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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7807, from Clive_Taylor, 1565 chars, 31-Mar-94  09:36:51
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: Sysop (X)

Dear Ed.

Here is a copy of the text of the conversation I'm currently having
with Dell about Pansonic CD drives & CDRs - you may be interested as
the Panasonic keeps getting picked as the best drive.

Quote <
Are you aware that the Pansonic/Matsushita/Creative Labs CD drive you
supply won't under any circumstances read a CDR 74 burnt to ISO/orange
book standards.

Even a Mitsumi will !! - would appreciate a comment and you putting
pressure on Panasonic to sort this out.

We have a JVC Rom burner which we are using to archive completed design
data.

We've discovered (and this has been verified by other users) that if
you burn a CDR74 with more data than will fit on a CDR63 the Pansonic
cannot read it. The drive make the same 'crunching' sound that a disk
drive makes with a corrupt disk. If you burn a CDR74 with less data
than a CDR63 the drive is happy.

Different manufacture of media (Kodak, Mitsumi, Tio Uden(?)) makes no
difference to the performance of the drive. I hasten to add that every
other manufacture of drive we have tried perform fine - Sony, Toshibas,
Mitsumi.

You will find that 'pressed' CD's are created to yellow book standards
whereas CDR's are produced to orange book standards.

This info. has been sent to Panasonic (Japan I believe) by JVC.
Obviously it was originally JVC that I was chasing as I thought it was
thier equipment making bad CDs.
> end quote

Be interested to know what you think about this.

Regards,
Clive Taylor


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7828, from Mike_Finister, 1629 chars, 01-Apr-94  20:46:32
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Subject: MS-DOS 6.20 Step Up
Fm: Mike Finister 100101,1206
To: ALL

Greetings fellow PC-Plus readers.

I've just upgraded to MS-DOS 6.20 using Microsoft's Step-Up diskette
and would like to pass on my experiences.

The actual Setp-Up procedure worked fine and when my PC was
rebooted...voila, version 6.20 working ! (A miracle for the Big M !).
I tried scandisk and the new overwrite prompting and it worked...my
hopes were rising.

I then tried to run Windows and my PC stopped with an EMM386 warning
that enhanced mode could not be used because of an error in the default
path...whatever that means !  That was it no other information and
nothing in any readme files.  I ran EMM386 from the command line and my
VSAFE kicked in saying that it had changed...I chose to update VSAFE's
record.  A light bulb appeared above my head and I trued Windows
again...it got further then told me that a device file was missing and
I would need to run Setup again but showed me SMARTDRV's name.

Because of my succes with EMM386 I ran Anti-Virus over all my drive and
updated the new DOS file records.  Windows then ran OK after rebooting
!

It was nice of Microsoft to think about us, the users, when creating an
upgrade wasn't it ?  With so many people nowadays being virus aware and
using VSAFE type products you would have thought that Microsoft would
have pciked up on this potential conflict...wouldn't you ?  Or is it
that the Big M want to be phoned up by users that are frightened by
useless messages so that they can then sting them for support charges !

Any comments anyone or similar experiences ?

Mike :-)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7834, from Alan_Ralph, 825 chars, 02-Apr-94  15:15:27
Comment to 7807.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Alan Ralph 100025,1551
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

Most interesting, Clive.

The company I work for does a lot of business now mastering CD-Rs from
data supplied on tape by customers. We use a Philips CDD521 recorder
for this. We have not yet had a customer return a CD-R saying their
drive cannot read it, and I hope we never will.

Needless to say, I'd be interested to hear what comes out of your
investigations. We've been looking at other CD-R recorders recently,
including the JVC one, with a view to extending our CD duplication
package to support more set-ups, and we don't want to get into a
position where we can't guarantee that our duplicate CDs will read on a
customers system!

Alan Ralph - Watford, Hertfordshire, UK.
-< via WigWam Multi 2.00f >-

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7837, from David_Hazelgrove, 431 chars, 02-Apr-94  19:28:21
Comment to 7828.
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Subject: MS-DOS 6.20 Step Up
Fm: David Hazelgrove 100316,3340
To: Mike Finister 100101,1206 (X)

I must admit that I had so many problems with VSAFE that I have
reluctantly decided that it isn't worth the hassle, and have stopped
using it. I even had to run the anti-virus program before I could get
the backup program to run at all!

Get yourself Dr. Solomon's anti-virus or MacAffee's offering instead.

Dave

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7887, from Clive_Taylor, 1045 chars, 07-Apr-94  13:11:51
Comment to 7834.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: Alan Ralph 100025,1551 (X)

Hi Alan

Intersesting that you've had no problems with the Philips.

Are you actualy filling a CDR74 with data? I can burn a CDR74 that a
Pansonic will quite happily read - however it cann't have more data
than will fit on a CDR63. I have proven this satisfactorily to myself
and JVC by making copies of:

        1. My Encarta onto a CDR74 (it's 670Mb). The Panasonic has a
fit!
        2. My Rebel Assault onto a CDR74 (its 400Mb). The Panasonic has
a fit!
        3. My Rebel Assault onto a CDR63. The Panasonic reads it
happily!

Except for the old single speed mitsumi's I haven't come across another
drive that has this problem. It certainly isn't a fault with the JVC
writer rather with the firmware/drivers for the Panasonic.

I just hope sufficient pressure can be put on Panasonic to fix the
problem - hopefully with a retro-fit aspect. There's going to be a lot
of unhappy customers out there!

Regards,
Clive Taylor

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7890, from PC_Plus, 499 chars, 07-Apr-94  14:35:54
Comment to 7887.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

Our CDROM expert (Matthew Richards) opined that the laser in panasonics
was a bit wimpy and enough light didn't reflect off the green dye in
rewritable CDs or off gold CDs. He'd had trouble reading disks he'd
cut, with the Panasonic giving up in different places each time, but no
trouble reading the corresponding silver disks. How does this fit with
your problems?

