "BABT approved modems or bust" brigade.

Well I don't, and if you wanted to know that you only had to ask...or
read more of what I was saying.

>> If I have misjudged you and you don't really think that all
unapproved modems should be cast into the fires of hell, then I
apologise unreservedly.

Accepted, don't do it again...<g>

>> Finally, when I was composing my last message to you, I could not
find your ID number. All of my saved messages just showed Steve Manners
[UKCOMMS]. Having said that I've just noticed that if I reply to one of
your messages it shows your ID - which I have now noted for future
reference.

I would see the messages anyway, as I normally read all of them...I was
just mentioning it as if you wrote to others that way it is likely they
will miss it....and you'll think you are being ignored.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9619, from Pete_Hall, 161 chars, 03-May-94  00:21:19
Comment to 9477.
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Subject: What exactly is a UIC 
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Ian McNeill 100330,3227 (X)

I think UIC is the request for your user ID for that host..


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ukcomms/S1_General #9620, from Pete_Hall, 434 chars, 03-May-94  00:21:21
Comment to 9535.
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Subject: Unapproved modems
Fm: Pete Hall [UKCOMMS] 70374,604
To: Bill Ford 70624,156 (X)

It's illegal to connect unapproved equipment directly or *indirectly*
to the public telephone network..

This would include private lines.. unless you have a network that's
totally isolated, and you own all the cables and equipment used to
provide that network (extremly unlikely as it's virtually useless.. who
are you going to connect to?)


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ukcomms/S1_General #9629, from Kath_Larkin, 1978 chars, 03-May-94  02:10:03
----------
Subject: London node
Fm: Kath Larkin [UK] 70374,1760
To: all

Is there anything different about my local node (London) recently. I
can only access satisfactorily with Tapcis about once in 30 tries, yet
if I log in on the Bristol node (too expensive an STD line for normal
use) I've not yet failed on about 10 logons.

After years of no problems, and virtually no line noise, suddenly one
night some weeks ago, having changed nothing at my end, almost all
attempts to dial CI$  (or sh.. don't tell Steve.. CIX)  resulted in
either non-applicable BT announcements; (which differed eg number not
recognised, number changes for various local exchanges , but were
consistent for each number dialled; OR the logon connected, but
produced garbage inc busrts of mainly tildes and ?s, or was so
pathetically slow it dropped the line usually while waiting for the
next responses following the connection. Failure to get satisfactory
connections on all lines around was around 99% (though oddly improved
if dialling was changed from Tone to Pulse (tho'our exchange is tone).
Finding that there was no problem on the modem on the other machine
(though thinking about it, that one never did get changed to TONE),
decided the modem had packed up and got a new one, USRobotics
14400Faxmodem, but with limited improvement.

To date haven't tried to start adding changes like fax, or high speed,
just trying to get back the old efficiency at 2400, or wonder whether
the problem is with the computer or line. Cix via Windows Terminal
using 2 diff London nodes is now about 85% completely clean
satisfactory access, the other 15% I abort for instant garbage.
(compares with former rate of around 95/5). But I'm stumped on the
difference between the Tapcis nodes of around 3/97 or worse on London
and 100/0 (on an admittedly small sample) for Bristol using the same
initialisation string of ^M?1ATZ^M?K?ATDT for both nodes, and the
modem's default set up. Any ideas? TIA, Kath


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ukcomms/S1_General #9640, from Terry_Love, 573 chars, 03-May-94  08:23:06
Comment to 9629.
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Subject: London node
Fm: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430
To: Kath Larkin [UK] 70374,1760 (X)

Kath,

I had a modem at work that had problems with the London node - worked
perfectly with Bristol or Reading nodes. No idea why and I was very
naughty and didn't report it, just called Bristol instead. Doesn't
matter now as I've passed the modem on to another use and my pocket
modem works just fine with everywhere.

I'm actually blaming my el cheapo type modem rather than CIS which is
why I didn't report it (shhh, it didn't have a green spot).