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7896, from Clive_Taylor, 1023 chars, 08-Apr-94  10:25:34
Comment to 7890.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

Initially we thought that that was the problem, and there may still be
something it. We've tried the Tio Uden(?), the bottle green ones, the
Mitsui ,mid greeny yellow, and the Kodak the BRIGHT gold ones and they
all give same results.

The panasonic is perfectly happy with the yellow book standard disks,
the pressed ones, but falls over with the CDR74 extensions to the
orange book standards.

I still cann't understand why as long as you don't break the 63min
barrier on a 74 minute disk the panasonic is at peace with the world!
The bit is set to tell the drive that it is 74min media whether the
disk is full or not, similarly the density, track width (or what ever)
is the same whether it's full or not.

Can your Philips fill a  74 and have a Panasonic read it? Caleb Roth at
JVC would be most interested to know.

Incidentally if you want to speak to me directly I'm on 0926 412711

Regards,
Clive Taylor

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7921, from PC_Plus, 152 chars, 11-Apr-94  09:41:18
Comment to 7896.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

Thanks - I'll pass that on to Matthew


David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7939, from Robert_Lynn, 234 chars, 12-Apr-94  22:20:25
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Subject: PC Plus/April
Fm: Robert Lynn 70734,466
To: All

Am I the only subscriber to PCPlus not to have received the April issue?

The March edition said that the next issue was going to be out on the 17/3.

Bob.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7942, from PC_Plus, 149 chars, 13-Apr-94  13:10:13
Comment to 7939.
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Subject: PC Plus/April
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Robert Lynn 70734,466 (X)

er...yes. I'd ring 0225 442244 and ask for subs.

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7948, from Alan_Ralph, 999 chars, 13-Apr-94  22:59:26
Comment to 7887.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Alan Ralph 100025,1551
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

At this time we've only had a couple of jobs that required CD-R 74min
discs. The majority of our work is with 63min discs.

Since both discs are the same size, the difference in terms of reading
and writing centres on how the drive tracks the 'groove' on the CD.
From the examples you mention, it sounds like the Panasonic drive has
its own idea of where the 'groove' is, and wanders off the track at a
certain distance out from the start of the CD! Of course, if the CD-R
was burned on the Panasonic in the first place that's no problem.

Out of interest, can you read a pressed CD on the Panasonic? This is
one problem area for us, some of our customers don't handle their CDs
too well, and we've had to clean CDs a few times before they'd copy
successfully onto the hard disk.

I look forward to your comments.

Alan Ralph - Watford, Hertfordshire, UK.
-< via WigWam Multi 2.00f >-

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7950, from Clive_Taylor, 633 chars, 14-Apr-94  13:24:36
Comment to 7948.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: Alan Ralph 100025,1551 (X)

Let me know any feedback you get from your CDR74 users.

We've had no problems (so far) with reading pressed disk of either
size. My users don't use the CD's as frisbees but then they're not that
gentle either. BUT they are careful about putting mucky finger marks
etc. onto the recorded surface. I assume it's because most of them have
CD's (music) at home where they have learnt to respect the disks. It
sounds like dirt/finger marks that are causing your problems.

Do Panasonic make a CD writer?

Regards,
Clive

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7964, from PC_Plus, 855 chars, 15-Apr-94  17:28:16
Comment to 7950.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

Well, as Future is a major producer of CDROM magazines and cover disks,
we've been investigating this quite hard. Our current experience is
that only Orchid and Panasonic drives have problems, and only with
orange book standard multisession disks containing more than 580
megabytes of data. Even if you try to write a single session disk, you
actually get a
 multisession disk with a flag set saying that the only session is the
last one.

The mastered silver disks, of whatever size, are pukka singlesession
disks to the yellow book standard and the problem doesn't arise.

So, it seems to us that the problem is with the way that a few drives
interpret the orange book standard, not with the JVC writer or with the
disks. David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7969, from Alan_Ralph, 1595 chars, 15-Apr-94  22:08:08
Comment to 7950.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Alan Ralph 100025,1551
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

>Let me know any feedback you get from your CDR74 users.

Well, we haven't had a CD returned as being unreadable yet!
Having said that, I wonder if our quality control could be improved
on... at the moment we create an image file from the master CD, verify
against the master CD, write out the dupe CDs, and usually verify one
in ten of the dupes against the image to check for media problems.
(One of the projects I have going at the moment involves speeding up
the reading and verifying processes so we can improve the turnaround
time for large CD duplication orders).

We're also setting up a system to track the CDs we create and duplicate
for customers, so we can trace back problems should they crop up in the
future.

>We've had no problems (so far) with reading pressed disk of either
>size. My users don't use the CD's as frisbees but then they'renot that
>gentle either. BUT they are careful about putting mucky finger marks
>etc. onto the recorded surface. I assume it's because most of them
>have CD's (music) at home where they have learnt to respect the disks.
>It sounds like dirt/finger marks that are causing your problems.

Nothing that a bit of anti-static cleaning fluid hasn't fixed.

OTOH we've had some very battered nine-track half-inch tape reels sent
to us for conversion work, including one that got run over by an
Interlink delivery van! <g>

>Do Panasonic make a CD writer?

Not that I'm aware of...

Alan Ralph - Watford, Hertfordshire, UK.
-< via WigWam Multi 2.00f >-

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7971, from Clive_Taylor, 411 chars, 16-Apr-94  14:17:16
Comment to 7964.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

Doesn'this infer that there COULD be a problem with the JVC writer. I
am only writing a single session disk (I believe). Certainly as far as
the menu program for the writer is concerned. Therefore if I'm getting
a multisession the fault lies with the writer not the reader - or am I
being dim!

Clive

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7973, from Steve_Coles, 610 chars, 16-Apr-94  22:05:57
Comment to 7837.
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Subject: MS-DOS 6.20 Step Up
Fm: Steve Coles 70374,3024
To: David Hazelgrove 100316,3340 (X)

Interesting, your problem with VSafe.  I've noticed two funnies:
1) If you scan a drive through Windows and write checksums, whenever
you run a DOS program VSafe reports the file as having changed!  (and
I've only got VSafe set to check for HD format and boot sector writes).
2) If you run McAfee's Scan, it reports the Iraeli Boot virus in memory
if VSafe is loaded (the IB virus is a floppy boot sector type).
Regards.
PS Both problems are no more than inconvenient but it would be nice not
to have false alarms.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7994, from PC_Plus, 321 chars, 19-Apr-94  12:38:04
Comment to 7971.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Clive Taylor 100012,1266 (X)

Point of view? A multisession-capable CDROM player should cope with a
disk with only one  multisession session occupying the whole disk -
whic (I believe) is what the JVC writer gives you.

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7995, from Richard_Morris, 590 chars, 19-Apr-94  14:11:31
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Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Richard Morris 100342,1520
To: David Norfolk 71333,1462 (X)

I have recently installed the latest versions of a number of different
Microsoft products.  It seems such a waste to have the previous
versions and their manuals stored away when they could be used by
someone else.  I remember once reading a letter from a charity
requesting old versions of software and I wondered:
a)    Are there any good causes you know of who would like the
superceded stuff?
b)    Is there a market for secondhand software (if no charities want
them)?

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #7996, from Richard_Morris, 378 chars, 19-Apr-94  14:11:37
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Subject: Toshiba T4500 Hard Drive
Fm: Richard Morris 100342,1520
To: David Norfolk 71333,1462 (X)

Despite Toshiba in their wisdom deciding that my T4500C/200 is now
obsolete, I would like to upgrade the hard disk to 340MB or so to cope
with the ever increasing size of software.
Do you know if this is possible, either with OEM or aftermarket
equipment?

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8003, from Kevin_Naughton, 907 chars, 20-Apr-94  00:02:19
Comment to 7995.
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Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Kevin Naughton (UK) 70630,2176
To: Richard Morris 100342,1520 (X)

Richard,

        There's a problem with supplying "second-hand" software to
anyone.  If the new products you mentioned are upgrades from previous
versions, the license will be transferred from the old versions to the
new ones.  This means that you can't sell, or even give away, the old
versions legally.  If you're using the new versions, the old ones would
be effectively un-licensed.  It's the same situation for trade-ups. If
you take advantage of the offer to "upgrade" Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel, you
effectively part-exchange your 1-2-3 license for an Excel one.
Therefore you can no longer sell, or even use, 1-2-3.  If they're pukka
new versions, my understanding is that it would be a new license and
you could safely dispose of the old one.

        Minefield, isn't it?

Kevin


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8005, from PC_Plus, 168 chars, 20-Apr-94  12:09:18
Comment to 7996.
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Subject: Toshiba T4500 Hard Drive
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Richard Morris 100342,1520 (X)

I'd try Gultonics, the Toshiba dealers 071 436 3131

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8006, from PC_Plus, 263 chars, 20-Apr-94  12:09:20
Comment to 7995.
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Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Richard Morris 100342,1520 (X)

Wilof Hey is collecting software for the health authority in the Brasov
region of Rumania. Try Mark Woodward at Anderson SoftTeach on (UK)
071-250 0911.

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8011, from Kelvin_Fay, 464 chars, 20-Apr-94  23:09:45
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Kelvin Fay 100346,151
To: PC Plus. 71333,1462 (X)

Am I missing sonething? I've just received my latest PC Plus and find
I'm offered a one year sub for the CD-Rom issue at a "discount price"
of 40 quid. In the same mag, non-subscribers are offered a three year
sub for the CD-Rom issue for 85 quid. Can I have the same deal as the
non-subscribers, please?

Regards, Kelvin  (UK)   20-Apr-94 at 23:04:30 GMT

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8021, from Tony_Farmer, 647 chars, 21-Apr-94  22:51:29
Comment to 8011.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Tony Farmer 100121,65
To: Kelvin Fay 100346,151 (X)

<< Can I have the same deal as the non-subscribers, please? >>

It seems like those of us that subscribe are not exactly valued
customers - if we were, they would have offered us a genuine free
upgrade to the CD-ROM version, rather than asking for an extended
subscription, or an extra 1.00 per copy. Does this mean that the CD
version is going to be more than 1 extra on the newsstands, or is it
another trick for the subscribers ?

My subscription to PC-Home was upgraded for free when they decided to
keep running their CD version....

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8025, from PC_Plus, 610 chars, 22-Apr-94  09:25:01
Comment to 8011.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Kelvin Fay 100346,151 (X)

Certainly. Send us 85 quid and we'll send you 36 CDROM issues.

AFAICS, 40 quid gets you 12 CDROM issues PLUS the remander of your
current subscription converted to CDROM - ie, more than 12 issues. So,
if you're lucky enough to have 11 issues to go, you get 23 issues for
40 quid which is better than the non-subscribers deal of 24 issues for
63 quid.

However, my brain now hurts, so I'll pass your letter on to the subs
people, in case the above is not what we actually printed.

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8028, from PC_Plus, 1019 chars, 22-Apr-94  11:29:54
Comment to 8021.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Tony Farmer 100121,65 (X)

We do value subscribers - for all sorts of sound commercial reasons, as
well as the fact that we all get a buzz out of having committed
readers!

We have just done a massive (and costly) exercise to get more
subscribers, in fact, and we work out the subscriber offers to be an
incentive to take out a subscription.

The CDROM edition *is*, however, going to be more expensive than the
floppy disk version - there's a lot of work going into it. We had a
choice: to do the CD as a very large floppy, with a naff interface and
lots of shareware/demo programs pulled from everywhere; or to do the
CDROM as a value-added extension to the magazine with the same sort of
art and production overheads that the magazine has.

We chose the latter option.

However, back to the first issue, we do value our subscribers! What
have we done to make you think otherwise, apart from introduce the
CDROM?