Terry



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ukcomms/S1_General #9665, from Marysia_Woroniecka, 607 chars, 03-May-94  14:56:04
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Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361 (X)

John,
Thanks for the suggestion.  I am finding that the whole process of
getting onto the net is more tortuous than I had imagined.  I will get
hold of Windows software as soon as I can because I hate working in DOS
but again the only software available is on-line and Demon are not very
helpful about which would be the best for me.  If you have any advice I
would much appreciate it.
Anyway, I'll soon be there I hope.
Thanks again - any bright ideas gratefully received.
Marysia

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ukcomms/S1_General #9681, from Mike_McCann, 434 chars, 03-May-94  18:12:48
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Mike McCann 100070,1544
To: All

I am a new subscriber to Compuserve and this is my first experience of
using my
computer for communications.  People I have spoken to say I should also
try
accessing the Internet. How do I go about this???  Can I access
Internet via Compuserve or do I need to subscribe to another service
provider??

Many thanks (In anticipation of your replies!!)

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ukcomms/S1_General #9685, from Jim_Evans, 577 chars, 03-May-94  19:16:16
----------
Subject: Microlin FX32+ Problems
Fm: Jim Evans 100275,3427
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

Modem not hanging up - a long shot.

Have you tried adding an S12=xx parameter to the init string, say
S12=10. (If you do not add this the default for xx is 50, so I would use
a value between 10 and 50). This will reduce the time taken to recognise
the +++ escape sequence used to tell the modem that what follows is an
AT command not data. It might be that the default is too high and the
+++ and ATH0 are being taken as data.

Jim Evans, Eclectic Systems, Chelford, Cheshire, UK



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ukcomms/S1_General #9690, from David_Hansen,, 516 chars, 03-May-94  19:37:03
Comment to 9681.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247
To: Mike McCann 100070,1544

Mike,

I am just looking at accessing Internet. At the moment I think CI$ only
provides mail access to Internet, although they are working on this.
There are other providers that give full access for a price.

There are some files in the libraries of various forums outlining
Internet access. Try EURFORUM, UKCOMMS, UKCOMP and UKFORUM as a start
(these will be European orientated).




------> David


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ukcomms/S1_General #9692, from Steve_Manners, 1161 chars, 03-May-94  19:50:48
Comment to 9681.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Mike McCann 100070,1544

Mike,

>> I am a new subscriber to Compuserve and this is my first experience
of using my computer for communications.

Welcome to CompuServe, and UKCOMMS then.

I hope you make lots of friends here, and find the UK Forums useful.
This one covers Comms, UKCOMP covers computing, and UKFORUM is packed
with all sorts of stuff...a good place to make friends and chat and so
on.

As for Internet, well you can write to people on there from CIS if you
want. If you want to download files from there and so on live CIS are
expected to offer that in the not too distant future.  If you want to
dive straight in now there are masses of service providers, and they
are listed in a file in the library here.

In your position I think I would explore CIS fully first, and then when
you feel you know what there is to know about CIS and Internet and so
on, reconsider what you want out of comms and where you can get it in
the most cost effective manner.  This is likely to be via a handful of
well chosen systems at a guess...but different people have different
needs.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9698, from Steve_Manners, 200 chars, 03-May-94  20:20:22
Comment to 9690.
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247 (X)

David,

The official UK Internet access info is in UKCOMMS.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9699, from John_Rawnsley, 990 chars, 03-May-94  20:35:41
Comment to 9681.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Mike McCann 100070,1544

Mike,

Welcome to the forum/CIS/comms,...

CIS has two kinds of Internet connectivity at the moment - email to and
from the Internet and telnet from the Internet with more planned for
later this year although no details are available yet.

The kind of thing you might want to have access to would be Internet
news, file finders, archives. You can get this either directly or
indirectly.

The direct method involves getting an account on an Internet host or
setting up your own, e.g. Demon, CIX. The software can be difficult to
set up.

The indirect method is to get an account on a BBS where they already
have the things you want and where you can use your preferred comms
software and leave the system admin to do the dirty work, e.g. Steve
Manner's BBS Direct Line.

You can find a lot of the details for the different alternatives in the
file INET.ZIP in Lib 2.

John



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ukcomms/S1_General #9701, from John_Rawnsley, 720 chars, 03-May-94  20:35:45
Comment to 9665.
----------
Subject: Getting Going
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774 (X)

Marysia,

In looking around I have come across one title specifically devoted to
Windows based Internet access

Windows Internet Tour Guide by Michael Frasse Ventana Press, ISBN
1-56604-081-7

There's a similar book by the same author for PCs. Also

Hands-on Internet: A Beginning Guide for PC Users by David Sachs &
Henry Stair Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-056392-7

All include a disk of software. Please note, I'm not recommending these
books, just picking them out from a list as likely to be of interest.
If you can get along to a large bookstore such as Foyles you would find
lots more.