David Norfolk, Sysop



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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8032, from Roy_Brocklebank, 1039 chars, 22-Apr-94  19:05:04
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Subject: Stationery Shop
Fm: Roy Brocklebank 73064,1615
To: Kelvin Fay 100346,151 (X)

Just saw your thread about filofax paper. The Portex people are
Showerings Publishing Ltd, Thorns Beach, Beaulieu, Brockenhurst,
Hampshire, SO42 7XN. Tel 059065-711 Fax 059065-736.
They specialize in paper to match Portex ie it is in 2 columns for side
by side and back to back. They have both micro-perf for tractor feed
and cut-sheet for laser. You can have White, Pink, Blu, Yellow, or
Green. It comes in a range of sizes for Portex, Filofax, Deskfax, or
Pocketfax. Its not cheap as 1992/3 prices for 1000 sheets of Filofax
costs #28.08 and 500 sheets costs #19.86.
That said 500 sheets can give 2000 sides! I have converted my wife to a
filofax. She is computer phobic so we do not print a new page per day.
I use it to print her address book with semi-annual diaries.
I would say Showerings is quiet but not dead. They were retailing
Portex Professional 3.0 (DOS) at #122.08. All prices include VAT.
Hope this is useful.
Roy  

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8033, from Adrian_Perry, 280 chars, 22-Apr-94  20:09:03
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Subject: PC plus May Competition
Fm: Adrian Perry 100113,2662
To: PC Plus. 71333,1462 (X)

Wow.  Congratulations on producing the Ulitmate Zen Quiz.

I will now lean back into the lotus position and reflect upon the
answers.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

:-) Adrian


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8035, from Hugh_Wyn, 501 chars, 22-Apr-94  20:14:04
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Subject: PagemakerClassic/PagePlu
Fm: Hugh Wyn Griffith UK 100112,2056
To: cis:PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

David,

The May issue has a news item on Pagemaker Classic that says it is
effectively PM4 with no colour seps and Gwyn jones of Serif says it
would be interesting to see how it compares with PagePlus 3.

It would, wouldn't it? <g> Any chance of a detailed comparison RSN?

At the PM Classic price my instinct would be to go for the PM
experience but I could be wrong.

 Hugh



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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8036, from Hugh_Wyn, 613 chars, 22-Apr-94  20:14:08
Comment to 7996.
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Subject: Toshiba T4500 Hard Drive
Fm: Hugh Wyn Griffith UK 100112,2056
To: Richard Morris 100342,1520 (X)

I would try Stratum Technology Limited on 0734 321900. They do
processor upgrades too (See page 365 of PCPlus May, David <gdr>)

I haven't used them for my Tosh 1200XE but I bought a 105Mb portable
external parallel port HD from them and am very satisfied. Very nice
competent techies. I think they developed the portables sold under the
PEREX name since the one I have has that name on it.

They are members of the Tosh Partnership Scheme which I understand
means that they are approved by Tosh.

 Hugh


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8038, from Phil_Naylor, 341 chars, 22-Apr-94  21:04:37
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Subject: How to make it with wome
Fm: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434
To: All

I think if I was looking for an advert of this sort (latest PC Plus) I
would be a subscriber to a very different sort of magazine.  Surely it
can't be construed as appropriate material for a computer magazine?

Phil

!^NavFont01F0007MGHHGAF685C

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8039, from Tony_Farmer, 459 chars, 22-Apr-94  21:08:17
Comment to 8028.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Tony Farmer 100121,65
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

<< we do value our subscribers! What have we done to make you think
otherwise, apart from introduce the CDROM? >>

Nothing - I just thought it might have been a reasonable gesture to
offer us the CD at no extra cost - as I said, PC Home were able to do
this. I suppose providing the mag is to be more than 1 dearer for the
CD version I don't have much cause for complaint.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8040, from Tony_Farmer, 387 chars, 22-Apr-94  21:08:19
Comment to 8025.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Tony Farmer 100121,65
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

<< 40 quid gets you 12 CDROM issues PLUS the remander of your current
subscription converted to CDROM - ie, more than 12 issues. So, if
you're lucky enough to have 11 issues to go, you get 23 issues for 40
quid >>

Some mistake here surely - what about the money paid for the original
subscription ?! 

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8041, from Hugh_Wyn, 263 chars, 22-Apr-94  21:25:44
Comment to 8028.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Hugh Wyn Griffith UK 100112,2056
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

I'm glad you did not forget those of us without CDROM drives -- I don't
dare buy one for fear of not resisting the temptation to buy Mozart,
Encarta ..... <g>

 Hugh


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8042, from Tony_Farmer, 606 chars, 22-Apr-94  23:00:41
Comment to 8028.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Tony Farmer 100121,65
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

<< we do value our subscribers! What have we done to make you think
otherwise, apart from introduce the CDROM? >>

One further thought - I've spotted the subscription offer in the Mag
now - you offer non-subscribers the CD at 33 for 12 issues. Current
Subscribers have to pay 7 more for these 12 issues. OK , so they also
get the remainder of their current subscription upgraded to the CD -
but this is only economic if they have 7 or more issues to go.

Surely you've got your sums wrong somewhere.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8043, from Paul_Graham, 643 chars, 23-Apr-94  01:06:10
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Subject: Finding your perfect PC
Fm: Paul Graham 100317,536
To: PC PLUS 71333,1462 (X)

I have upgraded my computer steadily and now own a 486DX2/66 PCI local
bus with 16MB RAM. I have promised myself that the next upgrade will be
a PCI card as I don't have any yet. I've got an ISA windows accelerator
and think that the slight speed increase of a local bus graphics card
isn't worth it, yet. So it has to be a cached IDE controller card.

In your "How to buy a PC" article you don't test PCI IDE cached cards
though. Can I expect the same results as the VL-Bus cached controller?
BTW, just how much memory was on the VL-Bus card?

TIA
Paul

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8044, from Jeff_Green, 991 chars, 23-Apr-94  01:58:48
Comment to 8003.
----------
Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Jeff Green 100025,3163
To: Kevin Naughton (UK) 70630,2176 (X)

PMJI,
        I'm not a lawyer but I must disaggree. Any agreements made on
the purchase of software are between you and the seller. (NOT you and
the manufacturer). Anything the manufacturer may add as conditions of
sale or use is between the manufacturer and the retailer, it is not an
agreement the purchaser has entered into.
The Borland licence agreements, (for what they are worth) are "like a
book", only one person can use/read it at a time, but like old books
old Borland software can be sold or given away. (I only started with
Borland because someone gave me an old copy of Turbo Pascal, I upgraded
from that a couple of releases later, and they've been offering me
upgrade prices on everything ever since.
If you deal direct with Microsoft, rather than buying an upgrade
voucher from the retailer, then Microsoft rules may well apply.
Yes it is a minefield
Jeff

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8051, from PHILIP_HAWKINS, 1583 chars, 23-Apr-94  10:48:21
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Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: PHILIP HAWKINS 100341,1747
To: Editor-PCPLUS 71333,1462 (X)

I have just received the May 94 edition and at about the same time
recieved a reminder that my subscriptions are now due.

However I am dismayed to read in the in the reader's letters that
starting next month PCPlus and other Future magazines will feature
Cover CD's. Whilst I have no doubt whatsoever that CD drives in PC's
will increase dramatically in the near future BUT disc based users will
remain the majority for a long time to come. It is quite unreasonable
to cater for the minority at the expense of the majority. I have
already collected several CD's from various magazines which are quite
useless except for use as frisbies. In any case, magazines are
available and can be made available if Future so desire to cater
specifically for CD users.

Regretfully, unless I receive some assurance that cover discs will
continue to be available on PCPlus, I will either be placing my
subscriptions elsewhere or more likely become a browser/buyer instead.
I am sure that many other readers will share my views and I urge that
they too will protest by taking the same action.

PS - It was fotunate that I delayed renewing the subscription when I
received the earlier renewal notices - and the reason I did not renew
initially was because I cannot find any use for any of the Free Step by
Step books offerd. Would it not be sensible to offer books for some of
the more upto date products? howabout Word for Window, Ami Pro, Dos
6/6.2, Approach, Visual Basic etc.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8052, from Richard_Morris, 132 chars, 23-Apr-94  15:17:13
Comment to 8003.
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Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Richard Morris 100342,1520
To: Kevin Naughton (UK) 70630,2176 (X)

You're not kidding are you? <g>

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8053, from Richard_Morris, 166 chars, 23-Apr-94  15:18:22
Comment to 8044.
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Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Richard Morris 100342,1520
To: Jeff Green 100025,3163 (X)

Thanks for the info. Jeff.
I'll have to look carefully at the agreements.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8057, from Julian_Kirkness, 217 chars, 23-Apr-94  15:54:54
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Subject: FontSpec Pro
Fm: Julian Kirkness 100325,2350
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

I read your review of FontSpec Pro with interest - does anyone know if
this is available on CompuServe anywhere???

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8062, from Kevin_Naughton, 1365 chars, 23-Apr-94  19:39:36
Comment to 8044.
----------
Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Kevin Naughton (UK) 70630,2176
To: Jeff Green 100025,3163 (X)

Jeff,

        Yes, fair enough.  The Microsoft licenses also let you sell or
give away your software.  The point I was making was that you have to
be careful if you're giving away old out-dated copies that you have
upgraded.

        A good analogy would be buying a new car.  If I took my old car
into a garage and part-exchanged (upgraded) it for a new model, I would
lose the right to use the old car.  I would have transferred my rights
to it to the garage.

        As I understand it, the same applies to software.  If I take
advantage of Microsoft's offer and buy Excel 5 using one of their
trade-up schemes, I would be using my existing copy of Excel 4, Lotus
1-2-3, or whatever, as trade-in.  I would lose the right to use it
exactly as I would lose the right to use my old car.  And losing the
right to use it would also mean losing the right to sell or donate it.
That's why software companies ask for the front page of the manual or
the setup disk when you trade-up software - to show it's no longer a
"legal" version.

        As I said, that's my understanding, and I'm prepared to be
wrong.  In any case, I'd advise anyone to check their license
agreements and the terms of any trade-ups they may have bought VERY
carefully.

Kevin.


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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8064, from Peter_Johnson, 689 chars, 23-Apr-94  21:03:35
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Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Peter Johnson 100330,3031
To: All

I'm bemused by the concern shown by some about the vulnerability of CD
ROMs, vis a vis the use of caddies. One of the attraction of CDs when
introduced to the hifi market was their supposed indestructability. I'm
not aware of any hifi system being sold with a caddy drive and I can't
see why a CD ROM should be considered to be at a greater risk of damage
in normal use. Am I missing something?

(I've just discovered Exit's Group Efforts - I had to drag out the
April issue to catch up - it's brilliant! It should go on p5 to make
sure everyone reads it! But then you couldn't call it Exit?)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8071, from Kelvin_Fay, 358 chars, 24-Apr-94  00:00:01
Comment to 8025.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: Kelvin Fay 100346,151
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

David,

Thanks for the reply, it's always me isn't it?!?! I agree that if I had
11 issues to go, it would be a good deal, however I only have 1 or 2 so
it's not so hot. Look forward to hearing what your subs people think.

Regards, Kelvin  (UK)   23-Apr-94 at 23:53:55 GMT

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8072, from Kelvin_Fay, 289 chars, 24-Apr-94  00:00:03
Comment to 8032.
----------
Subject: Stationery Shop
Fm: Kelvin Fay 100346,151
To: Roy Brocklebank 73064,1615 (X)

Great! Now yoy've told me, I remember it was Showerings. I'll follow
this up. I'm using Lotus Organisor & want to print from that.

Regards, Kelvin  (UK)   23-Apr-94 at 23:55:46 GMT

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8073, from Peter_Le, 328 chars, 24-Apr-94  00:44:40
Comment to 8057.
----------
Subject: FontSpec Pro
Fm: Peter Le Conte 100116,2350
To: Julian Kirkness 100325,2350 (X)

FontSpec Pro can be found on CIS:WINSHARE, the libary is Fonts/ilities
from memory.
Current version is 5.3, filename is FSP30.ZIP

Registration is around 25 $ and is certainly worth it if you have loads
of fonts.