John




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ukcomms/S1_General #9702, from John_Corbett, 222 chars, 03-May-94  20:39:16
----------
Subject: RS232C Cable
Fm: John Corbett 100102,2375
To: all

Could anybody out there possibly provide me with the Pin-outs for a
RS232c modem cable?
PC serial port - 9 Pin to Modem - 25 Pin.

TIA

John 

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9707, from Joy_, 791 chars, 03-May-94  21:04:24
----------
Subject: US Computer in UK
Fm: Joy  Press 73753,1043
To: fred barbash 72302,3572

You may have resolved your convertability questions by now, but since I
just went through the same thing I thought I'd add a few words. I'm
also an American journalist who moved over to London with a brand new
IBM laptop and had a few problems getting set up here. I would
definitely recommend calling the manufacturer and picking their
brains--it turned out I needed a special converter and was told that
often if you don't use the official converter, it nullifies your
warranty! Hopefully that doesn't apply in your case. It was easy then
to connect this to a UK plug available over here. (Same with the
modem.) However, if the Post will foot the bill, I'd skip the trouble
and just pick one up over here!

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ukcomms/S1_General #9713, from Boris_King, 311 chars, 03-May-94  21:33:38
Comment to 9665.
----------
Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774 (X)

When setting up I personally found the best & generally the most useful
guide was the Winsock Beginners Guide from Demon in the
/pub/ibmpc/winsock/DICdocs > ws_bg_v5.txt

Boris King (UK) 100044,2777



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ukcomms/S1_General #9727, from David_Hansen,, 151 chars, 03-May-94  22:16:48
Comment to 9698.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: David Hansen, Edinburgh 100024,3247
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

Steve,

Ta very muchly.


------> David


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ukcomms/S1_General #9757, from Boris_King, 468 chars, 04-May-94  00:45:11
Comment to 9699.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361 (X)

Just a note to this reply: CIX doesn't need any outside software to
access the internet. You run clients on the CIX Machine by typing 'go
internet' Although CIX only offers Usenet Newsgroups, ftp, telnet,
gopher and text only WWW etc, They do not offer full WWW or rlogin for
which you need a ppp/slip link like Demon's.

Boris King (UK) 100044,2777



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ukcomms/S1_General #9763, from Kath_Larkin, 616 chars, 04-May-94  02:18:05
Comment to 9640.
----------
Subject: London node
Fm: Kath Larkin [UK] 70374,1760
To: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430 (X)

Terry,

Thanks for input. I didn't unpack mine so don't know if there was a
green spotted swing ticket, but it has the BABT approval notice and
details printed on its bottom!  By the way an &T8 analog loopback test
gave 033 errors, do you know if this is within an acceptable range, or
should I divert this query to the US RObotics section.

Green spotted sounds like a hybrid 1st cross woodpecker - and who
wouldn't be cross with the headache they should get from banging their
heads on trees.

Kath


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ukcomms/S1_General #9786, from Terry_Love, 325 chars, 04-May-94  08:58:01
Comment to 9763.
----------
Subject: London node
Fm: Terry Love [UKCOMMS] 70007,5430
To: Kath Larkin [UK] 70374,1760 (X)

Kathm

You'd best ask the folks on the USR section about the result of the
loopback test, all I ever do is plug in and use the stupid things these
days <g>... If they don't work I throw 'em away and get a new one <g>
...

Terry



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ukcomms/S1_General #9788, from Alan_M, 1000 chars, 04-May-94  09:24:19
Comment to 9681.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251
To: Mike McCann 100070,1544

Mike:

Before you rush off and 'connect to the Internet' don't you think it
might be worthwhile checking on what you might find there, and why you
might want to connect. (I'm not saying you shouldn't, just that there
might with benefir be some purpose in your blundering around <g>.)

Read a book (startling concept!) like 'The Complete Internet' to find
out what it's got, the various ways of accessing it and what you can do
on each once you have. Better still, arrange to have yourself a
demonstration of the various flavours. Then you might be better placed
to decide whether you want to live with the access that can be achieved
via the CompuServe service, or whether you need something more
sophisticated such as can be provided by CIX or Demon. (Two very
different services, so don't just rush off and sign up with one at
random.)

Alan M Dunsmuir [London]     04-May-94 at 08:59:01 BST

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ukcomms/S1_General #9789, from Alan_M, 338 chars, 04-May-94  09:24:25
Comment to 9698.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251
To: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737 (X)

 >> The official UK Internet access info is in UKCOMMS.