Cheers

Peter Le Conte

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8075, from Jeff_Green, 1139 chars, 24-Apr-94  02:32:11
Comment to 8062.
----------
Subject: Supeceded Software
Fm: Jeff Green 100025,3163
To: Kevin Naughton (UK) 70630,2176 (X)

<<A good analogy would be buying a new car.  If I took my old car into
a garage and part-exchanged (upgraded) it for a new model, I would lose
the right to use the old car.  I would have transferred my rights to it
to the garage.>>
The garage would also keep the old car, if they left it on your drive
and just asked for the front page of the servicing manual thats all
they'd get.
If Microsoft where to ask for all the system disks for the old
spreadsheet and asked for it to be removed from your hard disk then I
might agree with you, but they only ask for evidence of ownership.
Credit agreements often ask for evidence of car/home ownership. That
doesn't mean the credit company expects to take possession (only that
they might if you don't pay up).
(and yes I might be wrong, but I don't expect Microsoft, FAST, or
anyone else to be concerned with individuals when the waters are so
murky - Copying the system disks, photocopying the manuals and selling
those copies would get you into trouble though, but that's a different
matter)
Jeff

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8083, from Pearson_BROWN, 476 chars, 24-Apr-94  18:08:28
Comment to 8051.
----------
Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: Pearson BROWN 100332,3172
To: PHILIP HAWKINS 100341,1747 (X)

1. On page 7 Dave Pearman writes, "from next month, PCPlus will be
available on two editions: with a 3.5-inch SuperDisk or with a
cover-mounted CD-ROM."
2. On page 336, there are clear pictures as well as text illustrating
the two possible types of subscription.
3. The subscriber letter says you *can* convert your subscription, not
you *must*.

How much assurance do you want?

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8084, from Pearson_BROWN, 485 chars, 24-Apr-94  18:25:42
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Subject: CD-ROM Today
Fm: Pearson BROWN 100332,3172
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

I bought the first issue of the new Future magazine 'CD-ROM Today' and
was quite impressed, particularly by its CD-ROM. However, I was a bit
annoyed to note that two of the 11 PC items on it are also on the first
PC Format CD-ROM. Now I see that Authorware Special Edition, the main
item on it, is also to appear on the first PC Plus CD-ROM. Shurely
shome mishtake, Ed?

Pearson Brown

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8085, from Ian_Smith, 1338 chars, 24-Apr-94  19:14:49
Comment to 8064.
----------
Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Ian Smith 100114,2307
To: Peter Johnson 100330,3031 (X)

Peter,

Yes, I think that you're missing three main points :-

i)  the claims of indestructability for audio CDs were always
overstated, and were shown to be false within six months of the format
being released. Although early demos of CD relied on grinding scratched
CDs into the carpet and then playing them, this practice soon
disappeared :-)

ii) if an audio CD misses a few bits, then the ear won't even notice it
due the the various error correction mechanisms used and inaccuracies
within our hearing. However, as a CD-ROM consists of pure data, it is
much more critical that the data is recovered accurately. Consequently,
CD-ROMs are much more liable to damage due to mis-handling than are
audio CDs.

iii) not everyone is equally careful in handling CDs - caddies come in
particularly useful in an educational or industrial environment. Once
it's enclosed in a caddy, anyone can be let loose with the CD-ROM
without too many worries.

I must admit, when I was making the decision which CD-ROM drive to buy,
I was initially against the use of caddies, but the better performing
drives all used caddies so there wasn't a lot of choice. The situation
has changed a bit, now, though.

Regards,

Ian


Regards,

Ian



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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8089, from Steve_Pritchard, 1836 chars, 24-Apr-94  22:46:46
Comment to 8085.
----------
Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Steve Pritchard 100341,2464
To: Ian Smith 100114,2307 (X)

Ian,

While I agree with your points in general, I am one of those people
who, when searching for a CD ROM drive, was looking for one that
specifically didn't use a caddy.  I see it as an unnecessary expense.

Your point...

>>ii) if an audio CD misses a few bits, then the ear won't even notice
it due the the various error correction mechanisms used and
inaccuracies within our hearing. However, as a CD-ROM consists of pure
data, it is much more critical that the data is recovered accurately.
Consequently, CD-ROMs are much more liable to damage due to
mis-handling than are audio CDs.<<

I agree about the CD ROM needing to be more precise, but I have this
question.  If audio CD is 16bit stereo at 44Khz, then one second of
audio requires 1,408,000 bits, if we say a CD can contain 74 minutes of
audio or there abouts, then a whole CD will contain 6,251,520,000 bits
- convert to bytes, and we get 781,440,000 (approx 781Mb) - to my
knowledge, the capacity of a CD ROM is 650Mb - I was wondering, does
this descrepency of 130Mb represent some sort of error correction data,
thus making CD ROM a little more robust than Audio?

For those of us without caddies, if you do find a scratch on your CD
(ROM or audio), and this causes it to fail to be read, then try this
tip.  Take a small amount of car polish (T-cut is a little strong, but
might do the job), and gently polish the scratched area.  Eventually
(but not very long), the scratch will either dissappear altogether, or
will just become a smooth blemish, and you should find that this will
play - it worked for me, I had a nasty pit in a CD from the states
'Classic Queen', it jumped like b*ggery, until I hit it with the
Auto-Glym. <g>

Cheers,

Steve.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8094, from Phil_Naylor, 667 chars, 25-Apr-94  14:33:28
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Subject: More on CD ROM subscipti
Fm: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434
To: All

Just to emphasise to the people who set the pricing of these "Special
Offers"....

A new subscriber can get a year of CD ROMs for L33 An old subscriber
can upgrade and add a year for L40

which means that with my subscription having just 2 months to go, the
UPGRADE costs L3.50 per issue.  With a cover price of L3.95 that makes
my net savings a princely 90p compared to the cost of buying the CD ROM
at the newsagent for 2 issues and binning my subscription.

So much for brand loyalty, having been a subscriber for around 4 years.