And just how 'official' is that, Steve? <g> Got the 'Net's 'Official UK
Spokeperson' Award, have we?

Alan M Dunsmuir [London]     04-May-94 at 09:00:44 BST

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ukcomms/S1_General #9790, from Alan_M, 762 chars, 04-May-94  09:24:36
Comment to 9699.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361 (X)

 >> CIS has two kinds of Internet connectivity at the moment - email to
and
 >> from the Internet and telnet from the Internet with more planned
for
 >> later this year although no details are available yet.

John - There's a third option currently available, which is to use the
CompuServe Network to access 'Net providers via an ASCII-like link.
(i.e. dial the ConmpuServe phone number and type in a different 'Host
Name'.) For net services which operate mainly on an e-mail and BBS-type
interface, it is perfectly adequate, although it carries a CIN
connection surcharge. I use it to access the Well.

Alan M Dunsmuir [London]     04-May-94 at 09:05:17 BST

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ukcomms/S1_General #9795, from Marysia_Woroniecka, 219 chars, 04-May-94  11:49:47
Comment to 9713.
----------
Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774
To: Boris King 100044,2777 (X)

Boris,
Thanks for the suggestion.....once I figure out enough to get there
I'll download the guide.
Marysia 

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ukcomms/S1_General #9796, from Marysia_Woroniecka, 222 chars, 04-May-94  11:51:05
Comment to 9701.
----------
Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774
To: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361 (X)

John,
Thanks for the suggestions - I'm in London so I'll cruise the
bookstores as soon as I get a chance.
Bye,
Marysia

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ukcomms/S1_General #9818, from Steve_Manners, 512 chars, 04-May-94  14:21:33
Comment to 9789.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Steve Manners [UKCOMMS] 70007,4737
To: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251 (X)

Alan,

>> And just how 'official' is that, Steve? <g> Got the 'Net's 'Official
UK Spokeperson' Award, have we?

You do send strange messages....   If you want to know how much
importance most folks give that list I'd ask John Rawnsley, he is our
'Internet' Sysop. Those who prepart it seem to put a heck of a lot of
work and effort into it to me, so I suspect most folks respect it, even
if you don't.

Steve


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ukcomms/S1_General #9833, from Terry_Marsh, 448 chars, 04-May-94  18:39:42
Comment to 9757.
----------
Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Terry Marsh 100016,3146
To: Boris King 100044,2777 (X)

Would somebody please translate?!

 >CIX only offers Usenet Newsgroups, ftp, telnet, gopher
 >and text only WWW etc,
 >They do not offer full WWW or rlogin for which you
 >need a ppp/slip link like Demon's.

Usenet Newsgroups? ftp? - file transfer protocol? telnet? gopher? text
only WWW? full WWW? rlogin? ppp/slip link? Demon?

TIA Terry

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ukcomms/S1_General #9840, from Cliff_Lawson, 306 chars, 04-May-94  18:44:20
Comment to 9486.
----------
Subject: Get your pic in the Map
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: Paula Payne [UKCOMMS] 71333,1447 (X)

Paula,

Is this open to everyone - I have a reasonable scanned image of myself
(just multi-grey levels) that I could send you. What does the 550 words
have to say?

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S1_General #9843, from Cliff_Lawson, 549 chars, 04-May-94  18:44:41
Comment to 9702.
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Subject: RS232C Cable
Fm: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517
To: John Corbett 100102,2375 (X)

Wire a PC 9 pin to modem 25 pin cable as follows:

        9 pin PC end            25 pin modem end

        pin 1 (DCD)             pin 8
        pin 2 (Rx)              pin 3
        pin 3 (Tx)              pin 2
        pin 4 (DTR)             pin 20
        pin 5 (Gnd)             pin 7
        pin 6 (DSR)             pin 6
        pin 7 (RTS)             pin 4
        pin 8 (CTS)             pin 5
        pin 9 (RI)              pin 22

Cliff  

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ukcomms/S1_General #9865, from John_Rawnsley, 536 chars, 04-May-94  21:32:48
Comment to 9789.
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251 (X)

Alan,

Like most Internet lists the UK Access List is only official in the
sense that all the Internet providers, even the biggies EuNet GB and
Pipex, feel the need to have entries and keep them up to date. Paola
Kathuria maintains the list on a purely voluntary basis, but did take
over the job from someone else when they dropped out, so the list has
existed for quite a long time. And, I may say, she is doing a great
job.

John



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ukcomms/S1_General #9867, from John_Rawnsley, 270 chars, 04-May-94  21:32:52
Comment to 9833.
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Terry Marsh 100016,3146

Terry,

Take a look at the files in our Internet library (Lib 2). Search on the
keyword INTERNET.

There's also a whole CIS forum devoted to the Internet (GO INTERNET).

John


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ukcomms/S1_General #9868, from John_Rawnsley, 281 chars, 04-May-94  21:32:53
Comment to 9840.
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Subject: Get your pic in the Map
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517 (X)

Cliff,

<< Is this open to everyone >>

Mandatory for sysops. You could get an idea what to write by
downloading it from UKFORUM and seeing what others did.

John



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ukcomms/S1_General #9885, from Gerry_Stone, 480 chars, 04-May-94  22:33:16
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Subject: Electronic Mail Assn
Fm: Gerry Stone 100271,2200
To: All

Subj:  Electronic Mail Assn             Section: Networking/Assns
From:  Gerard Stone, 100271,2200
  To:  All                               04 May 1994 21:44:15



Can anyone tell me the fax number or e-mail address of the:-
Electronic Mail Association
1555 Wilson Blvd, Suite 300
Arlington
VA 22209
USA

I have a phone number (703 875-8620), but this seems to be inoperative.
Any ideas ??

Many thanks.

Gerry.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9898, from Bill_Ford, 402 chars, 04-May-94  23:07:05
Comment to 9665.
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Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Bill Ford 70624,156
To: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774 (X)

Marysia

There are a couple of forums here on CIS that might help, one is the
Internet Forum (INETFORUM), the other is the Electronic Frontier
Foundation (EFFSIG). The latter had some guides to the net in the
libraries some while ago, probably still there.

regards

 Bill Ford (Berkshire, UK)
 OS/2 and Wigwam 2


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ukcomms/S1_General #9922, from Boris_King, 324 chars, 05-May-94  00:44:13
Comment to 9788.
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251 (X)

I agree with Alan, and also recommend The Internet Yellow Pages by Hahn
& Stout, pub. by Osborne/McGraw Hill which is entertaining in its own
right, which a strange thing to be saying about a directory <g>
Boris King (UK)
100044,2777

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ukcomms/S1_General #9923, from Boris_King, 568 chars, 05-May-94  00:44:15
Comment to 9795.
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Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: Marysia Woroniecka 100330,2774 (X)

If you have downloaded Demon's DIS dos package you wait until after
connection with the time & news servers press return for the net prompt
type ftp ftp.demon.co.uk, login as "anonymous" (sans ") and cd through
the dirs, and "get wk_bg_v5.txt" if you have any problems please feel
free to email me, be warned I'm no expert, but they do say the best
guides are those that have just gone before, I will try to live up to
that <g>


Boris King (UK)
100044,2777

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9935, from Boris_King, 210 chars, 05-May-94  03:05:15
Comment to 9833.
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Subject: Internet Access
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: Terry Marsh 100016,3146

Terry,
If you want I could email you a short, but by no means definitive
translation of all these.

Boris King (UK)
100044,2777

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ukcomms/S1_General #9954, from Allen_J., 585 chars, 05-May-94  08:14:04
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Subject: Accessing Compuserve
Fm: Allen J. Kwawer 70322,2470
To: John Rawnsley 100015,632

I am going to be traveling in the UK from mid-May to mid-June.  I
expect to have a Toshiba lap-top computer but have not decided which
modem to procure.  I normally send my messages using Ozcis2 but have
used CIM (both in DOS not Windows).  Most of the strings that I have
downloaded appear to be somewhat old.  Can you help with advice on
software setup, telephone connector requirements, access tips, etc.?
Any and all advice will be appreciated. Thank you.

Allen Kwawer

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9959, from Alan_M, 883 chars, 05-May-94  08:52:48
Comment to 9923.
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Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251
To: Boris King 100044,2777 (X)

 >> If you have downloaded Demon's DIS dos package you wait until after
 >> connection with the time & news servers press return for the net
 >> prompt type ftp ftp.demon.co.uk

Boris:

You can do it while NewsGroup messages sre still scrolling past. Don't
hit enter, just type ftp ftp.demon.co.uk (or wherever, or other 'Net
services like telnet instead of ftp). You'll hardly be able to see what
you're typing, because the lines are scrolling up all the time
recording incoming messages, but when you hit enter at the end you'll
get a stable, empty screen for your ftp session.