Phil

!^NavFont01F0007MGHHHB11F4E

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8104, from Tony_Farmer, 166 chars, 25-Apr-94  19:59:18
Comment to 8094.
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Subject: More on CD ROM subscipti
Fm: Tony Farmer 100121,65
To: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434 (X)

I made the same point in another thread - still waiting a reply...

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8107, from tom_anderson, 180 chars, 25-Apr-94  21:28:16
Comment to 8033.
----------
Subject: PC plus May Competition
Fm: tom anderson 100121,1741
To: Adrian Perry 100113,2662 (X)

I had a little difficulty finding the questions as well
Regards................Tom

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8109, from Ian_Smith, 817 chars, 25-Apr-94  21:57:07
Comment to 8089.
----------
Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Ian Smith 100114,2307
To: Steve Pritchard 100341,2464 (X)

Steve,

AFAICR, one can't really compare data and audio formats - they are both
written to completely different standards (yellow book, red book - I
can never remember which is which <g>), so I don't think that the
calculation holds.

However, my main reason for choosing a drive with a caddy was that
there wasn't a caddyless drive on the market at that time that matched
it. Had there been, I might have made a different purchasing decision.
Having said that, I still reckon that caddies can make changing discs a
lot safer, even under domestic circumstances. Sure, they're expensive
compared to a 10UKP CD, but when the CD is 50UKP? 100UKP? loadsaUKP? -
doesn't sound such a bad investment, to me :-)

Regards,

Ian

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8111, from Andy_Downs, 334 chars, 25-Apr-94  22:59:21
Comment to 8094.
----------
Subject: More on CD ROM subscipti
Fm: Andy Downs 100043,2677
To: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434 (X)

Why don't you upgrade your existing subscription at 1 per issue. Then
you can start a "new" subscription at 33 for 12 months.

I had this suggested by those ever so helpful ladies on the PcPlus
voice line.


Andy

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8114, from PC_Plus, 256 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:08
Comment to 8033.
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Subject: PC plus May Competition
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Adrian Perry 100113,2662 (X)

Glad you enjoyed it. For the first feedback on our trial of the virtual
competition, you win... nope, sorry, that page has gone too.

Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8115, from PC_Plus, 261 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:10
Comment to 8035.
----------
Subject: PagemakerClassic/PagePlu
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Hugh Wyn Griffith UK 100112,2056 (X)

Yes - we thought that would be quite a good idea, too. As soon as
PagePlus 3 is finished, we'll do just that.

Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8116, from PC_Plus, 303 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:13
Comment to 8038.
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Subject: How to make it with wome
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434 (X)

My feeling exactly. Editors of magazines don't have any involvement in
advertising at all, thank goodness, but I'm assured that there will be
some changes in this department.

Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8117, from PC_Plus, 372 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:20
Comment to 8072.
----------
Subject: Stationery Shop
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Kelvin Fay 100346,151 (X)

printing from Lotus Organiser - I've had some late nights doing that!
check it several times on blank paper first! Edit your own page setup -
there's an interactive graphic screen showing borders - and be sure to
try it double-sided! when it works it's great! Mary Branscombe Features
Editor

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8118, from PC_Plus, 975 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:28
Comment to 8051.
----------
Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: PHILIP HAWKINS 100341,1747 (X)

>Regretfully, unless I receive some assurance that cover discs will
>continue to be available on PCPlus...

You have it. Excited as we are about CD-ROM, we'd be barmy to switch
entirely to that medium for cover-mounts. We're convinced that the PC
Plus SuperCD will be a major success, and we're working very hard to
make sure it's as good as we can make it. We've got some very ambitious
pland for the next few months - watch this space, as they say.

BUT to ignore people who haven't yet got CD-ROM drives would be
commercial suicide, so we're not going to. In fact, from the June
issue, PC Plus subscribers who stick with the 3.5-inch SuperDisk will
receive an extra bonus disk every month, featuring more great software
taken from the CD-ROM.

My personal feeling is that CD-ROM will take over much sooner than
everyone thinks...


Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8119, from PC_Plus, 286 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:31
Comment to 8064.
----------
Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Peter Johnson 100330,3031 (X)

I'm glad you enjoyed Group Efforts - it's a bit of a departure for PC
Plus, but I think it's great fun.

What does everyone else think of it?

Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8120, from PC_Plus, 788 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:36
Comment to 8084.
----------
Subject: CD-ROM Today
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Pearson BROWN 100332,3172 (X)

I'm afraid it's unrealistic to expect that every piece of software that
appears on our discs will be an exclusive. After all, not all of our
readers buy PC Format, or CD-ROM Today, and we (and the software
suppliers) want as wide a target audience as possible.

In any case, Authorware is only one of many products on our disc, so I
hope that the other software will be of more interest to you.

This duplication is actually not the result of joint efforts, it's come
about because we all want the very best software we can get. In the
case of Authorware, both PC Plus and CD-ROM Today use it to create the
CD menu program, so it was a natural choice.


Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8124, from PC_Plus, 180 chars, 26-Apr-94  15:51:46
Comment to 8042.
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Subject: PC Plus Subs. Offers
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Tony Farmer 100121,65 (X)

I'll pass this on to those who do the sums and report their
response....

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8132, from Phil_Naylor, 196 chars, 26-Apr-94  21:30:15
Comment to 8111.
----------
Subject: More on CD ROM subscipti
Fm: Phil Naylor (UK) 100117,3434
To: Andy Downs 100043,2677 (X)

That's a good idea - but I didn't know it was possible! Thanks Phil

!^NavFont01F0006MGHHG~E86E

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8146, from Philip_Handley, 148 chars, 27-Apr-94  13:03:26
Comment to 8119.
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Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Philip Handley 100020,3700
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

<Group Efforts>
Superb!
I think I work there :-)
Phil

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8147, from Philip_Handley, 432 chars, 27-Apr-94  13:07:23
Comment to 8120.
----------
Subject: CD-ROM Today
Fm: Philip Handley 100020,3700
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

 <After all, not all of our readers buy PC Format, or CD-ROM Today, and
we (and the software suppliers) want as wide a target audience as
possible>

You're looking at one here. I'm glad that I don't have to buy many
different magazines to be offered the widest selection of software; I'd
rather buy one or two and risk some duplication <g>
Rgds
Phil

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8156, from Richard_'Fozzy', 738 chars, 27-Apr-94  19:55:55
Comment to 8118.
----------
Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: Richard 'Fozzy' Foster 100041,1356
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

 >> My personal feeling is that CD-ROM will take over much sooner than
 >> everyone thinks...