At the end just hit F10 (? I'm using the winsock packages now) to close
the ftp (or telnet) session and return to the incoming messages.

Alan M Dunsmuir [London]     05-May-94 at 08:31:16 BST

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9961, from Martin_Harwood, 492 chars, 05-May-94  09:14:05
Comment to 9530.
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Subject: Time Signals
Fm: Martin Harwood 100117,213
To: Rodney Hall 100277,3542 (X)

Rodney,
 Numbers are US Nist 303 494 4774
             Austria 43316472366
             Italy 39113487892
             Sweden 4687410809
             UK 0891 616717
 A piece of software called Timeset will access all the above and is
distributed as shareware. A PD product timeset(UK) will access the UK
only service ,this s/w is available on this board. Hope this helps
Martin Harwood.

There is 1 Reply.

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ukcomms/S1_General #9995, from Eleanor_Milne, 352 chars, 05-May-94  14:31:21
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Subject: Fax- on-demand
Fm: Eleanor Milne 100067,2170
To: all,

I am looking for a fax-on-demand system, which is incorporated into a
fax/modem card for a PC. It would need to be updateable from the
computer
and also have voice prompts for users.
If anyone has any ideas, or knows of an outfit that provides this,
could they send me a message.
Thanks

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ukcomms/S1_General #10013, from Rodney_Hall, 251 chars, 05-May-94  18:46:28
Comment to 9961.
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Subject: Time Signals
Fm: Rodney Hall 100277,3542
To: Martin Harwood 100117,213

Martin,

Thankf or the numbers.  I know all except Austria - so that's one more
to add to the list - still looking for Germany and France.

Many thanks

Regards, Rodney

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ukcomms/S1_General #10036, from John_Rawnsley, 1054 chars, 05-May-94  22:59:02
Comment to 9954.
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Subject: Accessing Compuserve
Fm: John Rawnsley [UKCOMMS] 72662,3361
To: Allen J. Kwawer 70322,2470

Allen,

I have a WorldPort modem in my Toshiba and it seems to work quite well with
many phone systems. I don't have to use any special strings with Tapcis or
DosCIM. I don't use OzCIS so I can't advise on that.

Most modems should work in the UK without special setups. The odd one might
not recognize the UK dial tone, so you would then have to make it blind dial
(ATX0). When you are narrowing your modem choice down, perhaps you can ask
again and see if anyone knows of any problems with the models you plan to
get.

The UK phone socket differs from the US one so you need a cable with one of
each at the ends, correctly wired

US         UK

1    / ---
2---
3---
4    \ ---

Beware of the 'straight through' cables sold by Tandy (Radio Shack). If you
are passing through London you can get an adapter instead from McDonalds on
Oxford Street. Or contact Tom Jones over on UKFORUM who is in California
and sometimes has a supply of adapters.

John


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ukcomms/S1_General #10054, from Boris_King, 278 chars, 06-May-94  00:18:02
Comment to 9959.
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Subject: Getting Going
Fm: Boris King 100044,2777
To: Alan M Dunsmuir 100016,1251

>You'll hardly be able to see what you're typing

This is quite confusing and why I usually wait 'til the end of the
kerfuffle <g> and advised Mary to do likewise.

Boris King (UK) 100044,2777


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ukcomms/S1_General #10056, from Nikolay_Ichpekov, 177 chars, 06-May-94  00:24:59
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Subject: UK DOOM LIST
Fm: Nikolay Ichpekov 100334,206
To: All

  The new list of Doom players in the UK is now available in the
General library of the UK Communications forum.

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ukcomms/S1_General #10061, from Roger_Jones, 568 chars, 06-May-94  00:50:25
Comment to 9837.
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Subject: TELEX
Fm: Roger Jones 70374,1637
To: Cliff Lawson [AMSTRAD] 75300,1517

To Steve and Cliff.  Thanks for explaining why it is HIGHLY unlikely
that we will be able to receive faxes into our CIS mailbox.  I can
understand your reasoning and now concurr.  Interestingly I was reading
another source of information tonight and see that Delrina are about to
launch a "VIRTUAL" fax mailbox service.  Faxes can be sent to that
"mailbox" and then retrieved at any time, from anywhere, using a PC
with faxmodem.  Sounds interesting but I wonder how much.....   Roger 