I would agree with that.... Companies like Activision have recently
been surprised by the way the CD version outsells the equivalent floppy
version by something like three to one! That would seem to indicate
there is a market for such products. Certainly if you are in software
development (like myself) a CD-ROM drive is almost a necessity,
particularly as some software - for example the latest version of the
Microsoft C / C++ compiler - is *only* available on CD-ROM.

Richard Foster, Software Engineer, Peek Traffic Plc.

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8161, from Hugh_Wyn, 241 chars, 27-Apr-94  22:33:15
Comment to 8115.
----------
Subject: PagemakerClassic/PagePlu
Fm: Hugh Wyn Griffith UK 100112,2056
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

How about a few hints -- you've reported on PP3 alpha? in the same
issue <g>

Like do they both support letter spacing and kerning?

 Hugh



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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8170, from PC_Plus, 356 chars, 28-Apr-94  11:40:11
Comment to 8089.
----------
Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Steve Pritchard 100341,2464 (X)

The manual for our CD-ROM writer informs us that we can squeeze as much
as 710Mbytes on a 74 minute CD-ROM. It doesn't, however, offer
guarantees that all CD-ROM drives would be able to read all this info!
Martin Kelly, PC Plus CD-ROM Editor

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8186, from Pearson_BROWN, 1141 chars, 28-Apr-94  21:26:56
Comment to 8120.
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Subject: CD-ROM Today
Fm: Pearson BROWN 100332,3172
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

I accept everything you say. One of the main reasons why I'm now into
my 8th year of subscribing to PC Plus is because I have appreciated the
successive editors' continual effort to improve the magazine. The first
CD-Rom looks really interesting; much better than any I've received
from your competitors or from magazines here in France.

I also accept that, with 4 Future PC titles offering CD-Roms as from
next month, there is bound to be some duplication. However, what seems
strange to me is that Future should bring out a brand new title,
promoting it very largely on the strength of the accompanying CD-Rom
(and in particular on the basis that it contains Authorware), and then
offer the same software in other magazines a few weeks later. I think
that will stop people from trying out what was a very reasonable
magazine, give or take the odd columnist! <g>

I've really enjoyed using the demo of Authorware. Can we have a special
subscribers' offer on this with at least 3,900 off the list price?
<trying to keep a straight face>


Pearson Brown

   

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8196, from PC_Plus, 242 chars, 29-Apr-94  17:43:06
Comment to 8156.
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Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Richard 'Fozzy' Foster 100041,1356 (X)

Indeed. You'd have a jolly time installing Windows NT, for instance,
without a CD-ROM drive.

Dave Pearman (Editor, PC Plus)

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8204, from Richard_'Fozzy', 762 chars, 29-Apr-94  20:11:16
Comment to 8196.
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Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: Richard 'Fozzy' Foster 100041,1356
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

 >> ...installing Windows NT, [without a CD-ROM drive]

Ouch. What a horrible thought. Windows for Massochists! :-)

Mind you. There is one *major* problem with CD-ROM. It does seem to be
that software is getting extremely large for what it does, and I
suspect that is partially because people are no longer too bothered
about the size. If it's going to be over a couple of high density disks
anyway then publishing it on CD-ROM would be cheaper and easier for the
user to install. Still, I'm biased I admit. That's what writing
software for embedded systems does for you - you learn to appreciate
every byte and make sure you use it as well as possible.

Richard

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8211, from Jeff_Green, 191 chars, 30-Apr-94  02:12:10
Comment to 8170.
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Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Jeff Green 100025,3163
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

I saw  a message somewhere recently saying that the Panasonic 562/3
won't
Jeff

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8212, from Clive_Taylor, 594 chars, 30-Apr-94  09:32:30
Comment to 7994.
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Subject: Pansonic 562/3 problems
Fm: Clive Taylor 100012,1266
To: PC Plus 71333,1462 (X)

David,

The saga continues!

Creative Labs in the States say there is a firmware fix for this
'known' problem and that 'my local tech. support' will be able to
supply it. Unfortunately the UK haven't the foggiest of what I'm
talking about! Cann't you put pressure on these companies via your
publication to piull their socks up?

Incidentally the drivers supplied with Mitsumi fx001d's get the Lu00
series single speed reading CDR74's (much to my relief as that is what
I have at home!)

regards,
Clive

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8234, from PC_Plus, 255 chars, 03-May-94  14:50:42
Comment to 8211.
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Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: PC Plus 71333,1462
To: Jeff Green 100025,3163 (X)

Sort of true - not a problem with silver disks but it has problems with
the writable disks off the JVC if they're biggere than a certain size.

David Norfolk, Sysop

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8237, from Peter_Johnson, 426 chars, 03-May-94  21:19:55
Comment to 8051.
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Subject: Cover discs -v- CD's
Fm: Peter Johnson 100330,3031
To: PHILIP HAWKINS 100341,1747 (X)

Hello Philip
I wasn't impressed by the choice of books offered for subs renewal
either, so when I returned the form to renew I added a tongue in cheek
note saying that I would prefer a discount. And only paid 21.25 for
the 12 months!
Now I can't make my mind up about the CD ROM upgrade, not having a
drive (yet).
Regards
Peter

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pcpforum/S3_PC_PLUS_Feedback #8241, from Jeff_Green, 112 chars, 03-May-94  23:31:16
Comment to 8211.
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Subject: CD ROMs (& other things)
Fm: Jeff Green 100025,3163
To: Jeff Green 100025,3163 (X)

Oh, it was here. 

